Blue Jays agree to two-year deal with Melky Cabrera
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 16, 2012 
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The Blue Jays roster makeover continues, and this time they’re taking a shot on Melky Cabrera.
According to Enrique Rojas, Cabrera has agreed to a two-year deal with the Blue Jays. The contract will reportedly pay him $16 million. That’s not a tiny contract, but clearly the PED bust cost him significant earning ability.
Cabrera is a extreme risk-reward guy. Two years ago in Atlanta, he seemed closer to playing his way out of baseball rather than playing his way into an All-Star game. Then he had a breakout year with the Royals and followed it with a standout year with the Giants, which ultimately ended when he was suspended for elevated levels of testosterone.
Were the drugs the reason for his sudden surge? Was he using without getting caught in Kansas City? Was he getting better anyway and the PEDs helped him maximize on his potential? Will he be able to repeat that success without artificial help?
I’ve written before that I’m skeptical Cabrera can be anything more than a good fourth outfielder or so-so everyday guy. It’s hard to see those huge career spikes and not attribute them to some sort of outside influence, but I also talked to one baseball official at the GM Meetings who thought the opposite. The official told me that Cabrera’s work ethic has changed considerably since he left the Yankees, and he’s now considered a hard worker who’s going to be good even without the drugs. This official said it would be hard for a team with a conservative fan base to sign him, but this same official thought Cabrera would be a great opportunity for someone to buy low.
If the Yankees weren’t willing to give Torii Hunter two years, they surely weren’t willing to give Cabrera two years, but if he produces close to this year’s numbers, he’ll be a real steal in that Blue Jays lineup.
According to Peter Gammons: Scott Boras told the Yankees they should sign Soriano because “no team in the last 50 years has won a championship with a closer 40 or older.”
I didn’t think Melky could get 8 million a year yet alone a 2 year contract. I thought he’d have to settle for something like 1/5. This is going to be a real hit-or-miss deal. I like it if I’m a Jays fan… I think he’s a .300 + hitter though maybe not quite as good as the SF version from last year.
The BBWA website has Miguel Montero listed as a Marlin on their MVP ballot… for a minute I thought that happened and then I remembered that would require Jeffrey Loria to take on more payroll.
Let’s say the the yankee front office listened to it’s fan base, went out and signed the following players. What would their payroll be going forward.
Cespedes
Darvish
Chapman
Can’t wait for the Ibanez signing!
Benny Blanco November 16th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Let’s say the the yankee front office listened to it’s fan base, went out and signed the following players. What would their payroll be going forward.
Cespedes
Darvish
Chapman
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Those guys will all likely make big money one day but the Yanks would be in a better situation.. all 3 are relatively young and could fit into roles on this team. I still wonder whether Chapman will be given another chance to start or if he’s going to just stay in the ‘pen.
Don’t be down on Ibanez; he’s now a legendary fan favorite who’s found the Fountain of Yul.
After all, Raul was the 10th most valuable player in the entire American League in the mind of 1 sportswriter.
Cespedes
Darvish
Chapman
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Well Cespedes makes 9 AAV
Chapman 5 AAV
Darvish 9 AAV
So you’d have
Sabathia
Darvish
Chapman
Starter 4
Starter 5
Tex
2B
Jeter
A-rod
LF
Gardner
Cespedes
Bullpen
With 60 million budget remaining.
Next, AA will sign Kuroda and AP will retire.
Chip,
The 2013 Yankee roster you posted would be the worst Yankee team of the last 20 years.
jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Next, AA will sign Kuroda and AP will retire.
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And Mo will retire and Derek’s ankle will have a set back.
Jerkface,
I just did some research and their salaries are not as large as I originally thought. My guess is that the posting fees would have been alot if you add all of them up.
Cespedes is 4/36 millon
Chapman 5/25.5
Darvish 6/56
Almost makes me think that the yankees could’ve afforded that trio.
Patrick November 16th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Chip,
The 2013 Yankee roster you posted would be the worst Yankee team of the last 20 years.
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Like I said, I posted it so that even if it is marginally better I will feel that the worst case scenario has been avoided.
I’m excited for the 2013-2017 Yankees with Cashman as the GM and Kevin Long as the hitting coach.
We will set the major league record for striking out in a season.
- DONNYBROOK GENERAL PRINCIPLES – (partial list)
(1) TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS
(2) A HUNCH IS BASED ON PASSED EXPERIENCE. GO WITH IT.
(3) NEVER BE AFRAID TO FAIL. BE BOLD.
(4) DO NOT SIGN PLAYERS THAT HAVE FAILED A DRUG TEST. INTEGRITY IS PARAMOUNT.
$8 mil per for 2 for Melky? Wow, that is a joke. Any GM worth a damn would have offered only a 1 year deal with lots of incentives to determine how much of his performance the last 2 years was PED enhanced. My guess is a lot and that he’s mediocre at best. Glad the Blue Jays did that. You’d think after Vernon Wells they’d be a little more careful.
Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Cespedes
Darvish
Chapman
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Well Cespedes makes 9 AAV
Chapman 5 AAV
Darvish 9 AAV
So you’d have
Sabathia
Darvish
Chapman
Starter 4
Starter 5
Tex
2B
Jeter
A-rod
LF
Gardner
Cespedes
Bullpen
With 60 million budget remaining.
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Make it stop… my heart can’t take it.
Like I said, I posted it so that even if it is marginally better I will feel that the worst case scenario has been avoided.
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That’s fine, I’m just saying .. that team will finish 4th or 5th in the AL East and be lucky to get 81 wins
(2) A HUNCH IS BASED ON PASSED EXPERIENCE. GO WITH IT.
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Nice.
INTEGRITY IS PARAMOUNT.
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The irony.
Any GM worth a damn would have offered only a 1 year deal with lots of incentives to determine how much of his performance the last 2 years was PED enhanced
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You can’t have incentives except for games played.
I’m not surprised about Melky.. in the sense that I already have resign myself to what our team will look like next year:
Gardner
Jeter/Nunez
Ibanez
Cano
Arod
Tex
Granderson
Ichiro
Cervelli/Romine/A Warm Body
If they can stay healthy and have some kids going maybe you see an Almonte or Heathcott mid year.
If they spend on Soriano I’ll bug out.
If they spend on Martin I will cry…. more than usual!
resigned*
With this team, closer is the least of their worries. Having a lead will be problematic.
@hankschulman
Report from ESPN Deported says Melky has a two-year, $16 million deal with Toronto.
@hankschulman
Should be ESPN Deportes!
@hankschulman
Yes, Toronto is coming to AT&T this year, so Melkmen prepare!
@scottostler
Cheaters never prosper: Melky gets only $16 mil for 2 years. Geez, hope he got some incentive clauses.
Melky lied. He can’t be associated with the Yankees. We have Hal “it’s only 10%” and “we haven’t changed our priorities” Steinbrenner and his honesty to live up to.
DONNYBROOK November 16th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
- DONNYBROOK GENERAL PRINCIPLES – (partial list)
(1) TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS
(2) A HUNCH IS BASED ON PASSED EXPERIENCE. GO WITH IT.
(3) NEVER BE AFRAID TO FAIL. BE BOLD.
(4) DO NOT SIGN PLAYERS THAT HAVE FAILED A DRUG TEST. INTEGRITY IS PARAMOUNT.
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http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....this-blog/
• CAPS LOCK is not allowed.
Please ban this guy and his login.
Maybe the bench will be like: Adams, Nunez, Dickerson..
Not sure what to do with Chavez.. on one hand I like him a lot, but I think I’d rather get Adams out there. In all likelihood, they just re-sign Chavez. Ibanez is your DH/5th OFer. Nunez will have to start for Jeter.. perhaps they’ll keep Nix around.
The yankees can’t trade nunez now without knowing how jeter will recover from his ankle surgery. Or, they can trade nunez and go with jason nix a short until jeter is 100 percent.
Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Any GM worth a damn would have offered only a 1 year deal with lots of incentives to determine how much of his performance the last 2 years was PED enhanced
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You can’t have incentives except for games played.
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I would’ve gone with a moderate first year base salary and then a mutual option.
Is Stewart still on our team lol? No?
I don’t blame Melky for taking the two years.. he’ll likely still be in a good position at 29 if he stays healthy.
Well, Toronto seems to be a place where mediocre big leaguers somehow transform themselves into superstars: Bautista, Encarnacion and now we’ll see about Melky …
Is Stewart still on our team lol? No?
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Unfortunately, yes.
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Well, Toronto seems to be a place where mediocre big leaguers somehow transform themselves into superstars: Bautista, Encarnacion and now we’ll see about Melky …
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Melky’s going to the perfect place.
Where PEDs haven’t been detected yet.
For those of you who think the 80s and early 90s were bad, far worse can occur. I have been through it in the laste 60s and early 70s. Baseball changed from an entertainment to misery. I had hoped not to see that again. Now, I wonder.
Look at the lineup and pitching staff. That is not good. Compare, honestly, the Yankees and the Jays. We could do the same thing with a number of teams.
Perhaps, you don’t win in the off season, but you sure can lose. And lose big.
I thought the Jays had learned their lesson with Wells and Rios. They’ll shortly be hamstrung once again.
“Only” $16 million.
Yeah, I know, he could have hit Powerballl. Instead, he hits the mini-lottery. Oh, and he couldn’t play in the post-season. Did his teammates vote to give him a ring or a share?
I’m really surprised at this deal. First, I figured Melky would get a one-year deal from someone; but second, I figured it’d take until spring.
Trust the Yankees. Stop paying attention to what other teams are doing in the league.
I really don’t give a hoot about any Blue Jays unless they’re the one’s who live in my yard who tell me secrets and swap recipes with me.
It’s still just on paper.
You still gotta play the games.
Can’t worry too soon; gotta time your worry just right. Don’t want to spoil the holidays.
Of course, you have to play the games. Generally, teams with better players win. The Yankee players will almost certainly have lesser players than last year with a lesser chance to win.
But, you’re ultimately right Villa–accept the things you cannot change.
Blake mentioned this earlier and I did a day ago. AA sees a wide opening in the AL East with a rebuilding Sox and a older, weakened Yanks. When is the last time the AL East seemingly has been wide open?
AA is seizing the opening.
Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Is Stewart still on our team lol? No?
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Unfortunately, yes.
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I thought so.
It’s okay guys.. a Stewie/Cervelli platoon gives Girardi twice as many ‘e’ names at that position than last year.
AA is seizing the opening.
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Yeah, probably.
tucker,
you have to give props to Toronto.
LF – Melky
CF – Rasmus
RF – Bautista
1B – Lind
2B – Kelly Johnson
SS – Reyes
3B – Lawrie
C – Arencibia
DH – Encarnacion
SP – Romero
SP – Josh Johnson
SP – Morrow
SP – Buehrle
SP – Villanueva
CP – Santos
Looks pretty good to me.
Toronto’s staff is still a question mark since Romero was awful last year, JJ is still an injury concern, and Morrow is pretty inconsistent but they definitely have a good team on paper.l That lineup looks really solid.
seems to me that the oriels year had a big influence on the jays. they see that the al east can be won, because the perennial powers are fading. my guess is that baltimore is a one year phenomenon, but this jays lineup can be good for a long time
yankees need offense and for hughes and nova to be 18 game winners again
that BJ’s lineup will be scary
Reyes SS
Melkman LF
Bautista RF
Encarnacion DH
Rasmus CF
Lawrie 3B
Lind 1B
Arencibia C
Whomever 2B
They’ll probably put Bonifacio at 2B.
They still have Kelly Johnson too
Toronto could use one more starter. Perfect for Kuroda, if that is who they want. We know they are willing to pursue, spend and act quickly — three qualities Cash & Co. Apparently no longer include in their “process.”
I think the yankees will end up with jason bay and that is if jason bay can not find a better place to be.
apologies, they don’t.
Guess he hit FA too.
And in addition to Villanueva at the 5, they have JA Happ and Kyle Drabek.
Baltimore got pretty lucky with their rotation, but they have a good young core of position players with Wieters, Adam Jones and Machado. Three young star position players are more difficult to assemble than a rotation, IMO.
Jason bay’s going back to Boston.
Cheap alternative + had success in Fenway already.
tucker November 16th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
AA is seizing the opening.
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And Cashman is just seizing.
Reyes SS
Melkman LF
Bautista RF
Encarnacion DH
Rasmus CF
Lawrie 3B
Lind 1B
Arencibia C
Whomever 2B
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Little depth with Izturis and Bonifacio too. I think Arencibia ends up traded though. Buck at C with D’Arnaud coming up mid summer-ish
Yankees current rotation:CC, Hughes, Nova, Phelps and Warren.
Better or worse than the positional lineup?
austinmac -
I haven’t decided if it’s better or worse to check in here for the latest. On the one hand, I have a need to know, and a more worrisome need to find out what people think about it. On the other hand, maybe it’s better to find another winter hobby and come back in April.
I try to remain optimistic, and I try to give the people who run this team benefit of the doubt. But I cannot ignore that the Yankees quest for fiscal responsibility seems to be coming at the worst time. Although, I’m not sure there’d ever be a good time, really.
It’s not what other teams are doing. It’s really not knowing what this team will look like in April. Usually there are enough constants to feel good about, and the fringes really don’t matter too much. I know “they have to play the games” is a platitude and a “duh, of course,” thing to say. But it’s a good reminder at least to myself that winning the off-season isn’t necessarily predictive of winning the season. And the Yankees won the season last year (to an extent) and no one was happy about it. So color me very conflicted right now.
In Baltimore, I equate Showalter with Billy Martin. Good for short -term jump start. Bad over the long-haul. The honeymoon with Showlater and his players will end in 2013. That team will echo Clark Gable in “Run Silent, Run Deep”. “Dive, Dive, Dive”.
do we have to pick?
By midseason this year the yanks AA Trenton team could look like this
Mason Williams Cf
Slade Heathcott RF
Tyler Austin DH
Gary Sanchez C
Ramon Flores LF
Jose Pirela 2B
Kyle Roller 1B
Rob Lyerly 3B
? SS
That’s a pretty stacked AA lineup with high upside position players coming fast
brianlopez22 November 16th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
They still have Kelly Johnson too
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They have like 5-7 outfielders now correct
champ809 November 16th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
By midseason this year the yanks AA Trenton team could look like this
Mason Williams Cf
Slade Heathcott RF
Tyler Austin DH
Gary Sanchez C
Ramon Flores LF
Jose Pirela 2B
Kyle Roller 1B
Rob Lyerly 3B
? SS
That’s a pretty stacked AA lineup with high upside position players coming fast
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All of which would be great if the Yankees were a franchise that was patient with or used positional prospects in any meaningful way.
Against All Odds November 16th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
brianlopez22 November 16th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
They still have Kelly Johnson too
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They have like 5-7 outfielders now correct
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Johnson’s a free agent.
They have Rajai Davis (OF) Bonifacio will probably be the opening day 2b with Davis and Izturis on the bench.
AAO,
Kelly Johnson’s a 2B they traded Aaron Hill for.
But I don’t see him on their roster.
Bonifacio will play 2B.
They have Rajai Davis and some other OFers as well, for their bench
Jays are pushing 160M payroll for 2013 as of now.
Good for them!
And they are getting a lot for it too…
There are gonna be a few teams that lay down bank in the next couple of years with that multi-billion dollar TV deal the league just signed.
More teams will creep on our payroll.
More tears will leak from my eyes.
There are gonna be a few teams that lay down bank in the next couple of years with that multi-billion dollar TV deal the league just signed.
More teams will creep on our payroll.
More tears will leak from my eyes.
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No doubt, some scumbags will pocket the extra 25 million, but other teams will see that as 2 free premium players 1 free elite player per year.
Imagine you’re a team that is on the cusp of competing in the payroll your owner has set out, and then you get a christmas present of 25 million extra a year for the next 10 years. That is a free Robinson Cano
And of course the extra 25 million dollars kicks in the offseason Cano is a free agent
Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
And of course the extra 25 million dollars kicks in the offseason Cano is a free agent
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Cano is gonna bend us over… we are so screwed, it’s unreal.
(I would like to note if Team Greedy were in charge we would be the exact opposite of screwed because we’d be all, ‘budget smudget.’)
Let’s change “Cash”‘s nickname to Santa Claus.
He has given away 3 young hitters since 2010: Melky, AJax and Montero.
And now he let the first guy get away twice, even though he’s a system guy, even though he would have been relatively inexpensive and on a short-term deal, even though he fits the criteria to a tee of what the Yankee lineup sorely lacks.
Instead, we let him go to a division rival, who has already kicked our ass this offseason.
But fear not! Martin and 40-year old Rauuuuuuul! will be back in the saddle to lead us to glory.
Jays are acting like they smell blood in the water but they’re in the deep end of the pool now.
See Sox, Red for what can happen in the deep end.
Thank u Brian and Chip
Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
And of course the extra 25 million dollars kicks in the offseason Cano is a free agent
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Cano is gonna bend us over… we are so screwed, it’s unreal.
(I would like to note if Team Greedy were in charge we would be the exact opposite of screwed because we’d be all, ‘budget smudget.’)
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Team Greedy motto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ntOce4kEJg
And I can’t remember who said it somewhere in here, but Melky is not going to hit .250.
No wonder some here get exasperated and ask out loud what “all the fuss is about” when we lose a young player with a genuine hit tool. If Brian Cashman tells you he’s a fourth outfielder, you, like he, can’t tell the difference…
Joke.
F’n joke.
At this point, they really are going to have to clean and damage out the farm and make a mega deal for some live bats. Otherwise, this team is dead in the water in 2013.
JAP
I’m the one who said Melky would hit .250
Actually, what I said was that I think Melky off steroids is probably closer to the player he was with the Yankees than the one he was with the Braves or the one he was with the Royals/Giants.
That would make him about a .250(ish) hitter with 12 to 15 HR power and a good arm in the OF.
That would make him about a .250(ish) hitter with 12 to 15 HR power and a good arm in the OF.
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Melky on the Yankees hit .250 once and above .270 the other 3 seasons. Isn’t it more likely he is a ~.275ish hitter?
sorry – .270 not .250
J. Alfred Prufrock November 16th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
And I can’t remember who said it somewhere in here, but Melky is not going to hit .250.
No wonder some here get exasperated and ask out loud what “all the fuss is about” when we lose a young player with a genuine hit tool. If Brian Cashman tells you he’s a fourth outfielder, you, like he, can’t tell the difference…
Joke.
F’n joke.
At this point, they really are going to have to clean and damage out the farm and make a mega deal for some live bats. Otherwise, this team is dead in the water in 2013.
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and what if said acquired bats don’t perform? there is no guarantee what one player does elsewhere will translate under the hot bright lights of yankee scrutiny.
time are a changing. it is best for this franchise moving forward to take a major step back to take many steps forward. but the reality of the situation says that will never happen b/c of economic reasons (tickets/ratings).
best plan moving forward? trade tex or cano, and trade cc. arod is untradeable and we’ll save no money in moving him out and jeter is untouchable. eliminate all $15+ mil contracts that you can.
Sorry, didn’t catch the name on the back of the jersey.
Yea, he’s a born hitter, so no, he’s not going to be hitting .250, and because loser Cash is such a loser, he’s not going to not be hitting .250 for us.
I’m not overly optimistic, but before I bury the team I will reserve judgement until I see what things look like around Christmas or even New Years.
Now will I be insanely mad if he turns around and deals guys like David Adams, Zoilo Almonte and Slade Heathcott for Matt Garza – YUP. But hopefully there are a few SMART moves out there to make and the team looks at how a guy like Adams has performed and decides to give him a shot this spring.
and what if said acquired bats don’t perform? there is no guarantee what one player does elsewhere will translate under the hot bright lights of yankee scrutiny.
time are a changing. it is best for this franchise moving forward to take a major step back to take many steps forward. but the reality of the situation says that will never happen b/c of economic reasons (tickets/ratings).
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Yea, I’m not advocating they blow up the farm. My point is, because the GM is such a Mr. Zero when it comes to:
1). recognizing true hit tool
2). properly valuing true hit tool
3). self scouting
He’s pushed the franchise into a position of having to sacrifice the farm to get some hitters with a pulse.
JAP,
I feel the same. This is very frustrating to watch the team self destruct with no evident coherent plan.
This is more how Team Greedy would like to operate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HUvTp8ZcJs
Or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
Still early in the offseason, but for the most part the free agency options are disappearing quickly. For RF we’re pretty much down to Ichiro or Ibanez or a trade.
The title of that video, for those that will not click, is “Greedy Fat Kids Steal ALL The Halloween Candy! LOL”
They are going to get bent over by Ichiro or end up with a crappy solution in RF.
Trading anything good for Choo would be a mistake. The guy can’t lhp at all, so you still need another player, and you lose a good prospect/young player. Please no. I’d rather overpay Ichiro. I’d rather they threw Tyler Austin or Heathcott out there too soon, at least that would be something interesting to watch.
amac,
They’re going to sacrifice Sanchez; I just know it. I’d like to say I don’t care anymore. Wish that were true. I’m now on fumes of hope for 2014 and beyond, but I’m just fearful that, in trying to compensate for unforced errors, we’re going to see the future sabotaged for a quick, superficial fix.
Alas.
My holdout hope is I get to actually see a good deal of Heathcott at Trenton down here before they blow him away, too…
Right. We’re dead in the water without Melky, get a clue.
Another farmhand bites the dust.
That’s the agenda.
Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Still early in the offseason, but for the most part the free agency options are disappearing quickly. For RF we’re pretty much down to Ichiro or Ibanez or a trade.
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I’ve stated the plan I think they’ll follow….. and I think you should all try to warm up to it now because I am pretty sure this whole season is going to be a giant audition for 2014.
Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Still early in the offseason, but for the most part the free agency options are disappearing quickly. For RF we’re pretty much down to Ichiro or Ibanez or a trade.
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Or one of the Almonte boys.
Or one of the Almonte boys.
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Thats a really bad last resort
well to be fair, he was asked to completely stop spending on anything long term about 1 year ago. so cashman drastically had to alter whatever plans he may have had. this effectively took him out of many scenarios. and i’m not even talking superstars. he can’t even dole out $6/7 mil a year contracts that were 2-3 years long. i mean it’s very tough to get anybody here for anything less than that. his first move was to trade a young hitter for a young pitcher which makes sense if you’re thinking long term and value pitching first.
so within the past calendar year, all we’ve seen is the montero/pineda deal, then a bunch of 1 year stop gaps. that’s the way ownership is making cashman operate. so i’m not sure cash is the one that fans should be angry with.
According to Mark Saxon of ESPN Los Angeles, Hiroki Kurodda has told friends that his first preference is to pitch in Southern California.
This would enable him to be closer to his two daughters, who are attending elementary school. Teams have been under the impression that Kuroda will either re-sign with the Yankees or return to Japan to finish his career, but this could open the door for the Dodgers or Angels to emerge as front-runners. Of course, it’s possible this is just getting floated out there in order to get the Yankees to increase their offer.
Source: ESPNLosAngeles.com Nov 16 – 3:59 PM
Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Or one of the Almonte boys.
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Thats a really bad last resort
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No, a Raul Ibanez/Andruw Jones platoon is a really bad last resort.
It’s gonna be Ichiro as your 3rd OFer, Dickerson as the 4th for the first half, and Ibanez as the 5th. Hopefully an Almonte or Heathcott make their case by mid year to bump Dickerson.
According to Mark Saxon of ESPN Los Angeles, Hiroki Kurodda has told friends that his first preference is to pitch in Southern California.
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MOTHERF*CK.
Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
It’s gonna be Ichiro as your 3rd OFer, Dickerson as the 4th for the first half, and Ibanez as the 5th. Hopefully an Almonte or Heathcott make their case by mid year to bump Dickerson.
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That’s too left handed. I don’t think the Yankees will go that route.
Cash is responsible for a lot of stuff but being a talent evaluator isn’t his job.. the investment has to be there by the whole FO, though I could see people making the case that as the GM he needs to be the one pushing that agenda in the FO.
But I don’t care that he can’t evaluate talent… I care that they don’t employ a lot of people that can do it for them.
According to Mark Saxon of ESPN Los Angeles, Hiroki Kurodda has told friends that his first preference is to pitch in Southern California.
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Well…that’s unfortunate.
I’ll say it again:
Eduardo Nunez, Frankie Cervelli and a lower level guy for Nolasco and Logan Morrison. Nolasco isn’t very good but he’s better than bringing back Freddy Garcia.
Jerzz November 16th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
According to Mark Saxon of ESPN Los Angeles, Hiroki Kurodda has told friends that his first preference is to pitch in Southern California.
This would enable him to be closer to his two daughters, who are attending elementary school. Teams have been under the impression that Kuroda will either re-sign with the Yankees or return to Japan to finish his career, but this could open the door for the Dodgers or Angels to emerge as front-runners. Of course, it’s possible this is just getting floated out there in order to get the Yankees to increase their offer.
Source: ESPNLosAngeles.com Nov 16 – 3:59 PM
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That sounds bad. Kuroda is probably gone.
Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Cash is responsible for a lot of stuff but being a talent evaluator isn’t his job..
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Hiring the talent evaluators is his job though.
Chip – Yeah I know it isn’t ideal for a number of reasons… it’s just what I think they’ll do. Maybe replace Ichiro with someone else that isn’t an upgrade for Swish and bats righty.
Wow. Toronto are really going for it in 2013. I like their lineup a lot better than ours right now.
Chip November 16th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
It’s gonna be Ichiro as your 3rd OFer, Dickerson as the 4th for the first half, and Ibanez as the 5th. Hopefully an Almonte or Heathcott make their case by mid year to bump Dickerson.
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That’s too left handed. I don’t think the Yankees will go that route.
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Yet you want LoMo?
Maybe they really make a play for Haren? Piecemeal. It’s gonna be piecemeal.
Get Andy on board stat.
Yea and honestly they need to forget about handedness and work on just getting GOOD players. Getting an ideal mix of varied handedness is what you do when you’re tweaking a good roster, not for when you’re trying to salvage a train wreck.
Either way I’m pretty sure we aren’t replacing Swisher’s production with whoever we add which is why I think they’ll just try to get Ichiro.
I think we might really see them push Heathcott. I hope he forces their hand a bit.
jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Chip November 16th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
It’s gonna be Ichiro as your 3rd OFer, Dickerson as the 4th for the first half, and Ibanez as the 5th. Hopefully an Almonte or Heathcott make their case by mid year to bump Dickerson.
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That’s too left handed. I don’t think the Yankees will go that route.
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Yet you want LoMo?
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Yes, but I wouldn’t stack my bench with LH bats behind him.
For example I don’t know if I would have Dickerson as the 4th OF because, well, you’re not going to use him against LHP anymore than you would need to sit Gardner, Grandy or LoMo against RHP.
The Almonte Brothers have talent but each has things to work on.
The reason Melky Cabrera was slow in developing was he got promoted too early for his hit tool, and being a switch hitter, he especially needed more development time.
Both Almontes are switch hitters, both need to further refine their skills, especially against LHP, which was slow to come for Melky as well.
Zoilo has some serious cleaning up to do on his fielding, too.
Shame Spencer November 16th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Cash is responsible for a lot of stuff but being a talent evaluator isn’t his job..
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I don’t understand this. He has to make trades; if he can’t evaluate talent properly, he can’t make sound deals……
and before someone tells me they’re not brothers, I call them that to amuse myself
Speaking of tools, it would be nice if Cashman worked on his evaluation tool and his acquisition tool.
LoMo’s numbers have been going the wrong direction.
Cashman is smoking his Baghdad Bob Pipe.
1.Will Alex play like he did prior to getting hit in his hand in 2012?
2.Will Cano get out of his postseason slump?
3. Will Jeter ever be able to jump throw to first?
4. Will Tex ever bunt?
5. Will Grandy hit better with drew carrey glasses?
6. Will Favre uhh I mean Pettite comeback for 1 more year?
7. Will Mo’s cutter ever cut again?
8. Will we have homeplate umpire be our catcher?
9. Will we have a 40 year young player in right field?
10. Will Yankee fans watch other teams unwrap their birthday presents while we have nothing under our tree?
Tune in next time! Same bat time! Same bat channel!
Its a marathon not a sprint! #28 is coming to a screen near you! (trying to do inception on myself)
I don’t understand this. He has to make trades; if he can’t evaluate talent properly, he can’t make sound deals……
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Because while its his job to negotiate with other teams or players based on the money allotted to him by HAL, it is up to his talent evaluators to give him the best information for him to work with. The Rays GM is not a talent evaluator, he is a financial analyst, but he works with what the Rays scouting staff gives him to make the best deals.
It is on Cash to not have the best talent evaluators, but he himself does not need to evaluate talent. That is why the GM, heads of each scouting department, and the manager have meetings to decide on who to go after/keep/trade/whatever
Hiroki Kurodda has told friends that his first preference is to pitch in Southern California.
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Wow. This day just gets better ‘n better.
Let me guess Cashman will resign Pettitte and Mo. Then go to the bargain bin and pick up a relief pitcher and RFer and then be done for the off season. How exciting.. He better get busy really soon or all of the useful players will be signed while he waits for Kuroda to tell him he is signing with the Dodgers. I hope he doesn’t try to pull off another spectacular trade like last year where he gets robbed. It’s time to work on the offense while he waits for the pitchers instead of ignoring it like every other off season. A good gm is able to multi task.
Because while its his job to negotiate with other teams or players based on the money allotted to him by HAL, it is up to his talent evaluators to give him the best information for him to work with. The Rays GM is not a talent evaluator, he is a financial analyst, but he works with what the Rays scouting staff gives him to make the best deals.
It is on Cash to not have the best talent evaluators, but he himself does not need to evaluate talent. That is why the GM, heads of each scouting department, and the manager have meetings to decide on who to go after/keep/trade/whatever
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I do not agree with this at all. He needs to understand who will help your club and who will be redundant or unhelpful. The man has demonstrated a total lack of perspective or even understanding of how a lineup needs to function for success.
That sounds bad. Kuroda is probably gone.
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Time for Cash to get on the bat line get Luis Sojo and Pena and find us the next pitcher pitching in the Mexican league to save the day.
Cashman really tipped his hand that he had no clue about anything, including pitching, when he yielded to Eppler and Eiland on Joba, after he had put up such a phony front that he was immovable on him going to the bullpen. He knows nothing, and he has hired people who are similarly stupid.
What a thrill for Cash. Now he can trade Sanchez + for “AL-tested” Matt Garza, and assure everybody that “pitching wins.”
Tyler austin,and heathcott are going to be fasttracked with the new cba restraints.
If both are mashing in aa,they probably go to AAA quickly,and if the need is there,they will be brought up,as long as they are doing ok in AAA.
Adams also.
I mentioned this a couple weeks back. This team needs a youth movement. Name the last time a highly touted Yankee position player actually moved up the ranks and is starting for the big league team? Melky? Skipped Canos name being that he wasnt really that highly touted.
Adams also.
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Adams was ready last year.
What are the odds that ESPN LA has real sources, unlike ESPN NY writers? Not good.
What are the odds Kuroda wants to pitch for a losing team? Not good.
A lot of top young prospects, at least on other teams, go straight from AA to the majors, sometimes after only half a season in AA. It’s possible the Yankees are hoping at least one, if not two of Heathcott, Austin, Williams, and Flores are ready to go in 2014.
Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
What are the odds that ESPN LA has real sources, unlike ESPN NY writers? Not good.
What are the odds Kuroda wants to pitch for a losing team? Not good
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The Dodgers and Angels are not “losing teams”.
so within the past calendar year, all we’ve seen is the montero/pineda deal, then a bunch of 1 year stop gaps. that’s the way ownership is making cashman operate. so i’m not sure cash is the one that fans should be angry with.
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Cashman has been talking about lowering the payroll since he started his built from within plan. Hal and Co. weren’t in the picture yet.
Against All Odds November 16th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
so within the past calendar year, all we’ve seen is the montero/pineda deal, then a bunch of 1 year stop gaps. that’s the way ownership is making cashman operate. so i’m not sure cash is the one that fans should be angry with.
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Cashman has been talking about lowering the payroll since he started his built from within plan. Hal and Co. weren’t in the picture yet.
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But hasn’t, and hasn’t stopped signing big contracts until after the new CBA.
The point is they have been cutting back in recent yrs. Many ppl point to the new CBA but their new approach started before the new CBA was even thought of
2012: $209,792,900
2011: $207,047,964
2010: $213,359,389
2009: $201,449,189
2008: $209,081,577
They haven’t really been cutting back, they will now though.