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A pitching staff (as it is)

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 28, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

If it’s not today, it will be soon. The Yankees are going to re-sign Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera.

“I think we’ll get there with both,” a source told me yesterday.

Obviously there’s still a chance things could fall apart, but at this point it seems safe to assume those two are back in the fold. That leaves the Yankees with a pitching staff that they could — if they wanted to — carry into spring training with no further alterations.

Rotation
CC Sabathia
Hiroki Kuroda
Andy Pettitte
Phil Hughes
Ivan Nova/David Phelps

Best-case scenario for this group is pretty good. There’s an ace at the top, reliable veterans in the middle, and young guys with potential at the bottom. That’s a solid mix, and there’s certainly a strong chance the Yankees will add a low-cost veteran or two. Adam Warren and Brett Marshall loom as depth if nothing else, and Michael Pineda lurks as a mid-season possibility.

Bullpen
Mariano Rivera
Dave Robertson
Joba Chamberlain
David Aardsma
Boone Logan
Clay Rapada
Cody Eppley

Add Phelps to this mix if he’s not in the rotation. The 40-man roster also has guys like Cesar Cabral and Mickey Storey as options, and you can bet the Yankees will bring some fringy veterans into the spring training competition. There’s always that chance that another established, late-inning alternative will be signed if the price is right.

As it is, this is not a bad pitching staff. In fact, it will be a very good one if Kuroda and Pettitte can repeat their results, Hughes and Nova can find some consistency, Aardsma and Chamberlain can thrive further removed from surgery, and Rivera can be his old self. If nothing else, there’s no pitching desperation at this point.

That said, is it enough? Would you like to see the Yankees add another arm, and if so, which pitcher — or what type of pitcher — do they need? Is this team still short a starter? Is there too much uncertainty in the late innings? Where is this pitching staff strongest, and where is it still too weak?

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  1. MTU November 28th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Haren on a 1 yr. pillow contract to re-establish his health.

    And Soria if the price is right.

    But they really don’t need either.

    They’re gravy.

    If they took on Haren they could trade a young arm in a package for a bat. They need to beef up the O and fill a couple of holes.

    It won’t surprise me if Cashman busts a move like that.

    :)

  2. Noreaster November 28th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    This staff is plenty deep enough to start the season with. If you had to look at one piece to add it would be a power lefty in the pen.

  3. MTU November 28th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Noreaster-

    Cabral might just be that guy.

    ;)

  4. Yankee Trader November 28th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Yes I’d like the Yankees to add another arm. One of Nova or Phelps, and even Hughes might be traded next week for that corner OF bat, or even a catcher if they don’t resign Martin.

    Maybe a FA pitcher coming off a bad year trying to re-establish themself.

    Francisco Liriano?
    Lefty
    167 strikeouts in 156.2 innings
    Lefties batted .221, righties .251
    Walks too many-87

    Worth a shot on a one year deal with incentives?

  5. blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    @PeteAbe: New on Extra Bases: Erasing a line in the sand when it comes to the Hall of Fame: http://t.co/c3FQWv6d

    Bravo Pete!

  6. Yankee Trader November 28th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Probably the Yankees will add a pitcher from the non-tender list. Isn’t it due out Friday?

    Jair Jurrjens and his chronic knee?

    The Cardinals need another starter and have quite a few good OB% players:
    Craig .354
    Freese .372
    Jay .373
    Holliday .379

  7. blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    @mlbtraderumors: Pirates, Yankees Pursuing Russell Martin http://t.co/k1DtDJ1H #mlb

  8. blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    I hope the Yanks pick up either Jair or Pelfrey for depth

  9. Mike Ri November 28th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    I agree with MTU . Haren on a 1yr deal is a no brainer !

  10. AAA November 28th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    The Cardinals need another starter and have quite a few good OB% players:
    Craig .354
    Freese .372
    Jay .373
    Holliday .379

    ================================

    Yankees won’t take Holliday’s contract (remember $189M) and you can forget Craig.

    Jay’s a nice player, but something of a redundancy, especially if Ichiro is indeed brought back.

    Freese? Nice player. Don’t know that the Cards have any other answers at 3b though. They also have Shelby Miller ready to hit their rotation this year.

  11. blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    I like Haren and would love to sign him for a year….but unless they trade a starter there really isn’t a need for him and I don’t think he will take a Freddy Garcia role…..if they do trade a starter though then Id definately try to ink him or another vet for the back end

  12. AAA November 28th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    I agree with MTU . Haren on a 1yr deal is a no brainer !

    ==========================

    It is….for a lot of teams, which makes it likely someone more desperate for pitching than the Yankees (and that’s a lot of teams) will offer him more than a year.

  13. blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    If Edwin Jackson would do a one year deal then he’d be a pretty awesome 4 or 5 should they trade a starter

  14. Yankee Trader November 28th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    The Pirates had Rod Barajas last year. Anything is a defensive upgrade at throwing runners out than him. SB% .939!

  15. blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    AJ and Martin reunion! They’d need to trade for Cervelli too

  16. MTU November 28th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Like I said at the top adding additonal Pitching is gravy IMO.

    The Yankees have more pressing needs.

    Like a starting C and a RF’er.

    If Martin wants more than 2 yrs. let’s pass on him, save the money (as some have suggested), and upgrade our OF.

    Gimme Keppinger, AJ P. or Ruiz, and an a big upgrade in the OF.

    :)

  17. Yankee Trader November 28th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Travis Snider for Cervelli

  18. blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Sean Rodriguez is an interesting utility guy option if he is non tendered as mentioned here http://riveraveblues.com/……but as
    Mentioned in the post it’s probably that they can trade him if they did plan on non tendering him

  19. AAA November 28th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    If Edwin Jackson would do a one year deal then he’d be a pretty awesome 4 or 5 should they trade a starter

    ===================

    He would be, but why would he?

  20. blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    “He would be, but why would he?”

    He did last year….there is probably a longer deal out there for him but the Yanks have said they will be aggressive on one year comittments….if they traded a starter and offered Jackson 10 million for 2013 then I could see him having interest

  21. MTU November 28th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    I’m feeling more optimistic now that the Pitching is getting settled.

    Possibility of a significant trade to upgrade the O is in the offing.

    Cashman will be all ears at the Winter Meetings.

    He’ll be dealing from a position of strength which is good.

    Bag a good one Cash.

    ;)

  22. Yankee Trader November 28th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Phil Humber non tender?

    Besides the Tigers, has anyone heard of any interest in Soriano?

  23. blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    The Dodgers could decide they want Soriano and give him 4/40 or whatever…..

  24. blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    “Possibility of a significant trade to upgrade the O is in the offing.”

    I hope so….but I just don’t know

  25. MTU November 28th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Need to focus more on the the O now than the Pitching.

  26. MTU November 28th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Blake-

    It’s your job to know.

    ;)

    Got to run soon. Hike day.

  27. Shame Spencer November 28th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    blake November 28th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Nice to see Doreen , Maine, and Kate this morning ….wish it were under different circumstances

    ——————-

    What a bitter-sweet surprise to see a couple of old friends post this morning, however briefly.

    RIP GB7. I’m sure he’d appreciate that his posts are here in LoHud’s archives forever. So if anyone feels the need to reminisce on all the quirks of GB’s personality, they can step back in time and be chastised all over again. It would be a creepy thing to do, but I’m sure he’d like the idea.

    …Dang, maybe we should have an emergency contact info sheet for all the LoHud posters :/ GB isn’t/wasn’t the only ancient poster around here. Old people: please try not to die. Even if it brings Doreen back for a random post, I’d prefer that you not.

  28. Noreaster November 28th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    I almost wonder if the Yankees would look to sign Ichiro and package Gardner for a power hitting outfielder.

  29. Mike_Boston November 28th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    RIP GB, you will be missed!

  30. blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: #mets offer for wright is for close to $140M. theres hope, but still negotiating going on. http://t.co/duuFDGmw

    If they are offering 140 and Wright doesn’t sign then you have to assume he wants to hit free agency and you have to trade him

  31. Shame Spencer November 28th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    The Dodgers could decide they want Soriano and give him 4/40 or whatever…..

    ————–

    Yeah, why not!

    Then after they lock up Cano… they can make Hughes their ‘insurance’ starter.

    Eff the Dodgers.

  32. blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    “Then after they lock up Cano… they can make Hughes their ‘insurance’ starter.”

    Maybe D Wright is wondering what the Dodgers would pay him…..I would be

  33. Shame Spencer November 28th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: #mets offer for wright is for close to $140M. theres hope, but still negotiating going on. http://t.co/duuFDGmw

    If they are offering 140 and Wright doesn’t sign then you have to assume he wants to hit free agency and you have to trade him

    ———————

    DAVID WRIGHT

    (He’ll probably just re-sign with the Mets but I still have hope he’d actually like to win something in his career.)

  34. blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    If Im any player right now that’s close to free agency them Im wondering what the Dodgers would pay me before I sign anything…..

  35. Shame Spencer November 28th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    “Then after they lock up Cano… they can make Hughes their ‘insurance’ starter.”

    Maybe D Wright is wondering what the Dodgers would pay him…..I would be

    ———————–

    Oooooooooooo… The Dodgers are a sneaky bunch. I forgot that they needed a 3B. Did they have Hanley over there or was it Casey Blake?

  36. 86w183 November 28th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    I think Gardner would be a very nice piece in a Justin Upton-type trade. He has good value and upside and won’t cost much in terms of $$$$.

    They simply can’t return the same cast of characters in the every day lineup. the offense has to be upgraded.

  37. Yankee Trader November 28th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Feeling more confident with Pettitte and Kuroda in the starting rotation, but still feel it would be nice to add another starter since:

    Sabathia coming off minor elbow clean-up. Did that contribute to loss velocity?

    Kuroda-will he get better run support this year and pitch better away from YS?

    Pettitte-will he be injury free for the 1st time in the last few seasons he pitched?

    Hughes-will he give up 35 homers again, be more than a mostly two-pitch pitcher, and get righties out[hit .308]?

    Nova-will he reverse last seasons disaster?

    Phelps-other teams would most likely want him in a trade for a bat if they want a cost controlled pitcher.

    Cash-Bring in another pitcher, deal from strength, and then go get a bat next week!

  38. blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    “Oooooooooooo… The Dodgers are a sneaky bunch. I forgot that they needed a 3B. Did they have Hanley over there or was it Casey Blake?”

    Hanley….but they could move him back to SS or trade him or you know just have an extra 3B because money is no object

  39. blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    “I think Gardner would be a very nice piece in a Justin Upton-type trade. He has good value and upside and won’t cost much in terms of $$$$.

    Maybe as a piece….but if Towers is insistent on getting a SS or 3B in the deal then Cash would have to get a 3rd team involved…..about the only team I can think of is the Indians with Asdrubal

  40. blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: #redsox trio of positional targets as they aim to return to the top: napoli, swisher & cody. http://t.co/cwOxiVNs

  41. Shame Spencer November 28th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    blake November 28th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    “Oooooooooooo… The Dodgers are a sneaky bunch. I forgot that they needed a 3B. Did they have Hanley over there or was it Casey Blake?”

    Hanley….but they could move him back to SS or trade him or you know just have an extra 3B because money is no object

    ————————

    I wonder if they try to trade Hanley at some point and just set their sights on Andrus..

  42. Shame Spencer November 28th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    They’re definitely going to trade some parts though.. I could see the Dodgers being monsters in a couple different ways.

  43. Yankee Trader November 28th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Napoli would rake off the green Monster in Fenway.
    I hope Swisher finds his way to NL. Braves if they don’t sign BJ Upton this week.

  44. blake November 28th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    “I wonder if they try to trade Hanley at some point and just set their sights on Andrus..”

    If Andrus hits free agency and the Dodgers steal him I will not be a happy camper

  45. Shame Spencer November 28th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    AGon, Cano, Andrus, and Wright …could be their infield in 2015.

  46. Yankee Trader November 28th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Time to go.

    It’s a shame that it took some bad news to see old friends post again.

    Stay well and have a great day.

    Until later.

  47. blake November 28th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    “AGon, Cano, Andrus, and Wright …could be their infield in 2015.”

    Lol it could……. I do think the ship probably sailed on extending Cano as soon as the Dodgers were sold.

    Boras is too smart to allow Robbie to sign back without having the chance to pit Yankees vs Dodgers against one another……

  48. AAA November 28th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    AGon, Cano, Andrus, and Wright …could be their infield in 2015.

    ============================

    Believe it or not, there is a finite number at which the Dodgers will stop spending. They are not going to have Greinke, Kershaw, Kemp and the 4 IF’s referenced above on long term $20M per season deals. It”s simply not practical on any level. Besides, Cano will stay a Yankee.

  49. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    If they are offering 140 and Wright doesn’t sign then you have to assume he wants to hit free agency and you have to trade him

    *****

    Nah – lohud tells me young positional players are not (or rarely ever) traded or hit free agency – - – -

  50. blake November 28th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    “Believe it or not, there is a finite number at which the Dodgers will stop spending. They are not going to have Greinke, Kershaw, Kemp and the 4 IF’s referenced above on long term $20M per season deals. It”s simply not practical on any level. Besides, Cano will stay a Yankee.”

    There probably is but they haven’t shown one yet ….they could pay a 250 million dollar payroll with TV money alone.

    Cano may remain a Yankee….but the chances now are very great that if he does it will be on a very bad contract …..

  51. blake November 28th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    “Nah – lohud tells me young positional players are not (or rarely ever) traded or hit free agency – – – -”

    Wright is 30 and will be in his walk year….nobody EVER said those guys don’t get traded. I’m tired of trying to explain this concept to you

  52. jacksquat November 28th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Hanley was the Dodger SS, Luis Cruz is their 3B.

  53. tomingeorgia November 28th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    Shame,
    The rest of us ancient posters appreciate your concern. I spent the last few months canvassing all the Special Forces sites and my old GB friends. GB7 told me (us) that he had retired as a Command Sergeant Major somewhere within Special Forces/other Special Ops commands, so I didn’t think he would be hard to find. (There are only so many CSMs out there with GB7′s qualifications). Never turned up a clue. Never met the man, nor knew his name, but we passed some late nights during dull times swapping stories about the times, places and events we had shared.

    We had tentative plans for him to come up to Augusta for a Green Jackets-Riverdogs series in August, right about the time his posts ceased. My loss for not having acted sooner.

    As for me, when I do kick it, I’ve asked my wife to come on the blog and say what’s happened. Not that my fate is truly germane, but somebody might just wonder what became of me. Not nearly as many those who cared about GB7, but maybe just somebody I brushed against here. There are quite a few old farts here whom I’ve become fond of in an internet sort of way. I’m not the nosy type, but their fates and mine have crossed on this blog, and I wonder about them when they’re absent from here for any length of time. What a strange new world this is. RIP, GB7.

  54. blake November 28th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    It’s pretty simple:

    -Guys either close to free agency or guys that are unproven or have baggage are still traded
    - good position players that are proven and cost controlled are much less likely to be traded or reach free agency than in the past because teams have more money to keep them now.

    This is the theory…. So please stop falsifying it.

  55. blake November 28th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Tom,

    Thanks for sharing that

  56. blake November 28th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Yea I guess Hanley did play SS most of the time for the Dodgers….I didn’t realize he did that much

  57. Shame Spencer November 28th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    tom – As depressing as it might sound, I thank you for letting your wife know you belong to a online community that will be concerned should you ever stop showing up. And yes, we would wonder about your whereabouts just as we have with GB. Great post, btw, couldn’t have put it better.

    This might go for the younger posters on here too, unfortunately. If we didn’t know what happened to Bret I may have feared he had drowned himself in some T&A.

    We yell at each other a lot here but we like each other’s company. One day when I can afford Netflix I’m dropping you guys like a bad habit though. ;)

  58. Shame Spencer November 28th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    blake November 28th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    “Believe it or not, there is a finite number at which the Dodgers will stop spending. They are not going to have Greinke, Kershaw, Kemp and the 4 IF’s referenced above on long term $20M per season deals. It”s simply not practical on any level. Besides, Cano will stay a Yankee.”

    There probably is but they haven’t shown one yet ….they could pay a 250 million dollar payroll with TV money alone.

    ——————–

    Yeah I don’t think it’s actually likely but those numbers JF shed light on are astounding.

    When JF comes back I need to ask him if there are any limits on how long they will be protected by that bankruptcy deal. Is it infinite?

  59. tomingeorgia November 28th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Shame and blake,
    Thanks.

  60. austinmac November 28th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Shame,

    Thanks for the advice. I am busy today hopefully not dying. :)

  61. blake November 28th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: RedSox appear to be within striking distance of Swisher,Napoli & CRoss but in all 3 scenarios not giving extra yr that’s holding them back

  62. Doreen November 28th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    tomingeorgia, Shame,

    I have thought the same thing about telling my family to let my “internet friends” know if anything happened to me. It’s a different world we live in. I am friends with people I’ve never seen who I’ll likely not meet, but they are no less my friends because of that. I was only able to find the info on GB because I did know his name and the general area where he lived.

    And Shame – it’s harder to break this habit than you’d think. ;)

  63. Patrick November 28th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    blake, thanks for posting that link from Pete’s blog. It’s too bad more baseball writers aren’t as rational as he is

  64. blake November 28th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Patrick says:
    November 28, 2012 at 10:51 am
    blake, thanks for posting that link from Pete’s blog. It’s too bad more baseball writers aren’t as rational as he is

    I think a lot of people are though And the writers need to get on board so everyone can move on already…..

  65. Patrick November 28th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    blake,

    A lot of people but not the majority, in my opinion.

  66. AAA November 28th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: RedSox appear to be within striking distance of Swisher,Napoli & CRoss but in all 3 scenarios not giving extra yr that’s holding them back

    =======================

    2 problems I see with this.

    1) Gomes and Ross seems redundant. Why corner the market on OF’s with pop who can’t hit RHP’s?

    2) Signing all 3 would seem to compel using Napoli at C far more than anyone should be comfortable with.

  67. blake November 28th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    “A lot of people but not the majority, in my opinion.”

    Maybe not….I dunno. I’m just sick of the whole thing and am mainly sick of ex players in glass houses throwing baseballs and writers who waved their Pom poms in 1998 suddenly getting on their soap boxes and judging.

  68. blake November 28th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    AAA,,

    Agree….

  69. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Yanks do Not need to waste their resources on pitching. Cashman’s “key to the kingdom” proclamation has been proven to be hogwash, but considering the source, that’s par for the course. Yanks can hold a cattle call for that 5 slot, dumpster dive, etc. They currently have 4 solid SP’s, and technically that’s all you need heading into ST. Hell, teams even work around the 5 Slot in the early going. The Yankee bullpen is solid with Mo acting as the knot at the end of the rope, making everything hunky-dory there. The Yanks need a RF’er that hits for power, and J Upton fills that need. His AAV only makes him even More attractive. Signing Ichiro to play LF, trading Granderson, and moving Gardner to CF sets the OF. Catcher? Ths continues to be “much ado about nothing”. Beg, borrow, or steal, a decent defensive journeyman, and promote Romine to act as his caddy. If you wanna carry a 3rd catcher, that’s fine, but Not necessary. Romine’s time has come. Let him catch once a week, and slowly expand his role as his performance dictates. Time to take the pacifier outta this kid’s mouth and see what he’s got. All those meat heads down in the minors are gonna do is wreck another prospect anyway.
    The Post’s King is reporting that Kuroda turned down $2-3 Mill MORE to play for SD. The baseball landscape is certainly changing if the Padres are throwing that kinda change around. The obvious Padre need for SP makes them good trading partners.

  70. jacksquat November 28th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    So PA will be voting for Arod? :)

  71. blake November 28th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    jacksquat says:
    November 28, 2012 at 11:04 am
    So PA will be voting for Arod?

    :)

  72. Brian Cashman GMGMGM November 28th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    The New York Yankees and Nick Swisher are PARTING WAYS!!!

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  73. Patrick November 28th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    So PA will be voting for Arod?

    Good point, he REALLY hates A-rod. I think he will vote for him but it will be very painful

  74. blake November 28th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Union values new Longoria deal with #Rays at 10 yrs/$131M. Present-day value reduced from $136.6M by money deferred without interest – $9M.

    They should hire the rays to negotiate this fiscal cliff stuff

  75. blake November 28th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: #phillies have agreement to acquire reliever wilton lopez from #astros for minor leaguers. finalizing details.

  76. Against All Odds November 28th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    writers who waved their Pom poms in 1998 suddenly getting on their soap boxes and judging.

    —————————

    That bothers me to no end especially when they knew what was going on and said nothing or made back handed jokes about it. “The balls are juiced and so are the players hahahahaa” SMFH

  77. Against All Odds November 28th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    blake November 28th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: #phillies have agreement to acquire reliever wilton lopez from #astros for minor leaguers. finalizing details.

    ———————-

    They switched leagues but the Astros are still the Phillies farm team.

  78. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    They switched leagues but the Astros are still the Phillies farm team.

    ******

    While true – the Phillies sure wish they had Jonathan Singleton back – - – -

  79. blake November 28th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Wilton Lopez. Former yankee

  80. pat November 28th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Doreen

    Very sad to read the GB7 news. Thanks for your efforts. Also read you were not completely comfortable with the verification.

    Did you try to confirm with SSDI? Here is a free link to the database which is a great resource for birth/death/marriage/etc info.

    https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://hr-search-api:8080/searchapi/search/collection/1202535

  81. blake November 28th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Lopez was released by the Yanks in 2007

  82. blake November 28th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    @mlbtraderumors: Pirates Acquire Zach Stewart http://t.co/fzxBSi44 #mlb

  83. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    The Phils spend all kinds of jack on the rotation, throw Big $$$ at Papelbon, and Now work a trade for The Pen, yet ignore the area that killed them last season. Everday position players. They gotta catcher caught taking “goof balls”, a 2nd baseman that needs a cane, a SS that talks like he’s 22, but plays like he’s 52, And consistently shows the Mgr up, and an overpaid 1B that will soon be doing commercials for Gloria Marshall. Pence was the best all around player they had, and they shipped him off, and Victorino is gonna show ‘em where they Shoulda spent their coin. That team issa absolute shambles.

  84. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    From what I heard in the DFW area a few weeks back – it is probably changes – but Rangers were interested in Ellsbury and would have entertained Olt and some sort of other combination of Sardinas or Leonys Martin – Sox though did not want to do it – Sox could really make over that team – if they could do the Lester deal and then Ellsbury – Meyers, Olt, and other prospects to go with Middlebrooks, Bogaerts, Bradley, and Barnes – they might as well as just rebuild-rebuild – - – -

  85. NYYROC November 28th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    DONNYBROOK, hate to say it, but with a few revisions, your description of the Phillies sounds a lot like the Yankees.

  86. blake November 28th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    If the rangers would trade Olt for Ellsbury then perhaps they would for Granderson? He’s a lot healthier….same time left to free agency

  87. blake November 28th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    The Sox don’t need Olt as they have Middlebrooks

  88. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Olt would play 1b – - – -

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    Rangers and Nollie are on Tilt after that 1 game exit last season. The melt-down in the dugout between Washington and Hamilton told the tale. No Hamilton, No Napoli, NO WAY.

  91. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    This is just what I hear on the radio and from their sources down here – but I have not hear anything re: Granderson. Naturally, I would fly up to New York and pick up Granderson and bring him down here to Dallas if the Rangers were offering Olt for him – - – -

  92. blake November 28th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    November 28, 2012 at 11:38 am
    Olt would play 1b – – – -

    Yea I guess….they could just put Lavarnaway there though

  93. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 11:39 am
    Rangers and Nollie are on Tilt after that 1 game exit last season. The melt-down in the dugout between Washington and Hamilton told the tale. No Hamilton, No Napoli, NO WAY.

    ********

    Nolan is reverred in Arlington – he is not in any jeopardy. But very true about Washington and Hamilton – - – -There is also some friction between front office and Washington – Daniels and his crew wanted Profar played more and Washington stuck with his guys – - – -

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    The rangers seem to put Olt in every rumor that’s out there surrounding them….either it’s all bunk or they see him as excess and are pretty open to moving him

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    IMO – Rangers messed up by not going after Prince harder last winter – - – but jmo – - -

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    If the Yankees are trying to win the World Series, this rotation won’t get it done, largely because there are too many “what ifs” in Kuroda/Pettitte/Hughes/Nova.

    If either of Pettitte or Kuroda doesn’t repeat what they did last season, there is a gaping hole in the 2/3 slots.

    With that said, I don’t really see any alternatives on the market that are worth pursuing, so its a dice roll that could go either way.

    These reports about Victorino may contain an unspoken message:
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    Or they could just be considering a younger option than Ichiro, which would be silly because Ichiro is likely willing to take a one or two year deal whereas Victorino is probably looking for 3 or 4.

  97. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    In many ways, the Rangers not going after Prince and pairing him with Hamilton for one year – there could be analogy to the Yanks with Cano. Prince would have been left handed power insurance if Hamilton walks – and you get one season of both in the same lineup. That being said, I have seen and heard enough about Hamilton that I do not think he should be in a big media market – - – -

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    Your description of the Ranger front office vs Washington sounds like a scene outta “Moneyball”.

  99. blake November 28th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    The Return of Stoneburner says:
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    IMO – Rangers messed up by not going after Prince harder last winter – – – but jmo – – -

    I predicted they would sign him and I thought they would…..maybe they would have had the Tigers not jumped in and blew everyone out of the water

  100. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    And all I am saying – just look at the careers of Olt and Tyler Austin – is Tyler Austin going to jump up the charts even more like Olt did with his AA performance this alst season? And Olt played in the Texas League – Tyler has to do it in Trenton in the Eastern League – a bit more difficult and if he succeeds – Austin then is a bigger prize than Olt in the eyes of the baseball world – but jmo – - – -

  101. blake November 28th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    “If the Yankees are trying to win the World Series, this rotation won’t get it done, largely because there are too many “what ifs” in Kuroda/Pettitte/Hughes/Nova.”

    If they are depending on the rotation to win games 2-1 then no probably not……but if they paired that rotation with a real Yankee offense then that’s a pretty solid rotation

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    - Stoney -
    Your description of the Ranger front office vs Washington sounds like a scene outta “Moneyball”.

    ******

    LOL – kind of – but here – the Ranger front office is wanting the manager to play the best prospect in the game – Profar – over Michael Young and company. In Moneyball – it was what – Scott Hatterberg??? But very true – I can just envision that scene between Beane and Fuson in the movie playing out when the Rangers lost to the A’s or the O’s.

  103. blake November 28th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    “And all I am saying – just look at the careers of Olt and Tyler Austin – is Tyler Austin going to jump up the charts even more like Olt did with his AA performance this alst season? And Olt played in the Texas League – Tyler has to do it in Trenton in the Eastern League – a bit more difficult and if he succeeds – Austin then is a bigger prize than Olt in the eyes of the baseball world – but jmo – – – -”

    If Austin and Heathcott hit at AA then they will jump up the rankings because big league ready young offense is super valuable

  104. blake November 28th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    I said several times last winter that the rangers should sign Prince as a hedge against Hamilton leaving…..

    now I don’t blame them for not outbidding Detroit…but the Yankees could face a similar situation now where they could use Hamilton as a hedge against losing Cano. If you can get Hamilton for 4 or 5 years then that’s preferable to giving Cano 200 million bucks.

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    Almost without exception, it’s the staffs loaded with young SP’s that go through a season without Chuckers missing a significant number of starts. You look at the age of the Yankee SP’s, and your best bet is making sure that the offense is loaded for bear.

  106. blake November 28th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    They should have player Profar more because he was one of their 5 best players even last year

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    I hope Cashman has inquired on Olt…..

  108. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 28th, 2012 at 11:57 am

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    Fair point on the Yankees offense…if they actually hit in the postseason and our rotation is effective one through 4 then ya, we have a shot.

    i just don’t see that rotation holding up all season.

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    where would you play Olt? We have a 1B for the next 4 years…

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    3B and RH DH…..he and Arod could share that role…..he’s a 3rd baseman

  113. blake November 28th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    It’s amazing the TV money gap that’s forming and it’s hard to see how MLB will be able to do much about it…

  114. blake November 28th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

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    I thought Olt was projected more as a 1B, but if that’s not the case, you’re underlining something the Yankees should be doing generally and that is looking for a 3B.

    ARod is a DH. His defense (which is good) is expendable if we can get him focusing strictly on learning to hit the baseball a long way.

    Whoever they look at doesn’t have to be really good, just decent. I’d love a defensive 3B who hits for average instead of ARod.

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