Andy’s back
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 28, 2012 
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The Andy Pettitte deal is done. A source has confirmed Ken Davidoff’s report that the Yankees have signed Pettitte to a one-year deal worth $12 million.
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Pettitte showed how badly he wants to play by agreeing to less $$ than Kuroda. I’m sure Cashman wanted to sign Andy 1st, and then make the Kuroda Splash. Pettitte coulda made things very difficult. As always, a class act.
There are moments/time periods when Martin’s swing is very level and he remains balanced. He is just not consistent with his approach. And at this stage in his career, I don’t see him finding more consistency.
I really hope they just go with Stewart/Whitefield/Cervelli/Romine. None are good catchers.. none are good hitters.. none cost $8-10 million dollars.
Regarding Andy, if he gives you a better showing this year than last year and wants to come back – then what? Same for Mo.
They should be going balls to the wall this year to get those guys one last ring…. it’d make forcing them out a little easier.
DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Pettitte showed how badly he wants to play by agreeing to less $$ than Kuroda.
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Dude… $4 million dollars less for performing in less than half the innings Kuroda did.
I don’t think Andy’s contract had anything to do with class. He had a very good, if not truncated, season last year and got what is, I think, fair market value.
Wow, $12 million for a guy who has pitched a grand total of 204 innings in the last three years and who will turn 41 next June? Really?
Posada debate is fascinating – it almost sets up an equation of sorts.
Great season before FA + 2 plus .800 OPS + 2009 & 2011 postseason contributions = no regrets. It appears Posada was 50-60% satisfactory or above for his 4 year contract.
Can we now take that same equation to the other ones on the books:
AROD:
Great season before FA (opting out) + two .900 OPS + 3 .800 OPS + brilliant 2009 postseason (for the first five years of the deal) = somewhere in that 60% satisfactory.
Now – there are still five seasons left to play with ARod and the % could very well drop well below – but it appears ARod’s contract and performance is satisfactory under the Posada test.
The most dissatisfying aspect of A-rod’s deal is the Yankees using it to handcuff themselves.
Chip says:
November 28, 2012 at 3:07 pm
I don’t think Andy’s contract had anything to do with class. He had a very good, if not truncated, season last year and got what is, I think, fair market value.
I can almost guarantee another team would have given him that for one season
Yay, Andy! Welcome back!
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yankeefeminista November 28th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Martin is a mistake hitter who had a .643 OPS vs. RHP in 2012. For comparison’s sake, Jose Molina had a .680 OPS vs. RHP.
JF,
Any idea what the total revenue comparison between the Yankees and Dodgers would look like now?
Id expect the Yankees to still bring in more through the non TV streams but I doubt enough to cover the difference in the TV money…..
I think $ 12 M is way too much for Pettitte, but it’s not my money. I wanted him back as I did Kuroda, so that’s a good thing.
The question is do they have any $$$ they are willing to spend to upgrade the lineup? right now they are not as good as they were a year ago without Swisher and Posada and they’ve already spent all the money they saved on Soriano and then some.
Well, Cashman had No problem showing Bernie the door, and Posada was also treated rudely when Cashman practically burned Posada’s cather’s mitt during that ST Chit-Chat they had. Cashman’s M.O. needs a lotta polish.
Hi Shame!
Sorry to read of the passing GB&. He was a good natured fellow with vast knowledge of Future and past Yankees as well as the current team. In addition he put some life into this Forum!
Doreen and Kate it was good to see you post here. I hope you’ll do it again soon.
Really glad Andy is back.
Well, Cashman had No problem showing Bernie the door, and Posada was also treated rudely when Cashman practically burned Posada’s cather’s mitt during that ST Chit-Chat they had. Cashman’s M.O. needs a lotta polish.
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Bernie was done and Posada couldn’t catch anymore .. what exactly did Cashman do wrong in either of these situations?
YankeesWFAN Pettitte 1 year, $12 million. Good deal for Yanks. He had right to ask for what Kuroda got ($15M). Yanks solid in rotation now.
Nodding head in agreement – - – -
Yanks should upgrade offensively via the trade market. Hopefully, Monday is the starter’s gun.
Yanks should upgrade offensively via the trade market. Hopefully, Monday is the starter’s gun.
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In true GB7 fashion I had a Typo. make that “GB7″!
Andy hasn’t pitched a full season in forever….12 is fine for him but Kuroda’s real market would have been a multi year deal…..
“Yanks should upgrade offensively via the trade market. Hopefully, Monday is the starter’s gun.”
Easier said than done….we’ll see
- DONNYBROOK GENERAL PRINCIPLES – (continued)
(8) IN LIFE, IT’S NOT WHAT YOU DO. IT’S HOW YOU GO ABOUT DOING IT.
cc sent to brian cashman.
Wait, what happened to GB?
Wait, what happened to GB?
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GB7 and the mortal coil have PARTED WAYS
blake November 28th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Andy hasn’t pitched a full season in forever….12 is fine for him
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I think 8 would have been fine
yankeefeminista November 28th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Martin is a mistake hitter who had a .643 OPS vs. RHP in 2012. For comparison’s sake, Jose Molina had a .680 OPS vs. RHP.
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Molina’s overall OPS in 2012 was .640. Martin’s was .713. Can’t leave out the data vs. southpaws. They’ve got feelings too.
Anyway, those offensive numbers are nothing to write home about. But in terms of pitch framing quantification, those two guys are right at the top. I think that’s an important element since balls and strikes called is crucial to a typical game.
Sorry to hear about GB7. I really liked him as a poster. I think he posted during the A-ball all star game at Charleston. RIP.
ctyankeefan. November 28th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Wait, what happened to GB?
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He is no longer with us unfortunately.
@mlbtraderumors: Dodgers Have Interest In Kyle Lohse http://t.co/BkbmMOok #mlb
Lol
Dodgers are linked to any player with a pulse.
Dodgers are interested in ALL the players
World of difference between the “pitch framing” of Molina vs Martin. Cashman started this Martin being a “pitch framer” Baloney a while back, and some of you are eating it with gusto. You need to Go Easy on the mustard.
MLBTRADERUMORS has a headline – Dodgers attached to Kyle Loshe.
From here on – the Dodgers should just the *&^% it with tampering rules – let’s just saying with sayin we want this guy, regardless of whether he is on another team and under contract and go after him. Say for example, player X on the Royals and the Dodgers bypass the Royals front office and start talking directly to him and his agent first. The Dodgers can just write off the penalties, fines, loss of picks – whatever – they will make it up later – meanwhile the Dodgers can have the other player demand a trade, if the team will not trade him to the Dodgers, the Dodgers can just pay the player directly while he holds out, and if it comes to it, the Dodgers can foot the legal bill for the player to try to get out of the contract – - – -I fully expect the next MLBTRADERUMORS headline to be the Dodgers throw out the rules and say &^%$ it!
It’s not about how well Martin frames pitches…..it’s how he goes about doing it right
Dodgers are only interested in expensive players.
The only recourse MLB has to deal with the exploding local/regional TV $$$$ is to further expand revenue sharing, which simply puts million$$$ into the hands of lazy, complacent, incompetent owners.
Molina couldn’t hit, but he wasn’t expected to. I think most of us thought Martin would hit better than he has.
Molina was a player I actually liked to watch play D. I used to hope the runner would go just to see him throw. He was also really good at blocking the plate (so is Martin). I also noticed a distinct differnce in the way Molina called pitches vs Jorge. Posada was fairly predictable. Molina would often double up on pitches. It was fun to guess what he was going to call.
My favorite Molina moments; 1) Final HR at old YS. 2) his walkoff HPB!
I am trying to determine what will anger the lohud more: (1) Yanks sign Martin for 3-4 years at 10 million OR (2) the Dodgers sign Josh Hamilton as their lefty pinch hitter off the bench – - – -
Curry says NYY need AP to make 30 starts. Wonder when the last time someone Andy’s age made 30 starts, or how often that happens.
“The only recourse MLB has to deal with the exploding local/regional TV $$$$ is to further expand revenue sharing, which simply puts million$$$ into the hands of lazy, complacent, incompetent owners.”
Sounds familiar
how many starts would AP have made if it wasn;t for Yankee Killer Casey Kotchman? (assuming he didn’t later get hurt any other way)
Martin also will Not get in front of an outside pitch. He lazily uses the backhand, which is why his controlling the ball issa crapshoot. Kinda like a goalie that blocks the puck, but fails to control it in front of the net.
The Return of Stoneburner says:
November 28, 2012 at 3:46 pm
I am trying to determine what will anger the lohud more: (1) Yanks sign Martin for 3-4 years at 10 million OR (2) the Dodgers sign Josh Hamilton as their lefty pinch hitter off the bench – – – -
Equally on both
Well 30 starts is very, VERY optimistic for a guy who turns 41 on my birthday (I turn 55 that day, but whatever).
I thought they could do something in the $ 6-8 M range w/ bonuses for 20, 25 and 30 starts, but I guess not. Once Mariano signs the Yanks will have roughly $ 75 M coming off the books before 2014.
Yankees right now are like being stuck in a clearly deteriorating marriage, but keeping up appearances just because of the kids. Waiting for them to go to college to finally pull the ripcord
The Return of Stoneburner says:
November 28, 2012 at 3:46 pm
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Funny analogy, but I think it’s more like the Yanks are a couple that has agreed to get a divroce in a year when the kids move out. Everyone’s on eggshells and no one can make plans beyond next year.
@Ken_Rosenthal: Not saying Martin will pick #Pirates over #Yankees. But if Pirates made 3-yr., $24M offer, as one exec says, this could get interesting.
@Ken_Rosenthal: What intigues Russell Martin about #Pirates? Hurdle made impression on him at 2008 ASG. And, no lie, Martin also sees potential in team.
20-25 regular season starts is more what to expect from Andy….
On Martin: Plus catching AJ keeps him in shape!
Wonder when the last time someone Andy’s age made 30 starts,
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2005
Martin sees $ 24 M reasons to like the Pirates. PERIOD
gotta get busy, enjoy the day all!
AAA, thanks for the info.
Well now who is going to catch? yanks just cut Whiteside? We are doooooooooooooooooooomed!
aaa moyer? he started over 30 past 45 i believe.
Eli (not that Eli!!) DFA’d!!! We hardly knew ya!
@BloggingBombers: To make room for Pettitte on the roster, the Yankees designated recently-signed Eli Whiteside for assignment.