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Friday night notes and links: Romine, Rivera, Heathcott

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 30, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It’s been kind of a busy day. Or maybe it just feels that way because I started it by standing on top of a building early in the morning. Here are a few additional notes and links as we head into the weekend.

• With the Yankees opening behind the plate, Jack Curry made the case that Austin Romine should be given a legitimate chance to start at catcher next year. “As the Yankees march toward a world where their payroll will be under $189 million, they need some talented players who are also inexpensive,” Curry wrote. “Romine can be one of them. Why not give him a chance to show it?”

• Ken Rosenthal has the incentives in Mariano Rivera’s contract: $500,000 for ALCS MVP, $1 million for World Series MVP and $1 million for Rolaids award.

• Detroit seemed to be a possible landing spot for Rafael Soriano, but the Detroit News reports that the Tigers are not shopping for a closer and will let a prospect try to win the job in spring training.

Speaking of former Yankees relievers, Cory Wade became a free agent today.

• Russell Martin is officially with the Pirates. The signing was announced this afternoon.”It’s going to be different,” Martin said. “It’s going to be a challenge but I think the Pirates have a young and electric club. There is a lot of talent there and I don’t think we’re as far away as winning as maybe people outside baseball think we are.”

• To open a roster spot for Martin, the Pirates designated Jeff Karstens for assignment. Karstens has pitched pretty well since going to Pittsburgh in the Damaso Marte/Xavier Nady trade.

• Baseball America named Slade Heathcott the sixth-best prospect in the Arizona Fall League. None of the other Yankees made the list, but Heathcott won a spot ahead of some fairly significant names. BA notes that one evaluator considered Heathcott the top prospect in the league.

• In the wake of B.J. Upton’s contract becoming official, Jon Heyman took a look at the outfield free agent market and noted that “a four-year deal seems well within reach” for Nick Swisher. Heyman also says that Shane Victorino, who’s been loosely linked to the Yankees, already has some three-year offers. Speaking of Swisher, he told USA Today that he’s not paying attention to the coverage of his free agency.

• Baseball America’s latest minor league transactions include no Yankees surprises. Kevin Russo has signed with the Tigers, but we already knew that. The only other name that stood out to me was lefty Wilkin De La Rosa who re-signed with the Reds. De La Rosa was actually on the Yankees 40-man for about 20 minutes one year. He pitched pretty well for the Reds Double-A team last season.

• Finally, our old friend Chan-Ho Park has retired from baseball.

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233 Responses to “Friday night notes and links: Romine, Rivera, Heathcott”

  1. Jerkface November 30th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    I thought they’d re-sign Reynolds, but he may be asking for more than they want to pay. He is a butcher at third, so he is really only a first baseman, and he doesn’t hit as good as a first baseman should. Maybe the kind of guy you can live with at third for 40 games but he is essentially as bad as Nunez.

    he can ‘mash’ and put up an average OBP but he is another low avg all power guy, and bad defense, so probably pass

  2. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Id like him as a platoon DH bat but he probably can get more PT than that from somebody

  3. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    • Baseball America named Slade Heathcott the sixth-best prospect in the Arizona Fall League. None of the other Yankees made the list, but Heathcott won a spot ahead of some fairly significant names. BA notes that one evaluator considered Heathcott the top prospect in the league.”

    Pretty high praise….if they start him at Trenton next year and he hits then his value is gonna explode

  4. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    I agree with Curry….unless they can trade for a guy like Santana or unless AJ will do a one year deal….then Id just see what Romine can do

  5. jacksquat November 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    Salaries 2012 -> 2013
    (this is not AAV)

    Arod -1
    Jeter +1
    Mo -5
    Cano +1
    Soriano -11
    Swisher -10.25
    Granderson +5
    Kuroda +5
    Martin -7.5
    Garcia -4
    Feliciano -4
    Hughes +2.5
    Jones -2
    Logan +0.925
    Joba +0.125
    DRob +1.1
    Raul -1.1
    Chavez -0.9
    Nix +0.5
    Pettitte +9.5

    =====

    -20.1 million

  6. jacksquat November 30th, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    Let me know if I missed something significant.

    I used projected arb raises from MLBTR.

  7. jacksquat November 30th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    Players with no change or projected change in salary not listed.

  8. Pat M. November 30th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    blake…….The plan was for Austin to move into the starting position in 2013 when Martin’s contract expired ….However as we know he started to get dinged up in 2011 and 2012 was a loss on many fronts…..At this point just pencil him in see what you have……..Many in the game just don’t know what to expect from The Yanks but it’s really starting to look like Hal is trimming expenses from the top to the bottom of the Organization……..They’re going to look real nice when he puts them on the market…..

  9. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    @mlbtraderumors: Nationals Non-Tender John Lannan http://t.co/QbvQhiDV #mlb

  10. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Pat m,
    You’ve been saying for awhile that Hal was gonna sell….Im starting to believe you. I do hope they understand though that the Yankee brand is all about winning…..and if they let the standard they have set start to slip the the value of the franchise will slip with it….of course it’ll still be worth tons….the Dodgers were sold soley on potential…..but it benefits everyone for the yanks to remain a powerhouse

  11. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Some fairly interesting non tenders this year

  12. Pat M. November 30th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    blake…….Just think what next Dec 1 st is going to be like with the rotation clsoe to being eligible for Medicare, Hughes, Joba and Cano free agents and Rivera will be gone…..Of course some of this can change and I’m certain the club will look different come February……..The real question is, how much different ?????

  13. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Pat M,

    On the Yanks current course it’s pretty difficult to see how they’ll be very good in 2014….a big chuck of the team is either really old or on a one year deal…..and I think there is a very real chance that 2013 is Cano’s last year in pinstripes

  14. jacksquat November 30th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    Pat M. November 30th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
    blake…….Just think what next Dec 1 st is going to be like with the rotation clsoe to being eligible for Medicare, Hughes, Joba and Cano free agents and Rivera will be gone

    Likely Pettitte and Kuroda gone as well.

    So actually, the 2014 rotation as it stands now will be pretty young…

    CC
    Pineda (start praying)
    Nova
    Phelps

  15. jmills November 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Upon this first snow when it took me 5 hours to get home, a most nice person gave me a recent article with the surviving partner of Sir Gilles Villeneuve ( got me pushing the Subaru over a curb and on by the locals ) – lucky guy that I am. Bobby Orr is the only hockey thing that can compare to Gilles and opposite wheel lock. In baseball, I don’t know, maybe Koufax making 300 a muted, moot point.

  16. blake November 30th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    @AdamKilgoreWP: Flores expected; he had a rough year and the Nats have catching depth. Gorzelanny a surprise. He was solid, Nats thin with lefty relievers.

  17. blake November 30th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    Several back end guys available should yanks trade. Starter..

  18. BoJo December 1st, 2012 at 12:03 am

    Martin said. “It’s going to be a challenge but I think the Pirates have a young and electric club. There is a lot of talent there and I don’t think we’re as far away as winning as maybe people outside baseball think we are.”

    TRANSLATION: “They paid me more than any other team.”

  19. JoeMimic December 1st, 2012 at 12:09 am

    Geovany Soto non tendered. He was pretty terrible last year but I think Cashman might at least take a look.

  20. Pat M. December 1st, 2012 at 12:27 am

    Bojo…….Actually the Pirates are on the cusp of being a good solid ballclub……The past two seasons they fade in the back nine of the season…..This past season they didn’t fade as fast as in 2011…….To be honest they’re ready to break out and in many ways I wish the Yanks had their future over the next 5-7 years…….

  21. jmills December 1st, 2012 at 1:05 am

    Baseball players are quite big ( not just roids ) – my memory is of the svelt Guidry and Stieb – I wouldn’t want to be Clemens no matter what. We should all be discussing Maddux a whole lot more.

    Stieb gets criticized a lot for his distant ” angry ” perception – what I was impressed with was how on Mr. Dave Stieb day here, his daughter was by his side, happy.

    In my Blue Jay world, Stieb is Mr. Blue ffffing Jay ( always has been ) along with Tom Cheek – just the way it is.

    I am lucky enough to remember Munson, and of course there is a Blue Jay connection in Rick Cerone,……I wish there wasn’t.

    Stieb deserved that ring more than anyone in ’92…and I do think if you asked anyone who knows, they’d say, we’re here because Stieb put us thus.

    2 lost no hitters back to back last out. Ryan could be dominant, Stieb could be exquisite.I never saw Koufax and was too young for Saeaver, but I did watch Guidry’s great year with massive attention. Rumour is, Mac, Peter Bavasi turned down a trade for Guidry that would of made of him an instant Jay ( in spring ’77 for a veteren starter who had some success in l.A.) – who is that pitcher?

    :)

    Hint, he began opening watchamacallit.

    Thank little goddess Guidry didn’t end up in Toronto, ….complete waste!

    When Winfield hit that seagull I thought it was over regarding Toronto’s chances on him, but I guess he just went at it so bad with George, Toronto still seemed viable in options.

    So, thanks N.Y., ….for Winny and Pat Gillick, Dave Collins for Dale murray – thank you. We’ve had some great games over the years and it is always good to know I got the chance to be in the A.L. East with you!

  22. jmills December 1st, 2012 at 1:19 am

    Crap, ” Murray “, not, ” murray “.

    One day, I’ll get it right ( perfect ) – give or take.

  23. jmills December 1st, 2012 at 1:25 am

    Crap,…I spelt Seaver’s name wrong ( betcha’ you’re not too unhappy ’bout that ! :) )

  24. jmills December 1st, 2012 at 1:44 am

    Its going to be a great year, I promise.

  25. Duh Innings II December 1st, 2012 at 4:10 am

    If the Yanks can’t get AJ, then they should give Romine a shot at catching.

  26. RadioKev December 1st, 2012 at 7:04 am

    OK, I’m willing to back away from the ledge on the whole catching situation. I still don’t like it though. ;)

    Yeah Blake, Heathcott could really explode next season too. Tyler Austin could make an impact too if he can repeat last season’s production.

  27. blake December 1st, 2012 at 7:21 am

    Yanks should check in to Reynolds, Jair, Pelfrey, Soto, Wilson….and potentially other guys like Lannon if they dealt a starter

    Can’t believe the Royals tendered a deal to Hocheaver….

    Yes….Austin’s value will jump big if he hits in AA as well…..both he and Heathcott are already top 50 guys…..if they hit in AA next year they could jump into the top 20 on a lot of lists ( especially Heathcott because he plays CF)

  28. RadioKev December 1st, 2012 at 7:21 am

    Ha, what the heck is this? I Googled “why is aj pierzynski so hated” and came up with this. A homer piece on AJ, attacking Boone Logan of all people.

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports.....r-too.html

    Total homer writing, but it does give me something to chew on.

  29. RadioKev December 1st, 2012 at 7:24 am

    Just on reading about them, seems to me Austin is more of a sure thing prospect. He’ll make the show at some point. Heathcott just has the crazy upside over him, so he’s a bit more exicitng.

  30. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 7:25 am

    I’m okay with Romine and Cervelli if they upgrade the offense elsewhere. Cashman at least suggested yesterday they could still to add a quality player. I hope so.

  31. blake December 1st, 2012 at 7:27 am

    Austin has been healthier….Heathcotts risk has. Lot to do with health just because he’s been hurt so much…..he might be the most talented player they have in their system though ….I guess Austin probably does have a higher floor though

  32. Yankee Trader December 1st, 2012 at 7:29 am

    Good morning Blake and Kev-

    Just looked over the non tendered list and stats.

    The best lefty pitcher, swing-man, is Tom Gorzelanny of the Nats, who has had 2 good years in a row, better than Lannon.

    Don’t see any non-tendered catchers better than what the Yankees now have.

    BTW Ichiro is now talking to other teams, since the Yankees have not talked to his agent at all recently.

  33. blake December 1st, 2012 at 7:30 am

    I don’t think they’d ever go with a Romine/ Cervelli tandem….. Romine is inexperienced and they don’t like Cervelli’s defense…..can’t see them pairing a rookie with shaky defender…..

    My guess is if they go with Romine then it’ll either be Stewart or they’ll go get somebody like Soto that’s more established

  34. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 7:30 am

    Interesting article on Pierzynski. I don’t think they would spend the money on him, but who knows.

    Cashman’s comments yesterday made me wonder if the team is hearing some of the disgruntled feelings from the fans. Huge Yes sales money and continued payroll reduction has to be questioned by the average fan.

  35. blake December 1st, 2012 at 7:32 am

    “Don’t see any non-tendered catchers better than what the Yankees now have.l”

    Soto I guess could be…but he’s been pretty terrible offensively for awhile now too

  36. Yankee Trader December 1st, 2012 at 7:32 am

    And good morning Austinmac-

    The Braves could pair up brothers Upton if they let go of SS Simmons.

  37. blake December 1st, 2012 at 7:35 am

    “The Braves could pair up brothers Upton if they let go of SS Simmons.”

    Yea….I think they’ll try hard to make a deal without Simmons but doubt they can ….it’s a tough call but Id probably bite the bullet and deal Simmons for J Upton if I had to…..I like Simmons a lot and he’s a nasty defender….has the chance to be Elvis Andrus or more IMO….but to have J Uptpn and Heyward hitting back to back for the next 3-4 years is just too enticing and the braves so have some other decent in house SS options coming

  38. Yankee Trader December 1st, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Blake-

    Just looking at my USA Today Sports Weekly and Geovany Soto’s SB% was .800 as a Ranger, pretty bad.

  39. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 7:35 am

    YT,

    Good morning. The Daily News had an article which gives some small hope for real efforts to improve the team. I grasp what I can. It was the first article in which Cashman’s main point hasn’t been to reduce expectations.

  40. blake December 1st, 2012 at 7:36 am

    Hopefully Cashman will buy Towers like 12 scotches in Nashville and then begin J Upton trade talks ;)

  41. blake December 1st, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Trader,

    Yes….but Soto was pretty good at one point and as a back up option Id consider him

  42. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Barajas steal percent is even worse than Soto. That’s why, I suppose, Martin can get what he did.

  43. Yankee Trader December 1st, 2012 at 7:38 am

    Mac-

    Despite the club edict to get the payroll under $189 million by 2014, GM Brian Cashman says Yankees will still be force to be reckoned with

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z2DnrijuaC

    Thanks I’m reading it now.

  44. RadioKev December 1st, 2012 at 7:38 am

    Good morning folks…

    Reading another AJ article. This one is much better. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

    Maybe my mind can be changed on him. He’s going to command less than Martin.

    Remember when we signed AJ Burnett and there was talks of his attitude and what not? He turned out to be a pretty good guy. And he was also healthy. In fact, all the things that us fans were hesistant about were non-issues…just everything else was.

  45. RadioKev December 1st, 2012 at 7:41 am

    From that SI article:

    Chris Sale, who has in his first year as a starter become a Cy Young candidate — he is 15-4, with a 2.65 ERA — believes he knows a primary reason for his, and the staff’s, success. “I put everything on A.J.,” Sale said. “I don’t call my own game, I don’t ever shake him off. Whatever fingers he puts down, that’s what I’m throwing. I’ve never shaken him off. Never.”

  46. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 7:45 am

    Kev,

    Another good article. Heck, maybe he is the kind of guy they need. Add him, sign a good right handed outfield bat, and I feel pretty good.

  47. Yankee Trader December 1st, 2012 at 7:46 am

    Just read the NY Daily News article. Cashman is addressing all of us LoHud fans!

    Josh Hamilton on a one year? He’s already getting 3 year offers to stay in Texas and the Brewers apparently are in on him.

    Blake-Stll have high hopes for Upton? His brother has high hopes for him joining him in the OF for the Braves.

  48. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 7:50 am

    YT,

    At least Cashman has made the winter meetings more interesting with his comments.

  49. RadioKev December 1st, 2012 at 7:52 am

    Yeah Austimac, my thing is I’m just not comfortable with Cervelli as our starter. He’s not a good enough defensive catcher, and his bat is just passable at best. Stewart is a fine back up with defensive skills, but an even worse bat.

    I’d almost rather roll the dice and see if Romine can take the job, than start either of those guys. There’s a lot of nuance to catching, it would be much more preferable of Romine were the back up to a guy he can learn from.

  50. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Good morning.

    Here’s my current OS wish list :

    Keppinger
    Soria
    Haren
    Jaso, Aj P., or Ruiz
    Gordon, Upton, headley, or the like

  51. Yankee Trader December 1st, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Blake-

    Sorry I missed your response to the Upton brothers.

    There could be hope that the Braves, Yankees and DBacks could be involved in a 3-way deal.

    The Braves really want a lead-off hitter, and plan to use BJ Upton in the middle of the order. Martin Prado is an ideal #2.

    Interest in Brett Gardner? Some combination where the principles in a 3-way deal are Gardner, Simmons, Upton, with the Yankees and Braves adding pitchers that go to the DBacks.

  52. blake December 1st, 2012 at 7:55 am

    “Josh Hamilton on a one year? He’s already getting 3 year offers to stay in Texas and the Brewers apparently are in on him.

    Blake-Stll have high hopes for Upton? His brother has high hopes for him joining him in the OF for the Braves.”

    I think the only way the Yankees get Hamilton is if either he will do a one year deal …..or if they could work out a creative deal where there is an opt out after year 1……Hamilton would probably take it if he had a good 2013…..the issue obviously is the risk he didn’t and then you’re stuck with him and pretty much would have to let Cano walk to stay on budget.

    Upton? No I think that’s probably not happening but i still will hope….I think the Braves are gonna pull out all the stops to get him and honestly the first team between the braves/Rangers to blink on a SS probably gets him.

    Cashman would have to get creative with a 3rd team like maybe the Indians to get Upton Probably

  53. RadioKev December 1st, 2012 at 7:56 am

    MTU, I think Headley is just a pipe dream now :(

    Bummer!

  54. RadioKev December 1st, 2012 at 7:58 am

    So do we think there’s a benefit to having brothers on a team?

  55. Yankee Trader December 1st, 2012 at 7:58 am

    Kev-

    Also not comfortable with Cervelli behind the plate. He has to stop doing the hokey-pokey! Put you right foot out, pull your right foot in and sit on the plate. I truly believe the reason he was sent down was that some of the starters didn’t like his constant motion behind the plate.

  56. RadioKev December 1st, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Yeah Yankee Trader, I absolutely think that’s the case. Stewie was a pretty decent back up. Nothing special, but did his job.

  57. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:00 am

    I really like the idea of getting John Jaso from the M’s to pair with Romine.

    They have several catchers and Jaso should be expendable.

    I’d see what it takes. Jaso can hit, catches decently, knows the AL east, and is verstile.

    He’s only 28.

    I say we offer Adams or Nunez for him.

    Jerk Z wanted both of them in the past.

  58. RadioKev December 1st, 2012 at 8:01 am

    I romanticize Jose Molina’s Yankee stay. In my head, he was outrageously good. Right?

    Last man to hit a HR in old Yankee Stadium :D

  59. blake December 1st, 2012 at 8:03 am

    “There could be hope that the Braves, Yankees and DBacks could be involved in a 3-way deal.”

    Yea but I think if the Braves decide to deal Simmons then they’ll want Upton for themselves.

    The best 3 way partner to me is Cleveland because they are rebuilding and are easier to match up with….. They need everything and it doesn’t necessarily have to be big league ready

  60. blake December 1st, 2012 at 8:05 am

    RadioKev says:
    December 1, 2012 at 8:01 am
    I romanticize Jose Molina’s Yankee stay. In my head, he was outrageously good. Right?

    Clubhouse Confidential said by their numbers he’s saved like 140 runs of something over the last two years with pitch framing or something……now I don’t know how much I buy the accuracy of those stats ….but there is really no question that Jose is a great receiver ….wish they had him back

  61. Yankee Trader December 1st, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Newest Brave Upton excited about fresh start
    8:28 pm November 29, 2012, by David O’Brien

    B.J. Upton finalized a five-year, $75.25 million contract with the Braves makes him the highest-paid player in franchise history, but his dad Manny was most pleased that he signed with Atlanta, a short flight from the family’s home in Chesapeake, Va.

    “Put a little word in Frank’s ear so we can get the other one here,” Manny Upton said after a news conference Thursday at Turner Field, where center fielder B.J. donned a Braves jersey and posed for pictures with his new manager, Fredi Gonzalez, and general manager Frank Wren, who gave him the largest free-agent contract in franchise history.

    http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-b.....esh-start/

  62. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:06 am

    I told you all along that once Cashman had the Pitching secured he’d be in a position to bust a move.

    What he said in the News article really doesn’t surprise me.

    They have the chips. Just need the right opportunity.

    I hope it happens.

  63. blake December 1st, 2012 at 8:07 am

    “I really like the idea of getting John Jaso from the M’s to pair with Romine.”

    Me too….. How we gettin him ;) Zunino is a stud and is coming very fast so maybe they’d be open….. I don’t think he will be cheap though

  64. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:07 am

    Blake-

    As long as we wind up with JU and Santana I’m happy involving the Indians.

    ;)

  65. blake December 1st, 2012 at 8:09 am

    I don’t think the braves have enough without Summons…. The rest of what they’d have to offer is young pitching and the Dbacks don’t really need that

  66. blake December 1st, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Blake-

    As long as we wind up with JU and Santana I’m happy involving the Indians.

    Haha…..work your magic bud….. :)

  67. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Blake-

    I agree. I think they’d be open to it.

    The how ?

    I told you Nunez or Adams. If a little more is needed I throw in a quality reliever or a prospect.

    They don’t value Jaso as much as you think. They don’t use him that much from what I can tell.

    Sort of like a super U guy.

    They have the guy you mentioned, Montero, and Olivo (?).

    Heck. I’d give ‘em cervelli and Adams or nunez.

    This shouldn’t be a problem.

  68. RadioKev December 1st, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Jaso is coming off a 144 OPS+ season…

  69. Yankee Trader December 1st, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Here’s the article on pitch framing. Look who’s #2, over the past 5 seasons when the article was written in 2011:

    by Mike Fast

    I Was Framed 9/24/11
    Catchers play a central role in the game of baseball through their involvement with every pitch that their pitchers throw. One of their key tasks is receiving borderline pitches without discouraging the umpire from calling strikes.

    http://www.baseballprospectus......leid=15093

    FA Yorvit Torrealba[#3] plus Austin Romine?

  70. blake December 1st, 2012 at 8:13 am

    If Towers liked Asdrubal enough then I could see a situation where the yanks could make Cleveland happy enough to send him to Arizona …..3 way trade are complicated and hard to predict ….but if Texas says no on Andrus and the Braves won’t cave on Simmons then you never know…..Cabrera is available

  71. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Kev-

    Yes he is but lookl at his career norms.

    The M’s do not use him as much as they should.

    I want him.

    I think he can be ours for a reasonable price.

    Let’s do it. Perfect match with romine.

  72. blake December 1st, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Yanks get Upton then they can trade Granderson or Gardner for the best SS or 3B prospect they can find…..the braves need another outfielder and have a pretty decent SS prospect in Nick Ahmed who is now blocked by Simmons…..pipe dreams this morning …..but Cash is gonna get just as creative if he wants to do something

  73. blake December 1st, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Or the Yanks could go after Asdrubal themselves and figure out where to play he and Jeter later…..

  74. RadioKev December 1st, 2012 at 8:17 am

    MTU,

    When he was younger he put up a bunch of .800+ OPS seasons…

    Sure, if it could be done I’d make that trade. I’m a little skeptical they’re that dumb…but it is the M’s…

  75. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:17 am

    Blake-

    Jaso is no pipe dream. He can be had for a reasonable price.

    Adams or Nunez, Cervelli, etc.

    I bet the M’s go for it.

    They have plenty of needs and Jaso is not a part of their longterm plans from what i can tell.

  76. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Kev-

    Nothing dumb about it.

    He’s not their primary, everyday Catcher.

    He’s 28 which is getting up there a bit.

    I think he can be pryed away w/o as much trouble as you think.

    Jack Z wanted Adams and Nunez in the past.

    If they need a C thrown in to backfill give them Cervelli.

    Sweeten the pot with a guy like Joba.

    Offer a prospect.

    This shouldn’t be hard to come up with the right combo that works for both sides.

    He’s a younger version of AJ P.

    I want him.

    :)

  77. Yankee Trader December 1st, 2012 at 8:22 am

    MTU-

    First I think the Yankees should pick up another starter. Lefty Tom Gorzelanny was non-tendered by the Nats-he’s a prior starter now used as a swing man, primarily out of the pen.

    This would allow the Yankees to include one of their cost controlled pitchers if they get the chance to trade for a good young corner OF bat.

    Gorzelanny 72 innings, 2.88 ERA; WHIP 1.32; BAA .242[righties-.245, lefties-.237]

  78. blake December 1st, 2012 at 8:22 am

    “Jaso is no pipe dream. He can be had for a reasonable price.”

    I dunno about that…I guess depends on the definition of reasonable

  79. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:25 am

    YT-

    What ever allows the Yankees to be in a position to make a significant trade for an OF’er or 3B I’m for.

    I prefer Haren on a yr. pillow but if Gorz works that’s fine too.

    Make it happen cashman.

    I’ve been feeling more optimistic ever since we set our Pitching.

    I’m feeling it.

    I want Jaso. He’d be great for us.

    :)

  80. Doreen December 1st, 2012 at 8:28 am

    Molina was a great back up. When he had to play almost every day, he showed wear. I remember he hit a lot of doubles – his hitting was somewhat of a bonus. He was fantastic behind the plate.

  81. Yankee Trader December 1st, 2012 at 8:28 am

    Or the Yanks could go after Asdrubal themselves and figure out where to play he and Jeter later…..
    ————————–
    Blake-

    Moving Jeter from SS? Might not that be considered blasphemy! :)

  82. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:28 am

    Blake-

    Jaso is not a superstar.

    he’s not even an every day palyer on the M’s.

    the M’s have more pressing needs.

    I bet they’d be interested in Adamas or nunez.

    Package in a guy like Cervelli.

    We can afford to move a reliever.

    Throw in a high qaulity prospect.

    I bet jack Z bites. Why wouldn’t he ? that’s a lot of value for a guy who is not even an every day guy.

  83. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Blake-

    You telling me Jack Z. wouldn’t do Adams, Cervelli, Joba, and Flores for Jaso ?

    Bet he would. In a heartbeat. I could come up with other appealing ones quite easily.

    Jaso is a perfect fit for us. Get him.

    ;)

  84. blake December 1st, 2012 at 8:32 am

    “Moving Jeter from SS? Might not that be considered blasphemy! ”

    Yea….just brainstorming….Asdrubal will be a FA in 2 years so that’s why I wanted to use him to get Upton ;)

  85. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Get John Jaso from the M’s.

    Period. Forget all the others.

  86. Yankee Trader December 1st, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Doreen-

    Good morning. The Yankee pitchers really liked it when Jose Molina was behind the plate. I believe the Rays quickly renewed his contract.

    It’s too bad the Yankees didn’t sign FA David Ross to that 2 year 6.2M contract, if they felt all along that Martin was going to get more than what they were willing to spend. Ross sharing catching duties with Romine for the next 2 years and then MAYBE-Sanchez? Braves pitchers will miss David Ross, good defensive and capable offensive catcher.

  87. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Keppinger
    Soria
    Haren
    Jaso
    Upton

    Perfect.

    :)

  88. blake December 1st, 2012 at 8:35 am

    MTu,
    Nah Jaso isn’t a super star but he was Seattles best hitter last year….I don’t think you can get him for b listers

  89. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:36 am

    Greetings Doreen.

    Great to see you.

    Hope all is well in your World.

    Thanks for you efforts in getting us closure on GB.

  90. blake December 1st, 2012 at 8:36 am

    “You telling me Jack Z. wouldn’t do Adams, Cervelli, Joba, and Flores for Jaso ?”

    I have no idea to be honest….

  91. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Blake-

    Adams and Nunez plus the others are not B listers.

    You’re over rating how the M’s see Jaso IMO.

    He is not a big part of their future.

    He is worth prying away. he’d be perfect for us.

    We can do it. We should.

    ;)

  92. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Blake-

    I bet he says, “where do I sign ?”

    Actually that’s probably too much.

    ;)

  93. blake December 1st, 2012 at 8:39 am

    MTU is focused this morning

  94. Yankee Trader December 1st, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Actually Blake, I wasn’t kidding about moving Jeter off of SS. Recovering from the broken ankle, still in a walking boot-who knows if his range at SS will be “futher” limited.

    However I’ll save that discussion for another time and hope he comes back better than ever, mad as %#@&, after the NY Post printed those unflattering pictures of him yesterday! :)

  95. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Blake-

    you bet. I’ve identified the proper targets

    :)

  96. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:41 am

    I think they’re all doable.

    And all would help the team greatly IMO.

    :)

  97. RadioKev December 1st, 2012 at 8:43 am

    blake December 1st, 2012 at 8:39 am
    MTU is focused this morning

    :D

  98. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:44 am

    I just hope Cash is as focused.

    :)

  99. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:45 am

    I’m on it like a fatboy on pie.

    ;)

  100. Doreen December 1st, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Good morning.

    You’re welcome MTU.

    I just glanced at that framing chart (my brain is not at full enough function to grasp all the details of the article accompanying). Where Russell Martin slots is indeed quite interesting.

    My question is this: What comes first – pitchers who can hit their target or catchers who set a good target?

    I would think you need both. How much of a difference maker is it to have a catcher who frames well if he’s got a staff full of pitchers who can’t hit their spots?

  101. RadioKev December 1st, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Yankee Trader December 1st, 2012 at 8:39 am
    Actually Blake, I wasn’t kidding about moving Jeter off of SS. Recovering from the broken ankle, still in a walking boot-who knows if his range at SS will be “futher” limited.
    ————-

    I’m going to pretend like you didn’t say that. I can’t bear the thought.

  102. Doreen December 1st, 2012 at 8:48 am

    It’s like Madden’s shifts. You can shift all you want, but if your pitchers are not capable of pitching with the kind of precision that is necessary to get the ball hit where you’re positioned, it’s not going to work as well as it does for the Rays.

  103. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Doreen-

    IMO the framing thing is overrated.

    As you say. A Pitcher with command shouldn’t have to rely on that as much.

    The Ump has something to do with it too.

    Some have strike zones the size of Montana.

    :)

  104. Yankee Trader December 1st, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Wish I could stay and try and keep up with all these trade proposals!

    I hope by the close of the Winter meetings, the Yankees have a right fielder at the very least.

    I suspect we’ll soon see names like Greinke ad Hamilton off the board soon.

    Does Soriano even have anyone now interested in that 4 year contract, Boras believes he can get him? The Tigers are out, per rumors.

    Have a great day everyone. Thanks Doreen for updating us on GB7. I tried for days researching what had happened to him.

    Blake-I’m expecting daily up-to-the minute updates from the meetings in Nashville. I went to them years ago in Atlanta.

  105. RadioKev December 1st, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Doreen December 1st, 2012 at 8:28 am
    Molina was a great back up. When he had to play almost every day, he showed wear. I remember he hit a lot of doubles – his hitting was somewhat of a bonus. He was fantastic behind the plate.
    ————-

    And a double for Jose Molina is like a triple or inside the park HR for anyone else ;)

  106. pkyankfan69 December 1st, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Ichiro’s patience snaps with Yankees: report
    http://www.reuters.com/article.....5Q20121201

    Weren’t the reports that he would accept a 1 year – $7M(ish) deal from the Yanks? Should have just signed him to that one year deal when they had the chance.

  107. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Ichiro is not important. He’s just the fallback plan.

    Bigger fish to fry.

    Or should I say game to hunt ?

    ;)

  108. jacksquat December 1st, 2012 at 8:52 am

    MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:11 am
    Blake-

    I agree. I think they’d be open to it.

    The how ?

    I told you Nunez or Adams. If a little more is needed I throw in a quality reliever or a prospect.

    They don’t value Jaso as much as you think. They don’t use him that much from what I can tell.

    Sort of like a super U guy.

    They have the guy you mentioned, Montero, and Olivo (?).

    Heck. I’d give ‘em cervelli and Adams or nunez.

    This shouldn’t be a problem.

    Olivo is gone, they do not have “several” catchers.

    They are talking about Montero mostly DH’ing or perhaps some 1B. They seem to have soured on him catching.

    Zunino is a minor leaguer, looks good, but I doubt they just throw him into the primary catcher spot for 2013.

    This leaves them with one major league catcher: Jaso.

    You should rethink their position and yours.

  109. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:52 am

    You all should aim your sights higher IMO.

  110. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Squat-

    that’s why I include Cervelli in the deal.

    I think we can get Jaso easily.

    They have more needs than Jaso.

  111. jacksquat December 1st, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Doreen December 1st, 2012 at 8:48 am
    It’s like Madden’s shifts. You can shift all you want, but if your pitchers are not capable of pitching with the kind of precision that is necessary to get the ball hit where you’re positioned, it’s not going to work as well as it does for the Rays.

    —-

    You’ve watched Teixeira hit, right? Do you really think precision is needed to get him to pull the ball?

  112. Doreen December 1st, 2012 at 8:56 am

    jacksquat -

    Not talking about one player alone. If it was that easy, EVERY team would shift against extreme pull hitters and they don’t, or they don’t do it with the frequency of the Rays.

  113. jacksquat December 1st, 2012 at 8:57 am

    If they can get Jaso easily, I’m all for it, but I don’t think it would be easy.

  114. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Doreen-

    Pruneface thinks he’s Einstein. He’s more like Rube Goldberg.

    ;)

  115. pkyankfan69 December 1st, 2012 at 8:59 am

    MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Ichiro is not important. He’s just the fallback plan.
    ———————————————
    Well there had better be something in the works for a RFer. Ichiro hit .322 as a Yankee and played great defense last year, well worth a 1 year – $7M as part of a bridge to Heathcotte/Austin/Williams. Yankee fans will miss Ichiro big time if we end up with Melky Mesa in RF.

  116. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Squat-

    I think they can, and easier than you think.

    We have the chips to spare that Z needs.

    Cashman has done buisness in the past.

    I hope he inquires.

  117. jacksquat December 1st, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Lots of hitters have patterns, a lot of hitters are going to pull the ball if they hit it on the ground, so it’s easy to shift the infield against them. Teixeira isn’t the only example, just the most glaring.

  118. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 9:00 am

    69-

    there is, or will be. And more than 1 thing.

    ;)

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 1st, 2012 at 9:00 am

    I loved Jose Molina. But per usual, there were a lot of posters who wanted him gone because he wasn’t a prolific hitter. I’m always going to be a pitching/defense oriented anyway. Of course you need hitting, but the value of a catcher to me is in what he does to field his position. The hitting is a bonus. But speaking of hitting, Jose hit the last one out of the old Yankee Stadium, and I was sitting there in the bleachers, watching it fly. Wish we still had Jose, but that wouldn’t wash with this forum, even if he were out there for the taking.

    (Snowing in little Rhody, home of the holiday tree. And if you don’t understand the tree reference, all the better. Every time I think my state can’t do anything to embarrass itself more…)

    Now if you want to get a catcher whose hitting is assured, how about Carlos Ruiz?

    Think I’ll do a little searching to see the league average for catchers. If I had the energy and desire, I think an interesting stat would be to see a hitting regression for catchers, as opposed to other position players. I’d be willing to bet that the averages for catchers dip more quickly and precipitously over the course of a career than that for other positions.

    Good morning everyone!

    :)

  120. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 9:01 am

    New thread —–>

  121. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 9:02 am

    I want better than Ichiro for a starting outfielder. I would gladly have him as a 4th outfielder, but I don’t think two months of play outweighs the last two years when forecasting the future.

  122. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 9:02 am

    MTU

    If Jaso was as valuable as you think why did Tampa get rid of him?

    Offense is a weakness of theirs and by getting rid of Jaso and using Molina they weakened that.

    Molina has always been a real good defensive catcher but weak offensively and not able to handle the rigors of catching every day.

    Cervelli got his chance when Posada got hurt in 08 and Molina also missed time.

  123. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 9:04 am

    MY-

    He is a perfect fit for us. Not necessarily for the M’s.

    That’s exactly my point. Thanks for making it for me.

    :)

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