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Pettitte reportedly close to re-signing

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 27, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Looks like things are getting started a little earlier today.

Buster Olney reported this morning that Andy Pettitte has decided to pitch in 2013, and the deal is almost done. Joel Sherman says it’s a one-year contract worth $10-11 million. I can’t help wondering if the delay in any hard news leaking out was caused by both sides wanting to have a deal in place before saying whether Pettitte wanted to pitching. It would have been embarrassing for both Pettitte and the Yankees to have it known that Pettitte wants to pitch, only to have the two sides get into a tough negotiation about money.

Now if the Yankees can also complete the Mariano Rivera deal this week — which seems possible — they’ll have three significant pieces in place heading into next week’s Winter Meetings.

 

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133 Responses to “Pettitte reportedly close to re-signing”

  1. PacoDooley November 27th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Just logged this in the other thread – didn’t see a new one.

    blake November 27th, 2012 at 9:49 am
    Axisa’s point is that they are screwed in 2014 anyway so go for it this year
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    I agree – hard to see them truly competing through the pinchpoint of 2014 – they can be decent, but with so much money constrained in a few big contracts and with Cano and Grandy (plus Hughes) all becoming FAs, they will have a hard time remaining at the top in 2014

  2. PacoDooley November 27th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    I’d like to see them overpay for a year of Hairston. He’s the type that could take that deal – get overpaid this year and then hit the FA market again next year. he won’t get a big multi-year deal in all likelihood anyway, so maybe he would take the extra cash to come to NY for a season.

  3. NYYROC November 27th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    I understand Axsia’s point about 2014, but I think trading Nova & Phelps would set the team back years. If pitching is the “key to the kingdom” That trade would leave the NYY with 1 or 2 SP in 2014. What happens beyond that. Hope for ManBan and wait for some other kids to come along? That could be a long wait. Plus if they are serious about a budget they probably won’t be signing elite SP either. Filling in with “Garcia/ Marcum” types won’t make them competitive.

  4. jacksquat November 27th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    They have been interested in Hairston, so it seems the plan is to go with 3 lhh in the outfield, and a Hairston type will alternate subbing in for each of them vs lhp. That’s if they are bringing Ichiro back as reported.

  5. PacoDooley November 27th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    jacksquat November 27th, 2012 at 10:02 am
    They have been interested in Hairston, so it seems the plan is to go with 3 lhh in the outfield, and a Hairston type will alternate subbing in for each of them vs lhp. That’s if they are bringing Ichiro back as reported.
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    He definitely seems like a good fit under several scenarios. I’m assuming that Ichiro is coming back since I don’t see Swish and any other quality option filling that slot. They could consider Dickerson, but it seems more likely that they would keep him in reserve in case the rest of the OF plans fail.

    I just don’t want to see them try Ibanez again. I just don’t see him putting up a decent season.

  6. ac1 November 27th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Busy day in Yankeeland. Pettitte back, Rivera basically back and Ichiro signed for 1/5M with incentives. Now they can start to figure out what they still need. Scott Hairston makes sense (need a right handed bat for the OF) and possibly look at trades involving Granderson (which should but wont happen)….

    Then catcher where i still say do NOT re-sign Martin. Just go to Cervelli, maybe resign Molina and move forward.

  7. ac1 November 27th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    damn now i read the reported ichiro deal was not a done deal :(

  8. blake November 27th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    You know at the end of Finding Nemo where all the fish finally get to the ocean but are stuck in plastic bags floating around …..and they are like “now what”?

    That’s gonna be Hal, Cashman, and company after they finally get under that 189 mark and they look at their roster next winter

  9. MTU November 27th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Please aim higher than guys like Hairston.

    I hope the Yankees do. I believe they still can make some noise this OS.

    They shouldn’t just settle for basic tweaks. The competition is even stronger this year.

    They can and should do better IMO.

  10. blake November 27th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    “I understand Axsia’s point about 2014, but I think trading Nova & Phelps would set the team back years”

    I don’t think trading a mid to back end starter should set them back years…..

  11. chicken little November 27th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Ichiro deal apaprently is fake.

  12. CountryClub November 27th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    I’m not as worried about 2014 as some others. I would even be fine with them struggling in 14 if it was leading to something moving forward.

    For example, if Austin and Heathcott were cutting their teeth in the OF in 14 I’d be more than fine with it. Obviously, that would mean they’d both have to have big yrs in 2013 (and stay healthy). But it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

  13. jacksquat November 27th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    I thought 5 mil sounded awfully low for Ichiro to take…

  14. MTU November 27th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Blake-

    I agree with you. Hughes, Nova, or Phelps should be made available in the “right” deal.

    As part of a package to get a big fish. We both know the basic parameters.

    I think people underestimate what the Yankees have to offer.

    Cashman is in a position of strength and that is good.

    Honestly, I wouldn’t be all that surprised if he comes up with something impressive.

    We have Pineda, Warren, Banuelos, and Marshall still in the pipeline for the back of the rotation.

    If they want some extra insurance get Haren for 1 year w. a team option.

  15. blake November 27th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    “For example, if Austin and Heathcott were cutting their teeth in the OF in 14 I’d be more than fine with it”

    Sure…. But Id rather them cut their teeth with a strong team around them….

  16. MTU November 27th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    IMO it’s unlikely that either Heathcott or especially Austin will be ready for primetime next season.

    They both need more seasoning. And Heathcott needs to show he can stay healthy by playing smarter.

  17. ac1 November 27th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    For example, if Austin and Heathcott were cutting their teeth in the OF in 14 I’d be more than fine with it. Obviously, that would mean they’d both have to have big yrs in 2013 (and stay healthy). But it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

    ____

    I agree. Regarding the strong team around them, there is just some things out of the team control, like ARod’s contract. No matter what, people need to accept his 27.5M/year AAV is going to hurt our team in 2014 and 2015. Granderson will be gone though, Pettitte will likely be gone also, same with Kuroda. Hopefully we have replaced some of them with the Romines, Adams and the Williams/Austin/Heathcotts of the system.

  18. jacksquat November 27th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    Cashman may just want as much financial flexibility as possible going into 2014. If things go badly with Cano, like say the Dodgers offer him 8/200, then they need to have money and positions open so they can still assemble a good team.

  19. LGY November 27th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    What makes anyone think the Yankees would be willing to put two rookies in the OF in 2014?

  20. ac1 November 27th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    What makes anyone think the Yankees would be willing to put two rookies in the OF in 2014?
    ___

    A requirement to not go above 189M? I would assume even if they did, they would be backed by some cheaper vets (Ibanez types).

  21. Brian Cashman GMGMGM November 27th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    The New York Yankees and Johnny Damon have PARTED WAYS!!!

  22. CountryClub November 27th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    What makes anyone think the Yankees would be willing to put two rookies in the OF in 2014?

    ——————–

    It was just an example of something I’d be OK with if it meant improving the team long term.

  23. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Cano hits the free agent market, he’s a Gone Goose. NO WAY with the Yanks attempting to hit $189, would they have the funds necessary to get into a bidding war for, “The Man With No Dive”. Either sign the dude Before the 2013 starts, or trade him ASAP. Yea, I know the Yankee policy regarding negotiating with players during their contracts, blah\blah\blah, but I also know reality. The Yanks should get More than a draft pick for Cano. The Yanks watching Cano walk, would be akin to what the Nats did with Soriano. DUMB

  24. blake November 27th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    November 27, 2012 at 10:28 am
    What makes anyone think the Yankees would be willing to put two rookies in the OF in 2014?

    Hal’s budget …..if they are gonna do this nonsense then at some point they are gonna have to trust prospects …because they won’t be able to pay proven players

  25. Jerkface November 27th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Ichiro deal is not a fake, its just people are going off an article that is in Japanese which says Ichiro may accept a 1/5 deal within the week, not that he has accepted. Then everyone wrote ICHIRO ACCEPTED!!

  26. ac1 November 27th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    I agree. Cashman doesn’t seem to be willing to change how he operates to suit the new ‘reality’. Hard and painful decisions have to be made sometimes and that may mean trading Cano if they are not going to give him the 10/250 Boras is going to demand.

  27. ac1 November 27th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    … and this isnt the old days where the Yankees will outbid everyone. The Dodgers will most likely put that 10/250 for Cano on the table next offseason.

  28. blake November 27th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    I don’t think boras will demand 10/250 for Cano…..but if he hits free agency I bet he gets 200 million or close…..the Dodgers will be all over him and that alone will push his market sky high.

  29. blake November 27th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    If the Yankees can’t make a trade for an Upton then signing Hamilton could give them leverage against Cano and a middle of the order replacement that could allow them to actually let him walk or trade him

  30. blake November 27th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    @MLBNetworkRadio: The Chicago @Cubs and right-handed pitcher Scott Feldman have agreed to terms on a one-year contract.Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

  31. ac1 November 27th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    I don’t think boras will demand 10/250 for Cano…..but if he hits free agency I bet he gets 200 million or close…..the Dodgers will be all over him and that alone will push his market sky high.
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    He got 9/214 for Fielder. No reason not to think he will go for more with Cano….

  32. ac1 November 27th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Blake, your logic with Hamilton makes no sense. Let’s say they sign Hamilton and use that as leverage on Cano. What gets accomplished? Yankees can’t afford Hamilton AND Cano AND stay under 189M.

  33. blake November 27th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    “Blake, your logic with Hamilton makes no sense. Let’s say they sign Hamilton and use that as leverage on Cano. What gets accomplished? Yankees can’t afford Hamilton AND Cano AND stay under 189M.”

    It makes lots of sense…..if you talk with Cano and he’s dead set on testing the market and pushing for 200 million then you plan on letting him go and you try to get creative with Hamilton on a shorter term deal than you’d have to give Robbie…..

    They can’t afford both no…..but Id rather have Hamilton for 4 or 5 years than Cano for 8 or 9 …..and have them both in 2013.

  34. blake November 27th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    “He got 9/214 for Fielder. No reason not to think he will go for more with Cano….”

    He might but Cano will be 4 years older than prince was

  35. blake November 27th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Also…..I think you could get sneaky and offer Hamilton a multi year deal with an opt out after year one……he’d take it if he had a good 2013 and you’d essentially turn his multi year deal into a one year deal

  36. ac1 November 27th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    He might but Cano will be 4 years older than prince was
    ___

    I agree and i doubt he would get that 10 year deal but he will definitely try…..

    There are a couple teams that will give Cano the $200M and I dont think the Yankees are one of them….Maybe if Alex was off the books.

  37. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    All you gotta do is look at Cano’s bringing Boras aboard, and you then Absolutely Know the carnage that is waiting around the corner. This is like watching, “The Amityville Horror”, and saying to yourself, “Why don’t they just get outta the house”???

  38. blake November 27th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: Mariano Rivera and #yankees are progressing toward a deal. could be wrapped up w/i a few days. http://t.co/LSxyC6ks

  39. ac1 November 27th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Also…..I think you could get sneaky and offer Hamilton a multi year deal with an opt out after year one……he’d take it if he had a good 2013 and you’d essentially turn his multi year deal into a one year deal.
    ____

    No way the Yankees risk him not opting out and having another 25M on the books. If they got Hamilton, Cano’s yankee career would be essentially over.

  40. blake November 27th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    “There are a couple teams that will give Cano the $200M and I dont think the Yankees are one of them….Maybe if Alex was off the books.”

    Agreed….honestly there is no telling what the dodgers will do…..the Nats have money to spend….the tigers….the rangers….etc….everybody would want Cano

  41. blake November 27th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    “No way the Yankees risk him not opting out and having another 25M on the books. If they got Hamilton, Cano’s yankee career would be essentially over.”

    They might would if the term is 4 years…..yes I agree that signing Hamilton would mean Cano is probably gone after 2013…..but if he wants 200 million perhaps that’s for the best

  42. Jerkface November 27th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    If the Yankees offer Hamilton 4/80 or whatever, with an opt out after year 1 and the first year salary is 15 and then it goes 20, 20, 25, if Hamilton opts out of 2014 the yankees would receive a 5 million dollar tax credit towards the 189 limit due to overpaying in 2013 by 5 million for Hamilton in 2013.

  43. blake November 27th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Id offer 4/100 with an opt out after year one to Hamilton.

    If he hits 50 bombs in 2013 and opts out fine…..if he doesn’t the You’re only committed for 3 more years

  44. ac1 November 27th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    We would miss Cano dearly, but sometimes you have to start over for the long term success…..
    I truly believe we have talent in the minors that will help this team long term. If they trade Cano now, they would have to get a good 3-4 players back, including a 2nd baseman (or try Nunez at 2nd)

  45. jacksquat November 27th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    blake November 27th, 2012 at 10:45 am
    If the Yankees can’t make a trade for an Upton then signing Hamilton could give them leverage against Cano and a middle of the order replacement that could allow them to actually let him walk or trade him

    —-

    No, that locks up money, in, in my opinion, a liability at that. It would almost guarantee they would have to let Cano walk. They can’t afford Arod + CC + Tex + Cano + Hamilton + Jeter.

  46. blake November 27th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    JF makes me like it even better!

  47. ac1 November 27th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Andrew Marchand?@AndrewMarchand

    I’m told Martin is looking for four years and $9-10M per. Doubt Yanks will do that.

    ____

    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH Good riddance to you and your .200 average.

  48. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    The Yanks aint offering Hamilton Anything, so let’s get off Fantasy Island.

  49. CountryClub November 27th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    I’ve said it many times, but I dont want to see the Yanks giving Cano an 8-10 yr deal. The odds say his best yrs are behind him. He’ll probably still be great for a couple more years (including 2013), but as a fan, I dont want to see them locking in a 30+ player to a mega deal.

  50. blake November 27th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    “No, that locks up money, in, in my opinion, a liability at that. It would almost guarantee they would have to let Cano walk. They can’t afford Arod + CC + Tex + Cano + Hamilton + Jeter.”

    I agree ….my point is that Id rather have Hamilton for 4 or 5 years than Cano for 8 or 9…..Im not saying they can keep both of them

  51. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Could sign Keppinger to 2B in place of Cano.

  52. CountryClub November 27th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Andrew Marchand?@AndrewMarchand

    I’m told Martin is looking for four years and $9-10M per. Doubt Yanks will do that.

    —-

    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH Good riddance to you and your .200 average.

    ————————-

    The thing is, he’s probably going to get it from someone. So it’s not an unrealistic asking price.

  53. Tyler November 27th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Martin can look for any value in the world but I hope he doesn’t seriously think that some team is giving him a 4/40 deal.

  54. Patrick November 27th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Id offer 4/100 with an opt out after year one to Hamilton.

    If he hits 50 bombs in 2013 and opts out fine…..if he doesn’t the You’re only committed for 3 more years

    Cashman should absolutely do this, I’d be pretty happy with a 4 year deal for Hamilton. I don’t think it will happen though, some team will definitely overpay for him

  55. Patrick November 27th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    The crazy thing is, despite Martin not hitting well last season his market is really good right now. There are so few catchers in the majors that can field and hit above replacement level and Martin is one of them. He’s getting a lot of interest from a lot of teams. I doubt he gets a 4 year deal but 3 years @ $30 million sounds likely

  56. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Yea, I believe Martin is looking for a 4\40 deal. I also believe there are people still searching for The Lost Dutchman’s Mine. Those people and Martin may bump into each other.

  57. Tyler November 27th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Martin had a WAR of 1.5 which was actually about the same as Napoli’s of 1.4… but Chris Stewart also had a WAR of 0.9… I wouldn’t go 3/30 even for a guy who is worth hardly a win more over 162 games than Chris Stewart.

  58. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Roughly 30yr old backstop for Guaranteed 4yrs $10 Mill per???? Boy, the Fantasy Island programming Never stops around here.

  59. Patrick November 27th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    WAR for catchers is kind of weird IMO because we don’t have a good evaluation of their fielding to contribute to WAR.

    Still .. 3/30 for Martin? hell no

  60. ron November 27th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    If the dodgers do a 10/250 deal for cano,they are going to burry themselves.
    They keep doing deals like that,they will be maxed out on payroll,and in last place,or close to it.

    The yankees should trade cano at the wm,even if that means trading him for prospects to flip.
    Like a cano,and granderson for profar,and olt,then flip profar,and olt to the marlins for stanton,and maybe getting a 3b,or 2b from one of those teams.

    Signing cano for what it will take,or letting him walk for one pick,5 years away is not wise,when you can get 3 times that now,and closer to the majors players,but the yankees wanting to compete with transitions is very difficult.

    cano
    granderson
    pettitte
    kuroda
    hughes

    and more will be fa after the 2013 season anyways,so they either go over the 189,or lose a lot of big parts anyways,and all just to compete for one year when they might compete anyways.

    They might get 10 q/o picks for losing all those players.

  61. blake November 27th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    “I’m told Martin is looking for four years and $9-10M per. Doubt Yanks will do that”

    It’s been real Russ

  62. Tyler November 27th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Patrick-

    You’re right about WAR for catchers but if you look at the list for 2012 it pretty much reads how you would expect with Posey, Molina, Mauer, Ruiz all on top. That’s the only reason I’d look at it because it still seems to be a pretty good ranking indicator. Not so much the quantitative values.

  63. blake November 27th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    “Cashman should absolutely do this, I’d be pretty happy with a 4 year deal for Hamilton. I don’t think it will happen though, some team will definitely overpay for him”

    You could argue 4/100 is overpaying….

  64. Against All Odds November 27th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    AndrewMarchand profile

    AndrewMarchand I’m told Martin is looking for four years and $9-10M per. Doubt Yanks will do that.

    ——————

    Way too high for Martin

  65. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    There’s a durability factor involved with a 30yr old Catcher, that is Not applicable to the other position players. Martin does Not even play another position. The 4\40 Guaranteed stuff, is boredom with a week to go before the Winter Meetings. Just try and hang on folks.

  66. champ809 November 27th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    My one hope this offseason is that Ca$h doesn’t mancrush himself into a deal with Russell ” Thurman ” Martin for more than 2yrs @ 8MM per….

  67. blake November 27th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Martin is the best option the Yanks have at catcher….but they can’t committ 9 or 10 million to him for 2014 ad beyond because he’s simply not that good…..which is why I was saying a month ago they should just pay him the 13.3 million for 2013 and let him go…..

  68. blake November 27th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    November 27, 2012 at 11:17 am
    My one hope this offseason is that Ca$h doesn’t mancrush himself into a deal with Russell ” Thurman ” Martin for more than 2yrs @ 8MM per….

    He’s gonna get way more than that….David Ross got 2/12 and he’s a back up

  69. Against All Odds November 27th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    LGY November 27th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    What makes anyone think the Yankees would be willing to put two rookies in the OF in 2014?

    ———————

    And even if they did those guys still have to adapt to playing in the majors. I see that on other boards as well “All we need is two of the kids to join the team by 14 and we should be able to weather the storm” Ummmm those kids will struggle just like every player does. We shouldn’t throw that type of pressure on them

  70. blake November 27th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    The Yanks misread the market for Martin

  71. Patrick November 27th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    You could argue 4/100 is overpaying….

    For those four years it’s definitely overpaying but I think Hamilton could find some team that will give him more guaranteed money on the back end of the deal. ie – 7 years @ 140-150 or something.

  72. blake November 27th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    @SurfingTheMets: Can now report Mets have made Wright a 7 year offer well in excess of $100 mil, according to industry sources. Negotiations in process.

    Crap

  73. Patrick November 27th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    What makes anyone think the Yankees would be willing to put two rookies in the OF in 2014?

    —-

    Well they put two rookie starters in the rotation in 2008 … And there weren’t the same budget concerns we have now.

  74. blake November 27th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    “For those four years it’s definitely overpaying but I think Hamilton could find some team that will give him more guaranteed money on the back end of the deal. ie – 7 years @ 140-150 or something.”

    I don’t think that deal is put there for him now….he ended 2012 too bad and there are too many questions swirling around him…..now if he had a great year in the Bronx then hit the market again next winter then who knows…

    which is why I would think a 4 year deal with an opt out after year one would be attractive to him…..it’s not exactly what he wants in length but its still a guaranteed 100 million with the chance to get more if he performs next year……

  75. Tyler November 27th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Never could see Wright going anywhere else although I wouldn’t blame him for trying to get to a contender. The Mets need somebody to market even if it might have made sense to try to get something back from him via trade.

  76. Against All Odds November 27th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    I truly believe we have talent in the minors that will help this team long term.

    ———————-

    Problem is the ar ethe ppl in charge using the proper methods to develop them.

  77. mick November 27th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Ichiro signs for 5m + incentives?

  78. Against All Odds November 27th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    CountryClub November 27th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    I’ve said it many times, but I dont want to see the Yanks giving Cano an 8-10 yr deal. The odds say his best yrs are behind him. He’ll probably still be great for a couple more years (including 2013), but as a fan, I dont want to see them locking in a 30+ player to a mega deal.

    ————————–

    True but by the time he reaches the end of that deal the majority of the old players on the team will be gone

  79. CountryClub November 27th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Roughly 30yr old backstop for Guaranteed 4yrs $10 Mill per???? Boy, the Fantasy Island programming Never stops around here.

    —————-

    I’m not saying I would give it to him if I owned a team, but someone is going to give 8-10 mil a yr. If I were the Yanks, my best offer would be 3/24.

  80. LGY November 27th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Well they put two rookie starters in the rotation in 2008 … And there weren’t the same budget concerns we have now.

    ——-

    That’s when Cashman was still delusional enough to believe he could develop pitching.

  81. Patrick November 27th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    That’s when Cashman was still delusional enough to believe he could develop pitching.

    Well he’s probably still delusional enough to think he can develop position players

  82. ac1 November 27th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Ichiro signs for 5m + incentives?
    ____

    Overzealous report. Nothing final yet.

  83. mick November 27th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Wha’ happned to Knicks last night?

  84. bruceb November 27th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Wha’ happned to Knicks last night?

    Carmelo blew it in the final seconds and Woodson abused both him and Chandler in terms of minutes played. 13 games into the season and the veterans are already looking jaded. Why does the NBA insist on teams playing four times a week? Greed, I guess.

  85. 86w183 November 27th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    David Ross got $ 6.1 M for two years, not $ 6 M per year.

  86. Patrick November 27th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Wha’ happned to Knicks last night?

    They lost to my Nets! :)

  87. Jerkface November 27th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Yankees should have went much harder on Ross

  88. blake November 27th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    86w183 says:
    November 27, 2012 at 11:35 am
    David Ross got $ 6.1 M for two years, not $ 6 M per year.

    You’re right…. They should have signed him

  89. Patrick November 27th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Yankees should have went much harder on Ross

    Yep..

    Boston will have a good catching duo next season as it seems likely they will also get Napoli

  90. blake November 27th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Ross/Romine for like 4 million combined > Martin for 8 or 9

  91. blake November 27th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    I like the two deals the Sox did for Ross and Gomes…..probably over pays but good fits

  92. Cashmoney November 27th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    call it what you like, rigidity in thought process, lack of planning and proper evaluation. but considering 14 and finite resource (which i happen to think they are better off retooling) to sign a the best mediocre catcher for 3/30 or more is just asinine. I hope the Yanks are smart enough to allocate that resource elsewhere and obtain a cheap defensive replacement for him. despite his 700 ops, martin has a horrible approach as a hitter and is not what I consider a significant offensive upgrade over most of his peers.

  93. CountryClub November 27th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    And even if they did those guys still have to adapt to playing in the majors. I see that on other boards as well “All we need is two of the kids to join the team by 14 and we should be able to weather the storm” Ummmm those kids will struggle just like every player does. We shouldn’t throw that type of pressure on them

    ————–

    I can’t speak for others, but my point was I’d be OK with the Yanks missing the playoffs in 14 if it was for the greater good. And I used those 2 playing in the OF as an example. Obviosuly I’d prefer they break in youth AND make the playoffs.

    I’d rather see the Yanks tear it down for a yr or two in the hopes of making another extended run than continue to plug holes with older guys on 1 yr deals while trying to win 90 games a yr.

  94. Cashmoney November 27th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    pardon, mediocre at best is what i think of martin and his future projections.

  95. Against All Odds November 27th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    CountryClub November 27th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    And even if they did those guys still have to adapt to playing in the majors. I see that on other boards as well “All we need is two of the kids to join the team by 14 and we should be able to weather the storm” Ummmm those kids will struggle just like every player does. We shouldn’t throw that type of pressure on them

    ————–

    I can’t speak for others, but my point was I’d be OK with the Yanks missing the playoffs in 14 if it was for the greater good. And I used those 2 playing in the OF as an example. Obviosuly I’d prefer they break in youth AND make the playoffs.

    I’d rather see the Yanks tear it down for a yr or two in the hopes of making another extended run than continue to plug holes with older guys on 1 yr deals while trying to win 90 games

    —————

    I understand where you’re coming from and it’s a reasonable approach. What bothers me are the fans that are looking at these kids to save the day.

  96. Warning Track Power November 27th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Very pleased to read that Andy is returning for 1 more year.
    The money is right. The 1 year deal is perfect for him and the team.
    Win/Win situation!

  97. austinmac November 27th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Returning last year’s team absent Martin and Swisher and replacing them with Ichiro and Romine/Whitestone/Cervelli is not a very good team. Martin will seem like Ruth compared to his offensive replacement. Swisher will seem like Gehrig compared to Ichiro and his .720 OPS.

    Criticize the former players, but understand the replacements will be far worse.

    They cannot simply lose offense and not replace it. Pierzynski at catcher, or if they are going with a zero offense catcher, use Randy’s plan and replace the offense with a big outfield bat.

  98. Cashmoney November 27th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    I understand where you’re coming from and it’s a reasonable approach. What bothers me are the fans that are looking at these kids to save the day.
    ——-
    i see someone of it in Hal’s comments about the bees last spring, obviously a lot hope were piled on the young guns to supplement this aging and overpaid crew. but realistically, i don’t think the yankee are stupid enough in pinning their hope on C+ or D OF prospects that has since came thru to the upper minors. One could argue the Mesa, the Almontes has since develop their tools to possibly become mlb viable outfielder. but that’s a long way from established yourself as a viable starter in the major. I think the yanks have to common sense to see that.

  99. 86w183 November 27th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    It’s a little disconcerting that they are going to pay about $ 40 M for Kuroda, Pettitte and Rivera. I was hoping for something closer to $ 30 M. That consumes just about all of the Soriano savings.

    Unless they up payroll or deal a significant contract they have about $ 15 M to spend on RF, plus C and the bench. Maybe a bit more depending on raises for Hughes, Robertson and Logan.

  100. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Yanks might be waiting to see if a Cano deal would net them a catcher in the package. I get the feeling that Martin wants the Yanks, More than the Yanks want Martin, at the going rate\$$$. This retooling stuff is Bunk, when you have a chips like Cano, Nunez, Grandy, Gardner, Nova, Hughes, and Phelps to play with. Yanks should get MLB players for these chips, NOT lottery tickets. Once the Yanks feel comfortable that they are gonna sign Ichiro, Gardner becomes a chip.

  101. austinmac November 27th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    At the rate money is being spent, I would not at all be surprised to see Martin sign for four years at $35-40M. It won’t be the Yankees and I understand why not. However, it is blindness not to see a huge offensvie decline with Whiteside or his ilk behind the plate. We are talking sub .600 OPS.

  102. jacksquat November 27th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal
    Sources: #Yankees optimistic about completing deals for both Pettitte, Rivera this week. Pettitte likely one yr above $10M, Rivera higher.

    Should Rivera get more than Pettitte? The same, a little less? Seems odd to me he would get more, Pettitte being a starter, having pitched more last year, and two good starts in the postseason…

  103. Warning Track Power November 27th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Mac
    I’m so glad you mentioned that the replacement players in line to get significant playing time next season are far worse.
    Just reading those groups of Catcher’s make me sick.
    Martin has to re-signed and I think he has the leverage. I would rather have Martin and overpay Martin versus having A.J. on this club. A.J. is not a good mix in The Bronx. Does anybody else agree/disagree?

  104. RadioKev November 27th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    A couple of thoughts:

    Maybe Russell Martin wouldn’t have accepted the qualifying offer. At this point, I’d guess that he wouldn’t have. Still, Yanks should have offered in order to maybe get a draft pick.

    A writer (I forget who) tweeted that the free agent market is working backwards this year. Smaller pieces are coming off the table first, leaving the big guys to sign later. Like Ross/Martin. I’m not sure if the Yankees should have anticipated that.

  105. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    “$15 Mill to spend”, BEFORE trading Cano.

  106. blake November 27th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    “It’s a little disconcerting that they are going to pay about $ 40 M for Kuroda, Pettitte and Rivera”

    Considering the alternatives …Id gladly pay those three that money for one year only

  107. blake November 27th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Donny,

    Who are you trading Cano for exactly?

  108. ac1 November 27th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Returning last year’s team absent Martin and Swisher and replacing them with Ichiro and Romine/Whitestone/Cervelli is not a very good team. Martin will seem like Ruth compared to his offensive replacement. Swisher will seem like Gehrig compared to Ichiro and his .720 OPS.
    ____

    Ichiro hit way better once he was traded. We dont need 9 guys swinging for the fences. If we get the ichiro we saw after he was traded, that is good. With Martin, you once again look solely at HRs. Ignore that martin hit .210. Cervelli can hit .210 too….. I agree you lose power and the Catcher position will take a hit, but i dont think this makes the team that much worse. In fact, you finally have players not trying to hit homeruns or strike out every time they bat.

  109. austinmac November 27th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    The bottom line is. in my opinion, the Yankees cannot field a competitive team next year and keep under the cap with Granderson and Cano on the books. That leaves far too little for the 30 plus remaining players.

    Either forget the cap or trade them. Just don’t let them walk.

  110. RadioKev November 27th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    blake November 27th, 2012 at 11:58 am
    “It’s a little disconcerting that they are going to pay about $ 40 M for Kuroda, Pettitte and Rivera”

    Considering the alternatives …Id gladly pay those three that money for one year only
    ——

    Three premium guys, none of that money counts towards the 2014 budget.

  111. Warning Track Power November 27th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Jack
    Should Mo get paid more than Andy?
    Very good question.
    Since Mo made $15M last season, he probably stands to make at least that much, but not more in 2013.

  112. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Most you guys continue to assume the Yanks will shell out all kinda coin for draft picks. Your gonna be sadly disappointed.
    I keep saying that all you need is a good “situational” hitting catcher, that is decent defensively, and with the hose. This is why reliance on numbers issa killer. The situational hitter gets consistently urinated on, in this game of Numbers you guys play.

  113. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    - BLAKE -
    I continue to believe that both Arizona and SD are looking to deal. Maybe Grandal involved after the suspension fiasco.

  114. Cashmoney November 27th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    mac, i think you vastly overrated martin’s offensive skills. Swisher i think will be far harder to replace than martin. Martin essentially had one hot month in sept in raising his offensive level from putrid to passable. the point is that, there are some options out there in a putrid catching market who would give you better bang for your bucks. my idea is Ross/buck,olivo,shoppach combo with romine serving more time in AAA and be ready when he is ready. but that boat has sailed.

  115. RadioKev November 27th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    One thing is for sure, Martin and his agent played their hand well.

  116. blake November 27th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    “I continue to believe that both Arizona and SD are looking to deal. Maybe Grandal involved after the suspension fiasco.”

    So you want to trade Cano for Grandal but you didn’t want to sign Melky the cheater?

  117. Patrick November 27th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    A bit early to be drinking isn’t it Donny?

  118. blake November 27th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    RadioKev says:
    November 27, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    One thing is for sure, Martin and his agent played their hand well.

    Sure did….they did a great job of realizing how muh the catching position sucks and how few decent catchers there actually are

  119. bruceb November 27th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Few players (if any) deserve $15M more than Mo but he is coming back from a year out with injury and he has banked plenty from the Yanks over the years. Surely if ever there was a case for a home team discount then this it it?

  120. Cashmoney November 27th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Yanks should let someone else make that donkey call… i will say this before it happens…yanks will regret signing martin for more than 2 years. but they are too dumb to make that decision early before ross came off board.

  121. Against All Odds November 27th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Cashmoney November 27th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    I understand where you’re coming from and it’s a reasonable approach. What bothers me are the fans that are looking at these kids to save the day.
    ——-
    i see someone of it in Hal’s comments about the bees last spring, obviously a lot hope were piled on the young guns to supplement this aging and overpaid crew. but realistically, i don’t think the yankee are stupid enough in pinning their hope on C+ or D OF prospects that has since came thru to the upper minors. One could argue the Mesa, the Almontes has since develop their tools to possibly become mlb viable outfielder. but that’s a long way from established yourself as a viable starter in the major. I think the yanks have to common sense to see that.

    ——————————–

    Hopefully they do but you can never be too sure.

  122. UnKnown November 27th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Be nice to put all the money you would save by passing on Martin, Swish, Ichiro, + money saved on Soriano opting out and put it all into a nice gunny sack to hand over to Hamilton.

    Figure that would be Martin – 8mil, Swish – 16mil, Ichiro- 5mil, Soriano – 14mil. That would be around 43 million (depending on how you play around with the numbers).

    Sign Josh Hamilton. 2014 will be a lot more tolerable if the Yankees get #28 in 2013.

  123. Cashmoney November 27th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    AoA, i think they are not that stupid…hal’ and collective brass is looking at the single A crew.

  124. Warning Track Power November 27th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Signing Martin to 4 years is quite a stretch. Not sure that deal is in the best interest for the Yankees.
    Especially if someone like Romine or another catcher in the minors has been tagged, “the Yankees catcher of the future”.

    Despite the slow start Martin had at the plate last year, he finished very strong.
    If Martin was hitting around .270 for the entire season, would this even be an issue?

  125. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    - Blake -
    Your thinking to 1 dimensional. I look atta 3 or 4 way. Yea, both Melky and Grandal cheated, but I do Not know the particulars involving Grandal. I’m willing to give a kid\Grandal a 2nd chance. I do appreciate your remembering my previous missives. Further proof that though my thoughts are frequently trashed around here, they are Always read And remembered.

  126. Against All Odds November 27th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Cashmoney November 27th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    AoA, i think they are not that stupid…hal’ and collective brass is looking at the single A crew.

    —————————–

    Even if it is the single A crew it’s still way too optimistic. I would like the kids to become apart of the team w/o being labeled saviors. It would be 2008 all over again. I didn’t mind that season because we say the big 3 in the rotation but it was difficult listening to ppl whine about it.

  127. Duh Innings II November 27th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    I love Andy Pettitte, but $10-11M is too much. At least FOUR TIMES his 2012 salary? He made only 12 regular season starts in 2012 – what if he makes only 12-15 in 2013? It’s not impossible considering his age and that he’d be a year older. Hopefully he will give the Yanks at least 25 starts (I could live with him missing five starts due to a minor injury and given extra days of rest.)

    “NYYROC November 27th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    I understand Axsia’s point about 2014, but I think trading Nova & Phelps would set the team back years. If pitching is the “key to the kingdom” That trade would leave the NYY with 1 or 2 SP in 2014. What happens beyond that. Hope for ManBan and wait for some other kids to come along? That could be a long wait. Plus if they are serious about a budget they probably won’t be signing elite SP either. Filling in with “Garcia/ Marcum” types won’t make them competitive.”

    Mike Axisa is a knowitall idiot (Mike you’re a joke for continually banning me from River Avenue Blues when I always come back at some point.) Yeah, let’s trade Nova and Phelps who the Yanks have under control for years and who will cost the Yanks less than $1.3M combined in 2013.

    Sabathia, Kuroda, Hughes, and Pettitte (assuming he re-signs), ok, but who’s the fifth starter and who are two AAA kids who could step in in case the fifth starter sucks or gets injured or any of the front four get injured? Also, Sabathia would be the only starter still under contract after 2013 since Kuroda and Pettitte would be signed for 2013 only and 2013 is Hughes’s walk year. You need a starter or two from the farm system to avoid having to buy FOUR new starters – who are those under control starters if not Nova and Phelps? I doubt it’s the so-called “Killer Bs” or Warren.

  128. blake November 27th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    “Sign Josh Hamilton. 2014 will be a lot more tolerable if the Yankees get #28 in 2013.”

    Bravo !

  129. blake November 27th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    “Mike Axisa is a knowitall idiot (Mike you’re a joke for continually banning me from River Avenue Blues when I always come back at some point”

    Can’t imagine why he’d do such a thing

  130. blake November 27th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    “Yea, both Melky and Grandal cheated, but I do Not know the particulars involving Grandal. I’m willing to give a kid\Grandal a 2nd chance”

    Speechless

  131. 86w183 November 27th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    You do the crime you do the time and you move on.

    I’ll leave the sanctimony to others.

    I would have pursued Melky, but would not have matched the contract Toronto gave him.

  132. austinmac November 27th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Cash,

    I understand Martin’s offensive, one dimensional issues. However, Ross is signed and the rest are amaziningly awful at the plate. Sign a defensive catcher and make up for it in the outfield.

    The making up for it in the outfield is likely just my fantasy. I remember when they were more fun. :)

  133. austinmac November 27th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    How does anyone on this board truly know how good the Yankee minor leaguers will be? Even the Yankees, who watch them every day, don’t know. If a couple of the hoped for prospects become better than average players, it will be a success.

    As much as I don’t like a one dimensional team, losing Martin and Swisher and replacing them with Ichiro and Brand X catcher, does lose about 35-40 home runs per year with a likely lower average.

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