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Beware of the Blue Jays

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Nov 21, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Blue Jays have been loading up for a serious run, bringing in Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson and Mark Buehrle, among others, from Miami and signing Melky Cabrera. They just hired John Gibbons for a managing sequel. Between the Jays, the Orioles and the Rays (and the Red Sox will presumably be more competitive), it should make for a great division race with the Yankees.

I asked Brian Cashman Tuesday night about the Blue Jays’ offseason and the impact on the Yankees.

“Toronto has done a lot,” Cashman said. “They’ve been very aggressive. I’ve been obviously associated with the Yankees since ’86, so I know the sleeping giant that exists up there. It’s a great baseball town. They’ve had a huge amount of success in the past. They’re fighting from the development standpoint, from the trade standpoint, from the free-agent standpoint, to get back to that. And they’ve been doing it for quite some time.

“Last year wasn’t a true reflection of how good they could have been because they got derailed with injuries and unexpected underperformance. That happens in the sport of baseball. So last year they were better than what they showed on the field, and I think their additions are certainly going to serve them extremely well.

“They’ve been on the map as far as we’ve been concerned. They’ve been one of the best teams in the game in the first half of every season the last few years. The second half, things have gone different for them. …

“It’s just more competition. It’s not surprising. You tip your cap to them. We recognize what’s going on up there. But it doesn’t change how we go about our business. We feel we know what we need to do and we’re going to try to execute it, just like they’re trying to do the same.”

I think the kings of fourth place are going to be formidable throughout for a change, if they stay healthy.  Like that Blue Jays lineup. The Yankees will surely do a few more things this offseason. Do you think they ultimately should fear Toronto?

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230 Responses to “Beware of the Blue Jays”

  1. PacoDooley November 21st, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Post this at the end of the last thread after this new one was started, so sorry if this is a repeat:

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    mick November 21st, 2012 at 2:53 pm
    Kuroda is a breath of fresh air.
    I don’t know if it’s his culture but what American born player would leave money on the table?
    ——————————–

    Not to be too harsh, but this is just an idiotic statement. Lots of American and Latin players have left money on the table. A-Rod tried to leave a lot of money on the table to go to Boston and the trade was nixed because of the money he was giving up.

    Jered Weaver could have gotten a lot more money if he wanted to test the market and possibly leave the Angels. At the time he basically said “I like it here and am already getting paid more money than I will ever need”.

    We could find an endless line of stories like this.

  2. The Return of Stoneburner November 21st, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner November 21st, 2012 at 5:12 pm
    You just rattled off 12 names but that doesn’t mean the entire league is better. And 10 years ago you had T-Mac, Kobe, Duncan, Dirk, Pierce, Wallace, Gasol as ROY, Iverson, Shaq, Brand, nash, & Garnett.

    **********

    First – Nash was not Nash yet. I could have added Westbrook and others – the NBA was not that great league wise in the early 00s – it was Kobe Shaq with Tim Duncan showing up and the surprise Pistons one year – there is greater depth of talent – especially with one and dones coming to the league quicker than 10 years ago where the players usually had 2-3 year and sometimes 4 (see Duncan) coming into the league at a greater rate and earlier in their careers. I mean you have interesting teams in Milwaukee with Jennings and Ellis – and even in Golden State with Curry when healthy – or Sacramento with Evans and could have been if Cousins grows up (maybe like Randolph) – and then even your underperforming teams have a wealth of talent – Just look at the Pacers – man – with Paul George and company – or if Philly rebounds if Bynum comes back healthy in January (and does not play anymore bowling!) with the young PG Jrue Holiday. And then James Harden – – – -just a really interesting league – especially with different NBA champions the past two seasons and the Heat are not necessarily a lock to repeat – – – -

  3. The Return of Stoneburner November 21st, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Against All Odds November 21st, 2012 at 5:07 pm
    The skill level is better than it was 10 years ago – w/ guys like James, Durant, Griffin, Anthony, Paul, Wade, Rose, Williams, Howard, Horford, Davis, Randolph – it is great what has happened – there is more talent now than in the past

    ————————-

    Forgot about players like Love, Aldridge, Harden,

    That’s not even counting a guy like Kyrie Irving who will be the best pg in the league in about 3 yrs.

    ********

    Very true – - – -

  4. mick November 21st, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    Paco- how do you know who has left money on the table?
    It is certainly not the norm.

  5. Jerkface November 21st, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    First – Nash was not Nash yet

    And some of the players you mentioned are not anything yet, like Davis. Nash was well on his way to being Nash in 2002. You seem to be more caught up in the distribution of top talent rather than the overall talent of the league. You’re talking mostly just about different teams being able to win, that isn’t the point. You can have a lot of talent but if the distribution of it is a certain way you can end up with dynasties. If you have poor talent and a wide distribution of the good talent you end up with ‘parity’.

  6. jacksquat November 21st, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    I want to know where these tables are with all this money on them.

  7. blake November 21st, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    Jays could be very good if everything breaks right….but they have a lot of injury risk and they need Romero to bounce back

  8. avirex34 November 21st, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    Pullllleassse, the jays? You don’t win titles in the winter, yanks aren’t scared of anyone, they only beat themselves.

  9. kd November 21st, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    the jays pounced at the right time. boston, at this moment, is a lot weaker that in previous years and the yankees are an aging team. they’re onto something, but they took on a lot of salary for a lot of years. from the outside, it’s an all or nothing move

  10. Duh Innings II November 21st, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    I don’t think the Yanks should fear the Blue Jays.

    Bautista, Encarnacion, Reyes, and Cabrera are fine hitters, but they still won’t have as good an 1 to 9 offense as the Yanks who will shore up their offense by spring training.

    I believe the Yanks will get back Mo and Andy and when they do their pitching will be better than the Blue Jays. I will take Sabathia and Kuroda over Johnson and Buerhle, Rivera and Robertson over whoever the Blue Jays 1-2 bullpen punch is any day of the week. Despite Reyes being a younger, better defensive shortstop than Jeter, I will still take Jeter over him any day of the week cuz Jeter has an intangible I don’t see in Reyes although Reyes is still young enough to have one.

    85 wins tops for the 2013 Blue Jays – close but not enough to win a wildcard slot and certainly not enough to win the division. I just don’t see this team going from 73 wins to 90-95 on the acquisition of four players albeit fine ones, although who knows how Johnson will do against AL offenses, Buerhle will do back in the AL, and Cabrera will do post-PED bust and he will miss the first x amount of 2013 games due to his suspension, no?

    I could see them being a postseason and division title contender in 2014 if everyone maintains their performances, but wait…isn’t Josh Johnson a free agent after 2013? Will the Blue Jays have the money or if they have it spend it to keep him, especially if he turns in a 2008 AJ Burnett-like 2013 for them? I don’t see it. They got burned with locking up Vernon Wells then Alex Rios.

  11. The Return of Stoneburner November 21st, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    Nash was well on his way to being Nash in 2002. You seem to be more caught up in the distribution of top talent rather than the overall talent of the league.

    *******

    Nash became Nash when he went to Phoenix – that happened after 2002.

    Davis is a beast – and already producing when healthy

    The league is much deeper with talent than it was 10 years ago – hence the overall talent of the league – and talent that can challenge – is greater today than yesterday. Case in point – Super Teams are occurring and there is still depth league wide – - – -

  12. Against All Odds November 21st, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    The league is much deeper with talent than it was 10 years ago – hence the overall talent of the league – and talent that can challenge – is greater today than yesterday. Case in point – Super Teams are occurring and there is still depth league wide – – – -

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    Look how many one man teams there were back then Mcgrady, Iverson, Garnett, etc. That’s not even counting bad teams like the Cavs, Knicks, Bulls, GS, Memphis and

  13. djsunyc November 21st, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    there is no depth league wide. there are about 4 legitimate teams and a bunch of fodder.

  14. Against All Odds November 21st, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    djsunyc November 21st, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    there is no depth league wide. there are about 4 legitimate teams and a bunch of fodder.

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    There are four or five stacked teams but I wouldn’t call the rest of the league fodder. And if it’s fodder now then what was it 10 yrs ago?

  15. blake November 21st, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    Hey what if Edwin Jackson will do another one year deal? Anybody interested?

  16. PacoDooley November 21st, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    mick November 21st, 2012 at 5:17 pm
    Paco- how do you know who has left money on the table?
    It is certainly not the norm.
    ———————————–

    How do we know Kuroda did? Same reason as with Weaver. At least with regard to A-Rod’s willingness that is a documented case.

    But my point is that this sort of cultural generality is simply not a truism. I’m sure there have been a lot of US and Latin American players that have also left money on the table. Players often make lifestyle choices that are not necessarily completely aligned with the maximization of salary.

  17. Barry November 21st, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    Using the word “fear” is wrong headed. These are major league athletes. Minor league athlete, with talent, may know fear. Not established people. I know that word was not intended for a literal interpretation, but it is a terrible and useless word in this context.

  18. ron November 21st, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    We feared the rs this year,and not the orioles,plus the giants won two out of 3 years,and the cardinals once with what was said enemic offenses.
    One or two hot bats with good pitching at the right time,and they won the ws.
    Baseball is a funny game,and every time you try to predict it,you get burned.

    Hughes,and nova can turn into aces,and they run away with the division with a less productive arod,but it’s enough.

    You just don’t know.

    Enjoy the ride,and root for your team.
    That is exactly what i did the one year when the yankees were 14.5 games behind the rs but won it all.
    Man, a lot of people here would of called for mass executions.

  19. Against All Odds November 21st, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    blake November 21st, 2012 at 6:59 pm
    Hey what if Edwin Jackson will do another one year deal? Anybody interested?

    —————-

    How was he last yr?

  20. raymagnetic November 21st, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    “Do you think they ultimately should fear Toronto?”

    No. Too many other teams they have to fear beforehand. The Blue Jays are in a long line of teams the Yanks should be fearful of. :-/

  21. blake November 21st, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    “How was he last yr?”

    Not bad…..4.03 ERA, 1.2 WHIP, 189 innings, 160+ Ks

  22. blake November 21st, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    I’m sure EJax wasn’t a multi year deal but if he’d do another one year then he’d be a great back end guy assuming the Yanks traded one of their other starters

  23. Against All Odds November 21st, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Yea he wouldn’t be bad if they decided to move a Phelps or Nova in a deal

  24. blake November 21st, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    @Buster_ESPN: Bryan LaHair’s agreement with SoftBank Hawks is for $4 million over two years; the Cubs got $950,000 in sale price.

    This thing is weird

  25. blake November 21st, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    @susanslusser: I’m told it’s two years, $10 million for Gomes, about twice what #Athletics offered in Sept.

    If Gomes gets 2/10 then what does Ross get?

  26. blake November 21st, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    The Red Sox are basically doubling other teams offers for back up catchers and RH platoon hitters

  27. The Return of Stoneburner November 21st, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Do you trade for Jason Kubel? Could he increase his 30 HRs hitting in YS with his left handed stroke? Remember – Kubel is one of the few to hit a grand slam off of Mo – - – - -

    2013 offense

    Catchers: Napoli, Olivo

    Infielders: Teixeira, Cano, Jeter, ARod, Drew, Nunez

    Outfielders: Gardner, Granderson, Kubel, Hairston, Ibanez

    Vs. RHP

    Jeter SS, Gardner LF, Cano 2B, Teixeira 1B, Granderson CF, Kubel RF, Ibanez DH, Olivo C, Drew 3B

    Vs. LHP

    Jeter SS, Hairston RF, Cano 2B, ARod 3B, Teixeira 1b, Napoli C, Granderson CF, Nunez DH, Gardner LF

  28. The Return of Stoneburner November 21st, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    Why is he gone? RT @JosephDelGrippo Since Hughes is likely gone after next year, NYY need both Phelps & Nova in rotation in 2013.

  29. blake November 21st, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    “Do you trade for Jason Kubel”

    For who? I mean yea he’s another guy that hits RHP pretty well but really doesn’t hit lefties much……you’d want a RH bat to with him Id think….Kubel/Ross would be ok…..but you gotta trade for Kubel and they probably can’t get Ross on a contract they’ll pay

  30. The Return of Stoneburner November 21st, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    blake November 21st, 2012 at 8:57 pm
    “Do you trade for Jason Kubel”

    For who? I mean yea he’s another guy that hits RHP pretty well but really doesn’t hit lefties much……you’d want a RH bat to with him Id think….Kubel/Ross would be ok…..but you gotta trade for Kubel and they probably can’t get Ross on a contract they’ll pay

    ******

    I am good with Hairston – will come cheaper than Ross – - – -

  31. blake November 21st, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    I’d rather trade for Choo than Kubel unless Kubel was significantly cheaper

  32. The Return of Stoneburner November 21st, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Interesting name(s) on mlbtraderumors past two days – Span – he hits better against lefties than righties last year – he is lefty – can play center or left – hit i believe 38 doubles

    another one was Fowler – but his home/road splits worry me – switch hitter though – - – - -

  33. blake November 21st, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    Hairston is ok..,,but he just really doesn’t get on base much….does hit for some power thpugh

  34. The Return of Stoneburner November 21st, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    blake November 21st, 2012 at 9:04 pm
    I’d rather trade for Choo than Kubel unless Kubel was significantly cheaper

    *******

    Not sure what it would take for Kubel. He is signed for 7.5 million next year. There is a team option for 2014 for 7.5 million – - – -

  35. blake November 21st, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Span is pretty redundant with Gardner…..plus the twins are tough to trade with

  36. The Return of Stoneburner November 21st, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    blake November 21st, 2012 at 9:06 pm
    Span is pretty redundant with Gardner…..plus the twins are tough to trade with

    ******

    I think Span is a better hitter – better splits with righties/lefties – 38 doubles last year – only big difference is the steals – Gardner steals much better – Span I have more comfortability with hitting the ball – - – -

  37. The Return of Stoneburner November 21st, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Span I aso believe is younger than Gardner – - – -

  38. blake November 21st, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    You also have to trade for Span and he will cost more than he’s worth

  39. The Return of Stoneburner November 21st, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    blake November 21st, 2012 at 9:11 pm
    You also have to trade for Span and he will cost more than he’s worth

    ******

    probably – i leave those details to the suits in the front office

  40. tucker November 21st, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    Gomes is not a bad pickup for the Sox. He will do well with the Monster, and he is much cheaper than Ross. Still, not much of a defender

  41. saucY November 21st, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Gibbons and Reyes are going to be BFFs for sure!

  42. tucker November 21st, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Gomes has that Hinske good-luck charm thing going for him. Won with the Rays, the Reds and then the A’s. But the luck runs out this year with the Sox …

  43. Pat M. November 21st, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    An awful lot of folks here talking about moving Hughes and or Nova…….Keep in mind The Yanks are going to spend over 30 million for a 38 and 41 year old starter and hope they can give them 1 more season……..I see Hughes and Nova winning as many if not more in 2013 at a fraction of the cost…….Hang on to your young arms because they’re very hard to replace………Regardless of what many here proclaim, you have no chance without pitching in my old school view of the game, because good pitching keeps you in the game…….Just go back to the Henderson, Mattingly, Winfield Yanks……..

  44. The Return of Stoneburner November 21st, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Pat M. November 21st, 2012 at 9:40 pm
    An awful lot of folks here talking about moving Hughes and or Nova…….Keep in mind The Yanks are going to spend over 30 million for a 38 and 41 year old starter and hope they can give them 1 more season……..I see Hughes and Nova winning as many if not more in 2013 at a fraction of the cost…….Hang on to your young arms because they’re very hard to replace………Regardless of what many here proclaim, you have no chance without pitching in my old school view of the game, because good pitching keeps you in the game…….Just go back to the Henderson, Mattingly, Winfield Yanks……..

    *******

    While I generally agree – I also worry about Hughes’s contract and how that factors into 2014.

  45. tomingeorgia November 21st, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Pat M.,
    Good to see you, and good points. Happy Thanksgiving to you.

  46. The Return of Stoneburner November 21st, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    ——meant “future/next contract” – - – - – -

  47. tucker November 21st, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    The Yanks have invested so much time in Hughes, it would be nice if they can hold onto him. But with the likes of Guthrie securing 3 years/$25 million, youn wonder how much Hughes will cost. If he puts up a strong 2013, he’ll be expensive,mand I don’t see him giving the Yanks a hometown discount.

  48. blake November 21st, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    I’d like to keep Hughes if possible….I don’t know what he’d ask to extend now but they should be talking to him about it…..Id only trade Nova or Phelps in a deal for the type hitter they need……

    As I’ve said….I do think 2013 may be their best shot to win a title for a couple of years so if they can push a little to go for it now they should so long as it doesn’t compromise the long term too much.

  49. blake November 21st, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    If offer Hughes a little more than Guthrie got…..maybe go 4/32

  50. tucker November 21st, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Or they could offer a 3-year, $25 million extension now. That would take down his AAV if 2013 was his normal arb salary.

  51. Pat M. November 21st, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    As4 /32 is what the Yanks will be paying for Kuroda and Pettite for this season…..Hughes has turned the corner and is going to be a 17 game winner type pitcher for the next 7 years or so…….tommyingeorgia, the same to you my friend !!!!!

  52. blake November 21st, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    If Hughes has a good 2013 he’s gonna command a pretty big contract as a FA at his age with extensive AL east experience….probably 5 years…..given that Kuroda and Andy probably won’t pitch beyond 2013 and that they won’t be able to pay Hughes if he reaches free agency…..They should probably at least see if he’d be open to a team friendly extension.

  53. LGY November 21st, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Maybe the reason Hughes keeps ending up back in the same place is because he’s turned a corner so many times.

  54. tucker November 21st, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    I think it would be smart for the Yanks to talk extension now with Hughes before waiting for FA. At least they will get an idea of his demands should they be unable to reach an agreement.

    Lot riding on this season for Hughes, Cano and Grandy.

  55. Pat M. November 21st, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    LGY…..Touch them all , great line !!!!

  56. blake November 21st, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    “Maybe the reason Hughes keeps ending up back in the same place is because he’s turned a corner so many times.”

    The two seasons he’s been healthy he’s won 18 and 16 games with a 4ish Era and 1.2 WHIP……even if that’s what he is that’s still valuable….and I still think he’s got some room to grow…..

  57. blake November 21st, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    “Lot riding on this season for Hughes, Cano and Grandy.”

    Yea….I think Hughes has the most to gain and lose though…..

    cano just has to put up another Cano year and avoid injury and he will get paid big time…..Granderson to a lesser extent but the same thing…..hit 40 bombs again and somebody will pay him…..

    Hughes could go either way…..if he comes out and repeats his 2012 or improves upon it then he seriously could get a 5 year deal at anywhere from 10-15 million per……but if he gets hurt or regresses then he will get nowhere close to that and may even have to do a one year or short term contract……big big year for Hughes unless the Yanks do extend him (which I’m not expecting)

  58. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Blake & Pat M-

    Headley for Hughes. Both benefit from trade in new ballparks!

    Have a great holiday everyone with your families

  59. tucker November 21st, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Agree on that Blake. Cano will get paid. Grandy needs to improve a bit from last year. Needs t higher average, fewer Ks. Think a lot of teams will view him as a corner outfielder over his next contract, so that is slightly less valuable than a CFer …

    Hughes, for one, needs this year to prove he is durable. Then he needs to prove he is effective for consecutive years as a starter. (4ish ERA, 200 IP). If he does that, he could be looking at 5 years, $60 million-plus.

  60. MTU November 21st, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Wishing you all a joyous and healthy Thanksgiving.

    :)

  61. Against All Odds November 21st, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Same to you MTU

  62. The Return of Stoneburner November 21st, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    enjoy Thanksgiving everyone – - – - -

  63. Against All Odds November 21st, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Happy thanksgiving to u stone

  64. The Return of Stoneburner November 21st, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Against All Odds November 21st, 2012 at 11:09 pm
    Happy thanksgiving to u stone

    *****

    Thanks – and enjoy the leftovers on Friday – - – -

  65. jacksquat November 21st, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    Happy Yanksgiving.

  66. jacksquat November 22nd, 2012 at 1:05 am

    Nick Swisher apologized for his late-season comments about the fans at Yankee Stadium:
    “It was a bad time and the end of the season was hard for all of us. If I offended anybody with what I said, I apologize. I didn’t mean it; Yankees fans are the greatest in the world. When you speak from the heart, sometimes it comes out wrong. Sometimes you’re human and that stuff gets to you, but I certainly didn’t want to offend anybody. There’s no better place to play than Yankee Stadium in front of that New York fan base.

    “I love those fans as much today as I have since the day I got to New York. They’re the best in baseball.”

    http://t.co/6ZuCBxyS

    Awww, bro hug.

  67. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 7:53 am

    Happy thanksgiving all.. What a great day. I’m thankful for so much in my life.

  68. ron November 22nd, 2012 at 7:55 am

    The Yankees officially announced an agreement that allows News Corp. to acquire a 49% stake (which could reportedly grow to 80%) in the YES Network from investors like Goldman Sachs, NJ Holdings, and Providence Equity yesterday. The deal is still pending MLB approval and is expected to close by the end of the calendar year. The sale price indicates that the network is worth approximately $3 billion right now, meaning it’s likely more valuable than the team itself. Here’s more on the transaction courtesy of Darren Rovell, Andy Fixmer, and Scott Soshnick…
    •The Yankees will sell 9% of their stake in YES, lowering their share to 25% and earning the club a whopping $270M. The team might also receive a $400-500M payment separate from the rights agreement, so think of it like a signing bonus.
    •As part of the transaction, the Yankees have extended their agreement with YES to ensure the network will broadcast games through 2042. YES currently pays the team $85M annually for broadcast rights, but escalators will push that to $350M annually (!) by the end of the new agreement.
    •Goldman, NJ Holdings, and Providence will retain some stake in YES but will have the option to sell the remainder to the Yankees and News Corp. in four years for a portion of the predetermined market value of $3.8 billion. That’s what everyone expects the network to be worth in 2016.
    •Although there has been speculation (including by me) this deal with News Corp. is an indication the Steinbrenner family will look to sell the team down the line, the reporting trio all say this move puts them in better position to hold on to the club long-term.
    •Brian Heyman has official statements from Hal Steinbrenner and others, so check that out if you’re interested.

  69. yankee21 November 22nd, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Happy thanksgiving. It is a great day and there is a lot to be thankful for.

  70. austinmac November 22nd, 2012 at 7:58 am

    Happy Thanksgiving to all. May we all remember what we have in our lives and how fortunate we are.

  71. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 8:00 am

    All the love on the air this morning…..where is mtU

  72. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2012 at 8:15 am

    where is mtU
    ————

    MTU is out hunting for a turkey, but I’m here! Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

    Blake-

    See where you all were deciding whether the Yankees should get Hughes signed to an extension.

    How about sending fly ball Hughes to Petco and his hometown for switch hitting Headley to YS?

  73. yankee21 November 22nd, 2012 at 8:23 am

    How about sending fly ball Hughes to Petco and his hometown for switch hitting Headley to YS?..

    YT,,, I’m in the camp that believes Hughes will have a good 2013 but is not going to want to extend and not sure NYY even approaches him on it. Odds he will be a FA are high,, if you are NY you have to try to move him as part of a package for a young impact bat, even if it hurts in 2013 because likely the only thing you’ll be holding a year from now is a draft pick.

    I believe SD would have interest in him and have a fiar shot at re-signing him in Free agency.

  74. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Actually Phil Hughes was born in Mission Viejo which is halfway between San Diego and LA. Might have to give the Padres back a minor league 3rd baseman.

  75. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 8:26 am

    “How about sending fly ball Hughes to Petco and his hometown for switch hitting Headley to YS?”

    Yea….I forgot MTU is basically a cross between a pilgrim and a hippie :). He’s probably out hunting dinner right now.

    I don’t think Hughes would be enough for Headley…..the Padres would probably like Hughes as a piece….but they’d likely have to include a couple of premium prospects with him ImO

  76. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 8:30 am

    “if you are NY you have to try to move him as part of a package for a young impact bat, even if it hurts in 2013 because likely the only thing you’ll be holding a year from now is a draft pick.”

    If he won’t talk extension at a number you’re comfortable with and you do think he will leave after 2013 then yea…..

    but I have no way of knowing that’s true and the other issue is that the Yankees really need to go for it in 2013 IMO…..it’s not going to get any easier to win in 2014 and likely will get significantly harder….

    Id trade Hughes in a deal for the right bat…..but if something good and controllable isn’t coming back then Im keeping him and trying to win this year or trying to extend him……

    Hughes has the potential to get big money after 2013 if he stays healthy and performs…..but if he doesn’t then he may not get much at all as a FA…..perhaps if the yanks offered him a team friendly 4 year deal he’d take it for the security…..he’d still reach free agency agency again at 30

  77. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2012 at 8:32 am

    Hughes-

    2012: 22 of the 35 homers allowed came in YS.
    2010 thru 2012: 48 of 69 homers in YS.

    Interestingly his home ERA last season was 3.74; away 4.76 and 11 of the 16 games won were at home.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....hil-hughes

  78. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 8:33 am

    If they could put Hughes in a package for Headley or Upton or Gordon etc…. Then Those are the type bats id move him for …..but I have no clue if anything like that is possible

  79. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Blake-

    Headley is controlled until 2015

  80. ron November 22nd, 2012 at 8:40 am

    This is why hughes should be extended.
    He is 26 years old,so a 4,or 5 year/32-45 million dollar contract should do it.
    He will be 31-32 yrs old,and can still get another contract in 5 years.
    When players are unsure of their value,and they get a raise from 3.2 to 8-10,they are more likely to take it.
    The yankees have to get smarter in that area,instead of being stubborn.

    Now if he plays hardball,then you trade him for nice bat.

  81. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Guys!!! My parents are making me cook the turkey at my apt because they only realized yesterday that they don’t have room in their oven.

    It’s in there now… I keep walking by it like and expectant father in a maternity ward.

    I’m not sure this was the greatest decision.

  82. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 8:41 am

    “Headley is controlled until 2015″

    Not through 2015 though…..he’s got two more years of control…..is a FA after the 2014 season.

    The Padres really should probably deal him if they can’t sign him because his value will never be higher than it is right now……2 full years of a guy coming off an RBI title……his value really can’t go anywhere but down

  83. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Hughes has the potential to get big money after 2013 if he stays healthy and performs…..but if he doesn’t then he may not get much at all as a FA…..perhaps if the yanks offered him a team friendly 4 year deal he’d take it for the security…..he’d still reach free agency agency again at 30

    ——————

    Let’s do it.

  84. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 8:44 am

    Shame,

    Fry it and it’ll be done in 40 minutes :)

  85. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 8:46 am

    blake – I tried to get my dad on board with that plan but he wasn’t having it lol. Our house went on fire almost exactly one year ago (which is how we lost our grill, which we normally cook the turkey in) and he’s vowed to not set it on fire again for at least another 2 years.

    My mom wrapped the whole thing in bacon because she doesn’t trust me to baste it. Smart lady, that Mommy Shame.

    Next year I’m ordering a turducken. And a cherpumple.

  86. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 8:48 am

    I gotta sit here for like… 4 hours. I do not like this ‘cooking’ thing.

    I do love Thanksgiving though, so everyone have a good one!!! Be thankful for real things!

    I’m not particularly thankful for the existence of the NY Yankees but I sure am thankful I have a place to come to hear some good and bad baseball talk on the regular :D

  87. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 8:49 am

    “which we normally cook the turkey in) and he’s vowed to not set it on fire again for at least another 2 years.”

    They make electric ones so there is no flame to blow up…..it’s blow up proof! But I have to say Turkey wrapped in bacon sounds good too….bacon makes everything better

  88. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Have to go and wake the kids up for the Macy’s Day parade.

    Shame-

    Just chop the turkey in half! :)

    Everyone have a wonderful day.

    Hopefully when Blake goes to the Winter meetings in Nashville, we’ll have more reasons to be thankful that we’re all Yankee fans.

    Cashman -You need to bring home the “bacon” for Team Greedy!

  89. MTU November 22nd, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Blake-

    Happy Turkey day Pilgrims and Pigrimettes.

    So Blake, Does that make me a “Pippie, or a Hipgrim” ?

    I’m in a quandry.

    :(

  90. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Electric ones?! I did NOT know this. Man I wish I would have mentioned this whole turkey thing on here a while back. ….well, I know what we’re doing for Christmas.

    Thanks blake, my dad is gonna be really happy I found this new bit of info. :lol:

    Trader – I’m afraid if I do anything to alter it’s appearance my parents might know. Just a gut feeling ;)

  91. MTU November 22nd, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Shame-

    In your case I believe that would be expectant Mother.

    ;)

  92. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Serving up Kuroda before Thanksgiving was great. My hope is they get Andy and Mo settled in the next two weeks and start to tweak the rest of the roster from there.

    Maybe a trade will be in the works but you guys already know how I feel about what they’re doing.. I think they make minor adjustments and see if they can make a splash at the deadline if need be. I know it doesn’t follow their pattern in the last couple of years but this year, given the plan for the next couple of seasons, I could see it being their approach.

  93. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 9:01 am

    MTU – Well… If I was the mom, I’d know what was going on. Theoretically.

    Right now I definitely feel like the dad….. who is anxious and thoroughly confused about the process lol.

  94. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 9:03 am

    “So Blake, Does that make me a “Pippie, or a Hipgrim” ?

    Hey I guess whichever you prefer ;). Happy thanksgiving

  95. MTU November 22nd, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Shame-

    I’m going non-traditional this year.

    We are having BBQ’ed steak.

    Poor us.

    :(

  96. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Shame,

    It’s made by mastercraft and butterball…..uses oil but has an electric eye in the bottom of it that heats the oil instead of a flame…..you can do it inside as well which is nice when it’s cold…..I usually cook Uhm in the garage though cause of the smell etc

  97. MTU November 22nd, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Blake-

    I’ll go with “Hipgrim”. Just sounds better.

    Hug those boys to death but be careful not to injure their throwing arms.

    We’re gonna need them.

    Report back when you’re set up in Nashville.

    :)

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    MTu,

    Do my best ;)

  100. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 9:09 am

    BBQ’ed steak still sounds pretty good to me!! I want more red meat on Thanksgiving but my mom dictates that’s a Christmas thing and for Thanksgiving it’s strictly turkey and ham. Since she cooks, we allow her to make decisions… grudgingly.

    blake – Thanks for the info I’m looking into it now! My dad is gonna be thrilled :lol:

  101. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Swisher’s comments yesterday were interesting….I’ve read he’s take a discount to come back…. Wonder how much of one

  102. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Ahh.. I’m seeing a bit of a snag already.. this thing only fries a max 16 lbs. turkey.

    The one I’m cooking now is 29 lbs lol.

    Hmmm… maybe we can just make two…. I could marinate them differently… hmmmm..

  103. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2012 at 9:11 am

    happy thanksgiving all!

  104. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Shame,

    I love mine……it does work pretty well…..the turkeys don’t get quite as crisp as with a flame because the oil doesn’t get as hot as quick but it’s a lot easier and a lot safer

  105. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 9:12 am

    I had only just seen Swish’s comments this morning because yesterday I figured I should actually do work at work. Change things up a bit.

    But I have a hard time knowing what to make of them… not sure if he really wants to stay to win or if he’s trying to get the Yankees back involved to raise his value. Either way, he has a lot of suitors. I could see at least 6-7 teams having serious interest.

  106. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Shame,

    Their is a bigger one I think that cooks a 21 I believe…..but yea you can’t cook one that big…..you’d have to make two if you need a bird that size

  107. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 9:14 am

    If Swisher would do a 3 year deal to come back then Id bring him back ….

  108. MTU November 22nd, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Holy Mackrel Shame. 29 lbs.

    Did you invite all of Italy ?

    That would feed us for a month.

    :)

  109. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Happy Thanksgiving Cash!

    I need a fryer like that for more than just a turkey… I love frying things. Snickers bars, pb&j sandwiches, and my personal favorite – bacon wrapped squares of mac and cheese. Boom.

    Frying stuff even makes awful sh*t like cauliflower taste awesome.

  110. MTU November 22nd, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Blake-

    Swisher should cash in.

    He should be able to get more years than that.

  111. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 9:19 am

    You can fry anything in it ;)

  112. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 9:20 am

    MTU – I told a story the other day about a phone conversation between my mom and dad. It was like ‘Michael.. I said the biggest one they have, we go through this every year. …..Is that the biggest? No. The biggest one they have.’ My dad’s hands were still red when he got home from sifting through turkeys.

    Right after that we told him we need to physically chop down our Christmas tree this year because my mom told my nephew we would lol. I heard him grumbling something about ‘Maria, you are actually trying to kill me and the life insurance isn’t what you think it is..’

  113. MTU November 22nd, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Have a great day.

    I’m off to walk the Mops.

    I’ll check back.

  114. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Shame,

    Does your dad like leg lamps :)

  115. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 9:22 am

    I think Swish’s predicament is age. Not like Hughes where a 3 year deal would leave him in a good spot on his next go-round. And we can’t overpay Swish to take a shorter deal because we can’t pay anyone anything.

    Swish would be the least likely to take a one year deal… but maybe they could try to blow him away with a one year offer…?

  116. MTU November 22nd, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Shame-

    Your Dad has an excellent 1st name.

    Same as mine.

    Later.

    :)

  117. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 9:24 am

    blake – Have we talked about how I own a full sized replica of that lamp?!

    I hope we have lol.

  118. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 9:24 am

    MTU – Yeah my parents are Michael and Maria because my whole family is one giant walking stereotype of Italian Americans lol. I love it.

  119. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 9:25 am

    “Swish would be the least likely to take a one year deal… but maybe they could try to blow him away with a one year offer…?”

    I think 5/65 or so is probably out there for him….so my guess is the Yanks would have to give him like 20 million on a one year deal and I can’t see them doing that…..Swish probably will move on but I do hope Yankee fans remember him for the good things because he did enjoy playing in NY and he was a terrific value for them…….

  120. austinmac November 22nd, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Shame,

    I sense you are feeling like Swisher in a playoff game. Let the game and the turkey cooking come to you. Try to go the other way when you go past the oven.

    Remember, no matter how it tastes you have a contract on the blog for next uear.

  121. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2012 at 9:25 am

    I actually never had fried turkey, I imaging it’s probably tasty… which made my thoughts wander about in if KFC ever served fried turkey or ‘Baby got back’ from SirMixalot when I am eating it.

    On Turkey and Thanksgiving… T is not my favorite bird, cuz it’s a bird with a lot of meat but not much taste, as a tradition I stomach it but really more for stuffing up it’s butt! ham and pies are always welcome though. but I like the MTU’s thingie… I mean really, if the Native offered the Puritans grilled steak they would have abandoned turkey in a NY min, though admittingly, wild turkey are tastier.

  122. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    November 22, 2012 at 9:24 am
    blake – Have we talked about how I own a full sized replica of that lamp?!

    We haven’t but that’s so awesome

  123. yankee21 November 22nd, 2012 at 9:27 am

    blake; agreed on Swish. I think he would give the team a discount but in NY’ self-mandated payroll slashing there is no room in their budget for a player who is a proven in-season performer and for the most part a guy a lot of fans like.

  124. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 9:29 am

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    Feliz Graciasgiving! Que what esta tu thañkfulo para?

    :lol:

    Did not realize Michael Bloomberg had a Spanish alter-ego. I need to get me one of those!

  125. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Swisher will always be a favorite of mine….I liked him before he was a Yankee and I’ll like him after so long as he doesn’t become a Red Sock!

  126. yankee21 November 22nd, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Busy for the last few days have not had a chance to comment on Kuroda-san.

    Really glad he chose to come back to NY. As I’ve said before he is loyal to the core and NY is fortunate that there is a match between their 1 year contract program and his 1 year interests.

    Now Andy either S*** or get off the pot and make a decision already.

  127. yankee21 November 22nd, 2012 at 9:32 am

    I’ve never been a big fan of Swisher’ act so to speak but I’ve appreciated his production and when he is locked in he has one of the nicest swings in the game, from both sides of the plate.

    For the most part, he was an excellent Yankee, just couldn’t make it happen in the post-season.

  128. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 9:34 am

    blake – My mom went to Cleveland for a hamburger festival (seriously.. there is something wrong with my family..) and found out they have A Christmas Story museum! It’s the house from the movie, converted into a museum. So she went and called me telling me they sold the leg lamps!! I made her bring me one back for my dorm. It’s now a fixture no matter where I may reside. It glows like the beacon of hope that it is. You can even order it to be shipped in a wooden crate like in the movie, but it costs another $250 lol. http://www.redriderleglamps.com/

    Mac – That’s a great analogy!!!! I’m about to spin it because I think my oven cooks unevenly. It’s electric.. I’ve never had an electric oven before this year. I dunno if that explains the hot spots, because gas ovens can have the same.. but something about that glowing red rod makes me more mistrustful.

  129. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Swisher was a fantastic deal. Great value and embraced the city and the fans.

    His performance for what we paid him is what set him up to make bank right now.

    I wonder if the Yanks have talked about trading Granderson and trying to retain Swisher.

  130. blake November 22nd, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Shame,

    I’ve heard of this house….Id like to see it….love that movie

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