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Catcher and right field

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Nov 25, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Today’s interesting Yankees story comes from George King in the Post, regarding what’s going on with free agents Russell Martin and Ichiro Suzuki.

If it were my money, I’d bring back Martin and find a younger right fielder, but I’m not the one trying to get down to $189 million.

Today’s interesting question is, what would you do at catcher and in right?

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  1. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    blake November 25th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    @RiverAveBlues: Cafardo: Yankees have inquired about Giancarlo Stanton http://t.co/x2Lp94q8

    Oh snap

    —————————–

    Please, please, please….

  2. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    “A younger right fielder”. Who are we talkin’ about here???

  3. kd November 25th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    an ichiro/young of platoon would be great if ichiro would take a lot less money to play here.

    anyone have an idea of what he’s looking for?

  4. austinmac November 25th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Ichiro can be signed for less than $8M, IMO. His market will not be big.

  5. jacksquat November 25th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Stanton would likely require using Cano/Granderson to get high level prospects first.

  6. 86w183 November 25th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Stanton is worth almost any price they would have to pay.

    Yanks can offer to take Nolasco, saving the Marlins about $ 13 M and they like saving $$$.

  7. luis November 25th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Good afternoon everyone,

    No to Russel, unless it is for one year at BUC money, otherwise it won’t make sense.

    Hamilton for RF. If not, go young with one of Dickerson/Mustelier/ Almonte.

  8. Mike Ri November 25th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Stanton would be awesome !!!!!!……. at least Cashmoney is on the phone trying ….

  9. jacksquat November 25th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Yanks can pay for Nolasco no problem, but that would only be the beginning of what would be required.

  10. luis November 25th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    JS,

    Yup, it would probably need a trade of either one of those to bring in prospects for that trade. I would trade Granderson in this case.

  11. blake November 25th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    They cannot give Martin more than one year unless the AAV is 5 or less….given that the real payroll needs to be under 180 they just can’t tie up 8-10 million in Martin

    Stanton would be worth giving a ton for….. Problem is the Yanks don’t have the premium guys close to the big leagues so they’d have to offer quantity to make up for it…..probably so much quantity that its be counterproductive and even then somebody might still outbid them……

    Man would I love to have Giancarlo though…..

  12. donnyb23 November 25th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Can someone explain what the Yankees’ problem with Francisco Cervelli is?

    I mean, it seems he’s probably a better offensive option than Martin at this point, and he wouldn’t have ever made the big league team at all if his defense wasn’t rock solid.

    Moreso, I just love the guy’s ability to come through in the clutch. He always seems to come up big in situations where there are runners on. Given that this is always the Yankee’s biggest problem, I’d love to see more scrappy, driven, big-hearted players on the team, especially if they represent a huge cost savings.

  13. blake November 25th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    “offensive option than Martin at this point, and he wouldn’t have ever made the big league team at all if his defense wasn’t rock solid.”

    His defense isn’t rock solid which is why he wasn’t on the team last year most likely

  14. 86w183 November 25th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Hey Marlins —- you can have Brett Gardner plus five players plus $ 10 M for Stanton and Nolasco. choose either one in each category.

    Nova or Phelps
    Robertson or Chamberlain
    Romine or Sanchez
    Mesa or Austin
    Nunez or Adams

    Does that have any chance and/or make any sense?

  15. blake November 25th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    The Yankees will received $420M from News Corp. to keep the team on YES through 2042. They’re getting half of that now and the other half in three years. Just think, they’re trimming payroll in less than 16 months.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....ork-79511/

    So it’s easy to see why they need to cut payroll :|

  16. The Return of Stoneburner November 25th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    I am not getting my hopes up for Stanton – other teams can offer more – - – -

    I am good with Martin or A.J. P – most of the staff seems to like Martin – in particular Kuroda and Phelps

    For RF – I am good with a rotation of Suzuki, Ibanez, and Hairston – with Ibanez more likely as a late game bat off the bench and DH versus righties – - – -

  17. blake November 25th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    “Does that have any chance and/or make any sense?”

    Hard to say….but pretty sure they’d choose Sanchez, Austin, and Robertson. That’s a lot to give……but Id think about it…..if Sanchez wasn’t in there is do it for sure

  18. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    Oh man, I’d love that deal 86, but I don’t think that does it. I don’t think Romine has nearly the upside Sanchez has, I doubt anyone would think Mesa is worth much even in a package, and Heathcott and Williams would certainly have to be in play… I think you could maybe do it for Granderson/Cano, Heathcott/Williams, Sanchez, and Nova/Phelps. I say ‘maybe’ because I think you also might need to deal Robertson or Gardner in this deal. I dunno that they have any interest in Nunez given they just traded for some SS prospects. Admittedly, I dunno how close the guys they traded for are to the bigs.. so maybe they’d view Nunez as a bit of a stop gap. I don’t think they’d like Hughes much either with just the year left on his contract. In Cano’s case, it might just be worth it to see if you could get some butts in the seats for a year (yeah yeah, I know.. they have like 3 fans.. dream with me..) and someone to sell, even momentarily, as a real star on the team. If you could find a way to sell them on Gardner over Heathcott/Williams I’d love this deal a whole lot more..

  19. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    blake November 25th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    “Does that have any chance and/or make any sense?”

    Hard to say….but pretty sure they’d choose Sanchez, Austin, and Robertson. That’s a lot to give……but Id think about it…..if Sanchez wasn’t in there is do it for sure

    —————-

    That would be a great deal, even with Sanchez, tbh.

    I could be totally wrong, I just figured Stanton would be a 5-6 player guy.

  20. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    They might not want Grandy or Cano at all… I’m just not sure if it would help to have the additional payroll for a year and try to placate fans.

    Again… join my dream world here where the Marlins care about their fans and they have fans that care about them..

  21. luis November 25th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    86,

    The choices would be obvious, and probably counterproductive in the long run for the Yankees.

    But it would probably take that kind of deal to make it happen

  22. 86w183 November 25th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    I don’t think acquiring Stanton is likely at all, but nothing wrong with taking a run at him.

    I don’t think Hairston coming off a career year is looking to be part of anyone’s “rotation”. He doesn’t have all that dramatic RHP/LHP splits. I’d rather see Cody Ross/Dickerson out there, but a Hairston/Ichiro/Gardner/Dickerson combo for LF/RF might add up.

    Still curious what the $$$ will be for Pettitte and Rivera.

  23. 86w183 November 25th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    To cut the cost in prospects the Yanks could make nunez/Escobar part of the deal.

    Saves Miami another 4 4 M or so and upgrades the Jeter insurance.

    Like I said, I don’t expect it to happen. Then again, I don’t expect anything to happen until they get Pettitte and Rivera signed.

  24. 86w183 November 25th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    you know who might be a good, realy cheap super-utility guy?

    Chone Figgins. He has to have something left despite his disastrous play in Seattle.

  25. RhapsodyInBlue November 25th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    I doubt we see Stanton for the price. I have no problem with ichiro out there in 2013.

    Ichiro a decent bridge to the kids.

  26. The Return of Stoneburner November 25th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    Can I vote neither? Rather have Martin if I had to choose. RT @GonVH what’s best? 3Y/27MM on Martin or 4Y/36MM on Napoli?

  27. theREALkevin November 25th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    “Industry experts believe Martin can command three years at $8 million to $10 million per.”

    Completely overpaid at that price. I’d rather go with a freaking Romine/Cervelli combo than pay Martin that bloated contract. He’s not worth that.

  28. theREALkevin November 25th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Especially with the Yankees commitment to getting under the 189 mark. You can’t be giving out new contracts like that to mediocre players like Martin. If you’re going to spend make sure it’s on someone who’s worth it.

  29. DaSaint007 November 25th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    I’m not for gutting the team to add a RF.
    I’m good with Ichiro/Ibnez/Dickerson for now, with Granderson in CF and Gardner in LF (for now).
    And Martin is the best of the available options at C as he’s 30. Give him 3/25.
    But first sign Mo to $10M and Andy to $10M and get it over with.

  30. yanksfan7788 November 25th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    If im the Yankees i tell Miami to name their price and give it to them. Stanton is worth it

  31. Duh Innings II November 25th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    I’d offer Martin two years at $10M a year for $20M total, over three times what David Ross took to sign with Boston for 2012-13 ($6.2M), take it or leave it.

    That’s a $2.5M raise for 2013 and he’d still be only 31 at contract’s end and turn 32 just before pitchers and catchers report to spring training 2015, young enough to land a new 3 or 4 year contract.

    As for RF, I’d offer Swisher two years at $13.3M a year for $26.6M total or double the year and $13.3M offer the Yanks made to him. The Yanks were willing to give him $13.3M for 2013 only, so just double the offer.

    He turned 32 years old today. He’d be almost only 34 at contract’s end. If he has a 2013-14 like his 2009-12, he should have no problem whatsoever landing a new three-year contract as either a RF who can play 1B and DH or more likely a DH who could play 1B and RF. I just don’t see how a 32-year old guy who is below average defensively, can’t hit for average, and crumbles in the postseason is worth three to five years at more than $10.25M a year he made in 2012. Take away Ibanez the worst 2012 Yankee outfielder defensively and 2012 Swisher would hold that status.

    If he rejects that offer, then offer Ichiro a year and $7M ($10M paycut.) Ichiro would still average $12M a year 2012-13 ($17M he made in 2012 + $7M he’d make in 2013 = $24M by two years.)

    If the Yanks could get Giancarlo Stanton, great, but I don’t know how realistic that is. More realisitic to look at his teammate Logan Morrison who demonstrated solid OBP before 2012.

  32. austinmac November 25th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    86w183,

    Please no to Figgins. He is among the least productive players in baseball. He will become good after years of being awful?

  33. LGY November 25th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    @RiverAveBlues: Cafardo: Yankees have inquired about Giancarlo Stanton

    But lohud told me young position players are never inquired about :???:

  34. austinmac November 25th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    LGY,

    Lohud said young players are not acquired because the “price” is too high. Talk is cheap so Hal permits it. :)

  35. The Return of Stoneburner November 25th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    Exactly – first Wil Meyers and now Stanton – lohud told me young position players rarely go on the market – yet Verlander, Kershaw and King Felix plus Strasburg remain with their current team locked to extensions (except for Strasburg) – - – - – (sarcasm added for emphasis b/c I notice my “lohud told me” prior posts was done by someone else in this thread and was done in jest/insincerely in order to mock) – - – - -

  36. G. Love November 25th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Relax on Stanton. If you actually read the article being quoted, he said many other teams besides the Yankees & Red Sox inquired on him meaning every team in the league is willing to put together a package for him.

    We don’t have the chips to get him. If it’s us vs. Texas for him, we lose. We probably lose against most teams since our top prospects are injured or too far away.

    Stanton’s probably not even available. The Marlins have to keep some semblance of a major league team and trading their last star will not sit well with anyone.

  37. I Am Winning November 25th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Marlins cut payroll, yet they are going to give up a player that is control until 2016 for Cano that will start earning $20m a year? I can’t stand the offseason on this blog. Too many delusional fans. Cashman inquired, he inquires about nearly every effective e player. Well, in some cases ineffectively too, but that’s besides the point. Other teams can and will offer more than the Yankees, and it still won’t e enough to pry Stanton from Miami. He would be a a great acquisition, but I could merely name 50 other worthwhile players without any basis to it.

    People need to just sit back and wait for it all to unfold on its own.

  38. Jerkface November 25th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Exactly – first Wil Meyers

    Your inability to understand the point is admirable in its doggedness. Wil Myers is a nobody. He is a prospect who has not done anything. Go find the equivalent of Mat Latos or Gio Gonzalez being traded, a position player with 2 solid-above average years with 4 years left of team control.

  39. I Am Winning November 25th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Swisher wont accept the 2 year $26m offer. The Yankees would definitely make that move of it were an option.

  40. Jerkface November 25th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    You can trade for position players who have 0 MLB PA’s, or for guys in the final year of their contract, or in an expensive contract.

    Find a guy who is good, cheap and under your control and I will show you an untouchable player.

  41. ac1 November 25th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    might be true that other teams can put better prospect deals together but not as many would take Nolasco’s 11M off their hands…. I wouldn’t put anything past the Marlins.

  42. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    austinmac November 25th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    LGY,

    Lohud said young players are not acquired because the “price” is too high. Talk is cheap so Hal permits it. :)

    ———————-

    LMAO!! :lol:

    This is what I think the report amounts to, personally, but I’m not going to be done dreaming until I have to be lol.. I have a couple more months :D

  43. ac1 November 25th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    realistically though, the Marlins aren’t trading Stanton.
    Ichiro has said he wants to come back and it sounds like he actually wants to come back.
    You cannot wait around forever for Pettitte and Rivera. Rivera will come back.
    Ichiro, with Gardner would bring some speed to the lineup that depends way too much on power. Would also see what Scott Hairston is asking.
    Would love to have Stanton but it is unrealistic.

  44. luis November 25th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    Kevin,

    Yup…. Martin is elite no doubt… He will be in the HOF of BUC ;) Completely agree, he is not worth that kind of contract. That would be equating Posada to him.

    JF,

    Good point about an untouchable player.

  45. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    i liked ichiro but the yankees really really dont need another starter over 37. find someone younger please.

  46. The Return of Stoneburner November 25th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Angelo Gumbs playing winter ball now – first real games since the injury – - – -

  47. austinmac November 25th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Good news on Gumbs.. People like his ability. I hope he gets to play short. He is said to have the arm.

  48. blake November 25th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    @BloggingBombers: Pettitte begins training … Lefty’s decision on Bombers return expected ‘soon’ http://t.co/iwuBmusI

    Good sign I guess

  49. blake November 25th, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: russell martin & #yankees back talking after having been apart on $ earlier. others (rangers?) in. http://t.co/k71fGBMp

  50. blake November 25th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    The Yankees are gonna give Martin somewhere around a 3/27 contract…..and then try to tell us they can’t spend money…..

  51. blake November 25th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: #yankees confident they’ll re-sign ichiro. @CBSSpirts http://t.co/F0gptdez

  52. Bo knows November 25th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Gack – Martin the flailer again. But hey, he hit twenty HRs. Oh joy.

  53. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank November 25th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    I’m sorry. Martin stinks, offer him 2 yrs, 12m or just play Cisco and anyone… Martins defense was below average last year, I know joe loves him, but come on… Pitchers worship his game calling ? How much comes from the bench these days

  54. blake November 25th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Should have made Martin the qualifying offer and over paid him for one year only…..then said bye after 2013. Really hope they avoid a long term deal that would tie up money in him beyond next year…..because that’ll just make an already tight payroll situation even tighter

  55. jacksquat November 25th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    They would have to pay someone to catch next year also. It’s not like we have some young guy that is going to be ready to catch full time.

    Not that I like Martin much…

  56. blake November 25th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    “They would have to pay someone to catch next year also. It’s not like we have some young guy that is going to be ready to catch full time.”

    Who knows….maybe Romine stays healthy and would be ready by 2014….Maybe Sanchez kills it and is ready….maybe another option presents itself…. The point is that if they are serious about this budget stuff then they really can’t go committing 9 or 10 million a year to Martin …..because he simply doesn’t produce enough more than somebody making a lot less to warrant that

  57. LGY November 25th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    If they are going to give someone a multi year deal this winter it has to be Hamilton or NAPOLI. NOT Martin.

    I know NAPOLI is not a full time catcher but addressing the offense is much more important than Martin’s ability to catch full time.

  58. blake November 25th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    HAMILTON!

  59. LGY November 25th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Split the catching duties between NAPOLI and Romine. This allows them to ease Romine into the majors and see what they have in him going forward. The Yankees giving a young guy a shot. Crazy concept I know.

    Napoli can DH or play 1B when not catching.

  60. blake November 25th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    How much will Napoli cost though? He seems pretty dead set on 4 years….probably cost 4/40 or more….I dunno if Id wanna to there

  61. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    no thanks on hamilton. the rangers dont want him back that’s all i need to know…

  62. UnKnown November 25th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    I second Hamilton.

  63. blake November 25th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    “no thanks on hamilton. the rangers dont want him back that’s all i need to know…”

    They probably do actually….just not for what he’s asking….

  64. LGY November 25th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    The #1 thing I’d try to do is sign Hamilton and trade Granderson.

    He would transform the offense and provide some leverage in Cano extension talks next year.

  65. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    if the rangers dont think he’s worth what he’s asking why should we pay it? they saw him every day the past few years and dont think he’s worth it.

  66. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    hamilton plays 120 games a year, if we can get a rebate for 1/4 of his asking salary, i’d consider it…maybe…

  67. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    osi/jpp making it happen tonight!

  68. blake November 25th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    “The #1 thing I’d try to do is sign Hamilton and trade Granderson.

    He would transform the offense and provide some leverage in Cano extension talks next year.”

    This. If they could good Hamilton for 4 or 5 years then that’s preferable to 8 for Cano….and it’s give them the flexibility to actually let Cano walk if he demands 200 million to sign…..plus youd have them both for 2013…..

  69. blake November 25th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    They won’t sign him though….

  70. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    lets hope…

  71. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    so how many games do you think hamilton would average per year from ages 32-37 considering he averaged 120 per year from ages 27-31? my guess is the average will be slightly over 100.

  72. jmills November 25th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Hamilton in New York! Interesting.

    The Doors hired shadows for Morrison, and he drank them all away. Hopefully Josh stays in the moderate light and doesn’t have the ghost of Oliver Reed on his shoulder.

  73. Jerkface November 25th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    so how many games do you think hamilton would average per year from ages 32-37 considering he averaged 120 per year from ages 27-31? my guess is the average will be slightly over 100.

    Anyones average is going to be killed if they have a serious injury. In 3 of the years he played more than 133, in 2 more than 140. So I think we could expect ~140 for a few years and getting closer to 120 if he breaks down.

    He won’t be in centerfield though which should save some wear & tear.

    Don’t think they can or should sign him though, unless its ~17AAV. They cannot sign Martin, Napoli, or Hamilton

  74. blake November 25th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    I’d do 5/100 for Hamilton …. That’s close to the limit Id do though

  75. blake November 25th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    5/100 for Hamilton is better than 8/200 for Cano

  76. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    that’s realistic, the guy only played 140 games twice in his 6 year career, now he turns past 32 and you just ‘figure’ he’ll be able to play 140 per year.

    if you were an actuary, your company would be out of buisness.

  77. mick November 25th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    Morrison and the Doors, how much would they want to play here?

  78. mick November 25th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    George would have been all over Hamilton, damn the cap…..

  79. ron November 25th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    We should trade cano for prospects,then flip them to the marlins for stanton.
    Then we avoid a longterm cano contract,lower payroll a lot,more than replace cano’s production,keep our top prospects,and because we lowered payroll by trading cano,we still can add more offense.

  80. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    george like whatever was the shiniest fa player every year. thats why the yankees sucked when george ran them.

  81. mick November 25th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    People get Ready…
    There’s a train a comin’…

    And his name is JHam….a natural for the City.

  82. mick November 25th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    Reggie and Catfish were shiny and say hello…..

  83. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    2 championships in 26 years running the yankees ‘george’s way’. the least championships in any quarter-century of yankees history

  84. mick November 25th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    at least we were entertained….

  85. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    sure, i though stump merril was a barrel of laughs…

  86. mick November 25th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    small sample size…

  87. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    good point you can ‘t tell anything from just a quarter century…

  88. Bo knows November 25th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    The thing is that the Yankees have enough offense if the two dipsticks would stop contorting themselves and just swing normally. A mid order of Cano, Teix, Grandy should be more than enough. Need a two by plank adjustment. Can Long recure Grandy? Stand by.

  89. blake November 25th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    Yanks could get sneaky and offer Hamilton a 5 year deal with an opt out after year 1…..if he stayed healthy then there is a good chance he’d take it because players always do.

    The opt outs with Soriano effectively turned a 3 year deal into a 2 year deal…

  90. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    anyway just like a mini arod contract, it might seem like hamilton was a good pickup this season and maybe next, but by year 3 i think it becomes obvious what a bad idea it was signing a very injury prone and unstable player to a 5 year contract through his mid 30′s.

  91. blake November 25th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    “anyway just like a mini arod contract, it might seem like hamilton was a good pickup this season and maybe next, but by year 3″

    I think he could be good for most of a 5 year deal….probably not great for but a couple more but if you sign him then you have to go in knowing that the last year or two youlk be over paying…..that used to be the cost of business for the Yanks…..

  92. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    the problem with that is that the ‘back end’ of hamilton coincides with the ‘back end’ of arod, cc and tex’s contracts. too much dead weight (at $20M+) on the roster at the same time.

  93. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    eli looking pretty elite tonight!

  94. Jerkface November 25th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    that’s realistic, the guy only played 140 games twice in his 6 year career, now he turns past 32 and you just ‘figure’ he’ll be able to play 140 per year.

    Well he crushed the average you’d concoct for this season. I think 140 give or take is realistic. More realistic than averaging 120 and dipping to 100.

  95. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    so you expect hamilton to play more games as he gets into his middle 30′s than he played in his prime…

  96. blake November 25th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    I think playing the corners instead of CF will help Hamilton and stay on the field

  97. Jerkface November 25th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    so you expect hamilton to play more games as he gets into his middle 30?s than he played in his prime…

    Games played isn’t some linear thing. Halladay pitched far more innings in his 30s than he did in his prime. Hamilton played the 2nd most games of his career at age 31. By your system that would have been unfathomable.

    He has received most of his injuries from crashing into walls and tearing his abdomen/bruising his ribcage. Put him in RF or LF and tell him to stop running into a wall and watch him play an entire season.

  98. Jerkface November 25th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    Here are his injuries

    2009: Abdominal tear from crashing into a wall making a catch
    2010: Abdominal strain/bruised ribs from crashing into a wall making a catch
    2011: Broken arm from running into a catcher

    Remove him from these kinds of situations and you have a guy that played 148 games in 2012.

  99. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    i just think this team is so over extended with older guys making huge money that they can’t take a chance by taking on another guy playing into his late 30′s simultaneous to arod, tex,and cc.

    adding a shaky guy like hamilton to this already over the hill gang and the yankees resemble the knicks of 2008.

  100. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    hamilton’s injury of 2011 which you put off as ‘running into the catcher” was actually caused by the worst belly-flop ‘slide’ i’ve ever seen from a baseball player. and then he got pissed and blamed the third base coach.

  101. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    sorry the belly flop slide was in 2010, not 2011.

  102. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    anyway, i dont think the yankees are going to go anywhere near hamilton so this means nothing.

  103. jacksquat November 25th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    Playing a corner just gives you one more wall to run into, I never understood why people think it is more safe.

    And that’s not the only risk with Hamilton.

    Anyway, the Yankees won’t sign him and that’s a good thing imo.

  104. Ys Guy November 25th, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    G-MEN !!!

  105. Nick in SF November 26th, 2012 at 12:28 am

    “The Yankees giving a young guy a shot.”

    Remember when they made Romine fly all night and then catch with no sleep rather then risk having Montero catch? Good times.

  106. Jerkface November 26th, 2012 at 12:33 am

    Moving him out of center doesn’t stop him from running into walls, but reduces the wear & tear from covering the most ground out of the 3 OF positions. Thats why you also have to tell him not to run into walls :)

  107. MoRings42 November 26th, 2012 at 3:02 am

    Forget Martin, sign Pierzynski for 2 years. That article says that “experts” see Martin getting 8-10 mil for 3 years.. Ok, Pierzynski last contract was 2 years for 8 Mil.. you can work with it. His value exceeds Martin when you consider the offense we lose from Swisher leaving. Add that with Ichiro on a 1-2 yr deal and we’re set.

    Getting young is nice as long as the players are good. There aren’t any better than these two available. You just got to make the contracts short.

  108. blake November 26th, 2012 at 6:45 am

    @JeffPassan: If the Dodgers’ TV deal reaches $7B, Fox will pay $1.73M for each of the 4,050 regular-season games over the next 25 years.

    @JeffPassan: At $1.73M/game, it will take the Dodgers around 6 or 7 games to make what the Braves get for an entire season’s TV money.

  109. blake November 26th, 2012 at 6:47 am

    @pgammo: $6-7B Fox Dodger deal makes $2.15B seem normal, ups values of Yanks, Red Sox

  110. blake November 26th, 2012 at 6:54 am

    Basically the Didgers will be able to pay nearly a 250 million dollar payroll with TV money alone

  111. Mike Ri November 26th, 2012 at 7:15 am

    Martin getting 8-10 mil for 3 years—

    PASS !!!!

  112. blake November 26th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    Given the budget Id rather sign Soto and give the keys to he and Romine than to committ 3 years to martin

  113. MTU November 26th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Blake-

    The fact that a 3 yr. deal for Martin is still in the wind tells you that the Yankees have zero confidence in Stewart, Cervelli,and Romine.

    For less money and years you should be able to get AJ P.

    Rather have him for 2 than Martin for 3.

  114. MTU November 26th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    Blake-

    No wonder the Dodgers are spending money like it’s going out of style.

  115. blake November 26th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    I don’t think AJ is leaving Chicago….

  116. blake November 26th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    MTU,
    I agree….if they give Martin 3 years then either they are really overvaluing him or they have absolutely zero confidence in Romine.

  117. RadioKev November 26th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    I don’t like the idea of signing Pierzynski. He’ll be 36 next season and he’s got a bad reputation. I’d rather pay Martin. The devil you know.

  118. RadioKev November 26th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Why would they have any confidence in Romine? He missed all of last season.

  119. MTU November 26th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Blake-

    The choices must be very limited because for me Martin is an avg. defensive Catcher who has some pop but shows little ability to hit for avg.

    For that kind of money and those years you would think the Yankees could do better.

  120. MTU November 26th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Kev-

    AJ P. is a much better hitter than Martin. Not even close IMO.

    Reputation ? Maybe they could use a little attitude around there since
    a lot of guys look like they’re sleepwalking.

    ;)

  121. RadioKev November 26th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Once Ross signed early that really tightened up the market. He was the only alternative I could see.

  122. blake November 26th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    “Why would they have any confidence in Romine? He missed all of last season.”

    Well they have said they see him as an every day catcher in the bigs leagues….his health is a concern though and if they sign Martin back it suggests that it’s a big one.

  123. austinmac November 26th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    I think the Yankees cannot do better than Martin. He seems inevitable. Romine is overrated, in my view. His stats say BUC to me. Pierzynski seems like the only other possibility, but most people seems to despise him. The Yankees stress players being good teammates. He likely doesn’t’t fit that bill.

  124. blake November 26th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    “Once Ross signed early that really tightened up the market. He was the only alternative I could see.”

    In agree….he was the one back up that’s good enough to play every day if he had to…..the Yanks have sorta boxed themselves into a corner here and this is what I was afraid of a month ago when I was saying the Yankees should consider giving Martin the qualifying offer……the market for him was bigger than they thought it would be and now they may be forced to decide between giving him a 3 year deal for you much money…..or going into 2013 with real uncertainty behind the plate….

  125. RadioKev November 26th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    MTU,

    Pierzynski hits for better average than Martin, but the wOBA/OPS is pretty much the same. Last year is a clear cut “career year” and it’s unlikely he duplicates that again as he’s an aging catcher.

    I think trading Martin, who’s known as a good clubhouse guy and works well with his pitching staff, for AJ, who has a bad reputation and doesn’t know the guys, isn’t worth saving the money.

    The catcher market is abysmal.

  126. blake November 26th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Nobody could get past paying Martin 13.3 million for 2013 because yea that’s too much…..but the thing is that it’s one year and its much better than paying him 10 million a year for 3 years…..especially when 2 of those years will be under the new tax rules…….

    .had they made him the QO they would have either had him back for one year only…,or if he declined then at least they would have gotten a draft pick out of it…..plus having the draft pick attached to him may have driven him market down a bit for a multi year deal……

  127. MTU November 26th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    Claims are that Martin handles the pitching staff well and that the staff like throwing to him.

    With the Yankees emphasis on Pitching maybe that’s a big factor.

    Martin is good at blocking but he only throws guys out at an avg. rate.

    He’s not exactly Pudge or Bench back there.

  128. MTU November 26th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Everything is supply and demand.

    I was kinda amazed when the Yankees offered Martin 3/21 last year, and even more surprised when he rejected it.

    I was glad about it.

    Now it looks like they might pay him even more.

    :(

  129. blake November 26th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    I think the Yanks misread the market a bit with Martin thinking they could get him back for peanuts on a 2 or 3 year deal because be barely hit .200…..but as I’ve said there are less than 30 legit big league quality starting catchers in baseball right now ….and Martin happens to be one of them….. And several teams need catchers…..

  130. blake November 26th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    I’m almost positive Martin will get more than 3/21 unless he accepts that with the Yankees as a “discount” to come back…..and even at that number it’s too much…..

  131. MTU November 26th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    FA Catchers :

    Catchers
    Rod Barajas (37)
    Henry Blanco (41)
    Russell Martin (30)
    Mike Napoli (31)
    Miguel Olivo (34)
    Ronny Paulino (32)
    A.J. Pierzynski (36)
    Humberto Quintero (33)
    Brian Schneider (36)
    Kelly Shoppach (33)
    Chris Snyder (32)
    Yorvit Torrealba (34)
    Matt Treanor (37)

    Pretty slim pickings

  132. MTU November 26th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    To me it’s kind of ironic that we find ourselves in this position.

    We were supposed to have a very strong catching pipeline.

    Montero gone. Romine an injury risk. Cervelli a poor defender.

    Murphy and Sanchez too far away.

    :(

  133. Ys Guy November 26th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    So pierzynski will be 37 next season and ichiro 39. Add that to jeter 39, arod 38, mo 42, pettitte 41. That six of 15 ‘starters’ 37 or older.

  134. blake November 26th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Rays Extend Evan Longoria
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [November 26, 2012 at 8:05am CST]
    The Rays announced that they extended the contract of Evan Longoria by an additional six seasons. The $100MM deal extends through 2022 with a club option for 2023.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....l42pM4p.99

    Wow

  135. blake November 26th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Longoria must really like tampa

  136. blake November 26th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: according to @RaysBaseball, new longoria extension adds $100M over 6 yrs. #rays

  137. blake November 26th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: #redsox and others in robust nick swisher market. execs see him getting at least 4 years. http://t.co/C5inR3V1

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