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  1. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Posey on the Rays would have been scary. I guess why the warts get overlooked is because they have had success in other places. That is probably why the fans take so many shots at the Yankees because they have made strides in terms of development but the success isn’t what many fans hoped for. If Hughes and Joba reach their ceiling would anyone be upset about the Bs going down or Pineda getting hurt. But I guess someone can say if Hughes and Joba lived up to the praise Pineda would probably stil be with the Ms

  2. The Return of Stoneburner November 15th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 11:56 am
    Posey on the Rays would have been scary. I guess why the warts get overlooked is because they have had success in other places. That is probably why the fans take so many shots at the Yankees because they have made strides in terms of development but the success isn’t what many fans hoped for. If Hughes and Joba reach their ceiling would anyone be upset about the Bs going down or Pineda getting hurt. But I guess someone can say if Hughes and Joba lived up to the praise Pineda would probably stil be with the Ms

    *****

    Rays are very good – media and prospect fans darlings – but they have NOT been to the ALCS since 2008 – - – -

  3. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    True they haven’t

  4. blake November 15th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    @BNightengale: Selig says the #marlins trade is under review

  5. blake November 15th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    @PWSullivan: Garza is cleared to resume offseason routine after scan of right elbow. All good.

    Cashman is excited

  6. CompassRosy November 15th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Seattle Mariners ?@Mariners
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    Finally! The minuscule/poor quality video board at Safeco Field has long been my sole complaint about my “summer home” (no excuse for it, especially in such a technologically advanced city).

    Now, if only the M’s can acquire some offense (to go along with the awesome pitching and defense) that is worth watching on the new big screen ;)

  7. blake November 15th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    @jonmorosi: In MVP debate, consider the closing argument: Miguel Cabrera 1.079 OPS from Aug. 24 through end of season; Mike Trout was at .824. @MLBONFOX

    Ok Sabermetricians unite and tell me how this can be true…..that Trout didn’t even play in April ….and that he should still be the MVP over Cabrera

  8. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    Ok Sabermetricians unite and tell me how this can be true…..that Trout didn’t even play in April ….and that he should still be the MVP over Cabrera

    Because OPS over a selected end point is useless. That huge advantage for a month and some change left him with only a .30 point OPS lead on Trout, so factoring in defense & base running Trout still blows him out of the water. Trout also leads him in WPA. Which is a counting stat not a rate stat. So in a month less playing time Trout managed to do more things in reality that helped his team win games than Cabrera did.

  9. blake November 15th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    “Because OPS over a selected end point is useless”

    A season itself is somewhat arbitrary….it’s the mVP of the 2012 season ….not the best player award….and Trout didn’t play in April and didn’t really hit in September when they were pushing for the playoffs either

  10. G. Love November 15th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    “blake November 15th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
    @PWSullivan: Garza is cleared to resume offseason routine after scan of right elbow. All good.

    Cashman is excited”

    Pack your bags Gary Sanchez!

  11. blake November 15th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    “Pack your bags Gary Sanchez!”

    And more…….

  12. blake November 15th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    The AL MVP is going to be greatly debated…..I think both guys are deserving and it’s very close.

    My take is that Trout was the best overall player in baseball from May-August and he might be the best player in baseball on general……but because Cabrera played the entire season and crushed in September and won the triple crown carrying his team to the playoffs…..he would get my MVP vote this year

  13. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    I’m so confused.. do people really think the Yanks will only dip under the LTT (luxury tax threshold) for one season?

  14. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    A season itself is somewhat arbitrary….it’s the mVP of the 2012 season ….not the best player award….and Trout didn’t play in April and didn’t really hit in September when they were pushing for the playoffs either

    There is nothing arbitrary about the entire season. The best player is the most valuable, so yes it is the ‘best player award’. Mike Trout’s team won more games with him playing than Cabrera won over the same time period. Trout did more winning things than Cabrera. Higher WAR, better defense (by metric OR eye test), vastly superior base runner. Cabrera may be the most valuable hitter but his advantage ends the moment he is out of the batters box. And it isn’t even that much of an advantage.

    Cabrera’s offensive advantage is entirely from hitting for slightly higher average and with more power. Trout got on base more, so he made less outs, and he cleans up on the bases and on defense.

  15. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Cabrera ‘carried’ his team to a worse record than the Angels, good job, Miggy.

  16. blake November 15th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Jerkface says:
    November 15, 2012 at 1:03 pm
    Cabrera ‘carried’ his team to a worse record than the Angels, good job, Miggy.

    That’s not an argument…..but they did make the playoffs and the Angels didn’t…..maybe if Trout would have gotten to play in April and maybe if he hasn’t OpS like .800 down the stretch then the Angels would have made it…..and then maybe Trout should have won the award.

  17. pat November 15th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

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  18. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Comment From Jacksquat
    I don’t think they are going back over 189 in 2015. What makes you think that? Maybe you could ask?

    LOL – Good question jacksquat.

  19. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    do people really think the Yanks will only dip under the LTT (luxury tax threshold) for one season?

    —————–

    i think some ppl do because all you hear is 2014…2014…2014. I’ve seen fans say ok they are under 189(real number 179) for one season and boom they can spend the very next yr.

    Fans have brought it up more than once that it makes more sense to be under it for 2 straight yrs. I think RAB had a post about it a whole back.

  20. DONNYBROOK November 15th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Very intelligent Rountable Discussion over at MLB Network\ Hot Stove, regarding the AL MVP\ Cabrerra vs Trout. Had Mad Dog and Keith Olbermann on the panel. Olbermann was a Stat Geek and had index cards of info at the ready, and a paper back book he was waving around. Mad Dog was Old School, and rattled off thoughtfully intelligent arguments right off the top of his head. Of course, the Old School’ers carried the day. The fact that Olbermann issa Poster Boy for the New Stats that some of you worship, says plenty about this approach to constructing\evaluating a team or a player.

  21. blake November 15th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    JF,
    All those things make Trout a better player but they don’t necessarily make him the most valuable player for the April-September baseball season.

  22. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    I just don’t understand how journalists (no offense Chad) can say things like they’ll only have to get under for one year and just make the assumption that’s as far as it will go… when the benefits of being under for multiple years (for the Yankees specifically), is even more enticing.

    Shouldn’t someone ask? Why haven’t they so far??

  23. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    All those things make Trout a better player but they don’t necessarily make him the most valuable player for the April-September baseball season.

    UH yes they do. How is being an ultra-top-elite base stealer for the 2012 season, and a GG candidate/fielding bible award winner/whatever nike defense award winner for the angels NOT applicable to this discussion?

    And dude, the Angels won more games than the Tigers. They started in a huge hole too, so Trouts impact was felt GREATLY. Wow it really sucks that the Angels only won more games than the tigers, if only Trout had been even more valuable.

  24. pat November 15th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    MLB_PR NEWS: @Yankees will be subject of a new Broadway production, from makers of Lombardi & Magic/Bird

  25. DONNYBROOK November 15th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    It’s a close race, but check out Trout’s stats down-the-stretch vs Cabrera. That’s the Clincher. CASE CLOSED.

  26. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Yea Trout stole 18 bags only getting caught twice down the stretch while playing gold glove ball and getting on base @ a .382 clip. Case closed, Trouts the MVP.

    Love the number munchers having to fall back on ‘numbers down the stretch’ for Cabrera, ignoring that if you watched the games you’d see Trout playing 100% of the game not 33% like Miggy.

  27. DONNYBROOK November 15th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Yea, imagine that. Judging an MVP on how he performed in Aug and Sept.

  28. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Is it Monthly Valuable Player?

  29. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Cano hit .615 .628 1.026 1.654 in the last 2 weeks of the season, propelling his team from potential wild card to division clinch. Clearly the MVP.

  30. blake November 15th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    I disagree JF…..it’s close….but I’m giving it to the guy that played the whole season and raked in September …..Trout is deserving an if he wins I won’t have a problem with it

  31. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Cabrera only hit .313 .353 .500 .853 in the last 2 weeks of the season. :( No MVP for him :(

  32. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Trout hit .361 .465 .694 1.160 in the last 2 weeks of the season. Runner up for Trout to Cano!

  33. blake November 15th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    RA Dickey isn’t the best pitcher in the NL but he should have won the CY young because he deserved it fr the 2012 season …..

  34. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Lol, I love it when Jerkface goes crazy.

    You keep going crazy, bro. Now is the time!!

    Incidentally, it’s also time for lunch (aka, a sleeve of Tates).

  35. blake November 15th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Trout hit zero in April because he didn’t even play

  36. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    It doesn’t matter how many games Trout played if he was more valuable in the amount of games he played than the player who played all the games. If Barry Bonds plays 130 games and hits a ton of HRs & has a ridiculous slash line, he is still more valuable than the player who plays 161.

  37. blake November 15th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    ” If Barry Bonds plays 130 games and hits a ton of HRs & has a ridiculous slash line, he is still more valuable than the player who plays 161.”

    Not if it’s code which this race is…..

  38. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    RA Dickey isn’t the best pitcher in the NL but he should have won the CY young because he deserved it fr the 2012 season …..

    What kind of stupid argument is this, Blake? RA Dickey was the best pitcher *this year* in the NL, so of course he deserved it. There is nothing predicative about the stats which say Trout is the best.

    He is the better base runner now and in the future. He is the better defender now and in the future. He is as good a hitter *now*. He was the best player in the game *this year* so of course he deserves the MVP.

  39. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Not if it’s code which this race is…..

    Its only close if you ignore 66% of the game.

  40. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Cabrera already won the award for ‘best hitter’, the Hank Aaron award. Now we can safely factor in base running, defense, and all that good stuff and agree that Trout is the best.

  41. blake November 15th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Close I mean

  42. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    People in this chat asking about the 189… they should read my article. Chad you should pinch hit it early!

  43. blake November 15th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    “What kind of stupid argument is this, Blake? RA Dickey was the best pitcher *this year* in the NL, so of course he deserved it”

    Right he was the best pitcher “this year”. He’s not the best pitcher…..

  44. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Right he was the best pitcher “this year”. He’s not the best pitcher…..

    Dude, but what does this mean is my point above? Trout was the best player *this year* so what are you talking about?

  45. blake November 15th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    Best player in baseball: Trout
    Most deserving of the MVP: Cabrera.

    I believe they are different things…..if you do not believe they are different and separate then fine ….vote for Trout

  46. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    But if Trout is the best player in baseball… he is the most valuable. Your logic doesn’t make sense.

  47. blake November 15th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Because you can be the best and most deserving player for a season without being the actual best player overall IMO…..if that weren’t true the the same player would win the award every year

  48. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    These arguments from ESPN say it all:

    Jerry Crasnick: I’m not a WAR-monger by any means. But I have to go with Trout’s overall offense, defense and speed package over Cabrera’s transcendent bat.
    Eric Karabell: Trout adds value for defense, baserunning and produced historic offensive numbers himself, for any age.
    David Schoenfield: Simple: Trout had the better all-around season and that makes him the MVP (oh, and the Angels won more games than the Tigers).
    Jon Sciambi: Trout impacted the game overall — offensively, defensively, running, etc., more than any player in baseball.
    Jayson Stark: He was a more valuable, more complete baseball player than Cabrera — for a team that won more games than Cabrera’s team — and, with all due respect to Cabrera, had a season unlike ANY other player in history has ever had.

    The Cabrera arguments are ‘triple crown, playoffs’ aka not arguments.

  49. DONNYBROOK November 15th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    Nothing worse than a Stat Geek throwing a hissy fit.

  50. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    Because you can be the best and most deserving player for a season without being the actual best player overall IMO…..if that weren’t true the the same player would win the award every year

    But trout is the best player this season… by lots of different methods. How come you ignore defense & base running?

  51. Villa Nova-Ya November 15th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    As I understood it, the Yankees need to be under the 189 for multiple years, but not forever – I think through 2015 or 2016? The benefits begin almost right away, but to get the full benefit of reduced LT, they have to be under for 2 or 3 seasons.

    We won’t know until the time comes, but I am hopeful that once they get to the 0% LT, they will not be AS reluctant to go over a cap if they need to, because they won’t be penalized at the rate that were being penalized. But if they get their house in order over those three years, and with some existing long-term contracts finally getting to the end of the tunnel so to speak, perhaps they don’t HAVE to go over any cap. Time will tell.

    Seriously, at some point, you do have to question spending like there’s no tomorrow, when all they had to show for it was one WS victory from 2001-2012.

    The Yankees have to stay competitive and they have to keep an “attractive” team on the field. Otherwise, they cannot support the stadium they built in better economic times. The Yankees have to remain “must see” baseball. And they have to be an item on an out-of-towners list of things to see in NY. I don’t know how they’re going to do it, and maybe they’ve figured it all out as far as what they can stand to lose in the next couple of years, but no one’s paying 1500 for a luxury seat to see the Baby Bombers.

    I know this years list of Free Agents isn’t all that hot; does anyone have an idea of the next two years, what they might be passing on (I’m assuming they sign Cano)? Could this be timed well from the standpoint that the really wouldn’t want to be giving out ridiculous contracts during a period of relatively mediocrity in FA?

    The Angels didn’t start winning until Trout was added to the mix. He really made a difference on that team. Cabrera had a great year. It all comes down to the age old is the MVP the best player, the best hitter, or the guy who had the most positive impact for his team? I think Trout should win it, but with the parameters being as nebulous as they are, you really can’t argue against Cabrera too loudly. Plus, it usually seems to come down to how a player did toward the end of a season, rather than in the beginning. That’s how Derek Jeter lost the MVP to Morneau in 2006, pretty much, isn’t it?

  52. DONNYBROOK November 15th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Beautiful. Once someone is Forced to run to ESPN for support, the battle is Lost.

  53. Bronx Jeers November 15th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    pat November 15th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
    MLB_PR NEWS: @Yankees will be subject of a new Broadway production, from makers of Lombardi & Magic/Bird

    —————————————–

    How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying…the story of the Steinbrenner Bros.

  54. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    As I understood it, the Yankees need to be under the 189 for multiple years, but not forever – I think through 2015 or 2016? The benefits begin almost right away, but to get the full benefit of reduced LT, they have to be under for 2 or 3 seasons.

    We won’t know until the time comes, but I am hopeful that once they get to the 0% LT, they will not be AS reluctant to go over a cap if they need to, because they won’t be penalized at the rate that were being penalized. But if they get their house in order over those three years, and with some existing long-term contracts finally getting to the end of the tunnel so to speak, perhaps they don’t HAVE to go over any cap. Time will tell.

    If the Yankees go under the limit for 2014, their luxury tax resets to 0% and next time they go over it will start at 17.5%. If they go under for 2014-2015 then they are guaranteed to get 100% of their revenue sharing rebates from 2014-2016 even if they go over the luxury limit in 2016.

    The ‘rebates’ that are causing this budget pinch will no longer be applicable after 2016. The CBA will be renegotiated for 2017, so I’m sure MLB will put some other treat in there to keep the payroll down by playing to the Yankees greed.

  55. jacksquat November 15th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Not a criticism, just an observation, Chad seems to be just as conservative as the yankees.

  56. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    JF where is your article?

  57. Villa Nova-Ya November 15th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Jerkface -

    Thanks for that clarification.

    MLB really shouldn’t be so worried about the Yankees. A good Yankees team is good for baseball. Lots of money is generated by Yankee Hate!!

    Plus, the Yankees spending money doesn’t mean no other team can win.

    I’m not sure the Yankees are doing this because they’re greedy so much as they’re just tired of paying more than everyone else and they may as well use this to their benefit for the time being. But I’m much more a wait and see type regarding baseball, and I don’t care if my opinion turns out to be wrong. LOL

  58. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    AAO,

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....e-yankees/

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 15th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    “BTW “One never knows when an Aaron Small is going to appear” sounds like a mantra that Cash repeats every night. Unfortunately it’s not a sound strategy for making your team better. ”

    Tar, I think you missed my point there. It had nothing to do with strategy. It had to do with the reality that it’s that it is impossible to know the outcome of a season based on names on a paper. It’s impossible to know that a Tim Lincecum might have a terrible season, any more than it’s possible to know that a Barry Zito might put in a dandy season. That’s what I was talking about when I talked about the uncertainty. There is no certainty. If there were Murderers Row and Cano would have sported WS rings and the same with the 2011 Suxers.

    My true belief is that anything short of a World Series victory will have a large number of posters in here in a finger-pointing tailspin because they cannot accept anything short of winning the whole thing.

  60. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Thank you JF

    And for anyone that is interested they are having the AL MVP roundtable debate on the MLB Network right now.

  61. blake November 15th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    JF,

    How come you ignore the games Trout didn’t play and that Tori Hunter was their best player down the stretch?

    Again if Trout wins I won’t have a problem with it…. He’s awesome….but Id vote for Miggy

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