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Thursday notes and links: Jeter ready for Opening Day?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 15, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Speaking at Yankee Stadium today, manager Joe Girardi acknowledged that Derek Jeter’s rehab from a broken ankle might take too long for Jeter to be ready for Opening Day.

“He’s still basically non-weight-bearing, I believe,” Girardi said. “So, I really believe it might be a little push (for Jeter to be ready for the season opener). But I believe he’ll find a way to get ready for the season.”

It’s still premature to know anything one way or another. Jeter’s not all that far removed from surgery, and it’s still too early to know how quickly or how well his rehab will go.

“You have to get the full strength, and maybe you’re not able to start doing the things you normally would in January,” Girardi said. “So I think there’s a little bit of a question, but I think he’ll find a way, because he always has. That’s who he is.”

• If you missed it, Detroit’s John Lowe gave Raul Ibanez a 10th-place vote on his MVP ballot. I honestly wouldn’t have given Ibanez a 10th-place vote on an all-Yankees ballot. Both New York voters — George King and Mark Feinsand — had Jeter ahead of Robinson Cano on their ballots. So did seven other voters.

• Yankees general manager Brian Cashman is once again sleeping on the street in support of Covenant House. Speaking there, Cashman told Bruce Beck that he’s planning to stay patient in these early stages of the offseason: “We’re going to be more patient and careful and hopefully strike when the iron is hot,” Cashman said. “… You usually have to pay a lot more if you want to move on the front end.”

• Five teams did not have a single player get a single vote on any MVP ballots: Red Sox, Royals, Indians, Astros and Rockies.

• Although the Yankees reportedly have some level of interest in Marlins pitcher Ricky Nolasco, Miami’s president has said Nolasco won’t be traded. “I guess I would say if the phone rings and something crazy happens (Nolasco could be traded,” David Samson said. “But I would expect him to be here.’’

• The Nationals have signed former Yankees minor leaguer Ray Kruml to a minor league deal.

• The Yankees Triple-A team has a new name, and their Double-A team’s ballpark has a new name. It’s been announced that Trenton’s ballpark is now ARM & HAMMER Park. And yes, I believe the proper spelling has all of the letters capitalized, which is a shame.

• Voices Against Brain Cancer announced that Players Association executive director Michael Weiner is the recipient of the non-profit’s 2012 Vision of Hope Award.

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219 Responses to “Thursday notes and links: Jeter ready for Opening Day?”

  1. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Chad,

    What do you think of the RailRiders? I think it is a fiasco.

  2. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    I’m am not surprised by that news on Jeter.

    I actually anticipated it though I am sorry to actaully hear it.

  3. jmv November 15th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    I’d like to know what kind of injury did Jeter suffer. Most ankle fractures aren’t that complex

  4. jacksquat November 15th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    Mark Feinsand
    New York Daily News
    NY

    Cabrera
    Trout
    Jeter
    Beltre
    Jones
    Hamilton
    Cespedes
    Soriano
    Verlander
    Rodney

    lol, Soriano and Rodney more valuable than Cano, what an idiot.

  5. pat November 15th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    and by contrast a writer who isn’t as thin skinned as the guy from Dallas….

    craigcalcaterra
    For those kids in my house carping about the dinner I made tonight, a quick reminder: It’s MY DINNER.

  6. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    jmv-

    It required surgery and Jeter, though he is Superman, is in his late 30′s.

  7. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    Yes, Brian, players will cost more early on because they are the desired players. Glad you’re waiting for them to be gone.

  8. blake November 15th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Feinstein has something against Cano

  9. jmv November 15th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Nice point, MTU! D@mn kryptonite…

    Still shouldn’t be that bad. Will ask my wife about it. It isn’t my territory

  10. blake November 15th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    @MinorLeagueBlog: #Yankees Slade Heathcott finished 2nd in the Arizona Fall League in OPS.

  11. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    jmv-

    It was not a simple fracture if it required surgery.

    In addition, there may have been some ligament damage.

    He was playing hurt on that ankle for quite some time before it finally gave out.

    That’s why I said earlier in the day that Jeter always leaves it all on the field and is heroic.

  12. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    @MinorLeagueBlog: #Yankees Slade Heathcott finished 2nd in the Arizona Fall League in OPS

    Even though AZFL is a hitters league, it is awesome that Slade tore it up as hard as he did. If he is strong out of the gate next year I could see him getting a look in the 2nd half. If the Yankees are aggressive and want to try and get under the 189 limit while fielding a good team that is.

  13. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    What do Aaron Rowand and Slade Heathcott have in common ?

  14. blake November 15th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Getting Hearhcott and Austin to the big leagues by the end of 2013 would be very helpful to the budget….. If they were productive of course

  15. blake November 15th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    What MTU

  16. jmv November 15th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    MTU,

    Most ankle fractures that require surgery aren’t that complex, as far as I know. Unless they involve the articular faces. But, I’ll ask people who really knows (wife, LOL). Anyway, I hope for the best

    And yes, he is a hero

  17. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    They both love running into walls at high rates of speed.

  18. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    I think you can assume Jeter had ligament damage. He likely had some in the weeks he was playing on it. I think it tore leading to the fracture.

    Of course, I only play a doctor on the Internet.

  19. blake November 15th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    He needs to stop that but the kid plays wide open and I love it

  20. Bronx Jeers November 15th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Speaking of ARM & HAMMER, they might as well go ahead and sell the naming rights to Yankee Stadium if it means being able to acquire some exciting players.

    It’s not like the current stadium has anything to do with tradition anyway.

  21. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Blake-

    GB used to say that Heathcott played baseball like a football player.

    Trouble is he doesn’t get the protection.

    So yeah he’d better ease back a little if he wants to have a career.

  22. jacksquat November 15th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Goldman Sachs Stadium?

    Would be appropriate.

  23. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Jeers-

    :)

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 15th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    MTU – things are pretty much back to normal, though parts of the coast were declared disaster areas and cleaning that up will be a long process. But by the grace of God, we suffered nothing the likes of NY and NJ. Just terrible. Some of those poor people are still without power!

    I have a niece who is working on her Ph.D in french horn (go figure) and was actually scheduled to play Carnegie Hall the Wednesday after the storm. Of course that opportunity is a once-in-a-lifetime thing, and her concert was cancelled. It’s called life happens. As an aside, her brother decided to major in Chinese (don’t even ask) and went to work for National Geographic in China after he graduated from college. He came back here and ended up working for an organization in NY that investigates and exposes deplorable working conditions in American sweatshops. I think he was their liason to China. They are the children of my brother who died, and he always encouraged their creativity.

    :)

  25. jmv November 15th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    Good to know you are Ok, Trish!

  26. tomingeorgia November 15th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    MTU,
    GB7 played life like a football player. It’s the way to go.

  27. Zach S November 15th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Thankfully nothing is going to happen on the Ricky Nolasco front. He’s half decent on the Marlins (so inconsistent though), and he’d be awful in the AL east. Yankee fans would hate him.

  28. The Return of Stoneburner November 15th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Flores deserves some love as well – - – -

  29. pat November 15th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    craigcalcaterra
    Biggest (pleasant) surprise of MVP ballots: no one left Braun off some form of PED punishment. No one voted him less than fourth. Good show.

  30. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    Trisha-

    I’m glad to hear your area is OK.

    I have a Sister and Mother who live together in NJ.

    They did not have power for a week. Mother is 87.

    The time to repair some of what has been lost will be measured in years.

    Some of it will be gone forever.

    I can believe the amount of suffering that is still going on. It is deplorable that so many are still suffering.

    As to your relatives. Those are 2 unique young people.

    I’m sure your Brother sees them and is proud.

    I like you LLL. There is much wisdom there.

    Keep eating spicy food and be happy. Time is very short.

    :)

  31. LGY November 15th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Mark Feinsand with one of the dumbest MVP ballots of all time.

  32. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Flores deserves some love as well – – – -

    Flores is cool, I like him because he is a player from the Dominican with an idea of the strike zone. Rare guy. He should be starting in AA next season.

  33. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Tom-

    He possesses a level of courage few of us will ever know.

    I truly hope the present tense is appropriate.

    ;)

  34. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 15th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    jmv – thank you so much. With so much uncertainty in life, I am thankful for every day that my feet hit the floor. I’m also thankful that I decided to live well inland. The ocean, tormented by a hurricane, is so unforgiving. Very frightening. Parts of NY and NJ are still not back to normal and for a lot of people, back to normal is a very long way off – if ever.

    :(

  35. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    I said a few days ago (maybe weeks.. this place is a major time suck..) that it is very possible that the Yanks stand pat for the most part and are waiting to assess things mid year instead of during the off-season. The more I consider it…the more likely I think that’s the route they’re going.

  36. Tar November 15th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    “I think you can assume Jeter had ligament damage. ”

    Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised. I think a lot of people have ligament damage and don’t even know it. It makes you more susceptible to rolling your ankle. But ligaments aren’t really the problem, tendons are. I haven’t read anything that would suggest Jeter tore any tendons.

  37. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Dumb is not the word. How do u leave Cano off and put two relievers on?

  38. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Not much would make me happier than for GB to show up and tell me to quit my bellyaching. I miss him.

  39. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    We all miss GB :(

  40. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    They need to see where Jeter is before doing anything with Nunez. They need to see if Nova or Phelps can step up before they can do anything with Hughes. They need to see if any of the minor league guys can be legit options by mid year.

    I think they resign Mo, Andy, Kuroda, Ichiro and Ibanez and call it a day until they know what sort of team they’ve got by the All-Star break. If the team is nose-diving because of injuries or ineffectiveness, they’ll make a move. If not, they’ll stay the course.

  41. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Shame,

    The Yankees are waiting to see who is left they can sign at a bargain. Cashman, in essence, said as much.

  42. Tar November 15th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    “We all miss GB”

    Sure do.

  43. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Shame-

    No Soria ?

    :(

  44. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Ligament tears are really bad sprains. That too should heal with immobility. I do think they have to keep Nunez as there is no one else in sight to play short.

  45. CB November 15th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Cabrera is obviously phenomenal with the bat in his hands – best hitter in the game – but Mike Trout was the best baseball player I saw last year and was the best by a decent margin. He had the biggest impact on his teams ability to win of any player I watched.

    Would have given him the award. Cabrera is reasonable as well – just don’t think he was the best choice.

    Cone’s quotes from earlier were really telling. As were Girardi’s. It all starts with pitching….

    If the Yanks don’t sign Kuroda it could get very ugly.

  46. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Nix can handle SS.

    But Nunez can use the reps.

  47. jmv November 15th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    “austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
    I think you can assume Jeter had ligament damage. He likely had some in the weeks he was playing on it. I think it tore leading to the fracture.

    Of course, I only play a doctor on the Internet”

    You play a good one, by the way! LOL. Very good point

    Well, gotta go. Nice to see you around.

    Blake, MTU, keep up the good work. Your combo would make a great GM!

    Nite all

  48. LGY November 15th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    I understand the old school thinking of Cabrera over Trout but Jeter over Cano let alone Cano out of the top 10 is indefensible.

  49. jacksquat November 15th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
    Dumb is not the word. How do u leave Cano off and put two relievers on?

    By having an irrational hatred of Cano.

  50. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Shame,

    If you mean they will sell if they are not in the hunt, I agree. They won’t buy. It seems to me they could get more for a full year than half a year.

  51. Pat M. November 15th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Dee Gordon …….

  52. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    CB-

    If rumors are to be believed there is plenty of competition for Kuroda.

    With the Yankees limited to one yr. deals I’m not overly optimistic.

  53. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    MTU – I think that’s a maybe. But every signing outside of Mo and Kuroda will probably be one year, single digit territory. I think they’ll role the dice and see how the team performs for half a season before doing anything… the biggest move I’ll hold out for this off-season is getting Cano extended. If they don’t do that, I will be all a tither for the entire season wondering how the hell we’re going to keep him.

  54. jacksquat November 15th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    MTU November 15th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
    Nix can handle SS.

    But Nunez can use the reps.

    Nix is ok and did a good job. Thing is, Nix is what he is, Nunez could be a lot more and they need to find out.

  55. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    I have said since the season ended, Kuroda is the key. Without him, they will scramble for pitching and the offense will be an afterthought. Plus, if Pettitte doesn’t return. . .oh vey.

  56. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 15th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    “I have a Sister and Mother who live together in NJ.

    They did not have power for a week. Mother is 87.

    MTU that is so awful. They were at the mercy of nature. It’s a helpless feeling and no matter how aggavating it is, you can’t get that power back any sooner than you can, if you know what I mean. I hope that all your mother and sister lost was power. If so, thank God for that.

    “The time to repair some of what has been lost will be measured in years.

    Some of it will be gone forever.”

    MTU, we read about it, and we watch the news, and we are horrified by it all. And those of us with any ability to empathize feel such genuine pain for those people. But in all reality, I don’t think we can begin to comprehend the magnitude of that kind of loss. I shudder every time I think about it. I’ve imagined what it must be like to lose every worldly possession that you own. Forget the material – though that is devastating enough. You have a lifetime of memories that have been washed away for good. I do not know how you recover from something like that, physically or emotionally.

    I can believe the amount of suffering that is still going on. It is deplorable that so many are still suffering.”

  57. blake November 15th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    “If the Yanks don’t sign Kuroda it could get very ugly.”

    I’m not sure what they do if he leaves….I fear a bad trade for a Garza or somebody like that who is a good pitcher but they’ll have to over pay for him…..if Kuroda leaves it really messed everything up….they have to scramble for pitching then and won’t be able to address the offense (if they ever were going to anyway)

  58. jacksquat November 15th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Shame, who is catching, the Italian Stallion?

  59. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    By having an irrational hatred of Cano

    ——————-

    I thought Mark was better than that.

  60. blake November 15th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Pat M. says:
    November 15, 2012 at 10:10 pm
    Dee Gordon …….

    For who?

  61. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    Kuroda is the gear that engages other gears and allows the wheels to turn.

    Meaning: He makes trades possible.

    ;)

  62. LGY November 15th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Feinsand hates Cano and loves Hughes

  63. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Pat M.,

    I hope Gordon has aheck of a glove since his bat is pretty bat–.561 OPS. I think I would rather watch Nunez’ errors.

  64. blake November 15th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    “Meaning: He makes trades possible.”

    He does….because if he’s on board then it gives them the security to shop one of the only tradable assets they have which is Nova , Phelps , and Hughes…..if Kuroda and Pettite aren’t signed then you can’t shop any pitchers really

  65. jacksquat November 15th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    Garza could only make it through half of 2012, so maybe that would keep the Yankees away.

    Plus, trading Montero for Pineda is a much different type of deal than trading prospects for a mediocre one year pitcher, so I’m not sure this fear is warranted.

  66. RMS November 15th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    “We all miss GB”

    ———————————————————————–
    What happened to him?

  67. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    MTU,

    I love it when you talk mechanical. Did you work for Cogsworth Cogswheels? Spaceley’s Sprockets?

  68. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    mac – Don’t think they’ll sell exactly.. I think they’ll just know what parts they can really spare right now whereas at this moment it’s a bit fuzzy.

    For example: Jeter is really a question mark to start the season and I do think it may take him some time because his off-season routine will be delayed (Jeter made it sound in a more recent interview as if he basically has to work out all year round instead of taking any extended breaks because he’s older and can’t get back in shape as quickly). So you want to hang onto Nunez for at least a little while to make sure Jeter can have time to get it together. Could also increase Nunez’s value if all goes well.

    With the rotation… if we wanted to make a trade right now, at least one of those guys would have to be included. But determining who isn’t so simple and seeing how things shake out with them (and Pineda) will be key.

    BP is a similar situation with Montgomery on the horizon. Can he be a factor? Will Joba be able to stay on the field? Can Robertson bounce back from a bit of a down year for him? And of course, can Mo still be Mo after a year on the DL? Those are all in house questions.. if there is one thing I know, it’s that Joe can piecemeal a pen together with guys we already have for 80 games. So they may stand pat there as well.

    The final big question is the OF… I think they end up going with Ichiro and Ibanez (who ended up not being completely awful last year, though admittedly you don’t want him out there often) and pray to god an Almonte or Heathcott can be realistic options mid year. If no one is standing out or knocking on the door, they look elsewhere.

  69. blake November 15th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    “Plus, trading Montero for Pineda is a much different type of deal than trading prospects for a mediocre one year pitcher, so I’m not sure this fear is warranted.”

    Hope you’re right….but Cashman will pursue pitching if Kuroda leaves and unless Haren will do a one year deal there isn’t a lot else out there and all the other GMs know it to…..they’ll hold the Yanks hostage in trade talks

  70. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    Trisha-

    If one lives long enough you see it all.

    Many bullets have been dodged in the past. This one wasn’t.

    Unfortunately, there is more to come I fear.

    Mother nature can be a cruel taskmaster. We are never prepared for calamities on this scale. Never can be. Never will be.

    Our lives are microseconds though we see them as years.

    Good thing there is Eternity.

    :)

  71. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    What happened to him?

    He died, probably.

  72. jmills November 15th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Rock on, Sir Jeter.

  73. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 15th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    I’m glad to know that our lohuddites ended up being safe and sound.

    I’d give anything to know the same of GB. I’ve always believed that no news is good news. Part of my co*keyed optimism I guess. But I’d sure feel better if we could verify that about GB.

    :(

    Well, it’s been nice hanging with this gang tonight. I truy like this branch of our family.

    :D

    Night all. Be well and share the love.

  74. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Unfortunately, Kuroda strikes me as the type that might not be swayed by cold hard cash as much as a desire to play in the location he wants…. but if I’m Cash (and not a Team Greedy Member that would want him for two.. just in case!) I’d offer him a bundle of money for one year. I don’t care if you need to go to $18 million. You do it.

  75. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    I don’t think I can handle another season of watching Ibanez. he had a better than expected season, but it was still mediocre. Atrocious avg & obp & defense.

  76. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    Mac-

    “She says she loves my tractor. She thinks it sexy.”

    Gears, blades, wheels and all.

    :)

  77. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    RMS November 15th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    “We all miss GB”

    ———————————————————————–What happened to him

    ——-

    No one knows

  78. CB November 15th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    “With the Yankees limited to one yr. deals I’m not overly optimistic.”

    This really shouldn’t be an issue – which is why Kuroda is so valuable to the Yanks. As great as he was on the field last season his value to this club at this time surpasses even his on the field value due to his desire to take short term deals.

    The years shouldn’t be an issue here. If the Yanks had to do to 18M or so to get Kuroda he’s well worth it.

    If Kuroda changes his made and wants a 2 yr deal – that changes things. But for right now the Yankees would be extremely foolish to get out bid on a 1 yr deal.

    That said- going back to last winter I felt Kuroda to the Yanks was clearly the most obvious move that had to be made across baseball. And it took way longer than it should have. Seemed like Cashman may have had to convince Hal to approve the expenditure.

    And if Andy comes back he’ll be much more expensive than he was last season.

    That said – they have no reason to get out bid on him. If they do then the problems are much deeper than it even seems right now.

    But given how things have gone it’s difficult to predict what the organization is thinking.

  79. jmills November 15th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    MTU,…many times, I don’t want eternity. ” The big sleep “, right Jim Morrison?

  80. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    jacksquat November 15th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Shame, who is catching, the Italian Stallion?

    ————-

    F*ck.. I think I just blocked that whole situation out.. Personally, I actually do think Cervelli and Romine give you a .175 BA and .. what did Russell have?.. like 9 HRs in the first half??

    Yeah.. I don’t spend money there if I’m Cash (and not a member of Team Greedy who would trade for Joe Mauer… DH/C!!).

  81. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    If you wanna watch Johnny Damon play in the WBC qualifier for Thailand go here: http://web.worldbaseballclassi.....9&v=3

  82. blake November 15th, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Jerkface says:
    November 15, 2012 at 10:24 pm
    I don’t think I can handle another season of watching Ibanez. he had a better than expected season, but it was still mediocre. Atrocious avg & obp & defense

    He got an MVP vote

  83. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    LGY November 15th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Feinsand hates Cano and loves Hughes

    —————–

    Pitching is key! :D

  84. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    He got an MVP vote

    Realize this occurred before the playoffs and know that you are staring madness in the face.

  85. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 15th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    “Good thing there is Eternity.”

    :)

    I’d like to thank mother and father MTU for raising such a special and wonderful son. You are a very centering person, MTU.

    **********

    JF – I’m not thinking he died. Nobody’s been able to find anything to indicate such, like an obituary. And I know people have looked. Anyway, I’m praying he’s still with us. I hope he is.

  86. jacksquat November 15th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    I don’t think it’s money with Kuroda. He’ll ask for an appropriate amount, but I don’t think he’s going once place over another for 1 mil more. And by all accounts he doesn’t want more than one year. Dodgers are a possibility since that was his first US home and they are putting together a team that may have more of a chance of reaching the WS than the Yankees.

  87. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    Feinsand hates Cano and loves Hughes

    —–

    Which is weird because yrs ago he was banging the keep Hughes as a reliever n let him become the future closer drum

  88. blake November 15th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    If Kuroda does leave then I think you try to get Haren to do a one year deal and roll the dice on his back…..if that doesn’t work then I have no idea…..Colby Lewis? They aren’t paying for Grienke……I guess there is always Sweaty Freddy

  89. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    CB-

    I fear he is looking for a multi-year at this point.

    or at least being tempted with one.

    I agree if it is just a matter of money on a 1 yr. then we should go to the matt and be sure not to come up empty.

    It should not be taking this long IMO. I consider it a bad omen.

    Hope I’m wrong.

  90. Against All Odds November 15th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    Night Trish take care

  91. CB November 15th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    “I fear a bad trade for a Garza or somebody like that who is a good pitcher but they’ll have to over pay for him…..”

    Think the two things that can make this off season very damaging are if: 1. Kuroda leaves or 2. Hal gets a sense that ticket sales are going to drop off significantly.

    Either of those two things happen and the Yanks will be set up to do something rash.

    Kuroda leaves and the Yanks are going to be forced into a corner. And overpaying in a trade for a Garza type becomes very possible.

    If they think ticket sales will drop then they may make a very short sighted move to bring in a “name” player at a cost in talent that far outstrips that “name” player’s worth.

  92. jmills November 15th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    GB7 is understanding, he even spoke to me.

    :)

  93. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    blake – The more I consider it the more I dunno if they can shop any of their pitchers even if they do sign Kuroda. Not just yet. Because 2014 must still, on some level, if there is any plan at all being formulated AT ALL.. be considered lol. I think they hang onto everyone and let this year decide who they keep on for 2014 when Andy and Kuroda are much more doubtful options. CC is your dude that year and that’s all you know for sure. If they need to be under the LTT, they need all the cheap help they can get.

  94. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    Colby Lewis

    Who would we trade for Colby Lewis?

  95. blake November 15th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    “Realize this occurred before the playoffs and know that you are staring madness in the face.”

    Hey he hit that homer against the As that time

  96. jacksquat November 15th, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    I still think they could afford Greinke, but they would need to be very smart about how they handled the rest of the roster, and they would have to be able and willing to go cheap in some spots.

  97. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    Mills-

    No worries. It’s a beautiful thing.

    Trisha-

    It is our Salvation form all this toil and bondage, and a natural continuation.

    I’m in no rush. Mind you. I’m having a good time right here.

    :)

  98. blake November 15th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    Who would we trade for Colby Lewis?”

    Isn’t he a FA?

  99. Tar November 15th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    “Hal gets a sense that ticket sales are going to drop off significantly.”

    Yankee attendance is off 200K from 2010. While MLB attendance was up over 2% last year.

  100. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    I don’t want Ibanez in the field at all.. but I think they just end up signing Ichiro and Ibanez. They’ll go with Granderson/Gardner/Ichiro and if someone goes down maybe get Dickerson in the mix hopefully keeping Ibanez at DH where he belongs.

  101. blake November 15th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Ah I see Lewis signed a one year deal ready….didn’t resize that

  102. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 15th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    MTU – I hear ya. To quote Irene Cara, I’m gonna live forever.

    ;)

    Night for real.

  103. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Kind of jumping back to Chapman, but I wanted to reference this IATMS blog post: http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....ee-agents/

    Chapman’s ceiling was/is an elite left handed starter. He signed for 6/30, but 16 million of that is bonuses spread from 2010 to 2020, so the actual hard money hit each season was significantly less. He did not get an opt out clause, so any time he spends in the minors increases the teams control of him beyond even his 6 year deal. So we have a guy who signed for ~30 million and whose ceiling is an elite left handed starter.

    What is his mid range? A serviceable left handed starter or an elite left handed reliever.
    What is his floor likely? A very good left handed reliever.

    What did the Yankees do? Commit 19 million dollars to LOOGYs named Damaso Marte & Pedro Feliciano. Why not put that money into the guy with the much greater upside? And in fact, because the bonus money is so spread out, Chapman was cheaper than Marte+Feliciano for 2010-2012. Those guys had a ceiling of ‘good left handed reliever’. Their floor was much worse. Also both are hurt and dumb.

    Just a total misallocation. Jeez.

  104. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Transition to the new reality of 2016.

    Could be a bumpy ride in the meantime but it might be necessary.

    Or it might mean we get a new owner.

    There are breadcrumbs being left on the trail. Not quite sure where they lead just yet.

    But we will know at some point.

  105. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    I still think they could afford Greinke, but they would need to be very smart about how they handled the rest of the roster, and they would have to be able and willing to go cheap in some spots.

    I’d sign Greinke for AJ Burnett money. He is likely to be 100 x better than AJ Burnett.

  106. blake November 15th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    “Why not put that money into the guy with the much greater upside?”

    No clue

  107. blake November 15th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Greinke might get closer to Matt Cain money than AJ Burnett Money and the Yankees apparently think he’s crazy and couldn’t handle nY anyways

  108. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    I’m gonna give Haren some love on a 1 yr. deal.

    :)

  109. CB November 15th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    A point on the Miami-Toronto trade. Miami has been rightly skewered for the deal.

    But the deal is really interesting from the point of view of Toronto. Essentially the Blue Jays are agreeing to not only take on Miami’s outsized financial commitments they were willing to do so while giving up young talent.

    The Jays are paying retail for players in that deal despite the Marlins desire to dump money.

    Two of the key playres the Jays could have signed outright in the free agent market last season.

    Josh Johnson very well could be the key piece from the Jays perspective. But they aren’t getting a particularly good financial deal on him because Buerhle comes along as baggage. And just as important – Johnson represents significant risk. How many innings can they possibly count on from him? He’s recurrently injured.

    Same goes for Reyes obviously. What they they really count on from him next season?

    To me what makes this deal interesting from the Jays point of view is that it’s very telling on what their read is of the future of the free agent market and the scarcity of SS talent.

    This is a trade – similar to the Dodgers-Sox deal – really makes sense if you’ve lost confidence in how “liquid” the free agent market will be in talent. It’s a deal that’s made because you feel that the you just won’t be able to find talent in free agency either because that talent just isn’t going to make it to the market (pitching) or it just doesn’t exist in a significant supply.

    This is a trade that an organization makes because they feel the free agent market is drying up.

  110. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Greinke might get closer to Matt Cain money than AJ Burnett Money and the Yankees apparently think he’s crazy and couldn’t handle nY anyways

    Which is just an excuse not to acquire a good pitcher. Greinke’s problems + NY are so over blown. He is a professional athlete that deals with the media & pitches infront of thousands, if he truly has a lot of social anxiety moving to NY isn’t going to be an issue.

  111. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Also I’m not sure Greinke gets 20 mil per year. He hasn’t been as good as Cain. I can see him getting a Weaver/Wilson contract.

  112. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Of course, FA is crazy so maybe he does being like the only good pitcher on the market.

  113. blake November 15th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    “This is a trade that an organization makes because they feel the free agent market is drying up.”

    I think it is…..but I also think AA just likes to trade….he’d be a great addition to our Lohud fake trade think tank :)

    I do think its a risky deal for the Jays…..basically if Bautista and Morrow don’t stay healthy and if Romero doesn’t bounce back then it won’t make a ton of difference for them…..if everything falls perfect for them though they could be pretty darn good

  114. Jerkface November 15th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Another good IATMS article about Greinke and NY: http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....g-markets/

  115. blake November 15th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    “Which is just an excuse not to acquire a good pitcher. Greinke’s problems + NY are so over blown. He is a professional athlete that deals with the media & pitches infront of thousands, if he truly has a lot of social anxiety moving to NY isn’t going to be an issue.”

    I agree…..I think he’d be fine…..I do think he will get a big contract….

  116. jacksquat November 15th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Greinke did ask, almost begged to come to the Yankees. 1. I don’t think a guy who couldn’t handle it would do that. 2. He may still want to come to the Yankees and wouldn’t require absolute top dollar.

  117. blake November 15th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    CB,

    What do you think of Heathcott ?

  118. tomingeorgia November 15th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Hotel California is a lot like this place, MTU. There are few ways out.

  119. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    The Yankees dismiss all expensive free agents. They are too . . .something.

    When was the last time the Yankees had a new exciting player? Not a solid bet, but a player to follow.

  120. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Solid vet

  121. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    I see the paralell between the Sux and Marlins trades.

    Both desperately needed to clear payroll.

    They both found partners willing to take on significant financial risk.

    In the case of the Dodgers the prize was A-Gon.

    In the that of the Jays JJ.

    It should be interesting to see how it turns out.

    IMO the Dodgers made the worse deal.

  122. jacksquat November 15th, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
    The Yankees dismiss all expensive free agents. They are too . . .something.

    When was the last time the Yankees had a new exciting player? Not a solid bet, but a player to follow.

    That could have been either Montero or Pineda, but…

    Hopefully Pineda gives us something to be excited about later next year.

  123. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    Tom-

    Glad someone caught the Eagles reference.

    One of my favorite bands of all time.

    We take it to the limit around here.

    There is only ocassionally a peaceful, easy feelin’.

    :)

  124. jacksquat November 15th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    The difference between the Red Sox and Marlins is the Red Sox did not trade off their entire roster and they will very likely be spending right back up to near salary cap. Big difference imo.

  125. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Squat-

    Loria screwed the people of Miami, and his team.

  126. austinmac November 15th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    I know you won’t let me down, MTU.

  127. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Mac-

    I won’t. Just take it easy.

    :)

  128. jacksquat November 15th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    You almost have to put Heathcott in CF so he has one less wall to run into. The team could use his type though, put some fire back into this team. Less talking about golf courses at second base…

  129. Bronx Jeers November 15th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    I just hope we all don’t end up singing “Desperado” :shock:

  130. blake November 15th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    Night all

  131. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    I would still like to know which Woman’s photo Soriano had in that hat ?

    I contend that it is Sophia Vergara.

    Any other guesses ?

    :)

  132. tomingeorgia November 15th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    MTU,
    That’s what I hope for GB7, and the rest of us, too.

  133. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    Yeah Tom.

    We can all use that.

    Especially since the sh*t is about to hit the fan.

    ;)

  134. MTU November 15th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Continuing with the Eagles theme.

    I’m runnin’ down the road.

    Take it easy.

    See you at Tequilla Sunrise.

    :)

  135. CB November 15th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    “What do you think of Heathcott ?”

    Very encouraged. Really nice set of tools. Though concerned about his health holding up.

    Just by feel – think he can hit. He’s direct to the ball from what I’ve seen and short. Gets his hands into launch position efficiently. Good bat speed. Think he’ll grow into more power as he matures.

    I can’t tell this exactly – but I think his lower body mechanics have improved (may have?). From clips I remember seeing of him prior he had more movement in his front leg than I liked. But that hasn’t struck me as much by his recent AZL at bats. But i could be off on that. Either way – his lower leg mechanics look pretty quiet to me now.

    He looks good to be a productive up the middle player. Will he be a star? Don’t know. If he exactly the kind of player that the Yanks need and can’t afford to give up? Yes.

    Given how constrained the OF situation is, part of me feels like giving him a shot in the bigs at some point next season but I know rationally that’s probably a bad idea and just rushing him.

    Would love to see he and Mason playing LF and CF for the Yanks at some point in the future.

  136. Bronx Jeers November 15th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    No need to rush Heathcott with Beckett in the NL. :wink:

    But the team could use a player like him in the worst way.

  137. Shame Spencer November 15th, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    MTU November 15th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    I would still like to know which Woman’s photo Soriano had in that hat ?

    I contend that it is Sophia Vergara.

    Any other guesses ?

    :)

    ——————

    …Ahem…

  138. ron November 15th, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    Via Matthew Futterman: News Corp. is closing in on a deal to purchase a minority stake in the YES Network. They have their eye on the nearly 40% share currently owned by long-time investors Goldman Sachs and Providence Equity Partners. The Yankees own about one-third of the network and aren’t selling any portion of their share.

    Last month we learned that the team was looking for investors to buy out Goldman and Providence. News Corp. is a monster, the world’s second largest media group in terms of revenue. They have stakes in FOX, The New York Post, and The Wall Street Journal among many other media outlets. Futterman says YES is likely to raise the monthly fees (which currently lag behind other regional networks) it receives from cable providers when their contracts expire in the coming years.

    In other words, the deal will make the Yankees a ton of money and your cable bill might be slightly higher in the future. Business as usual, really. · (18) ·

  139. jacksquat November 15th, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    Soriano steps off the mound to stare into his hat to read a message he has written that he says is religious in nature, but he won’t say any more: “It has to do with my faith.”

  140. CB November 15th, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    News Corp buying a stake in YES will have significant ramifications on the Yankees and the Steinnbrenner family.

    If the sale goes through for a significant minority position that converts the YES Network’s theoretical valuation into a concrete market price. Goldman has reportedly been trying to sell their share in YES for several years now. Not sure why they haven’t yer- but would guess it’s simply because they haven’t gotten the price they wanted. I’d guess they feel Newscorp is now making them that “fair market” offer.

    It’s been floated that YES is work 3 billion but that’s largely projection – I don’t think a significant portion of the network has been sold recently between partners (could be wrong on that though).

    The Yankees own 34% of YES. If it’s sold at a 3B valuation that makes the Yankees share worth a more tangible 1 billion. If Fox is going in on a valuation over 3B than Goldman and indirectly the Yankees will have done very well.

    It’s interesting. If Newscorp does this deal – they are going to want returns and want those returns in as short a time frame as possible.

    That potentially puts Newscorp in direct conflict with the Steinbrenners. The Steinbrenner’s goal for the near term is to minimize costs in the baseball team to maxmize profits. They’ll be willing to take a certain hit on YES ratings as long as the savings from the team itself off sets that (similar for attendance).

    But what happens to viewership on YES is unknown if the Yanks wind up aging faster than the Steinbrenners are gambling it will and the team’s competitiveness falls.

    If that happens Newscorp will not be happy. They will not be happy with buying in on an expensive, new property only to see that property producing lower than expected ratings and revenues. That would potentially put Newscorp in direct conflict with the Steinbrenners and the Yankees as a team itself.

    Newscorp’s interest will usually be for the Yankees as a team to maximize spending to drive ratings. Star players, etc. Because Newscorp won’t own a piece of the team they aren’t directly invested in the expenses of running the team. They don’t have the feedback loop in place like the Steinbrenners do by being owners of both the team and the nework.

    This potential conflict hasn’t really happened prior between the Yankees and Yes that I’m aware of. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

  141. saucY November 15th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    The BBWAA should change their logo to a dinosaur.

    MVP is becoming as much of a joke as Gold Gloves.

  142. saucY November 16th, 2012 at 12:06 am

    as far as corporate named parks, arm & hammer kind of works….

    didn’t like the RailRiders name at first, but it could be worse. still not crazy about the porcupine on the logo though…

  143. G. Love November 16th, 2012 at 12:28 am

    CB,

    Great stuff on the Newscorp purchase into YES. I was thinking earlier when it was announced how the Yankees slashing payroll and letting bad contracts expire could be in direct conflict to the investment Newscorp is making in the network.

    The network is the team and if the team is going to punt for 3-4 seasons or more and willingly fall back to the pack, this could be a bad investment on Newscorp’s part.

    I wonder if Newscorp got assurances that the Yankees aren’t going to waive the white flag or did they get a significant discount to protect them from the team devaluing itself.

    Outside of the nostalgia of watching Jeter & Mo sail off into the sunset, there is nothing else other than fielding one of the best teams in the league that will keep fans coming to the park and watching on the tube to the levels they have in the past.

    If the Yankees strategy is to punt for awhile, it’d be like buying into Apple while they said they won’t put out a new iPhone or iPad for many years until people get tired of the current versions. The stock will go down eventually and the price you bought won’t stick.

    The Newscorp purchase gives me a glimmer of hope for the off season. Just a glimmer though.

  144. tucker November 16th, 2012 at 12:33 am

    Per the Blue Jays trade, the Marlins got some nice young talent. I am a big believer in Hechavarria, in particular.

    My take on the trade is the Blue Jays saw an opportunity to strike when the AL East is up for grabs. The Yanks and Sox — with a mild threat from the Rays since 2008 — basically have locked up this division for the last decade. The Yanks even longer than that.

    The Orioles and Jays have had no chance, really, to realistically compete. That has changed this last year.

    AA meanwhile has been accumulating assets. Salary dumps (Vernon wells and Alex Rios) and smar trades (Rasmus). He rounds out his roster by both trading good young talent and taking on salary ( not an insignificant risk). He is taking a calculated gamble that taking on these players earning real money and simultaneously jettisoning good young talent is worth the gamble right now because the two-headed monster of the Yanks and Sox no longer control this division.

    Generate enough buzz in Toronto, ticket sales will follow. This is a market that routinely drew more than 3 million fans. The Yanks frugality may have reawakened a long-dormant monster.

  145. Pat M. November 16th, 2012 at 12:38 am

    G. Love…….When this story broke a few days ago the first thing I thought was that either Fox or News Corp is positioning themselves to be in line to buy out The Stienbrenners when that time comes about, and it will come about……Keep in mind they will have controling interest and can and likely will alter the programming in the years ahead…….The Steinbrenners will be out of the game completely by decades end…..

  146. G. Love November 16th, 2012 at 12:45 am

    Pat M.,

    That’s what I was wondering. Could Fox buy a team again? Considering they have the national baseball package I wasn’t sure if that was a conflict of interest.

    If they can buy a team, then I think this was the first step into taking the Yankees.

    The time has come for new owners although the Fox group didn’t exactly succeed with the Dodgers.

    What I can’t wrap my head around about this deal is does this mean cost cutting is paramount or is keeping the team on top paramount? I would think Fox wants the Yankees to be what they have been and not take steps back just to make more money lux tax wise.

  147. tucker November 16th, 2012 at 12:56 am

    One thing you have to consider is Goldman Sachs. This is an investment banking house that is as shrewd as any in the world. If they are looking to sell now, why? Perhaps they finally got the price they wanted or perhaps they see ratings declines over a 2-3 year period.

    Now any investor looking to purchase an asset of this value is not going to make a decision based on a 2 or 3 year window. It is a long-term investment.

    But perhaps Goldman sees now is the time to sell because they won’t get similar value (return) in a deal 2-3 years from now.

    And Pat M., I fully agree that the Steins have an exit strategy. Not sure how soon it will take place, but I expect it will be after 2014 when they reduce the luxury tax hit.

  148. Pat M. November 16th, 2012 at 1:01 am

    G. Love…….I think Fox / News Corp has it’s eye on owning the Premier sports network in NY and not really on owning the ballclub……However, I think the YES situation is just a piece to a larger puzzle……

  149. Nick in SF November 16th, 2012 at 1:30 am

    Is News Corp. also going to be pressuring the Columbia Lions to step it up in the Ivy League?

  150. Pat M. November 16th, 2012 at 1:38 am

    Nick in SF……Knicks 6-0 ???? Raymond Felton ???? Man was I wrong about him

  151. Nick in SF November 16th, 2012 at 1:46 am

    Knicks… rings a bell. Wasn’t there some outrage about a personnel decision they made after last season ended?

  152. Pat M. November 16th, 2012 at 2:27 am

    For all Twinkie lovers , you better start loaded up on them while they’re still around

  153. Cashmoney November 16th, 2012 at 2:42 am

    read some of the MVP stuff… i see both sides of the arguments. I think there are merits for Cabrera or Trout… we are not dealing with absolutes here. in the simplest way i can think of … baseball is play in a complex 3d world where there are so many variables and intangibles that simply can’t be discounted by saber or any other modern baseball stats. anywho, i am not much into awards anyway other than a world series trophy with interlocking NY on it. just my two cents.

  154. yanks61 November 16th, 2012 at 2:44 am

    Good morning everyone. I don’t think anyone has seen yet this post at MLBTrade Rumors late last night:

    “This was a bit before MLB Trade Rumors’ time, but it was on this day in 1886 that the first trade in Major League history took place. The Cincinnati Red Stockings acquired base-stealing outfielder Hugh Nicol and Jamie Moyer from the St. Louis Browns in exchange for rookie catcher Jack Boyle and $400.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#3l9FewO1DVOWBgwE.99

    In the original, of course, Jamie Moyer is crossed out (don’t know why it didn’t stay that way when I copied/pasted?) Anyway, I enjoyed the humor. Jamie must have some great stories to tell about the “old days.”

  155. Cashmoney November 16th, 2012 at 2:56 am

    maybe Moyer was in a separate deal for satchel paige and julio franco.

  156. UnKnown November 16th, 2012 at 3:39 am

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy

    The GOAT.

  157. austinmac November 16th, 2012 at 7:02 am

    I hope if a TV network gets an interest in the team it works out better than the CBS acquisition.

  158. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 7:10 am

    Morning Mac.

    The theory that the Steins are getting ready for a sale is a good one IMO.

    Not quite sure where that leaves the Team and the fans going forward ?

  159. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 7:20 am

    When a corparte entity owns a ball club you can be sure there will plenty of attention to the bottom line.

    I’d rather have a rich and passionate owner.

    Like a Cuban or Illich, or Jeter.

    ;)

  160. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 7:23 am

    sp: corporate

  161. austinmac November 16th, 2012 at 7:25 am

    I agree that corporate ownership is a bad idea. Get a bunch of rich folks together like the Dodgers group and buy the team. The time is now.

    Hal, think of the luxury. Think of the horses you could buy.

  162. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Good morning MTU and Austinmac-

    Saw Skyfall the other day-terrific action packed movie.

  163. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    YT-

    Some feel the sky has been falling here.

    Why go out ?

    :)

  164. austinmac November 16th, 2012 at 7:39 am

    YT,

    Yes, it was a great Bond movie. What else good is playing?

    Day and day I check MLBTR so some hint of Yankee news, but the only news is who they are not interested in. Give me a friggin’ bone.

  165. austinmac November 16th, 2012 at 7:39 am

    Day after day- still earlu

  166. austinmac November 16th, 2012 at 7:40 am

    Wow. I need to go back to sleep if I am to type in public.

  167. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2012 at 7:44 am

    Let’s talk about a different avenue. If Kuroda doesn’t resign with the Yankees, and their team mantra to replace him is with another pitcher that they can trade for with interest in for one year only-a FA at the end of the 2013 season- let’s come up with that pitcher:

    Updated list of FA pitchers: Key is you plan to have them for only one year, unless you feel you’ll resign them for a cheap deal. Which one of these give you the best bang for your buck?

    Starting pitchers

    Bronson Arroyo (37)
    Scott Baker (32)
    Nick Blackburn (32) – $8MM club option
    A.J. Burnett (37)
    Chris Capuano (35) – $8MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
    Chris Carpenter (39)
    Bruce Chen (37)
    Bartolo Colon (41)
    Jorge De La Rosa (33)
    R.A. Dickey (39)
    Gavin Floyd (31)
    Matt Garza (30)
    Roy Halladay (37) – $20MM vesting option
    Jason Hammel (31)
    Aaron Harang (36) – $7MM+ mutual option with a $2MM buyout
    Tim Hudson (38)
    Phil Hughes (28)
    Ubaldo Jimenez (30) – may void $8MM option for 2014
    Josh Johnson (30)
    Jair Jurrjens (28)
    Jeff Karstens (31)
    John Lannan (29)
    Jon Lester (30) – $13MM club option with a $250K buyout
    Colby Lewis (34)
    Ted Lilly (38)
    Tim Lincecum (30)
    Paul Maholm (32)
    Ricky Nolasco (31)
    Mike Pelfrey (30)
    Wandy Rodriguez (35) – $13MM club option with a $2.5MM buyout
    Ervin Santana (31)
    Johan Santana (34) – $25MM club option with a $5.5MM buyout
    James Shields (32) – $12MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Jason Vargas (31)
    Edinson Volquez (30)
    Tsuyoshi Wada (33) – $5MM club option
    Barry Zito (36) – $18MM vesting option with a $7MM buyout

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....xyyjtUG.99

  168. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 7:48 am

    “Give me a friggin’ bone.”

    Try ZZ Top’s song- “Givin’ the dog a bone”.

  169. Bronx Jeers November 16th, 2012 at 7:48 am

    I’d say go out and see Lincoln but then again there seems to be a lot of folks in here from below the Mason-Dixon…. :wink:

    If the Steins were looking to sell one would thin they’d just sell. The Dodger sale set a nice precedent. What would they be waiting for?

  170. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    AJ Burnett-Yankees already paying him and likely you have no interest in retaining him after 2013. Just kidding. :)

    Jair Jurrjens-probably will be nontendered but his knee is a concern.

    lefty Wandy Rodriguez-Pirates would have to kick in some money.

    Edinson Volquez-young and still a strikeout pitcher. With a good year might be worth keeping. Have to look up his contract.

  171. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Jeers-

    In buisness parlance, they’re “positioning the asset”.

    ;)

  172. austinmac November 16th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    YT,

    Good work. I just don’t know how much in salary they are willing to take on this year. Are they struggling to meet Kuroda’s one year demands? Who knows? I hear Floyd might be available. He is a decent option.

  173. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    I’d be happy with Floyd also but only as a backend innings eater.

    Not as a substitute # 2.

    I’m onto Haren on a 1 yr. pillow contract.

  174. RadioKev November 16th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    Maybe the Mets will give us a good deal of RA? ;)

  175. Bronx Jeers November 16th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Well I get all my business training by watching Pawn Stars and you never know what the markets going to be like down the road. If you can get 4 billion today then get it.

  176. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    4 billion in the hand is better than 6 billion in the bush kinda’ thing ?

    It is not easy explaining the inner workings of big bidness.

    I guess I failed. Couldn’t muster my inner tycoon.

    I’ll stick to photography and hiking.

    :(

  177. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    MTU

    Has to be a pitcher who’s a FA at the end of 2013. Dan Haren might get more than a one year deal from somebody this offseason.

    Let the Giants kick in 11M of the 22M owed Tim Lincecum. He doesn’t have a NT. There’s a #2.

  178. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    CB says the FA talent pool is drying up.

    Like a drought in the SW.

    Blake agrees.

    All I can see are “mirages” of what used to be.

    Better grow your own I guess.

    Can’t buy me love ?

    Really ?

    :(

  179. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    YT-

    They are not interested in subsidizing your grandiose schemes.

    :)

  180. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    And “the Freak” cannot pitch w/o his hair.

    ;)

  181. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    I’m getting Haren if I can’t have Hiroki.

  182. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    G. Love, et al-

    If the Yankees are not a winning ball club with star players, they are not “The Yankees” which is a brand unto itself, right?

    I’m having trouble finding the words to say what I want to, but let’s try. People interested in owning the Yankees and/or YES, wouldn’t the attraction of such ownership be that the Yankees draw a crowd, and thus make them money? So, the Steinbrenners will have to be very careful, if they are prepping for a sale, to keep the Yankees competitive at the very least. Because they were competitive last year, but there are people who turned away because they felt something was missing in the excitement department.

    If the Yankees stop being “The Yankees” how does any of this work out? Even for the Steinbrenners – they won’t get the best price if what they’re selling isn’t what it was, right? Or am I totally not understanding how this stuff works?

    Or are what I want as a fan totally at odds with whatever it is that is going on, if anything is going on beyond trying to re-configure the way they work contracts in the future?

    It’s early, and the situation is somewhat complex to consider, especially when we really have no solid idea of what is taking place.
    **
    On another topic, CB brought up that the Marlins/Blue Jays deal could be an indication that the Blue Jays believe that the Free Agent market is drying up for at least the near future. It’s an interesting outlook. And yesterday I said somewhere in my too long posts, that I thought that it was possible that the timing of the Yankees budget cutting coincided with there being mostly mediocre players available in free agency anyway. (I actually asked if anyone had seen a list of the possible FAs for the next couple of years.)

    A sale may or may not be on the horizon, but maybe isn’t such a bad idea for a forced abstinence from signing mediocre players to ridiculous contracts?

  183. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    But Haren might just “morph” into Nolasco or Rodriguez.

    :(

    VN-

    I’m not interested in furthering the cause of mediocrity.

  184. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    VN-

    Do you get paid by the word ?

    :)

  185. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    MTU and crew:

    OK. Kuroda leaves. Starting staff is Sabathia, Nova, Hughes, Phelps and maybe Pettitte.

    Martin takes a 3 year contract and signs elsewhere-Rangers?

    Which players are you targeting on short term low cost contracts? Navarro and Laird already signed. Yankees missed out big time on David Ross.

    Give me some names!!

  186. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    MTU -

    Ugh. I know. I have a problem….

  187. Bronx Jeers November 16th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    No I get it. They’re supposed to be balancing the books and making it look all pretty to get the best price.

    But to me they’re going to beat the hell out of “the brand” trying to get that done with the big contracts on the books. George’s approach was “Damn the torpedoes” and look where it got them. This approach reeks of mediocrity.

    Remember that everybody after the boomers are not so much fans of the Yankees but rather fans if the Steinbrenner Yankees. If that makes any sense.

  188. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    Here’s your FA list recently updated, of players available at the end of 2013 season:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....gents.html

  189. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    Trouble is most of you are from the Star “Serious” whereas I’m from
    “Ridiculous” in the neighboring Galaxy.

    It’s good to lighten the mood sometimes. Isn’t it ?

    It takes fewer muscles to smile than to frown.

    Better to laugh than to cry. Unless you happen to need the salt.

    :)

  190. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    VN-

    I should talk.

    :)

  191. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    And a List of some pitchers available in the next few years:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....sions.html

  192. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    VN-

    I like AJ P. on a 1 + 1.

    Keppinger.

    Soria.

    Ichiro, Sizemore, or Melky.

    if you’re going big Gordon, Upton,or Stanton.

  193. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    Yankee Trader,

    Thanks. A cursory look – not anyone there who knocks my socks off, except for Cano, though a couple look interesting, and there a couple who likely won’t be available (Jon Lester?).

    I just had a wacky thought.

    What if – what if – the Yankees staying out of the FA market (so not driving up prices simply by being in the market) is an wink-wink agreement with MLB? The Yankees get to reset their LT and owners get the entire market to reset, bringing overall salaries down? Collusion without collusion?

    Wacky. Not well thought out. But just a thought that popped into my head.

  194. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    See, MTU, you probably write as much as I do (nah!), but in more frequent, shorter, spurts!

  195. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Bronx Jeers -

    You can refine that definition even further – many young fans are fans of the Dynasty Yankees.

  196. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    By Randy’s rules of % of posts, I need to take a break.

    LOL

  197. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    OK -

    No interest in solving the Yankee holes. Where’s Blake?

    “Climate Right for More Salary Dumps”

    “Do you think it is impossible that, at some point, the Reds recognize that their market might not allow them to have $300 million invested long term in Joey Votto and Brandon Phillips? That the Yankees, with Alex Rodriguez, or the Phillies, with Ryan Howard, are forced to package some goodies with a terrible contract to make those odious pacts vanish? That the Rockies are combining Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez to see what kind of 10-prospect, financial-relief uber-deal can be fashioned?”

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....fZQBLSrK/0

  198. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    YT-

    I listed some of my ideas above.

    You just rejected them is all.

    :(

  199. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    The Rox just said that they intend to keep both Tulo and Cargo.

    Can’t say I blame them.

    ;)

  200. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    Villa-

    Are you using Dragon Speak, or are you just a speedy typist?

    Maybe your collusion theory allows the Yankees and Alex Rodriguez to part ways after this coming season. He retires, contract voided, and is brought in as a special assistant to the commissioner, his new contract paid with previous LT money accrued from all the other teams contributions-which I guess might be about 2-3 teams. :)

  201. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    YT-

    Lot’s of Dragon’s speak around here.

    ;)

  202. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    We could use Erica’s countdown to the start of the season.

  203. 86w183 November 16th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Morning folks

    Did everyone out there sign? I must have missed something.

    There’s a ton of time to go and I have no doubts the Yanks will look significantly different in 2013, especially in the OF. the first moves have to wait for decisions from Kuroda and Pettitte and determining how much $$$ Mariano will insist on.

    I’m definitely in favor of signing Melky and wouldn’t mind adding Justin Upton. That’s two position players in their 20′s which would be a nice change from the Yanks’ over reliance on greybeards.

    Keppinger is a good guy to have on a club and is an upgrade on Jason Nix, but might be an expensive upgrade.

  204. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    So “Wilson”. Here we are on this Island.

    We’re all alone. So why don’t we skip soccer and talk baseball instead ?

    OK. I’ll start. Who do you think the Yankees should get this OS ?

  205. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    YT -

    I’m a regular speedy gonzalez on the keyboards!

    Now THAT would be a great collusion, wouldn’t it?

    Gosh, if ARod’s contract was just a teeny bit shorter, but it’s not…

    See what greed will get you????

  206. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    That’s what I though.

    No answers and you’re not talking.

    :(

  207. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    86-

    Some say patience is a virtue and good things come to he who waits.

    Others say he who hesitates is lost.

    Who’s right ?

    ;)

  208. Bronx Jeers November 16th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    You can refine that definition even further – many young fans are fans of the Dynasty Yankees.

    —————————————————

    True. And if anybody’s gonna jump ship it’ll be them.

    Personally I couldn’t care less about who follows or doesn’t follow the team and who stops buying tickets. But I hope the Yankees do.

  209. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Many of you think that the Yankees can spend big on one year contracts this coming season and then reconfigure for 2014.

    I think they are concerned about this seasons payroll also.

    Let’s say for LT purposes the 2013 year-end calculated on AAV, payroll is 200M. LT is 42.5% over 178M. 22M @ 42.% equals 31.35M out of the Steinbrenners pockets.

    If they spend 200M in 2014 they don’t reset the clock back to LT% of 17.5 and start accruing some other returns. Ibelieve they could reset it in 2015 if they go over in 2014?

    Their LT at 200M less the 189M threshold is 50% on 11M or 5.5M

    I’m feeling no indication that they even are willing to top this seasons threshold!

    Opening day 2012 payroll was nearly 210M per COTs

    Thoughts?

  210. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    YT-

    I don’t think they care how they get under as long as they do.

  211. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    And they’ll do whatever it takes to get there.

  212. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Unless. There’s a serious backlash.

    ;)

  213. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Keppinger hasn’t played SS in years. Like his bat, not his glove.

  214. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Keppinger does not have to play SS.

    He’d be the 2nd and 3b upgrade.

    SS can be Nix or Nunez.

  215. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    MTU-

    My point is that they are looking to slash it this year also.

  216. Bronx Jeers November 16th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    MTU November 16th, 2012 at 8:45 am
    So “Wilson”. Here we are on this Island.

    We’re all alone. So why don’t we skip soccer and talk baseball instead ?

    OK. I’ll start. Who do you think the Yankees should get this OS ?

    ——

    :smile:

    But you might as well ask him what he wants for dinner tonight. I mean we all may want a rib eye with some creamed spinach and a bottle of red wine but we know its going to be coconut and bait fish in the end.

  217. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    YT-

    I don’t think they need to.

    They will do what it takes.

    1 yr deals just drop out.

  218. MTU November 16th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    New one —>

  219. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    New Post————->


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