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Martin reportedly agrees to terms with Pittsburgh

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 29, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees top choice at catcher is off the market.

According to Ken Rosenthal and David Waldstein, Martin has agreed to a two-year, $17-million deal with the Pirates. For the past few days, Pittsburgh has emerged as a favorite to sign Martin, and now the Yankees are without their top choice behind the plate.

Martin spent the past two years with the Yankees, and although his batting average has dipped considerably, he remains a potent power hitter with a good eye and a strong defensive reputation. In a thin catching market, there are few alternatives available.

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241 Responses to “Martin reportedly agrees to terms with Pittsburgh”

  1. Brian Cashman GMGMGM November 29th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE-9mwfTXlc

    $$$$ Carlos Santana $$$$

  2. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    I wonder how many writers just scrapped their columns for tomorrow…

  3. Nick in SF November 29th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    The good thing about the Pirates is that they might pick up some salary if they trade Martin back to the Yanks. :neutral:

  4. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    Lothar – Santana costs like $4.2 million and is controlled through 2016.

  5. LGY November 29th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    Shame Spencer says: November 29, 2012 at 9:25 pm @JonHeymanCBS

    #yankees saw martin as worth $6M a yr, maybe a tick more. cerveli is a v. good backup. they need a starting C but have time

    ——-

    A guy they compared to Thurman Munson only worth $6M per. That’s pretty funny.

  6. blake November 29th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    blake says:
    November 29, 2012 at 9:27 pm
    Carlos Santana would be sweet but why would the indians trade him now?

  7. jmills November 29th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    I was pretty impressed with Pittsburgh – they have a WW2 sub you can go in.

  8. Brian Cashman GMGMGM November 29th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    $$$$

  9. EA November 29th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    No problem with Cervelli/Romine/Stewart going into the year. Yanks can always pick up someone at the deadline if they need like a Rod Barajas or Jon Buck

  10. mick November 29th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    santana is making 18m from 2014-16.
    forget him…

  11. spidanyc November 29th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    What’s the fuss about? Romine is a solid Defensive catcher. With the money the Yankees don’t have to pay Martin, Swish and Rafael Soriano……….hello JOSH HAMILTON!!!!

  12. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Yeah Santana is a pipe dream like everything else I suppose.. but even though I think they’ll wait until the trade deadline to actually do something (and only if they have to), I’ll keep hope alive.

  13. Jerkface November 29th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    santana is making 18m from 2014-16.
    forget him…

    His AAV hit for the 189 is only 4.

  14. mick November 29th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Why no tweets from Martin?
    If you’re off the team the tweeting stops?
    Hmmm….

  15. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    mick November 29th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    santana is making 18m from 2014-16.
    forget him…

    ————

    shouldnt the AAV matter more?

  16. blake November 29th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    I wanted them to let Martin go…..but I would have felt better about it if the Pirates had have him like 3/27 or something

  17. Nick in SF November 29th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    “A guy they compared to Thurman Munson only worth $6M per. That’s pretty funny.”

    That tells you how seriously people should take their rhetoric, yet people plotz about it left and right.

  18. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    And the option for 2017 is a team one I think.

  19. blake November 29th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    Does Martin still hate the Red Sox?

  20. Nick in SF November 29th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Red Sox hate shifted to a team to be named later (do the Pirates have a rival???).

  21. austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Hello lower payroll.

  22. blake November 29th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    It’s really surprising to me that Martin took that deal ….the Rangers, Dodgers, Yankees all need a catcher…..must have really wanted to see AJ again

  23. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    @baldvinny

    Kinda surprised the yanks didn’t make the same offer RT @shotime40: Wow Russell Martin is gone ???? how does @baldvinny feel about this

    —————

    Bald Vinny is surprised.

  24. mick November 29th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    shouldnt the AAV matter more?
    =====================
    good question.
    Hal prolly weighs both the AAV vs the actual money paid out and in 2017 he is owed 12m at age 31 with a team option for 1.2m.

  25. Patrick November 29th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    Good move by Cashman to pass on that deal. $17 million is not worth the benefit Martin gives you over Cervelli.

  26. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Your 2013 Yankees catcher – at least one of them:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoSiKpqvD9Q

    Welcome back Cisco – - – -

  27. Ys Guy November 29th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    the indians only have to shell out $4M to santana the next 2 seasons (.5m this year and 3.5m next) then he gets expensive ($6M then $8.25M with a club option for 2017).

    he regressed a little last season but he’s still worth more than they have to pay him the next couple of years so there’s no reason for them to move him, especially if they are trying to go cheap.

  28. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    blake November 29th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    It’s really surprising to me that Martin took that deal ….the Rangers, Dodgers, Yankees all need a catcher…..must have really wanted to see AJ again

    —————-

    I though a lot of the stories were agent driven, as they tend to be.. but I did think he get more. I fell into their trap!!

    But it sounds like the Yanks didn’t expect him to be back. They’re either ready to throw Romine into the fire or saw they could get to the playoffs without much pop at that position and figure they can make it by with a hodgepodge of guys at the dish.

  29. mick November 29th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    would it be hypocritical for the Yanks to make an offer to Napoli?

  30. Nick in SF November 29th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    It will amuse me to no end if Russ or sources close to Russ talk about how the NYC party scene was a distraction and a more serious and mature Russ will be arriving in Pittsburgh (in even better shape, natch). Then we can wryly observe that Russell Martin is the embodiment of the Hamilton fears about playing in the big city.

  31. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    It’s really surprising to me that Martin took that deal ….the Rangers, Dodgers, Yankees all need a catcher…..must have really wanted to see AJ again

    *****

    Naah – more like Taillon and Cole – - – -

  32. blake November 29th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Patrick says:
    November 29, 2012 at 9:38 pm
    Good move by Cashman to pass on that deal. $17 million is not worth the benefit Martin gives you over Cervelli.

    Yea….I wouldn’t have given him 2 years….. But info wonder who will catch

  33. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Yeah I doubt the Braves would part with him and the reality is if they’re sticking with the budget they need to keep their young, cost controlled guys that are good.. and the good ones are what it would take to get Santana.

  34. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    would it be hypocritical for the Yanks to make an offer to Napoli?

    *****

    Naaah – Yanks do not really mind what a bunch of bloggers on lohud think or their unrelenting fascination with Montero – - – -

  35. Jerkface November 29th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Hal prolly weighs both the AAV vs the actual money paid out and in 2017 he is owed 12m at age 31 with a team option for 1.2m.

    Thats a 12 mil option with a 1.2 mil buyout.

  36. Tar November 29th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Martin was a good catcher. Wish he had hit some more though.

    I think if the Yankees go with the current crop of catchers (really, really doubt it), some of you Martin haters are going to be pissed off that the Yankees didn’t re-sign him. Especially on a 2 year deal.

  37. mick November 29th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Napoli wouldn’t provide the defense Girardi requires.

  38. Nick in SF November 29th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    How does Martin’s 2012 salary + his Pirates deal compare with the 3-year Yanks deal he turned down a year ago?

  39. austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    You people who support losing players do realize that we as fans will have a worse team to watch, don’t you. Personally, a better team is more fun than drawing the salary line in the sand.

    I see no sign they will use the saved money except for marginal players. Pierzynski is too young at 36.

  40. Duh Innings II November 29th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    It is ridiculous that the Yankees didn’t offer Martin basically a measly $1M raise for 2013 and the same contract. What – they thought Martin would accept only a one-year deal for $7.5-8.5M? A two-year deal for what he made in 2012 ($7.5M) per year? They couldn’t do $2M better than 2 years and $15M?

    It is ridiculous that Martin signed away two years of his career with a team who has no legitimate chance at winning the 2013 or 2014 World Series. He showed he is all about his security, comfort, and money than winning as how could he sign with the Pirates after the Yanks just re-signed Pettitte and are abou to re-sign Rivera? He’d rather catch A.J. Burnett than C.C. Sabathia, I guess. He couldn’t wait until the Yanks completed their key re-signings? It’s not even December yet. He’s also an ingrate cuz the Yanks signed him when no one save the Red Sox wanted him and the Red Sox probably only wanted to drive up the price in money and years for the the Yanks by offering him a multi-year deal for more money than the one-year $4M contract the Yanks offered him.

    Bad jobs by the Yankees/Cashman and Martin/his agent, but the good news is he’s out of the American League and the Yanks don’t play the Pirates in 2013 so he can’t hurt the Yankees directly save in the 2013 All-Star Game and/or 2013 World Series.

    The Yanks should offer A.J. Pierzynski a year and $8.5M (a $2.5M raise) and see if he takes it. I think he would as no way anyone is giving him more than a year at his age or a cent more than what Martin will make in 2013. I’d look at him as merely Jorge Posada Revisited: a catcher you have more for his bat than his glove. I mean who but an idiot wouldn’t sign up for the 27 HR and 74 RBI he posted for the Chicago White Sox this past season for 2013? I’d be thrilled with 20 HR and 60 RBI from him I think he’s capable of posting better than even at his advanced age. That’s only one less homerun and 7 more RBI than 2012 Martin. Yeah worse defense but Posada was subpar defensively and it didn’t hurt the Yanks (two AL pennants in 2001 and 2003 sandwiched between two World Series championships in 2000 and 2009 where Posada was the full-time catcher plus the 1999 WSC with Posada as the primary catcher who shared the position with Girardi.

    The Yanks cannot have Whiteside/Stewart as their 2013 catcher (forget any combination of two among them, Cervelli, and Romine – the Yanks are not going with that.)

    Pierzynski = Posada when he was good. Sacrifice defense for offense.

  41. blake November 29th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Nick in SF says:
    November 29, 2012 at 9:44 pm
    How does Martin’s 2012 salary + his Pirates deal compare with the 3-year Yanks deal he turned down a year ago?

    4 million less guaranteed money but more per year

  42. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Tar November 29th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Martin was a good catcher. Wish he had hit some more though.

    I think if the Yankees go with the current crop of catchers (really, really doubt it), some of you Martin haters are going to be pissed off that the Yankees didn’t re-sign him. Especially on a 2 year deal.

    ———————

    I think we all expect to see pretty poor numbers from that bunch.. but Martin was soooo terrible in the first half and a good chunk of the second half last year, I just think while we’d still complain we’d always know it wasn’t worth the cost. And I mean ‘worth the cost’ given the Yankees new financial situation. If this were a team not worried about money they’d keep Russ around for that type of deal.

  43. Ys Guy November 29th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    santana’s contract would be awesome for the yankees. the bigger money at the end is fine b/c the aav is really low. but for the next 2 years its extremely advantageous for the indians plus they won’t want to ‘sell low’ on him after a down year.

    i’d LOVE to see that happen but it would make no sense for the indians.

  44. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    They didn’t even make an offer….

    Maybe they’ll just let all their contracts run out and replace them with in-house players.

  45. jmills November 29th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Catcher is probably the one position whereby contemporary stats can be tossed. Gene Tenance, Pat Borders, to hell with the seasoned tally.

  46. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    We just don’t have enough pieces we can afford to give up for Santana.

  47. Jerkface November 29th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Hal prolly weighs both the AAV vs the actual money paid out and in 2017 he is owed 12m at age 31 with a team option for 1.2m.

    Well he made 7.5 last year and turned down 3/21 so he passed on 4/28.5 for 3/23

  48. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank November 29th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    CE la vie,,,, good riddance , sub avg defense , sub avg Mendoza …

  49. Brian Cashman GMGMGM November 29th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    Oh really?

    $

  50. Nick in SF November 29th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    “4 million less guaranteed money but more per year”

    Thanks, but I don’t understand. Probably jet lag.

  51. Jerkface November 29th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Cervelli will not be a bad platoon catcher if he is used next year. He actually handles LHP pretty well with a very nice OBP. The problem is the part of the platoon for RHP.

  52. mick November 29th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    Hal prolly wrote Martin off when he turned down their 3/21 offer.
    He’s not into bargaining .
    Can’t wait till the Cano “talks” begin…

  53. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    If Hamilton left, finding a new outfielder is “not necessarily our first priority,” Daniels said, noting that he is happy with Texas’ internal outfield options.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#2cuKohlV4WIAkq1w.99

    ****

    Jon Daniels doing his best Brian Cashman Bubba Crosby impersonation – - – -

  54. Nick in SF November 29th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    Wasn’t 2012 the first year of the 3/21 that Russ passed on? Or no?

  55. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    mick November 29th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    Hal prolly wrote Martin off when he turned down their 3/21 offer.
    He’s not into bargaining .
    Can’t wait till the Cano “talks” begin…

    ——————–

    Could you imagine if they don’t make Cano an offer :lol:

  56. EA November 29th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    DavidWaldstein
    Martin said he loved playing in New York but it was a business decision. Said the Yankees told him they didn’t have the cash to match.

  57. mick November 29th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    he passed on 4/28.5 for 3/23
    ====================
    so he made out better aav-wise.

  58. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Could you imagine if they don’t make Cano an offer

    *****

    No – they will probably at the very least offer the QO even if they go all Rangers attitude towards Josh Hamilton on him – - – -

  59. mick November 29th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Could you imagine if they don’t make Cano an offer
    ============================
    They might not if he comes to them with one they can’t meet.

  60. blake November 29th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    “Jon Daniels doing his best Brian Cashman Bubba Crosby impersonation – – – -”

    Not really….they could put Kinsler in the outfield and play Profar at 2b….or Profar in the OF

  61. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    DavidWaldstein
    Martin said he loved playing in New York but it was a business decision. Said the Yankees told him they didn’t have the cash to match.

    *****

    That’s kind of cool – it is the baseball breakup version of “Russ it’s not you, it’s me- – - -”

  62. blake November 29th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    EA says:
    November 29, 2012 at 9:54 pm
    DavidWaldstein
    Martin said he loved playing in New York but it was a business decision. Said the Yankees told him they didn’t have the cash to match.

    Lol

  63. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    “Jon Daniels doing his best Brian Cashman Bubba Crosby impersonation – – – -”

    Not really….they could put Kinsler in the outfield and play Profar at 2b….or Profar in the OF

    ******

    Yeah – that’s not happening – unless Daniels and the Rangers front office misrepresented on the radio down here in Dallas – try again – - – -

  64. blake November 29th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    The Rangers made Russell Martin a two-year contract offer, tweets ESPN’s Buster Olney. Martin agreed to a two-year, $17MM deal with the Pirates earlier today.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....EdmDP0R.99

  65. longtimefan November 29th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    As the old Roy Clark songs states. “thank god and greyhound he’s gone”

  66. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Is Romine any good against righties? Can he hit .180??

  67. blake November 29th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    “Yeah – that’s not happening – unless Daniels and the Rangers front office misrepresented on the radio down here in Dallas – try again – – – -”

    Kinsler has said he would play wherever….not saying it will happen but it could…. They have to get Prodar in the lineup somewhere

  68. mick November 29th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Imagine if Mo or Andy played Hal for an extra 1m they could get elsewhere.
    Would he show them the door like he did Martin?

    They wouldn’t do it, j/k.

  69. Jerkface November 29th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Wasn’t 2012 the first year of the 3/21 that Russ passed on? Or no?

    I thought it was an extension on top of the deal he agreed to before the arbitration deadline.

  70. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Kinsler has said he would play wherever….not saying it will happen but it could…. They have to get Prodar in the lineup somewhere

    ******

    Not happening – at least from what the Rangers people are saying on the radio down here – - – -

  71. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    We should all take a moment to reflect on our time with Russell Martin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA

  72. mick November 29th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Popovich must be a genius sitting Parker, Ginobli and Duncan and the Spurs are still beating the Heat.

  73. austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Romine did hit over .220 in the hitting friendly AFL.

  74. blake November 29th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    “Not happening – at least from what the Rangers people are saying on the radio down here – – – -”

    Because that’s always accurate….lemmi ask you this….where is Profar gonna play? Unless they cave and deal Andrus for Upton then Profar will either be at 2b or in the outfield next year…..

  75. Against All Odds November 29th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    mick November 29th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Could you imagine if they don’t make Cano anoffer

    ————-

    They would miss the ps in 2014

  76. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Source: #WhiteSox exploring addition of starting pitcher, lower-end type at the right price. Would give them flexibility to trade Floyd.

  77. jmills November 29th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Just pure virtue selfish Ayn Rand concerns here,…its going to be hard to find a worthwhile Canadian.

  78. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Because that’s always accurate….lemmi ask you this….where is Profar gonna play? Unless they cave and deal Andrus for Upton then Profar will either be at 2b or in the outfield next year…..

    *****

    Don’t know if it will be Upton – but you can answer your own question by looking at the potential surplus – especially if Hamilton is coming back, which is kind of looking like at this time – - – -

  79. blake November 29th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    They’ll make Cano an offer but it’ll probably be less than the Dodgers eleventy billion dollar deal

  80. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Romine did hit over .220 in the hitting friendly AFL.

    —————–

    Hmmm… I wonder how Martin would have hit in the AFL lol

  81. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    lower-end type at the right price

    *****

    Yanks have plenty of those – - – –

  82. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    blake November 29th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    They’ll make Cano an offer but it’ll probably be less than the Dodgers eleventy billion dollar deal

    ————————-

    I now picture Dr. Evil every time we discuss the Dodgers offering someone money.

  83. jmills November 29th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Shame,…which one’s Pink?

  84. blake November 29th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    “Don’t know if it will be Upton – but you can answer your own question by looking at the potential surplus – especially if Hamilton is coming back, which is kind of looking like at this time – – – -”

    I don’t think Hamilton is going back to Texas….and I think they will make room for Profar on the field

  85. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    I don’t think Hamilton is going back to Texas….and I think they will make room for Profar on the field

    ****

    the rumor winds think otherwise – at least for now – - – -

    Two rival executives tell CBS Sports’ Scott Miller that they think Hamilton will re-sign with Texas. “As long as Hamilton is willing to take a shorter contract, and I think he’s going to be forced into that,” said one NL executive. Miller also looks back at the original trade that brought Hamilton to the Rangers from the Reds, discussing the deal with then-Cincinnati GM Wayne Krivsky.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#OrTpYdQRGkgb7xfJ.99

  86. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    @russellmartin55

    I want to thank the @yankees organization and fans for treating me with class and respect… I will truly miss the city and people of NY.

    —————-

    Russ changed his twitter pic pretty quickly… unfollow. *click*

  87. blake November 29th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    The Dodgers ownership group wants sharks with laser beams on their heads!

  88. mick November 29th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    russellmartin55 I want to thank the @yankees organization and fans for treating me with class and respect… I will truly miss the city and people of NY. I was all about the money.

  89. blake November 29th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    We shall see on Hamilton….but I’ll be surprised if he goes back there…. Also will be surprised if Profar isn’t in their lineup every day

  90. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    I will truly miss the city and people of NY.

    ******

    but no mention of the lohud – - – -:(

    Quickly – lohud Kracken awaken and destroy – - – -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3hq82HOKhs

  91. blake November 29th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Did Martin really tweet he’s all about the money?

  92. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    We shall see on Hamilton….but I’ll be surprised if he goes back there…. Also will be surprised if Profar isn’t in their lineup every day

    ******

    Oh I don’t doubt Profar will be in there someway – - – -the others – - -well – - – -

  93. blake November 29th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Oh mick added that part I see

  94. mick November 29th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    gotcha blake!!! hahaha

  95. the vaunted chris November 29th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    If the Yanks never made him an offer, how was he all about the money?

  96. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    LGY November 29th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    Shame Spencer says: November 29, 2012 at 9:25 pm @JonHeymanCBS

    #yankees saw martin as worth $6M a yr, maybe a tick more. cerveli is a v. good backup. they need a starting C but have time

    ——-

    A guy they compared to Thurman Munson only worth $6M per. That’s pretty funny.
    ——————–

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – stop giving weight to what the Yankees (or any organization) says and pay attention to what they do.

    The Yankees told you that Montero was the future yet when they did everything they could to not play him

    The Yankees told you that Russ Martin was a vital cog in their lineup yet he’s not worth $8.5 a year (which by the way he’s not)

    They’ll probably wind up with someone like Rod Barajas or Chris Snyder or Geovanni Soto or Jesus Flores or Kelly Shoppach back there.

    On a separate note:

    Following the Span trade if the Twins are really willing to deal I would certainly reach out on Morneau and Willingham.

    Something like Nunez, Gardner and Warren for the pair. Put Willingham in LF with Granderson in CF and Ichiro in RF and Morneau at DH (rather than signing Ibanez)

    Then you have:

    Jeter
    Ichiro
    Cano
    Tex
    Alex
    Morneau
    Willingham
    Granderson
    Barajas/Snyder

  97. jmills November 29th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Money, give me that goody good bullsh!t

  98. mick November 29th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Joba_62

    I hope to be joining Martin in Pittsburgh in the near future. Love. Smile.

  99. Jerkface November 29th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    If the Yanks never made him an offer, how was he all about the money?

    Mick never claims to post rationally.

  100. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    blake November 29th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    The Dodgers ownership group wants sharks with laser beams on their heads!

    —————————-

    They’ll probably have a pool of them swimming in the outfield somewhere… a pool of liquid gold and diamond crusted tiles… eff the effing Dodgers!!!

    Jmills- Don’t remember Pink.

  101. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    blake November 29th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    We shall see on Hamilton….but I’ll be surprised if he goes back there…. Also will be surprised if Profar isn’t in their lineup every day
    —————–

    I think Hamilton and Napoli both wind up back in Texas.

  102. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 29th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    I was so happy to see some former/absent lohudders show back up over the past few days. It started to feel like good times at the ranch again. :)

    I’m going to share a thought that has nothing to do with Russell Martin, but I catch as catch can lately so am using this thread for the purpose of probably having people who really have a problem with my thinking have an even bigger one! The overall theme is that I think the Yankees are in for a rousing year with their pitching. But the thought manages to pull in several threads over the last few days. When Andy Pettitte testified at the Clemens hearing (HOF thread), the news the next day basically said that Andy had delivered a serious blow to the prosecution by backing off his previous testimony. The general opinion was that Andy did not want to testify against Clemens and so watered down his own testimony. I remember thinking at the time that Andy had definitely committed a wrong by doing that and there would be some payback for him down the line.

    A month and a half later, Andy broke his ankle and that certainly didn’t help the Yankee season. As soon as it happened it struck me as karma for his testimony at the Clemens hearing. My opinion.

    Well when I heard Andy was coming back again (hooray!) I got this feeling that his debt had already been paid and that he, CC, and Kuroda was the start of what will end up being the best rotation in the majors. A really strong feeling.

    I know there are others here who also believe in karma, so there may be some who don’t think what I’m saying is so outlandish. Back to the HOF thread – I’ll be stunned if Clemens makes it into the HOF. I think he has a ton of karma coming his way. He still has a trial in NY coming up, too.

    **************

    One of the most fun nonbaseball conversation I remember having here was the one about what toppings different posters put on their french fries. Then Sam Borden had a column about his favorite breakfasts that engendered a lot of discussion! Seeing some of the absent lohudders reminded me of those conversations. Then there were discussions that went on for days about peoples’ favorite movies. Something about guys and Ferris Bueller’s Day Off. The Great Lubowski was another one. I never saw either one but it seems that the guys really got into those two movies!

    Obviously there was a lot of baseball discussion, especially when the season was in swing, but there was also a camaraderie that allowed for all kinds of sharing. I have really missed that here. I think there was also more appreciation for what we had in front of us as opposed to the constant banging for more and more and more.

    Anyway, I really hope that some of those people find their way back here. The forum was never perfect – normal disagreement keeps it from perfection – but there is no question in my mind that it was better. It just seemed a bit kinder and gentler – and you didn’t get slammed upside the head for appreciating the Yankees, warts and all!

    :)

  103. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    I don’t think anyone takes what they say seriously… I think we mostly just mock it and then hold it against them when they prove it wasn’t true.

  104. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    According to Heyman the Yankees did offer Martin a 2 year deal at either 12 or 14 mil

  105. mick November 29th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Hard to follow that oratory but Martin being about the money has nothing to do with the Yanks offer or non-offer.

  106. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    I don’t think anyone takes what they say seriously… I think we mostly just mock it and then hold it against them when they prove it wasn’t true.

    ******

    Exactly – - – -We mock – - – -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ePTZezN_Iw

  107. RadioKev November 29th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Well, this isn’t a positive development. Hope we don’t sign the Pierz.

    Martin wasn’t great last season, but he was sure better than Romine…

  108. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    According to Heyman

    *****

    I am surprised old Jon did not bring in the old mystery team as well on this one – - – -

  109. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 29th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    And mel, wherever you are, please come back too!

  110. RadioKev November 29th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    I’m ticked off that we don’t get a pick.

  111. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    I don’t think anyone takes what they say seriously… I think we mostly just mock it and then hold it against them when they prove it wasn’t true.
    ————

    Fair enough.

    I also think that many of the same people who are bemoaning this as a sign of the Yankees being cheap would be the first ones to complain if the Yankees had overspent to keep Martin. He was likely the best catcher option on the market but that still doesn’t mean giving him $8.5/year is smart.

  112. austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    Chip,

    Do you really believe the Yankees would pay Morneau’s salary? I certainly don’t.

  113. jmills November 29th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    Hi Shame, well Pink + Floyd – I thought it was absurd that Roger Waters ended up spitting on his front row clients – must be some kind of crass business owner.

  114. jacksquat November 29th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    Martin did say “It was a business decision.”

  115. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    RadioKev November 29th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Well, this isn’t a positive development. Hope we don’t sign the Pierz.

    Martin wasn’t great last season, but he was sure better than Romine…
    ————–

    I think they’ll either look for a trade (Kurt Suzuki, Nik Hundley, Ramon Hernandez) or they will sign a guy like Barajas or Snyder – someone who will take a deal at less than a mil.

  116. RadioKev November 29th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    I also think that many of the same people who are bemoaning this as a sign of the Yankees being cheap would be the first ones to complain if the Yankees had overspent to keep Martin. He was likely the best catcher option on the market but that still doesn’t mean giving him $8.5/year is smart.
    ———-

    Overpaying Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera because of the good times isn’t necessarily smart either. I wonder if they would have came back for less.

  117. deleonj November 29th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    i think it’s good they left him walk away

  118. austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    To be clear, I wish they had made a competitive offer to Martin. I have been saying for some time he is better than the alternatives. Since they are not spending the savings, I see no reason to cheer a move making the team worse.

    This is, without question, a clear sign. Another one of the many fans don’t want to accept.

  119. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    I think what’s more frustrating is knowing this is the position we’re in… this whole move wasn’t so much about Martin as much as sort of waiting to see what the Yankees were really committing to. This whole off season is about if they’ll stick with their plans, we knew it would be. Now we’re all digesting it lol… but yeah everyone would have bugged if they kept Martin. It at least looks like they’re trying to effectively stick to this new path they’re on.

    trisha – No doubt Andy, CC, and Kuroda make a crazy good rotation. A lot of the talk this season will be about how they need to go all out this year because 2014 holds a much more questionable rotation. If Andy can find a way to give you 140-150 innings.. we should still be really good this year.

  120. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    The Pirates out-bidding the Yankees. #signsoftherapture

    The Yanks of course would say by choice man, by choice – - – -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lesRVU1RgNg

  121. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    RadioKev November 29th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    I also think that many of the same people who are bemoaning this as a sign of the Yankees being cheap would be the first ones to complain if the Yankees had overspent to keep Martin. He was likely the best catcher option on the market but that still doesn’t mean giving him $8.5/year is smart.
    ———-

    Overpaying Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera because of the good times isn’t necessarily smart either. I wonder if they would have came back for less.
    ————-

    Andy and Mo are both more effective even at their ages than Martin.

  122. Tar November 29th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Nice post Trish. I wanted to thank you for the nice words re: our friend GB. I knew you would find the right things to say, so thanks :D . I like this pic and borrowed it from one of his last posts.

    https://twitter.com/si_vault/status/225981338552000514/photo/1

  123. Tidrow November 29th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    i’ve never seen a player coming of such an abysmal year be revered by fans as is Martin. If the guy was under contract for 5 more years at a reasonable salary i wouldn’t want him back. What part of “terrible player” when describing Martin can’t people understand? Guy had one of the worst full seasons a Yankee has had in a very long time. Last years performance was nothing to write home about either. Are Yankee fans taking a cue from the front office and running scared when it comes to giving young guys a shot? I’d be willing to bet if you put Cervelli in there as a full time catcher by mid season people around here wouldn’t even remember who Martin was. I’ve never seen such an awfully performing player being so valued by fans for doing so little.

  124. RadioKev November 29th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    David Waldstein ?@DavidWaldstein
    Just cuz Yanks TOLD Martin they couldn’t come up with the $ doesn’t mean they don’t have it. course they do. Didn’t want to spend it on him.

  125. jacksquat November 29th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    What’s more likely?

    a) significant free agent, Pierzynski, Napoli

    b) cheap free agent

    c) cheap internal options, Cervelli, Romine, Stewart

    d) trade

  126. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS

    though others saw a possible 2 AJ tandem, #dodgers officials suggest a run at pierzynski is unlikely. http://cbsprt.co/YvVxG2

    ——————

    Most shocking news of the off season!

  127. Jerkface November 29th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    a) significant free agent, Pierzynski, Napoli

    b) cheap free agent

    c) cheap internal options, Cervelli, Romine, Stewart

    d) trade

    C

    B

    D

    A

    That is the order of likelihood I think?

  128. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    To be clear, I wish they had made a competitive offer to Martin. I have been saying for some time he is better than the alternatives. Since they are not spending the savings, I see no reason to cheer a move making the team worse.
    ———————

    If Heyman’s information is correct the Yankees did make a competitive offer to Martin. Given what he brings to the table, 2 years at 6 or 7 mil is plenty fair. The Pirates overpaid. Which is fine for them, they’re in a position where they have to overpay to get free agents to take them seriously.

  129. austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    I’d guess B.

  130. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    Is one of the not good Molinas available?

  131. RadioKev November 29th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    Chip,

    More effective relative to what? A reliever, and a starter, are more effective than a catcher (who’s clearly the top player at his position in the free agent market)?

    Andy and Mo are bigger overpays than Martin. We’re just more fond of them (and fair enough, I suppose).

  132. jmills November 29th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    Hi Trish, I don’t know about the karma thing , yet an existentialist I hardly have the read for. Friends call me crazy, and employees look at me sideways,….at this point one takes any rationale / complement ( even if slightly derogatory ) out there – attention of any given modality.

  133. austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    I believe others are saying no offer was made. Chip, is it acceptable to you as a fan to lose players and bring back lesser players to save money? I’m trying to see what I get out of watching a worse team.

    I think you are correct that they will sign one of the career back ups types as their starter. Disappointing, particularly when RF will be similarly handled.

  134. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    The Yankees can trade a nothing minor leaguer to the Nationals, get Kurt Suzuki who is no better or worse than Martin and put him behind the plate. Suzuki is due 6.5 this year (which fits right in where the Yankees were offering Martin) and then he has a club option for 2014 at 8.5 or a 650k buyout.

  135. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    C…. and B by the deadline.. maybe lol.

  136. RadioKev November 29th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    I’ll guess C, D, B, A

  137. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    Oh shoot.. I meant D by the deadline lol

  138. Tidrow November 29th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Can someone please explain to me what Martin did that is so hard to replace? Guy is a mediocre catcher whose best years are behind him and is a horrendous post season player. Did you not see him play this year? Did his performance not make you want to scream in frustration at how bad he was? What am i missing?

  139. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    I believe others are saying no offer was made. Chip, is it acceptable to you as a fan to lose players and bring back lesser players to save money? I’m trying to see what I get out of watching a worse team.

    I think you are correct that they will sign one of the career back ups types as their starter. Disappointing, particularly when RF will be similarly handled.
    —————-

    I think Russ Martin was the best catcher option on the market, I don’t believe that makes Russ Martin a good catcher though and that’s the difference. I honestly think that 2 years for $14 M (again, based on Heyman’s report) would have been an overpay. So no, I’m not particularly upset to see him go. I think that Barajas or Snyder or Shoppach or Suzuki can probably be just as good as Martin in the Yankee lineup. Whether they work as well with the pitchers? Who knows but that would be a greater worry to me if the Yankees had a very young pitching staff…they don’t. They have vets who have worked with all manner of catchers.

    The Yankees have given raises to keep Kuroda and bring back Andy. If they were solely interested in taking the cheap road they would have let Kuroda walk and gone for a lesser pitcher in his stead.

    I think RF will wind up being manned by Ichiro.

  140. austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    Glad to know the Nats would trade him for a nothing minor leaguer. Who else is available for nothing?

  141. Phranchise November 29th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    One of the big positives from last season was starting pitching. And I don’t care if Martin underproduced at the plate. It would be hard to find a catcher who played better defensicely and who handled a staff better. Overpay, does it matter for 2 years. Your prospects are at least 2 years away. Do you suddenly go cheap at one of the most important positions in baseball? I would rather see less money spent on a rf than a cacther. This is a terrible error by the yankees in a year where you might see grandy gardner and ichiro in the outfield with jeter at short you can’t carry another really weak bat without and maybe not get the defense you had.

  142. RadioKev November 29th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    A guy like Swisher, far more productive than Martin, letting him walk away is OK by me. That’s a bigger contract, with more commitment and inevitable decline, and also at a position with more internal replacement options.

    We’re talking what, being outbid for Martin by about $4 mil? With no real viable free agent options, and no real viable internal options? That’s cheap and frustrating.

  143. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Overpay, does it matter for 2 years.

    —————–

    It matters because one of those two years is 2014.

    They’re serious.

    And we’re f*cked.

  144. RadioKev November 29th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Tidrow November 29th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
    Can someone please explain to me what Martin did that is so hard to replace? Guy is a mediocre catcher whose best years are behind him and is a horrendous post season player. Did you not see him play this year? Did his performance not make you want to scream in frustration at how bad he was? What am i missing?
    ———

    All the other catchers we could possibly field.

  145. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    As long as none of our players run into any of our other players backsides I suppose we can emotionally survive the season.

  146. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Extend Hughes… at least try!

  147. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Gotta capitalize on your non-Boras repped clients!

  148. Tidrow November 29th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    How great defensively could he have been when the ace of the staff had Stewart as his personal catcher. Pitchers make catchers not the other way around. Posada was one of the worst defensive catchers in baseball yet year in and year out in the 90s the Yankees were top 3 in pitching.

  149. Tar November 29th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Tidrow

    “Martin’s ability to frame pitches is recognized throughout baseball. Through extensive statistical research, Max Marchi of Baseball Prospectus recently pinpointed Martin as the second best catcher (behind Brian McCann) in the major leagues over the past four years in framing pitches — receiving that borderline pitch and influencing umpires to call a strike.

    Cashman said he “very much so” takes advanced statistics and research into consideration when evaluating the work of a catcher. With the wealth of data now available via the Pitch f/x system, researchers like Marchi are digging into catchers’ abilities in framing pitches, blocking pitches in the dirt, controlling the running game and fielding bunts. A major reason the Rays signed career backup Jose Molina to become their starting catcher was data that showed he was one of the best at framing.”

  150. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    We need a Molina.

  151. jacksquat November 29th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Everyone should wait and see what the Yankees do before criticizing not resigning Martin.

  152. Jerkface November 29th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Everyone should wait and see what the Yankees do before criticizing not resigning Martin.

    Do we also have to wait & see if we are celebrating it?

  153. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    criticizing not resigning Martin.

    ******

    Is the lohud criticizing not resigning Martin? Last year they had him pegged in the conspiracy to get rid of Montero as the shooter behind the grassy knoll – - – -

  154. blake November 29th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Who is critizing them for not signing Martin?

  155. jmills November 29th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    I’d rather have Jeff Mathis than John Buck…

  156. yankeefeminista November 29th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    How could we let one of the greatest pitch framers ever get away? SMH.

  157. Tidrow November 29th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    That’s the problem with the modern day Yankee FO too much reliance on statitistics and not enough on what your eyes see. I have yet to see a catcher make a mediocre pitching staff great by his ability to frame pitches. Pitchers either can pitch or they can’t. Bottom line Martin was a below average catcher who i believe will be easily replaced.

  158. SoS November 29th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    What is up fellas. Just wanted to give a quick shout out to cashman and gang. Bravo.. never give a contract to someon that hits less than his weight. Even if he has the belt for best clubhouse guy. Martin should have called pudge on how to lose 40 pounds in two months. Im on your side tidrow.

  159. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    Glad to know the Nats would trade him for a nothing minor leaguer. Who else is available for nothing?
    —————

    Nats would trade him because they’re getting their starting catcher (Wilson Ramos) back from injury this year and $6.5 M is too much to pay a Kurt to back-up.

    Suzuki’s numbers in Oakland were awful, but after getting out of that hitter’s purgatory and to the Nats he hit .267 with a .321 OBP .725 OPS. All of which are better than Martin’s numbers.

  160. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    Probably very high asking price and isn’t a good catcher. RT @LawnRanger60 Think the Yankees will start talking to Mike Napoli also?

  161. RadioKev November 29th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    blake November 29th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
    Who is critizing them for not signing Martin?
    ———

    At least one guy.

  162. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    Chris Stewart/Austin Romine combination might work. Before everyone cries “but there’s no offense!,” remember that Martin can’t hit either.

  163. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    @MHunterYGY I’m not a huge fan of Martin’s defense. It’s good but not good enough to overpay for him especially since he has no bat.

  164. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Jerkface November 29th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Everyone should wait and see what the Yankees do before criticizing not resigning Martin.

    Do we also have to wait & see if we are celebrating it?
    ——————-

    No, the celebration comes from not overpaying to keep him.

  165. RadioKev November 29th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    Chris Stewart/Austin Romine combination might work. Before everyone cries “but there’s no offense!,” remember that Martin can’t hit either.
    ———–

    Chris Stewart isn’t even in Russell Martin’s league. That’s the sad part. Maybe Romine does better, but who knows. If he doesn’t hit better and handles the pitching staff worse/plays the position worse, it’s still a net loss.

  166. Tar November 29th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Catching is a position of intangibles. The most important aspects of the most import an position are not really countable (although I guess they are doing that now a days as well)

    IMO Martins strengths are in areas that are not really quantifiable. But His deficiencies were definitely in areas that are quantifiable. So that makes him seem worse than he really is.

    Bottom line is he’s a good catcher (not great) and the Yankees have no one else ready to step in.

  167. austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Blake,

    I criticize them for not re-signing Martin for that money. Saving money so a lesser player can replace him does nothing for me. I don’t buy the money saving bliss some seem to have.

    It would be one thing if they spent the money elsewhere. I think the money will not be spent working down for 2014.

  168. SoS November 29th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    I think cashman n gang are looking for the best homerun looker/trotter rather than a framer.

  169. jacksquat November 29th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    blake November 29th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
    Who is critizing them for not signing Martin?

    Saw 2 or 3 people say they should have kept him…

  170. RadioKev November 29th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    And I wouldn’t criticize them for not signing Martin if he was offered a 3 or 4 year deal, but this seems like a marginal difference between the Pirates and Yankees. Cheap is what it is.

  171. blake November 29th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    “I criticize them for not re-signing Martin for that money. Saving money so a lesser player can replace him does nothing for me. I don’t buy the money saving bliss some seem to have.”

    If hey didn’t have a budget I would say yea they should have matched that cause he was the best option they had…. But if they are set on this budget for 2014 then they couldn’t put 8+ million on the books for a marginally better player.

    I don’t like that it has to be that way….buts it’s reality at this point

  172. Tar November 29th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    “Who is critizing them for not signing Martin?”

    At this point in time I am.

    I will wait to see what Cash ends up with, but if it’s currently on the Yankee roster I definitely am criticizing them for it.

  173. RadioKev November 29th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    I’m also no Romine hater, but I think everyone would prefer to see him as a back up option first, not a starter.

    Anyway, goodnight y’all.

  174. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    I am kind of liking this budget thing – at least from the way fans are reacting – - – -it is like cutting off the trust fund to some kids – today it was Martin – kind of like no more double lattes – you are going to have to drink regular coffee now – - – tomorrow Hal and the grown ups are going to take away your car and you are going to have to start living on a budget – - – -

  175. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Blake,

    I criticize them for not re-signing Martin for that money. Saving money so a lesser player can replace him does nothing for me. I don’t buy the money saving bliss some seem to have.

    It would be one thing if they spent the money elsewhere. I think the money will not be spent working down for 2014.
    ———————

    If you could get a hamburger in one restaurant for $7.00 or the exact same one in another restaurant across the street for $5.00 then why would you ever buy the $7.00 one?

    I don’t think the Yankees lose much going from Martin to one of the retreads that we mentioned earlier. I think if they get a guy like Suzuki they might even improve.

  176. austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    Chad, ever the optimist, responded to a question yesterday by saying “it wouldn’t be absurd to think the Yankees might be in it next year”.

    That seems to be a slightly lower bar than previously.

  177. blake November 29th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    If they weren’t dead set on this budget nonsense ….then yea Id critize them for letting him go to….but I don’t think giving him more than one year was wise if they are seriously getting their payroll down in the 170s by next year

  178. jackamir November 29th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Cashman and the Yankee FO always have a backdoor solution to any problem… Hold your hats something will be in your Christmas stockings. A substantial move will be made—BOOK IT—–Martin was overrated and I’m glad he is gone…

  179. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    blake November 29th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    “I criticize them for not re-signing Martin for that money. Saving money so a lesser player can replace him does nothing for me. I don’t buy the money saving bliss some seem to have.”

    If hey didn’t have a budget I would say yea they should have matched that cause he was the best option they had…. But if they are set on this budget for 2014 then they couldn’t put 8+ million on the books for a marginally better player.

    I don’t like that it has to be that way….buts it’s reality at this point
    —————–

    Even if they didn’t have a budget I would have passed. Just because you can pay more for something doesn’t mean you should. Again, the Pirates have to overpay players because that’s the only way they can get free agents to take them seriously (much like the Nats did with Jason Werth) but Russell Martin is not a good baseball player – why pay him like one? I can pay equally bad players a lot less.

  180. austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    With the thin catcher’s market, it is unlikely the Nats are in the give away mode. Others will have their say. A top ten player? A top twenty? Lesser? We really don’t know.

  181. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Think about it this way – the Yankees re-signed Kuroda, Andy and Mariano and in two of those cases they gave them raises. So maybe it’s not that the Yankees are cheap, maybe it’s just that they don’t believe Martin is worth what he’s being paid.

  182. austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Stoneburner,

    Enjoy the money saving bliss. I prefer to assemble a team and have a latte. Why wouldn’t one?

  183. jmills November 29th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Goodnight, Keith Moon.

  184. Tidrow November 29th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    In 490 lifetime at bats Cervelli has a .271 avr. with 5 hr & 71 RBI. Guy is a good hitter who puts the bat on the ball and can move runners along with a bunt or by hitting the ball to the opposite field or a hit and run. Guy has decent speed too and he’s a gamer who’s high energy. I truly hope he’s given a fair shot to win the starting job in spring training. I really think he can do the job if given a fair shake.

  185. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    With the thin catcher’s market, it is unlikely the Nats are in the give away mode. Others will have their say. A top ten player? A top twenty? Lesser? We really don’t know.
    ———————

    Offer them Cervelli and a low level pitcher and if they pass they pass.

  186. Tar November 29th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Dumpster divers sometimes go hungry. And sometimes it really is true that you get what you pay for.

    I hope Cash has a plan that includes the Yankees winning and not just making the Stein’s richer.

  187. Ghostwriter November 29th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Chip November 29th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    The Yankees can trade a nothing minor leaguer to the Nationals, get Kurt Suzuki who is no better or worse than Martin and put him behind the plate. Suzuki is due 6.5 this year (which fits right in where the Yankees were offering Martin) and then he has a club option for 2014 at 8.5 or a 650k buyout.
    ==============

    I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if this was precisely how it plays out. I don’t see Cashman sticking with what he has in the organization. So, he’ll go out onto the the market to get a cheap veteran, coming off a down year. Suzuki seems to fit the bill.

  188. blake November 29th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    “Even if they didn’t have a budget I would have passed. Just because you can pay more for something doesn’t mean you should”

    One of the financial advantages the Yanks used to have was that they could pay more money for marginal upgrades…. So that they could have the strongest team possible….they can’t do that anymore

  189. blake November 29th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    “I hope Cash has a plan that includes the Yankees winning and not just making the Stein’s richer”

    I’m afraid the latter is the priority these days

  190. blake November 29th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Just let Romine play….at least he might get better

  191. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    blake November 29th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    “Even if they didn’t have a budget I would have passed. Just because you can pay more for something doesn’t mean you should”

    One of the financial advantages the Yanks used to have was that they could pay more money for marginal upgrades…. So that they could have the strongest team possible….they can’t do that anymore
    —————————-
    Yeah but more often than not that policy backfired on them – overpaying former closers to come in as middle relievers as a prime example – so if this forces them to change – great.

    And if the Yankees end up giving AJ one year $10 m, I’m fine with that too.

  192. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    “I hope Cash has a plan that includes the Yankees winning and not just making the Stein’s richer”

    I’m afraid the latter is the priority these days

    *****

    Yes, b/c bringing back Kuroda, Pettitte, and Mo does not include a plan for winning (sarcasm added for emphasis)

  193. Ghostwriter November 29th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    Tidrow November 29th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    In 490 lifetime at bats Cervelli has a .271 avr. with 5 hr & 71 RBI. Guy is a good hitter who puts the bat on the ball and can move runners along with a bunt or by hitting the ball to the opposite field or a hit and run. Guy has decent speed too and he’s a gamer who’s high energy. I truly hope he’s given a fair shot to win the starting job in spring training. I really think he can do the job if given a fair shake.

    =========

    They’ll still need a veteran to back him up. Moreover, Cervy has the concussion issue; I doubt that he’ll be durable enough to be the starting catcher for a full season.

  194. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Ghostwriter November 29th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Chip November 29th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    The Yankees can trade a nothing minor leaguer to the Nationals, get Kurt Suzuki who is no better or worse than Martin and put him behind the plate. Suzuki is due 6.5 this year (which fits right in where the Yankees were offering Martin) and then he has a club option for 2014 at 8.5 or a 650k buyout.
    ==============

    I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if this was precisely how it plays out. I don’t see Cashman sticking with what he has in the organization. So, he’ll go out onto the the market to get a cheap veteran, coming off a down year. Suzuki seems to fit the bill.
    —————

    It’s what they did when they got Swisher

  195. The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    On that note

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48_S5WpHIXE

  196. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner November 29th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    “I hope Cash has a plan that includes the Yankees winning and not just making the Stein’s richer”

    I’m afraid the latter is the priority these days

    *****

    Yes, b/c bringing back Kuroda, Pettitte, and Mo does not include a plan for winning (sarcasm added for emphasis)
    —————

    And in all three cases the Yankees overpaid – so I think it’s fair to say that the Yankees are willing to overpay for good players. They just weren’t willing to overpay for Russ Martin.

  197. jacksquat November 29th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    I don’t see any point in paying Suzuki 6.5 mil.

  198. Tar November 29th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    “One of the financial advantages the Yanks used to have was that they could pay more money for marginal upgrades…. So that they could have the strongest team possible….they can’t do that anymore”

    They can but they choose not to.

    One thing I wonder about this 189 stuff is for years the Yankees have had to pay more for Free Agents and even trades with other teams because they were the Yankees. They had it, were willing to spend it and everybody knew it. I wonder if t a secondary goal of all this is to change that dynamic.

    In other words to stop paying the Yankee tax literally as well as figuratively.

  199. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    jacksquat November 29th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    I don’t see any point in paying Suzuki 6.5 mil.
    ————–

    I have no problem with it – though still an overpay it is what they were willing to pay Martin and I don’t think Suzuki is any better or worse than Martin.

  200. austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    I don’t think they overpaid for Kuroda as themPadres were offering more. With Pettitte and Mo, I agree they paid more than anyone else would based on a confidence factor, I suppose.

  201. Ghostwriter November 29th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    And in all three cases the Yankees overpaid – so I think it’s fair to say that the Yankees are willing to overpay for good players. They just weren’t willing to overpay for Russ Martin.

    =============

    How do you know that they overpaid for Kuroda, Pettitte, and Rivera?

  202. ron November 29th, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    It looks like every deal will be a one year deal only so they can get under the 189 in 2014,just to reset the yax,then i expect them to spend very big between 2015-2017 with all the money they will be getting,and have.

    Now all they need to do is change the fan experience at the ballpark.

  203. austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    It’s one thing not to overpay and another not to pay market value. That is, what a willing team will pay. We shall see which they are.

  204. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    Ghostwriter November 29th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    And in all three cases the Yankees overpaid – so I think it’s fair to say that the Yankees are willing to overpay for good players. They just weren’t willing to overpay for Russ Martin.

    =============

    How do you know that they overpaid for Kuroda, Pettitte, and Rivera?
    ————-

    Well in Kuroda’s case they probably didn’t. But I don’t think anyone would have come close to offering Andy $12 or Mariano $10 and what’s more I don’t think either of those two players were shopping themselves to other teams. Essentially the Yankees were bidding against themselves.

  205. Ghostwriter November 29th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    Chip November 29th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Ghostwriter November 29th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Chip November 29th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    The Yankees can trade a nothing minor leaguer to the Nationals, get Kurt Suzuki who is no better or worse than Martin and put him behind the plate. Suzuki is due 6.5 this year (which fits right in where the Yankees were offering Martin) and then he has a club option for 2014 at 8.5 or a 650k buyout.
    ==============

    I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if this was precisely how it plays out. I don’t see Cashman sticking with what he has in the organization. So, he’ll go out onto the the market to get a cheap veteran, coming off a down year. Suzuki seems to fit the bill.
    —————

    It’s what they did when they got Swisher
    ===============

    It’s Cashman’s favorite move. And it’s a good one. It doesn’t make much sense to sign somebody to a mammoth contract coming off a career year that they aren’t likely to replicate… It’s like paying them for a year that they had for another club.

    I suspect that the Martin signing increases the likelihood of the Yanks retaining Swisher.

  206. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    austinmac November 29th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    It’s one thing not to overpay and another not to pay market value. That is, what a willing team will pay. We shall see which they are.
    —————–

    Yeah but the question then is whether or not the Yankee offer was below market value or the Pittsburgh offer was an overpay.

    For example, were teams that wanted Jayson Werth cheap for not matching what the Nationals were willing to pay him even though that contract was quite obviously an overpay?

  207. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    Night folks.

  208. Jerkface November 29th, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    Enjoy the money saving bliss. I prefer to assemble a team and have a latte. Why wouldn’t one?

    Stoneburner is more of a fan of being a hater than of baseball apparently :)

  209. Jerkface November 29th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    The Yankees getting Swisher is not really like them potentially getting Suzuki. For one, Swisher’s upside was way better. For two, he was under control for pretty cheap for 4 years.

  210. BD (Boston Dave) November 29th, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    ““I hope Cash has a plan that includes the Yankees winning and not just making the Stein’s richer””

    ——–

    not making the playoffs (let alone best record in the AL) might switch things back to ‘win at all costs mode’

    they’re still winning games and competing… just no rings for 3 years.

  211. Chip November 29th, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    Jerkface November 29th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    The Yankees getting Swisher is not really like them potentially getting Suzuki. For one, Swisher’s upside was way better. For two, he was under control for pretty cheap for 4 years.
    —————

    Ok, in that case getting Suzuki to replace Martin would be like when the Yankees got Martin in the first place. Young veteran catcher known more for his glove than bat. He’s under control for 2 years (just like Martin) but only one of those years is guaranteed (just like Martin) only difference would be that the Yankees would have to trade for one of them rather than when they signed Martin after he was non-tendered. In any case, the non-tender deadline is tomorrow; there might be other guys available.

  212. ron November 30th, 2012 at 12:25 am

    The yankees decided what was going to be an overpay for martin,and did not need the league to show them.
    They probably would pay a little more for less years,and maybe do a 3 year deal,but it was going to have to be less per year.
    They are sending a message that they will not pay more than they wan’t to,or have to.

    Also,cervelli,romine,stewart will not be a starter for them.
    They will get a catcher they can live with,and or split with cervelli to hit against righties.
    Romine has been hurt,and they are not going to rely on him.

    I definitely see a winter meeting trade.

  213. jmills November 30th, 2012 at 12:27 am

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/l.....#038;rel=0

    Was still awake trading music with my daughter NY and found this Thurman tribute

    Here’s hoping u can open it!

  214. MoRings42 November 30th, 2012 at 12:35 am

    Bye guy who hit under .200 for most of the season

  215. UnKnown November 30th, 2012 at 12:58 am

    Michael Kay ?@RealMichaelKay
    I promise you, they will be fine. They didn’t just lose a combination of Berra and Munson. I promise.

    Michael Kay ?@RealMichaelKay
    Martin was a nice player who was invisible for the first 5 months of last season. And there was a reason CC pitched most games to Stewart.

    ——–

    Kay is on board with passing on Martin and so am I. Yankees will get the same production out of the catcher spot this year as they did last year on the Russ Bus. Actually, I think it will be better.

  216. jacksquat November 30th, 2012 at 1:09 am

    The two top remaining free agent catchers on the market are Mike Napoli and A.J. Pierzynski. The Yankees are not in on Napoli, and a source indicated that Pierzynski is unlikely to be the team’s next move.

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....ources-say

  217. jacksquat November 30th, 2012 at 1:10 am

    I have a hard time believing the Yankees would trust the catcher position to Romine/Cervelli/Stewart.

  218. Nick in SF November 30th, 2012 at 1:13 am

    I promise you, they will be fine. They didn’t just lose a combination of Berra and Munson. I promise.

    What is a Michael Kay promise worth?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpKAnp5Klzw

  219. NYY_Girl_Penny November 30th, 2012 at 2:07 am

    Some of you are very eccentric. Getting all riled up over not signing a below avg hitter slightly above avg (if any) defense ? Seriously ? You are mad they didnt sign minor league hitting Martin? Whats wring with you people ? Were the NYY not the marlins. You guys are too much! I for one am celebrating ..

    Cya Martin ! Thats what you get for declining the 3yrz last year :)
    Wake up people Martin doesnt even brlong in the mlb. SMH @ you kbow who u r !

  220. UnKnown November 30th, 2012 at 2:15 am

    I think it’s obvious that tomorrow while rappelling down the Stamford building Cashman will announce that Girardi is going to be player/manager next year.

    Girardi’s brand new catching gear will be delivered to YS in the morning.

    Mick Kelleher also will serve as utility infielder this year. We’re on a budget people.

  221. PacoDooley November 30th, 2012 at 5:14 am

    Two observations after reading loads of comments:

    1) The Yankees will be better off using that $8.5MM in 2014 to fit Cano under their spending cap. Martin is too marginal to committ that much of a limited payroll to. This offer from the Pirates feels a bit like the deal that Lin got when he left the Knicks – structured to interfere with the teams salary ‘cap’ space

    2) Martin is better than the other options, but he is overrated and now overpaid. You can see why the Yankees have been stockpiling catchers – they are clearly a very limited quantity given how much Martin landed. He will outperform other options, but not by enough to warrant the salary commitment.

  222. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 5:15 am

    Late to the party.

    Just saw the Martin news.

    Interesting diversity of opinion on him but the majority seem to not care that he’s gone.

    Couple of things stand out to me :

    1) The Yankees are indeed very serious about 189 (no surprise there).

    2) They did not see Martin as all that valuable despite what they claimed.

    No idea what they will do now.

    To me Martin was an avg. defender.

    Hit well for power but never heard of a thing called BA.

    I think the Yankees will come up with something that works, and probably for a lot less money.

    I’m fine with it. I thought many people overrated Martin.

    Looking forward to the WM.

    Ichiro. Come on down.

  223. PacoDooley November 30th, 2012 at 5:18 am

    jacksquat November 30th, 2012 at 1:10 am
    I have a hard time believing the Yankees would trust the catcher position to Romine/Cervelli/Stewart.

    MoRings42 November 30th, 2012 at 12:35 am
    Bye guy who hit under .200 for most of the season
    ————————————

    I agree with the first comment – Romine needs ABs at the AAA level before he can be a full time big league catcher. Cervelli wasn’t even good at AAA last year, and Stewart is just not good at any level.

    I also agree with the latter comment – cannot forget how Martin struggled to get over .200 most of the year. He had some really horrendous stretches.

    Personally, I would love to see Romine get some ABs and look good at AAA and establish himself at the ML level this year. I just hope his back can hold up at the C position

  224. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 5:25 am

    Dooley-

    Cervelli’s biggest issue was that he was not throwing out runners at an acceptable rate.

    He can hit a little but not with any pop.

    If he has ironed out his throwing issues he’d be fine as the front end of a Catching tandem being platooned with someone else.

    I expect that the Yankees might do as some have suggested and try to get a guy like Suzuki, Shoppach, or Snyder as the other part of the platoon.

    AJ P. is not out of the question either if he fails to re-sign with the WS.

    In any case, I think Martin was overrated.

    Being the best of the worst doesn’t make you great.

  225. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 5:27 am

    And Dooley.

    What the heck are you doing up at that this time of the morning ?

    I thought I was the only crazy person.

    Glad you’re around though. I hate talking to myself.

    :)

  226. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 5:43 am

    Mets have extended Wright.

    7 yrs. @ 122 Mil.

    MLBTR

  227. Madrugador November 30th, 2012 at 5:59 am

    A parting shot as I am off to the salt mines to spread some joy through electricity:

    Martin got his share of grief while he was here. He couldn’t hit for average at all even though he was a “great” defensive catcher. Now maybe Cervelli or Romine or Stewart get a chance. Their batting averages probably won’t be lower and as long as they are defensively average, I can live with that.

    Winter Meetings next week?

  228. Cashmoney November 30th, 2012 at 6:09 am

    morning. I think Martin show some class in tweeting he appreciated the NY experience. Paco is pretty spot on with the takes on Martin. We all have our opinions on martin’s offensive prowess or the lack of … but i think chad is a bit of a martin fan. I never thought martin as a potent power hitter. even as a catcher i dont think the stats supportted that. quite frankly, i don’t think martin was potent in any of the offensive categories. I wish him luck in PA.

  229. blake November 30th, 2012 at 6:25 am

    That’s a pretty decent deal for Wright….. It’s an over pay because of his age and will probably get ugly down the road but he’s their guy and they kinda had to sign him to have some direction with that team

  230. filthy slider November 30th, 2012 at 6:28 am

    Another mistake by small market man Ca$hman.

  231. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 6:34 am

    Blake-

    Good morning.

    What’s your take on Martin disappearing ?

  232. blake November 30th, 2012 at 6:39 am

    @JeffPassan: RT @TBrownYahoo: The Dodgers met Thursday with Zack Greinke. They’re very serious about signing him, and this looks like the start of it.

  233. blake November 30th, 2012 at 6:40 am

    MTU,
    I’m fine with it…..as I have said I would have liked to have had him back for one year and would have over paid him for that…..but don’t think they could give him the second year because of 2014…..he’s just not good enough

  234. sevrox November 30th, 2012 at 6:41 am

    6 years in the minors for Austin Romine: .278/.333/.414
    6 years in the minors for Posada (and 2 years older than Romine when brought up): .258/.368/.436

    Why not?

    Martin was league average when throwing out baserunners and hit below .200 for most of the season. Screw ‘em. Start tossing the young catchers against the wall and see who sticks.

  235. blake November 30th, 2012 at 6:42 am

    Id like to think Cashman has a Carlos Santana like trade up his sleeve but kinda doubt it…..If not Id like to see them acquire the very best back up they can and then see what Romine has got …Romjne has good defender potential and at least he might get better

  236. RadioKev November 30th, 2012 at 6:49 am

    Does this vindicate the Stewart trade? ;)

  237. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 6:58 am

    Thanks Blake.

    Just wondered.

    I’m OK with it too.

  238. GregD November 30th, 2012 at 6:58 am

    If Romine is healthy, I would go with him……period

  239. Tar November 30th, 2012 at 7:34 am

    Romaine has had back issues and Cervelli concussions. At this time both are BUC. Barring a move Stewart will be your everyday catcher and if you didn’t like Martin, wait till they trot out Stewie everyday.

  240. Frankg November 30th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Martin was an easy out and Girardi had to teach him how to call a game. He is declining as a hitter and couldn’t even muster a decent batting average in his contract year. I’m glad he’s gone and that the Yankees didn’t overpay to keep him. Now the great minds at the helm of the Yankees will have to see what Stewart can do. They overpaid greatly to get him (George Kontos) and let’s see if the brain trust’s investemnt pays off. More than likely, they traded a good young pitcher for a backup catcher. How often is that done by smart teams?

    I shudder to think what they’ll have to give up to trade for new catcher. Cashman gets screwed in virtually all of his trades.

  241. comnsnse November 30th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    JMills, about that sub in Pittsburgh.

    Very appropriate since the franchise has been underwater for many years!

    How much did the Yankees actually value Martin given their preseason offer of 3 years 20+mm.? What we don’t know is why they wouldn’t match the Pitt offer since they knew all along he would not do another 1 yr. deal.

    AJ for 2@ 10-12mm. per?

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