Wishing you an early happy Thanksgiving
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 19, 2012 
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This holiday message is coming a few days early because I’m actually on vacation this week. I’ll spare you the details, but if all goes to plan, I’ll be someplace warm and sunny by tomorrow. Of course, we’ll have the usual cast of characters to fill in on the blog if news actually breaks this week, and if you’re looking for something non-Yankees to do, go see that new Lincoln movie. I saw it last night and loved it. Anyway, just wanted to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving and a good week in general. Who knows, maybe the Yankees will give you something to be thankful for.
dittos… wish all a good week and happy thanksgiving. To me, it’s the best holiday.
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Enjoy your vacation Chad
Have a great vacation, Chad. You work very hard for us and we appreciate it.
So, with the Yankees getting $1.5 Billion in the sale of part of YES – does that mean that they’re going to be willing to go beyond the $189 level?
Happy Thanksgiving Chad.. no worries, you won’t miss any breaking news while away!
Just read Sherman’s article.. don’t understand this: “Here is the surer element: Even if the Yankees dive under $189 million for 2014, they almost certainly will not stay there in 2015 despite the continuing financial benefits for doing so. Because the tax resets at a substantially lower level, the Yankees will be well-timed to capitalize on a free-agent class after the 2014 season that currently includes a potential replacement for Derek Jeter in Elvis Andrus and arguably the three best starters in the game: Felix Hernandez, Clayton Kershaw and Justin Verlander.”
I’m not sure I agree… but do hope given Sherman’s in with the org this is true.
To me, though, it still sounds like people can’t swallow the idea that the Yanks are cutting spending… including Sherman. There’s just a general sense of denial surrounding the whole thing.
And this part, “General manager Brian Cashman has stated multiple times that the front office should be ashamed if it cannot forge a title contender at $189 million,” is just irritating.
I will never understand fans that are insecure about ‘buying championships’ and have a more difficult time understanding it coming from people in the organization.
Chip November 19th, 2012 at 9:35 am
So, with the Yankees getting $1.5 Billion in the sale of part of YES – does that mean that they’re going to be willing to go beyond the $189 level?
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THAT’S how much they’re getting?! Wait I’m really confused now.. I thought the Yankees weren’t selling any of their shares but one of the other shareholders was selling..? The Yanks directly profit?
I think this is very interesting:
2010-2011
Michael Bourn:
.281/.345/.368/.713
97 OPS+
299 games
112 bb, 249 so
178 runs
113 sb, 26 cs
Brett Gardner:
.267/.364/.374/.737
98 OPS+
309 games
139 bb, 194 so
184 runs
96 sb, 22 cs
Bourn is supposedly looking for a contract over 75 mil.
I think some people should stop calling Brett Gardner a 4th outfielder.
Thanks Chad, enjoy your vacation.
Shame Spencer November 19th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Chip November 19th, 2012 at 9:35 am
So, with the Yankees getting $1.5 Billion in the sale of part of YES – does that mean that they’re going to be willing to go beyond the $189 level?
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THAT’S how much they’re getting?! Wait I’m really confused now.. I thought the Yankees weren’t selling any of their shares but one of the other shareholders was selling..? The Yanks directly profit?
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Ah I thought the Yankees were getting part of the money because it was the only way to get NewsCorp to 49%.
YES is valued at $3B so that’s where the $1.5 comes from
Gardner and Bourn are close to the same player….Bourn had a little better BA potential I think but aside from injury concerns there isn’t much difference IMO……which is why teams like the Nats, Braves , Phillies etc who are in on Bourn should have interest in Gardner……
blake November 19th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Gardner and Bourn are close to the same player….Bourn had a little better BA potential I think but aside from injury concerns there isn’t much difference IMO……which is why teams like the Nats, Braves , Phillies etc who are in on Bourn should have interest in Gardner……
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Except Bourn has better health history.
“Except Bourn has better health history.”
I said that….. But the fact that Bourn will cost A LOT more should make up for that
So, with the Yankees getting $1.5 Billion in the sale of part of YES
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The Yankees aren’t getting $1.5B
Not that they should trade Gardner …..but Id see what they could get for him….Heathcott isn’t that far away if he can stay healthy
I think I might rather just keep Gardner, he’s a pretty good value and can play CF and leadoff (if necessary) for us the next two years until hopefully Heathcott or Williams are ready.
Chip – Looks like a little voodoo math to me.. if the Yankees only own 35%ish of YES, others could sell to get News Corps to 49% without the Yanks giving up any shares. I don’t think the Yankees were selling any shares in this deal so I doubt they profit.
Chip November 19th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Except Bourn has better health history.
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Only last year.
I don’t necessarily want to trade Garnder either but they should be considering all options….if you could turn him into a young 3B or SS or corner outfielder with more upside then Id consider it……Gardner is gonna get more expensive and as he nears 30 is value is going to decrease…..all his value is in his legs….when they start to go his value is gonna plummet unless he really improves his ability at the plate
I think Gardner has value. He compares to Bourn. I have heard them say on MLB radio the Yankees should go after Bourn. To that, I disagree.
“i have heard them say on MLB radio the Yankees should go after Bourn. To that, I disagree.”
That’s be a terrible decision
Yankees
#Yankees named 2012 @MLB “Club Retailer of the Year” for club’s commitment to driving merchandise sales.
Gardner is gonna get more expensive and as he nears 30 is value is going to decrease
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He turns 30 this season. Given that he didn’t play much in 2012, I don’t think he brings much on trade.
blake November 19th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Not that they should trade Gardner …..but Id see what they could get for him….Heathcott isn’t that far away if he can stay healthy
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There you go thinkin’ again blake… give it a rest and join Team Glutton for Punishment with myself and GLove lol. Everythings fine!!! It’s still early!! This team won 95 games! Wait till the All-Star break!!
(Incidentally, the ‘this team won 95 games last year’ will be my favorite trope of this off season… especially since ‘this team’ will look a little different in 2013, but hey, tomAto tomaHto.)
pat November 19th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Yankees
#Yankees named 2012 @MLB “Club Retailer of the Year” for club’s commitment to driving merchandise sales.
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Anyone else feel like we’re on the Truman Show lately?? And everyone involved in or reporting on all things Yankees are actually actors with the sole intention of driving the fanbase completely insane???
They basically have Bourn for a lot less money.
I don’t know if he’ll lose his legs anytime soon, not too much anyway, he’s a smaller guy and should be able to stay athletic. It’s usually the bigger guys that lose their speed earlier.
Seems like some Yankee news has broken in the past when Pete/Sam/Chad step away from the blog for vacation…….
AAA November 19th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Gardner is gonna get more expensive and as he nears 30 is value is going to decrease
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He turns 30 this season. Given that he didn’t play much in 2012, I don’t think he brings much on trade.
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He’s 8 months younger than Bourn.
Ichiro and Kuroda will not be participaing in WBC for Japan.
Gardner is going to be 30 already Wtf
What’s happening Gang.
Are we there yet ?
pat November 19th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Seems like some Yankee news has broken in the past when Pete/Sam/Chad step away from the blog for vacation
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Come on down Giancarlo Stanton lol
I just do Not see the Yanks shelling out significant coin\yrs of committment, for Bourne or any other free agent. The Yanks will trade for players with bargain AAV contracts, but that’s the only way they will add a player of any real stature. This is why I would wheel-and-deal with both Arizona and SD for J Upton and or Headley. Make Cano\Gardner\Grandy\Nunez\Phelps\Nova\Hughes\Bushers\$$$\ available, and see what Arizona and or SD likes off that menu. This is why I continue to say, you aint gonna see or hear squat outta the Yanks, till the Winter Meetings. Once The Meetings start, there will be rumors galore, and hopefully some Yankee players changing uni’s.
Good morning everyone,
BREAKING NEWS! ” Reggie Jackson seriously considering coming out of retirement. He figured that if Arod can play until 40, he can past 70. The Yankees are thrilled at this bit of news, since he fills the profile of player they are looking for: big hairy monster, past his prime and older than 35″
Have I mentioned how much I hate the WBC lol?
I’m so glad Jeter can’t play this year. I hope CC doesn’t either since he had that bone removed.
Alex can play. I think he has a goal to play for ALL the countries.
“He turns 30 this season. Given that he didn’t play much in 2012, I don’t think he brings much on trade.”
I think he’s got quite a bit….loads of teams need CF help and lead off hitters….of course the Yankees need outfield help as well
pat says:
November 19, 2012 at 10:18 am
Seems like some Yankee news has broken in the past when Pete/Sam/Chad step away from the blog for vacation…….
Prepare for an Ibanez signjng
I love the idea of the WBC ….but finding a time to play it is really tough….
Because of the nature of baseball…..the timing with hitters and injury concerns with pitchers it’s just much tougher to do an event like this…..
I’ve mentioned before that the best way to do it IMO would be to make it like an extended version of the Futures game and make it all all minor league event…..that way you’re not dealing with injury risk for high salary big leaguers and it also gives fans a chance to see the future of the game.
blake – I still like the idea of swapping hockey out of the winter Olympics to the summer (so it wouldnt conflict with their season either) and having baseball be a main centerpiece of the winter Olympics. Main issue is that not as many countries love it… yet.
Good morning and happy Thanksgiving week to all.
Hey primo! Good to see you.
Repost:
J. Alfred Prufrock November 19th, 2012 at 10:28 am
As Mark Twain once said, “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”
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LOL, that’s a beaut.
J. Alfred Prufrock November 19th, 2012 at 10:39 am
We didn’t learn anything that we here didn’t know…..but the mainstream Yankee fans that do follow this stuff as closely may have learned a thing or two and the main thing is that a big columnist finally asked the question “what would George do”……if they start losing games there will be a big fan backlash
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There’s already fan backlash. We’re fans – read these pages for what, a couple months running, at least? And we who have been railing at management and not trusting it since before January, and moreso even after…and throughout the year when nothing was done to buoy the lineup? I haven’t visited other sites lately, but there must be unrest, because the mainstream fan that does follow stuff participates on these boards.
The Yankees have already been hit hard by STH not re-upping. But as long as they can put up a token season with a division title and “95 wins” you’re going to get the apologist fan that will die by that sword. How many people right after the Montero trade in here argued – certainly, with me – that runs scored and other BS stats meant the offense, the lineup, was indeed “fine”?
They would have to really, really suck for that contingent to wake up and smell the coffee. That type of fan either can’t, or won’t, see trends before they reach their crudest manifestations. It’s that self-deluded fan and his/her distorted sense of “loyalty” or “good fandom” or whatever rubbish they buy into, that Hal Steinbrenner can bank on. The wheels would have to simply fall off, I would say, for a big enough noise to happen.
I am now just hoping they tread water at least, if no moves are made, so they don’t then rip up the farm and not only have nothing to show for it in the present, but damage any chance at a shot in like 2015 an going forward.
To get a tournament going that wasn’t US based, however, would go a long way in spreading the popularity of the sport…
Ichiro, Yu Darvish and Norichika Aoki have said they are not playing for Japan this time. The timing is really bad for major leaguers. I hope none of our guys do it. It’s especially bad for pitchers.
jacksquat November 19th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Ichiro, Yu Darvish and Norichika Aoki have said they are not playing for Japan this time. The timing is really bad for major leaguers. I hope none of our guys do it. It’s especially bad for pitchers.
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Banking on CC using the surgery excuse *crosses fingers*
Have you ever noticed where the Winter Olympics are held? Baseball? Not likely.
The WBC should be age-limited @ 21. That eliminates the vast majority of MLB players and virtually all pitchers.
Of course that’s a huge advantage to countries that routinely lie about how old their athletes are — China, Cuba and The Dominican Republic come to mind.
86 – They make snow for the winter Olympics fairly regularly.. indoor stadiums are often required to be built for the games anyway.
My point is having a ‘world’ tournament that only takes place in the USA every time it comes around is stupid and doesn’t actually do what a tournament like that is supposed to do which is create a greater reach for the sport and develop new talent pools.
Jays still looking for a manager. Trade Girardi for Melky.
Happy Thanksgiving to you as well Chad!
Hockey continues to shoot itself in the foot. Attempting to clean-up that sport is Dumb. Casual fans Love the fights, just like casual fans love seeing crashes at Nascar\Indy races. You notice how ESPN played up the pit scuffle a couple weeks ago. ESPN gets it in this regard. This stuff about the beautiful skating in hockey, etc, is pure Bunk. Hockey will continue to be small-time, till they achieve all quiet on the labor front, and allow The Goons to once again do their thing. Yea, it’s barbaric, but people eat-it-up.
bobby V is available.
So is Ozzie.
Shame,
My Penguins clearly suffered a couple of years ago from Olympic participation. Gonchar, already aging, was hurt, Malkin was hurt, and Sid’s leading Canada to gold ultimately cost us another championship.
Have a well deserved vacation, and a great Holiday Chad.
Thanks for all your hard work.
Buster_ESPN
Considering the high prices on the FA center fielders, you wonder if teams will start calling NYY on Granderson, who has one-yr., $15m deal.
JAP – I’ve been pretty surprised it hasn’t come up at all in any of the articles I’ve read about negotiations.. I know it was a big chip the owners were holding over the players. If they shifted it out of the winter Olympics it wouldn’t be as much of a hardship.. I think participation in the Olympics is a major draw for casual fans of the sport.
The origin of hockey’s widespread lack of popularity in the States is easy to pinpoint: most youngsters don’t have natural ice, therefore, the sport isn’t played much at a grass roots level in most of the country. To play hockey you need 1). equipment, 2). ice time 3). parents who are willing to drive you to the rink, sometimes at odd hours, to allow you to get into games.
A glove, a bat, and a playing field nearly every kid has access to, especially suburbanites across the country. Throwing a football in the backyard also yields the same immediacy. Hockey is abstract, is not experienced, and therefore it doesn’t resonate. Just go to New England, a few hours north. Totally different deal; hockey is part of the culture there.
pat November 19th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Buster_ESPN
Considering the high prices on the FA center fielders, you wonder if teams will start calling NYY on Granderson, who has one-yr., $15m deal.
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“He has no trade value!” – Lohud
Shame, I was a big fan of the “amateur” Olympic games, except the then-Soviets were considered to have too big of an edge.
GM’s going for the whole thing, Love getting a player with good numbers, and Only having him on the books for 1 season. The way the Yanks are pinching pennies, I would NOT stockpile draft picks. Hal aint gonna shell out big money for lottery tickets. I’d deal Grandy\Cano, and get a legit player or players.
Who said he has no trade value?
and I should add the most obvious deterrent of all: anyone can run, jog, etc. If you can’t skate, you cannot play hockey at any proficient sort of level. No good athlete wants to incredibly humbling experience of trying to play a sport where his legs constantly betray him. The puck movement requires being not just so-so on skates, but extremely agile.
Can’t skate, can’t play.
*the incredibly humbling experience…
Hockey’s major problem is that it does NOT translate well to TV. It’s tough to garner fans via TV, when the viewer Frequently loses sight of the puck.
There’s a fair portion of Lohud that thinks he has minimal value because we know he can’t see and he only has one year/$15 million. Some look at the $15 million as the detriment, some look at the one year as the issue, others look at his awful BA/strikeout rate as the major problem.
I think that within a package of 2-3 players Grandy could bring back a pretty good haul. The problem now is we’re in a gridlock of sorts… can you trade Grandy when your plan right now is to not spend more than $8 million AAV in the OF?
I don’t think anybody has said Granderson has ZERO trade value. He has trade value, but his value is somewhat diminished by the fact he has just one year left on his deal.
Though, if the Yanks plan to move him, they would need to replace him, and they have not made any moves to bring in OFs so far … Scott Hairston is a possibility to offset this Lefty-leaning outfield. But I imagine Hairston can command at least a two-year deal, and the Yanks have shied away from multi-year deals.
They should shop Granderson to the braves, Nats, Phillies, Giants etc as I’ve been saying for months….tons of teams are looking for outfield help and lots of them are contenders who would’ve to have Granderson for a year.
The problem of course is that the Yankees are also one of those teams that need outfield hell so you really can’t trade Granderson unless 1) you can replace him with somebody as good or better 2) you’re ready to just throw up your hands a rebuild
Shame
You gave me a good laugh yesterday. I was jus skimming comments and had to stop and read for contexts when I got to yours about baking a pie topless.
If you’re trading Granderson and you wanna win in 2013 then you either need to have a trade for Justin Upton or Alex Gordon lined up…. Or you need to be willing to sign Hamilton.
I say ….sign Hamilton, trade Granderson and then let Cano walk after 2013 if he wants 200 million…..but they won’t do that …..
Donnybrook,
It’s an awful TV sport, granted, although Hockey Night In Canada does a much better job because they have higher cameras, but it still isn’t ideal.
I don’t think that’s the problem though. I think that’s a symptom of the problem. Having both played and watched hockey, I understand it enough to have a sense of where the puck is, where the players are, etc, even though the cameras fail to capture the cohesive scale and speed of the game.
It’s like baseball. If you’ve played or watched enough of it live, you have a sense of which balls ought to have been caught, etc., even though the camera can’t really translate that for television viewers. Of course, in hockey, it’s far worse.
So, you have people who have other sports to turn to, who have neither played the sport, nor attending many live hockey games, and the TV product, which fails to convey the great speed, skill and athleticism of the game, does not really make people want to take a closer look.
But I agree the TV product can be discouraging, if there’s any curiosity. I don’t know how many people have said, “I never liked hockey until I went to a live game.” Well, they never liked it, because they never gave it much thought, having never played it, because they can’t skate and they don’t have natural ice available to learn to skate and play. But take them to a game, and they are won over, if only briefly.
The morning is not complete without Pruf making a thinly veiled Montero reference and blake mentioning Hamilton.
Hockey looks a lot better on tv now than it used to… I wish they would use more innovative camera angles. They’ve done a bit of it and it really showcases the speed of the game better but they could do more. Either way, playing hockey in the summer doesn’t seem like a such a crazy stretch in these modern times.
We need baseball to develop more markets so we can pilfer talent from them!!
Fake trade Alert:
Yankees get: Martin Prado
braves get : Granderson and Mike Olt
rangers get : Teheran and Delgado.
Yankees get a 3B and high average hitter who can also play corner OF, Braves get a CFer and young 3B, Rangers get young pitching.
Of course Id rather Olt ….but the Braves have more to offer. Basically you’d be trading 1 year of Granderson for 1 year of Prado which Id do I think
Shame Spencer November 19th, 2012 at 11:16 am
There’s a fair portion of Lohud that thinks he has minimal value because we know he can’t see and he only has one year/$15 million. Some look at the $15 million as the detriment, some look at the one year as the issue, others look at his awful BA/strikeout rate as the major problem.
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Put him in Philly or Texas and he will hit home runs and play a very good CF. He’s what, 31?
I still don’t see what they’re doing for an everyday CF without him. I do not like Gardner for CF. He’s best suited to left.
LOL – Pat!! I think you’re the only one that caught the double entendre, which I admittedly didn’t intend for and only noticed later. I was sure one of the fellas would call me on it.
Once I was about to type a comment about how I was giving Chad’s fingers a workout and had to delete it because I realized mid-sentence it could really turn the blog into a forum for smut given my self-proclaimed title of being the best looking person to ever live… (that was what I was named wasn’t it?? Just leave me alone, I have self-esteem issues!)
Yankees get: Martin Prado
braves get : Granderson and Mike Olt
rangers get : Teheran and Delgado
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Braves say no to that IMO
I do not like Gardner for CF. He’s best suited to left.
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He is a far superior thrower, runner, catcher than Granderson. He is their best option in CF.
Seriously though, variations on Thanksgiving recipes will take us through November and then we can focus on the more commercialized holiday season.
A coworker just told me about how she preps her turkey: submerge in a container of two bottles of red and two bottles of white wine over night and cook the next day. Sounded amazing.
Anyone have any special dishes?
Thanksgiving is more interesting than the Yankees.
I think the Yankees can net a very good prospect for the Granderson. Look at what the Mets got for half season of Beltran….
Primo,
Made a couple of responses, but for some reason they didn’t appear. My fourth try. I don’t think the Yankees will make the PS. So they will have a fan backlash for sure, for several reasons:
1) An old and declining lineup getting one year older.
2) The production loss as a result of some players leaving the team
3) Kuroda is probably going back to California
4) Pettitte might stay retired, since he will see that this team won’t have what it takes to goo all the way.
5) Jeter may not be able to play next season.
I just hope that they have the foresight to realize that there isn’t a quick fix. That trading the future would be compounding the problem, not solving it. If they don’t make any rash moves, we might be back in the thick of things by 2015. If they do, we might be looking at a lost decade.
jacksquat November 19th, 2012 at 11:24 am
The morning is not complete without Pruf making a thinly veiled Montero reference and blake mentioning Hamilton.
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I said his name: “Montero”. BOO! Not exactly thinly veiled.
You’re the ones who can’t stand to hear his name. I’m more than happy to reference him without coyness or vagueness, because I didn’t make that trade so I have nothing to be coy or vague about, because I never backpedalled trying to sell it as some sage move.
It flat-out sucked then, and it sucks now.
Dumbass trade, that Montero trade
blake is right about Granderson though… it’s very frustrating. They could have moved either Granderson or Swisher LAST off-season to try and prepare for this… but I think they do the same as last year and basically go with what they have and then by the close of the season lose Grandy for basically nothing.
Pruf, that’s better!
I was just joking, not serious.
Thanksgiving is more interesting than the Yankees.
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LOL LOL sad but true !
The Rangers were trying to get JUpton with Olt, I doubt they would value Granderson the same, but worth a shot.
Jerkface November 19th, 2012 at 11:29 am
I do not like Gardner for CF. He’s best suited to left.
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He is a far superior thrower, runner, catcher than Granderson. He is their best option in CF.
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Yeah, we’ve had this debate for centuries. I like him in left. Not center. Bad jumps on balls hit over his head. Arm has played nicely in LF, doesn’t in CF. (Not that Granderson’s does, either). If Granderson is traded, you’ll get your wish. We can debate that when and if it happens.
Funny story, I was at my mom’s the other day and I heard her on the phone with my dad going, “No, Michael, get the biggest one they have. Is that the biggest one they have? We need the biggest one they have. We go through this every year… just find the biggest one they have!!”
Well.. about 20 minutes later my dad comes home with a 29 lbs turkey and hands that are still red from being basically frozen as he shifted through tons of turkey.
Of course my mother was still like, ‘That was the biggest, right??’
Primo,
I have to disagree on Gardner…He is a far superior CF than Granderson is…Granted, he doesn’t have the power of Granderson, but he is faster, better fielder and better thrower overall… Add to that that I don’t think he will age well…If I could, I would trade him this winter for some prospects, since he has a ton of value still, slugging CFers don’t grow on trees…But probably they will keep him and let him walk next season in exchange of a draft pick.
Like blake said, unless you’re going to really wing it and not worry about the playoffs in 2013, you can’t move a 40 HR 100 RBI guy from the OF while also losing Swisher. That leave you without like 605ish HRs and 180ish RBIs to make up for, and you aren’t doing that with Ichiro, Harriston and Gardner as your OF.
65ish HRs… not 605. We’re not that big and that hairy.
Yet.
In case anyone wants to find a new target for our to-be-ignored trade talks:
@BaseballAmerica
2013 Kansas City Royals Top 10 Prospects http://ht.ly/2tifE7
I just hope that they have the foresight to realize that there isn’t a quick fix. That trading the future would be compounding the problem, not solving it. If they don’t make any rash moves, we might be back in the thick of things by 2015. If they do, we might be looking at a lost decade.
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Luis,
I just don’t really see how future f***ups are avoidable, if the same people are allowed to call the shots. The only possible saving grace is the control of these kids, if they are allowed to get to the Bronx, as to your point about rashness.
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JS,
I’ll try to keep up.
Bad jumps on balls hit over his head
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What do you call Granderson’s jumps on anything hit deep on a line or shallow? Granderson’s the best at moving laterally but he uses a treasure map for his routes on deep balls. Gardner is the best player in the league at coming in on shallow flies, he is just as good moving side to side, and while you may think he has trouble on deep flies, he is still positive in that area compared with the rest of the league. Combined with how good he is at everything else and he is pretty surely the best option for CF. The only reason they didnt put him there is because granderson makes more money & they didn’t want to mess with him, while Gardner is a guy making the minimum and who is expendable.
He is a far superior thrower, runner, catcher than Granderson.
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Yeah, but other than that, they’re about the same, right?
I don’t love Granderson’s routes to balls either a lot… my thinking was always that Gardner could make up for it more than Grandy because he was generally quicker.
The Yanks did passed on a very good OF option in melky…For Martin’s money you would have had a very good situational hitter…It sucks
Most around here continue to undervalue Nunez. His Emergency performance in the Playoffs only heightened his trade value. Olt? Nope. Nunez is the More desireable player.
The Yanks did passed on a very good OF option in melky…For Martin’s money you would have had a very good situational hitter…It sucks
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That was tough. Credit to the Jays for hustling, and perhaps being willing to do more than anyone else would, but that would have been a nice score for the Yankees. Jays made out there.
Guys,
May I remind you all the misplayed balls on the ALCS by Granderson?
Pruf, it has already been reported that the Yanks are thinking about switching Granderson and Gardner, so a trade may not be required.
Granderson might have something to say about it though, as he is a free agent next year, and he will be more valuable still playing CF.
luis November 19th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Primo,
I have to disagree on Gardner…He is a far superior CF than Granderson is…Granted, he doesn’t have the power of Granderson, but he is faster, better fielder and better thrower overall
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Primo, I respectfully disagree. Gardner seems to have trouble getting off balls hit straight over his head. I’ve seen enough of that from him to consider it part of his game, just like his speed gives him fantastic lateral range. Balls to the wall are problematic. When they were considering him for that spot earlier on, they should had Rivers to teach him how to go back and wait for the ball at the spot. He tries instead to outrun it; this works well at an angle (say, LCF gap) and coast to coast, but it paralyzes him over his head. We can take up the discussion if and when they put him there. Maybe he has learned something since then.
I take Gardner over Grandy on D. NOT close.
“The morning is not complete without Pruf making a thinly veiled Montero reference and blake mentioning Hamilton. ”
Lol….or JS mentioning Grienke!
I don’t really like Nunez at 3B. I like him at SS, 2B or CF, I think his bat can play at those positions.
blake, the Greinke : Hamilton ratio is about 1:10!
jacksquat November 19th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Pruf, it has already been reported that the Yanks are thinking about switching Granderson and Gardner, so a trade may not be required.
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I missed that. Well, let’s see how he does in his second stint in center. I remember Newman saying he had trouble initially because he wasn’t used to triple-decker stadiums (which they don’t have in the minors). I have to say, though, I saw a diffidence on his first step back then, too. I’ll be interested to see them actually do it.
Per Rotoworld
Heyman says the D’Backs are looking for a young shortstop and pitcher back in any potential Upton deal.
Also would be concerned about Cashman’s ability to get fair value for Grandy in a trade.
Cashman is like the kid who moves from a wealthy school to a poor school. Now he must deal with the rough kids who are well versed in the rough-and-tumble climate … Would rather have a street fighter like Kevin Towers guide the Yanks through this lean-payroll environment.
“Braves say no to that IMO
I don’t think so….they were gonna trade Delgado for 3 months of Ryan Dempster and Olt would fix their 3B issue for 6 years potentially…..the Rangers might say no if they didn’t like Teheran enough
All of you are still wasting your time worrying about the state of the Yankees?
You should spend time more wisely like going on tours of highway rest stops (such an underrated travel destination) or practicing the ancient art of midwifery than worry about the NY Yankees.
As long as they find well groomed mouth breathing men to fill those sacred uniforms I know that everything will fall into place.
The only thing I worry about is that Mr. Sun comes up each day to greet us with his warm glow of a smile & that we have gravity. Without gravity, there’s be no baseball and then there’d be no Yankees. Think about that. There’s some real perspective for you whiny entitled complainers this beautiful morning.
Tell Nunez to take the long walk to Arizona.
JAP,
Good points…But I think both players play to their strength ( Grandy is better going after balls hit over his head so he plays shallow, Gardner OTOH plays deep because he is better at charging balls)
Nuney and Nova to Arizona ….. call it a day
November 19, 2012 at 11:53 am
Tell Nunez to take the long walk to Arizona.
Yea but Id say Towers wants a SS that can actually play SS though…..
To that point, Grandy’s positioning hurts him more than Gardner’s. He is more likely to mess up something going back from shallow than Gardner is going in from deep.
Mike Ri says:
November 19, 2012 at 11:54 am
Nuney and Nova to Arizona ….. call it a day
Please …you owe Cash KT
Nunez can play SS, he just can’t play any other position
G Love,
I suddenly hear music : Here comes the sun tarara…
Trade Granderson, sign Hamilton to a 4 year deal.
Jerkface says:
November 19, 2012 at 11:56 am
Nunez can play SS, he just can’t play any other position
Yea but can he play there well enough to get you J Upton….that’s a big step down from targeting Andrus
NYY fan in NH says:
November 19, 2012 at 11:58 am
Trade Granderson, sign Hamilton to a 4 year deal.
Yes …
What do you call Granderson’s jumps on anything hit deep on a line or shallow? Granderson’s the best at moving laterally but he uses a treasure map for his routes on deep balls. Gardner is the best player in the league at coming in on shallow flies, he is just as good moving side to side, and while you may think he has trouble on deep flies, he is still positive in that area compared with the rest of the league.
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He’s good in and side to side (Gardner). Granderson seemed worn down by a certain point in the season, so I think a lot of those misreads were an anomaly. There’s no comparison going back on the ball between the two, IMO. Granderson has sometimes has hesitation coming in, I’ll grant you. Running down deep flies, however, is kind of critical for a CF. I would expect, if Gardner plays CF going forward, he will not play shallow like Granderson, since his strength is coming in, and his weakness is going back.
Mike Ri says:
November 19, 2012 at 11:54 am
Nuney and Nova to Arizona ….. call it a day
Please …you owe Cash KT
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Have Cashman saved Towers’ life…..6 or 7 different times?
Jerkface November 19th, 2012 at 11:55 am
To that point, Grandy’s positioning hurts him more than Gardner’s. He is more likely to mess up something going back from shallow than Gardner is going in from deep.
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Huh? No, he’s able to play shallow because he can make the play going back. It saves him a step or two having to come in, too. Like I said, the comparison is moot, until they actually revisit Gardner in center.
I can hardly sleep from excitement over a Ichiro, Hairston, Ibanez platoon in RF and DH
Huh? No, he’s able to play shallow because he can make the play going back.
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Yea thats why he blew multiple plays going back because he played too shallow.
luis November 19th, 2012 at 11:53 am
JAP,
Good points…But I think both players play to their strength ( Grandy is better going after balls hit over his head so he plays shallow, Gardner OTOH plays deep because he is better at charging balls)
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Yup, I agree with this.
“Have Cashman saved Towers’ life…..6 or 7 different times?”
No bit he gave him a job and traded him Juan Miranda…..that’s close enough right
blake November 19th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
I can hardly sleep from excitement over a Ichiro, Hairston, Ibanez platoon in RF and DH
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Jerkface November 19th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Nunez can play SS, he just can’t play any other position
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I think he could play 2B, maybe even better than SS since it’s a shorter throw, less chance of wild throws. His fld% at 2B in the majors is higher than anywhere else. But he would need to practice. And Cano is there so that’s pretty much out. I don’t know if he has the ability to read balls in CF, but he has the speed.
JF,
But he typically is able to get off quickly and make that play to the wall, running right through the ball. He had a bad stretch here and there, but I don’t consider those representative, given the manner in which he runs down fly balls.
@What about Martin at C? or if he really goes to Seattle…Olivo? Umm!!”"
Man…..I’m so excite!
“The only thing I worry about is that Mr. Sun comes up each day to greet us with his warm glow of a smile & that we have gravity. Without gravity, there’s be no baseball and then there’d be no Yankees. Think about that. There’s some real perspective for you whiny entitled complainers this beautiful morning.”
Team Glutton for Punishment!!!! ASSEMBLEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Ugh, no Olivo, may as well go with Cervelli/Romine.
Video of Mo while filming the commerial a few weeks ago.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....um=twitter
JS,
Do you remember Chuck K? He had to retire because he couldn’t make a throw from 2B…Everytime a ball was hit his way I held my breath…So there is always the possibility that Nunez keeps on throwing bad…But I honestly think that with enough repetitions, he will be a fine SS…We will get the chance to see if this holds true this coming season
I’m looking forward also to getting more production from Arod and Tex since that’s the simplest way to improve the team
JAP -Not sure if you’ve followed this at all
@DNFlyers
Interest of full disclosure: we posted Bettman’s quote calling our story a ‘fabrication,’ and stand by our story: http://ph.ly/o4t_4
Very interesting about how different owners are handling this whole thing.
jacksquat November 19th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Ugh, no Olivo, may as well go with Cervelli/Romine.
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Everyone keeps forgetting that we have a piece of the puzzle already in place: Chris Stewart.
The key to a championship club!
But he typically is able to get off quickly and make that play to the wall, running right through the ball. He had a bad stretch here and there, but I don’t consider those representative, given the manner in which he runs down fly balls.
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You may not consider them representative but they have happened for the last 4 years. There was a lot of worry about Granderson in the field his last season in detroit, where people were questioning his vision and the need for corrective surgery (sounds familiar!). He lost a lot of points off UZR in 2011 due to some huge misplays, including going back, and continues to make similar mistakes.
Here is the article from 2011 about his defensive miscues, note that the ones that hurt him the most were almost 100% going back on balls… And this quote from Glanville:
“Curtis does certain things well, but I think he struggles to go back on balls,” said Baseball Tonight analyst and former center fielder Doug Glanville. “Sometimes he doesn’t look comfortable choosing how to get to a ball. When you’re going back on a ball, you have to have a period of time where you’re not dealing with the ball, where you’re focusing on a spot. Keeping the ball in your sights all the time slows you down.”
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....-evaluated
I think Granderson is a player any team would be happy to have in CF. I think he will always be representative out there. Most teams do not have Brett Gardner on the roster though, which is the only reason there is any conflict on his defensive positioning.
blake November 19th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
I’m looking forward also to getting more production from Arod and Tex since that’s the simplest way to improve the team
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Why didn’t we think of that?!
Oh what’s that you say? That it is pretty much impossible to get more production from them?!
Forget that malarkey!! There is no such think as impossible!!! Nike once has a whole ad series about this very topic!
As long as they find well groomed mouth breathing men to fill those sacred uniforms I know that everything will fall into place.
The only thing I worry about is that Mr. Sun comes up each day to greet us with his warm glow of a smile & that we have gravity. Without gravity, there’s be no baseball and then there’d be no Yankees. Think about that. There’s some real perspective for you whiny entitled complainers this beautiful morning.
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Onward and Upward!
New York Yankees general manager Brian Cashman, who appeared on Fox’s “Good Day New York” on Thursday morning with Rosanna Scotto and Dave Price, mentioned that he will once again rappel down the Landmark Building in Stamford as part of Stamford’s Heights and Lights event on Dec. 2, and will be joined by ESPN analyst and Stamford native Bobby Valentine.
Hope they use a nice strong rope.
blake November 19th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
I’m looking forward also to getting more production from Arod and Tex since that’s the simplest way to improve the team
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Umm!! This is written in the stars…. The good part of this is that I might be able to go to bed early
Shame,
That’s the spirit!! Here comes the sun tarara, bis…It’s alright!!
“Curtis does certain things well, but I think he struggles to go back on balls,” said Baseball Tonight analyst and former center fielder Doug Glanville. “Sometimes he doesn’t look comfortable choosing how to get to a ball. When you’re going back on a ball, you have to have a period of time where you’re not dealing with the ball, where you’re focusing on a spot. Keeping the ball in your sights all the time slows you down.”
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I’ve either already read this or read a similar article. I simply don’t agree with this. I think this is actually much more true of Gardner, ironically. I know about Granderson’s vision issues. It may be that this is what is causing him to have lapses, but again, it’s the manner in which he goes back – smoothly, no wasted movement, strides it out and runs through the ball – that tells me he reads the ball well off the bat on balls to the wall. So, you an Glanville and the creators of UZR are entitled to your opinion, which I disagree with.
@MarcCarig
RT @eboland11: @MarcCarig I become much more tolerant around the holidays. Warm even / #EmbraceDebate
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Not me.. I’m perpetually lukewarm.
…I think I was born melancholy.
Shame Spencer November 19th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
JAP -Not sure if you’ve followed this at all
@DNFlyers
Interest of full disclosure: we posted Bettman’s quote calling our story a ‘fabrication,’ and stand by our story: http://ph.ly/o4t_4
Very interesting about how different owners are handling this whole thing.
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Shame, thanks
I haven’t been keeping up. Never understood the whole Bettman thing to begin with. Owners wising up, maybe.
Don’t say that Shame….You are a bright spot around here
Shame Spencer November 19th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
…I think I was born melancholy.
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In sooth, I know not why I am so sad
It wearies me, you say it wearies you ….
Ok…I hope they give the kids a shot next season…I want to see Romine at C, Nunez at SS until and if Jeter is able to play and I want Adams at 3B… I want to see what Mustelier/Dickerson/Mesa/Almontes can do, instead of Hairston or Ichiro… This way at least i would have the excitement of watching the kids play
eboland11
Potential for some Yankees news this week as after ALCS sweep Pettitte said he hoped to reach decision “within a month.” it’s been a month
luis November 19th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
JS,
Do you remember Chuck K? He had to retire because he couldn’t make a throw from 2B…Everytime a ball was hit his way I held my breath…So there is always the possibility that Nunez keeps on throwing bad…But I honestly think that with enough repetitions, he will be a fine SS…We will get the chance to see if this holds true this coming season
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Yeah, but Knobby had the yips, some kind of mental problem. That’s not the case with Nunie, he just throws a little wild sometimes, and it looks like that is mostly from rushing plays.
I am confident he can improve his fld% with more consistent play, he has been fine in the minors in 2010 and 2012.
Tex and Arod would improve their production just by staying on the field more, they only played 122 and 123 games.
And Tex should start playing in February, he’s one guy I actually hope goes to the WBC.
@JonHeymanCBS: 2 teams on justin upton’s no-trade list are #mariners and #jays (smart move on tor. they r active) http://t.co/028jVphZ
“Tex and Arod would improve their production just by staying on the field more, they only played 122 and 123 games.”
True but their rate stats are on a pretty march downward….counting on them being better is pretty risky given that each has gotten worse every year for like 5 years now
?@DKnobler
As for B.J. Upton, some people involved say he could take more recruiting trips before deciding. For now, Phillies could be favorite.
JAP – I’ve been ignoring it for the most part but what I’ve gathered today seems to be that there are 4-6 major owners that have pushed the lock-out from the start, a bunch of middling owners who have gone with it hoping to get the best deal, and a minor few who have actively opposed it. It looks like the Pens and Philly owners are starting to come around to the fact that ending it would be better given they aren’t getting everything Bettman promised they would.
jacksquat November 19th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Tex and Arod would improve their production just by staying on the field more, they only played 122 and 123 games.
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But can they do that? Is expecting them to stay healthy for a full season any more realistic than expecting them to suddenly buck their downward trends in BA, OBP, OPS etc?
I don’t think Nunez’s problems aren’t fatal at SS. At Trenton, he was sometimes guilty of charging the ball. The thing is, you have to be able to make the routine play at that position. One of Jeter’s “unquantifiable” talents is staying in the present. You rarely see him thinking ahead: that’s an inborn talent. People wind up in therapy because they can’t stand to stay in the present; it’s why meditation on some mountain becomes such an instructive tool for mental health and for even survival, spiritual pursuits notwithstanding. A keen state of awareness is essential for the whole so-called fight or flight syndrome… It’s also essential for reacting appropriately in a game. Nunez needs to work on staying present. The more he plays, the better he will get. He went through long, uneventful stretches at SS down here in Trenton.
The new Pettitte story is he will give the Yankees a “timetable”this week. That’s not very helpful. I do wonder if his desire to return is contingent upon what the team looks like. I sure hope not.
People keep going back to Jeter as proof Tex and Arod can do it… but Jeter wasn’t trending downward at the same rate for 5 seasons.
bruceb November 19th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
New York Yankees general manager Brian Cashman, who appeared on Fox’s “Good Day New York” on Thursday morning with Rosanna Scotto and Dave Price, mentioned that he will once again rappel down the Landmark Building in Stamford as part of Stamford’s Heights and Lights event on Dec. 2, and will be joined by ESPN analyst and Stamford native Bobby Valentine.
Hope they use a nice strong rope.
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Ha. When you allow your team to go to seed, rappelling and bartending are no longer cute.
If I was Pettitte (and didn’t need the money) the only way I would give up another year of watching my family grow up would be if the Yankees had a realistic chance of providing me with another ring in 2013
They don’t and they won’t given the construction of the current roster.
austinmac November 19th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
The new Pettitte story is he will give the Yankees a “timetable”this week. That’s not very helpful. I do wonder if his desire to return is contingent upon what the team looks like. I sure hope not.
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Well, if he has any faint ambition about trying to last long enough to get 300 wins…this lineup and the Yankee budget might be a deal breaker…
*Don’t think Nunez’s problems ARE fatal at SS
“I do wonder if his desire to return is contingent upon what the team looks like. I sure hope not.”
I’m sure it is….I think Andy wants to win another title and if he doesn’t think the Yanks have a championship team then I think that’ll affect him
Oh, yeah, championship. Forgot that’s a more “realistic” goal than 300 career wins…
Shame,
I had the misfortune of shaking Bettman’s hand, once. They gave off a clammy, icky Peter Lorre in “M” kind of feel. Ever notice? The man has no neck.
JAP,
To add to your pointon Nunez…Most of his miscues have been the result of excessive adrenaline due to very sporadic play, so he wants to impress, when he makes a mistake he feels that he is not cutting it so instead of forgetting it keeps on trying harder with the same result, so it has a snowball effect on him… If they let him pay regularly and work with him on his footwork,he would be more than a fine SS
“within a month.”
….or ere those cleats were old….
Primo,
That’s why I said that Pettitte might want to stay retired. If the team doesn’t look like it can go all the way. And I don’t think it will, so….
JAP – He has too little neck and too much ear for my liking.
He just doesn’t know the sport at all… which would be fine, if he weren’t trying to change it so much for an audience he continues to alienate by having these lockouts.
luis November 19th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
JAP,
To add to your pointon Nunez…Most of his miscues have been the result of excessive adrenaline due to very sporadic play, so he wants to impress, when he makes a mistake he feels that he is not cutting it so instead of forgetting it keeps on trying harder with the same result, so it has a snowball effect on him… If they let him pay regularly and work with him on his footwork,he would be more than a fine SS
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I agree. It’s like the runner out of the blocks that has a false start. Adrenaline is the right word. He needs to calm down, so each play isn’t so built up in his mind. He should really up his pre-game workout to get the kinks out. Being a little tired stretches you out and makes you more alert… but mostly, he needs the consistency. He’ll get a running start, since Jeter likely won’t be ready right away, I wouldn’t guess.
Shame Spencer November 19th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
jacksquat November 19th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Tex and Arod would improve their production just by staying on the field more, they only played 122 and 123 games.
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But can they do that? Is expecting them to stay healthy for a full season any more realistic than expecting them to suddenly buck their downward trends in BA, OBP, OPS etc?
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Well Arod lost over a month due to being hit by a pitch. That’s just bad luck. He could have played 150 games if not for that.
Teixeira not only lost games because of leg issues, but he also played through that weird coughing thing, so he can play more games.
I don’t know if Arod playing more would help the team in 2013 over 2012 though, as Chavez hit very well.
Shame Spencer November 19th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
JAP – He has too little neck and too much ear for my liking.
He just doesn’t know the sport at all… which would be fine, if he weren’t trying to change it so much for an audience he continues to alienate by having these lockouts.
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He’s an NBA guy
JAP,
I hope Jeter is able to play at some point next season. But taking in to account how slow Adams healed from that ankle. I am not that optimistic about him playing next season. heck, who knows if he will be able to play short at all
luis November 19th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Primo,
That’s why I said that Pettitte might want to stay retired. If the team doesn’t look like it can go all the way. And I don’t think it will, so….
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I hate to think we saw the last of him. His competitiveness may trump all, though. Here’s hoping.
Never lose hope Primo…That’s the last thing anyone can do…Even if only to mentor the kids, he would be an asset
primo,
Not that he has any inside info, but a a good friend who is a physical therapist thought Jeter would be able to stay at SS, barring any major complications. He didn’t think he’d lose footspeed or lateral range, based on the ankle break. Of course, he doesn’t know the particulars of Jeter’s injury, but that was his generic take.
He’s an NBA guy
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I don’t think he understood the game of basketball very well either
I’m a little confused over comments about Granderson’s low trade value…Any team acquiring him gets a VF for a year at a good price, and then a #1 pick when he walks. Sounds pretty attractive to me.
Tex has had hamstring issues for the last 2 seasons, if I’m not mistaken…
I agree that Nunez does appear nervous/anxious. If he had more playing time and security and less need to play for his very livelihood, he would probably calm down.
The average mlb SS hit .257/.310/.378 in 2012, Nunez can hit better than that.
I think Granderson would have value ….but only to a few teams….but you only need one
“The average mlb SS hit .257/.310/.378 in 2012, Nunez can hit better than that.”
You hear that KT!
@TGfireandice
RT @AP_NFL: New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees donating $1 million to #Sandy relief http://apne.ws/10g54j5 #nfl
I’m going to make a couple guesses.
First, the number of people who have both commented in this thread and have seen Fritz Lang’s “M” is somewhere around two, give or take, and I’m including this comment in that estimate.
Second, no one who’s commented in this thread is the owner of this GMC Yukon:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9.....hotostream
He has the drive, and I think he wants to catch Rose…here is hoping
Very cool Brees……get it ….cool Brees….anyway that was very nice good form
@BloggingBombers
Pettitte is spending most of the holiday week with his family at the ranch. Source says it’s unlikely a decision comes before Thanksgiving.
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For a guy that is so in tune with his family, Pettitte sure needs to spend a lot of time with them before deciding if he wants to keep playing.
Spending alot of time with your family may make being away from them for a few months seem more appealing.
Pettite can’t just come out and say….well Im taking some time to see if you guys fill the giant holes on the roster before I decide……
blake November 19th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Pettite can’t just come out and say….well Im taking some time to see if you guys fill the giant holes on the roster before I decide……
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My best guess is it isn’t about the team as much as it is about what type of deal Mo and Kuroda get… if I was a betting woman, I’d bet the house he only signs after those two.
jacksquat November 19th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Jays still looking for a manager. Trade Girardi for Melky.
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“…That wasn’t nearly as suprising to me, however, as the name that emerged late Sunday evening in the Twittersphere. Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun, who is as tuned in to the Blue Jays as anyone out there — he’s the first Canadian honored in Cooperstown with the Spink Award, the top award in baseball writing — tweeted this: “Jays have phoned former Mariners executives and others asking ??? about former Seattle manager Mike Hargrove Next Blue Jays MGR?”
http://tinyurl.com/cyunshu
Nick in SF November 19th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
I’m going to make a couple guesses.
First, the number of people who have both commented in this thread and have seen Fritz Lang’s “M” is somewhere around two, give or take, and I’m including this comment in that estimate.
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That would make me #2
That means there are at least three who have seen it, so the OVER 2.5 would be a winner.
@JonHeymanCBS
hamilton’s whole market is quite a #mystery. #brewers #mariners #orioles #redsox #phillies #braves http://cbsprt.co/Q5I44h
@JonHeymanCBS
hamilton?s whole market is quite a #mystery. #brewers #mariners #orioles #redsox #phillies #braves http://cbsprt.co/Q5I44h
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#yankees
M was such a creepy effin’ film.
I finally saw Skyfall this weekend.. I’m hoping they do go with Idris Elba for the next Bond because as good of a movie as it was I found myself pretty ‘meh’ on Craig. The first one he did was awesome.. he had me really engaged.. not so much with this one. This one I just wanted more Dench, Fiennes and Bardem.
Shame – Funny story about the Turkey, sounds just like my parents.
I love Thanksgiving can’t wait to gobble up all that food on Thursday.
If I was wrong about the number of commenters who’ve seen M, maybe I’m wrong about the Yukon too.
Which one of you is the closet Hal lover????
Thanksgiving will get us through this week… we’ll be hungover for a week after that. The commercial holidays will hopefully carry us through December/New Years. We will then spend Jan/Feb crying. It’s the best we can hope for.
You people still here? I thought the blog shut down for the winter. Or at least until the winter meetings. Go out and get some vitamin D. Sheesh. Maybe by the time you come back, we will have signed Raul.
yankeefeminista November 19th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
You people still here? I thought the blog shut down for the winter. Or at least until the winter meetings.
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A cold wind has begun blowing through these parts…
Hi YF!,
How are your ankles? Hope all is well down your end
A cold wind has begun blowing through these parts…
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There is always Raul to lighten us up!
YF,
We would welcome you to Team Greedy. We are considering a name change to Team Grumble.
Shame, speaking of a cold wind, maybe a line or two from Shelter from the Storm is actually about Cashman:
“Not a word was spoke between us there was little risk involved
Everything up to that point had been left unresolved…”
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Luis, que tal, amigo? Starting PT this week; thanks for asking. I’ll be ready for ST.
austinmac, I am already on Team Bat Speed, can I join two teams at once?
Rauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuul!
YF,
Good to hear! Let’s just hope that we get something exciting by then, like they actually will give the kids a real shot….No more Baldemorts please…
I have been a long time Hamilton fan and advocated getting him when he was still with Reds, and then again after his bad season a few years ago. I think he is the type of clutch hitter who would bring the team a championship, and I’d clear space to get him (moving Grandy and even CC or Cano if necessary), but I do think he would only give us about 2 good years, and the ROI on o a long-term contract would bot be worth it….
typo s/b not be worth it
FTR, I too have seen M/i>.
Luis, if not, I will bury my sorrows at Trenton, where hope is yet undashed.
Did I (gulp) accidentally “italicize” the blog? Noooooo!
Bojo,
Hi….If it is for 4 years is not bad at all…The good part about hamilton is that it would only cost money…The problem seems to be Hal’s attachment to it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....._embedded#!
YF,
Team Batspeed would work nicely with Team Greedy. I assume Cashman rejected your invitation.
Luis–
Hi back atcha–
Funny comment….
I’m not happy with this team in some many aspects that for the first time in my life i question myself if I will be rooting for them next season. I’m pretty pissed actually. Yankees bigwigs are a bunch of clowns really got me down.
J. Alfred Prufrock November 19th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v….._embedded#!
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I downloaded the Criterion version a few months ago, and watched it again…Still holds up very well!
Chad, Have fun in the Bahamas. Battle of Atlantis should be a good College Basketball Tournament.
I’m willing to live with the Yankees going through a few rebuilding years…until Bryce Harper is available…would accept trades of CC, Grandy, Cano, and ARod to get younger and get something in return while we still can.
Could there be a worse place for an addict than NY? Come on. Plus he gets hurt a lot. And the best reason, Yanks don’t want to spend big money.
They will be like the Mets, sign guys for cheap, i.e. Ibanez and Hairston. I see a lot of exciting baseball in the Bronx this upcoming season. Lots of old men.
Luis, if not, I will bury my sorrows at Trenton, where hope is yet undashed.
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Haha. I left my heart in Waterfront Park. TOO many times.
Now Arm & Hammer Park
False alarm. (Phew!)
Luis, get to any VWL games yet?
Austinmac, Team Bat Speed instead can align itself with Team Youth, if Cash doesn’t want to spend Hal’s trust fund on Team Greedy.
Pruf, should be Arm and Hammer Curve Park.
You all need to stop grumbling & start gargling with Yankee Kool Aid!
You can find it on sale at all Finast, Caldor’s & Korvette’s locations near you!
Bojo – I’m a German Expressionist buff. Lorre is brilliant in “M”.
Nice to see you! How are the cats doing?
Maybe the Yanks can be the mystery team! Ok nevermind
yankeefeminista November 19th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Pruf, should be Arm and Hammer Curve Park.
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One who had one was traded, another wasn’t re-signed, the third will likely be traded. Good times.
@RiverAveBlues: Davidoff: Yankees have “significant interest” in re-signing Ibanez http://t.co/z2NXU6CS
I like Raul….would love to have him bad to be a bench player and part time DH….problem is I think they will bring him back to play too much
Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1
Selig OK’d #Marlins #Bluejays trade.
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Like there was ever a doubt.
@Joelsherman1: Selig OK’d #Marlins #Bluejays trade.
Of course he did….he really couldn’t do anything about it
Chad, Happy Thanksgiving! Enjoy your holiday.
can I join two teams at once?
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Yes!! Many of us now possess membership of Team Greedy and Team Glutton (for Punishment).
I have no problem with them signing Hamilton, but you know they’ll just blithely look on while Boston or somebody does.
“We like our team.”
Losers should have signed Melkman and Hamilton.
jacksquat November 19th, 2012 at 9:45 am
I think this is very interesting:
2010-2011
Michael Bourn:
.281/.345/.368/.713
97 OPS+
299 games
112 bb, 249 so
178 runs
113 sb, 26 cs
Brett Gardner:
.267/.364/.374/.737
98 OPS+
309 games
139 bb, 194 so
184 runs
96 sb, 22 cs
Bourn is supposedly looking for a contract over 75 mil.
I think some people should stop calling Brett Gardner a 4th outfielder.
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I think some people should stop asking for money they’re not even worth a quarter of, one being Michael Bourn. Where’s his 2012 in these stats?
Yeah let’s give a guy who like Gardner can’t hit for average or power at least $75M LOL.
Bourn isn’t getting $75M or more from anyone including the Yankees.
Gardner and Bourn are fourth outfielders if they don’t post at least .340 OBP each with their speed and basestealing ability.
The Yankees have expressed interest in a few players thus far: Ibanez, Scott Hairston and Kuroda. The excitement is really taking off in the season ticket department. Operators are available.
I am waiting to hear about Jonesy returning before scheduling my trip but am feeling confident.
Hi JAP–nice to be seen, and good seeing you again too…
Cats getting older–some passed on this past year–all Cashman’s fault!
Time to start our annual “Let Joba start” protest, si?
Joel Sherman?@Joelsherman1
Selig said he ran #Marlins #Bluejays deal by “experienced baseball ops execs” who said it was a legit deal on talent level
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WHAT!?!?!?!
Johnson, Reyes, Buherle, etc for 3-5 prospects and a few mil? And none of the prospects have shown anything yet either….
Why does Selig even bother to talk if he can’t give us something more realistic than that garbage?
RMS November 19th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Could there be a worse place for an addict than NY? Come on
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This is so not a real argument. ALL of the ’86 Mets were drug addicts!!
Hamilton cannot be the only addict in the game. I guess all the alcoholics in the league get a pass…?
Speaking of seeing the Yankees, I am happy I can now see them in Arlington and Houston. Double the pleasure(?).
J. Alfred Prufrock November 19th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Bojo – I’m a German Expressionist buff. Lorre is brilliant in “M”.
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Would GOP Congress have blocked nominations for The Cabinet of Dr Caligari?
?@DKnobler
There was really no basis for Selig to block deal. Teams have traded high $$ vets for prospects. What Marlins doing is bad, not illegal.
@MarcCarig
Still not official: re-naming of club to Toronto Blue Fish.
Here’s what the Yanks should do in this order:
- Re-sign Rivera for a year and $10M, a $5M savings then use half that savings to re-sign Pettitte for a year and $5M (double his salary) and sign Joakim Soria for a year and $2.5M (he still makes $11.5M across 2012-13 since he made $9M doing nothing for the Royals in 2012.) Get all three on board in one day.
- Sign Jake Peavy to a two-year $13.3M a year $26.6M total contract the next day after the Chi-Sox buy him out for $4M to avoid paying him $22M he’s really not worth for 2013 moreover save $18M. Peavy still makes a whopping $17.3M total for 2013, $30.6M for 2013-14 and would still be young enough to land one more contract of two years or more at age 33+ since he’s only 31 now.
- Offer Soriano two years at $10M a year to be the eighth-inning man (pretty damn good money for that role) and if he rejects that, see ya, Chamberlain takes his slot only as the seventh-inning man.
Rotation: Sabathia/Peavy/Hughes/Pettitte/Nova or Phelps
Bullpen: Rivera/Robertson/Soriano/Soria/Aardsma/Logan/Rapada (Chamberlain in place of Soriano if Soriano doesn’t re-sign.)
Re-sign Martin for C (two years $10M a year), Suzuki for RF (year and $6M where he defers $5M so the Yanks pay only a mil for him in 2012), and Ibanez for DH (year and $1.5M base plus $0.5M in incentives based on plate appearances and awards for up to $2M total.)
Re-sign Stewart (backup C), Chavez (backup 1B/3B), Nix (backup 2B/SS), and Dickerson (backup OF.)
Rotation, bullpen, bench, and starting nine set.
Suzuki RF L
Jeter SS R
Cano 2B L
Teixiera 1B S
Granderson LF L
Rodriguez 3B R
Ibanez DH L
Martin C R
Gardner CF L
I would argue Dallas has all the drugs, alcohol, bars, strip clubs one could want. The Dallas Cowboys have proven that over the years. Who knows if Hamilton would stay sober in New york, but I would say it is equally likely there as in Dallas.
Jake Peavy was re-signed by the White Sox
Bojo, sorry about the kitties. Dr. Caligari’s Cabinet resides in my VHS tape collection. Probably should get the DVD instead, but haven’t watched it in years.
Also lol at putting 20 million on the books for 2014 for Martin/Soriano.
Duh,
Again, Peavy has re-signed with the White Sox. You are spending far too much money on the pen. The problems are the starters and the offense. You solved neither.
- Sign Jake Peavy to a two-year $13.3M a year $26.6M total contract ”
The white sox already extended him 2/29
@pgammo
“Marlins” and “fans” in the same sentence… some won’t get the connection.
Whooooooa, I had to check which Peter Gammons feed I was reading just then….
Bojo – Yankeefem, Odds and me have already been banging the Joba drum, but happy for reinforcement! Might it happen? It should. Odds says it never will. I remain hopeful.
I was first on bandwagon to sign Soriano (mid-season before he became free agent), so i have always liked him…but I would not re-sign him. Time to move on. I do like idea of signing Soria to a minor league contract and let him heal…a la Aardsman.
I’ve seen multiple people say they’d give Martin a multi year deal at 10 million per…..but not a single person was willing to pay him 13.3 million for 2013 only? They should have made him the QO and had him for one more year then said buh bye ……
austinmac November 19th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
I would argue Dallas has all the drugs, alcohol, bars, strip clubs one could want. The Dallas Cowboys have proven that over the years. Who knows if Hamilton would stay sober in New york, but I would say it is equally likely there as in Dallas.
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You’d think the ‘Boys would have bought a reprieve from me after securing a win…. they have not!! Dang Cowboys.. being awful… all the time..
J. Alfred Prufrock November 19th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Bojo – Yankeefem, Odds and me have already been banging the Joba drum, but happy for reinforcement! Might it happen? It should. Odds says it never will. I remain hopeful.
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I recall reading here that Cashman reads some blogs….let’s keep the issue front and center this off-season…
Let Kuroda go, and promote Joba…prayer group will meet daily at 5pm
Giving Martin a $10 AAV is completely counter productive.. we already have TWO top 60 catchers in the league on the books! (Cervelli and Stewie.. complete with pre-Girardi nicknaming!)
J. Alfred Prufrock November 19th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Bojo, sorry about the kitties. Dr. Caligari’s Cabinet resides in my VHS tape collection. Probably should get the DVD instead, but haven’t watched it in years.
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Get the Criterion edition…excellent picture…still great story
Jerkface November 19th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Jake Peavy was re-signed by the White Sox
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‘Wasn’t reported on here or I must’ve missed it. Wow, Peavy’s all about his comfort huh? What a loser schmuck. His team is so 83-87 wins but that’s not landing a wildcard slot, so they better win their division. How will they do that with the Tigers being even better with Torii Hunter (Valverde will be replaced)?
Plan B: Offer Kuroda a year and $15M.
Plan C: Sabathia/Hughes/Pettitte/Nova/Phelps as I think Pettitte will return. Four-fifths homegrown rotation, the Yanks could always trade for a starter in midseason
The Yanks should’ve signed Scott Baker. The Cubs got him for only a year and $5.5M base plus $1.5M in incentives. Cashman is an idiot.
Bojo, I’m fairly loath to let Kuroda go, but I say let Joba compete for a starting job all the same. After all, who cares about offense, and since we have none, we can’t have enough starting pitching!
Shame Spencer November 19th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Giving Martin a $10 AAV is completely counter productive.. we already have TWO top 60 catchers in the league on the books! (Cervelli and Stewie.. complete with pre-Girardi nicknaming!)
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Agreed…I like Martin but would let him walk (can we get a #1 pick?). Given the upcoming budget, I would go with Cervelli, Stewie, and Salad (Romaine).
Get the Criterion edition…excellent picture…still great story
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I will consider this
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My favorite in the genre is still Metropolis…
J. Alfred Prufrock November 19th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Bojo, I’m fairly loath to let Kuroda go, but I say let Joba compete for a starting job all the same. After all, who cares about offense, and since we have none, we can’t have enough starting pitching!
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Given that I am willing to go through some rebuilding, I would rather get teh #1 pick and let Kuroda go. Team will need high level picks to set up next dynasty…
J. Alfred Prufrock November 19th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Get the Criterion edition…excellent picture…still great story
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I will consider this .
My favorite in the genre is still Metropolis…
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Oh yes!
JAP–
Not from Germany but obviously influenced–Shapes of Things to Come…another great flick
I’m hoping they do go with Idris Elba for the next Bond because as good of a movie as it was I found myself pretty ‘meh’ on Craig.
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Shame, there’s a better chance we wake up tomorrow and find the Yankees signed Josh Hamilton and Zack Greinke and traded for Justin Upton than Craig being replaced as Bond. Skyfall is about to become the highest grossing Bond film ever, has been met with great reviews and fan enthusiasm, and it was Craig who recruited both Javier Bardem to play the villian and Sam Mendes to direct when it looked like the Bond franchise couldn’t get funding. He’s already inked to do the next two Bonds, and they’re trying to get him to commit to a third. You won’t see anyone else playing Bond for a decade.
Jerkface November 19th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Also lol at putting 20 million on the books for 2014 for Martin/Soriano.
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Hey dumbass Martin and Soriano are not taking one-year deals or less than $10M per year. They have the Yanks by the balls. Rivera is not a 100% lock to be pre-2012 injury Mo, D-Rob has little closing experience, and Soria could be snatched up if he hasn’t been already.
It’s either Chris Stewart or Eli Whiteside or a platoon of both behind the plate if not Martin since the Red Sox snatched up Ross and the Braves snatched up Gerald Laird. Or do you want any two from Stewat, Whiteside, Cervelli, and Romine? If so you’re an idiot and stop posting.
Who’s the Yankees 2014 closer? Robertson with zero closing experience? Aardsma who hasn’t been a full-time closer / had a full season as a closer since 2010? Who says he’s a Yankee in 2014? Who says Soria is a Yankee in 2014 if he signed with them for 2013?
Who do YOU want the 2014 Yankees catcher and closer to be? At least give who you want before you run your keyboard mouth (the only kind of mouth you could run as you’d never run it to my face in a bar or wherever.)
Correction
Shape of things to Come (I saw it multiple times, thus the Shapes)
Confirmed – Jays/Marlins approved – I don’t think I could hold my breath any longer – back to work
Thanksgiving for me American style.
Enjoy some peace.
BoJo November 19th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
JAP–
Not from Germany but obviously influenced–Shapes of Things to Come…another great flick
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Haven’t seen it, nor read it. I’ll check it out.
@JCRMarlinsbeat
Beinfest: “We think we brought in championship quality talent.” #marlins
jmills,
Just answered you on email!
austinmac November 19th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Duh,
Again, Peavy has re-signed with the White Sox. You are spending far too much money on the pen. The problems are the starters and the offense. You solved neither.
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Rivera/Robertson/Soriano/Soria/Aardsma/Logan/Rapada would be so good the Yanks could go with Sabathia/Hughes/Pettitte/Nova/Phelps to start 2013. ‘Guess you never heard of this thing called MAKING A TRADE FOR A STARTER IN MIDSEASON. Maybe Pineda returning is that midseason trade so no trade is needed.
It’s all about pitching and when you have hands down the best bullpen in baseball you can get by with a weak bat in the batting order.
Martin at C, Suzuki at RF, and Ibanez at DH you obviously didn’t read are just fine for the starting nine with my proposed pitching staff. The Yanks could always trade for a bat or two in midseason, too.
Hey dumbass Martin and Soriano are not taking one-year deals or less than $10M per year. They have the Yanks by the balls.
Who do YOU want the 2014 Yankees catcher and closer to be? At least give who you want before you run your keyboard mouth (the only kind of mouth you could run as you’d never run it to my face in a bar or wherever.)
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LoL, neither are worth tying up 22% of the available budget for 2014. They do not have the Yankees by the balls because the Yankees have absolutely no need to re-sign Soriano or Martin. The bullpen is the easiest place in the world to fill spots cheaply and effectively. Building from within is easy because starters that cannot hack it can reliably go to the pen, and we have relief prospects on the way who may be very good (Montgomery). There are always guys like Aardsma or Soria who will take short deals to build value. There is never any reason to sign a non-Mariano reliever to a big deal.
I’d punt catcher and if the Yankees really think they need another bullpen arm I’d sign Fujikawa for 3 AAV.
MikeD November 19th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
I’m hoping they do go with Idris Elba for the next Bond because as good of a movie as it was I found myself pretty ‘meh’ on Craig.
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Shame, there’s a better chance we wake up tomorrow and find the Yankees signed Josh Hamilton and Zack Greinke and traded for Justin Upton than Craig being replaced as Bond. S
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Yeah I know I had heard first he signed on for 5 then just 2.. I really do like Craig, btw, but maybe there was just too much hype around Skyfall because I was like, ‘Oh… this is good… and that’s all??’
Still like Casino Royale better.
I wish I could find him attractive…. I think Craig has done some other movies where I thought he was legit hot but for some reason none of them are Bond films. Seems like a serious oversight for a womanizing special agent.
jasoncfry
No sports executive combines doing absolutely f—ing nothing with furrowing one’s brow better than Bud Selig.
Retweeted by Craig Calcaterra
Look folks, the Yanks are not going with any two among Stewart, Whiteside, Cervelli, and Romine at catcher for 2012, and they’re not trading for a catcher, so just stop. They’re re-signing Martin to a two-year deal or AJ Piersynski for a year, grin and bear it and not even as I have no problem with either guy (I prefer Martin cuz he’s a better defender and younger than Pierzynski, and has two years under his belt as a Yankee.)
If the Yanks can’t bring back Kuroda, they will most likely go with Sabathia, Hughes, Pettitte, Nova, and Phelps unless someone offers something they can’t refuse. I don’t see a signing. Forget Edwin Jackson if he’s still available. Forget Clayton Kershaw or whatever other ace or #2 you think the Yanks are landing with who? I forsee Sabathia, Hughes, Pettitte, Nova, and Phelps with two veterans signed to minor-league contracts to push Nova and Phelps. I also forsee the Yanks giving Pineda a June or July looksee before they pull the trigger on a trade for a starter. I predict the Yanks will go with what they have (I firmly believe Pettitte will be back) and have a let’s see what who we have can do and tweak it if necessary.
The offense like the rotation could always be improved in midseason.
Sometimes you have to go with what you got with a new face or two, see what they can do, then make a move in June or July.
@ESPNNewYork: Matthews: Could #Yankees say yes to a takeover — by Rupert Murdoch? http://t.co/6RPaPvWV
Duh Innings,
So you predict the 2013 Yankees to be the 2012 Yankees minus Kuroda and Swisher? That’s probably an 85 win team.
We’ve been punting catcher since Jorge retired, so no big deal. If Martin signs elsewhere, I’m sure we can find another catcher who can hit .200.
If we are ready to play “Wish I Were HM,” then I would do the following trade/moves:
1. CC Sabathia, Cano, ARod, and Granderson to LA for Kershaw, Kemp, and prospects.
2. Resign Pettitte…sign Soria to minor league 2 year deal…let Kuroda go, let Soriano go
3. Move Joba to starter—rotation of Kershaw, Joba, Pettitte, Hughes, and Nova
4. Move up Cervelli and Romaine to C—compete with Stewie
5. Move Gardner to CF, Kemp to RF, and Nunez/Ichie to LF
6. Resign Chavez for 3B and Ibanez for DH
7. Look for giller for 2B and 3B
I am willing to lose a year while we look to replace Cano and 3B, and would target Asdrubal Cabrerra in 2014 for SS…
These moves get rid of tons of money, acquire Jershaw and Kemp to help rotation and RF. I think we could still make a run at paly-offs, and do no waorse thatn we will do as constituted in play-offs.
There are only 3 things wrong with Gardner!
1. He can’t steal 1st Base.
2. He can’t steal 2nd Base when he needs too.
3. He can’t stay healthy!
Damn keyboard….s/b GM not HM
1. He can’t steal 1st Base.
2. He can’t steal 2nd Base when he needs too.
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1. He has had an above average OBP every year except his first. He had the highest OBP on the team in 2010, so he gets on first just fine.
2. He stole 49 and 47 bags, no one who steals that many bags is doing so meaninglessly.
1. CC Sabathia, Cano, ARod, and Granderson to LA for Kershaw, Kemp, and prospects.
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more like “I wish this were a video game with fair trades turned off” Why on earth would the Dodgers make that trade? It’s horrendous
The Yankees aren’t a playoff team right now…..will the change before opening day. TBD…..
but if they just bring back the same club minus Swisher then I think the risk of them missing the playoffs is pretty high…..
The Yankees aren’t a playoff team right now…..will the change before opening day. TBD…..
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No team is a playoff team on opening day…
“No team is a playoff team on opening day…”
Of course not….projecting
blake November 19th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
@ESPNNewYork: Matthews: Could #Yankees say yes to a takeover — by Rupert Murdoch? http://t.co/6RPaPvWV
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The devil you know vs. the devil you don’t…
JAP–
http://www.veoh.com/watch/v700.....gs+To+Come
“The devil you know vs. the devil you don’t…”
Which devil will spend more money?
Patrick November 19th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
1. CC Sabathia, Cano, ARod, and Granderson to LA for Kershaw, Kemp, and prospects.
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more like “I wish this were a video game with fair trades turned off” Why on earth would the Dodgers make that trade? It’s horrendous
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OK–no prospects..
@mlbtraderumors: Indians Open To Trading Cabrera, Choo http://t.co/sH7LGzf1 #mlb
Wish we could get Asdrubal
Bojo,
Haha …
blake,
Cabrera can’t field worth a crap and I don’t think he has the bat to justify playing him at third. Choo on the other hand would be awesome, in my opinion. I think he could hit 30+ HR playing in Yankee Stadium. Average fielder, amazing on base skills, has some speed, hits for average. He would be an upgrade over Swisher IMO…
Patrick–
My overall point is to shred the big contracts where you can, and prepare to start rebuilding. This team doesn’t have the clutch hitters needed to win it all IMO. I would keep Ibanez and Ichi though as i think they are good play-off performers…thought Melky was too…Jerkface may recall our debate as to signing him this past summer…
Bojo,
First of all, you say you want to get rid of big contracts but you trade for Kemp? That’s a big contract .. And I’m assuming you’d want to extend Kershaw beyond 2013?
Secondly, the Dodgers would never in a million years do that deal. It would be a horrible deal for them. Why would the Dodgers want to trade their two best players? I didn’t even realize you had A-rod in the deal until after I initially responded to your post. That makes it even worse. A-rod has negative value right now, no team will take him in a trade. The Yankees can say they don’t want to trade him, the truth is they CAN’T trade him and they know it.
That being said, Bojo, I agree it would be nice to get rid of the big contracts. It’s just not feasible though.
J. Alfred Prufrock November 19th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Bojo – Yankeefem, Odds and me have already been banging the Joba drum, but happy for reinforcement! Might it happen? It should. Odds says it never will. I remain hopeful.
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It won’t happen unfortunately. He would probably start on another team if he wanted to.
Beinfest: “We think we brought in championship quality talent.” #marlins
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I’ve ppl in favor of the mood bring this up too. SMFH it’s not like they traded stars for stars
“Cabrera can’t field worth a crap and I don’t think he has the bat to justify playing him at third. ”
He’s a heck of a lot better than the non Jeter options they currently have
Patrick….
AROD still has a positive WAR value if I recall correctly…and I would be willing to take on large contract for palyers under 28….It probably won’t happen as I laid it out, but I think we need to get rid of the palyers I list. Better a year too early than a year too late. This team reminds me a lot of the 1965 team.
Yankees selling team talk again? Only person i would want this team sold to is Mark Cuban. Younger George Steinbrenner. I would settle for the ownership of the LA Dodgers though…
“I think he could hit 30+ HR playing in Yankee Stadium. Average fielder, amazing on base skills, has some speed, hits for average. He would be an upgrade over Swisher IMO…”
Except any game a lefty pitches…..then he’s much worse
blake,
I think Nunez could give him a run for his money. He’s shown that he can be a decent SS if he isn’t moved around to other positions. And I think he has really good offensive potential.
I think the whole conversation is moot though, Jeter should be back for opening day. I would not be opposed to trading for (or signing) a 3B though.
Get the used to the typos folks…I am trying to learn touch typing.
I agree with Blake—forget Shoo…another player perhaps past his prime…
Except any game a lefty pitches…..then he’s much worse
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Doesn’t matter. Overall he would be a more valuable player than Swisher. Yes he is bad vs LHP, no it does not really matter if he plays like he did in 2009, 2010.
Except any game a lefty pitches…..then he’s much worse
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But actually not terrible. He averages a .330 OBP against lefties the last 4 years. No power, and chances are not much AVG either, but not a terrible liability in the late game. With a solid righty 4th OFer he’d be great since he crushes RHP.
Plus there is always K Long. Still as I said, Choo was a better choice a few years ago.
Bojo,
Positive WAR but he makes $27.5 million a year. Lets put it this way, if the Yanks put him out on the waiver wire and let any team claim him without giving up anything in a trade I would bet nobody takes him. If the Yankees wanted to trade A-rod they would have to give away significant prospects and eat minimum 50% of the salary. Just never going to happen, he’s worth more on the team than he is off it.
Id take Choo… He’s really good in 2/3 of the games and probably better than he was last year the other 1/3.. …just depends what Cleveland wants… If they ask for nova of phelps you guys doing that? Cause that’s probably what it takes … You’re not getting him for Warren or somebody like that
“I think Nunez could give him a run for his money”
I don’t at all but ok…..
I would absolutely do Nova or Phelps for Choo and not even think twice about it. Nova and Phelps are seriously a dime a dozen in this league. Choo could potentially be an all-star RF. Even last year he was mostly back to his old self. A bit less power than his good years and UZR hated his fielding but still a pretty good season.
I would absolutely do Nova or Phelps for Choo and not even think twice about it. Nova and Phelps are seriously a dime a dozen in this league.
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Yet somehow we never end up with a decent pitcher under 35….
I would NOT trade either one for 1 year of Choo.
Would it not be easier to just resign Ichiro for RF?
Patrick November 19th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
I would absolutely do Nova or Phelps for Choo and not even think twice about it. Nova and Phelps are seriously a dime a dozen in this league
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I have a higher opinion of Nova’s upside than you, I think. When he is on, he can dominate.
“I would absolutely do Nova or Phelps for Choo and not even think twice about it. Nova and Phelps are seriously a dime a dozen in this league. Choo could potentially be an all-star RF. ”
I might too but he’s a rental…..
Would it not be easier to just resign Ichiro for RF?
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It is easier to get worse production. Choo will be much better than Ichiro next year. I’d trade Nova easily because he is far too variable to worry about.
J. Alfred Prufrock November 19th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
“We’ve been punting catcher since Jorge retired, so no big deal. If Martin signs elsewhere, I’m sure we can find another catcher who can hit .200.”
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crap,i could hit .200 , and i’m 63
you and and i both knew that when cashman traded montero it was over . the trade symbolized a bigger problem that almost everyone is seeing now.
i have little interest in the yankees as a cashman and little steins led organization. when they leave i’ll be back. probably.
this present team isn’t really the yankees. it’s the bizarro yankees.
the yankees had better hope that a whole lot of other fans don’t start seeing the same thing.
Rupert Murdoch? Echh.
Choo is close to an elite hitter vs RHP….he hits for average , gets on base a lot and can hit for power and steal bases…..the platoon split holds down his overall value but he’s a lot better than the Ichiro from the last couple of years
Patrick November 19th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Bojo,
Positive WAR but he makes $27.5 million a year. Lets put it this way, if the Yanks put him out on the waiver wire and let any team claim him without giving up anything in a trade I would bet nobody takes him. If the Yankees wanted to trade A-rod they would have to give away significant prospects and eat minimum 50% of the salary. Just never going to happen, he’s worth more on the team than he is off it.
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Which is why I think they have to trade AROD with CC and Cano and Grandy….If LA wants to win a WS fast, this would be a good move for them. CC is a good replacement for Kershaw, and Cano is about as good as Kemp, thus Grandy and AROD tip the scale to make it attractive IMO. LA probably wants to draw fans back fast..this helps them. So while in a pure baseball sense, it may seem questionable, I think there are other ways to sell it.
Randy!
Yet somehow we never end up with a decent pitcher under 35….
I would NOT trade either one for 1 year of Choo.
Would it not be easier to just resign Ichiro for RF?
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Yankees have developed several decent young pitchers. Assuming you are only referring to starting pitchers – Joba, Hughes, Kennedy, Nova, Phelps. I still think Noesi can be decent.
With relief pitchers you can add more names into the mix. Robertson, Clippard
I would re-sign Ichiro, trade Granderson and trade for Choo if possible. Or another outfielder, Upton would be nice but Choo is probably more realistic. Choo-Gardner-Ichiro is a pretty good outfield. Or Upton-Gardner-Ichiro
I would trade Nova for Choo as well probably if it came right down to it….
Randy,
They have certainly made this team about an unentertaining as possible. I truly am wondering what else to do with my summer evenings other than watch a team of old guys unsuccessfully swing for the fences.
These guys are truly clueless.
I can’t think the Indians could do a lot better than nova for Choo to be honest…..
Jerkface November 19th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
I’d trade Nova easily because he is far too variable to worry about.
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He is still learning his craft, and has great tools. No way would I trade him.
I think they will sign Ichiro and Hairston though for RF. zzzzzz
Bojo,
A-rod is a massive negative value in that trade.
Kershaw is worth more than Sabathia – Kershaw is better and 8 years younger.
Kemp is worth more than Cano – both are extremely good but Kemp is 2 years younger and already signed to a reasonable long term deal.
Grandy would help the Dodgers but he’s not worth much since he’s a 1 year rental.
So breaking it down this trade is vastly in favor of the Yankees. Plus I doubt the Dodgers would trade Kemp and Kershaw even if you blow them away with an offer. They are home grown superstars, LA has zero reason to trade them.
I would trade Nova for Choo as well probably if it came right down to it….
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so we lose a starter?
Then after 2013, Hughes will be gone too because Hal wont pay anyone anymore.
So….. We have CC and?
Won’t even give Kuroda a pretty obvious 2 year deal for 25-30 M.
Cashman is really Hal’s mouthpiece these days. When Hal says we can win spending far less Cashman agrees. Unfortunately for Brian, it is time to prove it. I swear I would prefer a number of people on this board making personnel decisions.
So breaking it down this trade is vastly in favor of the Yankees. Plus I doubt the Dodgers would trade Kemp and Kershaw even if you blow them away with an offer. They are home grown superstars, LA has zero reason to trade them.
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Especially since they are NOT concerned with the luxury tax.
“They have certainly made this team about an unentertaining as possible. I truly am wondering what else to do with my summer evenings other than watch a team of old guys unsuccessfully swing for the fences.”
austin mac-
they were so boring this fall, i became a nate silver fan.
i even bought his book.
when politics is more fun than baseball you know something is wrong.
Randy has been too big with this hit and run stuff.. stick around randy, and bask in the complaint-centric off season with us!!
Patrick November 19th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Bojo,
A-rod is a massive negative value in that trade.
Kershaw is worth more than Sabathia – Kershaw is better and 8 years younger.
Kemp is worth more than Cano – both are extremely good but Kemp is 2 years younger and already signed to a reasonable long term deal.
Grandy would help the Dodgers but he’s not worth much since he’s a 1 year rental.
So breaking it down this trade is vastly in favor of the Yankees. Plus I doubt the Dodgers would trade Kemp and Kershaw even if you blow them away with an offer. They are home grown superstars, LA has zero reason to trade them.
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Other factors to consider include value LA places on AROD pursuing home run record, the upgrade over 2B and 3B for them while replacing their two palyers with fairly close replacements….
I’m not saying that I disagree with you, but I don’t really see another way to get rid of these contracts.
Plus LA gets a first round draft pick when Grandy leaves….
Here is the issue: You can’t lose a cost controlled starter for one year of Choo… then in 2014 you’d have a hole in the OF and the rotation whereas right now we just have a hole in the OF (aside from all those other gaping holes, of course..).
“I’m not saying that I disagree with you, but I don’t really see another way to get rid of these contracts.”
There probably isn’t a way
I’m not saying that I disagree with you, but I don’t really see another way to get rid of these contracts.
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That’s because there is no way to get rid of these contracts.
The only big contract the Yankees could move is Sabathia’s. And you won’t get equal value back.
Who would place value on Arod passing the HR record at this point?? Not only does it get more doubtful he will even get there by the season.. but there’s also that whole steroid thing. I know it didn’t stop Barry from getting support in SF but this is a situation where an already old and >30 HR per year Arod comes to a brand new team. Not a place where he’s grown to be loved or anything crazy like that.
They’ll potentially have Pineda in 2014 . Considering how bad Nova was and his general skill set I’d say both are a 50/50 proposition of being helpful going forward. Get what you can now!
They will only have 4 starters for 2014 if they keep CC, Pineda, Nova, & Phelps. They can trade one of those guys. They will most likely have to dabble in free agency any ways for that year, and there are guys like Warren, Betances, and Banuelos. Then guys in AA like Marshall, O’Brien, and Nuno.
Here is the issue: You can’t lose a cost controlled starter for one year of Choo… then in 2014 you’d have a hole in the OF and the rotation whereas right now we just have a hole in the OF (aside from all those other gaping holes, of course..).
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Thats why Choo is unlikely. A starter is better spent on a longer term guy.
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“Here is the issue: You can’t lose a cost controlled starter for one year of Choo”
Pineda, Hughes, Phelps , Marshall, Banuelos, misc old guy veterans….
.it just depends on what you think of nova….if you think he really has front line or even #3 like potential then you don’t make that trade….but if you see him as a replaceable back end guy that you can part with without it affecting too much then maybe you do…..
I lean more towards the latter of those two personally
It would have been really smart to trade Nova after 2011. It would be really smart to trade Phelps right now.
I’d rather trade Hughes than Nova…get more…plus I think Nova has upside and that he just tired last year…
Which is why I think they have to trade AROD with CC and Cano and Grandy….If LA wants to win a WS fast, this would be a good move for them. CC is a good replacement for Kershaw, and Cano is about as good as Kemp, thus Grandy and AROD tip the scale to make it attractive IMO. LA probably wants to draw fans back fast..this helps them. So while in a pure baseball sense, it may seem questionable, I think there are other ways to sell it.
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You would have to give the Dodgers CC and Cano for nothing for them to take all of Arod’s contract. That’s how overpaid he is. Think about it, how much are they going to value CC when they can just sign Greinke? How much would they value Cano when they can just sign him as a free agent next year? Maybe, maybe just enough for them to take Arod. Then you are left trying to trade Granderson for Kershaw and Kemp, which is, of course, hilarious.
plus I think Nova has upside and that he just tired last year…
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Tired from what? He was bad the entire season & spring training & has had very consistent innings the past 3 seasons
blake November 19th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
“Here is the issue: You can’t lose a cost controlled starter for one year of Choo”
Pineda, Hughes, Phelps , Marshall, Banuelos, misc old guy veterans….
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Pineda has to show me he can even pitch again before I start thinking of him in the rotation…Marshall, Many and other prospects have not yet earned any trust at major league level….Phelps seems like a 5th starter tyep, and Hughes–who knows?
I don’t trade young arms like Nova with so much uncertainty going forward
Jerkface November 19th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
plus I think Nova has upside and that he just tired last year…
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Tired from what? He was bad the entire season & spring training & has had very consistent innings the past 3 seasons
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Could be just maturation process…Who knows why he got tired, but his performance before being put on DL was that of a tired arm….
Forget Choo.Get his Teammate Cabrera you have him 2 years move Jeter to RF!
Can’t stay on long but I’m interested in your thoughts about that big one!
Bring on board Nate Silver and Larry Bowa
jacksquat November 19th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Which is why I think they have to trade AROD with CC and Cano and Grandy….If LA wants to win a WS fast, this would be a good move for them. CC is a good replacement for Kershaw, and Cano is about as good as Kemp, thus Grandy and AROD tip the scale to make it attractive IMO. LA probably wants to draw fans back fast..this helps them. So while in a pure baseball sense, it may seem questionable, I think there are other ways to sell it.
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You would have to give the Dodgers CC and Cano for nothing for them to take all of Arod’s contract. That’s how overpaid he is. Think about it, how much are they going to value CC when they can just sign Greinke? How much would they value Cano when they can just sign him as a free agent next year? Maybe, maybe just enough for them to take Arod. Then you are left trying to trade Granderson for Kershaw and Kemp, which is, of course, hilarious.
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Yankees could throw money into the deal to offset your first point…and after that, ARod is an upgrade at 3B for LA, and rest of deal becomes more viable.
Could be just maturation process…Who knows why he got tired, but his performance before being put on DL was that of a tired arm…
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But he was doing poorly the entire year, not just right before he went on the DL. His ERA was below 5 for only 1 month: June.
He also didn’t suffer any other affects you’d normally see. He had his velocity, his breaking stuff, he struck out people. He just had very poor command.
I think Hughes is just better than Nova and I think he will continue to be as well…..the issue obviously is that Hugjes is almost a FA.
I wouldn’t give nova away….I still like him but his command and lack of deception concern me…..when you throw 95 and guys are whacking the ball a over the yard like its 85 then guys are seeing it really well out of your hand and you also aren’t putting the ball in good spots either……if nova had a history in the minors of plus command/ control then maybe you say wel he’s still just developing and adjusting to te big leagues……Im afraid it may just be who he is though.
Jerkface November 19th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
He also didn’t suffer any other affects you’d normally see. He had his velocity, his breaking stuff, he struck out people. He just had very poor command.
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I recall many young arms who had poor command as they went trhough maturation process…then they developed steady mechanics and became breakout starters..like Greinke as I recall.
Blake, sometimes a pitcher with such tools just needs to develop a little deception in his delivery to become better. I still like his stuff alot.
randy l. November 19th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
J. Alfred Prufrock November 19th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
“We’ve been punting catcher since Jorge retired, so no big deal. If Martin signs elsewhere, I’m sure we can find another catcher who can hit .200.”
j.a.pru.-
crap,i could hit .200 , and i’m 63
you and and i both knew that when cashman traded montero it was over . the trade symbolized a bigger problem that almost everyone is seeing now.
i have little interest in the yankees as a cashman and little steins led organization. when they leave i’ll be back. probably.
this present team isn’t really the yankees. it’s the bizarro yankees.
the yankees had better hope that a whole lot of other fans don’t start seeing the same thing.
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Well, you’re a sight for sore eyes!!!
This site just got a whole lot better, welcome back.
Yeah, it’s like some weird palace coup is in play. I admit a certain numbness has crept over me regarding my childhood team; the Montero trade felt like the end of something important that never really had a chance. The most empowered statement I could have made was giving up my seasons… which we’d had in the family for years and years, so I entirely felt that same symbolic death.
It’s disquieting, too, how Mariano crumpled to the ground during his carefree, recreational downtime chasing flyballs in center, and Jeter goes down during a playoff game… Ugly year.
Hope you stick around
Whereas I have never seen Hughes as a top of rotation starter….too inconsistent to excite me. Maybe he too will improve with maturity, which is why I have been patient and not called for his trading…
I recall many young arms who had poor command as they went trhough maturation process…then they developed steady mechanics and became breakout starters..like Greinke as I recall.
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Zach Greinke did not have poor command. His first fullseason in the minors he had a BB/9 of 1.2. He made it to the big leagues at 20. This isn’t to poopoo the idea that Nova cannot grow, but he had the same issues in the minors. It may simply be who he is. It isn’t a new wrinkle brought on by adjusting to the majors.
Greinke is a bad comparison, he was a stud in the minor leagues. Nova never showed the pedigree of a guy like Greinke when he was coming up.
As I said 2 years ago and again last year, I could have lived with the Montero trade if they got either Bryce Harper or Gio Gonzales.
austinmac November 19th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Rupert Murdoch? Echh.
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Really.
Some pitchers take time to develop command and a consistent delivery..heck, Hughes still is IMO….I would lean more towards patience with Nova, and see if he can add deception to his delivery.
You could point to Gio Gonzales as a guy who improved his command over time as he matured…In fact, many lefties are like that. While Nova isn’t a leftie, I still think there are examples of maturity working to the benefit of the pitcher.
As a rule of thumb, I don’t give up on good young arms until they reach 28…
Which means you’ll never trade any young arm. Gio still walks people at a high rate, and close to his minor league average. The Yankees have to figure out which guys to stick with and which guys to let go. A guy like Nova who is a back end type of guy is the perfect one to trade while they are still valued by other teams.
BoJo November 19th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
JAP–
http://www.veoh.com/watch/v700…..gs+To+Come
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Bojo, thanks, I really like the city shots and the sort of menacing Christmas music. I will definitely watch it.
Jerkface November 19th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Which means you’ll never trade any young arm. Gio still walks people at a high rate, and close to his minor league average. The Yankees have to figure out which guys to stick with and which guys to let go. A guy like Nova who is a back end type of guy is the perfect one to trade while they are still valued by other teams.
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I would trade guys who don’t show me anything at major league level…which means prospects are on the table. Once a guy shows something at majors, I am willing to be patient. Joba showed a lot, Hughes showed flashes, Nova did too…Betances has not, neither has Manny…
J. Alfred Prufrock November 19th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
BoJo November 19th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
JAP–
http://www.veoh.com/watch/v700…..gs+To+Come
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Bojo, thanks, I really like the city shots and the sort of menacing Christmas music. I will definitely watch it
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My pleasure…let me know if you think of any like that. I love and collect those old time flicks…
I would trade guys who don’t show me anything at major league level…which means prospects are on the table. Once a guy shows something at majors, I am willing to be patient. Joba showed a lot, Hughes showed flashes, Nova did too…Betances has not, neither has Manny…
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The former are more valuable than the latter in trades.
Bojo,
Drawing a blank at the moment, but if you want to see a great flick, check out the Czech classic “Closely Watched Trains.” I saw it last week after watching it years ago. ’60s film.
Time for dinner. Good one, all.
Joba showed a lot,
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*sign*
Bojo, (Odds, YF): five o’clock prayer, right? Pretty much what it is, at this point: a prayer.
Later.
@AndrewMarchand: If they were above $189M in ’14, tax would be 50 percent. I don’t think Hal is bluffing.
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Yankee beat writers still getting fooled by Hal’s rhetoric.
A 50% tax on payroll above $189 is actually beneficial to the Yankees compared to the current rate of 40% over $178.
Yea it is a prayer. I’m sure ppl are tired of it being brought up but I think it just points to how much Cashman has failed at developing pitching.
“Blake, sometimes a pitcher with such tools just needs to develop a little deception in his delivery to become better. I still like his stuff alot.”
Sometimes….but sometimes they just are what they are too.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, eh?
Patrick November 19th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
It would have been really smart to trade Nova after 2011. It would be really smart to trade Phelps right now.
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Has Cashman ever sold high on a player?
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Has Cashman ever sold high on a player?”
Never
Thanks JAP–downloading it now
“you and and i both knew that when cashman traded montero it was over .”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sQPZ9dD9v8
You’re all a bunch of spoiled complaining patooties!
As long as another planet doesn’t strike ours or aliens invade us who hate the sacred game of baseball, I can rest my head on my pillow soundly knowing that the incredible Yankees front office fresh off of 95 inspiring wins will have the wisdom of Solomon and put fantastic human non-android men in Yankee uniforms capable of feats of courage and strength we haven’t seen since last Festivus.
You have no right to criticize the NY Yankees. They’re bigger than all of us. Like the Eiffel Tower & that great ball of twine in Kansas!
Now I don’t know what to believe!
Mutual Interest For Yankees, Ibanez
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [November 19 at 4:50pm CST]
Postseason hero Raul Ibanez would like to re-sign with the Yankees this offseason and the interest is mutual, Ken Davidoff of the New York Post reports. The Yankees have “significant interest” in the 40-year-old, according to Davidoff. The club has asked Ibanez to wait while they focus on pitching, and that hasn’t diminished his interest in returning to the Bronx.
“If I get an opportunity to play for the Yankees again,” he told Davidoff, “it would be fantastic.”
Ibanez provided power throughout the regular season, hitting 19 home runs and posting a .240/.308/.453 batting line as a designated hitter and corner outfielder. The 40-year-old had a remarkable postseason, hitting two memorable home runs in the ALDS and another in the ALCS. He shouldn’t face left-handed pitching at this stage in his career, and manager Joe Girardi acknowledged as much by using Ibanez against right-handers for 85% of his 425 plate appearances.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#bWbvQyBUwJYLIk5E.99
It’s going to be a lonely Thanksgiving this year. Just put the lady of my life on the airplane in Greeneville,SC, en route to Easton, PA, to celebrate with her kids and grandkids. Could’t go with her, for a couple of reasons. It will be the first Thanksgiving I’ve spent without family since Vietnam, but those guys were family, too.
I wish everybody here a warm and lovely Thanksgiving. Think I’ll roast a turkey anyway, but it ain’t the same.
I want Ibanez back….just probably in a lesser role than the Yankees do
Sorry you have to celebrate without your family Tom….that’s tough….but that’s more turkey for you at least
Hi Tommie–at least you have your Yankee family…best wishes to you
If the Yankees decided in 5 years to sell controlling interest of YES, the Steinbrenners would be in a position to profit billions of dollars from the sale to Fox plus be able to negotiate a multi billion dollar TV deal with Fox for the rights to broadcast the games while retaining the asset of the team.
Since Rupert Murdoch’s son James heads up the Newscorp TV division including their regional sports networks and just so happens to sit on the boad of directors of Yankees Global Enterprises, the parties would seem to know each other fairly well.
Nice piece about the erosion of the Yankees payroll advantage over at the Yankees Analyst:
http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/
The graph is striking. I suppose the team would still have a payroll advantage if it weren’t for the massive dead weight, largely from the A-Rod deal. If you thought that that was good contract at that time please raise your hand… I cannot see any raised hands from where I am sitting – nice to know there are a lot of smart readers here.
AndrewMarchand profile
AndrewMarchand Let me say this to the idea the Steinbrenners will sell. Team officials say no and there are counter-arguments to support their case.
Good evening,
So Baldemort might becoming back after all
Raul’s agent: Cash, you know Raul really would enjoy coming back to the Yankees next year…he enjoyed the veteran environment where the players could all go to early bird specials and AARP meetings together…..he’s be fine with a bench role for a similar salary as last year.
Cashman: a bench role ….how about starting right fielder for 1.5 million!
Bojo and blake,
At least I can watch any football game I want. After all, she rarely gets up for the Macy’s parade, anyway, but I’ll be there.
Bojo, my “Yankee family” appears to be comitting harakiri here I just like to have hopes, not gloom. I’ll be here, anyway.
You have to trade nova,phelps for a decent bat.
Matter of fact,if i were cashman i’d look to do exactly that.
Maybe trade both phelps,and nova for a few bats.
I’d also trade cano,and granderson before it’s too late,and look to sign hamilton,but only if he’d do a 4/96 deal,and we should of signed melky who’d give us good production for less than what swisher got paid.
Trading montero,as we are seeing now was a big mistake.
Montero would of had a much better offensive years in ny because he was comfortable there instead of getting traded to a new city,and catching more than he was used to.
We basically got nothing for losing him,and that simply can’t happen.
I’d be much happier if we traded montero for a position player/prospect,or headley.Someone like that,or an olt/profar/ type of prospect.
Has Cashman ever sold high on a player?
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Montero’s value was high when he was traded, but not at it’s highest. In general you are right …
Tar,
Heels don’t look half bad huh
Tom,
Go get a turkey. We die hards will be around to talk with you. Have a good Thanksgiving. I do remember one Christmas when I was without my kids.
Blake
Not at all. Improving every game, which is all you can hope for with such a young team.
austdo n
‘I’ll do’ that, just for the sandwiches.
Deserves more attention
Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
@rebeccapbp @AndyInSunnyDB Scouts rave about Ramon Flores. Not very athletic but he’s a smart player with a solid batting eye.
Has Cashman ever sold high on a player?
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I might have shuffled off this mortal coil long ago but for the sandwiches.
Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
@rebeccapbp @AndyInSunnyDB Scouts rave about Ramon Flores. Not very athletic but he’s a smart player with a solid batting eye.
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Haha exactly what we need, more unathletic players
Screw your sarcasm! I’ll bet you 28 chocolate bars that Ramon Flores… eh, never mind.
Patrick November 19th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
@rebeccapbp @AndyInSunnyDB Scouts rave about Ramon Flores. Not very athletic but he’s a smart player with a solid batting eye.
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Haha exactly what we need, more unathletic players
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I think they used the wrong word. They probably meant that he’s not a big, muscular guy. He’s 5’10 and kind of a medium build. He’s not some fat, slow guy.
The Return of Stoneburner November 19th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Has Cashman ever sold high on a player?
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Agreed – people forget what a good deal that was. A-Rod came relatively cheap because Texas covered some salary and they got some amazing seasons out of him before he opted out of that deal. But from there on, the rest is history (and unrelated to the original deal and to Cashman’s dealings).
The team has really been hampered by deals that Cash did not broker. The re-signing of A-Rod, the bad contract for R. Soriano (and loss of the draft pick that could be moving through the system) etc. He was on the hook for Burnett, but at least cut the teams losses on him.
MLB Network said it’s going to have a segment coming up on what players the Yankees should get when they go on their shopping spree. trololol
Can’t wait to see this segment.
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How good what that deal have looked if Texas had chose Cano as 1 of the 5 prospects offered?
I guess everyone in baseball misjudged Cano since according to some here he was offered to almost everyone and no one took him. But it’s only the Yankees that didn’t know what they had.
The fact is, at the time of the Arod trade, Cano hadn’t done anything special in the minors. After that trade, he hit better in 2004, then was called up in 2005.
They knew him better than any other club. Sure he never went in those deals but what does it say about the org if that they put him in that many deals
To begin with
Oh it’s a scandal. A total scandal. I’m surprised they can show their faces in public. The nerve!
In fact, that’s probably why Cashman insisted on clearing out all that dead weight in the Tampa faction. For Cano negligence. World Series glory followed. Excellent leadership, General Manager Cashman.
Against All Odds November 19th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
They knew him better than any other club. Sure he never went in those deals but what does it say about the org if that they put him in that many deals
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Other teams have scouts. So if he was offered in so many deals (which I have seen no proof of), they all didn’t evaluate him well either.
Or maybe he hadn’t done anything special until 2004, and just turned out better than anyone expected.
Maybe but imo it doesn’t make the Yankees look better because those teams didn’t take him in any of those deals.
He was said to be in 3-4
Cano was simply never a hype prospect. Never a top 100 prospect, never a top prospect in the system. He is the shining example of a non-premium guy turning into an elite player. Can’t get down on the Yankees for anything involving him, seeing as in the end they kept him instead of trading him for Dontrelle Willis or anyone else. Though they can trade him now if they want
And yet somehow, they couldn’t let him walk away, couldn’t let him leave without a trace. Take a look at him now!
Jerkface November 20th, 2012 at 12:24 am
Cano was simply never a hype prospect. Never a top 100 prospect, never a top prospect in the system. He is the shining example of a non-premium guy turning into an elite player. Can’t get down on the Yankees for anything involving him, seeing as in the end they kept him instead of trading him for Dontrelle Willis or anyone else. Though they can trade him now if they want
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Maybe it’s just me being too hard on them along with everything else but so be it.
Ans I was just hoping the Yanks could add some like Keppinger, Shoppach, and Uehara.
They’re not spending big $$$, we KNOW that ! Maybe some trading ?
First word : AND
Yanks rarely sold high on anyone because if they are highly regarded players, yanks are most likely keep them for annual play off runs. Sori for Rod is one, and Wells for Clemens was another i can think of, but both time Yankees acquire a even better player… well clemens is really debatable in retrospect. Roberto kelly was at the height of his value, when Michael pulled the trigger for O’neil. So i really don’t think you can blame cashman for that. On minor leaguers, the same concept applies, except the evaluations happens to be off a lot more than MLB proven guys.
it’s about the money! anywho, cashman will finally have his wish and demonstrate what he can do with limited spending. to fill the holes in ny lineup and expect the same productions probably will require a bit creative thinking and the willingness to take significant risks for possible high return players. so far, it’s early and it see little of that being put into action. I think Cashman is ill suited for such task, he can prove me wrong. we got a way to go.
he’s baaaack…
http://tinyurl.com/chan9gm
Morning
The breadcrumbs are on the trail for all to see :
“Nov. 19th: News Corp. would acquire 49% of YES in the transaction according to Richard Sandomir and Amy Chozick, but there would be the option to increase their stake to as much as 80% in 3-5 years. I can’t help but wonder if that option is an indication that the Steinbrenners have their eye on selling the club down the line.”
From RAB.
Question is, Will the new owner(s) be more willing to spend than the Steins ?
@Ken_Rosenthal: #BlueJays avgd 85 wins under Gibbons in ’06-’07 at a time when #Yankees, #RedSox were powerhouses. Gibbons impressed with bullpen mgmnt.
Since they aren’t gonna sign anybody big nd because its unlikely they can acquire a J Upton, or Headley, or Gordon…..
then the Yanks best shot at both winning in 2013 and keeping money off the books for 2014 might be to try and trade for Choo and then look to sign Haren and Soria to one year deals……
And obviously also bring back Kuroda and Andy
I’m not giving up a Nova for 1 yr. of Choo.
I trade one of our young guys in a package for a young, high-upside OF’er.
We can’t do it anyway unless Pettitte and kuroda are inked.
Like Haren and Soria though.
“I trade one of our young guys in a package for a young, high-upside OF’er.”
Id love to….but that may not be possible.
Of course what id like for them to do is to sign Hamtilton and trade Granderson for either a 3B or SS prospect that’s fairly close…..but they won’t do that either
Good morning gentleman-
Forget Choo, Upton, Headley.
It’s simple. Cashman is waiting to get a yea or nay from Kuroda, and a commitment from Pettitte before he signs Ibanez to play in RF.
The DBacks are signing Nakajima for SS and now have no reason to trade Upton. Just think Nakajima could have been a Yankee last year and then we could have included him in a trade for Upton.
RF will be a cheap platoon and Ibanez is getting more than 1.1M. He actually, I read where he got around 3M with all the incentives.
The Soria market sounds ridiculous. Seems like everyone is interested. I wouldn’t touch him if he’s actually going to cost something.
RadioKev says:
November 20, 2012 at 8:10 am
The Soria market sounds ridiculous. Seems like everyone is interested. I wouldn’t touch him if he’s actually going to cost something.
I’m sure lots of teams are interested but I can’t see anybody guaranteeing him a ton of money and also he’s expressed interest in pitching with his idol Rivera
Choo-FA after 2013
Asdrubal Cabrera-signed thru 2014. If you are concerned about Jeter’s range next year go get Cabrera and tell The Captain that he might be moving to RF!
No-one would tackle that one.
Gardner CF
Jeter SS
Choo RF
Cano 2B
Tex 1B
Arod 3B
Granderson LF
Ibanez DH
Romine C
That wouldn’t be bad against RHP…..the obvious problem would be vs lefties…..and there are a lot of good LHP in the AL east……you’d really be relying on Jeter and Tex
Yeah blake, I saw that. It would be nice. We’ll see what happens. To me he seems like he’s going to be an expensive “buy low” guy…
According to the Sabermetricians…..Asdrubal doesn’t have much more range than Jeter does….of course I don’t believe in Sabermetrics that much for defense…..Asdrubal would presumably cost a lot more to acquire than Choo.
Actually Id call Towers and see if a 3 way could be worked out where the Dbacks get Cabrera and the Yanks get Upton….. I dunno…
Hope you all have a great Holiday with your families.
By the time Cashman gets the starting pitching figured out, many teams will have already filled their holes thru trades and FA signings. It’ll be cheap replacements in RF, bench, and quite possibly catcher.
Yankees get : Justin Upton
Dbacks get : Asdrubal Cabrera and Prospects
Indians get: prospects from Yanks and Dbacks
Obviously the prospects are the question…..but a deal like that could make everyone happy as tr Dbacks want a SS and the Indians just need quantity in youn talent to rebuild
Gotta go.
Maybe we’ll know where Martin signs any day now. Is there a 3 year contract out there for him?
“Maybe we’ll know where Martin signs any day now. Is there a 3 year contract out there for him?”
Hopefully not with the Yankees….
Morning all —
I agree pitching needs to come first, but I hope Cashman and company have some deadlines in mind. I have no doubt they are in touch with some FA and possible trade partners to lay the ground work for making moves once they know the status of Pettitte, Kuroda and Mariano.
Choo is aninteresting player. His splits vs LHP were horrific last year (.199/.318/.286) for his career against LHP isn’t that bad (.249/.338/.358). He’s great against RHP and is a good Of defensively.
Do you platoon him? Just sit him against the best lefties? If you have Choo and Ibanez on the roster you better find a RH bat or two.
“Do you platoon him? Just sit him against the best lefties? If you have Choo and Ibanez on the roster you better find a RH bat or two.”
I agree ….they need RH bats either way. Id probably play Choo every day at first because as others have mentioned he’s never been as bad vs LHP in his career as he was last year……Cano was horrible vs lefties last year also and he’s ways been better than that.
Id really like to bring Ichiro back simply because I like him…..but I think you have to consider if an outfield with both he and Gardner is going to be good enough assuming they can add an impact bat elsewhere
The need for RH bats is why J Upton would help this team so much in so many ways….he’d make them younger and more balanced in the lineup…… It’s just tough to see happening though unless Cashman can get the right 3rd team involved…….
Would hate to see an all LH hitting Of with lilmited power.
If they do a Choo deal they certainly don’t bring back Ichiro.
Gomes in a part time role might be an interesting guy. He can really hit lefties.
Okay fellas, there are two working days left until Thanksgiving and I need a distraction from all this work I don’t do…
I’m counting on you.
I need you now more than ever.
Let’s ban together to procrastinate like we’ve never procrastinated before!!
…..this is so the opposite of banning together, guys.
Please don’t act like anyone makes you cook anything for Thanksgiving.
Now that I think about it though, do any of the gentlemen on here do the Turkey Day cookin’?? Maybe it’s just my family that reinforces traditional gender roles…
Shame, I don’t do any of the cooking but I do all the holiday baking. Right now there are about 500 cookies in the fridge and freezer. Still lots more to go.
Everybody is too busy thinking up trade proposals to post this morning?
@TylerKepner: Gibbons: “I was with Melky in KC. He was a good hitter, just a flat-out good hitter. He really started coming into his own over there.”
Really? I thought he was a 4th outfielder without the juice?
It’s gonna really suck if Melky hits .300, 15 , 80 next year while playing good outfield defense……
Shame ~
We have hosted a large, family Thanksgiving dinner most of the nearly 30 years of our marriage – I have never once cooked a turkey. I do the stuffing and mashed potatoes, my husband cooks the bird on the BBQ and our guests bring all the rest (salads, side dishes, beverages and desserts).
Happy Thanksgiving, Yankee fans!
Echo echo echo …..
When the Jays were looking I was 99.9% sure they were going to rehire Cito Gaston. This was close.
I don’t mind that the Yankees haven’t made a big splash yet, but I am a little concerned that they haven’t even handed out some minor league contracts. You’re telling me that they couldn’t have used a guy like Pie or Olsen in AAA as insurance?
blake November 20th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Everybody is too busy thinking up trade proposals to post this morning?
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Lol no trying to figure out who is the best cheap back-up option the Yankees can afford.
I mean, I do mind that they haven’t made any big moves yet – but I’ve accepted that this is how they’re going to do their thing – but to not make any moves is a little thick to me.
Oh, and I love Andy – but once again he’s doing his hemming and hawing and not letting the Yankees know what he plans to do. Seriously, I’m tired of this guy holding the organization hostage. If I was Brian I would have signed Rivera because that’s an easy thing to get done; and then I would proceed as if Andy’s not coming back until I hear differently.
Last thing you want if you’re a Yankee fan is to watch guys like McCarthy, Haren, even Blanton come off the board and THEN have Andy say, “Y’all know what, I think I would rather spend time with the kids so I’m gonna pass.” And then you’re stuck reaching out to Freddy Garcia and Carl Pavano.
Joel Sherman on Yankee Hot Stove – of all the free agents available the only one the Yankees seem inclined to commit money to beyond next year is Russell Martin.
Talk about a head scratcher.
Jim -
500+ cookies? What are you doing, opening a bakery?
By the way – I hope we’re all prepared for Raul Ibanez to be the starting RF when we open the season…sigh.
blake -
If we all sat around and did nothing, and came up with no viable trades for the Yankees, they may start calling us all by the same name – Cashman!
“Joel Sherman on Yankee Hot Stove – of all the free agents available the only one the Yankees seem inclined to commit money to beyond next year is Russell Martin.”
Lol…,unreal ….they are gonna give Martin a 3/30 deal aren’t they….
Chip November 20th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Joel Sherman on Yankee Hot Stove – of all the free agents available the only one the Yankees seem inclined to commit money to beyond next year is Russell Martin.
Talk about a head scratcher.
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Their love for Russell Martin is sickening.
As I said yesterday, there is more money to be made for the Steinbrenners by selling control of YES, collecting the TV licensing money and keeping the Yankees…. Hal may not know baseball but he knows finance.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/.....-2042.html
AL,
Cashman is hard at work on Ibanez and some old RH DH as we speak…..he’s working hard!
Pat M has been saying for two years that the Steins were gonna sell at some point….,I’m starting to believe him
If Cashman does not address the pressing needs of this team, it will make signing FA like Kuroda that much harder.
If Raul is the starting RF in 2013, then the Yankees have thrown in the towel before the first pitch is thrown in 2013.
blake November 20th, 2012 at 10:25 am
“Joel Sherman on Yankee Hot Stove – of all the free agents available the only one the Yankees seem inclined to commit money to beyond next year is Russell Martin.”
Lol…,unreal ….they are gonna give Martin a 3/30 deal aren’t they….
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That would be my guess. On the one hand I get it: He’s the 2nd best free agent catcher available and he works well with the pitchers that they have and also you don’t know what you have in Romine and Sanchez and Murphy aren’t ready.
On the other hand: He’s not that good and true you don’t know what you have in Romine, and he did struggle in AFL, but if you’re going to have a bad offensive catcher why not save some money by having a guy making the ML minimum there.
blake November 20th, 2012 at 10:25 am
“Joel Sherman on Yankee Hot Stove – of all the free agents available the only one the Yankees seem inclined to commit money to beyond next year is Russell Martin.”
Lol…,unreal ….they are gonna give Martin a 3/30 deal aren’t they
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That’s what it feels like. I always thought one and an option but it seems like he’ll be here longer than that
The best trade the Yankees could make this off season, Billy Beane for Cashman, lol.
blake November 20th, 2012 at 10:26 am
AL,
Cashman is hard at work on Ibanez and some old RH DH as we speak…..he’s working hard!
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Problem is that when they originally brought in Ibanez it was to be a part time LH DH. Now they are seriously considering him as their primary RF’er. Which means they’re not considering Ichiro.
He’s not that good and true you don’t know what you have in Romine, and he did struggle in AFL
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Struggling in the AFL is not good, especially this year when the pitching was as bad as it’s been in years according to many scouts.
Ibanez hit some HRs and he had a good post season but he did not play well for the Yankees last year – I would far rather have Ichiro and his plus defense in RF and have him hit 13 – 15 HRs (which he would do playing home games at Yankee Stadium) than Ibanez, his .300 OBP and his butcher ability in the field.
AAA November 20th, 2012 at 10:31 am
He’s not that good and true you don’t know what you have in Romine, and he did struggle in AFL
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Struggling in the AFL is not good, especially this year when the pitching was as bad as it’s been in years according to many scouts.
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I would still prefer him over Martin on a 3 year deal.
They totally misread Martin’s market…..they thought they could get him back for peanuts on a 2 or 3 year deal because he barely hit .200……they forgot how bad the catching position is and how many teams need somebody that can actually catch full time……
There aren’t 30 legit big league caliber starting catchers in baseball right now
I’d prefer Stewart over Martin.
they are gonna give Martin a 3/30 deal aren’t they
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Based on what Molina ended up with (5/$75), something like 3/$27M-$30M might be in the ballpark. Hate that his bat disappears for months at a time, but the staff does seem to like him.
my source in Pelican Bay State Prison has revealed that Cashman and L.A. Angels are in serious discussion on a deal that would bring Mike Trout back to the east coast. Cashman is a true G, you all need to stay calm and watch the magic happen.
There aren’t 30 legit big league caliber starting catchers in baseball right now
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Bingo. I think Martin is one of those though. Low end of the scale, but one of them nonetheless.
ideally i like to lock martin up for life.
“Based on what Molina ended up with (5/$75), something like 3/$27M-$30M might be in the ballpark. Hate that his bat disappears for months at a time, but the staff does seem to like him.”
Which is why they should have made him the qualifying offer…..he probably would have taken it and paying him 13.3 million for one year is much better than paying him 10 million for 3…..
Good morning guys,
Big Al,
I would settle for Oppenheimer and then bring an AGM with small market experience to help him out. I would then gracefully retire Mr Cashman.
I would rather almost have anyone instead of Martin, unless he takes a BUC deal.
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“Bingo. I think Martin is one of those though. Low end of the scale, but one of them nonetheless.”
I agree…..they have pretty much boxed themselves into a corner where they are going to have to either give Martin a multi year deal for too long and too much money…..or they are going to have to go into 2013 with ghost man at catcher
Didn’t we have a young prospect at C, the kids name was Montero I think. An average C with great power potential. I guess we thought we’d never need that type of player.
Oh wait, we traded him for a SP with a bad wing, that may or may not be able to come back from his injury. I wonder who’s idea that was?
*below* should say.
By the way, I think this is the longest running thread in Lohud history
martin’s skillz are off the chart.. preternatural instinct, superior intelligence, those soft hands frames the strike zone with the precision of astral physicist. he is also a Canadian to boot which means he excels in the october chills.
Or they are going to have to over pay AJ or Napoli…..AJ is 38 years old and Napoli has caught 80 games only once in his career (and that was 4 years ago)
blake November 20th, 2012 at 10:37 am
They totally misread Martin’s market…..they thought they could get him back for peanuts on a 2 or 3 year deal because he barely hit .200……they forgot how bad the catching position is and how many teams need somebody that can actually catch full time……
There aren’t 30 legit big league caliber starting catchers in baseball right now
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Completely agree.
They also got screwed by Romine missing the entire season. The plan was (I think) to have Romine up at some point last season time sharing with Martin and then have him take over in 2013. With that not happening and the catching market being as dry as a good martini the Yankees are stuck.
Is there any C available as a FA, or on our system that can bat .201? If so, that’s a better option than Martin, period.
blake November 20th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Or they are going to have to over pay AJ or Napoli…..AJ is 38 years old and Napoli has caught 80 games only once in his career (and that was 4 years ago)
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Or they swing a deal with the Nationals for one of their three catchers. I doubt they would deal Ramos, but they’re likely to non-tender Flores and they have Suzuki. Kurt’s not a good offensive player, but then again neither is Martin. If you can trade someone of little consequence for Suzuki, I would rather pay a bad offensive catcher one year at $6.5 than 3 years at $10.
The plan was (I think) to have Romine up at some point last season time sharing with Martin and then have him take over in 2013
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Not sure there’s much evidence to support the idea that Romine is more than part time guy anyway. If the Yankees do sign Martin for multiple years, it would seem to confirm the Yankees think that as well.
blake -
Even if the money were the same, I’d prefer AJ over Martin, dispite his age. I think AJ would take a 2 year deal at $10 per season, or less.
Oh wait, we traded him for a SP with a bad wing, that may or may not be able to come back from his injury. I wonder who’s idea that was?
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Martin hit in bad luck last year, if there was no fielders in baseball, martin probably would have likely posted a ops of 2000 and an average of 600, with some strikeouts of course.
Is there any C available as a FA, or on our system that can bat .201? If so, that’s a better option than Martin, period.
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Yankees interest in retaining Martin would seem to be centered more around defense and pitching staffs comfort level with him than offense, which seems to run a distant 3rd in their priorities.
martin would be a wonderful captain to lead the Yankees to playoff glories for next decade.
Not sure there’s much evidence to support the idea that Romine is more than part time guy anyway.
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I always thought the Yankees hyped up Romine to a level he never truly belonged. Not saying he’s trash or a bum but they always spoke about him as if he was a gem of prospect.
oh yeah i forgot stewy, he is like martin, except not Canadian with slightly less power. a monster tandem in the making really.
Big Al,
They traded him because they needed to raise their healthcare spending to lower taxes.
The Yankees always hype their prospects, because they intend to trade them.
Cashmoney,
The story highlight of next season will be Martin’s chase of the mendoza line.
There are options for catcher, the problem is the Yankees seem to think Martin is the only real option. The problem is, the Yankees’ solution is all too often to simply throw money at the safest option, even if it is overpaying. No creativity, no risk taking.
Good morning Lo Hud diehards:
Like to check in from time to time just to make sure that there are people who still care about the Yankees. Just wish Cashman and the Steins could give you something more interesting to talk about.
On Pettitte: I agree with Chip’s post. How much longer does he really need to decide whether he wants to pitch in 2013 or stay with the family? Is this going to be the topic of conversation when he sits down to Thanksgiving lunch with his family? I hope not as the pull of family life is never greater than at this time of the year.
On Martin: I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The Yankees should not waste what little money they do have to spend on giving this guy an inflated multi-year deal. He’s no Jorge Posada. Okay, so he’s better than Stewart and Cervelli, but not by a big enough margin to warrant a 3 for 30 deal.
JCPD – That’s awesome!! Do you bake and then freeze or do you just freeze the dough to bake them up the day of or the day before??
Compass – That’s great to hear! One year my mom made all of us kids cook Thanksgiving dinner and then vowed that the men would be cooking the following year… somehow they got out of it!
We have between 8-15 people at our place every year.. one of my uncle works with adults with special needs at a local facility and brings some of them over every Thanksgiving because my mom doesn’t believe anyone should be alone for the holidays. So… if tomingeorgia finds himself in NJ and wants to spend time with a bunch of mental impaired individuals AND my uncle’s patients, he’s more than welcome to come by my place!!
There are options for catcher, the problem is the Yankees seem to think Martin is the only real option
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External options? What do you have in mind?
And he speaks french, so it would help a great deal with the huge french fan base. Such a baseball country
a day with martin is like a day with Sinatra, every single is a nation treasure… every walk is to be followed. also, ladies dig Mendoza line, keep it low down and on the hush hush side.. you dig?
I agree…..they have pretty much boxed themselves into a corner where they are going to have to either give Martin a multi year deal for too long and too much money…..or they are going to have to go into 2013 with ghost man at catcher
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I vote for the ghostman!! I really cannot fathom that the Yankees believe Russell Martin is the difference between a playoff contending team and a .500 ball club. ….but I think they’re going to rationalize giving him a deal because he hits 20 HRs and they lost Swish’s production.
I’d much rather them spend more money on the OF and go with Cevi/Stewie/Romine/Some other guy at C.
2012 Yankee Logic: That roster spot was a black hole for most of last season and we still made the playoffs!!! We still one 95 games everyone!!
Let him walk. Far.
luis -
It sickens me every time I think of that trade.
Take a moment to reflect on the needs of this team, and then look at what was traded away, and what we got in return. That, in and of it self should tell you where the problem lies, in the FO.
How about; A-Jax in CF, Montero at C, Kennedy as a #3 or #4 SP
Now think of our needs; an OF bat that is a rising star, yet low cost, a young C that has power potential, and I truly believe Montero would have been a Posada type C, which is not a bad thought, and Ian Kennedy would have given youth and stability to the starting rotation.
Nuf said!
AAA November 20th, 2012 at 11:00 am
There are options for catcher, the problem is the Yankees seem to think Martin is the only real option
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External options? What do you have in mind?
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I would trade for Kurt Suzuki.
He’s not very good – though I don’t think he’s any worse than Martin. The thing is, if you’re going to adhere to a strict budget that you’re already tight against, then you need to make some sacrifices. Suzuki is on a one year deal at $6.5 M plus a buyout for 2014 – is Russ Martin really that much better?
AAA.
AJ or Napoli would be upgrades. But you could go with Romine/Olivo type tandem, the drop wouldn’t be to bad and you save a lot of dough in the process.
I mean, you already know what he brings to the table (not much). Why not either go for the upgrade or if you want to save money, why not go with the cheap option?
shame, reverse psychology does not work here! profess your love for martin, i know you love him. no shame in that game.
AJ or Napoli would be upgrades
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Offensively, sure. Defensively? AJP is a significant downgrade. Napoli is nowhere near as good as AJP.
I would trade for Kurt Suzuki.
He’s not very good – though I don’t think he’s any worse than Martin.
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Yeah, this could make some sense.
Cervelli spent all year sleeping in a car. If you need a guy who will work for peanuts, we already have him!!
And let’s not forget Stewie is still signed for 2013.
Romine is in the system already and I personally don’t believe he’ll be an everyday starter… maybe we can get lucky and catch a little lightning in a bottle if he gets on a hot streak and Cash can actually trade high on someone.
Martin’s iron curtain D behind the plate is something of a legend…it’s like putting federal reserve on top of fort knox and inside of Pentagon… zero chance a ball would get pass that.
Got to go. The mere thought of the Yankees working so hard to bring Martin back has my head spinning, and I’m about to faint, lol.
The fans next season should cheer every player, regardless of how they are performing, but, I’d love to hear chants at every game, Hal sucks! Cashman sucks! Sell the team! Hal sucks! Cashman sucks! Sell the team!
Now think of our needs; an OF bat that is a rising star, yet low cost, a young C that has power potential, and I truly believe Montero would have been a Posada type C, which is not a bad thought, and Ian Kennedy would have given youth and stability to the starting rotation.
Nuf said!
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Montero and Ajax hurt the most being the line-up is old.
AAA November 20th, 2012 at 11:12 am
I would trade for Kurt Suzuki.
He’s not very good – though I don’t think he’s any worse than Martin.
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Yeah, this could make some sense.
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He makes too much money to be a back up for the Nats behind Ramos; hit a little better when he went to Washington and should see a bit of a bump playing in Yankee Stadium. Decent defensive back stop who has obviously done very well handling pitching staffs out in Oakland and Washington.
Offer the Nats a mid to low level guy and I think there could be a deal to be had – maybe someone like Chris Dickerson.
give me Martin or give me death!
anywho, let’s move on from martin and talk about Russell….
@mlbtraderumors: Royals Sign Jeremy Guthrie http://t.co/QUF3TxQc #mlb
3 years for Guthrie…..wow
I bet Hughes wishes he was a FA now
blake November 20th, 2012 at 11:31 am
@mlbtraderumors: Royals Sign Jeremy Guthrie http://t.co/QUF3TxQc #mlb
3 years for Guthrie…..wow
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Insane – tell me again how the Yankees were always to blame for stupid contracts and expanding salaries?
Yankees haven’t made a single signing and we’ve seen a PED user get a 2 year deal at $8m per and now a not very good pitcher getting a 3 year deal.
blake November 20th, 2012 at 11:33 am
I bet Hughes wishes he was a FA now
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As long as he’s healthy this year he’ll get paid – so will Joba.
I anticipate the Royals signing Joba after this season and working to turn him into a starter.
Report is that it’s 50/50 that Wright signs with the mets…..man Id love to rent him for 2013
@mlbtraderumors: Royals Sign Jeremy Guthrie http://t.co/QUF3TxQc #mlb
3 years for Guthrie…..wow
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The Pavano Rule:
If the free agent market is full of mediocrity, teams will overpay for mediocrity.
I anticipate the Royals signing Joba after this season and working to turn him into a starter.
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Yes please
If Hughes stays healthy in 2013 and gets his ERA under 4 I think he will get a minimum of 5/75 as a FA
I think Joba will really have to have a good 2013 before anybody will give him more than one year as a FA
If Hughes stays healthy in 2013 and gets his ERA under 4 I think he will get a minimum of 5/75 as a FA
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And people will be laughing at that deal.
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Speaking of Pavano – I completely anticipate the Yankees signing him to the Freddy Garcia role.
Chip November 20th, 2012 at 11:33 am
blake November 20th, 2012 at 11:31 am
@mlbtraderumors: Royals Sign Jeremy Guthrie http://t.co/QUF3TxQc #mlb
3 years for Guthrie…..wow
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Insane – tell me again how the Yankees were always to blame for stupid contracts and expanding salaries?
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I know what you mean, Chip.. they were really never responsible for this. (And I know that’s not how you meant it, I’m just thinking out-loud here..)
Players’ salaries don’t trend downward because profits don’t trend downward. People that think Cano will somehow enter a market where someone will be scared to give him $200 because of the Arod or Pujols contracts are kidding themselves.
I wanted them to lock up Hughes this off season for a $7-9 million AAV….. if they don’t, he’ll make a lot more. You just know he’ll deliver an 18 win season or something and everyone will be all like ‘he has a 4.5 ERA put pitches in the AL EAST!!!!!!’ so he’ll make bank.
I’m starting to think our only hope is having one or both of them get injured this year so we can afford to sign them lol!
@Royals_Report: Terms on Guthrie’s new contract with #Royals: three years for $25 million; $5 million in 2013; $11 million in 2014; $9 million in 2015.
I wanna see what the AAV on that 3-year pact is…..
@Royals_Report
Terms on Guthrie’s new contract with #Royals: three years for $25 million; $5 million in 2013; $11 million in 2014; $9 million in 2015.
A signing such as this makes the Yankees position even more untenable.
“And people will be laughing at that deal.”
Doesn’t matter ….Hughes can laugh to the bank
Guthrie is worth a $8.34 AAV…….That is the world we live in now.
Martin will make more money than that lol….
Hughes, if he delivers another solid season, will surpass that.
austinmac November 20th, 2012 at 11:45 am
A signing such as this makes the Yankees position even more untenable.
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I’m waiting for Napoli to sign and set the market… remember last year when we were all like ‘OMG, Martin is so dumb holding out for a 5/$75 deal like Molina!!!! What a fool!!’
No.
Joke is on us lol.
He won’t make that much, but he’s getting more than we can afford. And when Russell Martin is taking you to the bank….. you might as well just tap the eff out.
Doesn’t matter ….Hughes can laugh to the bank
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Probably. Hasn’t pitched closed to the level of a $15M per year pitcher at any point in his career, but he might be able to get it.
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Of all the Steinbrenner kids, Jennifer is more into owning #Yankees than anyone else. I think she will always have a stake in the team.
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Jennifer needs to let her voice be heard!!! We don’t yet know how cheap she is…
That being said… I’d really like a woman owner
Can call her The Boss-Lady.
If KC wants to show they are serious then trade for James Shields
“Probably. Hasn’t pitched closed to the level of a $15M per year pitcher at any point in his career, but he might be able to get it.”
If he stays healthy next year and gets his ERA under 4 …..then he will likely have three 15+ win seasons and a career era around 4 under his belt at age 27…..I think somebody would over pay for that.
blake November 20th, 2012 at 11:44 am
@Royals_Report: Terms on Guthrie’s new contract with #Royals: three years for $25 million; $5 million in 2013; $11 million in 2014; $9 million in 2015.
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Awful.
Hughes will be what – 27? He’ll easily get a 4 year deal at $13 M/season.
The Royals have to overpay for players to come to them (Guthrie), or trade for them where they have no choice (Santana).
That’s not a terrible deal for Guthrie if he’s your #4 starter…… If the Royals go get a real front line guy now then fine…… If they think Santana and Guthrie alone make them much better though then….. Lol
Now that Fox basically owns YES I hope we get the games called by Stewie & Brian Griffin next season.
Considering the team Cashman is putting together, that might be the only reason to watch.
Err, I mean be thankful we even have a team to root for!
The Yankees have little power in any Martin negotiation. Folks, Stewart and the rest are back ups and not good ones. Martin did hit into a lot of bad luck. I see his flaws, but he is nearly a must sign unless they go Napoli. He will cost just as much.
2013 is going to be bad, but wait until we can’t sign Granderson, Cano, Hughes and Joba for 2014. I still don’t see any plan other than let’s try to fake winning this year and keep all our players and amass draft picks when they leave, as they almost certainly will. Stupid plan.
Criticize Guthrie all you want, but if Kuroda and Pettitte don’t return he would have been far better than the alternatives for one year. Would he have been our no.2?
austinmac says:
November 20, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Criticize Guthrie all you want, but if Kuroda and Pettitte don’t return he would have been far better than the alternatives for one year. Would he have been our no.2?
He costs too much
blake November 20th, 2012 at 9:56 am
@TylerKepner: Gibbons: “I was with Melky in KC. He was a good hitter, just a flat-out good hitter. He really started coming into his own over there.”
Really? I thought he was a 4th outfielder without the juice?
blake November 20th, 2012 at 9:58 am
It’s gonna really suck if Melky hits .300, 15 , 80 next year while playing good outfield defense……
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I don’t know what’s wrong with the Yankees, but yeah, the kid is a flat-out good hitter, and he was going to eventually back that up, and if anyone bothered to pay attention, he was upping the ante in 2009, when he nearly hit .300 w/RISP for us and started to drive the ball and touch some power from the right side of the plate.
I’m always amused at the ” well, we had to get rid of him; he was never going to be anything more than a 4th OF for the Yankees “. Except he was the starting CF on a championship team, who was only 25 at the time. It’s always the same old ‘out’ and song and dance rationalizations for these FO guys; let our good players go elsewhere and be good: Melky was “poison” to Cano, “tumor you just had to get out”… AJax was “a K machine who was never going to walk enough or hit for average or slug at all”, Montero was an extra left shoe who had no “real position”…
yeah, right. Keep trading away all the special young bats, let them flourish elsewhere, and keep slobbering all over Cashman and giving him extra outs for his abysmal self scouting…
Oops! Did it again! I can’t really discuss these young guys we dump without going off the rails. Sorry.