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Notes and links on another quiet Friday

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 16, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just a few links on this Friday night.

• Still waiting for Andy Pettitte to make a decision for next year, but his son, Josh, has signed a letter of intent to pitch for Baylor.

• I loved the opening line of Tim Brown’s story about the Melky Cabrera signing: “Try to think of it not as the emerging Toronto Blue Jays signing a drug cheat, but the emerging Toronto Blue Jays signing a man who played for two championship teams and wasn’t kicked off of one of them.”

• Ken Rosenthal writes that the market for B.J. Upton is gaining steam — the market for Angel Pagan as well — but there’s no indication that the Yankees are pursuit of either outfielder.

• Worried about the Red Sox signing Josh Hamilton? A source tells Rob Bradford that reports of the Red Sox interest are “overblown,” and Bradford says that Hamilton “doesn’t appear to be near the top” of the Red Sox wishlist.

• The Tigers made their Torii Hunter signing official today.

• Up-and-down from the minor leagues this year, former Yankees reliever Ryota Igarashi has signed a three-year deal to play in Japan. A translation of the linked article says he’ll make 600 million yen. I don’t know how much that is in U.S. dollars, and I really don’t want to find out. I prefer to imagine Igarashi making some insane amount of money over there.

• Former Yankees lefty Zach Kroenke — lost in the Rule 5 draft — has signed a minor league deal with the Brewers. Kroenke never pitched in the big leagues with the Yankees, but he has some big league time in Arizona. Good guy. One of my favorites from Scranton.

• Over at Pinstriped Bible, Steven Goldman took a look at the largely uncharted territory of a potential Pettitte return.

• The Yankees announced that, in conjunction with the Cloudbreak Group, 20 percent of all sales at http://www.nyyankeesfragrance.com/ during the months of November and December will be donated to the American Red Cross for Hurricane Sandy relief efforts. A minimum guarantee of $10,000 will be offered by the Cloudbreak Group, in addition to the dedicated portion made from all sales on the website during those two months.

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84 Responses to “Notes and links on another quiet Friday”

  1. Jerkface November 16th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    600 million yen is like 7.2 million bux.

  2. jmills November 16th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Remembering, the Edmund Fitzgerald!

  3. tomingeorgia November 16th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    The story lives on, from the Chippewa on down, of the big lake they cal Gitchigumy, when the gales of November come early.

  4. tomingeorgia November 16th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    The big lake, it’ said, never gives up her dead, when the gales of November com early.

  5. jmills November 16th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Hi Tom!

  6. jmills November 16th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    ” When the , Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty “

  7. jmills November 16th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    ” The witch of november cum stealin’ “

  8. tomingeorgia November 16th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    jmills,
    Same to you! To anyone one who’s been a mariner, that’s one of the most haunting songs ever written.

    You guys must be stoked!

  9. jmills November 16th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    ” When his lights went out of sight “

  10. jmills November 16th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    ” Stoked ” – just about :)

  11. luis November 16th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Hello guys,

    The Jays got a little better today as well… Great deal for them… Jmills you must be thrilled, your team will be a force to reckon with next season.

    Tar,

    Spot on RE: Tigers getting the lesser and older player and overpaying as well.

    That Melky deal was exactly the kind of deal the Yankees should have made. Trade Granderson and you save a bunch of money.

  12. jacksquat November 16th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Lose Zach Kroenke, sign Zach Greinke.

  13. jmills November 16th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Luis,…I’m over the moon!

    Keith Moon is a great drummer as is Neil Peart and Bill Bruford not to mention Stewart Copeland, Roach, Rich ( of course ), BannanaRama, the Led John Bonham guy.

    Al Jackson with Odis is great as,…Well :)

  14. jmills November 16th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    Sorry,..I left out the one, the one ,Elvin Jones.

  15. jmills November 16th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    I guess I can’t spell, ” Otis.”

    ( I’m, a disgrace )

  16. blake November 16th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Hal says all the yanks need is for their players to perform better….everything is fine…..

  17. blake November 16th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Marlins’ broken promises included verbal no-trade pledges to Reyes, Buehrle. Story: http://t.co/CfdxA2qW

  18. Cashmoney November 16th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    aww…wanna emotional band aid Rey Rey… Ole G give that in writing.

  19. UnKnown November 17th, 2012 at 12:07 am

    Heathcott hit .388/.494/.612. in AZ. That is nice. Can’t wait to see how this kid progresses.

    Please no injuries, please no injuries.

  20. Jerkface November 17th, 2012 at 12:21 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Marlins’ broken promises included verbal no-trade pledges to Reyes, Buehrle. Story: http://t.co/CfdxA2qW

    Can’t cry over this, get it in writing if you want it so bad. Funny though, the Marlins are scum basically.

  21. jacksquat November 17th, 2012 at 1:04 am

    Do they have any verbal contract law in Florida?

  22. Nick in SF November 17th, 2012 at 1:15 am

    They made the promise in international waters as they watched monkey knife fights.

  23. bardos November 17th, 2012 at 4:48 am

    This feels so much like the CBS era of the sixties.

  24. RadioKev November 17th, 2012 at 6:15 am

    Anyone see this? Rumors I guess, but still…

    Hiroki Kuroda has told friends that his preference is to pitch in southern California to be near his daughters’ grade school, reports Mark Saxon of ESPN Los Angeles. Saxon speculates this could make the Dodgers and Angels the favorites for Kuroda’s services, with the Dodgers having the “presumptive edge” with Kuroda due to their past history.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....skghvr1.99

  25. RadioKev November 17th, 2012 at 6:17 am

    Sure would be nice to have Banuelos about now.

    CC, Hughes, Phelps, Nova and maybe Pettitte.

    Pineda could really earn some good graces if he helps this team out.

  26. PacoDooley November 17th, 2012 at 6:36 am

    Jerkface November 17th, 2012 at 12:21 am
    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Marlins’ broken promises included verbal no-trade pledges to Reyes, Buehrle. Story: http://t.co/CfdxA2qW

    Can’t cry over this, get it in writing if you want it so bad. Funny though, the Marlins are scum basically.

    —————————————–

    On the bright side they went from an awful organization in Miami to a very well run organization in Toronto, which appears committed to winning this year.

    I actually think that this will work out badly for Toronto in the end. I thought that the Marlins were stupid for giving Buerhle that much money and Reyes is an injury risk (not to mention Johnson). Those two FA contracts are backloaded (and I know at least the Reyes one is very backloaded), so the bad signings for Miami are even worse for Toronto (combine backloaded with players being a year older).

  27. RadioKev November 17th, 2012 at 6:40 am

    PacoDooley,

    I dunno, I like the move. It’s risky, but high upside and puts the Jays in position to contend now.

  28. filthy slider November 17th, 2012 at 6:48 am

    Can’t wait for the day Brian “small market” Ca$hman gets fired. Besides being a lousy judge of talent he’s a lazy bum. George would have had his a** out of town long ago. Tell that penny pincher Hal to move over & let Hank run the show. As long as Hal’s lowering the payroll I guess he’ll be lowering the prices at the cash register know as Yankee Stadium, right.

  29. austinmac November 17th, 2012 at 6:49 am

    In other “news”, the Yankees “aren’t close on anyone”.

  30. PacoDooley November 17th, 2012 at 6:55 am

    RadioKev November 17th, 2012 at 6:40 am
    PacoDooley,

    I dunno, I like the move. It’s risky, but high upside and puts the Jays in position to contend now.
    —————————

    Oh, I agree – makes Toronto immediately relevant this year and injects a lot of quality into their lineup. But when they get to the end of that Reyes deal they will be badly pinched – can’t remember how huge the last year is, but he will be declining and due a huge payment.

    That’s part of the real travesty in Miami that gets little attention – they fleeced the city and claimed to put a quality team on the field as part of a change of direction. But paid little for those players with the backloaded deals and then jettisoned them before the contracts became expensive.

  31. jmills November 17th, 2012 at 7:18 am

    I don’t care if Reyes barfs all over the place and old man Stieb is dragged into the mix, Rogers had to show something.

  32. Mike Ri November 17th, 2012 at 7:26 am

    MLBTR …

    Hiroki Kuroda has told friends that his preference is to pitch in southern California to be near his daughters’ grade school, reports Mark Saxon of ESPN Los Angeles. Saxon speculates this could make the Dodgers and Angels the favorites for Kuroda’s services, with the Dodgers having the “presumptive edge” with Kuroda due to their past history.

  33. jmills November 17th, 2012 at 7:32 am

    Hey Kuroda, southern Ontario, southern California,same thing.

  34. RadioKev November 17th, 2012 at 7:39 am

    I always feel good when another team tries to show a little something. It’s good for baseball, good for that city and their fans. Plus competition theoretically makes everyone better, and we’re seeing that in the AL East. Well, of course, the Yankees aren’t actually getting “better,” but they should still have enough to win.

    Then again, the trade is probably a net loss for baseball. This all but kills the Miami market for 5-10 years.

  35. Tar November 17th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    I would be ok with a year or two of rebuilding, if it sets the team up for the future and makes them younger and more athletic. I am very patient with young players.

    I would also be ok with signing Kuroda, Andy and Hamilton and going for another championship.

    You just have to go all in, one way or the other.

  36. RadioKev November 17th, 2012 at 7:45 am

    All I know is I don’t want to see a 40 year old Robinson Cano as a Yankee.

  37. jmills November 17th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    I’m so happy that Yunel thing is gone, strange how somewhere else would accept his eye liner.

  38. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    RadioKev -

    What Free Agent will sign with Miami ever again?

    But anyone who doesn’t insist on getting something in writing that a team says it will do (which it doesn’t normally do, especially) is short-sighted. They traded in absolute security for a few more million dollars, and they took the word of a team that has showed a willingness (a compulsion??) to blow itself up every few years.

    I think the Tampa Rays have to seriously consider leaving Florida.

    I think baseball might have to take a look at back-loaded contracts?

    The Blue Jays are being gutsy and taking a risk – they really have nothing (but money) to lose by doing so. They probably energized their fan base with these moves so perhaps their attendance goes up a bit, and given indication that they are all in. The proof is in the pudding though. Can these guys stay healthy? Can they perform as they’re expected to? If so, wow. If not, they’re really no worse off than they were at the end of 2012, I guess.

    The AL East is a true beast, though. I’m crossing my fingers that because Kuroda still probably only wants one year that the Yankees can see clear to giving him maybe a bit more money than they had hoped to, now that they know there is a competitive market for his services out there. It will be a lot easier moving forward if they have Kuroda (though, who knows if he’ll duplicate his 2012 performance?). Was Kuroda disheartened by the lack of run support he got? He could easily have had about 5 or more additional wins with a run or two here and there. Is he further disheartened that perhaps next year will be worse in that regard? The Dodgers are a different team since he left.

  39. RadioKev November 17th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    jmills November 17th, 2012 at 7:47 am
    I’m so happy that Yunel thing is gone, strange how somewhere else would accept his eye liner.
    ———-

    Yes. They’re very sensitive about Latino culture in Miami. Ask Ozzie.

  40. Cashmoney November 17th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Melky, to me, is essentially a championship caliber piece if he reaches his kc or possibly sf side. I understand Yanks not signing him, i just like to know if the organization even contemplate him as an option. here is a guy who has played in NY and has a supporting system in place with the Yankees. the risk is as we know now is 2 for 16, the upside is an apt replacement for Swisher and possible more, the down side is you are getting the ATL version him and overpaying him for about 10 mil or so.

    to me, he is just another viable piece off the board if the Yanks plan to field a championship caliber team in 13. It’s early, i like to see what cashman has up his sleeve when spring comes around.

    but go all in one way and another is about right.

  41. Against All Odds November 17th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Many ppl don’t want to see that but by the time that happens Robbie should repeat should be the only or at least a couple of old guys on the team making big money. None of us can predict the future but if Robbie is a small group of players with a salary 20 million hopefully it doesn’t handcuff us

  42. jmills November 17th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Out come the fair weather dome crowd.

  43. RadioKev November 17th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Hey Villa Nova-Ya,

    Yeah, I think the Rays should consider moving although I have no clue about the details of that sort of thing. How plausible it is. It seems to me that the Tampa market can’t support a baseball team, even though supposedly enough people like the team. Maybe it’s the park, I dunno.

    As far as Kuroda leaving the Yankees, I wouldn’t be surprised. Everything we know about him kinda shows he’s not really attached one way or another. A “hired gun” if you will, but I don’t really mean that in a pejorative way.

  44. RadioKev November 17th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Against All Odds November 17th, 2012 at 7:56 am
    Many ppl don’t want to see that but by the time that happens Robbie should repeat should be the only or at least a couple of old guys on the team making big money. None of us can predict the future but if Robbie is a small group of players with a salary 20 million hopefully it doesn’t handcuff us
    ———–

    Yeah, that’s a good point. It’s all about managing these contracts, how many you can have on the books at once. That’s why I wasn’t in favor of taking on Cole Hamels. We would have overextended ourselves on that one. That’s also why not signing Cliff Lee may be for the better. We’ll still have to see.

  45. bobg November 17th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    http://espn.go.com/blog/los-an.....oki-kuroda Kuroda could have other plans rather than signing with the Yankees not good.

  46. Cashmoney November 17th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    just a hunch, I think the Yanks will end up with Choo in eventuality….

  47. RhapsodyInBlue November 17th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    The Kuroda LA link was posted here numerous times yesterday afternoon.

  48. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    RadioKev -

    Absolutely about Kuroda having no particular loyalty (except maybe, ultimately, Japan?). It won’t surprise me if he leaves, but it sets the Yankees back a step or two.

    Against All Odds -

    Yeah, if Cano is the only “bad contract” at that point in time, or one of a very very few, it should not be a problem. I really don’t want them to let Cano go. (But I have to agree with those who say if they really have no intention of going all in on him, then they need to not just let him walk away as a FA – ouch, it hurts to type that!).

  49. Cashmoney November 17th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    kuroda to LA makes perfect sense, I recommend nyy to start rebuilding in 13 if we do lose him. simply too many holes to fill under Yanks self mandated of one year contract offerings and the lack of quality in FA. I hope they don’t something foolish and trade away the future.

  50. Cashmoney November 17th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    *mandate

  51. austinmac November 17th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Cash,

    I agree with you. If Kuroda doesn’t return, they cannot compete by replacing hima nd filling the other holes on the cheap and still compete. Trade Grandeson and perhaps Cano. Bring up players, trade for young players. At least here is hope in that approach rather than watching a slow slide into the quicksand.

  52. RadioKev November 17th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Cashmoney November 17th, 2012 at 8:08 am
    kuroda to LA makes perfect sense, I recommend nyy to start rebuilding in 13 if we do lose him. simply too many holes to fill under Yanks self mandated of one year contract offerings and the lack of quality in FA. I hope they don’t something foolish and trade away the future.
    ———–

    Eh, not that I’m against a rebuilding type phase, but Kuroda doesn’t make or break us. He’d make things much easier…

    I mean, look at the A’s, or the Giants this past year. Now, they had a good core of talent, but they also were built together with spare parts too. The Giants were unfinished until the trade deadline, had to scrap Lincecum as a starter and depending on Zito in the playoffs.

    The Yankees have enough to contend this year.

  53. Cashmoney November 17th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Yeah, if Cano is the only “bad contract” at that point in time
    —–
    it depends projection of cano’s prime years and whether the Yanks are contemplating rebuilding process in the near future. cano might be as close to necessity in fielding a competitive championship quality team… but on rebuilding team, he is not. the same goes with all the quality players NYY has on FA markets right now.

  54. MTU November 17th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Morning.

    All quiet on the Eastern front I see.

    At least the NY portion.

  55. Against All Odds November 17th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Yeah, if Cano is the only “bad contract” at that point in time, or one of a very very few, it should not be a problem. I really don’t want them to let Cano go. (But I have to agree with those who say if they really have no intention of going all in on him, then they need to not just let him walk away as a FA – ouch, it hurts to type that!).

    ——————————–

    Definitely hurts to type it. The kid went from an unknown to someone to keep an eye on to a good player to a star to the best player on the team/one of the top players in the game.

  56. Against All Odds November 17th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    RhapsodyInBlue November 17th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    The Kuroda LA link was posted here numerous times yesterday afternoon.

    ———————–

    And every time it’s posted the knife gets pushed in deeper

  57. jmills November 17th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    MTU, this is the most baseball fun I’ve had since,…..I don’t know when ( same century as the Titanic or something )

  58. Cashmoney November 17th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Eh, not that I’m against a rebuilding type phase, but Kuroda doesn’t make or break us. He’d make things much easier…
    —–
    the yanks has no internal replacement that can duplicate his numbers imo. Yanks are not getting Greinke. Which essential leaves the option of acquire his type of production via a trade, which i don’t think Yanks can afford the price tag in talents nor should they in one would naturally assume a hefty price. it’s not impossible like you said, but it won’t the be best course of action to take. Reverse your gear would be much easier process and a logical thing to do.

  59. austinmac November 17th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Kev,

    With a third rate catcher, an old outfielder, a 40+ year old closer, maybe no Pettitte I don’t see them in contention. They looked old and tired last year. They won’t be any younger.

    Could they be with some moves? Yes, but I don’t think they will make them due to the budget. I darn sure don’t want them trading our best minor leaguers for so-so temporary fixes.

    As others have said, go one way or the other. Letting the free agents walk for a poor chance to win this year is utterly foolish, IMO.

  60. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Cashmoney -

    But IMO, you need someone to rebuild around. I think Cano is the only guy offensively that fits that bill.

  61. Cashmoney November 17th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    i live in a yankee universe where i think most fans would endorse a rebuilding effort if they see a clear directions and along with some youths with talents that can provide hope and entertainments. I am sure some don’t.

  62. austinmac November 17th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Jmills,

    Enjoy your new team while we look for ours in the post-holiday bargain bin. Do you have an guys you’re about to release we can have?

  63. RadioKev November 17th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    They looked old and tired last year. They won’t be any younger.
    ———

    The rest of the league musta been infants or in the grave.

  64. Cashmoney November 17th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Villa, I think by the time Yanks restock, if they are, Cano will be at the tail end of prime years. I don’t see vital piece to have in a rebuilding effort most because his age and my projection of him. it’s not absolute.

  65. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Cashmoney -

    Fair point.

  66. jmills November 17th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Sorry, Steve Austin, for a change my team fully imbides and its been a long time since I picked up a glove….

    Never can tell what will happen, but for now,….party on the ceiling.

  67. austinmac November 17th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Kev,

    So, you think Jeter, AROD and Tex will improve or decline?

    You didn’t think their bats looked slow in the playoffs, and actually for most of the second half when they barely played above .500?

    Keep your optimism. We sure need some around here.

  68. Yankee Trader November 17th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Kurodas two daughters are in elementary school. If he signs with the Dodgers, or even the Angels,what is Plan B, C, or D, knowing the Andy Pettitte can rarely decide before Christmas to come back?

    Put everything on hold to find a RF’er?

    Just find a pitcher who’s a FA at the end of next season, or one seeking a one year contract-maybe Jamie Moyer? :(

  69. PacoDooley November 17th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    Cashmoney November 17th, 2012 at 8:08 am
    kuroda to LA makes perfect sense, I recommend nyy to start rebuilding in 13 if we do lose him. simply too many holes to fill under Yanks self mandated of one year contract offerings and the lack of quality in FA. I hope they don’t something foolish and trade away the future
    ——————————————–

    I don’t think that they will ‘rebuild’, but they can still look to maximize their long term success during these years of ‘hardship’. For example, if Kuroda leaves for LA, they could potentially have three supplementary round picks plus their own first round pick (no way they lose that), so they could have a huge class of possibly high quality prospects to add, not to mention to larger draft pool of funds to allocate.

    A strong farm system also means that they an trade young prospects for guys in their arbitration years that teams want to shed to reduce salary. So a deep farm system is a key even if they return to free spending…

  70. austinmac November 17th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    YT,

    It’s the same plan B they had when Lee didn’t sign.

  71. Cashmoney November 17th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    I think S & D has always been important in the past but now it becomes paramount in sustaining the life blood of any organizations in terms long term sustain success. Yanks ought to realize that by now under the new CBA.

  72. jmills November 17th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    YT, kids dictate everything; my daughter’s been ruling things around here forever.

  73. 86w183 November 17th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    It’s a cute rumor, but I can’t see Kuroda choosing a team based on his daughters’ elementary school. Where were they a year ago? How did that matter?

    I’m more concerned aobut the OF long term. Right now opening day would be Gardner, Granderson and a Dickerson/Mesa platoon. Not exactly world beaters there. Upton or Bourn would be a really nice addition and I was always in favor of signing Melky.

  74. RadioKev November 17th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    austinmac November 17th, 2012 at 8:37 am
    Kev,

    So, you think Jeter, AROD and Tex will improve or decline?

    You didn’t think their bats looked slow in the playoffs, and actually for most of the second half when they barely played above .500?

    Keep your optimism. We sure need some around here.
    ———-

    Haha, you know, I knew you’d flip it around and ask me “So where do YOU stand?” as if I don’t understand the progression of time.

    I’m just saying check the hyperbole at the door. They won the AL last year. They were undoubtedly better than the Tigers, who shouldn’t have been in the post season.

    And yeah, I don’t care what happened in the post season. Why are Cano’s results just coincidence, and everyone else on the team is because they’re old or they suck? Couldn’t it be coincidence too? That maybe a whole wealth of season results suggested they’re better than that?

    My point is that they should still have enough to compete next year. Nothing more, nothing less. Sorry that isn’t black and white.

  75. Yankee Trader November 17th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Austinmac-

    Tex-if healthy will get his 30 homers and nearly 100 RBI’s. Will continue to have his poor BA from the left side, because all opposing teams should use the shift on him and pitch him accordingly.

    Jeter-Recuperating from surgery for his fractured ankle. Range further limited, to play SS? Still the leadoff hitter if he won’t be stealing bases or can’t go 1st to 3rd on a hit to RF?

    ARod-The “tinkering” man. Will he have it all figured out in ST because he sure looked lost at the end of the season, in recognizing pitches, bat speed, everything. If he gets off to a poor start, how will he react to the merciless booing he’ll most likely receive?

    Just my 3 cents.

  76. jmills November 17th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Yeah, Radio – it should have been the Yanks and A’s and Ken Holtzman take notice.

    Cage those wild birds and no inter cross over garbage.

  77. Against All Odds November 17th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    Cashmoney November 17th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    i live in a yankee universe where i think most fans would endorse a rebuilding effort if they see a clear directions and along with some youths with talents that can provide hope and entertainments. I am sure some don’t.

    ———————–

    A majority of fans couldn’t deal with 08. They would go insane over a rebuilding period.

  78. Yankee Trader November 17th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    86w183-

    Do you agree that in order for the Yankees to trade for an outfielder, if a pitcher is to be included, they most likely would like to know soon if Kuroda is on board, and if not that Pettitte could commit much sooner than he usually does?

    Now if you are referring to BJ Upton or any FA outfielder it makes no difference. Bourn BTW faded for the Braves the last few months of the season, and the Braves are entertaining BJ Upton, as are the Phillies and Nats. One of them might have him signed soon.

  79. 86w183 November 17th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    I like BJ Upton’s upside and he was really good down the stretch this year.

    I don’t think the Yanks will do anything until they know how much money (if any) they are paying Kuroda + Pettitte + Rivera.

    If all three sign to pitch for NYY next year then they can deal from strength involving one of Hughes/Nova/Phelps and one of Joba/Aardsma/Robertson plus youngsters if that can get someone in Justin Upton/Chase Headley.Carlos Gonzalez category.

    If you sign BJ before any trades then Gardner/Granderson could be used as well.

    Other than Toronto no one has done anything overly dramatic. Hunter to Detroit is a nice addition but that’s about it.

  80. 86w183 November 17th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Gonna be a working weekend for me… might be on a bit tonight, but that’s about it.

    Enjoy the weekend all and don’t panic… it’s still Mid-November after all.

  81. jmills November 17th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Bye All, haircut and altered pants for me.

    Have a good one.

  82. Against All Odds November 17th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    They were undoubtedly better than the Tigers,

    ——————————-

    They were swept by the Tigers.

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Melky, to me, is essentially a championship caliber piece if he reaches his kc or possibly sf side. I understand Yanks not signing him, i just like to know if the organization even contemplate him as an option. here is a guy who has played in NY and has a supporting system in place with the Yankees. the risk is as we know now is 2 for 16, the upside is an apt replacement for Swisher and possible more, the down side is you are getting the ATL version him and overpaying him for about 10 mil or so.
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    There is zero chance Melky puts up Atlanta-type numbers: zero chance, barring some kind of injury.

    The idea that he’s some “risk” in terms of scale: that he’s an All-Star caliber hitter on one end, or some derelict bat at any moment at the other – is sheer fantasy, created by Brian Cashman’s LOUSY self scouting in the first place, and lacking in reality.

    The outlier IS NOT the last two seasons: it’s 2010.

    Don Mattingly, Alex Rodriguez, Robinson Cano and George Brett all have at least two things in common: they are or have been elite hitters, and they all have commented on how talented Melky Cabrera is as a hitter.

    This “fourth outfielder” junk is espoused by a guy who has no predictive gift whatsoever when it comes to identifying hitting prowess; one who is also resentful and smug and who likes to run down players he’s traded (please see: “NL pitcher” comment about Ian Kennedy).

    So, it’s really just some empty hope that the Yankees have somehow avoided a great “risk” by not re-entertaining Melky Cabrera. They are small minded, petty and have passed on the kind of player they are in desperate need of.

    At a certain point, setting Melky aside, a wide-awake fan has to draw the conclusion that Brian Cashman is not the guy to build back up the Yankees. Even the upside guys on the farm are always in jeopardy, because despite his “we’ll build from within” rhetoric, he’s burned both Jackson and Montero and I see no reason to think Sanchez or Heathcott or Williams are safe, if he can get himself another pitcher.

    He had a ready-made solution for hanging onto those types of upside guys and he blew it. Just blew it. Somebody in here said last night that the Yankees should have taken the “clubhouse” risk with Cabrera. This is another fiction, that he was a bad clubhouse guy.

    Derek f’n Jeter said, before Melky got busted for testosterone, that Cabrera is a “good clubhouse guy and a good teammate”. That’s Derek Jeter talking. If he was some kind of malignancy, would Jeter take up for him? Sounded like Jeter, in fact, was giving bringing the kid back a ringing endorsement.

    Really, I didn’t expect them to actually make sense and re-sign this player; they continue to meet my expectations, which are nil. And I’ll not be surprised when they waste some great young talent in the system to bring in a bat or arm. I’m even more disgusted than I was in January, and there seems to be no remedy, since these people in the FO are thoroughly entrenched. Oh well, like our resident vapid, vision-less pom-pom wavers are always admonishing: it’s their team and their money.

  84. Yankee Trader November 17th, 2012 at 9:11 am

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