Seven years later, another unlikely scenario
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 30, 2012 
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One interesting coincidence about the obvious comparison being made today…
Looks like it was exactly seven years ago — to the day — that Brian Cashman suggested Bubba Crosby could be the Yankees starting center fielder in 2006.
“Center field is not easy to fill,” Cashman said on November 30, 2005. “That’s why I continue to say that Bubba Crosby could very well be that guy. I know he’s sitting at home somewhere saying, ‘I hope they don’t do anything.’”
Of course, roughly a month later, the Yankees signed Johnny Damon, and within a year Crosby was out of the organization.
Question is: Given the Yankees financial limitations going forward, was there reason to believe Cashman today when he said another unproven in-house backup — Chris Stewart, Francisco Cervelli, etc. – could be a Yankees regular next season? Does Cervy stand a better chance than Bubba?
Chad,
In all honesty, I think Cervy’s days on the Yankees are counted. They just don’t trust his defense, and I don’t blame them to a point. I think this is Romine’s chance to shine. Probably they would get a better backup to team with him.
But I think Cervy is as good as gone
Yes. But not by much.
Brian Cashman : “Read my lips. No new catchers.”
Yes.
MTU,
That was a good one
If catching meant a lot to the Yankees, they would have re-signed Martin. They should be able to get close to his production from the current roster or some non-tender, at a much more reasonable price.
Hola Luis.
Hope you are well.
Our mutual friend is sick again.
In all honesty, I think Cervy’s days on the Yankees are counted. They just don’t trust his defense, and I don’t blame them to a point. I think this is Romine’s chance to shine. Probably they would get a better backup to team with him.
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If they go with Romine they should sign Jose Molina as the back up. Not expensive, but very smart and well liked by pitchers.
No chance the catcher is on the roster.
From the last thread:
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First time I went into a Waffle House I ordered pancakes. The waitress very snootily said this is Waffle House we don’t do pancakes. I of course in my best Yankee accent said why not pancake house does waffles. She just sighed and walked away from me.
True story sorry King blake I don’t like Waffle House.
some of you are acting like Martin was Jorge Posada in his prime.
HE HIT .210!!!!!
That was only because of a September surge that got him over .200.
You lose the power but dont tell me Cervelli can’t hit .210 and get on base at a 30% clip.
I don’t think the Yanks currently have a slugger who could rightfully be compared to Khal Drogo…. He would have to go to a Miggy C – Pujols type.
MTU,
Word is that he may not be among us within six months.
I am fine, thanks for asking. Hope that everything is awesome on your end.
Ac1,
Yup…. He would be a good teacher.
Chad,
One more thing, this time around I think there won’t be a surprise signing. No payroll flexibility, and they seem serious about the cap. A Swisher kind of trade might have more feasibility.
Too bad the the Yankees have decided to punt on O at the C spot.
Guys like Dickey, Berra, Howard, Munson, and Posada say hi.
What ever happened to the up the middle advantage ?
Don Zimmer can be the Spice King http://www.westeros.org/GoT/Gallery/Entry/7079
MTU November 30th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Too bad the the Yankees have decided to punt on O at the C spot.
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You are giving Russ Martin WAY TOO MUCH CREDIT!
Being a great bench coach who helped Torre immensely as well as a wise old guy with lots of knowledge, wouldn’t it be more appropriate for him to be a Maester?
I don’t think the point of it is look-a-liking.
Ac1,
For the record: I am actually happy that they didn’t signed Martin. At this point he would have been a slight improvement over a BUC. Meaning that he is just probably a very good BUC, but nothing more.
Luis-
Yes. Stable for now. Issues on the horizon though. I’m trying my best to enjoy the respite.
Maybe this time will be the charm w. respect to our friend.
I still miss Ned Stark. His family meant everything to him, including the sacrifice of his head.
AC-
Who said I was referring to Martin ?
AC-
Who said I was referring to Martin ?
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Touche….. But there are no good options out there and we can’t look back. I believe Cashma will still do whats best for this team and I dont blame him for this money issue. He is just working with what Hal gives him. We can argue that if Cash made the decisions we wouldnt have Alex’s contract weighing us down…. He didnt want him back in 2007.
MTU,
I will have your loved ones in my prayers. That whatever happens, happens for the best my friend.
While I 100% believe the team should be able to function under 189M, I think the motivation behind it is ridiculous. They aren’t broke! They just got money for YES. Are they going to bring down ticket prices because they are bringing down the payroll? NO! Water is still 6 bucks. Beer is still 10 bucks and ticket prices are still out of control.
I think, at this point, you have to see what Romine can give you.
Enough is enough, if the kid is ready, give him the job.
ac-
Again you misread me.
Where did I say I blamed Cashman for Hal’s tight wallet ?
I disagree that their are NO good options.
And in the future I hope we return to the model.
Perhaps Sanchez will be that. If not it will need to be someone else.
Please ask me what I meant next time.
JOBA = WHITE WALKER
ac1 – I completely agree.
If they want a Pirates payroll, they need to give us Pirates ticket prices.
MTU i didnt mean you!
I mean the general comments about Cashman ‘letting martin go’…..
I’m making two arguments here.
To the person suggesting Soriano AND Soria, we already have a good bullpen and we have Mark Montgomery who is waiting for the day he gets called up.
Luis-
Thank you. All such things are appreciated, and I believe they help.
You’re a good friend.
I disagree that their are NO good options.
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Who? AJ Pierzynski? Napoli? (not for what he is asking)
“i did not have relations with that catcher” – cashman
Gotcha ac. Sorry if I misread YOU.
To the person suggesting Soriano AND Soria, we already have a good bullpen and we have Mark Montgomery who is waiting for the day he gets called up.
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True but they can always add another reliever to an already stacked pen.
ac-
Yes. The former if we can get the yrs. and money right (doubt we can).
I like that left-handed bat at NYS.
I do not buy into all the other stuff.
We do have a good bullpen….but lets be real here…..Mariano is 43 and is coming off ACL surgery….Robertson took a step back last year and was hurt once….Joba is who knows…..Aardsma is who knows….and Montgomery probably won’t be up until the 2nd half….
I’m not overly concerned…..not concerned enough to go spend a bunch on a reliever…..but if they could get Soria or Wilson on a cheap re-establish value type deal then they absolutely should
no worries. we want the same thing. a successful team!
i dont know about you but i believe we can win without a superstar catcher.
i DO think we need a good hitting RFer though. I dont know the best option (dont want to trade 4 players for Upton), but i think we can win with a good RF and a decent catcher for 1 year. Hell maybe Posada has the itch to come back since we are so concerned with having a catcher that can hit homeruns.
Blake-
I can see Wilson going to the Sux.
I think he’d fit in there.
I like that left-handed bat at NYS.
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We need RH bats, not more lefties.
Last year with Martin we still sucked vs. lefties. Another Lefty isnt going to help (plus gardner will be back in the lineup). ARod and Jeter would be the righties? And Tex after June?
Considering the $$$ involved with either Wilson or Soria, the Yanks would Definitely need an option on a 2nd yr. The 1st season after a surgery like this is usually up-and-down.
Great decision by the Yankees to avoid overpaying a mediocre catcher.
I liked Martin but he is replaceable. You’re talking about your 8th or 9th hitter. Most teams take the hit there offensively and the Yankees should do no differently.
With that said, no thanks on Cervelli. He shouldn’t even be on the team anymore, sucks.
Plan to let Romine and Stewart duke it out in spring training. If someone like Jose Molina is available, get him for cheap.
we need a RH bat….but a left handed hitting catcher to pair with Romine would be ideal
offer AJ a nice 1 year deal…..if he doesn’t take it and they can’t trade for anybody then just let Romine catch and try to get the best back up you can.
No need to spend any more $$ on the bullpen. We’ve already overpaid for Rivera despite a restructured, 43 year old ACL.
Address it with home grown talent..there are plenty of guys in AAA that can be groomed for the pen.
ac-
we do want the same thing. It’s just how we’d go about it.
I like the LH bat because AJ P. has power, and that short porch would help.
The guy can hit in any case. And personally I wouldn’t mind seeing a guy who has an edge again. some attitude.
Yup. a good RF replacement would be nice. I’d love Upton but I do not think the Yankees have the will.
Here we go with the Platoon Happy Routine again.
blake i agree on that AJ/Romine comment.
In fact, I’d just as soon give Romine and Stewart the chance to battle it out in ST and then platoon them over the season, save $.
Catcher should be the least of our concerns.
MTU November 30th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Shame-
You piqued my curiosity a while back but I never had a chance to follow thru on it.
If you don’t mind telling me. I’d like to know what the 2nd most expensive university in the U.S. is ?
And my other question is, what sort of work do you do that allows to be on the Internet this much ?
By the way, I saw your comment from this AM about the “E” twins.
Yup. I miss them both.
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Hey MTU!! Actually, I did a quick search after to see what the rankings were and I have to say, they must be reporting the very base tuition to determine the most expensive school, because I paid more than all that were listed for each year. In the rankings I found, the highest annual dollar amount was $43k, and I paid more lol. And also, I have a friend that goes to George Washington that paid more than I did, and said it’s because that was actually the most expensive in the country. Now.. the discrepancy could be for a few reasons, I think the Ivys have better financial packages to offset the costs.. it could also have to do with not including the housing costs and just the base tuition for a year.. a few factors.. but I know I paid more than a friend that went to Columbia and I don’t get the fancy Ivy education for it, so I f*cked up.
I work in HR… I field calls all day and get yelled at by professors on the regular. If my boss ever did a search of my internet usage I’m sure I’d be fired. I spent half my day yesterday searching ‘blow up baby jesus’ on google… what I meant was INFLATABLE baby jesus, but I could see how one might misinterpret it………
I’d like keppinger, soria, Ruiz or Aj P, and JU or Gordon.
But I’ll probably get nix, stewart, ichiro, and cabral instead.
“In fact, I’d just as soon give Romine and Stewart the chance to battle it out in ST and then platoon them over the season, save $.”
that’s a pretty awful duo though offensively…..AJ would be great to pair with Romine then you hope Romine can take over full time for the league min. in 2014
MTU,
don’t fall into realism….keep your dreams !
Maybe we can coax Matt Nokes out of retirement for 2013.
287 .338 .536 .874
that’s what AJ hit vs RHP last year…..now it was a career year but that’s dang good for a catcher…..let Romine play vs a lot of the lefties and you have a good catcher position.
Shame-
Thank you for responding. So which school did you attend ?
I didn’t get that part.
I paid for 10 yrs. straight on my student loan. I was the only idiot in the whole world who actually paid one off.
that’s what AJ hit vs RHP last year…..now it was a career year but that’s dang good for a catcher…..let Romine play vs a lot of the lefties and you have a good catcher position.
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In this case, shouldn’t Romine start in AAA playing everyday and let Cervelli hit vs. lefties, where he has been pretty good in his time here?
I went to and work for NYU.. thank god there are enough Jaclyn’s working here that no one will be able to find me
Blake-
I still think a big trade is possible.
It was like 52k annually. They fleeced me man, but now they pay me so I can pay them back
Shame-
Thanks.
I thought maybe you worked for yourself.
On 2nd thought maybe you do ?
“that’s a pretty awful duo though offensively…..AJ would be great to pair with Romine then you hope Romine can take over full time for the league min. in 2014″
blake, who cares? its the 9 hole and plenty of teams operate like this. its a luxury to have a hitting catcher, but you can get by without one.
as long as these guys can minimize the strikeouts and call good games, they should be fine.
I used to love Matty Nokes. Some of the Yankee teams before the dynasty started, had a lot of fun players on them.
Put me down as being fine with AJ taking over catching duties. I think that overall he has been a good teammate, it is just the fact that he is such a punk when you’re playing against him that people look at and hate.
AJP would be fine, again though it has to be the right type of contract which might be tough to lock down.
MTU – If you saw how much I actually get done even being on this site all day you’d be shocked… but it’s kind of amazing. The bureaucratic nature of the work makes everything a hurry up and wait situation. And I usually just keep a private browser open so I can check in here while the awful systems we use are loading.
@jcrasnick
#Phillies plan to non-tender outfielder Nate Schierholtz, source says. He was eligible for salary arbitration.
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A likely candidate for RF
Jeff Passan ?@JeffPassan
Sources: MLB working with Nippon Professional Baseball to overhaul posting system. Details here: http://yhoo.it/YfVuzd
#Phillies plan to non-tender outfielder Nate Schierholtz, source says. He was eligible for salary arbitration.
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A likely candidate for RF
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A non-tender candidate as a starting RF?
Might as well just go with Scott Hairston and Ichiro. (which is whats going to happen)
I believe you Shame.
And even if I didn’t I wouldn’t rat you out.
“blake, who cares? its the 9 hole and plenty of teams operate like this. its a luxury to have a hitting catcher, but you can get by without one.”
i’m greedy and I’m also not wild about the rest of the offense currently so I’d really rather not punt any of the 9 spots
One time I searched something about endowment that was totally misinterpreted by Google.
Totally.
I’m leaving that right there Shame.
This is a PG blog after all.
A non-tender candidate as a starting RF?
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A non-tender candidate that OPS’d .800 vs RHP, so yea, probably.
what can they get for a Cervelli Gardner package
joeman November 30th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
what can they get for a Cervelli Gardner package
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Probably not another catcher and an OFer, which is what we need.
Whatever GGBG would get you.
Shame Spencer November 30th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
joeman November 30th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
what can they get for a Cervelli Gardner package
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Probably not another catcher and an OFer, which is what we need.
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my point..that will tell everyone what they are worth & it might be possible they both are starters here…crazy stuff
A non-tender candidate that OPS’d .800 vs RHP, so yea, probably.
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and vs. lefties? we sucked vs lefties. they will resign ichiro and he will face righties.
what can they get for a Cervelli Gardner package
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Not what i would do, but they can also sign Haren and add Hughes to that package. That could net something.
and vs. lefties? we sucked vs lefties. they will resign ichiro and he will face righties.
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Or they will sign Nate, who will be under control for 2014 and then get someone to face lefties like they would if they signed Ichiro, but cheaper and more cost controlled going forward.
Nate is going to make half as much or less than Ichiro
http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....ltz-72332/
Info on Nate.
Or they will sign Nate, who will be under control for 2014 and then get someone to face lefties like they would if they signed Ichiro, but cheaper and more cost controlled going forward.
Nate is going to make half as much or less than Ichiro
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Its certainly a feasible option…. Who would they get to face the lefties?
blake,
I can appreciate your greediness…we were VERY spoiled with Posada for many years.
If the Yankees are serious about trying to win it all in 2013, they better bring in a big bat. Doesn’t have to be a big catcher. Any number of corner outfielders would do, via trade or free agency.
I’m not a supporter of signing Hamilton, but if he’ll take 3 years and sign a “If I Booze I Lose (my contract)” clause, I could come around. THAT is a win-now move.
ac1 November 30th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
what can they get for a Cervelli Gardner package
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Not what i would do, but they can also sign Haren and add Hughes to that package. That could net something.
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I’m ready for that.
Its certainly a feasible option…. Who would they get to face the lefties?
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Hairston or whoever they were going to get to platoon with Ichiro.
The Yankees are fools if they sign Nate Schierholtz. What a loser.
I don’t buy that they’re seriously in on that guy.
They’ll bring back Ichiro for RF and try to add a stud in LF.
I’d love to see them deal Nova or Hughes plus Granderson to the DBacks for Upton.
If the Yankees are serious about trying to win it all in 2013, they better bring in a big bat. Doesn’t have to be a big catcher. Any number of corner outfielders would do, via trade or free agency.
I’m not a supporter of signing Hamilton, but if he’ll take 3 years and sign a “If I Booze I Lose (my contract)” clause, I could come around. THAT is a win-now move.
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Win now and suck for the next 5 years…
I’d love to see them deal Nova or Hughes plus Granderson to the DBacks for Upton.
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Upton is a FA when?
Hughes and Granderson are after 2013, so unless the DBacks are only looking to this year, the deal would be Nova for Upton.
I’d rather see them deal Nova.
I really came around on Hughes this season. He had his struggles, but he battled..even did ok in the playoffs.
Nova looks like a pouty little girl on the mound every time a hitter went yard on him.
ac1,
Exactly right. Its a salary dump for the DBacks since Nova costs next to nothing and has decent upside as a SP. Grandreson fills the hole for a year and they get a draft pick when he leaves.
Prince, I think they can get more for Upton from other teams than a salary dump and Nova.
ac1,
I’m fine with winning this season and sucking for a few years. Championships are hard to come by these days and if sucking for a few years means building the farm back up and bringing in home grown, young talent again like we did back in the mid 90s, I’ll gladly take that route.
2017 will be the greatest year of all time for the Yankees when ARod’s sorry a$$ is gone.
ac1, we can always throw in someone else like Gardner.
Catch you all later.
I’m fine with winning this season and sucking for a few years. Championships are hard to come by these days and if sucking for a few years means building the farm back up and bringing in home grown, young talent again like we did back in the mid 90s, I’ll gladly take that route.
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Then why not suck in 2013 and start fresh in 2014 instead of trading parts of our future for Upton?
“I can appreciate your greediness…we were VERY spoiled with Posada for many years.”
yes….yes we were
Gardner brings speed to this lineup that depends only on HRs. His presence is important. I wouldnt throw him in as a throwaway piece in an Upton deal…Plus in your scenario now you are trading Granderson and Gardner for Upton, who i feel like is a free agent in a year or two anyway…
ac1,
They could have, but if they’re going that route, why sign old guys like Pettitte, Kuroda, Mo, et al???
Those signings aren’t just for the sake of short term. they’re win now moves…otherwise, let em walk/sign elsewhere.
I’m sure no one likes reading that about Mo/Pettitte, but its a business.
Might as well have let Mo walk and put the money towards a three year deal with Soriano or just handed the closer role to someone else.
I think the Yankees are going to use 2013 to see what they have with Robertson and Joba. If Joba gets back to form and stays healthy i can see him and Robertson at the back of the pen in 2014….. If they are willing to hold onto Joba which i doubt.
ac1, Upton just signed a five year deal last season.
and gardner is more than expendable.
if you’re that worried about losing him, invest in Michael Bourn for CF for the next 5 years. he’s a proven commodity unlike Gardner.
Upton is signed until 2015
if you’re that worried about losing him, invest in Michael Bourn for CF for the next 5 years. he’s a proven commodity unlike Gardner.
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Hard to see how signing Bourn to replace Gardner is a good idea. He is going to get overpaid, is 30, and Gardner has been just as effective. He is hardly a ‘proven commodity’
Jerkface, that’s right…he signed it in 2010 (my how time flies).
Still, it was a 6 year contract for $51M…that’s like $8.5M a year…a bargain for the upside of a guy like Upton.
Also, I’m not lobbying for Bourn, although I think he’d be a good fit. I’d just as soon wait a year or two until Williams is ready and give him a shot.
Gardner is more than expendable in the right deal.
So is Nova.
So is Hughes.
@AdamRubinESPN
Just spoke with Mike Pelfrey, who has been informed he has been non-tendered. Will have quotes on blog soon.
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Pelfrey would be fine backup if signed, allowing the Yankees to trade 1 of their starters
Sign Hamilton and trade whichever of Granderson/Gardner brings you the most and best fit back….
@jonmorosi: #Dbacks want Andrelton Simmons from #Braves in Justin Upton talks. This is why Justin Upton has not joined BJ in Atlanta — yet.
Id make that trade of I’m the Braves….J Upton and Heyward in the same lineup is too good to pass up
Shame,
I feel you. I graduated from a grad program at NYU in May. I got my first loan repayment statement this week. I’m still nauseous.
@mlbtraderumors: Braves To Non-Tender Jurrjens, Moylan http://t.co/PAAqn4r6 #mlb
Id check in to him
Martin on radio now
Martin said that he thought Cash wanted him back but he couldn’t get the green light on money.
Hi Blake just stopped in to say hello. Didn’t even know Martin was gone until I saw the threads.
What are your big FA choices?
Hey Gary, Id like to sign Hamilton if price is right but probably wont be
Looks like there is finally an opening at catcher for Bubba Crosby…the type of surprise move that Cash always makes.
Haven’t kept up with it, when the Giants are playing I sort of block out baseball. Yankee fans here which are many all say Yanks are in big trouble. To a man and a woman lol we are hoping that ARod goes to Miami.
I just read that Mets non-tendered Mike Pelfrey–interesting arm to my thinking.
They should claim Pelfrey
They cannot claim him, he is a free agent, so they’ll have to sign him.
“At the beginning we talked a lot but since that time, zero,’’ agent Tony Attanasio said of discussions with the Yankees. “As far as we are concerned we don’t care what the Yankees do. We have had conversations with multiple clubs. If we see something we like he will go through with it.’
Read more: Ichiro out of patience with Yankees, talking with other teams http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....z2DkQuVkvq
So Hal couldn’t spare 17MM over 2 years for their favorite catcher? Is this a joke?
Jerkface says:
November 30, 2012 at 5:31 pm
They cannot claim him, he is a free agent, so they’ll have to sign him.
Yea that’s what I meant….
I’m sure Pelfrey will get a good paycheck somewhere….some talent there….
Pelfrey is the type of pitcher that Dave Duncan turns into a 20 game winner
I don’t think many teams will give Ichiro any more than the Yanks would and any bigger role….so I guess if he wants to sign early with somebody ok…..
If Cash can’t swing a deal for an impact bat for the OF his fall back plan could be a platoon of Cody Ross/Ichiro, Gardner in CF and Grandy in LF. It should at least match the production they lose from Swisher while making it a better defensive outfield all around (although I’m not sure about Ross’s D?). Gardner’s a pretty underrated all around player IMO, he was greatly missed last year. A defensive outfield of Gardner, Ichiro and Grandy will get to a ton of balls.
I like Ichy but would be fine with a Dickerson/Nunez platoon in RF.
@JimBowdenESPNxm: Russell Martin told us at SiriusXM that Brian Cashman never got the “green light” from the people handling the money to make him an offer
I also liked Martin but am fine with him leaving…not wortht he long-term contract given the budget going forward. I think a platoon with Cervelli and a LH bat would be fine. The big question is if Cervelli has regained the defensive ability his seemed to have when he first came up.
By the time Cashman is ready to talk to the free agent position players all of the good ones will be signed. Cashman better get busy talking. Just wait until next off season when the Dogers offer Cano $230m and he walks because the Yanks can’t afford to match their offers.
@AnthonyMcCarron: “Like I’ve been saying, I didn’t want to go out like that. I didn’t want that to be the last image,” Rivera said in a release.
@hoynsie: #Indians non-tendered Jack Hannahan, Rafael Perez and Chris Seddon. Hannahan was the only one still on 40-man roster. Roster at 39.
@Ken_Rosenthal: Rivera contract with #Yankees: One year: $10M plus following incentives. $500K for LCS/MVP, $1M for WS/MVP, $1M for winning Rolaids award.
Why would Cashman be unable to make any offer? Rather amazing. Now, Ichiro.
If Ichiro is tired of waiting, he can take his 39 year old a$$ elsewhere. He was a short term patch and nothing more.
I like him but him losing patience is not of concern to me.
Cashman will put the full court press on Ibanez at the winter meetings…..fasten your seatbelts
If I had to guess, i’d say that Cervelli has only a slightly better chance of being the Yankees’ starting catcher next year than does Bubba Crosby
I’d rather see Bubba Crosby catch than Francisco Cervelli.