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Andy’s back

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 28, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Andy Pettitte deal is done. A source has confirmed Ken Davidoff’s report that the Yankees have signed Pettitte to a one-year deal worth $12 million.

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159 Responses to “Andy’s back”

  1. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Pettitte showed how badly he wants to play by agreeing to less $$ than Kuroda. I’m sure Cashman wanted to sign Andy 1st, and then make the Kuroda Splash. Pettitte coulda made things very difficult. As always, a class act.

  2. Shame Spencer November 28th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    There are moments/time periods when Martin’s swing is very level and he remains balanced. He is just not consistent with his approach. And at this stage in his career, I don’t see him finding more consistency.

    I really hope they just go with Stewart/Whitefield/Cervelli/Romine. None are good catchers.. none are good hitters.. none cost $8-10 million dollars.

    Regarding Andy, if he gives you a better showing this year than last year and wants to come back – then what? Same for Mo.

    They should be going balls to the wall this year to get those guys one last ring…. it’d make forcing them out a little easier.

  3. Shame Spencer November 28th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Pettitte showed how badly he wants to play by agreeing to less $$ than Kuroda.

    ———————

    Dude… $4 million dollars less for performing in less than half the innings Kuroda did.

  4. Chip November 28th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    I don’t think Andy’s contract had anything to do with class. He had a very good, if not truncated, season last year and got what is, I think, fair market value.

  5. Niblick November 28th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Wow, $12 million for a guy who has pitched a grand total of 204 innings in the last three years and who will turn 41 next June? Really?

  6. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Posada debate is fascinating – it almost sets up an equation of sorts.

    Great season before FA + 2 plus .800 OPS + 2009 & 2011 postseason contributions = no regrets. It appears Posada was 50-60% satisfactory or above for his 4 year contract.

    Can we now take that same equation to the other ones on the books:

    AROD:

    Great season before FA (opting out) + two .900 OPS + 3 .800 OPS + brilliant 2009 postseason (for the first five years of the deal) = somewhere in that 60% satisfactory.

    Now – there are still five seasons left to play with ARod and the % could very well drop well below – but it appears ARod’s contract and performance is satisfactory under the Posada test.

  7. Jerkface November 28th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    The most dissatisfying aspect of A-rod’s deal is the Yankees using it to handcuff themselves.

  8. blake November 28th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Chip says:
    November 28, 2012 at 3:07 pm
    I don’t think Andy’s contract had anything to do with class. He had a very good, if not truncated, season last year and got what is, I think, fair market value.

    I can almost guarantee another team would have given him that for one season

  9. yankeefeminista November 28th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Yay, Andy! Welcome back!

    repost:
    yankeefeminista November 28th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    Martin is a mistake hitter who had a .643 OPS vs. RHP in 2012. For comparison’s sake, Jose Molina had a .680 OPS vs. RHP.

  10. blake November 28th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    JF,

    Any idea what the total revenue comparison between the Yankees and Dodgers would look like now?

    Id expect the Yankees to still bring in more through the non TV streams but I doubt enough to cover the difference in the TV money…..

  11. 86w183 November 28th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    I think $ 12 M is way too much for Pettitte, but it’s not my money. I wanted him back as I did Kuroda, so that’s a good thing.

    The question is do they have any $$$ they are willing to spend to upgrade the lineup? right now they are not as good as they were a year ago without Swisher and Posada and they’ve already spent all the money they saved on Soriano and then some.

  12. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Well, Cashman had No problem showing Bernie the door, and Posada was also treated rudely when Cashman practically burned Posada’s cather’s mitt during that ST Chit-Chat they had. Cashman’s M.O. needs a lotta polish.

  13. comet November 28th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Hi Shame!

    Sorry to read of the passing GB&. He was a good natured fellow with vast knowledge of Future and past Yankees as well as the current team. In addition he put some life into this Forum!

    Doreen and Kate it was good to see you post here. I hope you’ll do it again soon.

    Really glad Andy is back.

  14. Patrick November 28th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    Well, Cashman had No problem showing Bernie the door, and Posada was also treated rudely when Cashman practically burned Posada’s cather’s mitt during that ST Chit-Chat they had. Cashman’s M.O. needs a lotta polish.

    Bernie was done and Posada couldn’t catch anymore .. what exactly did Cashman do wrong in either of these situations?

  15. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    YankeesWFAN Pettitte 1 year, $12 million. Good deal for Yanks. He had right to ask for what Kuroda got ($15M). Yanks solid in rotation now.

    Nodding head in agreement – - – -

  16. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    Yanks should upgrade offensively via the trade market. Hopefully, Monday is the starter’s gun.

  17. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Yanks should upgrade offensively via the trade market. Hopefully, Monday is the starter’s gun.

    *****

    Second that – - – -

  18. comet November 28th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    In true GB7 fashion I had a Typo. make that “GB7″!

  19. blake November 28th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    Andy hasn’t pitched a full season in forever….12 is fine for him but Kuroda’s real market would have been a multi year deal…..

  20. blake November 28th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    “Yanks should upgrade offensively via the trade market. Hopefully, Monday is the starter’s gun.”

    Easier said than done….we’ll see

  21. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    - DONNYBROOK GENERAL PRINCIPLES – (continued)

    (8) IN LIFE, IT’S NOT WHAT YOU DO. IT’S HOW YOU GO ABOUT DOING IT.
    cc sent to brian cashman.

  22. ctyankeefan. November 28th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    Wait, what happened to GB?

  23. Jerkface November 28th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Wait, what happened to GB?

    GB7 and the mortal coil have PARTED WAYS

  24. Against All Odds November 28th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    blake November 28th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    Andy hasn’t pitched a full season in forever….12 is fine for him

    ———————–

    I think 8 would have been fine

  25. Nilsson November 28th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    yankeefeminista November 28th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Martin is a mistake hitter who had a .643 OPS vs. RHP in 2012. For comparison’s sake, Jose Molina had a .680 OPS vs. RHP.

    ———————————————————————————————————–

    Molina’s overall OPS in 2012 was .640. Martin’s was .713. Can’t leave out the data vs. southpaws. They’ve got feelings too.

    Anyway, those offensive numbers are nothing to write home about. But in terms of pitch framing quantification, those two guys are right at the top. I think that’s an important element since balls and strikes called is crucial to a typical game.

    Sorry to hear about GB7. I really liked him as a poster. I think he posted during the A-ball all star game at Charleston. RIP.

  26. Against All Odds November 28th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    ctyankeefan. November 28th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    Wait, what happened to GB?

    ——————-

    He is no longer with us unfortunately.

  27. blake November 28th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    @mlbtraderumors: Dodgers Have Interest In Kyle Lohse http://t.co/BkbmMOok #mlb

    Lol

  28. Against All Odds November 28th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Dodgers are linked to any player with a pulse.

  29. blake November 28th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Dodgers are interested in ALL the players

  30. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    World of difference between the “pitch framing” of Molina vs Martin. Cashman started this Martin being a “pitch framer” Baloney a while back, and some of you are eating it with gusto. You need to Go Easy on the mustard.

  31. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    MLBTRADERUMORS has a headline – Dodgers attached to Kyle Loshe.

    From here on – the Dodgers should just the *&^% it with tampering rules – let’s just saying with sayin we want this guy, regardless of whether he is on another team and under contract and go after him. Say for example, player X on the Royals and the Dodgers bypass the Royals front office and start talking directly to him and his agent first. The Dodgers can just write off the penalties, fines, loss of picks – whatever – they will make it up later – meanwhile the Dodgers can have the other player demand a trade, if the team will not trade him to the Dodgers, the Dodgers can just pay the player directly while he holds out, and if it comes to it, the Dodgers can foot the legal bill for the player to try to get out of the contract – - – -I fully expect the next MLBTRADERUMORS headline to be the Dodgers throw out the rules and say &^%$ it!

  32. blake November 28th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    It’s not about how well Martin frames pitches…..it’s how he goes about doing it right ;)

  33. 86w183 November 28th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Dodgers are only interested in expensive players.

    The only recourse MLB has to deal with the exploding local/regional TV $$$$ is to further expand revenue sharing, which simply puts million$$$ into the hands of lazy, complacent, incompetent owners.

  34. NYYROC November 28th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Molina couldn’t hit, but he wasn’t expected to. I think most of us thought Martin would hit better than he has.
    Molina was a player I actually liked to watch play D. I used to hope the runner would go just to see him throw. He was also really good at blocking the plate (so is Martin). I also noticed a distinct differnce in the way Molina called pitches vs Jorge. Posada was fairly predictable. Molina would often double up on pitches. It was fun to guess what he was going to call.
    My favorite Molina moments; 1) Final HR at old YS. 2) his walkoff HPB!

  35. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    I am trying to determine what will anger the lohud more: (1) Yanks sign Martin for 3-4 years at 10 million OR (2) the Dodgers sign Josh Hamilton as their lefty pinch hitter off the bench – - – -

  36. NYYROC November 28th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    Curry says NYY need AP to make 30 starts. Wonder when the last time someone Andy’s age made 30 starts, or how often that happens.

  37. blake November 28th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    “The only recourse MLB has to deal with the exploding local/regional TV $$$$ is to further expand revenue sharing, which simply puts million$$$ into the hands of lazy, complacent, incompetent owners.”

    Sounds familiar

  38. Hassey November 28th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    how many starts would AP have made if it wasn;t for Yankee Killer Casey Kotchman? (assuming he didn’t later get hurt any other way)

  39. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Martin also will Not get in front of an outside pitch. He lazily uses the backhand, which is why his controlling the ball issa crapshoot. Kinda like a goalie that blocks the puck, but fails to control it in front of the net.

  40. blake November 28th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner says:
    November 28, 2012 at 3:46 pm
    I am trying to determine what will anger the lohud more: (1) Yanks sign Martin for 3-4 years at 10 million OR (2) the Dodgers sign Josh Hamilton as their lefty pinch hitter off the bench – – – -

    Equally on both

  41. 86w183 November 28th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Well 30 starts is very, VERY optimistic for a guy who turns 41 on my birthday (I turn 55 that day, but whatever).

    I thought they could do something in the $ 6-8 M range w/ bonuses for 20, 25 and 30 starts, but I guess not. Once Mariano signs the Yanks will have roughly $ 75 M coming off the books before 2014.

  42. Hassey November 28th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Yankees right now are like being stuck in a clearly deteriorating marriage, but keeping up appearances just because of the kids. Waiting for them to go to college to finally pull the ripcord

  43. Against All Odds November 28th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner says:
    November 28, 2012 at 3:46 pm
    ==============

    Martin

  44. 86w183 November 28th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Hassey —-

    Funny analogy, but I think it’s more like the Yanks are a couple that has agreed to get a divroce in a year when the kids move out. Everyone’s on eggshells and no one can make plans beyond next year.

  45. blake November 28th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Not saying Martin will pick #Pirates over #Yankees. But if Pirates made 3-yr., $24M offer, as one exec says, this could get interesting.

  46. blake November 28th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: What intigues Russell Martin about #Pirates? Hurdle made impression on him at 2008 ASG. And, no lie, Martin also sees potential in team.

  47. blake November 28th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    20-25 regular season starts is more what to expect from Andy….

  48. NYYROC November 28th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    On Martin: Plus catching AJ keeps him in shape!

  49. AAA November 28th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Wonder when the last time someone Andy’s age made 30 starts,

    ==============================

    2005

  50. 86w183 November 28th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Martin sees $ 24 M reasons to like the Pirates. PERIOD

    gotta get busy, enjoy the day all!

  51. NYYROC November 28th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    AAA, thanks for the info.

  52. chicken little November 28th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Well now who is going to catch? yanks just cut Whiteside? We are doooooooooooooooooooomed!

  53. Ys Guy November 28th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    aaa moyer? he started over 30 past 45 i believe.

  54. NYYROC November 28th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Eli (not that Eli!!) DFA’d!!! We hardly knew ya!

  55. blake November 28th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    @BloggingBombers: To make room for Pettitte on the roster, the Yankees designated recently-signed Eli Whiteside for assignment.

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