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Blue Jays agree to two-year deal with Melky Cabrera

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 16, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Blue Jays roster makeover continues, and this time they’re taking a shot on Melky Cabrera.

According to Enrique Rojas, Cabrera has agreed to a two-year deal with the Blue Jays. The contract will reportedly pay him $16 million. That’s not a tiny contract, but clearly the PED bust cost him significant earning ability.

Cabrera is a extreme risk-reward guy. Two years ago in Atlanta, he seemed closer to playing his way out of baseball rather than playing his way into an All-Star game. Then he had a breakout year with the Royals and followed it with a standout year with the Giants, which ultimately ended when he was suspended for elevated levels of testosterone.

Were the drugs the reason for his sudden surge? Was he using without getting caught in Kansas City? Was he getting better anyway and the PEDs helped him maximize on his potential? Will he be able to repeat that success without artificial help?

I’ve written before that I’m skeptical Cabrera can be anything more than a good fourth outfielder or so-so everyday guy. It’s hard to see those huge career spikes and not attribute them to some sort of outside influence, but I also talked to one baseball official at the GM Meetings who thought the opposite. The official told me that Cabrera’s work ethic has changed considerably since he left the Yankees, and he’s now considered a hard worker who’s going to be good even without the drugs. This official said it would be hard for a team with a conservative fan base to sign him, but this same official thought Cabrera would be a great opportunity for someone to buy low.

If the Yankees weren’t willing to give Torii Hunter two years, they surely weren’t willing to give Cabrera two years, but if he produces close to this year’s numbers, he’ll be a real steal in that Blue Jays lineup.

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137 Responses to “Blue Jays agree to two-year deal with Melky Cabrera”

  1. Chip November 16th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    According to Peter Gammons: Scott Boras told the Yankees they should sign Soriano because “no team in the last 50 years has won a championship with a closer 40 or older.”

  2. Tyler November 16th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    I didn’t think Melky could get 8 million a year yet alone a 2 year contract. I thought he’d have to settle for something like 1/5. This is going to be a real hit-or-miss deal. I like it if I’m a Jays fan… I think he’s a .300 + hitter though maybe not quite as good as the SF version from last year.

  3. Tyler November 16th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    The BBWA website has Miguel Montero listed as a Marlin on their MVP ballot… for a minute I thought that happened and then I remembered that would require Jeffrey Loria to take on more payroll.

  4. Benny Blanco November 16th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Let’s say the the yankee front office listened to it’s fan base, went out and signed the following players. What would their payroll be going forward.

    Cespedes
    Darvish
    Chapman

  5. jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Can’t wait for the Ibanez signing! :mad: :mad: :mad:

  6. Tyler November 16th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Benny Blanco November 16th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    Let’s say the the yankee front office listened to it’s fan base, went out and signed the following players. What would their payroll be going forward.

    Cespedes
    Darvish
    Chapman
    —————————————————-

    Those guys will all likely make big money one day but the Yanks would be in a better situation.. all 3 are relatively young and could fit into roles on this team. I still wonder whether Chapman will be given another chance to start or if he’s going to just stay in the ‘pen.

  7. Nick in SF November 16th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Don’t be down on Ibanez; he’s now a legendary fan favorite who’s found the Fountain of Yul.

  8. Tyler November 16th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    After all, Raul was the 10th most valuable player in the entire American League in the mind of 1 sportswriter.

  9. Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Cespedes
    Darvish
    Chapman

    Well Cespedes makes 9 AAV
    Chapman 5 AAV
    Darvish 9 AAV

    So you’d have

    Sabathia
    Darvish
    Chapman
    Starter 4
    Starter 5

    Tex
    2B
    Jeter
    A-rod
    LF
    Gardner
    Cespedes

    Bullpen

    With 60 million budget remaining.

  10. jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Next, AA will sign Kuroda and AP will retire.

  11. Patrick November 16th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Chip,

    The 2013 Yankee roster you posted would be the worst Yankee team of the last 20 years.

  12. Chip November 16th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Next, AA will sign Kuroda and AP will retire.
    —————

    And Mo will retire and Derek’s ankle will have a set back.

  13. Benny Blanco November 16th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Jerkface,

    I just did some research and their salaries are not as large as I originally thought. My guess is that the posting fees would have been alot if you add all of them up.

    Cespedes is 4/36 millon

    Chapman 5/25.5

    Darvish 6/56

    Almost makes me think that the yankees could’ve afforded that trio.

  14. Chip November 16th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Patrick November 16th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Chip,

    The 2013 Yankee roster you posted would be the worst Yankee team of the last 20 years.
    —————

    Like I said, I posted it so that even if it is marginally better I will feel that the worst case scenario has been avoided.

  15. brianlopez22 November 16th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    I’m excited for the 2013-2017 Yankees with Cashman as the GM and Kevin Long as the hitting coach.

    We will set the major league record for striking out in a season.

  16. DONNYBROOK November 16th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    - DONNYBROOK GENERAL PRINCIPLES – (partial list)

    (1) TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS

    (2) A HUNCH IS BASED ON PASSED EXPERIENCE. GO WITH IT.

    (3) NEVER BE AFRAID TO FAIL. BE BOLD.

    (4) DO NOT SIGN PLAYERS THAT HAVE FAILED A DRUG TEST. INTEGRITY IS PARAMOUNT.

  17. dparnas November 16th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    $8 mil per for 2 for Melky? Wow, that is a joke. Any GM worth a damn would have offered only a 1 year deal with lots of incentives to determine how much of his performance the last 2 years was PED enhanced. My guess is a lot and that he’s mediocre at best. Glad the Blue Jays did that. You’d think after Vernon Wells they’d be a little more careful.

  18. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Cespedes
    Darvish
    Chapman

    Well Cespedes makes 9 AAV
    Chapman 5 AAV
    Darvish 9 AAV

    So you’d have

    Sabathia
    Darvish
    Chapman
    Starter 4
    Starter 5

    Tex
    2B
    Jeter
    A-rod
    LF
    Gardner
    Cespedes

    Bullpen

    With 60 million budget remaining.

    ———————-

    Make it stop… my heart can’t take it.

  19. Patrick November 16th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Like I said, I posted it so that even if it is marginally better I will feel that the worst case scenario has been avoided.

    That’s fine, I’m just saying .. that team will finish 4th or 5th in the AL East and be lucky to get 81 wins

  20. Patrick November 16th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    (2) A HUNCH IS BASED ON PASSED EXPERIENCE. GO WITH IT.

    Nice.

  21. AAA November 16th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    INTEGRITY IS PARAMOUNT.

    ===========

    The irony.

  22. Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Any GM worth a damn would have offered only a 1 year deal with lots of incentives to determine how much of his performance the last 2 years was PED enhanced

    You can’t have incentives except for games played.

  23. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    I’m not surprised about Melky.. in the sense that I already have resign myself to what our team will look like next year:

    Gardner
    Jeter/Nunez
    Ibanez
    Cano
    Arod
    Tex
    Granderson
    Ichiro
    Cervelli/Romine/A Warm Body

    If they can stay healthy and have some kids going maybe you see an Almonte or Heathcott mid year.

    If they spend on Soriano I’ll bug out.

    If they spend on Martin I will cry…. more than usual!

  24. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    resigned*

  25. austinmac November 16th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    With this team, closer is the least of their worries. Having a lead will be problematic.

  26. Nick in SF November 16th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    @hankschulman
    Report from ESPN Deported says Melky has a two-year, $16 million deal with Toronto.

    @hankschulman
    Should be ESPN Deportes!

    @hankschulman
    Yes, Toronto is coming to AT&T this year, so Melkmen prepare!

    @scottostler
    Cheaters never prosper: Melky gets only $16 mil for 2 years. Geez, hope he got some incentive clauses.

  27. austinmac November 16th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Melky lied. He can’t be associated with the Yankees. We have Hal “it’s only 10%” and “we haven’t changed our priorities” Steinbrenner and his honesty to live up to.

  28. jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    DONNYBROOK November 16th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
    - DONNYBROOK GENERAL PRINCIPLES – (partial list)

    (1) TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS

    (2) A HUNCH IS BASED ON PASSED EXPERIENCE. GO WITH IT.

    (3) NEVER BE AFRAID TO FAIL. BE BOLD.

    (4) DO NOT SIGN PLAYERS THAT HAVE FAILED A DRUG TEST. INTEGRITY IS PARAMOUNT.

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....this-blog/

    • CAPS LOCK is not allowed.

    Please ban this guy and his login.

  29. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Maybe the bench will be like: Adams, Nunez, Dickerson..

    Not sure what to do with Chavez.. on one hand I like him a lot, but I think I’d rather get Adams out there. In all likelihood, they just re-sign Chavez. Ibanez is your DH/5th OFer. Nunez will have to start for Jeter.. perhaps they’ll keep Nix around.

  30. Benny Blanco November 16th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    The yankees can’t trade nunez now without knowing how jeter will recover from his ankle surgery. Or, they can trade nunez and go with jason nix a short until jeter is 100 percent.

  31. Chip November 16th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Any GM worth a damn would have offered only a 1 year deal with lots of incentives to determine how much of his performance the last 2 years was PED enhanced

    You can’t have incentives except for games played.
    —————–

    I would’ve gone with a moderate first year base salary and then a mutual option.

  32. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Is Stewart still on our team lol? No?

  33. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    I don’t blame Melky for taking the two years.. he’ll likely still be in a good position at 29 if he stays healthy.

  34. tucker November 16th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Well, Toronto seems to be a place where mediocre big leaguers somehow transform themselves into superstars: Bautista, Encarnacion and now we’ll see about Melky …

  35. Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Is Stewart still on our team lol? No?

    Unfortunately, yes.

  36. brianlopez22 November 16th, 2012 at 3:14 pm


    Well, Toronto seems to be a place where mediocre big leaguers somehow transform themselves into superstars: Bautista, Encarnacion and now we’ll see about Melky …

    Melky’s going to the perfect place.
    Where PEDs haven’t been detected yet.

  37. austinmac November 16th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    For those of you who think the 80s and early 90s were bad, far worse can occur. I have been through it in the laste 60s and early 70s. Baseball changed from an entertainment to misery. I had hoped not to see that again. Now, I wonder.

    Look at the lineup and pitching staff. That is not good. Compare, honestly, the Yankees and the Jays. We could do the same thing with a number of teams.

    Perhaps, you don’t win in the off season, but you sure can lose. And lose big.

  38. DONNYBROOK November 16th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    I thought the Jays had learned their lesson with Wells and Rios. They’ll shortly be hamstrung once again.

  39. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    “Only” $16 million.

    Yeah, I know, he could have hit Powerballl. Instead, he hits the mini-lottery. Oh, and he couldn’t play in the post-season. Did his teammates vote to give him a ring or a share?

    I’m really surprised at this deal. First, I figured Melky would get a one-year deal from someone; but second, I figured it’d take until spring.

  40. G. Love November 16th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Trust the Yankees. Stop paying attention to what other teams are doing in the league.

    I really don’t give a hoot about any Blue Jays unless they’re the one’s who live in my yard who tell me secrets and swap recipes with me.

  41. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    It’s still just on paper.

    You still gotta play the games.

    Can’t worry too soon; gotta time your worry just right. Don’t want to spoil the holidays.

  42. austinmac November 16th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Of course, you have to play the games. Generally, teams with better players win. The Yankee players will almost certainly have lesser players than last year with a lesser chance to win.

    But, you’re ultimately right Villa–accept the things you cannot change.

  43. tucker November 16th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Blake mentioned this earlier and I did a day ago. AA sees a wide opening in the AL East with a rebuilding Sox and a older, weakened Yanks. When is the last time the AL East seemingly has been wide open?

    AA is seizing the opening.

  44. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Is Stewart still on our team lol? No?

    Unfortunately, yes.

    ————-

    I thought so.

    It’s okay guys.. a Stewie/Cervelli platoon gives Girardi twice as many ‘e’ names at that position than last year.

  45. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    AA is seizing the opening.

    —————-

    Yeah, probably. :cry:

  46. brianlopez22 November 16th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    tucker,

    you have to give props to Toronto.

    LF – Melky
    CF – Rasmus
    RF – Bautista

    1B – Lind
    2B – Kelly Johnson
    SS – Reyes
    3B – Lawrie

    C – Arencibia
    DH – Encarnacion

    SP – Romero
    SP – Josh Johnson
    SP – Morrow
    SP – Buehrle
    SP – Villanueva

    CP – Santos

    Looks pretty good to me.

  47. Tyler November 16th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Toronto’s staff is still a question mark since Romero was awful last year, JJ is still an injury concern, and Morrow is pretty inconsistent but they definitely have a good team on paper.l That lineup looks really solid.

  48. kd November 16th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    seems to me that the oriels year had a big influence on the jays. they see that the al east can be won, because the perennial powers are fading. my guess is that baltimore is a one year phenomenon, but this jays lineup can be good for a long time

    yankees need offense and for hughes and nova to be 18 game winners again

  49. champ809 November 16th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    that BJ’s lineup will be scary

    Reyes SS
    Melkman LF
    Bautista RF
    Encarnacion DH
    Rasmus CF
    Lawrie 3B
    Lind 1B
    Arencibia C
    Whomever 2B

  50. jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    They’ll probably put Bonifacio at 2B.

  51. brianlopez22 November 16th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    They still have Kelly Johnson too

  52. tucker November 16th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Toronto could use one more starter. Perfect for Kuroda, if that is who they want. We know they are willing to pursue, spend and act quickly — three qualities Cash & Co. Apparently no longer include in their “process.”

  53. fantasygame101 November 16th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    I think the yankees will end up with jason bay and that is if jason bay can not find a better place to be.

  54. brianlopez22 November 16th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    apologies, they don’t.
    Guess he hit FA too.

    And in addition to Villanueva at the 5, they have JA Happ and Kyle Drabek.

  55. tucker November 16th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Baltimore got pretty lucky with their rotation, but they have a good young core of position players with Wieters, Adam Jones and Machado. Three young star position players are more difficult to assemble than a rotation, IMO.

  56. brianlopez22 November 16th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Jason bay’s going back to Boston.
    Cheap alternative + had success in Fenway already.

  57. jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    tucker November 16th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    AA is seizing the opening.

    And Cashman is just seizing.

  58. AAA November 16th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Reyes SS
    Melkman LF
    Bautista RF
    Encarnacion DH
    Rasmus CF
    Lawrie 3B
    Lind 1B
    Arencibia C
    Whomever 2B

    =======================

    Little depth with Izturis and Bonifacio too. I think Arencibia ends up traded though. Buck at C with D’Arnaud coming up mid summer-ish

  59. austinmac November 16th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Yankees current rotation:CC, Hughes, Nova, Phelps and Warren.

    Better or worse than the positional lineup?

  60. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    austinmac -

    I haven’t decided if it’s better or worse to check in here for the latest. On the one hand, I have a need to know, and a more worrisome need to find out what people think about it. On the other hand, maybe it’s better to find another winter hobby and come back in April.

    I try to remain optimistic, and I try to give the people who run this team benefit of the doubt. But I cannot ignore that the Yankees quest for fiscal responsibility seems to be coming at the worst time. Although, I’m not sure there’d ever be a good time, really.

    It’s not what other teams are doing. It’s really not knowing what this team will look like in April. Usually there are enough constants to feel good about, and the fringes really don’t matter too much. I know “they have to play the games” is a platitude and a “duh, of course,” thing to say. But it’s a good reminder at least to myself that winning the off-season isn’t necessarily predictive of winning the season. And the Yankees won the season last year (to an extent) and no one was happy about it. So color me very conflicted right now.

  61. DONNYBROOK November 16th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    In Baltimore, I equate Showalter with Billy Martin. Good for short -term jump start. Bad over the long-haul. The honeymoon with Showlater and his players will end in 2013. That team will echo Clark Gable in “Run Silent, Run Deep”. “Dive, Dive, Dive”.

  62. brianlopez22 November 16th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    do we have to pick?

  63. champ809 November 16th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    By midseason this year the yanks AA Trenton team could look like this

    Mason Williams Cf
    Slade Heathcott RF
    Tyler Austin DH
    Gary Sanchez C
    Ramon Flores LF
    Jose Pirela 2B
    Kyle Roller 1B
    Rob Lyerly 3B
    ? SS

    That’s a pretty stacked AA lineup with high upside position players coming fast

  64. Against All Odds November 16th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    brianlopez22 November 16th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    They still have Kelly Johnson too

    ————————–

    They have like 5-7 outfielders now correct

  65. Chip November 16th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    champ809 November 16th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    By midseason this year the yanks AA Trenton team could look like this

    Mason Williams Cf
    Slade Heathcott RF
    Tyler Austin DH
    Gary Sanchez C
    Ramon Flores LF
    Jose Pirela 2B
    Kyle Roller 1B
    Rob Lyerly 3B
    ? SS

    That’s a pretty stacked AA lineup with high upside position players coming fast
    —————-

    All of which would be great if the Yankees were a franchise that was patient with or used positional prospects in any meaningful way.

  66. Chip November 16th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Against All Odds November 16th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    brianlopez22 November 16th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    They still have Kelly Johnson too

    ————————–

    They have like 5-7 outfielders now correct
    ————–

    Johnson’s a free agent.

    They have Rajai Davis (OF) Bonifacio will probably be the opening day 2b with Davis and Izturis on the bench.

  67. brianlopez22 November 16th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    AAO,
    Kelly Johnson’s a 2B they traded Aaron Hill for.
    But I don’t see him on their roster.

    Bonifacio will play 2B.
    They have Rajai Davis and some other OFers as well, for their bench

  68. ac1 November 16th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Jays are pushing 160M payroll for 2013 as of now.
    Good for them!
    And they are getting a lot for it too…

  69. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    There are gonna be a few teams that lay down bank in the next couple of years with that multi-billion dollar TV deal the league just signed.

    More teams will creep on our payroll.

    More tears will leak from my eyes.

  70. Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    There are gonna be a few teams that lay down bank in the next couple of years with that multi-billion dollar TV deal the league just signed.

    More teams will creep on our payroll.

    More tears will leak from my eyes.

    No doubt, some scumbags will pocket the extra 25 million, but other teams will see that as 2 free premium players 1 free elite player per year.

  71. Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Imagine you’re a team that is on the cusp of competing in the payroll your owner has set out, and then you get a christmas present of 25 million extra a year for the next 10 years. That is a free Robinson Cano

  72. Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    And of course the extra 25 million dollars kicks in the offseason Cano is a free agent :x

  73. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    And of course the extra 25 million dollars kicks in the offseason Cano is a free agent :x

    ——————-

    Cano is gonna bend us over… we are so screwed, it’s unreal.

    (I would like to note if Team Greedy were in charge we would be the exact opposite of screwed because we’d be all, ‘budget smudget.’)

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock November 16th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Let’s change “Cash”‘s nickname to Santa Claus.

    He has given away 3 young hitters since 2010: Melky, AJax and Montero.

    And now he let the first guy get away twice, even though he’s a system guy, even though he would have been relatively inexpensive and on a short-term deal, even though he fits the criteria to a tee of what the Yankee lineup sorely lacks.

    Instead, we let him go to a division rival, who has already kicked our ass this offseason.

    But fear not! Martin and 40-year old Rauuuuuuul! will be back in the saddle to lead us to glory.

  75. Bronx Jeers November 16th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Jays are acting like they smell blood in the water but they’re in the deep end of the pool now.

    See Sox, Red for what can happen in the deep end.

  76. Against All Odds November 16th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Thank u Brian and Chip

  77. Against All Odds November 16th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    And of course the extra 25 million dollars kicks in the offseason Cano is a free agent :x

    ——————-

    Cano is gonna bend us over… we are so screwed, it’s unreal.

    (I would like to note if Team Greedy were in charge we would be the exact opposite of screwed because we’d be all, ‘budget smudget.’)

    —————-

    Team Greedy motto

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ntOce4kEJg

    :D :D :D :D

  78. J. Alfred Prufrock November 16th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    And I can’t remember who said it somewhere in here, but Melky is not going to hit .250.

    No wonder some here get exasperated and ask out loud what “all the fuss is about” when we lose a young player with a genuine hit tool. If Brian Cashman tells you he’s a fourth outfielder, you, like he, can’t tell the difference…

    Joke.

    F’n joke.

    At this point, they really are going to have to clean and damage out the farm and make a mega deal for some live bats. Otherwise, this team is dead in the water in 2013.

  79. Chip November 16th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    JAP

    I’m the one who said Melky would hit .250

    Actually, what I said was that I think Melky off steroids is probably closer to the player he was with the Yankees than the one he was with the Braves or the one he was with the Royals/Giants.

    That would make him about a .250(ish) hitter with 12 to 15 HR power and a good arm in the OF.

  80. Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    That would make him about a .250(ish) hitter with 12 to 15 HR power and a good arm in the OF.

    Melky on the Yankees hit .250 once and above .270 the other 3 seasons. Isn’t it more likely he is a ~.275ish hitter?

  81. Chip November 16th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    sorry – .270 not .250

  82. djsunyc November 16th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock November 16th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
    And I can’t remember who said it somewhere in here, but Melky is not going to hit .250.

    No wonder some here get exasperated and ask out loud what “all the fuss is about” when we lose a young player with a genuine hit tool. If Brian Cashman tells you he’s a fourth outfielder, you, like he, can’t tell the difference…

    Joke.

    F’n joke.

    At this point, they really are going to have to clean and damage out the farm and make a mega deal for some live bats. Otherwise, this team is dead in the water in 2013.

    ———-

    and what if said acquired bats don’t perform? there is no guarantee what one player does elsewhere will translate under the hot bright lights of yankee scrutiny.

    time are a changing. it is best for this franchise moving forward to take a major step back to take many steps forward. but the reality of the situation says that will never happen b/c of economic reasons (tickets/ratings).

    best plan moving forward? trade tex or cano, and trade cc. arod is untradeable and we’ll save no money in moving him out and jeter is untouchable. eliminate all $15+ mil contracts that you can.

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock November 16th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Sorry, didn’t catch the name on the back of the jersey.

    Yea, he’s a born hitter, so no, he’s not going to be hitting .250, and because loser Cash is such a loser, he’s not going to not be hitting .250 for us.

  84. Chip November 16th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    I’m not overly optimistic, but before I bury the team I will reserve judgement until I see what things look like around Christmas or even New Years.

    Now will I be insanely mad if he turns around and deals guys like David Adams, Zoilo Almonte and Slade Heathcott for Matt Garza – YUP. But hopefully there are a few SMART moves out there to make and the team looks at how a guy like Adams has performed and decides to give him a shot this spring.

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock November 16th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    and what if said acquired bats don’t perform? there is no guarantee what one player does elsewhere will translate under the hot bright lights of yankee scrutiny.

    time are a changing. it is best for this franchise moving forward to take a major step back to take many steps forward. but the reality of the situation says that will never happen b/c of economic reasons (tickets/ratings).
    ///

    Yea, I’m not advocating they blow up the farm. My point is, because the GM is such a Mr. Zero when it comes to:

    1). recognizing true hit tool
    2). properly valuing true hit tool
    3). self scouting

    He’s pushed the franchise into a position of having to sacrifice the farm to get some hitters with a pulse.

  86. austinmac November 16th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    JAP,

    I feel the same. This is very frustrating to watch the team self destruct with no evident coherent plan.

  87. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    This is more how Team Greedy would like to operate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HUvTp8ZcJs

  88. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  89. Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Still early in the offseason, but for the most part the free agency options are disappearing quickly. For RF we’re pretty much down to Ichiro or Ibanez or a trade.

  90. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    The title of that video, for those that will not click, is “Greedy Fat Kids Steal ALL The Halloween Candy! LOL”

  91. jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    They are going to get bent over by Ichiro or end up with a crappy solution in RF.

    Trading anything good for Choo would be a mistake. The guy can’t lhp at all, so you still need another player, and you lose a good prospect/young player. Please no. I’d rather overpay Ichiro. I’d rather they threw Tyler Austin or Heathcott out there too soon, at least that would be something interesting to watch.

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock November 16th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    amac,

    They’re going to sacrifice Sanchez; I just know it. I’d like to say I don’t care anymore. Wish that were true. I’m now on fumes of hope for 2014 and beyond, but I’m just fearful that, in trying to compensate for unforced errors, we’re going to see the future sabotaged for a quick, superficial fix.

    Alas.

    My holdout hope is I get to actually see a good deal of Heathcott at Trenton down here before they blow him away, too…

  93. mick November 16th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Right. We’re dead in the water without Melky, get a clue.
    Another farmhand bites the dust.
    That’s the agenda.

  94. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Still early in the offseason, but for the most part the free agency options are disappearing quickly. For RF we’re pretty much down to Ichiro or Ibanez or a trade.

    ————————

    I’ve stated the plan I think they’ll follow….. and I think you should all try to warm up to it now because I am pretty sure this whole season is going to be a giant audition for 2014.

  95. Chip November 16th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Still early in the offseason, but for the most part the free agency options are disappearing quickly. For RF we’re pretty much down to Ichiro or Ibanez or a trade.
    —————

    Or one of the Almonte boys.

  96. Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Or one of the Almonte boys.

    Thats a really bad last resort

  97. djsunyc November 16th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    well to be fair, he was asked to completely stop spending on anything long term about 1 year ago. so cashman drastically had to alter whatever plans he may have had. this effectively took him out of many scenarios. and i’m not even talking superstars. he can’t even dole out $6/7 mil a year contracts that were 2-3 years long. i mean it’s very tough to get anybody here for anything less than that. his first move was to trade a young hitter for a young pitcher which makes sense if you’re thinking long term and value pitching first.

    so within the past calendar year, all we’ve seen is the montero/pineda deal, then a bunch of 1 year stop gaps. that’s the way ownership is making cashman operate. so i’m not sure cash is the one that fans should be angry with.

  98. Jerzz November 16th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    According to Mark Saxon of ESPN Los Angeles, Hiroki Kurodda has told friends that his first preference is to pitch in Southern California.
    This would enable him to be closer to his two daughters, who are attending elementary school. Teams have been under the impression that Kuroda will either re-sign with the Yankees or return to Japan to finish his career, but this could open the door for the Dodgers or Angels to emerge as front-runners. Of course, it’s possible this is just getting floated out there in order to get the Yankees to increase their offer.
    Source: ESPNLosAngeles.com Nov 16 – 3:59 PM

  99. Chip November 16th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Or one of the Almonte boys.

    Thats a really bad last resort
    ————-

    No, a Raul Ibanez/Andruw Jones platoon is a really bad last resort.

  100. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    It’s gonna be Ichiro as your 3rd OFer, Dickerson as the 4th for the first half, and Ibanez as the 5th. Hopefully an Almonte or Heathcott make their case by mid year to bump Dickerson.

  101. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    According to Mark Saxon of ESPN Los Angeles, Hiroki Kurodda has told friends that his first preference is to pitch in Southern California.

    ————————–

    MOTHERF*CK.

  102. Chip November 16th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    It’s gonna be Ichiro as your 3rd OFer, Dickerson as the 4th for the first half, and Ibanez as the 5th. Hopefully an Almonte or Heathcott make their case by mid year to bump Dickerson.
    ——————

    That’s too left handed. I don’t think the Yankees will go that route.

  103. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Cash is responsible for a lot of stuff but being a talent evaluator isn’t his job.. the investment has to be there by the whole FO, though I could see people making the case that as the GM he needs to be the one pushing that agenda in the FO.

    But I don’t care that he can’t evaluate talent… I care that they don’t employ a lot of people that can do it for them.

  104. Chip November 16th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    According to Mark Saxon of ESPN Los Angeles, Hiroki Kurodda has told friends that his first preference is to pitch in Southern California.
    ————-

    Well…that’s unfortunate.

    I’ll say it again:

    Eduardo Nunez, Frankie Cervelli and a lower level guy for Nolasco and Logan Morrison. Nolasco isn’t very good but he’s better than bringing back Freddy Garcia.

  105. jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Jerzz November 16th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
    According to Mark Saxon of ESPN Los Angeles, Hiroki Kurodda has told friends that his first preference is to pitch in Southern California.
    This would enable him to be closer to his two daughters, who are attending elementary school. Teams have been under the impression that Kuroda will either re-sign with the Yankees or return to Japan to finish his career, but this could open the door for the Dodgers or Angels to emerge as front-runners. Of course, it’s possible this is just getting floated out there in order to get the Yankees to increase their offer.
    Source: ESPNLosAngeles.com Nov 16 – 3:59 PM

    That sounds bad. Kuroda is probably gone.

  106. Chip November 16th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Cash is responsible for a lot of stuff but being a talent evaluator isn’t his job..

    ———————

    Hiring the talent evaluators is his job though.

  107. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Chip – Yeah I know it isn’t ideal for a number of reasons… it’s just what I think they’ll do. Maybe replace Ichiro with someone else that isn’t an upgrade for Swish and bats righty.

  108. bruceb November 16th, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Wow. Toronto are really going for it in 2013. I like their lineup a lot better than ours right now.

  109. jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Chip November 16th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
    Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    It’s gonna be Ichiro as your 3rd OFer, Dickerson as the 4th for the first half, and Ibanez as the 5th. Hopefully an Almonte or Heathcott make their case by mid year to bump Dickerson.
    ——————

    That’s too left handed. I don’t think the Yankees will go that route.

    Yet you want LoMo?

  110. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Maybe they really make a play for Haren? Piecemeal. It’s gonna be piecemeal.

    Get Andy on board stat.

  111. Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    Yea and honestly they need to forget about handedness and work on just getting GOOD players. Getting an ideal mix of varied handedness is what you do when you’re tweaking a good roster, not for when you’re trying to salvage a train wreck.

  112. Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Either way I’m pretty sure we aren’t replacing Swisher’s production with whoever we add which is why I think they’ll just try to get Ichiro.

    I think we might really see them push Heathcott. I hope he forces their hand a bit.

  113. Chip November 16th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Chip November 16th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
    Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    It’s gonna be Ichiro as your 3rd OFer, Dickerson as the 4th for the first half, and Ibanez as the 5th. Hopefully an Almonte or Heathcott make their case by mid year to bump Dickerson.
    ——————

    That’s too left handed. I don’t think the Yankees will go that route.

    Yet you want LoMo?
    —————

    Yes, but I wouldn’t stack my bench with LH bats behind him.

    For example I don’t know if I would have Dickerson as the 4th OF because, well, you’re not going to use him against LHP anymore than you would need to sit Gardner, Grandy or LoMo against RHP.

  114. J. Alfred Prufrock November 16th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    The Almonte Brothers have talent but each has things to work on.

    The reason Melky Cabrera was slow in developing was he got promoted too early for his hit tool, and being a switch hitter, he especially needed more development time.

    Both Almontes are switch hitters, both need to further refine their skills, especially against LHP, which was slow to come for Melky as well.

    Zoilo has some serious cleaning up to do on his fielding, too.

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock November 16th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Cash is responsible for a lot of stuff but being a talent evaluator isn’t his job..
    ///

    I don’t understand this. He has to make trades; if he can’t evaluate talent properly, he can’t make sound deals……

  116. J. Alfred Prufrock November 16th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    and before someone tells me they’re not brothers, I call them that to amuse myself :D

  117. tucker November 16th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Speaking of tools, it would be nice if Cashman worked on his evaluation tool and his acquisition tool.

  118. jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    LoMo’s numbers have been going the wrong direction.

  119. jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Cashman is smoking his Baghdad Bob Pipe.

  120. SoS November 16th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    1.Will Alex play like he did prior to getting hit in his hand in 2012?
    2.Will Cano get out of his postseason slump?
    3. Will Jeter ever be able to jump throw to first?
    4. Will Tex ever bunt?
    5. Will Grandy hit better with drew carrey glasses?
    6. Will Favre uhh I mean Pettite comeback for 1 more year?
    7. Will Mo’s cutter ever cut again?
    8. Will we have homeplate umpire be our catcher?
    9. Will we have a 40 year young player in right field?
    10. Will Yankee fans watch other teams unwrap their birthday presents while we have nothing under our tree?

    Tune in next time! Same bat time! Same bat channel!
    Its a marathon not a sprint! #28 is coming to a screen near you! (trying to do inception on myself)

  121. Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    I don’t understand this. He has to make trades; if he can’t evaluate talent properly, he can’t make sound deals……

    Because while its his job to negotiate with other teams or players based on the money allotted to him by HAL, it is up to his talent evaluators to give him the best information for him to work with. The Rays GM is not a talent evaluator, he is a financial analyst, but he works with what the Rays scouting staff gives him to make the best deals.

    It is on Cash to not have the best talent evaluators, but he himself does not need to evaluate talent. That is why the GM, heads of each scouting department, and the manager have meetings to decide on who to go after/keep/trade/whatever

  122. J. Alfred Prufrock November 16th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Hiroki Kurodda has told friends that his first preference is to pitch in Southern California.
    ////

    Wow. This day just gets better ‘n better.

  123. Captain Clutch November 16th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Let me guess Cashman will resign Pettitte and Mo. Then go to the bargain bin and pick up a relief pitcher and RFer and then be done for the off season. How exciting.. He better get busy really soon or all of the useful players will be signed while he waits for Kuroda to tell him he is signing with the Dodgers. I hope he doesn’t try to pull off another spectacular trade like last year where he gets robbed. It’s time to work on the offense while he waits for the pitchers instead of ignoring it like every other off season. A good gm is able to multi task.

  124. J. Alfred Prufrock November 16th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Because while its his job to negotiate with other teams or players based on the money allotted to him by HAL, it is up to his talent evaluators to give him the best information for him to work with. The Rays GM is not a talent evaluator, he is a financial analyst, but he works with what the Rays scouting staff gives him to make the best deals.

    It is on Cash to not have the best talent evaluators, but he himself does not need to evaluate talent. That is why the GM, heads of each scouting department, and the manager have meetings to decide on who to go after/keep/trade/whatever
    ///

    I do not agree with this at all. He needs to understand who will help your club and who will be redundant or unhelpful. The man has demonstrated a total lack of perspective or even understanding of how a lineup needs to function for success.

  125. SoS November 16th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    That sounds bad. Kuroda is probably gone.

    =======

    Time for Cash to get on the bat line get Luis Sojo and Pena and find us the next pitcher pitching in the Mexican league to save the day.

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock November 16th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Cashman really tipped his hand that he had no clue about anything, including pitching, when he yielded to Eppler and Eiland on Joba, after he had put up such a phony front that he was immovable on him going to the bullpen. He knows nothing, and he has hired people who are similarly stupid.

  127. J. Alfred Prufrock November 16th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    What a thrill for Cash. Now he can trade Sanchez + for “AL-tested” Matt Garza, and assure everybody that “pitching wins.”

  128. ron November 16th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Tyler austin,and heathcott are going to be fasttracked with the new cba restraints.
    If both are mashing in aa,they probably go to AAA quickly,and if the need is there,they will be brought up,as long as they are doing ok in AAA.
    Adams also.

  129. SoS November 16th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    I mentioned this a couple weeks back. This team needs a youth movement. Name the last time a highly touted Yankee position player actually moved up the ranks and is starting for the big league team? Melky? Skipped Canos name being that he wasnt really that highly touted.

  130. J. Alfred Prufrock November 16th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Adams also.
    ////

    Adams was ready last year.

  131. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    What are the odds that ESPN LA has real sources, unlike ESPN NY writers? Not good.

    What are the odds Kuroda wants to pitch for a losing team? Not good.

  132. jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    A lot of top young prospects, at least on other teams, go straight from AA to the majors, sometimes after only half a season in AA. It’s possible the Yankees are hoping at least one, if not two of Heathcott, Austin, Williams, and Flores are ready to go in 2014.

  133. jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
    What are the odds that ESPN LA has real sources, unlike ESPN NY writers? Not good.

    What are the odds Kuroda wants to pitch for a losing team? Not good

    The Dodgers and Angels are not “losing teams”.

  134. Against All Odds November 16th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    so within the past calendar year, all we’ve seen is the montero/pineda deal, then a bunch of 1 year stop gaps. that’s the way ownership is making cashman operate. so i’m not sure cash is the one that fans should be angry with.

    —————————

    Cashman has been talking about lowering the payroll since he started his built from within plan. Hal and Co. weren’t in the picture yet.

  135. jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Against All Odds November 16th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
    so within the past calendar year, all we’ve seen is the montero/pineda deal, then a bunch of 1 year stop gaps. that’s the way ownership is making cashman operate. so i’m not sure cash is the one that fans should be angry with.

    —————————

    Cashman has been talking about lowering the payroll since he started his built from within plan. Hal and Co. weren’t in the picture yet.

    But hasn’t, and hasn’t stopped signing big contracts until after the new CBA.

  136. Against All Odds November 16th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    The point is they have been cutting back in recent yrs. Many ppl point to the new CBA but their new approach started before the new CBA was even thought of

  137. jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    2012: $209,792,900
    2011: $207,047,964
    2010: $213,359,389
    2009: $201,449,189
    2008: $209,081,577

    They haven’t really been cutting back, they will now though.

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