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Cone: “Yankees are “not in the game” for free agents

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 15, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Earlier today, David Cone and Joe Girardi helped assemble USO packages at Yankee Stadium, and I’m guessing Cone spoke for many of you when he said this:

“Free agents do not need to apply (with the Yankees), as far as right now. … It’s shaking up the free-agent market, that’s for sure — not just this year, but a couple of years; probably since ’09 or ’08. A lot of agents are out there waiting for the Yankees to get back in the game, and they’re not in the game. It may take a couple of more years. I think most people realize this is probably a one-year thing with the Yankees so they can reset the tax rate. If they get under one year, then maybe the Yankees will be back in play again.”

The Yankees have yet to make a splash this winter — then again, most teams have yet to make a real splash this winter — and it’s clear that the Yankees budget concerns going forward are a significant factor. Trying to get below the $189-million mark has left them hesitant to give multi-year deals, which has hurt their chances of landing players like Torii Hunter, who’s already signed with the Tigers.

Although baseball is still waiting for this week’s blockbuster trade to become official, Girardi acknowledged the Blue Jays have gotten much better.

“They’ve been tough on us over the years anyway,” Girardi said. “It just becomes a little more difficult. But there’s a long way to the start of Spring Training and Opening Day, and there’s a lot of work to be done.”

Girardi said he’s spoken to Andy Pettitte this winter, but Girardi said Pettitte still hasn’t made a decision about whether to pitch next season.

“It starts with pitching,” Girardi said. “If you don’t have the pitching, it’s going to be hard to compete on a daily basis. Building this rotation is extremely important.”

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255 Responses to “Cone: “Yankees are “not in the game” for free agents”

  1. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Great, even David Cone knows whats up.

  2. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    That about seals the deal doesn’t it.

    ;

  3. Mike in Harrisburg November 15th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Man, there are just a lot of question marks surrounding the team right now. Are 1B and 2B the only positions where we have a known quantity at this point?

  4. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Tell us something we didn’t know.

    ;)

  5. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    The way it’s looking I’m thinking Kuroda is gone.

    Too much competition w. more bucks to spend.

    :(

  6. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Pettitte is now becoming a must sign.

  7. jacksquat November 15th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    blake November 15th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
    Jerkface says:
    November 15, 2012 at 3:31 pm
    Cabrera was -12 on baserunning+Defense. Trout was +23.

    Trout was -22 on playing games in April…..Miggy was + 22

    Cabrera is -100 in domestic violence and drunkeness.

  8. Hassey November 15th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Guys – I’m teaching myself the knuckler and I’ll be ready for Spring Training. A buddy of mine was at Yankee fantasty camp this year, and he told me that even at El Duque’s advanced age, he was still the best athlete he’s ever played with

  9. jacksquat November 15th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg November 15th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
    Man, there are just a lot of question marks surrounding the team right now. Are 1B and 2B the only positions where we have a known quantity at this point?

    Questions are #2 and #3 starter, RF, C and DH.

    1B – Teixera
    2B – Cano
    3B – Arod
    SS – Jeter/Nunez
    LF – Granderson
    CF – Gardner

    You can even call that the top 6 of the batting order:

    Gardner
    Jeter
    Cano
    Teixeira
    Rodriguez
    Granderson

  10. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    “It starts with pitching,” Girardi said. “If you don’t have the pitching, it’s going to be hard to compete on a daily basis. Building this rotation is extremely important.”

    Really Joe. No Sh*t. Tell that to Hal.

    And how do you do that w/o bucks to spend ?

    Pray a lot. Rub your magic lantern. Wait for a stork to drop one in your lap. Hope you hit lotto.

    Good luck.

    ;)

  11. Mike in Harrisburg November 15th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    @jacksquat I don’t mean simply vacancies. I mean production as well. We can assume Tex and Cano should have average years ahead of them. I don’t think you can be safe in that assumption about A-Rod, Jeter or Gardner because of injuries/decline. Grandy I guess you can be more confident in what numbers he’s likely to put up.

  12. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    “I think most people realize this is probably a one-year thing with the Yankees so they can reset the tax rate. If they get under one year, then maybe the Yankees will be back in play again.”

    This is so f*cking dumb… if there are more benefits to staying under for more years, why is the assumption being made it will stop after one year? And I get that Chad is like ‘well, even if we ask they won’t be forthcoming about it,’ but I think some of this one-and done stuff is wishful thinking. I’d like to be wrong.. but what incentive is there for them to stay above it for prolonged periods aside from wanting to field the best team? Even if they get under in 2014, and over in 2015, doesn’t it stand to reason they wouldnt want to stay there?!

  13. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    “Trying to get below the $189-million mark…”

    Chad learns nothing from our chats lol… $189 is not the goal!!

  14. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    “Building this rotation is extremely important.”

    We know Joe, we’ve been building it for the past 6 years…

  15. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    They’ll get the max. benefit by being under for 2 years.

    The only way it’s a 1 yr. thing is if the attendance goes into the crapper.

    Maybe then they’ll think about it.

  16. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    I like Cone’s honesty.

    I’d like to see Hal and Cashman be so forthright and honest.

    Not holding my breath.

  17. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Other teams can sign and acquire players without knowing who will sign in other positions. The Yankees evidently cannot.

    Cashman saying he is waiting for Kuroda and Pettitte translates into good players no longer being available. That, however, doesn’t matter since the Yankees will only dumpster dive. They will wiat to see who is left and can be had for a cheap one year deal.

    They will be fighting with the Astos for those players.

    This team is in deep trouble.

  18. blake November 15th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Wonderful

  19. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    mac-

    It is refreshing to hear someone tell the unvarnished truth.

    ;)

  20. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    I’m not even sure we’re going to make a play for Ichiro.

    :)

  21. Bronx Jeers November 15th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Coney with the chopstick!

  22. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    I submitted a question to Chad about how Hal could either believe ro say it is a 10% reduction when it is 20% or more. He didn’t answer that one.

    I see no reason in the world to believe the payroll limits are for 2014 only. This is the future through at least 2016 or until new ownership.

    Hal and Brian being honest with the fans will occur at the same time as we have a political race wihtout misrepresentations. Hal thinks we are morons. All will be well. The old guys will be fine. The holes will be filed with veterans. Warren can win 15 games.

    The sad thing is some actually believe it.

  23. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    I submitted a question to Chad about how Hal could either believe ro say it is a 10% reduction when it is 20% or more. He didn’t answer that one.

    I think he did answer it, he said Hal is probably just down playing it.

  24. Villa Nova-Ya November 15th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    It certainly is not dumb to say that spending more money does not guarantee a WS.

    There is a point at which you look at the salaries and the results. And you look at the fact that other teams with lesser payrolls won the WS even though you had the most expensive and “best team on paper.” Spending money on good players will very likely get you to the playoffs. And the Yankees have done well in this regard. But the Yankees played in only three WS and won only ONE WS in the years 2001 through 2012, despite spending an awful lot more money on salary than most. And for a team whose goal is not only to get to the WS, but to WIN it each year, and for a fanbase that buys heavily into that goal, getting into the playoffs is not enough. (Generally speaking. I am okay with just getting to the playoffs though I am super-thrilled when they win the whole enchilada, and some fans share that feeling.)

    So, I do not see how a team that is spending more on payroll as a $ number (as opposed to %) and not reaching their stated goal, and watching other teams with lesser payroll win WS, and being defeated by ostensibly less-stacked teams, cannot at some point say, this is not working.

    The last couple of seasons MLB has had more evenly matched teams, but prior to that, the Yankees, on paper, should have crushed every team they faced in the playoffs and did not, in spite of winning tons of games in the 162-game season.

    I do not know the answer to how a team can consistently win the most games in its division or league or in MLB during a 162-game season and fail to win a WS more often. But it is certainly not a dumb or stupid idea to state that throwing more money will not guarantee a WS. Because it doesn’t.

    That being said, they need to sign Kuroda and be done with it. Call him up and ask him what it will take. There definitely are some scenarios where you just HAVE to spend the money. This is one of them.

  25. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Why can’t they stop talking about $189 if that’s not the real number?! It isn’t the real number! VOODOO MATH!

  26. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Chad said Hal is downplaying it, or considering the expenditures differently so that it may be true that its a 10% deduction.

  27. brianlopez22 November 15th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    “Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
    “Building this rotation is extremely important.”

    We know Joe, we’ve been building it for the past 6 years…

    AWESOME!!!
    You’re exactly right there.

  28. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    We know Joe, we’ve been building it for the past 6 years…

    ————————–

    Another bad grade of their report card

  29. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    “There definitely are some scenarios where you just HAVE to spend the money. This is one of them.”

    Ain’t that the truth.

    Think they will ?

    ;)

  30. brianlopez22 November 15th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    “It may take a couple of more years. I think most people realize this is probably a one-year thing with the Yankees so they can reset the tax rate. If they get under one year, then maybe the Yankees will be back in play again.”

    Under the New CBA, you’d have to do this every 3 years. (the 4th year over cap is when it hits 50%)
    So what are we, the Marlins now? Go for broke for 3 years, then sit around and sacrifice 2 years to get under the soft cap?

  31. blake November 15th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Chad accepted Hals offer of allowing him to swim in his money bin if he would help promote the budget propaganda!

  32. brianlopez22 November 15th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Does anyone think there’s an owners meeting where Loria and Hal are rolling up cigars in the $10,000 bills and smoking them?

  33. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya November 15th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    It certainly is not dumb to say that spending more money does not guarantee a WS.

    ———————–

    It is dumb, IMO, to suggest that spending more doesn’t help, which is what the statement implies. It certainly helps. Spending more always helps. HOW you spend it is more important than what you are spending. But spending more, whether it be on scouts, development or player salaries, isn’t going to HURT your chances of winning a WS (unless you let it.. we are letting it right now). That is to say, what wins you one WS (cost wise) could hurt you 5 years down the road – if you let it. So to me, pointing out that having a high payroll doesn’t help is a bit meaningless. Obviously there is/should be strategy involved even if you are spending $300 million dollars.

  34. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    You can win a WS without spending money, but find a team that is consistently in the mix for a WS without spending money and you won’t find one.

  35. Benny Blanco November 15th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    We all know that AP will not sign until freakin Feb….

  36. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    There are only 3 ways to fill the holes on your team:

    You can buy FA’s (that takes money).

    You can trade for them.

    You can fill them from within (we can’t).

    If you don’t wish to pay competitive rates then you must trade.

    If you refuse to do either you’re stuck.

    It really isn’t all that complicated.

  37. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    You can win a WS without spending money, but find a team that is consistently in the mix for a WS without spending money and you won’t find one.

    —————-

    Yep.

    No one here wants to win one WS. Leave that to Mets fans and other gluttons for punishment.

    We want to win ALL the WS. :twisted:

  38. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Benny Blanco November 15th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    We all know that AP will not sign until freakin Feb….

    ———————-

    Andy is probably just waiting to see what they pay Kuroda and Mo. It’d be nice if they could at least sign Mo in the next couple weeks lol.

  39. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Yankee prospects know whats up:

    @Bubba_Jones11

    I would take 1 Mike Trout over 3 Miguel Cabrera’s.

  40. mick November 15th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Do you guys enjoy whining ?
    Is it self motivated or is it the tweaking provided by Chad that keeps this blog alive?
    Surely Cone adds an extra 100 or so posts to keep this party afloat…

  41. blake November 15th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    I would take 1 ClaytonKershaw over 5 RA Dickeys but that doesn’t mean Kershaw should have win te CY Young

  42. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    I would take 5 saved babies over $50 million dollars in luxury tax savings.

  43. blake November 15th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    @Buster_ESPN: Before the megatrade was made, the Marlins talked with the D-Backs about shortstop Jose Reyes as they assessed the market.

    Could AA eat some money and try to flip Reyes for Upton?

  44. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    This is actually very nice of Cash:

    @BruceBeck4NY

    #Yankees GM, Brian Cashman @CovenantHouse nationwide “sleep out” in support of homeless kids! @CovHousePrez pic.twitter.com/r0WCDgbO

  45. blake November 15th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    November 15, 2012 at 5:00 pm
    I would take 5 saved babies over $50 million dollars in luxury tax savings.

    Well yea….

  46. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    AA has so many options right now I hate him.

  47. blake November 15th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    @YankeesWFAN: Curious–in making cases for AL MVP, why is everyone so intent on proving not just your choice is right, but the other is completely wrong.

    Maybe we should make some attack ads!

  48. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    blake November 15th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    November 15, 2012 at 5:00 pm
    I would take 5 saved babies over $50 million dollars in luxury tax savings.

    Well yea…

    —————–

    :D

  49. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    That being said… I would sacrifice 5 babies for 5 straight WS wins. Something’s gotta give, amirite?!

  50. Villa Nova-Ya November 15th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    No, spending smart helps; spending more can often simply result in spending more.

    Spending more has not helped the Yankees win more WS. It has helped them be in a position to win more WS. But it doesn’t guarantee a WS. So at some point, there is a cost/benefit situation. At least if you decide you DON’T have a bottomless wallet.

    And I thought it was fairly clear that the conversation had to do with the payroll for the players on the field, not the support system.

    I would agree that spending more, but SMARTLY, on the system that supports the players on the field probably helps more than simply throwing more money at players, whose very human-being-ness lends itself to the argument that you can’t guarantee results. Injuries happen. Slumps happen. Poor fits between player/team happen.

  51. NYY_Girl_Penny November 15th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    “But Yankees president Randy Levine, the highest-ranking team official in attendance because of the absence of managing general partner Hal Steinbrenner”

    Hal doesn’t even show up for the owner meetings. Guy has no interest in baseball or anything baseball related… Don’t think I can be a fan of this crud much longer

  52. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    This is actually very nice of Cash:

    @BruceBeck4NY

    #Yankees GM, Brian Cashman @CovenantHouse nationwide “sleep out” in support of homeless kids! @CovHousePrez pic.twitter.com/r0WCDgbO

    —————

    He is always generous when it comes to charity.

  53. Villa Nova-Ya November 15th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    Jerkface -

    Right. Spending money gets you in the mix on a consistent basis. My point was that for the Yankees, whose mantra is WS or bust, and the fans that really really buy into that, being in the mix isn’t enough.

    For me, I think it would be really a good thing if the Yankees stopped having a WS or bust mentality.

    And I am of the opinion that those dynasty years were a bit of a curse in that in set the team up (and some of their fans) with an unrealistic goal.

    And this is where it gets complicated for me. If you’re going to have a team, or if you’re going to be an athlete, you SHOULD want to win it all. But where they lose me is when they say the season was a total bust if they didn’t win it all. It’s not in my mind. Because other athletes/teams should have the same goal, and that’s competition. Someone has to lose. Nature of the beast. You cannot and should not wipe away 162-game season that gets you into the position of vying for a championship, which is what happens here all too often. And by here, I mean in NY.

    Listen, I know that sometimes I sound like I’m all over the map with this stuff. But there are nuances and I sometimes get stuck in those.

  54. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    Right. Spending money gets you in the mix on a consistent basis. My point was that for the Yankees, whose mantra is WS or bust, and the fans that really really buy into that, being in the mix isn’t enough.

    Being in the mix is the first step to winning one. Only one team in baseball has played in the most WS since 95, won the most WS, and been to the playoffs the most.

  55. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    If the playoffs are a crap shoot, then the goal for the team is to be in the playoffs every year. And you spend money to do that. It is no coincidence that, in general, the high payroll teams make the playoffs.

  56. blake November 15th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    I just want a plan…..do we have a plan ?

  57. Patrick November 15th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    I just want a plan…..do we have a plan ?

    I’m sure Cashman has a plan but he’s certainly not going to tell us about it.

  58. Nick in SF November 15th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    I contend that “World Series or bust” is not the real mantra, despite what Hal says in his post mortems when they don’t win a WS. I think the truer goal is to put the team in a position to credibly compete for the WS. Whether that remains the prime directive in light of new budgetary goals remains to be seen.

    “World Series or bust” may have been a more accurate mantra when George was at his height of activity, hiring and firing and signing all willy nilly and the Yanks were doing a whole lot of busting and not too much winning.

  59. Tyler November 15th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    I guess I have some hope since a lot of Cash’s better moves recently have been more of under the radar type (like an Ibanez). I just don’t have a lot of faith in the current regime being able to run a lower budget team even for a couple seasons.. it’s going to put a lot of emphasis on scouting and player development which the Yanks haven’t been exemplary at recently in my opinion.

  60. tomingeorgia November 15th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    I have a plan: MTU’s island. We can watch Venezuelan base ball from there, Dominican, too, I think, and make big plans for those latin boys.

  61. blake November 15th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    “I’m sure Cashman has a plan but he’s certainly not going to tell us about it.”

    Signing old guys to one year deals isn’t a fun plan

  62. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Phrasing

  63. Tyler November 15th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    If this team can get Kuroda/Pettite back, the rotation should be enough to carry them to the postseason (as long as no crippling injuries or severe underperformance occur)… the staff and bullpen seem to be solid. Then I guess it will be time to pray that the bats get hot for 18 games or so…

  64. blake November 15th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Tom,

    I hope MTU told you that that island property he’s selling is in Utah ;)

  65. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    blake November 15th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    I just want a plan…..do we have a plan ?

    ———————

    I still point back to Hughes and Joba and to even some extent Wang. The mishandling of each and the follies that followed threw the org off course.

  66. luis November 15th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Just a quick thought:

    In the 80′s we spent an insane amount on free agents… How many titles did we win?…. 0

    When old George was banned from baseball we stop trading away our prospects and start building from within complimented with a few FA and trades… How many titles did we win in that span?… 4

    When old George came back and we started the crazy spending again how many titles did we win?… 1

    It is not spending for spending sake that brings results… It is smart spending… To do so according to your needs and avoiding shackles like the ones we currently have.

    One more thing, that title we won in 2009 our old core was still intact and productive.

    We need to replace the core and the FA class is not that good either.

  67. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    I don’t remember anyone on the board suggesting throwing money at players. What has been said is replacing players with lesser players because they are cheap is a bad idea exacerbated by an aging team.

    The Yankees have won by having money and using it since they bought Ruth and throughout the years when the Kansas City A’s we’re a virtual farm team due to money disparity. To give that advantage up is very risky to the brand.

    The reduced spending could be accepted more readily if they showed some cogent plan to be competitive going forward. Signing replacement players whose primarily attribute is a short, cheap contract doesn’t seem much of a plan of success.

  68. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    When old George was banned from baseball we stop trading away our prospects and start building from within complimented with a few FA and trades

    Lets not get too revisionist. George often got in his own way, like with RJ vs Beltran & Sheffield vs Vlad, but the Yankees had the highest or one of the highest payrolls in baseball every year they won a WS.

  69. mick November 15th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    This is all short term thinking.
    Does anyone think this is a permanent fix?
    After 2-3 years of penny-pinching Hal will be back in the game esp. if attendance tanks.

    At that point the farms will come to fruition and any other prospects through trades as well.
    It’s a growth process….

    The win now mantra has not gone away, we have enough to win now.

  70. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    Pat,

    Let me rephrase Blake’s statement–I just want a good plan.

  71. mick November 15th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    the Yankees had the highest or one of the highest payrolls in baseball every year they won a WS.
    ==============================
    as they will in the future.

  72. blake November 15th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    Yes a good plan

  73. Villa Nova-Ya November 15th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    Nick in SF -

    I agree, and I am okay with that. But I think they need to cut the rhetoric. George sure gave the people activity, if not the intended result. I guess that is in part what frustrates some fans – the lack of activity, the “do SOMETHING, do ANYTHING” mantra.

    Jerkface -

    So, explain the whining by the fanbase when they DO get to the playoffs, but don’t win the WS? Explain the whining by some of the fanbase even AFTER they won in 2009? There are unreasonable people out there. It even took Derek Jeter years to admit it isn’t easy to win a WS, or to get to the playoffs every year, even though he still maintains if they don’t win the WS, they’ve failed.

    And even with the budget cuts the Yankees are STILL a high payroll team.

    I’d venture the Yankees have a plan. They don’t feel the need to make the world privy to that plan. I also have an opinion that some pieces of their plan, started several years ago, but didn’t quite work out the way they hoped and complicated this entire situation right now. (they were hoping to have a pitching staff in place that didn’t hinge on Pettitte and Kuroda, for instance)

  74. Patrick November 15th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    A rotation of Sabathia, Kuroda, Pettitte, Hughes and Nova/Phelps is good enough to make the playoffs. The problem is that the lineup is currently:

    Jeter SS – coming off broken ankle
    Gardner CF – coming off an injury plagued season
    Rodriguez 3B – old, injury prone, continuing to decline
    Cano 2B – no problem here
    Teixeira 1B – continuing his decline, clearly on the back end of his career
    Granderson CF – coming off a down season
    ?? RF – ??
    ?? C – ??
    ?? DH – ??

    As for the 3 question marks, the current plan seems to be for the Yanks to sign veterans to 1 year deals. Good players do not sign 1 year contracts, so that means Cashman will have to sign players that are old or coming off injury. Even Russell Martin, who was awful in 2012, will easily get a 2-3 year contract on the open market.

    So basically aside from Cano you are looking at an old team that gets injured a lot.

    The only way Cashman can avoid this path is to trade away prospects for young position players. Which is also a risky proposition because the players Cashman would have to trade could potentially be the future core of the team.

  75. blake November 15th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    @RiverAveBlues: Report: News Corp. closing in on deal for YES stake http://t.co/3crKXwKc

  76. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    After 2-3 years of penny-pinching Hal will be back in the game esp

    ————————

    But as long as they’re in the mix which is all they really want, why would they jump right back in?

  77. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    So, explain the whining by the fanbase

    Fan bases are irrational actors.

  78. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    Mister Tom-

    You know you’re always welcome.

    :)

  79. mick November 15th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    How do you replace a core?
    To go out and purchase FA’s at this time will create the same environment we have now with overpriced fading stars.
    To build from within and add to our present overpaid stars is the plan.

  80. mick November 15th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    But as long as they’re in the mix which is all they really want, why would they jump right back in?
    =========================
    To get to the next level.

  81. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Tyler,

    Let’s hope both pitchers return. Even if they do their are still too many holes with unknown fillers to know what the team will look like. I hope the replacements are capable.

  82. luis November 15th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    JF,

    Not disputing that we always had a big payroll…Just that when we were the most successful was when we spent smartly….I am not against a high payroll, I am against stupid and shortsighted spending…. That’s the key difference

  83. blake November 15th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    “A rotation of Sabathia, Kuroda, Pettitte, Hughes and Nova/Phelps is good enough to make the playoffs. The problem is that the lineup is currently:”

    That may not be the rotation though

  84. Patrick November 15th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    That may not be the rotation though

    That wasn’t exactly the point of my post …

  85. blake November 15th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    I hope Cabrera wins just because I want to see the saber outrage ….. They may turn over cars and burn tires in the street or something

  86. Patrick November 15th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    I hope Cabrera wins just because I want to see the saber outrage ….. They may turn over cars and burn tires in the street or something

    Nah we’ll just write angry blog posts and passive aggressive tweets

  87. tomingeorgia November 15th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Mr. MTU,
    I can play the ukulele. Who’s going to hula? Ready to go, now.

  88. blake November 15th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    “That wasn’t exactly the point of my post …”

    I understand ….my point was that in addition to the questions you raise about the lineup…..they are totally screwed if that’s not the rotation

  89. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    Luis,

    Let’s see if we can find anyone in favor of stupid and shortsighted spending. :)

  90. mick November 15th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    I hope Cabrera wins just because I want to see the saber outrage
    =====================
    They are too smart to show indignity.
    They showed none when Dickey beat out Kershaw.

  91. luis November 15th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    Patrick,

    They need to cut the BS and start a rebuilding process…Living in between will only delay the inevitable… Go younger instead of getting old vets about to retire

  92. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    mick November 15th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    the Yankees had the highest or one of the highest payrolls in baseball every year they won a WS.
    ==============================
    as they will in the future.

    ————————————————–

    Except the Yankees had better teams back then.

  93. blake November 15th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    I have already predicted that the yankees could miss the playoffs in 2013 if they don’t address their offense……..if Kuroda and Andy leave then I can almost guarantee it

  94. mick November 15th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    ————————————————–

    Except the Yankees had better teams back then.
    ===============================
    So did baseball in general.

  95. luis November 15th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
    Luis,

    Let’s see if we can find anyone in favor of stupid and shortsighted spending.

    ==========================

    Good point ;) …. But I bet those that made stupid spending decisions thought they were hitting the ball out of the ballpark :D

  96. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    mick November 15th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    But as long as they’re in the mix which is all they really want, why would they jump right back in?
    =========================
    To get to the next level.

    ——————————————

    Why try to get to the next level in you’re in the mix and the playoffs are just “luck/crapshoot”

  97. Patrick November 15th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    I understand ….my point was that in addition to the questions you raise about the lineup…..they are totally screwed if that’s not the rotation

    Yes true. Even the rotation I posted isn’t without risk. Pettitte is how old now? Kuroda is getting up there in age too. Hughes hasn’t exactly been a model of consistency in his career. Nova and Phelps are 5th starters at best so you really can’t count on them. Not to mention, the two premium pitching prospects the Yankees had close the majors both had major set backs this season.

    That being said, my main concern is still the lineup for 2013 and beyond and it looks pretty damn bad right now.

  98. luis November 15th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    Tom and MTU,

    Aruba seems to fit very well to your island dream… It is close to Venezuela, so you can watch all the games from there, you could even take a short flight to Caracas to go to the stadium for a classic Caracas-Magallanes game…I can pick you up ;) … On a game like that one the park will be packed… You will have a blast!

  99. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    mick November 15th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    ————————————————–

    Except the Yankees had better teams back then.
    ===============================
    So did baseball in general.

    ———————————

    Did it really??? There were tough series but the Yankees hand the league in a choke hold during that era. Top pitching, balanced line-up, nasty bullpen, etc.

  100. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    had not hand

  101. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    Tom-

    You can go anytime you’re ready.

    I make trips whenever I feel I need too.

    Cash has a Swedish girlfriend. Maybe she’d do the honors ?

    As Trisha said last night, “It’s only baseball.”

    It isn’t real life.

    ;)

  102. Patrick November 15th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    They are too smart to show indignity.
    They showed none when Dickey beat out Kershaw.

    I actually don’t think Dickey over Kershaw was that big a deal. They had very comparable statistics and Dickey threw more innings. Citi Field and Dodger stadium were basically equal in park factor so Kershaw doesn’t get an advantage there. I think Dickey probably had to face better offenses than Kershaw too so maybe a slight edge there.

    The AL Cy Young was easier to criticize. Verlander and Price were very close but Verlander was very clearly the better pitcher.

  103. mick November 15th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Why try to get to the next level in you’re in the mix and the playoffs are just “luck/crapshoot”
    ========================================================
    It’s more of the better team, at that time, winning in the playoffs than luck.
    So much more goes into winning in the playoffs/WS than meets the eye .
    Luck is a part of it but , at that level, the team that is jelling will probably win it all.
    This is a result of team construction, over the course of a season, making the right pickups.

    Hal, certainly wants to get there.

  104. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Luis-

    I’ll go if I hit lotto and I can have a side trip to Canaima.

    Thank you for the generous offer.

    I’ll stop in Curacao to see Andruw Too.

    :)

  105. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    Hal, certainly wants to get there.

    ————————

    Can we be sure about that. Hal has been talking about getting the payroll in order for yrs. He seems more content with just being around as long as the team is there.

  106. mick November 15th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    The AL Cy Young was easier to criticize. Verlander and Price were very close but Verlander was very clearly the better pitcher.
    ==========================
    No rioting in the streets for that one either.
    They made their points ahead of time but the majority of writers did not believe.

  107. tomingeorgia November 15th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    luis,
    Never asked MTU about iguanas, but I’d love to go to a ballgame with you!

  108. luis November 15th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Mick and Odds,

    The Yankee teams of the 90′s where on a class of their own….Only the Mariners at some point pose a threat… The NL was a joke, to the point that basically the team that won the AL turned out to be the WS champion.

  109. mick November 15th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Can we be sure about that. Hal has been talking about getting the payroll in order for yrs. He seems more content with just being around as long as the team is there.
    ===============================================
    How do you know this is not Hal’s attempt to change course until the 2014-16 period expires?

  110. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    luis November 15th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Mick and Odds,

    The Yankee teams of the 90?s where on a class of their own….Only the Mariners at some point pose a threat… The NL was a joke, to the point that basically the team that won the AL turned out to be the WS champion.

    ——————————–

    Yea only 3 NL WS champs during the 90′s if I’m not mistaken

  111. luis November 15th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    MTU,

    My invitation to come down here is still in place whenever you like…Just get the plane ticket, everything else is on me… I would rather wait a little, until things get better down here though.
    :( I might be joining you guys up there if things don’t turn in another direction here.

    Tom,

    You are on… I would love to go to a game with you my friend… I just hope that you don’t get mad at me when I yell to the Ump for a bad call… ;)

  112. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    I think the sabers will go down quietly again when Cabrera beats out Trout.

  113. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/base.....eedID=2797

  114. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Luis-

    Understood.

    Thanks. Very gracious.

    :)

  115. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    Hal, in fact, could be doing the thing many here are demanding, in reconstructing this team from within.
    Adding the big names being the final ingredient after the core is rebuilt from within.

  116. tomingeorgia November 15th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    luis,
    I’ll yell at the ump, too. You just will have to provide appropriate words for the situation, or will English do?

  117. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    mick November 15th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Can we be sure about that. Hal has been talking about getting the payroll in order for yrs. He seems more content with just being around as long as the team is there.
    ===============================================
    How do you know this is not Hal’s attempt to change course until the 2014-16 period expires?
    ————————————————————————————

    Because Hal at his core is the complete opposite of his father. 189 is a goal for Hal. He stated that more than once.

  118. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    Hal, in fact, could be doing the thing many here are demanding, in reconstructing this team from within.

    He can do that without torpedoing 3 seasons to increase his profit margin.

  119. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    of course 189 is the goal. so what? this is temporary while the farm develops.
    some will argue that george was not that responsible, in fact fiscally irresponsible, in achieving WS victories.
    in the end we will have the highest payroll, which shouldn’t be the goal.

  120. luis November 15th, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    Tom,

    Probably English will do fine…. But down here we are not as politically correct as you guys up there… Some very nasty things are said ;)

  121. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    He can do that without torpedoing 3 seasons to increase his profit margin.
    =========================
    no guarantee that will happen.

  122. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    of course 189 is the goal. so what?

    So they aren’t in position to effectively move towards that goal is what. They can spend like normal for 3 seasons then drop payroll when their ‘core’ actually exists.

  123. tomingeorgia November 15th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    JF,
    Hope you’re 100% invested in “green” technology, and whoever provides your wage isn’t.

  124. Patrick November 15th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/base…..eedID=2797

    Haha that’s awesome

  125. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    Hope you’re 100% invested in “green” technology, and whoever provides your wage isn’t.

    What are you talking about?

  126. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    right. torii hunter was worth 26 mill, that kind of normal?

  127. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    right. torii hunter was worth 26 mill, that kind of normal?

    If they were going to spend normally, Torii for 2 years is a good stop gap while waiting to see if Williams & Austin are for real. They could retain Swisher. They could sign Hamilton. Signing any of these players makes it more likely for them to compete in the near future. They could sign Greinke as a #2 behind CC.

    Then in 3 years, if they actually do have cost controlled young, good players, they can start saving money. What they’re doing now is reducing payroll without the kinds of players that make doing that affordable.

  128. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    How can they get to 189 if they are signing multi- year contracts?
    Hunter might have been viable for 2013 but Ichiro will want to play fulltime.
    There are other alternatives to Hunter.

  129. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    of course 189 is the goal. so what? this is temporary

    ———————————-

    Do you honestly believe this is temporary. They will be able to save money they have never had the chance too.

  130. Patrick November 15th, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    How can they get to 189 if they are signing multi- year contracts?

    That’s the point.. the Yankees shouldn’t necessarily be making the 189 threshold their #1 goal…

  131. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    Their best cost controlled pitcher is no longer cost controlled after next year. They have no position players who are cost controlled outside of Gardner, who is not a ‘core’ guy.

  132. The Return of Stoneburner November 15th, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    f they were going to spend normally, Torii for 2 years is a good stop gap while waiting to see if Williams & Austin are for real. They could retain Swisher. They could sign Hamilton. Signing any of these players makes it more likely for them to compete in the near future. They could sign Greinke as a #2 behind CC.

    Then in 3 years, if they actually do have cost controlled young, good players, they can start saving money. What they’re doing now is reducing payroll without the kinds of players that make doing that affordable.

    ******

    This just reeks of spoiled video game gan – you have the Yanks signing Greinke, Hunter, and Swisher AND Hamilton –

    Even when the Yankees were spending “normally” – they rarely added two big ticket items in the same offseason – but you have them signing four – - – -this bears no further comment – just outrageous hypothetical spending by fans – - and you are not even saving in the long run b/c Greinke Hamilton and Swisher would require 5 or more years in their deals – - – -

  133. The Return of Stoneburner November 15th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
    Their best cost controlled pitcher is no longer cost controlled after next year. They have no position players who are cost controlled outside of Gardner, who is not a ‘core’ guy.

    ******

    Robertson is still cost controlled – if you meant starting pitcher – then need qualify that – and even then – they have some cost controlled pitching that is very nice and on the way in the mold of Hughes and Phelps – - – -

  134. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    How can they get to 189 if they are signing multi- year contracts?

    How is getting to 189 at all costs enviable? The 189 goal should be something to consider in the future, like if they have the pieces to make it happen, not a mandate that must be achieved at all costs.

    They aren’t getting to 189 in anticipation of a core, they are getting to 189 so Hal can pad his wallet with extra money.

  135. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Do you honestly believe this is temporary.
    ===========================
    That is the question.
    Yes I do.
    He is trying to reconstruct this team, control the ridiculous spending, and make as much profit as he can.

  136. tucker November 15th, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    Good for Cone for telling the truth. Perhaps he does not want to get his YES contract renewed.

    It is only Nov. 15, and the frugal Yanks story is going to get bigger as the offseason progresses. The tabloids will pick this up and start hammering away. Really hope that does not compel Cashman to do something counterproductive, like trading Heathcott/Williams/Sanchez for a veteran pitcher with one year left on their deal (Matt Garza type).

    Hope they can work out a deal with Kuroda. The Yanks sort of sat on the Kuroda contract for quite awhile last offseason. Not sure they will have that luxury this year.

    If Kuroda signs elsewhere, Yanks should think long and hard about shifting to rebuild mode by trading Granderson and Kuroda.

  137. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    Robertson is still cost controlled – if you meant starting pitcher – then need qualify that – and even then – they have some cost controlled pitching that is very nice and on the way in the mold of Hughes and Phelps – – – -

    Of course I meant starters, no team should be worried about the bullpen its the most volatile and easy to fix piece on a team. Robertson is a free agent after 2014. Joba is a free agent after 2013. So currently their 2 best pieces will not be cost controlled going forward.

    They have prospects behind Hughes, but none that can be relied upon going forward. Nova is up in the air & phelps is a rookie. Hughes is a free agent after next year. They have 1 reliable pitcher locked up for the 2014-2016 seasons.

    If Nova & Phelps both pitched excellently all season in the starting rotation, you’d have more of a point.

  138. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    How can they get to 189 if they are signing multi- year contracts?
    ==========================================

    How is getting to 189 at all costs enviable?
    ==============================
    It’s 1-3 years of cost control.
    After that they can spend more freely.

  139. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    Hughes is going to be looking for his pay day if he repeats next season.

  140. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    This just reeks of spoiled video game gan – you have the Yanks signing Greinke, Hunter, and Swisher AND Hamilton –

    No, those were all options. Obviously you don’t sign 3 OFers. Getting any 1 of those 3 helps the team moving forward.

  141. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    It’s 1-3 years of cost control.
    After that they can spend more freely.

    Why should anyone be excited about the Yankees making more profit when they will not put it back in the team?

  142. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    After that they can spend more freely.

    ————————-

    If the team is playing at the level it is now I can’t see them spending more freely. They probably were in favor of the extra wild card

  143. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    These pieces you mention can be traded bringing in prospects that will further Hal’s plan for the future.
    If Joba , Nova and Hughes are involved they can be replaced without hurting our playoff chances.
    It seems like some want to get younger but don’t want to pay the price.

  144. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    These pieces you mention can be traded bringing in prospects that will further Hal’s plan for the future.

    So you’re on record that Hughes, Nova, and Joba will be traded this offseason?

  145. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    Why should anyone be excited about the Yankees making more profit when they will not put it back in the team?
    =================
    How do you know Hal won’t put it back in the team after 2016?

  146. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    HAL doesn’t have a plan for the future, outside of reducing costs at the expense of the on field product.

  147. Pat M. November 15th, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    Villa Nova Ya……..Great contributions today…….Tigers don’t beat out The Chi-Sox without Miggy….Angels would still be a 3rd place team with or without Trout…..MVP is not the best player of the year Award now is it……Miggy isn’t the most popular guy with the media, but he’s the MVP ….

  148. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    So you’re on record that Hughes, Nova, and Joba will be traded this offseason?
    =====================
    Is there a record?
    If it benefits the team, why not?

  149. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    How do you know Hal won’t put it back in the team after 2016?

    Due to his comments to the effect of “there is no reason we cannot win at 189″. A guy going all in for profit margin doesn’t scream ‘spending’

  150. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    HAL doesn’t have a plan for the future, outside of reducing costs at the expense of the on field product.
    =====================
    And you know this, how?

  151. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Do you honestly believe this is temporary.
    ===========================
    That is the question.
    Yes I do.
    He is trying to reconstruct this team, control the ridiculous spending, and make as much profit as he can.

    ———————-

    He maybe trying to reconstruct the team but as JF pointed out the team is doesn’t have the reinforcements to with stand that type of reconstruction. If the team and farm was the same as it was at the end of the WS victory I would say ok we’re set up nice but that’s not the case.

  152. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    And you know this, how?

    And you know the opposite, how? The only evidence right now is that the team is drastically reducing spending & has already started to do so. There is nothing in favor of your ‘rebuilding’.

  153. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    Due to his comments to the effect of “there is no reason we cannot win at 189?.
    ===============================
    This is a growth process.
    The conditions as they are now.
    They will change after they get under.

  154. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    This is a growth process.

    Its actually a shrinking process.

  155. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    If Joba , Nova and Hughes are involved they can be replaced

    ———————

    Replaced by who??? Pineda is on the shelf, Phelps is a rookie, and any kid they call up will go through the normal up and down development. I’ll give you Joba since he is a spare BP piece. I admire mick arguing the other side of the argument….nice debate

  156. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    They will change after they get under.

    ———————–

    They were only suppose to be under for 1 yr and now it’s what 2-3. Why not 5 or even 6

  157. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    They overspent in the past and are underspending now and still have the highest payroll.
    It is for a very short period of time.
    Hopefully his business plan works out and the team is rebuilt in this changing environment.
    It should also bring the AAV down considerably.

  158. tomingeorgia November 15th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    JF,
    Profits drive progress, under whatever rules are imposed. Subsidies don’t do that, no matter how well-meaning they are. The Yankees are among the main subsidizers of their competition under the current set of rules.

    Most people, I believe, want their money invested to attain the maximum ROI. The Yankees belong to them. I just root for the team. They manage their money to make money. Wish I knew how to do that better. Those who invest out of “social concerns”, not real life, are the ones who should take losses or break even, for “the greater good”, if the market won’t sustain it. That’s why, with your social stance, I said that “green” energy would be a good investment for you.

    That’s what I meant.

  159. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    Replaced by who???
    ==============
    The pitchers they trade them for and/or Kuroda and Pettitte.
    Give Phelps a shot. CC and someone.

  160. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    They overspent in the past and are underspending now and still have the highest payroll.
    It is for a very short period of time.
    Hopefully his business plan works out and the team is rebuilt in this changing environment.
    It should also bring the AAV down considerably.

    4 seasons is not short, its a lifetime. Its 66% of a cost controlled players time with a team. Thats an entire window of competition. And underspending is not the cure to overspending. They have made profit every season. They are trying to operate a budget while 50% of their payroll is already used up by 4 players. Its foolish.

    And what do you mean they should bring the AAV down considerably? That doesn’t even make sense.

  161. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    They were only suppose to be under for 1 yr and now it’s what 2-3. Why not 5 or even 6
    ==================
    The new CBA states 2014-16.

  162. tucker November 15th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    The Dodgers have passed the Yanks payroll

  163. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    Replaced by who???
    ==============
    The pitchers they trade them for and/or Kuroda and Pettitte.
    Give Phelps a shot. CC and someone.
    ————————–

    But what’s the point of trading pitchers for pitchers especially if you’re own don’t make as much and the goal is to have a cost controlled rotation.

  164. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    Luis,

    I went to Aruba long ago. Beautiful leeward side and amazing windward side. I had never really experienced that.

    Life could be very nice on Aruba.

  165. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    They are trying to operate a budget while 50% of their payroll is already used up by 4 players. Its foolish.

    And what do you mean they should bring the AAV down considerably? That doesn’t even make sense.
    =========================================
    They are looking to change the culture that allowed that foolishness possible.
    The AAV, in general, will come down for most players with this new cap.

  166. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    Tom,

    Baseball is not an innovative field via the owners. MLB the corporation already makes tons of profits, there is no reason for the owners to put themselves ahead of the team in that situation. The owners are not the ones creating MLB.tv, or new protective head gear for players, or advanced systems like pitch fx & player fx.

  167. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    But what’s the point of trading pitchers for pitchers especially if you’re own don’t make as much and the goal is to have a cost controlled rotation.
    ======================================
    They can trade for prospects.

  168. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    They are looking to change the culture that allowed that foolishness possible.
    The AAV, in general, will come down for most players with this new cap.

    Heh, no, it will only rise. It is not a new cap. And the Yankees are the only team that is targeted by it. In actuality the luxury tax limit increased, so by simply spending as they normally do, the Yankees could have saved 10 million per year. While the upper ceiling for every other team in baseball just got higher.

  169. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    22 of 28 1st place votes to Cabrera.
    Sabers lose again.

  170. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    They were only suppose to be under for 1 yr and now it’s what 2-3. Why not 5 or even 6
    ==================
    The new CBA states 2014-16.
    ——————————

    Forget what the CBA states they have been cutting back on spending before the new CBA was even thought of

  171. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    It’s a soft cap.

  172. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    Mick,

    Yes, there is a record. I keep it locked away in case any of my predictions ever occur and I can proudly point to the momentous occasion.

  173. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    Forget what the CBA states they have been cutting back on spending before the new CBA was even thought of
    ============
    Not in 2009.

  174. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    It’s a soft cap.

    It has always been a soft cap. The only reason they are cutting spending now is because George died & Hal has taken over.

  175. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    But what’s the point of trading pitchers for pitchers especially if you’re own don’t make as much and the goal is to have a cost controlled rotation.
    ======================================
    They can trade for prospects.

    ————————————————————

    They could but then they would have to develop those guys properly. They have trouble developing their own.

  176. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    Mac

    Not too concerned about the so called record.
    Some here stake their “reputation” on it but there is no harm in being wrong.
    Just as there are no rewards here for being right…

  177. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    They could but then they would have to develop those guys properly. They have trouble developing their own.
    ================
    I’m sure many teams do.

  178. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    The only reason they are cutting spending now is because George died & Hal has taken over.
    ====================
    I thought the consensus of opinion was that we overspent for Arod and Tex?

  179. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    I thought the consensus of opinion was that we overspent for Arod and Tex?

    They’re only albatrosses if you allow them to be. And a budget doesn’t stop the team from overpaying, it simply makes their overpayments hurt more.

  180. mick November 15th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    They’re only albatrosses if you allow them to be.
    ===============================
    Not sure what that means. Most agree Alex’ deal hurts the team.

    In the future, a budget will certainly be a limiting factor when it comes to salaries, if need be.

    It’s all conjecture.
    We can only hope for the best….

  181. tomingeorgia November 15th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    JF,
    How, exactly, does MLB do these things if the teams don’t pay for them, one way or another?

  182. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    How, exactly, does MLB do these things if the teams don’t pay for them, one way or another?

    The teams do pay into MLB, being franchises. MLB also makes its own money from MLBAM, national TV deals, and merchandising. The point is that even after paying out to MLB the franchise fee, these teams are going after profits instead of players. There is no reason for a major league team to prioritize profits. They should be putting as much money as possible back into the product. They are a sports franchise, not a medical R&D facility/technology innovator/car company/whatever.

  183. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Not sure what that means. Most agree Alex’ deal hurts the team.

    In the future, a budget will certainly be a limiting factor when it comes to salaries, if need be.

    It means that Alex’s contract hurts the team only if the team is operating on a budget where A-rod’s deal takes up space. If they said F it, counted it as a sunk cost, and spent anyways, it would not be an albatross.

    If the Yankees are limiting themselves on salaries, they will just lose players to other teams.

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