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LoHud Yankees chat at noon tomorrow

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 14, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Even before last night’s trade went down, the original plan was to do a chat today. Sure, there’s nothing going on with the Yankees, but we might as well talk about it, right?

Unfortunately, I’m back in Scranton this morning.

My former managing editor — the man who hired me out of college a decade ago — died over the weekend. Larry Beaupre was a remarkable newspaper man who, oddly enough, once worked at my current newspaper as well. From the moment I met him in my early 20s, Larry pushed me to be ambitious in my coverage, in my writing and in my career. He loved the newspaper business, and our industry was lucky to have such a respected leader who believed so wholeheartedly in the print medium.

I was lucky to have such a boss, friend, and mentor. And for the past few days, I couldn’t help thinking about my old colleagues who walked into that Scranton newsroom knowing they wouldn’t see him again. Larry was a good man, an amazing teacher, and he’ll be missed.

But of course, Larry would tell me there’s a team to cover and stories to write, so I’ll be back in New York later today and I’ll be hosting a chat right here on the blog at noon tomorrow. Stop by if you can.

Don’t forget it. Chat. Noon. Tomorrow. Be there.

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273 Responses to “LoHud Yankees chat at noon tomorrow”

  1. DONNYBROOK November 14th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    For those of you suffering from Insomnia, I recommend any of these chats.

  2. luis November 14th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Chad,

    For what is worth….My sincere condolences…

  3. blake November 14th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Condolences Chad

  4. austinmac November 14th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Death is so darn final. My condolences, Chad.

  5. DONNYBROOK November 14th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    BIG difference between a Teacher and a Mentor. Right outta college, Mr Beaupre sounds like a Mentor.

  6. Hassey November 14th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    The only thing I ever got right on here:

    Hassey July 19th, 2012 at 9:58 am
    Skipper of the Year – Bob Melvin?

  7. mick November 14th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Sorry for your loss, Chad.

  8. Jerkface November 14th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    BIG difference between a Teacher and a Mentor.

    Not really, they are synonyms.

  9. DONNYBROOK November 14th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    And, there is Nothing “final” when it comes to death.

  10. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Sorry to hear about your friend Chad.

    My condolences.

  11. Mike Ri November 14th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Sorry for your loss Chad !

  12. Cashmoney November 14th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    chad. i will be posing question under the handle The Return of Cashmoney V aka Chad’s something. be sure to answer my questions in a prompt fashion!

  13. Mike Ri November 14th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    a little side-note

    According to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com, Mariners president Chuck Armstrong said that the club is “looking at” free agent outfielder Josh Hamilton.

  14. luis November 14th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    JF,

    If you are still around, very good article you wrote in IAATM. Kudos

  15. DONNYBROOK November 14th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    - JERKY -
    Boy, do you have much to learn in This area.

  16. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Seems like we’ve been having our own chat since last night.

    ;)

  17. Jerkface November 14th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Boy, do you have much to learn in This area.

    About the definitions of mentor & teacher? No, I think I got that. I’ll mentor you on it for a fee though. I can also teach you about not trolling a guy in a thread about the death of a beloved colleague.

  18. blake November 14th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    If Tex doesn’t care what he hits as long as he hits 30 and 100 then could he at least hit 30 and 100?

  19. Chip November 14th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Chad sorry for your loss.

  20. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    My condolences Chad

  21. tomingeorgia November 14th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    JF,
    If he was a teacher, you remember the lessons taught. If he was a mentor, you remember the lessons, but also the man. Sorry, Chad.

  22. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    blake November 14th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Even if Cano doesn’t get 200 million….it’ll be close

    ———————–

    Yea around 180 or 190

  23. luis November 14th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Blake,

    That Tex comment tells us how defensive and how much he cares about his performance. Since he can’t fix the problem he takes an aggressive stance. Very troubling

  24. Jerkface November 14th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    If he was a teacher, you remember the lessons taught. If he was a mentor, you remember the lessons, but also the man. Sorry, Chad.

    A mentor is a teacher. Chad used both to describe this man, and it is correct. I see no reason to troll him on something like this. “Uh excuse me sir, no actually the person you knew & I didn’t was a mailman not a postal delivery agent.”

  25. DONNYBROOK November 14th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    - Jerky -
    I sincerely hope someday you either have a Mentor, or become one. Then, you will realize the difference. Seriously.

  26. Jerkface November 14th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Donnybrook,

    You’re arguing about language which you can barely write. Stick to yokelisms

  27. Bo knows November 14th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    My take on the Big trade is that it is more marketing than substance. Yes if all the injuries come back healthy and if and if… then Toronto should be in the post season for one year. Just for kicks, how happy are the players, going from the Florida tax haven to Canadian taxes? Reyes on concrete for half the games? Not a match made in heaven.

    The whole transaction has a shelf life of one year.

  28. blake November 14th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Only at lohud can we argue about whether a teacher is the same thing as a mentor or not….can we get back to trashing Hal now please

  29. mick November 14th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Mr Tom

    You are one of the deepest of LoHud…

  30. tomingeorgia November 14th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    JF,
    Never mind.

    Chad, I know what you’ve lost, and I understand. But he lives still, through you and others he nurtured. You have a legacy from him that is irreplaceable.

  31. blake November 14th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    JF,

    The latest BA issue has a write up about Otani….they actually have him as more of a late 1st rounder and compared him to a ty Hemsley level prospect

  32. Jerkface November 14th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Did they use McCullers as a comp? Because on straight talent I don’t see how Otani is not a high first round pick. McCullers is similar, a HS kid who can throw 98-100 but he fell due to signability reasons. The other HS kid who threw 100 fell because of injury concerns. Otani has neither.

  33. luis November 14th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Bo Knows,

    Marketing? They got themselves an ace to an already very good rotation ( Josh Johnson ) a very good SS ( Reyes). Granted the concrete doesn’t bode well to his longevity, but they improved their lineup and rotation, that both were already very good, since if they haven’t suffered the amount of injuries they sustained this past season, i am pretty sure that they would have been in the mix for a PS spot. Now, they look like a contender. Barring any injuries of course.

  34. Chip November 14th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    blake November 14th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    If Tex doesn’t care what he hits as long as he hits 30 and 100 then could he at least hit 30 and 100?
    ———————

    I don’t think you can blame Tex for this attitude. The Yankees foster this; they’re happy with Curtis Granderson’s production, happy with Raul Ibanez’s production, happy with Russ Martin’s production – three low average guys who hit a lot of HRs.

  35. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Jays improved but I still have them behind the Yanks.

  36. DONNYBROOK November 14th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    You can trash me all you want. It will Not fill the void that warrants such.

  37. luis November 14th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Odds,

    Sorry to ask… Could you elaborate about having them behind the Yanks… Or is it an alternate Universe we are talking about? ;)

  38. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    My name is Brian Cashman and I collect Big, Hairy Monsters.

    I’m a big-game hunter.

    I don’t bother with the small stuff.

    ;)

  39. 98NYY November 14th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Let’s give Statin a new home

  40. blake November 14th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    “Did they use McCullers as a comp? Because on straight talent I don’t see how Otani is not a high first round pick”

    They say he would rank behind McCullers…..say he sits 92-96, can touch 98 but in a 5 man rotation starting that may settle more into the low 90s and that scouts are mixed in his secondary stuff….. Say he’s not as polished as Dice k and Darvish were at his age

  41. tomingeorgia November 14th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Mr. mick,
    When you get closer to eternity, such thoughts occur.

  42. blake November 14th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    I wish I could post it but it won’t let me

  43. spidanyc November 14th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Mason Williams, Gary Sanchez, Ivan Nova and Eduardo Nunez for Giancarlo Stanton. Does that get it done? Is it in the ballpark?

  44. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    luis November 14th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Odds,

    Sorry to ask… Could you elaborate about having them behind the Yanks… Or is it an alternate Universe we are talking about? ;)

    ——————————

    lol

    I’m saying even with the moves they aren’t on par with the Yankees imo.

  45. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    spidanyc says:
    November 14, 2012 at 11:59 am
    Mason Williams, Gary Sanchez, Ivan Nova and Eduardo Nunez for Giancarlo Stanton. Does that get it done? Is it in the ballpark?

    Hard to say….Id do that though

  46. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    spidanyc November 14th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Mason Williams, Gary Sanchez, Ivan Nova and Eduardo Nunez for Giancarlo Stanton. Does that get it done? Is it in the ballpark?

    ———————-

    No it doesn’t

  47. DONNYBROOK November 14th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    No way I trade those 4 guys for a 1 Trick Pony. NO WAY

  48. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    My name is Joe Girardi and I don’t want my big hairy monsters acting like they were jack rabbits.

    We are the Bronx Bombers. We hit taters.

    We swing for the fences at every opportunity.

    Screw the singles and doubles. Forget that smallball BS.

    It’s not who we are. It’s not in our DNA.

    We mash.

    Got it !

    ;)

  49. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    DONNYBROOK November 14th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    No way I trade those 4 guys for a 1 Trick Pony. NO WAY

    —————-

    That one trick pony is on of the best young hitters in the game

  50. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    DONNYBROOK says:
    November 14, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    No way I trade those 4 guys for a 1 Trick Pony. NO WAY

    Who is a one trick pony? Stanton hit .290 with a .969 OPS as a 22 year old last year

  51. DONNYBROOK November 14th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    The guy’s a Slugger, Not a hitter. His defense is subject to question, and thus far, he has already had injury problems. NIX

  52. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    The problem with Stanton is he’s stuck. He’s too far away from FA and unlike the NFL he can’t hold out

  53. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Blake-

    Forget all that.

    He has the coolest name imaginable.

    That’s enough reason to go all out to get him.

    ;)

  54. G. Love November 14th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    The Tex quotes are why I say the new Yankees are less accountable. Uncle Joe in the dugout protects them and coddles them so much they think just showing up and trying is enough. He probably gave out participation trophies after Detroit swept them.

    If he hits .200 next year with 30 & 100 is that helping the Yankees and doing your best to help the team in every at bat.

    The guy is pulling for the seats in every at bat and will go down as one of the most disappointing signings before it’s all said and done.

    His average ain’t going up with that approach. That’s for sure.

    And we only have to pay him 23 million a year and not be allowed to get better players because of his stupendous 30 & 100 that he couldn’t do this year but will blame on injury and fell all warm & fuzzy inside about.

    The guy plays great D and can hit lefties, but the majority of his game is lacking and he conned the Yankees into a horrible contract. Not as big of a con as Arod who was using PED’s, pretending to be the clean HR hero and got the mega deal only to get caught 10 seconds later.

    That’s what we’re paying for. 2 players who both cashed in and weren’t the caliber of talents the Yankees thought they were.

    I understand them being gunshy about signing guys after these two take up almost 60 million in payroll and give you 15 million worth of production.

  55. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    DONNYBROOK November 14th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    The guy’s a Slugger, Not a hitter. His defense is subject to question, and thus far, he has already had injury problems. NIX

    ————————

    He’s also only 22-23 yrs old. We’re taking about a kid not even in his prime yet.

  56. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    DONNYBROOK says:
    November 14, 2012 at 12:04 pm
    The guy’s a Slugger, Not a hitter. His defense is subject to question, and thus far, he has already had injury problems. NIX

    And 2 guys in A ball….a 25 year old back end starter and a 26 year old utility guy that can’t field are sure things?

  57. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    “He has the coolest name imaginable.”

    I know….I just want a player named Giancarlo

  58. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Torii to #Tigers. Two-year agreement, pending physical.

  59. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    G. Love-

    “so much they think just showing up and trying is enough. ”

    Sounds like a lot of America these days.

    1 + 1 = 3. Good try Johnny.

    :)

  60. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Castellanos is fairly expendable now….they have nowhere to play him and he’s pretty close to ready

  61. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    You want Stanton do this

    Hughes, Nunez, Drob, Phelps, and two kids on the farm.

  62. austinmac November 14th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    AAO,

    Which Yankee team are the Jays behind? The one with Kuroda, Pettitte, a decent catcher and a decent right fielder or the team they have now?

  63. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Blake-

    He’s gonna be our bartender on the Island.

    :)

  64. Bo knows November 14th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    This is the thing – Toronto has looked like a contender. They’ve sat on plus or minus 500 for a few years – good but not good enough. “So let’s get the fans excited, who knows it might even work, the opposition is as weak as we’ve seen. This is our best shot in the last ten years”.

    The ace has battled shoulder injuries and is signed for one year. Alvarez versus Beuhrle at best a push and most likely a downgrade. To my mind more buzz than substance. Reyes is not exactly a stable personality to lead a team.

  65. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    The first one I’m going on the premise those guys will be back but of course that’s not the case right now

  66. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    “You want Stanton do this

    Hughes, Nunez, Drob, Phelps, and two kids on the farm.”

    Depends on which two kids but that’s already a lot….,

  67. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Give it up.

    Stanton is not available.

    He’s a star and he’s cheap. Just what the Marlins love.

    Only caveat is that maybe he’s so pissed he demands a trade.

    Hope he becomes a malcontent. That might work.

    ;)

  68. DONNYBROOK November 14th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Well, 1st off, several of you around here continue to Undervalue Nunez. 2nd, I said I would Not give up those 4 players for Stanton. Sure, I’d love to have him, but that is WAY too much. Not only is Stanton a replica of The Tin Man in RF, but he K’s a Ton. We just watched this movie in Oct.

  69. Shame Spencer November 14th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Condolences Chad.

    BTW, this post was related to the MARLINS being referred to as being ‘under water’ not the Yankees, but I appreciate all of the responses anyway :D

    ” Shame Spencer November 14th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    I still don’t understand how the franchise is under water…. can anyone shed light for me?

    They got tax payer money to help build the stadium and just washed their hands of hundreds of millions of dollars worth of contracts.

    JF said they have less than $25 mil on the payroll for 2014!!

    What am I missing, because I’m sure there’s something.”

  70. pat November 14th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Ken_Rosenthal
    Torii to #Tigers. Two-year agreement, pending physical.

  71. luis November 14th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Odds, Blake,

    Trading so much talent for Stanton what would accomplish in the long term?The way I see it, we are more than one player away.

  72. bruceb November 14th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    This might have already been covered but Is there a chance the Blue Jays try to trade any of the players they are getting from the Marlins, notably Reyes? How can they afford to keep them all? I know Reyes has a scary contract but I’m sure someone would be interested in taking him.

  73. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Mason Williams, Gary Sanchez, Ivan Nova and Eduardo Nunez for Giancarlo Stanton. Does that get it done? Is it in the ballpark?

    ———————-

    In a trade with the Marlins that is robbery. Look at what they got back for three superstars. NOTHING

  74. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Shame-

    Forget that. Just get on the Island with the rest of us.

    We need you.

    :)

  75. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    “Trading so much talent for Stanton what would accomplish in the long term?The way I see it, we are more than one player away.”

    You can’t trade them all…..but one 22 year old star is worth 2 or 3 guys the same age in A ball

  76. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    “You want Stanton do this

    Hughes, Nunez, Drob, Phelps, and two kids on the farm.”

    Depends on which two kids but that’s already a lot….,

    ————————-

    Oh it is a lot but after the disaster they just pulled off they would have to save face somehow. Plus Stanton is cheap and young.

    Ok How about

    Phelps, Nova, Nunie, Mason, and Sanchez

  77. AAA November 14th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Castellanos is fairly expendable now….they have nowhere to play him and he’s pretty close to ready

    =========================

    He OBP’d .296 in half a season in AA. He’s not close to ready. Late 2014 is most likely. They’ll have plenty of room for him by then.

  78. Jerkface November 14th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Stanton is an average to above average defender.

  79. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    “In a trade with the Marlins that is robbery. Look at what they got back for three superstars. NOTHING”

    Stanton makes the league minimum though and is 22….that’s the big difference

  80. J. Alfred Prufrock November 14th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    G. Love November 14th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    I really thought it was wonderful to read in the papers this morning that Tex doesn’t care what he hits as long as he gets his 30HR and 100 RBI.

    Real franchise player. He really gets it.
    ///

    That’s sickening, but even more so is that this is viewed with thumbs up from the top down. Tex is simply using Cashman’s “hairy monster” philosophy to justify his suckiness. We can’t get rid of the symptom without curing the disease.

    ///
    Chad, in sympathy… and you’ll all see him again; immortality is terminal :D.

  81. G. Love November 14th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    The other gem from Tex in the papers this morning & I quote, “I don’t think anyone should complain about a $189 million payroll,” he said.

    This was right after discussing Tori Hunter to the Yankees who just signed with Detroit.

  82. Shame Spencer November 14th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    blake November 14th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    If Tex doesn’t care what he hits as long as he hits 30 and 100 then could he at least hit 30 and 100?

    ——————

    Just saw this.. Does anyone have his exact quote??

  83. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    When you can launch baseballs into interplanetary space being an avg. defender is just fine.

    :)

  84. Shame Spencer November 14th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    G. Love November 14th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    The other gem from Tex in the papers this morning & I quote, “I don’t think anyone should complain about a $189 million payroll,” he said.

    ————————–

    No, no one should complain about it GLove.. we are all supposed to be THANKFUL for the Yankees and their spending as if they are some non-profit!!!

  85. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    No way i give up 5 players for 1, even if that 1 is Stanton. Certainly not out two top prospects.

  86. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    “He OBP’d .296 in half a season in AA. He’s not close to ready. Late 2014 is most likely. They’ll have plenty of room for him by then.”

    Depends how he hits next year….maybe so but their lineup is pretty full ….

  87. luis November 14th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Bo knows November 14th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
    This is the thing – Toronto has looked like a contender. They’ve sat on plus or minus 500 for a few years – good but not good enough. “So let’s get the fans excited, who knows it might even work, the opposition is as weak as we’ve seen. This is our best shot in the last ten years”.

    The ace has battled shoulder injuries and is signed for one year. Alvarez versus Beuhrle at best a push and most likely a downgrade. To my mind more buzz than substance. Reyes is not exactly a stable personality to lead a team.

    =============================

    Good points…I do think they will try to extend Johnson…The leadership role I think is Bautista, so I don’t think Reyes will be asked to fill it. But the line of thought you wrote makes perfect sense. It is in deed the weakest this division has been in almost two decades. And I think it will stay this way for a couple of years

  88. Patrick November 14th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    I would give up any player to get Stanton, he’s a star. Yanks would probably have to trade their top 3-5 prospects. So probably Williams, Austin, Sanchez ++ .. even then I am not sure it’s a fair deal for the Marlins.

    Stanton is literally one of the most valuable commodities in MLB right now. He’s extremely young, isn’t even into his arbitration years so he’s making very little money and his talent is off the charts.

    There is a less than 1% chance the Yankees get Stanton but we can keep dreaming :)

  89. Jerkface November 14th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    13AAV for Hunter, too rich for 2014

  90. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    “Phelps, Nova, Nunie, Mason, and Sanchez”

    Tough one….

  91. jacksquat November 14th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    The Rangers could trump any Yankee offer for Stanton, and they aren’t the only ones.

  92. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    luis November 14th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Odds, Blake,

    Trading so much talent for Stanton what would accomplish in the long term?T

    ————————

    It would give the Yanks the young bat they need. Not saying I would do it because it would definitely be a blow.

    But if you did it and brought back the other starters it would be

    CC
    Hiro
    Andy
    Nova
    some combination of a short term free/kid from the farm, etc

  93. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Imagine Cano and Stanton together.

    :) :) :)

  94. Shame Spencer November 14th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    The more the Yankees shove down our throats this idea we should all just be happy they spend that much (forget that they’ve done very little of it wisely) is going to create a serious backlash… they are not some benevolent organization.. they aren’t saving babies.. they are a sports franchise that’s sole purpose is their bottom line.

    It’s why whenever people on this board try to tell me I need to just be THANKFUL for the Yankees I want to punch myself in the face.

    They are not spending $200+ million a year out of the goodness of their hearts!!!

    And it’s all well and good for Tex to say people should be happy with it when he’s eating up a giant chunk of our payroll.

  95. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Jerkface says:
    November 14, 2012 at 12:18 pm
    13AAV for Hunter, too rich for 2014

    They don’t care….they wanna win but that would have been bad for the Yankees and their budget

  96. Jerkface November 14th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    I’d 4 for 1 or 5 for 1 for Stanton, especially if 2 of the pieces were Nunez/Nova. Stanton is worth 100 of them.

  97. AAA November 14th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Hunter = 2 years $26M

    Seems a little pricey.

  98. pat November 14th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    RealCJ10
    Y’all remember that line drive from Bj Upton I took off the ankle this year? Be glad I left the bandage on!!! Yuck! pic.twitter.com/1REXSSDn

  99. DONNYBROOK November 14th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    You guys have run TEX up-and-down the flagpole so many times, he resembles that battered, tattered, flag Johnny Cash sang about. Give it a rest. Tino gets treated with respect, so should TEX.

  100. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    jacksquat says:
    November 14, 2012 at 12:19 pm
    The Rangers could trump any Yankee offer for Stanton, and they aren’t the only ones.

    Yup….if they put Stanton out there then everybody will be in

  101. Cashmoney November 14th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    the common denominator is money, stanton don’t make any. i trade 3 of my blue chipper for Stantion. luis, they are more than one player away, but you hardly ever get a talent like stanton, at 22, you are never remove from contributing for the future unless you have a 15 year plan.

    Stanton has no leverage and is affordable, the question is whether or not Yanks can match up in terms of talent.

  102. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    I’m w. JF and Patrick on this one.

    Count me in.

    Too bad it ain’t happening.

    :(

  103. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    No way i give up 5 players for 1, even if that 1 is Stanton. Certainly not out two top prospects.

    ———————-

    Many won’t. The problem is the Yankees don’t have the one guy close enough that just trumps everything else. Even the young players on the ML term don’t have that value so it’s a 4-1 or 5-1.

  104. Jerkface November 14th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    If the Yankees were to trade for Stanton they’d have to blow away Miami with the first offer. To avoid a dragged out process.

  105. Patrick November 14th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    pat,

    Holy crap. Did Chipper miss any time from that?

  106. pat November 14th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Torii at $13 AAV. Where does that put Swish?

  107. DONNYBROOK November 14th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Hunter basically got the QO. Now Swish goes way up from there. This is what makes J Upton’s AAV such a steal.

  108. luis November 14th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Primo!

    Good to have you around! Saw the Flores kid…He is good.

    ///

    Guys,

    I don’t want to rain on an already wet surface…But I think we should be worried about rebuilding the team instead of trying to figure out how to prolong the inevitable

  109. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    pat says:
    November 14, 2012 at 12:23 pm
    Torii at $13 AAV. Where does that put Swish?

    About that AAV for at least 3 years…..probably 4 or 5

  110. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Imagine Cano and Stanton together.

    :) :) :)

    ———————

    They would pick up the slack in the offense and with Stanton being so cheap you’re getting prime production at young age. Then resign Cano and within the next few yrs guys like Jeter will be gone, Alex could be traded, etc. But it’s not going to happen though.

  111. Shame Spencer November 14th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    pat November 14th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Torii at $13 AAV. Where does that put Swish?

    ———————

    More lol.

  112. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    The Tigers would pay a lot for Cano

  113. Shame Spencer November 14th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    The problem with obtaining cost controlled players is we would have to give them up in bunches…… and we can’t afford that either!!

  114. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Luis-

    That would be a bold move.

    But I do not see the Yankees doing it.

    They want to continue the highwire act.

    Thing is there is likely no net.

    ;)

  115. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    13AAV for Hunter, too rich for 2014
    _____

    Also too rich for Hunter.
    I dont see Swish getting more than 3/39.

  116. Shame Spencer November 14th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Team Greedy: Until the Yankees start saving babies I will not be thankful for anything they do.

  117. DONNYBROOK November 14th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    You guys and Stanton sound like the, “there’s gold in them thar hills” exclamation. See ya at the Lost Dutchman’s Mine.

  118. pat November 14th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Patrick
    I don’t know if he missed time but would guess that sight is more common that fans imagine.

  119. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    AAO-

    That combo is wowza !

    You’re right. Not happening.

  120. Cashmoney November 14th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    part of rebuilding plan is hope and pray you wind up with a guy like stanton. I am not saying dumping the collective future A squad on him, but you have to entertain the notion of trading 3 or 4 for a guy like stanton.

    Stanton is part of your rebuilding process, or can be is what i am saying.

  121. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    The Tigers would pay a lot for Cano
    ____

    They are getting up there in salary with Verlander, Fielder, Cabrera, VMart, Hunter and i think a couple other decent sized contracts.

  122. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Out West there IS gold in them thar hills.

    :)

  123. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Swish might get like 5/65

  124. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    But I think we should be worried about rebuilding the team instead of trying to figure out how to prolong the inevitable

    ———————-

    Maybe but as someone said the FO doesn’t want to appear to be non competitive even if it’s obvious. Making a Red Sox/Marlin with Curtis, Cano, Tex, and A-rod seems like a good thing but the backlash would be enormous. Fans had trouble dealing with the 08 season(although it wasn’t that bad for obvious reasons)

  125. brianlopez22 November 14th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Bottom Line, get ready to see us in last place.

    With Tex, Granderson, Arod, and whatever scrubby catcher we have… That’s 4 hitters that will vastly underproduce in a ML lineup, in one way or the other.

    Under K-Long:
    Granderson will surpass 200 Strikeouts
    Tex will hit under .225
    Arod, will guess and miss with the best of them
    Stewart/Whiteside will barely hit better than John Flaherty.

    That leaves
    Gardner, who couldn’t hit .290 one 250 of his best days
    Whoever is playing RF, some 45 year old former All-Star
    Jeter and cano, our only reliable offensive pieces.

    Now, reading most people’s comments, they want to trade Cano and get back more unreliable pieces like Upton or Castellanos and Keppinger? WOW!!!

    To our pitching staff:
    CC is a beast except when the ALCS comes around
    Nova, which Nova will we get?
    Hughes, I’m a fan of him when he challenges hitters, but very erratic

    Phelps? Hasn’t started 32 games in the Major Leagues
    41 year old Andy Pettitte? If he comes back
    Kuroda? Only if the Dodgers don’t get him

    How much confidence do we have in this group?

    Our bullpen is awesome and even without Soriano, DRob is ready to close and we have mo to close this year.
    Plus, there are many nice pieces to backfill bullpen spots.

    As G. Love said before,
    the Yankees decided to overpay for 2 players and are then holding our loyalty hostage.
    If Cashman and Kevin Long were gone, and we heard its time to rebuild? I’d be all in
    But we’re not hearing that.
    We are not hearing anything but 189mm

  126. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Swish is younger and more versatile than Hunter.

    He should get more in every way. Money and years.

  127. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Stanton is part of your rebuilding process, or can be is what i am saying.
    ___

    Until he hits arbitration and gets traded.
    Good luck EVER getting a FA to come to the marlins ever again.

  128. J. Alfred Prufrock November 14th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    luis November 14th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Primo!

    Good to have you around! Saw the Flores kid…He is good.

    ///

    Primo :D

    I love the kid in the box. In Reading during playoffs, he really showed some power to dead center. The question is how good a defender can he become, and can he play our LF. We’ll have him again in Trenton, I’m sure, and Heathcott to follow. Maybe Austin, with the Almonte Bros. bumped to AAA, I imagine.

  129. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    “They are getting up there in salary with Verlander, Fielder, Cabrera, VMart, Hunter and i think a couple other decent sized contracts.”

    I meant in prospects for a trade…..but they have some room under 189 still

  130. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    “We are not hearing anything but 189mm”

    And likely that is all you are going to continue to hear.

    ;)

  131. DONNYBROOK November 14th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    I’m guessin’ with Swish being a switch hitter, he gets $15 AAV deal. Very valuable having that dual stick in the lineup. Mgr’s dream.

  132. pat November 14th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Reading tweets from writers talking about what an asset and diference maker Hunter is to a team on and off the field. He must have lots of rings!

  133. Cashmoney November 14th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    ac1, i meant on the Yanks.

  134. luis November 14th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Cashmoney,

    I get your point…And you are right about him being a part of the rebuilding process…But I wouldn’t give up Sanchez…Maybe one of heathcott/ Williams…You figure out the rest of the package

  135. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    @PeteAbe: Hunter last season: .817 OPS, 16 homers, 92 RBIs. Cody Ross last season: .807 OPS, 22 homers, 81 RBIs. 5 years younger, too

  136. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    I meant in prospects for a trade…..but they have some room under 189 still
    ___

    True, but do they actually want to touch 189?
    The only reason that number is significant to us is because we are trying to get under it (which will be futile)….

  137. jacksquat November 14th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Swish will get at least 4/52.

  138. J. Alfred Prufrock November 14th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Gary Sanchez has been getting rave reviews from Patrick Teale over at PSP for his defense. When I saw him in Lakewood, he looked good behind the plate, but that was only a couple of games. Then the “worth ethic” stuff got some wind and the thing about him being afraid to call breaking balls…

  139. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Shame Spencer November 14th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    The problem with obtaining cost controlled players is we would have to give them up in bunches…… and we can’t afford that either!!

    ———————

    Which again goes back to the depth of the farm. Yes it has taken steps forward but the lack of depth bites them in the arse.

  140. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    “True, but do they actually want to touch 189?
    The only reason that number is significant to us is because we are trying to get under it (which will be futile)….”

    They may not care …their owner really wants a ring and they aren’t repeat offenders like the yanks are

  141. luis November 14th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    They want to continue the highwire act.

    Thing is there is likely no net.

    ========================

    MTU,

    Wise words!! :D

  142. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    i also think it is time to rebuild.
    I think if we knew it was truly a rebuild, we would get behind it.

  143. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    189 is the Magna carta, fountain of youth, shroud of turin, and the holy grail all rolled into one one neat little package for Hal’s fancy.

    :)

  144. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    “Gary Sanchez has been getting rave reviews from Patrick Teale over at PSP for his defense. When I saw him in Lakewood, he looked good behind the plate, but that was only a couple of games.”

    He will look good in a Cubs uniform

  145. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Bottom Line, get ready to see us in last place.

    ————————-

    I wouldn’t go that far.

  146. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    ac1 says:
    November 14, 2012 at 12:34 pm
    i also think it is time to rebuild.
    I think if we knew it was truly a rebuild, we would get behind it.

    I think a lot of fans would If the plan was sound…..

  147. RadioKev November 14th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    I think the Torii Hunter signing is an overpay, but it is another example that the Yankees won’t budge on the budget.

  148. Benny Blanco November 14th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Yanks should have went after hunter.. Damn shame!

  149. jacksquat November 14th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Torii can also be Austin Jackson’s mentor/teacher for two years.

  150. Shame Spencer November 14th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    They are getting up there in salary with Verlander, Fielder, Cabrera, VMart, Hunter and i think a couple other decent sized contracts.

    ————–

    Yeah but only the Yankees are repeat offenders with the luxury tax thing so other teams can go over whatever limits have been set and not be hurt as badly. They could have incentive to just go all in.

  151. Chip November 14th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Second time I’ve wanted Hunter and second time he’s gotten away. Though $13m/year is a bit high for him.

  152. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    we would get behind it.

    ———————

    So would but not many. There are fans that want to move Cano for spects but a majority of ppl either want him re-signed or moved for another star.

    Remember sections of the fan base got their nose out of joint when they put three kids in the rotation. I didn’t mind that season because there were bright spots.

  153. AAA November 14th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Torii at $13 AAV. Where does that put Swish?

    ========================

    In the same neighborhood.

  154. Chip November 14th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    jacksquat November 14th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Torii can also be Austin Jackson’s mentor/teacher for two years.
    —————–

    Agreed – he brings a level of maturity and professionalism to the team that they need.

  155. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    jacksquat says:
    November 14, 2012 at 12:35 pm
    Torii can also be Austin Jackson’s mentor/teacher for two years.

    Tori would have been a good fit with the Yanks but when he wanted two years the Yanks just couldn’t give 13 million AAV that 2nd year with their budget …..

  156. Jerkface November 14th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Hunter would have been a decent stop gap on a Yankee team under normal budget rules. They could have let Swisher walk & only deal with Hunter for 2 years while their OFers mature in the minors.

    But Hunter @ 13AAV is way too rich for a Yankee team trying to compete under budget. :(

    This sucks. Swisher is going to get 5 years easy.

  157. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    I think a lot of fans would If the plan was sound…..

    ———————

    Fans have problem with the mini rebuild they started yrs ago

  158. luis November 14th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
    But I think we should be worried about rebuilding the team instead of trying to figure out how to prolong the inevitable

    ———————-

    Maybe but as someone said the FO doesn’t want to appear to be non competitive even if it’s obvious. Making a Red Sox/Marlin with Curtis, Cano, Tex, and A-rod seems like a good thing but the backlash would be enormous. Fans had trouble dealing with the 08 season(although it wasn’t that bad for obvious reasons)

    ================================

    Yup….I do understand this conundrum…But if they don’t start to act on it, we are bound to have a lost decade, maybe more… We as fans should start to show some patience…They on the other hand should lower tix prices if they choose to go the rebuilding route

  159. brianlopez22 November 14th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    ” think if we knew it was truly a rebuild, we would get behind it.

    You would have to fire Cashman and Kevin Long.
    Because they both Love and Swear by the hairy monster mantra.

  160. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Bottom Line, get ready to see us in last place.
    ____

    Seriously doubt this….
    Lets not anoint the Jays just yet.
    The Rays havent gotten any better
    The Orioles played WAY above their skills last year
    Boston is in the toilet.

  161. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    “In the same neighborhood.”

    I think the AAV will be close but he will get at least 3 years…..might get 5 from somebody

  162. J. Alfred Prufrock November 14th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    “Gary Sanchez has been getting rave reviews from Patrick Teale over at PSP for his defense. When I saw him in Lakewood, he looked good behind the plate, but that was only a couple of games.”

    He will look good in a Cubs uniform
    ///

    For Matt Garza? That happens, I’m done.

  163. AAA November 14th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Under K-Long:
    Granderson will surpass 200 Strikeouts

    ============================

    Remember when Long “fixed” Granderson?

    Good times.

  164. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    We dont need Hunter… We are going to resign Ibanez (rolls eyes)

  165. Patrick November 14th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Definitely glad Hunter went somewhere else. He’s a good player but there’s no way he reproduces his numbers from last year. The Tigers are paying him to be that guy and he’s just not going to be. $13 mil per year is too much

  166. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    5/65 for Swish…Lots of teams could use him

  167. AAA November 14th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    I think the AAV will be close but he will get at least 3 years…..might get 5 from somebody

    ==================================

    Agreed. Bet someone goes 4 anyway.

  168. Chip November 14th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    I said it on the last thread and I’ll say it now – Yankees should sign Giambi.

    Let him be a cheap option of the bench/DH. He’ll give you just as many HRs as Ibanez and do so with a much better OBP. Neither one of them should play in the field.

  169. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Who is pedalling forward and who backwards ?

    Which teams teams are which in the AL East ?

    I’m confused.

    :(

  170. AAA November 14th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    The Tigers are paying him to be that guy

    ========================

    Probably happy to pay him NOT to be Delmon Young.

  171. mick November 14th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    No way they are going to pay Cano….

  172. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    “For Matt Garza? That happens, I’m done.”

    If Kuroda leaves don’t be surprised…..I worry what they’ll do if that happens

  173. J. Alfred Prufrock November 14th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    brianlopez22 November 14th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    ” think if we knew it was truly a rebuild, we would get behind it.

    You would have to fire Cashman and Kevin Long.
    Because they both Love and Swear by the hairy monster mantra.
    ///

    Take the manager with those two. His rhapsodies to Russell Martin are as purple as Cashman’s.

  174. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    They should lower prices but we all know that won’t happen :(

  175. luis November 14th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock November 14th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    luis November 14th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Primo!

    Good to have you around! Saw the Flores kid…He is good.

    ///

    Primo

    I love the kid in the box. In Reading during playoffs, he really showed some power to dead center. The question is how good a defender can he become, and can he play our LF. We’ll have him again in Trenton, I’m sure, and Heathcott to follow. Maybe Austin, with the Almonte Bros. bumped to AAA, I imagine.

    =======================

    I saw him twice ( On tv once and at the stadium another ). His has a very good and compact swing… He has great pitch recognition for his age and level…And he has some pop in there as well…As for his fielding, what I saw was very good…He has some weird routes to the ball from time to time, but he is so fast that he can compensate until he learns…Learning LF is not hard if you have the tools.

  176. G. Love November 14th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    The fact is the Yankees, at the prices they charge fans, cannot do a full rebuild.

    It may fly with fans who watch them solely on YES, but it won’t fly with fans with season tickets or fans who go to multiple games a year.

    If the Yankees want to strip mine & rebuild, the first thing they should do is admit that and slash ticket prices drastically telling fans that when the team is competitive again the prices will rise accordingly but for the time being our goal is to get out of salary prison and find the next new core.

    I was there the last time they tried that and while we stunk for awhile it was fun having the stadium all to myself. Plus when I yelled advice to Stump Merrill, he could actually hear me and consider it. Those were the days.

  177. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    if they aren’t going to pay cano they need to trade him.
    he is the one you can get a major return on.

  178. mick November 14th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    If they end their StubHub deal, there will be no one at the Stadium….

  179. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    @MLBazFallLeague: Slade Heathcott (#Yankees) was 4-for-5 with 1 home run, 2 RBI and 1 run scored in the Scorpions win yesterday.#AFL12

  180. J. Alfred Prufrock November 14th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    “For Matt Garza? That happens, I’m done.”

    If Kuroda leaves don’t be surprised…..I worry what they’ll do if that happens
    ///

    Yea, I’m past worry I guess. They are so bumbling, if they do something smart it’ll be a happy little surprise from out of the blue. I have dialed back expectation until this regime and/or ownership is past.

  181. RadioKev November 14th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    “Remember when Long “fixed” Granderson?

    Good times.”

    They were good times. Kevin Long practically invented an MVP candidate. Glad we can still manage to be snarky about it!

  182. brianlopez22 November 14th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    “Lets not anoint the Jays just yet.
    The Rays havent gotten any better
    The Orioles played WAY above their skills last year
    Boston is in the toilet.

    Here’s the flaw with this argument.

    The all have a plan and a vision and can financilaly execute their vision.

    If I were the Rays, I would deal Hellickson for Stanton, right now. Straight up.
    Then look a team will to take Wade Davis or Niemann for a young, quality LF.

    The O’s have money to spend and a better farm than we do.
    Plus, they have yound, athletic guys on their roster. They are only going to get better.

    The Jays have vastly improved their team, even if only for this year.

    The Sux were able to shed payroll and can now build their team however they want. Plus, the other MLB GMs love their scrubby prospects, they’ll give away players and get stars in return.

    The Yanks farm doesn’t have the respect of most teams.
    We have kids who have’t seen AA yet flooding the top of our rankings.
    No one will touch any of our minor league pitchers because they all get hurt or have gotten hurt.

    Just saying, its looking like we’re on the wrong side of the trend here.

  183. J. Alfred Prufrock November 14th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    @MLBazFallLeague: Slade Heathcott (#Yankees) was 4-for-5 with 1 home run, 2 RBI and 1 run scored in the Scorpions win yesterday.#AFL12
    ///

    I just hope I get to see the kid every day in Trenton before he gets used as bait. I’ve set my sights very low….

  184. Patrick November 14th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Chip, I think the Giambino is done. 1 HR last year and hit .225/.372/.303

    Tiny sample (only 113 PA) but in 2011 he only had 152 PA’s and hit .260/.355/.603 with 13 HR. I just think he’s done at this point ..

  185. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    “They were good times. Kevin Long practically an MVP candidate. Glad we can still manage to be snarky about it!”

    Or he just had a career year…..

  186. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    if they aren’t going to pay cano they need to trade him.
    he is the one you can get a major return on.

    ———————–

    They would get a return but it won’t be major since he’s so close to FA. I can’t see them moving him at the deadline basically telling the fan base we’re moving forward

  187. jacksquat November 14th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Chip November 14th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
    I said it on the last thread and I’ll say it now – Yankees should sign Giambi.

    Let him be a cheap option of the bench/DH. He’ll give you just as many HRs as Ibanez and do so with a much better OBP. Neither one of them should play in the field.

    The Giambino hit 1 HR in 113 PA last year, in Colorado. I think he is done.

  188. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Blake-

    That’s yesterday’s news.

    :)

  189. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    I just wanted to emphasize how Slade has been tearing up the AFL

  190. spidanyc November 14th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Who has more trade value, Justin Upton or Giancarlo Stanton? Who would be the better fit for the Yankees?

  191. Benny Blanco November 14th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    I agree that Hunter may not hit 313 again this year but I will take 275-280, 20-25 homeruns with 90 RBIs and better defense than swisher. Lets not act like hunter would have came here and batted 240.

  192. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    One thing that trade did was stimulate a crapload of discussion about the Yankees future, or lack thereof.

    ;)

  193. Jerkface November 14th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Who has more trade value, Justin Upton or Giancarlo Stanton? Who would be the better fit for the Yankees?

    Stanton by a landslide. Both would be good. Stanton better if only because he is under control longer & is coming off a better year.

  194. Patrick November 14th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Who has more trade value, Justin Upton or Giancarlo Stanton? Who would be the better fit for the Yankees?

    Stanton has more trade value by a long shot. They would both be good fits but I’d pick Stanton given the choice.

    Neither will be on the Yankees next year :(

  195. MTU November 14th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Stanton w/o a doubt.

    But he’s not available and JU is.

    ;)

  196. RadioKev November 14th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
    “They were good times. Kevin Long practically an MVP candidate. Glad we can still manage to be snarky about it!”

    Or he just had a career year…..
    ———-

    And that had nothing to do with Kevin Long?

    Man, this pity party is getting into some weird revisionary history territory.

  197. mick November 14th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Yanks will play Grandy in LF, Gardy in CF and Ichiro in RF.
    We don’t need Hunter.

  198. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    mick November 14th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    No way they are going to pay Cano….

    ——————-

    Sure they wouldn’t pay him

    10 for 230 but would they do 8 for 180 or 7 170 sure I don’t see why not.

  199. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    K-Long helped Granderson gain power.
    What else exactly has he done?
    Made it acceptable to hit .230 as long as you connect with one from time to time?

    Who on our team has vastly improved their offense under Long?

    Time to get a hitting coach that cares about hitting for average and not sitting around waiting for the 6 run homeruns.

  200. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 14th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Now we’ll see how serious the Yankees are about competing in 2013.

    Unless they can identify some ways to vastly improve their OF and fill out their rotation without spending a lot of $, they might as well do nothing more this offseason, promote guys from AAA (Mesa, Dickerson) and just live with the fact that they are very likely to miss out on the playoffs this year.

    Toronto’s trade does nothing for me in terms of any lock for them to win, but a lot of teams are doing what is necessary to improve for 2013.

    With NY cutting payroll, I just don’t see that bearing fruits in the short-term.

    Its going to be really fun seeing them go poo-poo on Jeter next offseason when they ask him to take a significant pay cut cuz he can’t play SS anymore.

  201. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Stanton is also 3 years younger…..Upton is cheap relative to his talent but he still makes 15 million in 2014 and 2015…..Stanton makes the league min in 2013

  202. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    10 for 230 but would they do 8 for 180 or 7 170 sure I don’t see why not.
    ___

    Because Boras made it clear he is looking for AROD and Pujols money.

  203. brianlopez22 November 14th, 2012 at 12:50 pm


    And that had nothing to do with Kevin Long?

    Man, this pity party is getting into some weird revisionary history territory.

    We are not revising history but ARod was once a perennial MVP.
    Kevin Long’s teachings of a strikout just being another out, showed their true colors in the playoffs.

    Do you remeber that embarrassment?

  204. J. Alfred Prufrock November 14th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    I saw him twice ( On tv once and at the stadium another ). His has a very good and compact swing… He has great pitch recognition for his age and level…And he has some pop in there as well…As for his fielding, what I saw was very good…He has some weird routes to the ball from time to time, but he is so fast that he can compensate until he learns…Learning LF is not hard if you have the tools.
    ///

    luis, I think his fielding has improved since my brief glimpse in Lakewood two years ago, but I need to see him over a larger SS. Yeah, he’s a very mature AB. I’ve yet to see him swing at a first pitch, but he’s great at driving the ones he likes. A nice combination of patience and aggressiveness.

  205. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    “And that had nothing to do with Kevin Long?

    Man, this pity party is getting into some weird revisionary history territory.”

    It may have…..it hasn’t really lasted though

  206. mick November 14th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    10 for 230 but would they do 8 for 180 or 7 170 sure I don’t see why not.
    ================================
    Hal does.

  207. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    spidanyc November 14th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Who has more trade value, Justin Upton or Giancarlo Stanton? Who would be the better fit for the Yankees?

    ———————-

    Stanton on both questions.

    With Stanton you’re getting a young one man wrecking crew. Now pair that with Cano and you have something to build on.

  208. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    mick November 14th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    10 for 230 but would they do 8 for 180 or 7 170 sure I don’t see why not.
    ================================
    Hal does.

    ——————-

    Hal also signed Tex and Sori.

  209. mick November 14th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    Now we’ll see how serious the Yankees are about competing in 2013.
    =================================
    Why won’t we compete next year?

  210. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Sorry but a guy hitting .230, even if he is hitting 40 homeruns is NOT my idea of a long term success story…..

    And if that is his only claim to fame, time to move on…

  211. brianlopez22 November 14th, 2012 at 12:53 pm


    Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
    mick November 14th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    10 for 230 but would they do 8 for 180 or 7 170 sure I don’t see why not.
    ================================
    Hal does.

    ——————-

    Hal also signed Tex and Sori.

    And he and his brother negotiated against themselves for ARod.

  212. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    10 for 230 but would they do 8 for 180 or 7 170 sure I don’t see why not.
    ___

    Because Boras made it clear he is looking for AROD and Pujols money.

    ————————-

    So was Tex he was looking for something over the 200 million dollar range but settled on 8 for 180.

  213. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    brianlopez22 November 14th, 2012 at 12:53 pm


    Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
    mick November 14th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    10 for 230 but would they do 8 for 180 or 7 170 sure I don’t see why not.
    ================================
    Hal does.

    ——————-

    Hal also signed Tex and Sori.

    And he and his brother negotiated against themselves for ARod.

    ————-

    They did can’t argue that

  214. brianlopez22 November 14th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    ac1,
    Sorry but a guy hitting .230, even if he is hitting 40 homeruns is NOT my idea of a long term success story…..

    And if that is his only claim to fame, time to move on…

    —————————

    Completely agree.
    Cashman severely lost that Austin Jackson, Phil Coke, Ian Kennedy deal

  215. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Granderson had another really good year in Detroit a few years back before Kevin Long did anything for him……it could be that he just got in a groove (that Long helped with) and had a career year in 2011 and then he regressed more back to what he really is in 2012 rather than Long transforming him into a new player like it originally seemed

  216. spidanyc November 14th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    But isn’t Upton a much better defensive OF? Stanton is a big dude who will probably be a DH sooner rather than later.

  217. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Tex wasnt offered more than 170 from anyone and we went to 180.
    Cano will get an offer over 200M.

  218. RadioKev November 14th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    C’mon dude. A-Rod credited his 07 MVP award to working with Long. I also don’t think Kevin Long control’s A-Rod’s health or the progression of time

    That’s just a silly comment.

  219. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    November 14, 2012 at 12:54 pm
    But isn’t Upton a much better defensive OF? Stanton is a big dude who will probably be a DH sooner rather than later.

    Stanton won’t have to be a DH for years unless he has injuries

  220. Jerkface November 14th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Stanton is an average to above average defender with a good strong throwing arm. Perfect RFer. He is 22, he isn’t going to be DHing for 10+ years.

    Upton is an above average to excellent defender.

  221. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Cashman severely lost that Austin Jackson, Phil Coke, Ian Kennedy deal
    ___

    In the long term yes.
    Short term i dont know.
    No way to know Kennedy would become an ace, even though its the big parks of the NL West.
    Coke was ok
    Jackson had a really bad first year in Detroit.

  222. Patrick November 14th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    But isn’t Upton a much better defensive OF? Stanton is a big dude who will probably be a DH sooner rather than later.

    As Jerkface already posted, Stanton is an average to above average defender …

  223. Patrick November 14th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Oops didn’t see your post JF, sorry if it seems like I am parroting what you say…

  224. mick November 14th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Hal also signed Tex and Sori.
    ==================
    Way before the new CBA was born.
    Those days are over, free spending is a thing of the past.
    Maybe in 2017…

  225. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    C’mon dude. A-Rod credited his 07 MVP award to working with Long. I also don’t think Kevin Long control’s A-Rod’s health or the progression of time

    That’s just a silly comment.
    ______

    It is possible he was just saying that you know. You have cherry picked an MVP candidate and 1 year of granderson for long’s success? Individual across the board numbers are down on this team, except homeruns. Would love an approach that focused on average and production that doesnt wait for a homerun…

  226. brianlopez22 November 14th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    So who is to blame for treating a strikeout as any other out?
    That is a philosophy for the big, hairy monster.

    ARod has always been a guess hitter.
    Kevin Long is preaching, even more, that he should guess and swing from his heels.

    baseball is not a video game or a fantasy sport.
    Outs can be productive.
    getting guys on base and moving them over is how you build championship teams.
    Ask the last 3 WS champions.
    Even in ’09, we had guys like Melky, that could get base hits, rather than waiting for the 8 run home run.

    Its time for him to go.

  227. blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Upton has more overall tools than Stanton….better defender….can steal based…and probably has more upside with regards to BA…..but Stanton is younger , cheaper, and has as much raw power as anybody maybe ever

  228. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Tex wasnt offered more than 170 from anyone and we went to 180.
    ———————

    That’s what he was offered but that’s not what he was seeking originally.

  229. blake November 14th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    I’m waiting for the report that the Yankees don’t think Stanton is a good fit in NY

  230. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    That’s what he was offered but that’s not what he was seeking originally.
    ___

    The point is Cano WILL get a 200M offer from someone. If he doesn’t then yes this applies, but the Dodgers are spending now, the Tigers are too. This isnt the old days where the Yankees and the Sox spent all the money.

  231. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    That’s what he was offered but that’s not what he was seeking originally.
    ___

    The point is Cano WILL get a 200M offer from someone. If he doesn’t then yes this applies, but the Dodgers are spending now, the Tigers are too. This isnt the old days where the Yankees and the Sox spent all the money.

    ——————————-

    Obviously these aren’t the old days.

  232. Patrick November 14th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    I’m waiting for the report that the Yankees don’t think Stanton is a good fit in NY

    I don’t think that report will ever come .. he’s a great fit on every team. But I also highly doubt the Marlins will trade him. Why would they?

  233. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    This Marlins trade essentially keeps AROD in NY for the next 5 years.

  234. blake November 14th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    “I don’t think that report will ever come .. he’s a great fit on every team”

    Everybody under 35 they think is a bad fit

  235. blake November 14th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    “This Marlins trade essentially keeps AROD in NY for the next 5 years.”

    The Dodgers were always the best hope to move Arod IMO

  236. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Im still very curious about this Jays deal. Can they even afford 150M in payroll or are they about to turn some of these guys for prospects?

  237. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    This Marlins trade essentially keeps AROD in NY for the next 5 years.

    —————–

    True any idea of him going there is gone. I always though it was unlikely but forget about it now.

  238. Jerkface November 14th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Tex got an offer near 200 or more from the nats, but he took the 180 and no trade clause from ny

  239. RadioKev November 14th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    blake November 14th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
    Granderson had another really good year in Detroit a few years back before Kevin Long did anything for him……it could be that he just got in a groove (that Long helped with) and had a career year in 2011 and then he regressed more back to what he really is in 2012 rather than Long transforming him into a new player like it originally seemed
    ————-

    Granderson was totally out of whack by season’s end, so he did regress, but it’s not some sort of statistical coming back towards the mean. He clearly couldn’t identify pitches. Kevin Long immediately turned Granderson around in August 2010. There’s no point trying to bring that into question.

    I don’t think that validates Kevin Long as a hitting coach, I’m not saying that. I just don’t see the need to be snarky about a great success of his.

    Didn’t batting average drop across the league? This isn’t just a trend with the Yankees.

    I also fail to see how Kevin Long is the problem. There’s really only one guy performing far worse than expected, Mark Teixeira. Long hasn’t helped him, and that is a failure. But is it fair to blame our struggles on Long? If it is the case, why don’t we credit Long with Cano’s success?

  240. Patrick November 14th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Everybody under 35 they think is a bad fit

    Oh relax ..

  241. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Forgot the Nats and O’s offered Tex 200M.
    Curious if Cano would turn down the same offer from the Dodgers or Nats.
    I dont see him turning it down.

  242. jacksquat November 14th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Slade Heathcott: .371/.487/.597

    David Adams: .291/.378/.519

    Austin Romine: .230/.333/.295

  243. blake November 14th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    “I don’t think that validates Kevin Long as a hitting coach, I’m not saying that. I just don’t see the need to be snarky about a great success of his.”

    I’m not being snarky

  244. blake November 14th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    “Oh relax ..”

    It’s a joke man….I am relaxed

  245. RadioKev November 14th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    “It is possible he was just saying that you know. You have cherry picked an MVP candidate and 1 year of granderson for long’s success? Individual across the board numbers are down on this team, except homeruns. Would love an approach that focused on average and production that doesnt wait for a homerun…”

    ac1,

    I didn’t cherry pick to defend Long. I just responded to a snarky comment about “the good times” with Granderson/Long. It was an overwhelming success and we have direct evidence of it.

    It’s not as easily proven that Long’s approach is hurting the Yankees. There are other factors, like the type of hitters these guys are (the type of hitters that the organization brings in), and age.

  246. blake November 14th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    ac1 says:
    November 14, 2012 at 1:05 pm
    Im still very curious about this Jays deal. Can they even afford 150M in payroll or are they about to turn some of these guys for prospects?

    They can definitely afford it…. Their ownership group is loaded

  247. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    I dont see him turning it down.

    ———————

    He might not especially since those teams are loaded with talent.

  248. RadioKev November 14th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Wasn’t referring to you Blake, sorry if that was unclear

  249. jacksquat November 14th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Heck, just put Heathcott in RF.

  250. Patrick November 14th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    It’s a joke man….I am relaxed

    —-

    I know it’s a joke that’s why I didn’t write a serious response .. Intonation/tone is so hard to translate over text.. /sigh

  251. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    It’s not as easily proven that Long’s approach is hurting the Yankees. There are other factors, like the type of hitters these guys are (the type of hitters that the organization brings in), and age.
    ___

    Tex was a 300 hitter.
    Martin was NOT a .200 hitter in LA.
    Jeter turned down Long’s advice last year and look at him now.
    Gardner and Ichiro should be bunting the hell out of the ball.
    Tex should be learning to go around the shift.
    It isnt all about age.
    Hunter is 37? Look at his numbers last year.

  252. luis November 14th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    They should have given a longer term contract to Cano when he was extended. Not saying that what they negotiated was bad, quite the contrary, it was good. But giving a ten year contract to a 30′s guy makes little sense, while giving it to a mid 20′s guy makes all the sense in the world. You secure his prime years, plus the decline part of the contract is very short.I think Jeter lived up to his ten year contract with maybe one down year…In Arod’s case he gave one good season,the rest well…. same thing with Tex. it’s a pity that they didn’t do it.

  253. RadioKev November 14th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Correlation does not equal causation.

    Tex is a problem, and Long should be helping him better. I don’t think we can say Long’s approach has ruined Tex.

    Martin is right around what he was doing with LAD at the end of his tenure. OPS around the same.

  254. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    And about Nunez, why the heck would they ship him back to AAA and stick him at SS then say there is no future for him on this team? If that was the case, he should have been learning to play 3B, since it makes way more sense to move AROD to full time DH anyway. Instead they move Adams to 3B and will probably let him rot in AA too.

  255. ac1 November 14th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Correlation does not equal causation.

    Tex is a problem, and Long should be helping him better. I don’t think we can say Long’s approach has ruined Tex.

    Martin is right around what he was doing with LAD at the end of his tenure. OPS around the same.
    ___

    In other words, Long has not made anyone BETTER.
    Really miss the days were we had 5 hitters hitting over .300 in our lineup and didnt sit back waiting for homeruns. Hits and advancing runners was the most important thing.

  256. luis November 14th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Yankees Nursing home for vets about to retire….No players under 35 allowed… ;)

  257. Chip November 14th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Patrick November 14th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Chip, I think the Giambino is done. 1 HR last year and hit .225/.372/.303

    Tiny sample (only 113 PA) but in 2011 he only had 152 PA’s and hit .260/.355/.603 with 13 HR. I just think he’s done at this point ..
    ——————————–

    It’s possible, but I think that on a 1 year $1M deal he could come in, show if he has something left, and if not, nothing lost really – he might be willing to accept that sort of deal if he thinks that there might be a place for him within the organization as an instructor going forward.

  258. Chip November 14th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    By the way – you can’t overstate the improvement in maturity that the Tigers get going from Delmon Young to Hunter.

  259. blake November 14th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    Chip says:
    November 14, 2012 at 1:32 pm
    By the way – you can’t overstate the improvement in maturity that the Tigers get going from Delmon Young to Hunter.

    I doubt Hunter will be as good as Young at being terrible all year then killing the Yankees in the playoffs

  260. luis November 14th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Chip,

    Are you proposing Giambi instead of Ibanez right?

  261. Chip November 14th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    luis November 14th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Chip,

    Are you proposing Giambi instead of Ibanez right?
    —————–

    Correct.

    I would NOT be happy with the proposed notion of signing Ibanez to be the RF’er.

  262. blake November 14th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    @eboland11: With the Marlins selling off parts, source says Yankees, not surprisingly, have an interest in Nolasco, who has 1 yr $11.5 mil left on deal

  263. luis November 14th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    In that case…You would platoon him at the DH spot i guess…Where do you put Arod? at third full time?… Also Ichiro would youRf i guess as well right?

  264. Against All Odds November 14th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Well at least that’s something. I’m guessing it’s a back up plan if Hiro leaves

  265. luis November 14th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Another pitcher….Wonder what will it cost in terms of prospects

  266. UnKnown November 14th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    No way Hunter hurts us as bad as Young has in October. With that said it’s unfortunate that this is clearly an upgrade for a Tiger team that just got better then the team that swept us out of the playoffs last year.

    And actually ended our season 2 years in a row.

    So… Hopefully we can work on getting better as well, in case our paths were to meet again October 2013.

  267. DONNYBROOK November 14th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Ibanez clearly showed he will wear down. I do Not see the Yanks platooning him in RF. DH, cameo appearances in the OF, and PH. That will maximize his offensive contribution over 162. I continue to stress getting Sizemore as a 4th OF’er and see how he holds up. He could progress to a full-timer.

  268. jacksquat November 14th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Nolasco, what the hell for?

  269. blake November 14th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Cause pitching holds the keys …,and also because they are screwed if Kuroda leaves

  270. RadioKev November 14th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Haha. Nolasco. I guess that’s not surprising.

  271. SoS November 14th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    What is up fellas!

    I want to talk glass half full. Can the Toronto trade actually help us? Stay with me here.
    1. Marlin fans are probably beyond pissed. Could the Marlins grab Alex with the money they just freed up and put some water into that fire?
    2. Could this move make Cashman and co. $hit or get off the pot? Meaning they know Jays have improved and will either make big splashes by trade or trade some of our guys about to reach free agency and try to reload. Conceding the 2013 season. Maybe find a taker for All or Nothing Tex as well as Grandy?

    Guys I would look to trade even if you have to eat some salary.
    Alex
    Tex
    Guys I would look to get good young talent back.
    Grandy
    Cano
    Hughes
    Phelps
    Nova

    I am willing to bite the bullet for a year or two if they can show me that there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Give me young blood to watch suck rather than old retread suck.

    This has to be the worst and deadest Yankee Nov offseason ever. Whos with me? I feel like we morphed into the Royals.

  272. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 14th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Wow, if Hunter got $13M/year, Hamilton should get like $30M

  273. austinmac November 14th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Swisher may end up with 3 yrs. for $40 M.

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