Stark: Rivera contract expected tomorrow
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 29, 2012 
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Still no new contract for birthday boy Mariano Rivera, but ESPN’s Jayson Stark reports that the deal is expected to be finished tomorrow. Stark says the deal is expected to be worth $11-12 million, a modest cut from the $15 million Rivera made last season. Stark’s report fits with what I’ve heard this week — and what most every other Yankees beat writer has been reporting — that the Yankees and Rivera have the basics in place and expect the deal to be finalized before next week’s winter meetings.
UPDATE: Jon Paul Morosi hears the deal will be worth $10 million.
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nunez really screwed up last year. had he been solid defensively he would have played more games at 3b than arod and the lineup would have been better all season. it was a good plan to use him as the b/u to both jeter and arod but he just couldnt do it. its too bad.
manny machado played about 200 minor league games all at ss and then they put him at 3b for 2 games before sending him up to baltimore at 19 to start at third base in the middle of the pennant race and he did fine
No big surprise there.
Time to concentrate on the O Brian.
Practice your hunting technique.
Focus on the Cat family: Leopards, Jaguars, Pumas, and the like.
Forget big, hairy monsters. They’re no match.
Now that Rivera is settled, let’s focus on getting J Upton.
manny machado played about 200 minor league games all at ss and then they put him at 3b for 2 games before sending him up to baltimore at 19 to start at third base in the middle of the pennant race and he did fine
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That is because Machado is a better defender than Nunez. At this point Nunez is what he is, a mediocre SS or nothing at all. If he plays 100% at short I think he can probably be a major league regular, but that isn’t gonna happen with the Yankees.
Comparing the enviorment\expectations in Balt to NY??? Not even close.
Mr. Brook-
Does not have to be JU.
Although it is clear the Snakes intend to move him. There is much competition on him.
A less obvious target might be better.
Comparing the enviorment\expectations in Balt to NY??? Not even close.
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Nor is comparing a talent like Machado to E. Nunez
I want J Upton….been talking about him for two years….I just don’t think they can get him without involving a 3rd team….(maybe the Indians and Asdrubal)
Blake-
Let’s get Asdrubal and Santana from the Indians.
Asdrubal goes to the Snakes.
We keep Santana and JU.
How’s that ?
im not saying nunez has that kind of talent, but he should be able to hold down ss and 3b well enough that the mgr can put him out there anytime he wasted to sit jeter or arod, which turned out to be alot of games b/c arod only played 3b 82 times. i really think his whole problem fielding is in his head, he just seems to have a problem concentrating and makes errors on easy plays.
its so frustrating b/c it would be really nice to have him in the lineup 100 games and on the bench the rest of the time.
3rd team = SD
DB-
What’s the proposal ?
3rd team = SD
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Don’t have the SS the Diamondbacks seek.
Yanks aren’t getting Justin Upton… I wish they would but they won’t.
They’ll never get him with that attitude!
JU would be nice but there may be other good deals out there.
Yanks aren’t getting Justin Upton… I wish they would but they won’t.
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Yeah, this too.
The image of Cervelli/Stewie/Whiteside/ or anybody else in that mix getting AB’s during the regular season is frightening. Talk about an automatic out.
Martin for 3 years-I guess it could be worse. See my previous sentence.
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People….. MARTIN HIT .210 and was under.200 for most of the year. I doubt we drop off much with Cervelli in anything other than homeruns.
Start with the SP SD is after. That’s Nova, Phelps, and Hughes, (any 2), include Nunez and Gardner or Grandy, maybe Robertson, and a couple Bushers. I like J Upton and Grandal, and don’t rule out Headley.
They’ll never get him with that attitude!
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Haha.. I just don’t see Cashman willing to give up the prospects necessary to get him. I hope he proves me wrong
Start with the SP SD is after. That’s Nova, Phelps, and Hughes, (any 2), include Nunez and Gardner or Grandy, maybe Robertson, and a couple Bushers. I like J Upton and Grandal, and don’t rule out Headley.
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What the f is a busher? And the package you propose is not nearly enough for Upton, depending on what a busher is
another thing i dont get it why they sent nunez down to be a ss instead of a 3bman. they apparently thought if he could handle SS he’d be more valuable to another team because he has little to no value to the yankees there while they really need a 3bman.
nunez really screwed up last year. had he been solid defensively he would have played more games at 3b than arod and the lineup would have been better all season. it was a good plan to use him as the b/u to both jeter and arod but he just couldnt do it. its too bad.
manny machado played about 200 minor league games all at ss and then they put him at 3b for 2 games before sending him up to baltimore at 19 to start at third base in the middle of the pennant race and he did fine
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It is all mental at this point. Nunez should be able to play 3b and ss and i thought 2 years ago he was pretty good on defense. Then the errors began and now he has a mental block throwing to 1b a la GG winner Chuck Knoblauch or Steve Sax….. Once it began it was never fixed.
Haha.. I just don’t see Cashman willing to give up the prospects necessary to get him. I hope he proves me wrong
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I’ve seen enough of hitters moving from the NL to the AL or vise versa to say that i would be concerned about how he adjusts in the short term to a new league with new pitchers and a new team. Pujols took months to get it together.
There’s something about Martin being the Pirates catcher that just feels right.
Cervelli can handle LHP. He also managed to throw out 30% of runners in scranton so maybe he got his groove back.
An AJ Cervelli platoon wouldnt be the worst, but hard to say AJ is gonna be here on a 1 year deal.
Now had they signed Ross they could have platooned Ross & Cervelli and probably gotten well above average production out of catcher with good defense for most of it.
MTU,
You make that happen and you’re the new GM!
How about we package Adam Warren and a bunch of A ballets for Giancarlo!!!! Screw upton
Sounds like Jair Jurrjens will be non tendered.
A ballers
OK.
Let’s try it in reverse.
I’m trading Hughes, Nunez, D-Rob, and Heathcott.
What am I getting in return ?
National league teams survive all the time with poor catching offensive production….
With our lineup, Cervelli and his singles should be able to hold it down, Romine, Whiteside (i would sign Jose Molina for one year)……. If they need one, they can try to get one at the deadline.
Jurrjens must have no knees left.
MTU: Im not trading Robertson with all the injury risks in the pen….
Jurrjens must have no knees left.
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Braves need to free money with the Upton deal.
They were even mentioning trading Hanson….
If Martin gets 9 or 10 mil aav from anyone other than the Yankees, then I’ll eat my words about the qual offer.
Right now his best offer is 3/22 from the Pirates, a losing team that needs to offer more to get players.
“I’m trading Hughes, Nunez, D-Rob, and Heathcott.”
Maybe something pretty good but I don’t know….
They should claim Jair and Pelfrey
Cashman’s HR just fluttered….a pitcher has hit the junk pile
“If Martin gets 9 or 10 mil aav from anyone other than the Yankees, then I’ll eat my words about the qual offer.”
The QO would be better than 3/21 too because its one year and its less guananteed money to a not good player…..and it’s zero money beyond this year
ac1-
How bout if we had Soria in there too ?
Because that’s what I was assuming.
@jonmorosi: Source: #Yankees, Mariano Rivera are on verge of one-year, $10 million contract. @MLBONFOX
Yes, I suggested AJ/Cervelli yesterday.
@JimBowdenESPNxm: Mariano Rivera deal with the Yankees expected to be a base around $10 million with significant incentive bonuses #Yankees
AJ will cost more than Martin per year and he’s a lot older
Offer AJ a one year 13.3 million dollar deal then
Forget Pierzynski. How about Shoppach? He is out there. We don’t need a Jorge Posada, just someone to do enough…
Would rather have Olivo and AJP – of course depending on years – - – -
They aren’t going to overpay Martin even for 1 year just to have a stop gap to Romine/Murphy and then Sanchez.
This is the kind of situation where Montero would have solved our problem. He splits catching duties with Cervelli and makes all of 500K….
This is the kind of situation where Montero would have solved our problem. He splits catching duties with Cervelli and makes all of 500K….
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Instead we have a pitcher with a potentially career ending injury.. awesome
Instead we have a pitcher with a potentially career ending injury.. awesome
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I actually believe Pineda will be fine, but pitching depth seems to be less of an immediate problem than our catching need….. mainly due to Romine’s back injury last year (he’d be ready otherwise)
“Instead we have a pitcher with a potentially career ending injury.. awesome”
At least we got Campos and he will probably only need TJS soon !
At least we got Campos and he will probably only need TJS soon !
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This is actually a major issue with our deciion-makers. It was clear in May that ManBan would need TJS yet they waited until October. Now he lost another year. Campos has arm problems. Just go get the TJS now!!! Why wait another year and then do it anyway?
I mean if a guy really doesn’t need surgery then obviously you don’t want to do it…..but you need your doctors to be right on these things….if they think rehab is all it needs then they need to be right most of the time
Season Review: The Front Office
http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....ice-79760/
Nice to get the G.O.A.T. locked up and take care of the in house items that needed to be addressed. Can’t wait to have him back closing down shop in the 9th. Soriano can read the bill of his cap elsewhere.
Cashman can now get that Catcher and RF next week. Maybe pick up Soria and take a flyer on a back end SP with potential to have a good year. It’s nice to be getting some things done, anyways.
Unfortunately medicine is not an exact science and an art sometimes
Sometimes you wait with a Hughes, Nova and they end up not needing surgery and pitch well afterwards being shut down – - – -
Sometimes it plays out the way it did with Joba after August 2008
What you do NOT want to have happen is a team that is not cautious, rushes a player back out there, and then you are talking about a potential career killer – - – -
@jonmorosi: With Mariano Rivera receiving $10MM, the #Yankees will have spent $37MM for Mo, Kuroda and Pettitte in 2013. @MLBONFOX
@Ken_Rosenthal: Source: #Nationals acquire Denard Span from #Twins for Alex Meyer. Possible that others are involved.
Guess they are out on bourn
ac1 November 29th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
At least we got Campos and he will probably only need TJS soon !
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This is actually a major issue with our deciion-makers. It was clear in May that ManBan would need TJS yet they waited until October. Now he lost another year. Campos has arm problems. Just go get the TJS now!!! Why wait another year and then do it anyway?
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Take it a step further Pineda, Hughes, and Joba have velocity issues in different spring trainings and they say nothing is wrong. All three guys struggle, get injured, and then they say well obviously there is a problem.
Yea no ****
“@jonmorosi: With Mariano Rivera receiving $10MM, the #Yankees will have spent $37MM for Mo, Kuroda and Pettitte in 2013. @MLBONFOX”
So ? That’s three pretty damn important pieces.
@Ken_Rosenthal: Great get for #Twins. Meyer one of #Nationals’ top pitching prospects.
Guess the Nationals are no longer a trade option for Granderson.
@JeffPassan: Denard Span’s acquisition means Bryce Harper is a corner OF along with Jayson Werth, Mike Morse is a 1B and Adam LaRoche moves on.
“Guess the Nationals are no longer a trade option for Granderson.”
The BRaves are definately adding another outfielder
Let’s see how much $$$ left now for catcher, corner outfielder and bench plus maybe one more pitcher.
Raises to Granderson, Cano, Kuroda, Pettitte, arb raises to Hughes, Joba, Logan, Gardner and Robertson, 6 more million to ARod after he hits his 14th homer this year. Gain 14M and 10.25M by not bringing back Soriano and Swisher.
So does Martin get the 3/24M from the Pirates or Yankees? And if the Yankees give it to him is it Dickerson/Mesa in right?
@JeffPassan: One scout earlier this year on Alex Meyer, whom the Twins received for Denard Span: “He’s a monster.” Sure is: 6-foot-9, could be up soon.
Take it a step further Pineda, Hughes, and Joba have velocity issues in different spring trainings and they say nothing is wrong. All three guys struggle, get injured, and then they say well obviously there is a problem.
Yea no ****
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Agreed. So maybe TJS is a stretch, but too often they seem to act like nothing is wrong until it is way later on and a lot of time is wasted. Hughes was clearly not right in ST in 2011 and they waited until may before admitting an issue…
Joba’s injury in 2011 came out of left field and they dealt with it quick and look he is back now….
The minors seems to really be where the issue is.
Blake-
Maybe the Braves will now get younger Upton. They do want to bring back Reed Johnson.
The braves could get Upton but they’d have to deal Simmons and I sit think they want to…..they should trade for Granderson instead
@jaysonst: Hearing a half-dozen teams are in on Ryan Raburn, who just got released by #Tigers. Rays, Marlins, Braves & Rangers appear to head that list
blake – I’d love Giancarlo to patrol our RF or our DH spot for years to come. One thing, and I know this from standing next to him, he is a monster. Experienced trainers will tell you that it is a reciope for disaster and that even without PEDs, he’ll be oft-injured because his muscles and tendons will rip by virtue of his baseball activities and swing
ac1 November 29th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Take it a step further Pineda, Hughes, and Joba have velocity issues in different spring trainings and they say nothing is wrong. All three guys struggle, get injured, and then they say well obviously there is a problem.
Yea no ****
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Agreed. So maybe TJS is a stretch, but too often they seem to act like nothing is wrong until it is way later on and a lot of time is wasted. Hughes was clearly not right in ST in 2011 and they waited until may before admitting an issue…
Joba’s injury in 2011 came out of left field and they dealt with it quick and look he is back now….
The minors seems to really be where the issue is.
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Hopefully they continue to make the changes to the minors that they started months ago.
“blake – I’d love Giancarlo to patrol our RF or our DH spot for years to come. One thing, and I know this from standing next to him, he is a monster. Experienced trainers will tell you that it is a reciope for disaster and that even without PEDs, he’ll be oft-injured because his muscles and tendons will rip by virtue of his baseball activities and swing”
Maybe when he’s 30….he’s 22! Gimmi Giancarlo!
laroche probably gone now and they’ll move Morse to 1B and Harper to a corner
They’ll never get him with that attitude!
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We need to go back to believing we are GREAT!!!
Giancarlo with the short porch at YS… scary.
Can’t believe the twins got Alex Meyer for Denard Span.. Big overpay by the nationals IMO
I have to say, if the team wants to retain some payroll flexibility to keep Cano and have the ability to fill holes, they might be better off taking a pass on Martin. He hasn’t been great in several years and spent most of the year hitting at or below .200. Other options will be worse than him, but perhaps not a lot worse and by the third year may pass him by. Save that $7MM to add to an offer for Cano to stay in the Bronx…
Blake-
The Braves would just love Grandy. Take on 15M and lose him after a year, and the Yankees get one of their 2nd tier pitching prospects.
Nice thought!
Maybe the Yankees could entice Chipper out of retirement for one of those 12M plus incentive contracts?
One last chance at a WS ring!
I guess the Nats decided that they are set with pitching for a while. Span is a nice player but Meyer is a huge arm.
“Meyer is a huge arm.”
Literally.
What would Grandy fetch if Span got tradeed for a top prospect?
Span batted 283, 4 HR, 17 SB
MTU-
Yeah no joke… didn’t even think of him as literally 6’9”!
Tyler-
Don’t know much about him specifically but most guys that size have control and/or command issues.
Lot’s of moving parts to all get moving in same direction.
MTU-
At first when I googled Alex Meyer i got the little one and thought what “big arm”. He was the Olympic swimmer Meyer not the giant 6’9″ 220 lb Meyer the Twins just got.
MTU-
All I remember is him being a 1st round pick and hyped. Those big guys can definitely be hit-or-miss and pretty inconsistent… Yanks fans have found that out with Betances unfortunately. But if they are on, they can be dominating.
Yes Tyler.
Agreed. But I think more of them suffer those issues than not.
Niemann of the Rays is another behemoth.
He’s had various issues in spite of his size.
Rauch is a reliever. He’s got his head in the clouds too.
MTU-
Yep. But for every 100 that struggle, there is one Randy Johnson who puts it all together
Patrick says:
November 29, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Can’t believe the twins got Alex Meyer for Denard Span.. Big overpay by the nationals IMO
Eh Meyer is aways away and is kinda risky I think…..I like this move a lot for the nats
Tyler-
I don’t like those kinds of odds.
Eh Meyer is aways away and is kinda risky I think…..I like this move a lot for the nats
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True, I’m just not very high on Denard Span.
Do the Yankees now dangle Hughes/Nova/Phelps or do they need to get another cheap option on a FA pitcher needing to re-establish themselves, first, before they deal for a corner outfielder?
Doubt they will pay Haren, but what about Liriano?
Nats have a ton of young pitching anyway. Meyer could turn out great but Stras, Gio, Zimmerman, Detweiler, etc. will be there for the long haul.
MTU-
Neither do I. It’s cooler when the little pitchers make it anyway. Give me Lincecum over a tree anyday!
YT-
That would be the safe way to do it.
Load up first and then deal.
Buster_ESPN
Not surprisingly, the Giants indicating that they won’t tender an offer to Brian Wilson… Probably will have another talk about it.
Tyler-
How bout Guidry ?
He wasn’t too bad either.
Pass on Martin at any price, or years. Sign AJ for 2 years at $9M per.
It’s time for Cashman to get very aggressive, and go hard for Stanton. A young OF that would be a super star playing RF for the Yankees for the next 12-15 years. Brian, make them an offer they can’t refuse!
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“True, I’m just not very high on Denard Span.”
Yea but he fills a big need for the Nats… True CF and leadoff hitter and they don’t need pitching really…..better than giving Bourn 70 million… Rizzo has done a great job with the Nats aside from the boneheaded Strasburg decision
Tyler-
Sabbathia is an exception as well. Great athlete despite his obvious tonnage.
The mold broke after him.
Always thought he would make a great O lineman.
@JimBowdenESPNxm: According to source the Nationals “absolutely” are still “in” on LaRoche but his demands have to come down if they’re going to get a deal
If the sign Laroche then Morse has nowhere to play
AL-
Have you heard of any rumored interest in Pierzynski?
blake -
I disagree about the Nats decision on Strasburg being wrong, I believe they did the right thing, because winning it all, but risking a serious injury to a SP coming off major surgery, that would have been a boneheaded move.
“I disagree about the Nats decision on Strasburg being wrong, I believe they did the right thing, because winning it all, but risking a serious injury to a SP coming off major surgery, that would have been a boneheaded move.”
He’s no less likely to get hurt though ….he still might get hurt
I’m with you Al.
With an arm like that you have to think long term.
Play it safe.
Good afternoon by the way.
Didn’t Storen blow a key save opportunity that would have allowed the Nats to advance to the next series?
Why couldn’t the Nats have modified Strasburg’s innings late in the season and used him out of the bullpen?
The Nationals announced that they acquired center fielder Denard Span from the Twins for minor league right-hander Alex Meyer. The Twins have confirmed the deal.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#XWbzXIQCBYtqfutZ.99
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Well there several of my offseason hypothetical trade partners – Span, Meyers, Nationals needing a CF, Meyes as part of a package for Cano.
Twins did well with this trade getting Meyers – and Span is a nice addition for Nats – contrary to others – he is better than Brett Gardner – and he is a not bad contract for 2013 and 2014 – plus I think he is younger than Gardner – - – -
YT -
As you know Cashman keeps everything close to the vest, so I don’t listen to rumors, until Cashman comes out and says its a deal.
We can all dream and wish, but, until the Yankees FO calls and asks for my input, I’ll just have to wait like the rest of you, lol.
I have heard Aceves may be moving to the Angles, not done yet, but there are talks going on.
Strasburg is a 50/50 odds of blowing out anyway IMO….there is no evidence that pitching more would adversely effect him….it’s all hypothesis and theory…..you play to win titles and they may not even get back there before he is a FA or gets hurt again anyway……if shutting him down guaranteed he never gets hurt then fine….. But it’s far from that…..JMO
All that said….Rizzo is a good GM
Hindsight – Nats did nothing wrong with shutting down Strasburg – bullpen blew that game for the Nats – - – -I am not sure the Nats get past the Giants anyway – - – -
Twins did well with this trade getting Meyers – and Span is a nice addition for Nats – contrary to others – he is better than Brett Gardner – and he is a not bad contract for 2013 and 2014 – plus I think he is younger than Gardner – – – -
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They are the same age, Span costs more, past 3 years
Gardner .269 .365 .374 .740 100 SB
Span .271 .334 .367 .702 50 SB
Gardner much better defensively too
The Return of Stoneburner says:
November 29, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Hindsight – Nats did nothing wrong with shutting down Strasburg – bullpen blew that game for the Nats – – – -I am not sure the Nats get past the Giants anyway – – – -
Fallacy of the… … Nah I can’t do it
Perhaps they could have managed Strasburgs innings differently but the limit still makes sense to me.
It’s the conservative approach to protecting an extremely valuable asset.
And that was the recommendation of the physicians by the way.
Span really isn’t better than gritter when gritter is healthy
Good afternoon Mike. Is it getting cold by you? We’re still in the upper 60′s here, but it does get cold at night.
Blake-
Aren’t some of the biggest injury risks to pitchers involve shagging fly balls on wet outfield grass, or tripping over boxes while walking down steps, or maybe slamming your fist into the clubhouse door after being removed after stinking up the joint?
Not to mention fights with your teammates.
Jerkface November 29th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Twins did well with this trade getting Meyers – and Span is a nice addition for Nats – contrary to others – he is better than Brett Gardner – and he is a not bad contract for 2013 and 2014 – plus I think he is younger than Gardner – – – -
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They are the same age, Span costs more, past 3 years
Gardner .269 .365 .374 .740 100 SB
Span .271 .334 .367 .702 50 SB
Gardner much better defensively too
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Span is 28 now
Gardner is 29 now
Span also had 38 doubles last year – when was the last time Gardner did that – Span’s the better player all around than Gardner – and again his contract is not that more in the 6 million range – - -
MTU,
I think they should have limited his innings….but they should have done so and found a way to pitch him in the playoffs
Limiting the amount Strasburg threw is fine, but they did it in a way that didn’t make sense and never chose to adapt it to their situation. They give him 3 short breaks during the season and he pitches in the playoffs. They actually talk to him about how he feels and he pitches in the postseason.
They originally claimed they were basing the limit off how he felt & looked & by pitch count, but in the end it was a strict innings limit instead of a pitch limit or fatigue limit. Thus it was dumb, and they paid for it.
Yanks could get a pretty good prospect for gardner
Al-
Nope. Been exceptionally mild. Haven’t even turned the heat on yet.
Like you. 60′s every day. Sunny. Gets cold at night. Blankets enough though. House is well insulated.
Hope it keeps up.
Span is 28 now
Gardner is 29 now
Span also had 38 doubles last year – when was the last time Gardner did that – Span’s the better player all around than Gardner – and again his contract is not that more in the 6 million range – – -
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2013 is age 29 season for both of them, both will be 29 at the start of the season. Span is 6 months younger. What does Span hitting some doubles have to do with their overall output? Gardner gets on base more, they hit for essentially the same power, and Gardner is a better base stealer & defender. Span’s isolated power from 2012 = 112, Gardner’s isolated power from 2011 = 110.
blake November 29th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
The Return of Stoneburner says:
November 29, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Hindsight – Nats did nothing wrong with shutting down Strasburg – bullpen blew that game for the Nats – – – -I am not sure the Nats get past the Giants anyway – – – -
Fallacy of the… … Nah I can’t do it
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Naah – Strasburg did not blow it for the Nats in NLDS – and the Giants were the best team – it was diminis and no long term impact or regrets for the Nats – - – -
Zimmerman & Edwin Jackson blew games 2 and 3. Strasburg would have pitched one of those games. Their decision not to pitch the best pitcher in the NL in the playoffs definitely attributed to them not moving on.
If the Nats sign laroche the Morse will be dealt
Mike -
Have you been out hiking much? I have not been around here much, I guess with such a slow hot stove, there’s not much going on, and all the hopes and dreams we have for the Yanks are just that, dreams. I hope I’m wrong, but, I see Cashman playing the same game with those oldies but once were goodies, to just get by, and lower the payroll. My hoping the team gets very aggressive in filling in the holes is about the same as wishing I’d picking the winning Power Ball numbers, a very, very long shot, lol.
Naah – Strasburg did not blow it for the Nats in NLDS – and the Giants were the best team – it was diminis and no long term impact or regrets for the Nats – – – -”
Entire series could have played out different if Stras starts game 1
Gardner gets on base more, they hit for essentially the same power,
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Seriously –
Span’s OBP career is .357
Gardner’s OBP career is .355
Span is younger than Gardner (was not sure if it was by a year or more – but Span is younger)
Span’s SLG career is .389
Gardner’s SLG career is .368
Span almost slugged .400 last year as light hitting CF option.
The doubles are relevant due to extra-bases, hence possible power, compared to Gardner – - – -The only category that Gardner has Span hands down beat is stolen bases – and even then – Gardner has had the yips on occassion -
Will be nice to see Mo back for 1 more season.
The team might want to regulate the amount of fly balls he chases down in K.C. going forward!
blake November 29th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Naah – Strasburg did not blow it for the Nats in NLDS – and the Giants were the best team – it was diminis and no long term impact or regrets for the Nats – – – -”
Entire series could have played out different if Stras starts game 1
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Naah – Nats got it to five – they could have won – they had their chance to close it out – as far as regrets go – there are none on that front – they had their chance without Strasburg – it is on the pen – especially when we are talking about a sizeable lead going into that top of the 9th – the Cards won that series – the Nats did not lose b/c of the lack of Strasburg – - – -
Also – it could have very well played out the same way with Strasburg – - – deal with what happened to evaluate regrets not on what could have happened – - – -
Didn’t Storen blow a key game in the playoffs? Couldn’t the Nats have transitioned Strasburg later in the season to the bullpen therefore having him available as a reliever for the playoffs and still limiting innings or pitch counts?
Can’t remember, but when was Hughes moved to the bullpen in 2009?
Seriously –
Span’s OBP career is .357
Gardner’s OBP career is .355
Span is younger than Gardner (was not sure if it was by a year or more – but Span is younger)
Span’s SLG career is .389
Gardner’s SLG career is .368
Span almost slugged .400 last year as light hitting CF option.
The doubles are relevant due to extra-bases, hence possible power, compared to Gardner – – – -The only category that Gardner has Span hands down beat is stolen bases – and even then – Gardner has had the yips on occassion -
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You’re looking at Span’s career numbers which include his first 2 seasons of which he as not come close in the past 3 years. You’re not looking at A-rod’s time in Texas or even the beginning of his Yankee career as his possible production next year, don’t know why you’re doing the same with span.
Look at the numbers I posted of the last 3 years.
Gardner .269 .365 .374 .740 100 SB
Span .271 .334 .367 .702 50 SB
It doesn’t matter if Gardner has the yips when he steals 2 bags for every 1 Span steals. That is 50 more bags in 300 less plate appearances as well. Span may have hit more doubles once but he will hit less triples and less home runs.
Naah – Nats got it to five – they could have won
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The Nats ‘getting it to 5′ doesn’t absolve them of not pitching their best pitcher in the playoffs. It just means they had a chance without him. No fan base wants to talk about getting close. They want to get there.
And there is no proof pitch limits mean a damn thing.
Yes Al. I’ve been on a fairly regular schedule.
Try to get out at least 3x’s a week.
Thanks for asking.
I’m also hoping for a big move now that the pitching is set.
Just not counting on it.
Al-
I almost forgot. thanks for the card.
There is basically no way not pitching Strasburg did anything positive for the Nats…..it went 5 games without him and they lost…..
Pitching him got them to the playoffs, not pitching him got them out of the playoffs.
If you want to talk career numbers
Span in 589 games and 2671 PAs has a 15.9 career fWAR
Gritner in 475 games and 1619 PAs has a 15.2 career fWAR.
Look at the numbers I posted of the last 3 years.
Gardner .269 .365 .374 .740 100 SB
Span .271 .334 .367 .702 50 SB
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We could go on with this all day – b/c contrary to your position – Span posted a 2012 season that was to and beyond his career numbers. So, let’s just go with the most recent season on this argument. You conviently go back to a certain period of time that covers Gardner when he began starting – but then leave out Span performing more and past career numbers to the most relevant season of them all – 2012. Picking and choosing is not how best to do this – especially when you ignore more compelling data to fit into argument – - – -
I was under the belief that WAR was irrelevant for jf – if that is the case -
Gardner has never had a season WAR equal to Span’s best WAR season – - – -nice try LGY – - – -
blake November 29th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
There is basically no way not pitching Strasburg did anything positive for the Nats…..it went 5 games without him and they lost…..
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There is no way you can you can use absolutes – no one can say what Strasburg would have done – what we can know is what happened – and what happened is that Storen did an epic collapse in game 5 – the Nats had the chance – they blew – and it had nothing to do with Strasburg because it is IMPOSSIBLE to know what would have occurred ( just like it is impossible to know if Montero will live up to his lofty standards) – all we can go on is what happened. If the Nats had lost in three, four, or even blown out in game five – sure maybe it is better what if – what as far as regrets go – they only of Drew to blame and feel regretful – - – -
Gardner has never had a season WAR equal to Span’s best WAR season – – – -nice try LGY – – –
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You are the worst.
Gardner has had two seasons with a higher WAR than Span’s best.
We could go on with this all day – b/c contrary to your position – Span posted a 2012 season that was to and beyond his career numbers. So, let’s just go with the most recent season on this argument. You conviently go back to a certain period of time that covers Gardner when he began starting – but then leave out Span performing more and past career numbers to the most relevant season of them all – 2012. Picking and choosing is not how best to do this – especially when you ignore more compelling data to fit into argument – – – -
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The most recent season?
.283 .342 .395 .738 vs .323 .417 .387 .804
Span’s 2012 was below his career OPS, his OBP below his career OBP. The only thing beating his career is his SLG, which for a leadoff guy is not that big a deal and it is still under 400. Span for the first 2 years of his career was potentially an all-star CFer. He hit .305 .390 .422 .811. Since then .271 .334 .367 .702. The latter is far more representative because it is the most recent and is over the 3 most recent years. Projection systems do not go back further than 3 years for this reason.
I’d rather have Span that Gardner. Who knows if the wind blows too hard if Gardner will get hurt again & miss most of the season. Also, who hit behind Span? Gardner? A lot better hitters protected & even magnified Gardner’s results. Lastly, IMO Gardner never really stepped up to the plate when needed. He was lost as PR when told to steal 2nd Base.
the Nats had the chance – they blew – and it had nothing to do with Strasburg because it is IMPOSSIBLE to know what would have occurred
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Well good to know that no team in the history of the game could have ever improved their chances in a season by having different players play. Why have the offseason again? Or trade deadline? All the teams are just moving towards an inevitable conclusion!
Who knows if the wind blows too hard if Gardner will get hurt again & miss most of the season.
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Span has missed a lot of the past 2 seasons with injuries.
I bet they could get Morse for Nova if the Nats signed Laroche.
Nice RH bat
Later folks, have a good evening.
P.S. Gardner plays for the Yankees, Span does not, so who cares,
Its also comic to suggest that pitching the best or one of the best pitchers in the NL in the playoffs is not a good idea. lol.
“Nice RH bat”
Yup.
How good is he as a defender ?
Blake-
Morse would be a perfect fit for the Yankees. FA after next season and only making $6.75M.
How good is he as a defender ?
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Really bad
“How good is he as a defender ?”
Bad ….but he could probably handle a RF platoon and DH some
The Red Sox are talking to Adam LaRoche, reports Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. With the Sox reluctant to go beyond a three-year contract for Mike Napoli, LaRoche could be the team’s fallback plan. A three-year deal would top the Nationals’ best offer to the free agent first baseman, as the Nats “have been fairly steadfast” in not offering LaRoche more than two years. The Rangers have also been linked to both LaRoche and Napoli this offseason.
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Thanks for the info. blake/Patrick.
Really don’t want a “bad” defender out there.
$10M for Mo is great because the Yankees basically saved $5M re-signing him, put that $5M savings towards Kuroda’s $5M raise, and are paying the same amount of money for Mo and Kuroda in 2013 as they paid Mo and Kuroda for 2012, only Kuroda is making $15M and Mo is making $10M (they switched salaries.)
The Yanks overpaid for Pettitte because how is Mo worth only $10M but Pettitte is worth $12M? They gave a 50% paycut to Mo but a close to 500% raise to Pettitte? They should’ve signed Scott Baker to the $5.5M base the Cubs signed him for and told Pettitte $7.5M / triple your salary. Those two would’ve cost only $1M more than Pettitte’s contract.
Whatever. The 2013 Yankees pitching staff is set like this:
Rotation: Sabathia / Kuroda / Hughes / Pettitte / Nova (6.08 IP/GS, 153 SO up from 98, his 2011 and the good he did in 2012) with Phelps as rotation insurance in case someone gets injured or Hughes or Nova sucks so bad he has to be replaced in the rotation.
Bullpen: Rivera / Robertson / Logan / Chamberlain / Aardsma / Rapada / Eppley or Mickey Storey (or go with Eppley to start 2013 and replace him with Storey if he sucks unless Storey could sign elsewhere.)