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From Charleston to Boston: Colbrunn named Red Sox hitting coach

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 28, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Red Sox have named their hitting coach, and he comes from the Yankees minor league system.

Greg Colbrunn, the longtime hitting coach for Low-A Charleston, is the newest addition to the Red Sox staff.

“This was a very astute hire,” Brian Cashman said. “Greg is more than qualified for that job and in our estimation no better hitting candidate in the marketplace than him. We were lucky to have him for as long as we did.”

Colbrunn had been with the RiverDogs since 2007. He was the team’s hitting coach from 2007 to 2009 and again in 2011 and 2012. He was the team’s manager in 2010. Colbrunn lived fulltime just outside of Charleston.

“We hate to see Greg leave the RiverDogs but we also congratulate him on this terrific move,” Charleston general manager Dave Echols said in a statement. “He was very popular with the players, and our fans have come to appreciate his hard work and knowledge of the game. We couldn’t be happier for him to get the chance to return to the big leagues.”

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168 Responses to “From Charleston to Boston: Colbrunn named Red Sox hitting coach”

  1. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Kevin Long complaints to follow – - – -

  2. yankeefeminista November 28th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    We should have hired him to replace KLong. Our minor league hitting approach blows our MLB one away.

  3. yankeefeminista November 28th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Frankly, Russell Martin is a terrible hitter whose SO rates increase every year. His AB’s vs. RHP are putrid. If we go 3 years on him, it just shows how incredibly doctrinaire we are…

    As for Sanchez, Pruf, God help him if he doesn’t have Russ to teach him how to frame. I’ll bet we are already seeing JR as Russ’s eventual replacement, and not GS.

    Chapman to return as starter for Reds(?) with Broxton in the fold…

  4. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    We get posts here about incentives No longer being permitted in contracts. So what gives with the Madson deal. Are these guys flim-flaming around this restriction or not?

  5. J. Alfred Prufrock November 28th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    yankeefem – sadly, we are in agreement on the GS front. And I don’t like Martin’s bat at all. He hammers the ball out when a pitcher has gotten lazy. He is not a tough out. Not a LD guy. If they had a reasonable view of him and re-signed him short term, that would be ok. It’s the unrealistic regard they have for him that I fear will block more worthy catchers. I fully expect them to re-sign him and for more years than we’d like, and to hear odes evermore to Martin from Cashman, who will regard the signing as the trump card of the Yankee offseason.

  6. Chip November 28th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    I always thought that the Pirates would be a natural landing spot for Martin. They need a catcher and have a front office that isn’t astute enough to realize that they would be overpaying for a marginal player. Honestly, if he gets 4 years $40 mil then I will be fine seeing him go.

    I don’t think the Yankees will get AJ – my guess is he stays with the White Sox.

    I also don’t think they’ll invest in Napoli.

    My guess is that they will bring in a guy like Rod Barajas or Chris Snyder on a 1 year low base contract and hope to muddle through with one of those guys, Whiteside, Romine, Cervelli and Stewart. All in all, the options are really quite bad.

    Other things:

    There was word yesterday that the Miami Marlins are looking for a power bat to plug into the lineup with Stanton. How about Granderson for Nolasco and LoMo? The salaries about match and Granderson would certainly provide power for the Marlins while at the same time wouldn’t represent a long commitment and can easily be traded mid season when the Marlins look to dump even more contracts. Yankees can then turn around and deal either Nova or Hughes (or even Nolasco)

    The Padres are in the market for a veteran LHRP – how about Boone Logan as part of a package for Will Venable? With Cabral and Repada the Yankees could afford to part with Logan in the right deal.

    I like Andy contract – we knew he was going to get a major raise; curious to see where Mo comes in.

    Good deal for the Angels on Madson.

    The Wright contract really hurts the Yankees with Cano.

    Stupid deal by the Reds for Broxton.

    Maybe the Keppinger broken femur helps the Yankees, but I still think he winds up at 3b for the Phillies.

    So, here’s my most recent projected lineup:

    Jeter – SS
    Ichiro – RF
    Tex – 1b
    Cano – 2b
    Alex – 3b
    Ibanez – DH
    LoMo – LF
    Barajas – C
    Gardner – CF

    Bench: Adams, Stewart, Venable, Scott Hairston

    Rotation:
    CC
    Kuroda
    Hughes
    Andy
    Nova

    Pen:
    RHP – Rivera, Joba, Robertson, Aardsma, Phelps
    LHP – Cabral, Rapada

  7. J. Alfred Prufrock November 28th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Where is the primo, of late? Haven’t been around much myself, but haven’t come across him when I’ve poked my head in.

  8. yankeefeminista November 28th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Pruf, I haven’t been posting much myself, but I noticed that the Primo was briefly in last night, advocating I believe against getting locked into a long term deal for Martin. I too think we’ll overpay and overextend Martin. Ugh.

  9. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Bench: Adams, Stewart, Venable, Scott Hairston

    *****

    JMO – you need a backup for Jeter at SS – - – -and Adams cannot be that backup – 3b and 2b sure – - -

  10. AAA November 28th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    We get posts here about incentives No longer being permitted in contracts. So what gives with the Madson deal. Are these guys flim-flaming around this restriction or not?

    =============================

    Incentives CAN be things like innings pitched, games finished, number of appearances, plate appearances, etc.

    Incentives CANNOT be things like number of wins, number of homers, batting average, strikeouts, making the postseason, etc.

  11. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Angelo Gumbs healthy and playing winter ball – good development – - – -

  12. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Hal aint gonna go for Martin. The Buck stops there.

  13. Duh Innings II November 28th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    If memory serves me wasn’t Colbrunn part of the 2001 World Series winning bottom of the ninth inning Game 7 rally?

    LOL @ Martin’s agent insisting Martin has received interest, which means he hasn’t received interest or he wouldn’t be making public statements about how in demand Martin is.

    Why would Boston be interested in signing another catcher after they just signed David Ross to a two-year $6.2M contract despite having Jarrod Saltalamacchia and an on the way to the bigs kid catcher in Lavonway (sp? you know who I’m talking about)?

    Why would Seattle be interested in Martin when they have .394 OBP in 2012 John Jaso behind the plate and why would Martin want to basically sign away the remainder of his prime years with a perennial loser who could lose Felix Hernandez after 2014 or more likely before 2015 (Ms trade King Felix) like Seattle?

    Why would Texas throw big money at Martin and what good would it do if they lost Josh Hamilton? Any offseason moves the Rangers make are meaningless if they don’t bring back Hamilton who their offense is built around. If Texas doesn’t keep Hamilton they are not making the playoffs for the next two years.

    Two years at $9M a year for $18M total for Martin now that I think about it (I said two years at $10M a year for $20M total) and if he doesn’t take it, sign AJ Pierzynski for a year and $9M and be done with it. I’d look at AJ merely as Jorge Posada Revisited (all bat no glove.)

  14. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    -AAA -
    Thanks. To me they are the same, because it takes one to achieve the other.

  15. J. Alfred Prufrock November 28th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Thanks, fem. I’ve been a lazy Lohud reader of late :D. Glad he’s been in.

  16. blake November 28th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    @TBrownYahoo: Ryan Madson contract with Angels expected to be for about $3.5m base with $2.5m in roster bonuses and another $1m for games finished.

    If this is a comp for a Soria deal then they should sign him….push the set up for Mariano with a chance to take over angle

  17. AAA November 28th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    sign AJ Pierzynski for a year and $9M and be done with it.

    ======================

    AJP can get more than 1 year in the newspaper thin catching market right now. If you’re looking for a C on a one year deal, you’re going to have go a lot further down the food chain than AJP.

  18. blake November 28th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    “The Wright contract really hurts the Yankees with Cano.”

    Nah….he was always gonna get way more than Wright and now that the Dodgers have new owners its hard fore to see Boras not being able to push that market over 200 million

  19. blake November 28th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: madson deal now official after he passes physical. likely to close and get $6M. http://t.co/j7ZIobJ2

  20. yankeefeminista November 28th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Sign Soria and move Joba back to the rotation. :)

  21. blake November 28th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    You’d have to give AJ way more than 9 million for a one year deal…..probably 13-15 to even have a chance for him to do that

  22. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    The offer the Yanks previously gave Martin was fair. Roughly $7 Mill per. I like him, but his age at that physically demanding position warrant Extreme caution. Martin was even frequently dinged up this season. Hal will hold the line. If Martin desires to get all beat up with those AJ sliders in the dirt bouncing off all parts of his body, so be it.

  23. AAA November 28th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    The Wright contract really hurts the Yankees with Cano.

    ======================

    Nothing hurt the Yankees with Cano more than the Yankees themselves. Could/Should have addressed his extension 2 years ago.

  24. AAA November 28th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    I like him, but his age at that physically demanding position warrant Extreme caution.

    =============================

    He’s only 30. I wouldn’t worry too much about his age. Yankees gave Posada a 4 year deal for his 36-39 seasons. If they need to give Martin 3 for his 30-32 seasons, his age would be the least of my concerns.

  25. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    If the Yanks hang onto Cano, it will be a replay of the Swisher Saga. Guy puts up good numbers in the regular season, tanks in the playoffs, everyone is happy to see him go. Let’s avoid that, and get something RIGHT NOW for No Dive Cano.

  26. blake November 28th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    “Nothing hurt the Yankees with Cano more than the Yankees themselves. Could/Should have addressed his extension 2 years ago.”

    Agree….their outdated policy on extensions really hurts them in some cases

  27. Shame Spencer November 28th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Guys like Martin should never be overpaid and overextended… save that sh*t for guys like Cano.

    Jenny from the Block Yankees!!!!!

  28. blake November 28th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    If Martin won’t do a one year deal then Id sign or trade for the best back up I could find and then hope to goodness that Romine is ready…..there just isn’t really anybody out there id committ multiple years to given their budget concerns

  29. Jerkface November 28th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Thanks. To me they are the same, because it takes one to achieve the other.

    Not really the same. Anyone can take up plate appearances, starts, or innings without actually being good. All it takes is a lack of options (or an expensive contract). AJ Burnett was terrible for 2 years and got 33 starts each, he would likely hit any incentive bonus given to him.

    Games finished is also tricky because it just means pitching the last inning. Derek Lowe had 10 GF for the team last year, though this probably the safest incentive since you can set it at something high like 30 which is hard for a non-closer to reach.

    The others though do not really apply to playing well, and turns into a problem where the manager may be forced to sit the player to avoid hitting any incentive or option escalator.

  30. Warning Track Power November 28th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    I want Matin on this team, but his price is very high. The alternatives are either poor, risky or not worth the pain.

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock November 28th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    He’s only 30. I wouldn’t worry too much about his age. Yankees gave Posada a 4 year deal for his 36-39 seasons.
    ///

    That’s Jorge Posada you’re referencing. He is not a comp for Martin.

  32. blake November 28th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    How much more would Martin produce than a Romine/soto tandem for example? Would it be enough to warrant putting 8-10 million on the payroll for 3 years? I kinda doubt it

  33. AAA November 28th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Guys like Martin should never be overpaid and overextended

    =============================

    He’s the beneficiary of great timing. Far fewer legit MLB starting catchers on the market than there are teams who need one. He’ll get 3 years somewhere and pretty decent money ($8-$9M per). You can virtually bank on it.

  34. blake November 28th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Transactions and deals flying today because of tender date move to Nov 30 due to new CBA..which should also propel real busy Winter Meetings

  35. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Cano hired Boras in Feb 2011 – nearly two years ago – and given he was between agents in that offseason – doubtful he would have signed an extension.

    If there was a time to have done an extension with Cano it was when he signed his current deal – should it have been more Ryan Braun/Longoria centered – more years – perhaps.

    There are both pros and cons signing players early to contracts. The Yanks did it with Cano – but not Wang – that turned out good. Same with Granderson – had they added on to his current contract for say 17 million a year when they acquired him or after his top 5 MVP performance last year – he could be on the books past this upcoming season. They now have a little flexibility. Additionally, had the Yanks locked up Joba longterm – say in a Matt Moore type deal after the 2007 season – that would have been less than desirable now given Joba’s injury history and conditioning issues. Same with Phil Hughes.

    I don’t believe there should be a policy one way or another when to give extensions – case by case basis – it depends on the player, circumstances, scouts, and gut feeling – - – -

  36. AAA November 28th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    That’s Jorge Posada you’re referencing. He is not a comp for Martin.

    ===================================

    For what he gave you in those 4 years, he was close, but for what he was prior to those years, of course he’s not.

  37. Against All Odds November 28th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    yankeefeminista November 28th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Sign Soria and move Joba back to the rotation. :)

    ———————-

    Yes please lol

  38. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    real busy Winter Meetings

    *****

    I love the rumor mill in the offseason – so appropriate it happens around the holidays – - – -

  39. Jerkface November 28th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    The Yankees should have been looking ahead to the market and offered him the QO like Blake & I suggested. At worst you pay a slight premium for 1 year on a guy, at best you get compensation when he leaves.

    Someone earlier poopoo’d the comp pick but it is actually pretty important. Every comp pick increases the draft pool for the team up to a million dollars per pick potentially. That is a lot of overslot you can go on guys later in the draft if you take a safe pick with the comp pick. Or with multiple comp picks you can take a signability guy and then some safe ones and go overslot on the signability guy.

    Acquiring lots of top 10 draft picks is now very important because of the way the draft pool works.

  40. Warning Track Power November 28th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Besides Martin, the pickings are slim down in the minors.
    I think the Yankees have to sign Martin on the condition that he might be traded before the life of his contract expires.
    Can Romine be the catcher of the future? Will someone else in the minors be that catcher of the future?
    Imagine starting the season with Romine(unproven) and either Eli Whiteside/Cervelli?
    That could be worse than the 2012 Rays with Jose Molina as their starting catcher

  41. Chip November 28th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    blake November 28th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    “Nothing hurt the Yankees with Cano more than the Yankees themselves. Could/Should have addressed his extension 2 years ago.”

    Agree….their outdated policy on extensions really hurts them in some cases
    ———————-

    Yup, but unfortunately the only way to rectify it is to replace Cashman from someone outside the organization. If they were to break from the policy now then the New York press would try to stir some stuff about why is this guy more deserving than Jeter, Mo, etc…

    So you bring in someone new from outside the org and he brings with him all new policies. Not that any of this helps with Cano.

  42. Shame Spencer November 28th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    AAA November 28th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    That’s Jorge Posada you’re referencing. He is not a comp for Martin.

    ===================================

    For what he gave you in those 4 years, he was close, but for what he was prior to those years, of course he’s not.

    ——————-

    You should check the numbers again… Jorgie gave them a lot more in those last four years than Martin.

  43. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Will someone else in the minors be that catcher of the future?

    ***

    Possibly Murphy next up – he is already in AA. A bunch of their hitting catchers are getting converted to other positions, first with Austin, then Greg Bird, and probably O’Brien at some point – - – -Sanchez though is holding for the time being – - – -

  44. Shame Spencer November 28th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    ?@Buster_ESPN

    The Yankees have finished the Andy Pettitte deal, for a salary of $12 million, plus award bonuses.

  45. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Welcome back Andy!!!

  46. blake November 28th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    “Acquiring lots of top 10 draft picks is now very important because of the way the draft pool works.”

    Not to mention that the more lottery tickets you buy the better chance to have to actually win on one

  47. blake November 28th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Pretty good rotation set now…..get to work on the offense Cash

  48. Jerkface November 28th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Not to mention that the more lottery tickets you buy the better chance to have to actually win on one

    Thats true, the cashier at the 7-11 said a guy bought 600 dollars worth of powerball tickets yesterday. Be that guy, Yankees, be that guy!

  49. Jerkface November 28th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    I wonder what award bonuses Andy can get, Cy Young/MVP are banned from contracts now. Gold Glove? ALCS MVP? WS MVP? Not much left in there for a pitcher to get.

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock November 28th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Are you kidding?

    Posada is a SH who OPS’d over .800 for two of those four years, including nearly .900 in 2009; that year, at age 38, his slash line was .285/.363/.522 .885, and he got some clutch hits in the championship run.

    Even though he had a disaster 2011 against LH, he still rode some left-handed power to will them to win the division in the stretch run and could still summon his hitting guile to bat over .400 in a losing cause against Detroit in the ALDS – at age 40.

    That’s why you give Posada a multi-year deal, even if you begrudgingly had to give a fourth year.

  51. AAA November 28th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    You should check the numbers again… Jorgie gave them a lot more in those last four years than Martin

    =============================

    No, he didn’t. Posada averaged less than 50 games started at catcher per season over the term of that contract and was a strong offensive contributor in 1 of them

    Look at it this way. Over the last 4 years of his career, Posada’s fWAR was 3.8

    Martin’s has been 5.2 in the 2 seasons he’s been with the Yankees. The actual “catching” part is important too.

    My larger point was that signing a guy to catch at age 30 carries infinitely less risk than doing the same for one who is 36.

  52. Hassey November 28th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Hey, two good people don’t always get along even if they are both good people and both committed Yankee fans. My online persona may have usually mixed with GB7′s online persona about as well as oil and water….I like to think that in real life, the same may not have been the case. Would it therefore be hypocritical of me to now say I’m sorry he’s gone? Our few online interactions could surely have been handled differently. I remember he and I arguing about Mike Stanton vs. Boone Logan at about 3am when literally no one else was posting for a good 45 mintues. Can you believe an old timer like him preferred Logan?

  53. Triple Short of a Cycle November 28th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    If the Yanks hang onto Cano, it will be a replay of the Swisher Saga. Guy puts up good numbers in the regular season, tanks in the playoffs, everyone is happy to see him go

    ——————————————————–

    2010 and 2011 say hi

  54. Shame Spencer November 28th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Glove – http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....lp00000003

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock November 28th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    He also spectacularly earned that deal, hitting .338 and OPS’ing .970 the year before.

  56. Triple Short of a Cycle November 28th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Thats true, the cashier at the 7-11 said a guy bought 600 dollars worth of powerball tickets yesterday. Be that guy, Yankees, be that guy!

    ————————————————-

    I love how some people only start playing power ball when it gets this high, as if 100 million isn’t enough to live off of.

    Lotto is the biggest regressive tax going

  57. Warning Track Power November 28th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    Welcome back Andy

    I’ll take 12 wins please in 2013 & maybe 3 in the post-season.

  58. Hassey November 28th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Lotto is only a tax to gambling addicts – to most everyone else, it’s an elective purchase

  59. blake November 28th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    I read somewhere that a person was 17 x more likely to become president than to win the lottery

  60. J. Alfred Prufrock November 28th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Martin’s has been 5.2 in the 2 seasons he’s been with the Yankees. The actual “catching” part is important too.
    ///

    Yeah, his defense clearly cost them championships :roll:

  61. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    I think back to the last couple seasons Posada actually caught, (Not DH’d), and the other teams were running on him at will. It was embarassing. Martin would Not be Posada’s age at the conclusion of a 3 or 4 yr deal, but you get the idea. Some of you have swallowed that hogwash that Cashman was throwing around concerning Martin. Spit it out.

  62. blake November 28th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Maybe Cashman can get Ibanez locked up at the winter meetings :|

  63. AAA November 28th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    He also spectacularly earned that deal, hitting .338 and OPS’ing .970 the year before.

    ======================================

    That’s really not the argument. Most deals like that are about what’s done, rather than what will be done. He did deserve it. He just wasn’t worth it.

    And again, my initial point was that there should be no fear of physical depreciation at C when considering a contract for a 30 year old.

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock November 28th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    My larger point was that signing a guy to catch at age 30 carries infinitely less risk than doing the same for one who is 36.
    ///

    If your point is the 30 year old’s hitting probably could not get any worse, you may have a point.

    But – the 36 year old, I think, could still eke out a tough AB, even now. Some have it, some don’t :D

  65. Shame Spencer November 28th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    I’d think the Yankees deciding Jorgie was a DH in 2011 and his injury in 2008 accounts for his average playing time as a starting C…

    I get the overall point you’re making about how Martin would be less of a risk given his age, but they’re two completely different players. You could’ve kept a guy like Jorgie around to DH. Martin doesn’t have the same tools. I think he can hit better than .200ish but I dunno by how much.

  66. Shame Spencer November 28th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    blake November 28th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Maybe Cashman can get Ibanez locked up at the winter meetings :|

    ———————

    Priorities.

  67. Patrick November 28th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Andy is back! Nice…

    Now Rivera, after that bring Ichiro back and away we go

  68. Jerkface November 28th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Posada caught ~100 games each in 2009 and 2010 and hit .266 .360 .488 .848 over that span. I think that makes him worth it.

  69. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    You guys wanta get away from the all-or-nothing approach at the plate? Start by letting Martin walk.

  70. blake November 28th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Martin could be better than he is at the plate ImO….he goes through stretches where he really has a pretty good approach at the plate…..he walks….he stays within himself and uses the whole field….then he has others stretches where honestly it just looks like he’s up there to swing as hard as possible 3 times.

    There is value in a catcher that can catch full time and hit 21 homers….which is why his market is what it is….but again this budget had a big impact on how the Yankees should operate….

    They only have so much payroll space and they need to save it for guys who are significantly better than a replacement player at the position

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock November 28th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Well, the reason you don’t do it is because the guy isn’t very good now, as he nears the end of prime years.

    Posada, also, had started as a 2B and was hitting .338 when they locked him up. He was still resilient and the odds were they would still get a couple of decent years out of him, and they did.

  72. AAA November 28th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    I’d think the Yankees deciding Jorgie was a DH in 2011 and his injury in 2008 accounts for his average playing time as a starting C…

    ====================================

    Most starts he made at C for any year of that contract was 88

  73. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    There’s Definitely an useasy feeling to bringing back basically the same team that exited the ALCS in 4 straight.

  74. AAA November 28th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Well, the reason you don’t do it is because the guy isn’t very good now, as he nears the end of prime years.

    ==================================

    Don’t necessarily disagree, though I think the organization does.

  75. Hassey November 28th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    even with his 21 HRs and his late season “hot” streaks, there were simply too many LOOOOONG stretches where Martin hurt our lineup much more than he helped it…about 140 games worth of the season, no? Nice guy, the demanor of an intense Canadian hockey player, but the Martin Swisher era has to end sometime and I hope this Winter is it.

  76. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    There’s a difference between “having value”, and having “4yrs of value”. Too Much, Too Long.

  77. Hassey November 28th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Too Legit To Quit

  78. J. Alfred Prufrock November 28th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    blake, you’ve said this before that you think he should be better (surely better than .200), but I don’t agree too much with that.

    He waves at the ball and seems off balance to me too often. I don’t think he is too good at pitch recognition, either. I mean, he doesn’t come close at times. Yeah, he goes through a little run where he takes the ball the other way, but he can’t seem to sustain that, and that is who he is, IMO – a guy who can’t sustain that. He also hits mistake pitches out of the park. It’s always something that hung up there or gophered over. He doesn’t ever leave a pitcher shaking his head.

  79. blake November 28th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    The Yankees used to be able to pay extra money for marginal upgrades at positions….. They can’t do it as much anymore

  80. The Return of Stoneburner November 28th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    There’s Definitely an useasy feeling to bringing back basically the same team that exited the ALCS in 4 straight.

    *******

    Almost – Jeter only played one of those 4 in the ALCS – - – -

  81. AAA November 28th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    There’s a difference between “having value”, and having “4yrs of value”. Too Much, Too Long.

    ================================

    Well, as Prufrock and others point out, an extension was merited and the market was such that they did not have a choice on the 4 years.

  82. blake November 28th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    “blake, you’ve said this before that you think he should be better (surely better than .200), but I don’t agree too much with that.”

    All I mean is that I think physically he could be a better hitter….he has bat speed and his swing can be pretty short ….to me the issue is that he just doesn’t have a consistent quality approach…..Some of that is fixable …..some probably not

  83. blake November 28th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Basically what Im saying is that I think he’s got the physical tools to be a better overall hitter…..that doesn’t mean he ever will be

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    Right….his approach isn’t consistent now…..he swings at times at he’s literally looking up in the LF stands somewhere when the ball hits the mitt

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