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What goes up…

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 30, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This is a familiar moment….

There are many things I didn’t expect when I took this job, and the general manager’s annual holiday descent is one of them. But, here I am, on my way out the door to once again watch Brian Cashman rappel down a building.

This morning’s practice session — the main event is this weekend — took an interesting twist last night. No longer is Cashman going to going through a few practice runs and then talk about the predictable signings of Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera. Now Cashman is going to be asked a lot of questions the guy he didn’t sign.

Russell Martin is heading to Pittsburgh for an unlikely reunion with A.J. Burnett.

The Yankees are now without an everyday catcher and without a clear path to find a replacement.

It’s kind of a what goes up, must come down situation. Finding a catcher is inevitable for the Yankees. One way or another, they’re going to pick someone to put behind the plate on Opening Day, and that decision will be one of Cashman’s pivotal moves of the winter.

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  1. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 6:52 am

    Not overly concerned.

    It’s not like we lost Johnny Bench back there.

    ;)

  2. RadioKev November 30th, 2012 at 6:55 am

    I think this is likely to be the biggest downgrade of the off season.

  3. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 6:57 am

    Chad said it isn’t absurd to think the Yankees could be in a pennant race. Now, there is optimism.

    The team is worse today without Martin. That is the fact. Martin will seem like Bench come mid-season. No cause for optimism that they won’t spend.

    They are saving there way to mediocrity. That’s my take.

  4. CountryClub November 30th, 2012 at 6:57 am

    Martin was a nice player. But he’s certainly nothing special. It’s not like NY is losing Posada in his prime. They’ll be fine.

  5. sevrox November 30th, 2012 at 6:57 am

    6 years in the minors for Austin Romine: .278/.333/.414
    6 years in the minors for Posada (and 2 years older than Romine when brought up): .258/.368/.436

    Why not?

    Martin was league average when throwing out baserunners and hit below .200 for most of the season. Screw ‘em. Start tossing the young catchers against the wall and see who sticks.

  6. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 6:58 am

    Kev,

    RF will also be a significant downgrade.

  7. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 7:01 am

    Mac-

    What’s wrong with Upton ?

    :)

  8. RadioKev November 30th, 2012 at 7:05 am

    austinmac says:
    November 30, 2012 at 6:58 am
    Kev,

    RF will also be a significant downgrade.
    ——

    Eh, I feel more confident in our internal replacements for Swish, than I do for Martin.

  9. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 7:06 am

    Other than having some power what was so great about Martin ?

  10. TheStraw November 30th, 2012 at 7:08 am

    If you are feeling sentimental, think of all the early season games where Russ came up with runners on base and rolled over into a DP. Not to mention his less than stellar job throwing out runners. Frankly, I’d rather have Cervelli at the plate. He tries to make something happen instead of swinging from his shoes all the time. Great non-move by Cash.

  11. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 7:10 am

    Upton will look good in a Ranger uniform. He is too expensive, and he has a contract beyond this year.

    Everyone needs to understand a contract beyond this year is a non- starter for the Yankees.

    But, now I see Romine is Posada. And Stewart must be Munson.

  12. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 7:13 am

    I see no internal replacements for Swisher. They have career minor leaguers and guys in A or AA. They will add Ichiro.

    They like big, hairy guys. Well, they have lost 20% of their team home run total. The one thing they did well offensively has been significantly diminished.

  13. CountryClub November 30th, 2012 at 7:13 am

    Both uptons are overrated.

    The wright contract was by far the most important thing that happened yesterday. If anyone thought that Cano was going to take a 6 yr deal, they must realize that’s out the window now. He’s going to get 8-10 yrs from someone and I hope it’s not from NY. The yanks already received what will most likely be his best years. Let someone else pay for the decline.

  14. jacksquat November 30th, 2012 at 7:14 am

    austinmac, man, go get some antidepressants.

  15. PacoDooley November 30th, 2012 at 7:14 am

    I posted this in the wee hours of the morning and it seems more appropriate here – I agree with the general sentiment that they are fine without Martin – two observations:

    1) The Yankees will be better off using that $8.5MM in 2014 to fit Cano under their spending cap. Martin is too marginal to committ that much of a limited payroll to.

    2) Martin is better than the other options, but he is overrated and now overpaid. He will outperform other options, but not by enough to warrant the salary commitment.

    You can see why the Yankees have been stockpiling catchers – they are clearly a very limited quantity given how much Martin landed

    Let’s hope Romine’s back can hold up and he can get some AAA ABs and fill some time on the ML roster.

  16. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 7:16 am

    No one says Martin is great. What I say is he is much better than his replacement. Downgrades are not good. Again, the team is worse. The Yankees thought so little of Cervelli he didn’t even get to play in September.

  17. Cashmoney November 30th, 2012 at 7:16 am

    I think Frodo is a good possibility. offensively, I see a guy with OBP potentials with a small strike zone. defensively, he he has the benefit of catching without being in the crouch. he is tough mentally and is also rather intelligent. all in all, a viable option to consider.

  18. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 7:17 am

    Mac-

    “they have lost 20% of their team home run total. The one thing they did well offensively has been significantly diminished.”

    True.

    Couple of points though :

    1) Maybe they ought to try to balance out the O more and not be so reliant on the HR. Have a slightly different style of play.

    2) Who says they won’t replace some of the lost production ? The WM are coming. They can trade.

  19. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 7:19 am

    Paco,

    They don’t have a stockpile of catchers. Romine’s is not a top 20 in the Yankees’ minor leagues. Sanchez is in class A.

    I expect you are right they are saving their money for Cano. Signing him will result in 60-70% of the budget on four players, two of whom are marginally productive.

    That seems like a problem to me.

  20. Mike Ri November 30th, 2012 at 7:21 am

    Rusell Martin SUCKS !! enough already ! … . The Yankees had the worse hitting catcher in baseball last season . .Not to mention his below average defense…. HE didn’t even catch our ACE for god sakes !!!!!!

    Oh My !…..How will the Yanks move on without there Mighty .200 hitter ???????

    Im not shedding a tear . . GOOD BYE !!!!!!!!!

  21. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 7:22 am

    We shall see if they add anyone at the meetings. I do not foresee it. Good players want or have contracts over one year. The Yankees don’t have the upper level players to get a young, controlled good bat.

  22. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 7:23 am

    Cash,

    I think Bilbo is the hot name in the hobbit-catching world this year.

  23. blake November 30th, 2012 at 7:25 am

    Martin was a nice stop gap player ….problem was (and often is with stop gaps) is they end up stop gapping to nothing

  24. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 7:26 am

    Mac-

    You may be right.

    OTOH you might be wrong.

    Not saying Cashman will bag a good player thru trade but the solidification of the Pitching staff now makes that more possible.

    I think you are underrating the the pieces the Yankees may have to offer in trade, and the potential openmindedness that Cashman may have to listen on them.

    If the player in question is young, athletic, and in a position of need I think the Yankees will consider getting them.

    Maybe I’m wrong. We’ll see.

    I do agree that your outcome is the more likely one though.

    ;)

  25. blake November 30th, 2012 at 7:28 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Liked #Twins’ return of Meyer for 3 years of Span, BUT some execs think it wasn’t enough. #Mets got Zack Wheeler for 2 months of Beltran.

    Beltran is better than span but the point stands

  26. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Good morning

    They have inhouse very experienced catchers No worries. Just use 55 yo Tony Pena.

    So far the Yankees have lost more than 20% of their homeruns.
    Chavez 16
    Jones 14
    Ibanez 19
    Swisher 24
    Martin 21

    I wonder how Pettitte and especially Kuroda now feel about their decision to come back when your catcher currently is an unknown AAA player or Cervelli?

  27. blake November 30th, 2012 at 7:29 am

    They signed Martin to stop gap to Montero or Romine….,they traded Montero and Romine has been hurt……see what Romine has

  28. Noreaster November 30th, 2012 at 7:30 am

    Cash must have really not liked Martin to let him go for $17 Million. Looking back at his signings, he has been setting up a competition for a while. It will be interesting to see who he has behind the plate on opening day. What’s out there on the trade market?

  29. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 7:30 am

    Most deals do not actually get done at the meetings but the goundwork is done, and the framework is laid out.

    I’d expect anything that might happen to be announced in the week or two following the WM.

    I’m hoping to be surprised though not holding my breath.

  30. Cashmoney November 30th, 2012 at 7:30 am

    Chad is getting Newtonian on us….by the way, the average velocity of hobbit is about 35 mph. I thought about the ole baggins, I think he is past his prime and a bit too addicted to his weed pipe for my taste.

  31. PacoDooley November 30th, 2012 at 7:31 am

    austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 7:19 am
    Paco,

    They don’t have a stockpile of catchers. Romine’s is not a top 20 in the Yankees’ minor leagues. Sanchez is in class A.

    —————————————————-

    Sorry if I was unclear – I am not saying that they have a stockpile at the moment – I was commenting on their clear strategy to try to go after as much catching talent as they can – i.e., to stockpile talent. Before Montero was traded and Romine’s stock declined, they had four ‘quality’ catching prospects (look at BA’s 2010 Yankees top 10 prospects: 1. Montero, 2. Romine, 7. Sanchez, 8. Murphy). That is part of a strategy where they see a limiting resource that they can exploit at the C position. They traded one and the other three aren’t ready etc…

  32. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 7:33 am

    YT-

    Maybe it’s time the Yankees changed the composition of their O ?

    I sure think so. Do not like the all-or-none approach the BHM way represents.

    I want to see a more balanced LU so losing some of that HR production does not bother me as long as it replaced in different ways.

    I’m hoping that’s exactly what happens.

    ;)

  33. Cashmoney November 30th, 2012 at 7:34 am

    Mac, my first choice is always bugsy, but my source tells me he is simply not available.

  34. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    I want to see more Keppinger types.

    ;)

  35. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    The FA catching market is slim as the Yankees are not going to pay for Pierzynski or Napoli.

    The Pirates had Rod Barajas, now a FA, who cannot throw out baserunners, plus cannot hit.

    There might be some non-tenders after tonight.

    Wish David Ross was still out there. Good solid catcher who could have been paired with Romine.

  36. RadioKev November 30th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Without Martin, I fear we’re going to see an overall downturn with our pitching staff and runs scored, and probably a down turn at bat. Martin’s supposedly a very good pitch framer and he’s very agile behind the plate. Our pitching staff has also been very strong with Martin behind the plate, and I don’t think it’s a total coincidence.

    If our offense is going to be weaker next season, how can we be OK with allowing more runs?

  37. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Cash,

    I see Bugsy more as a pitcher. His off speed stuff is great. I still want the big hairy guy he pitches too.

  38. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    YT-

    How bout we get RJ to platoon with Ichiro ?

    Another grinder who hits for avg., has speed, and is very versatile.

    ;)

  39. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    Pitches to

  40. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    MTU,

    Your Reed Johnson love is approaching Bret and Dejesus. :) That said, I like him better than Hairston who I don’t see having another career year next year.

    I can accept a decline in the offense at catcher if they will add a quality bat to replace Swisher. They can’t simply fill in with old guys.

  41. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    Kev-

    I do not agree with you.

    I do not think the staff will be adversly affected by Martin’s disappearance.

    I never thought he was all that sharp at calling games myself, and I don’t care what the Sabr types say I think pitch framing is overrated.

    Martin was only avg. at throwing out runners. I’d say that was plenty important.

    Other than hitting for power I think Martin wasn’t all that.

  42. blake November 30th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    Romine is a really good receiver from what I’ve seen from him…. Very soft hands back there….he’s inexperienced but I think defensively he would be ok….

    The questions are obviously health and if he will hit…..really wish they would have gone after Ross a but harder cause he’s a good enough back up that you could plan to go with Romine

  43. BIG AL November 30th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    Good morning all.

    Glad to see Martin is off the board. Other than the HR’s, his hitting was so poor, especially with RISP. I for one will not miss him, but, he was a favorite of my Mrs.

    If we only had a decent C that could hit for both average, and had some pop in his bat, oh yea, we did have, but gave him away for damaged goods.

    Call Jack Z and see what it would take to get Montero back. The M’s don’t need him as a C, or a 1B, and his BA is much lower as a DH, so they might consider a trade, it don’t hurt to ask. Cashman most likely won’t go there, for fear of admitting he made a big mistake.

  44. blake November 30th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    “If our offense is going to be weaker next season, how can we be OK with allowing more runs?”

    I don’t think it’s a given at all that they will…..the pitchers themselves still have by far the most to do with that

  45. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 7:44 am

    Mac-

    Me too. much rather him than Hairston.

    let’s not prejudge. let’s see what they come up with.

    Save some vitriol for when they don’t do what you hope for.

    ;)

  46. BIG AL November 30th, 2012 at 7:45 am

    Sign AJ P to a 2 year deal, and be done with all this, We need a C talk.

  47. sunny615 November 30th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    Holy overpay (RE: Martin)

  48. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 7:48 am

    I’d be in good spirits today if I’m Romine. Go strengthen your back. We need you. I would rather go with him and hope for improvement than an aging, declining vet. That would, at least, be an effort to build for the future.

    Martin was a bit of a stop gap, but the team seemingly is going largely stop gap with one year contracts.

  49. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 7:49 am

    Al-

    I wouldn’t mind getting AJ P. one bit but I think it’s unlikely.

  50. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 7:49 am

    Reed Johnson and Ichiro in RF. Actually I believe the Braves are working on keeping Johnson.

    The Braves still need a leadoff man as BJ Upton will be hitting in the middle of the order. Would probably like Gardner and have young pitching to spare. Could the Braves, Yankees and DBacks pair[?trio] up in some way to net the Yankees Justin Upton, the Braves Brett Gardner, and the DBacks pitching and a SS?

  51. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    Al,

    The consensus of the reporters is the Yankees are not going to be involved with Pierzynski.

  52. BIG AL November 30th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Just think of what a C like Munson would be getting paid today, or a Bench. If a team is willing to pay a .200 hitting C what the Pirates have offered Martin, Munson and Bench would be getting at least $24M today, :)

  53. blake November 30th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    they could offer AJ a big one year deal and that might be the best thing to do really if he would do it…..everyone says hes a jerk but none of his teammates ever say that….he’s an old school catcher who gets under the other teams skin but from everything I’ve heard and read he’s actually a really good teammate if he’s on your team…..that short porch would fit him nicely and he could mentor Romine.

    An AJ/Romine tandem could be nice….but AJ would have to be willing to do 1 year because it’s pretty clear the Yanks aren’t putting money on the 2014 books unless it’s for a controlled player that can be a long term solution.

  54. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Greinke is about to hit the Motherlode.

  55. blake November 30th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    I’d offer AJ 12 or 13 million for 1 year if it took that…..he might not do that though

  56. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    The Mariners are moving in the fences at Safeco. I believe there’s little chance of getting Montero back.

    From the left field corner to a point about midway between the bullpens, the wall will be moved in four-feet. The biggest change will be from the left field power alley area to straightaway center, where the wall will be as much as 17-feet closer to home plate. From straightaway center to right center, the wall will be moved in-four feet.

    http://mlb.com/sea/ballpark/wa.....46328-1076

  57. blake November 30th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    “Greinke is about to hit the Motherlode.”

    yup…..

  58. MaineYankee November 30th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    MTU

    MTU November 30th, 2012 at 7:35 am
    I want to see more Keppinger types.

    ———————————————————

    So you like players with broken legs. :D:

  59. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    I want Jaso from the M’s.

    :)

  60. BIG AL November 30th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    mac -

    I believe you’re right, but, I think he’s the best of what’s left out there.

    I’m not a big fan of Romine, I don’t see in him what many on this board do. I feel he is weak on both defense and offense. I’d rather have Stewart back there than Romine, afterall CC preferred Stewart over Martin as his C, that must account for something.

  61. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 7:57 am

    Maine-

    Yeah. I like Jeter and Pettitte.

    Why not Keppinger ?

    He’ll be ready by ST.

    Get him.

    :)

  62. RadioKev November 30th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    blake November 30th, 2012 at 7:43 am
    “If our offense is going to be weaker next season, how can we be OK with allowing more runs?”

    I don’t think it’s a given at all that they will…..the pitchers themselves still have by far the most to do with that
    ————-

    Blake, I don’t really think it’s a given either, but I think that on paper it’s more likely to happen than not.

    And I agree, most of it is on the pitchers. Still, a catcher’s ability is supposed to have an effect on the staff around the edges. The staff has been pretty good under Martin and I dislike the idea of changing that over a few million dollars. I guess we’ll have to see.

  63. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Why are the Dodgers rumored to want Pierzynski. They already have an AJ.
    AJ Ellis.

    The Dodgers could potentially make a play for free agent catcher A.J. Pierzynski, reports Jon Heyman of CBS Sports. L.A. general manager Ned Colletti almost signed Pierzynski as a free agent two years ago before the catcher re-signed with the White Sox, though the chances of Pierzynski signing with the Dodgers now is seen as “a remote possibility, at best” by some Dodgers people.

  64. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    What would it take to get Corey Hart from the Brew Crew ?

  65. jacksquat November 30th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 7:55 am
    The Mariners are moving in the fences at Safeco. I believe there’s little chance of getting Montero back.

    From the left field corner to a point about midway between the bullpens, the wall will be moved in four-feet. The biggest change will be from the left field power alley area to straightaway center, where the wall will be as much as 17-feet closer to home plate. From straightaway center to right center, the wall will be moved in-four feet.

    http://mlb.com/sea/ballpark/wa…..46328-1076

    I don’t think that will result in more than a slight increase in homeruns. Players were hitting for much lower batting averages in that park. That is something to do with the dynamics of the park other than the distance to the fences; weather, foul territory, something.

  66. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    YT-

    The Dodgers are doing their best old-style Yankee imitation.

    They’ll buy anybody that isn’t nailed down.

    :)

  67. RadioKev November 30th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    MTU November 30th, 2012 at 7:54 am
    Greinke is about to hit the Motherlode.
    ———-

    Has a single season ever done more for a player? Greinke’s ERA+ has been worse in the years following his Cy Young than the years leading up to it.

    I do not miss that type of spending.

  68. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    MTU-

    Did you see this current photo of Jeter? He’s on the Michael Pineda diet.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....eKPH0sR53H

  69. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Is there anybody the Dodgers don’t want ?

    Maybe Angel Berroa, or Julio Franco ?

    :)

  70. Tar November 30th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    The Yankees are not going to hand their everyday starting catcher job to a rookie. That is not happening. Romaine has had back issues and Cervelli concussions. At this time both are BUC.

    Barring a move Stewart will be your everyday catcher and if you didn’t like Martin, wait till they trot out Stewie everyday.

    Now I am almost sure Cashman has something else in mind. But yesterday, the Yankees did not improve by Martin signing ( 2yr deal) with the Pirates.

  71. CountryClub November 30th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Nobody would be happier about the Dodgers giving Greinke a ridiculous contract than Kershaw.

  72. Cashmoney November 30th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    one thing that always stood out to me about AJ is his excellent contactibility. I think he sacrificed some of that to generate more power last year. defensively I think he is solid. AJ is a tough out in a big spot. As for his personality, well, I really don’t know and don’t care. The white sox have won championship with him and NY had it’s share of characters. now, realistically, i don’t think Yanks will acquire him but I take AJ without much of reservation on a short term deal.

  73. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    YT-

    That’s only part of the look.

    Where’s the drink in his hand ?

    :)

  74. Cashmoney November 30th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Survey highlights:
    Who is the most hated player?
    1. A.J. Pierzynski (White Sox), 34%
    2. Alex Rodriguez (Yankees), 10%
    3. Nick Swisher (Yankees), 9%

  75. jacksquat November 30th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 8:02 am
    MTU-

    Did you see this current photo of Jeter? He’s on the Michael Pineda diet.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports…..eKPH0sR53H

    Great, now we have a fat SS!

    (j/k)

  76. RadioKev November 30th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Cashmoney,

    Pierzynski has gotta get old at some point. He’ll be 36 next season. That, combined with his supposed personality issues, makes me want to pass on him.

  77. Cashmoney November 30th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    don’t mean much to me…

  78. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Keep in mind that these are the 189-Yankees and not the Dodger-Yankees.

    Not the made-of-money-printing-press Yankees but the green-eyeshade-CPA-eye-on-the-bottom-line-corparte-ledger Yankees.

    Choose your passion.

    ;)

  79. Cashmoney November 30th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    kev, i take him on short term like 1 or 2 years. mmm…something in the 9-11 mil range with a bit leeway i guess. I don’t NYY is going after him, just saying.

  80. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Cash-

    That survey was done among peers, I believe.

    Wonder where Swisher will sign?

  81. CountryClub November 30th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Per Hoch: Cashman just said that RF is more of a priority and the starting catcher might already be on the team

  82. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Like the Man said, “I been rich and I been poor and rich is better.”

    ;)

  83. blake November 30th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Greinke is a good pitcher who had one great season…..he could help a lot of rotations but the numbers you hear floating around about him are absolutely insane……and yes if the Dodgers give Greinke Cole Hamels money or more then all they are doing is setting themselves up for making Kershaw the first 200 million dollar pitcher.

  84. AAA November 30th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Did you see this current photo of Jeter? He’s on the Michael Pineda diet

    ===================================

    Be nice! Camera adds 10 pounds. We can only assume 2-3 cameras were involved here.

  85. BIG AL November 30th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Jeter may not be able to work out because of non weight bearing on his legs, but, he could sure learn to push away from the table. Is Jeter one of those guys, when he’s done playing will go to 250 pounds, and look like he just ate the whole cow?

    I think Cervelli may be more of a choice than Romine, because of his past experience, as well as his numbers.

    Romine: BA .158, OBP .200, SLG .158, OPS .358, OPS+ -2

    Cervelli: BA .271, OBP .339, SLG .353, OPS .692, OPS+ 84

  86. blake November 30th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    The AJ personality issues are pretty much all from other teams to my knowledge……I think he sees the catcher position in an old school way and tries to get under other teams skin……

  87. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    Blake-

    The Dodgers are causing a warp in the fabric of space due to their apparently overstuffed, bulging pockets.

    It’s dangerous.

    :)

  88. RadioKev November 30th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    I get that Greinke is a FIP pitcher, but he’s consistently played under those peripherals. It’s totally crazy.

  89. Cashmoney November 30th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    YF, I think he will sign after Hamilton, as to where, dunno. lot of teams could use Swisher’s productions.

  90. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    I bet Cashman pulls a habbit out his rat.

    :)

  91. BIG AL November 30th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Michael K doing play by play next spring; Jeter hits a line drive into the RF corner, and the ball gets past the RF, as Jeter is almost half way to 1B, it’s going to be a close play at first, lol.

  92. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    edit: out of

  93. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    The good news is that maybe Smellig can go after the Dodgers now.

    :)

  94. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Current list of Free Agent catchers:

    Updated 11-29-12

    Catchers
    Rod Barajas (37)
    Henry Blanco (41)
    Mike Napoli (31)
    Miguel Olivo (34)
    Ronny Paulino (32)
    A.J. Pierzynski (36)
    Brian Schneider (36)
    Kelly Shoppach (33)
    Chris Snyder (32)
    Yorvit Torrealba (34)
    Matt Treanor (37)

    2012 mlb stats for all catchers:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/b...../minpa/100

    What catchers will be non-tendered tonight?

  95. AAA November 30th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    The AJ personality issues are pretty much all from other teams to my knowledge……I think he sees the catcher position in an old school way and tries to get under other teams skin……

    ==================================

    I think it’s a combination of this and him just being a dink in general. I doubt either he or Napoli are even a consideration at this point. If they didn’t have 2 and $17M for Martin, they’re not gonna have it for these guys either.

  96. Cashmoney November 30th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    kev, without looking, i will presume Pettite consistently outperforms his FIP and his peripheral. I just think certain guys knows how to get out of jams.

  97. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    YT-

    Why don’t you see if you can coax Pudge or Bengie out of retirement ?

    :)

  98. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    AL-

    Why do you think Cervelli was demoted to AAA the entire season except for a token call-up and one token at bat?

    I wonder if the starters didn’t like the way he framed pitches. I remember him constantly changing positions when behind the plate.

  99. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Cashman says the catcher is likely in house. Competition in the spring, I guess.

  100. blake November 30th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Cervelli can’t catch….that’s his problem…offensively he’s fine.

  101. AAA November 30th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    kev, without looking, i will presume Pettite consistently outperforms his FIP and his peripheral. I just think certain guys knows how to get out of jams

    ====================================

    I’d have thought the same, but career ERA = 3.86 and career FIP = 3.74. That said, for a guy who’s put as many men on base as he has over his career, he’s come out of it pretty well.

  102. CountryClub November 30th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    I don’t think Jeter looks big in that picture at all. I guess I’m in the minority. Either way, I’m not worried about it.

  103. blake November 30th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    they wouldn’t have sent Cervelli down and traded for Stewart unless they really didn’t like his defense and if I had to guess the pitchers didn’t like throwing to him.

  104. BIG AL November 30th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    YT -

    Cervelli had a very good 2010 season, I don’t know what happened to him after that, except the injuries. He didn’t take being sent down well, and I believe he allowed that to affect his game, rather than showing the team he deserved being in NY, JMHO.

  105. Cashmoney November 30th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    interesting AAA, something learned.

  106. AAA November 30th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Cervelli can’t catch….that’s his problem…offensively he’s fine.

    ===============================

    Offensively he’s fine?

  107. BIG AL November 30th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    blake -

    Romine can’t do either!

  108. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Keep in mind that these are the 189-Yankees and not the Dodger-Yankees.
    ————————————–
    MTU-

    I’m beginning to think these are the 89-Yankees[minus the 1] !

    :)

  109. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Cervelli can be like a mexican jumping bean back there.

    And he does have an eccentric crouch.

    But that’s Cervelli.

    :)

  110. AAA November 30th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    I wonder if the starters didn’t like the way he framed pitches. I remember him constantly changing positions when behind the plate

    ===============================

    He was always a little jumpy behind the plate. Suppose that’s something that could change with maturity.

  111. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    YT,

    Thanks for the catcher info. I note Suzuki, recommended last night, has a lower WAR than Stewart at $6.5 million.

  112. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    YT-

    Decimal points can be dangerous.

    ;)

  113. BIG AL November 30th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    The Yankees are learning many other teams are willing to out spend them to improve their team, so, now the Yanks can’t even buy players they need, even if they reversed course on their payroll plans.

  114. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    But Al Bud is only trying to be fair.

    ;)

  115. jacksquat November 30th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Jete is just at his winter weight, like a bear in hibernation. :)

  116. luis November 30th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Good morning everyone,

    Great news about Martin… He wasn’t worth the money or the years… I hope he does well, but I am glad he is out of the picture…

  117. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 30th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Tar – thank you for your sweet words and for appreciating the sentiment in my post about “the way we were”. I am going to work to get things back to that, and the biggest help will be the return of some of our missing friends. I’d also give the world to have Bodhisattva come back.

    I have to tell you that when I looked at that photo, I really was awash with emotion. I know now that I will never be able to look at it the same way again. What a great great photo that is. When I look at it I see a beautiful marriage between player and fan perfection. I will always think of our GB as the perfect Yankee fan. Damn.

  118. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Here’s an article, when you have time to read about which catchers are best at framing pitches-getting the ump to call a strike on a borderline pitch.

    by Mike Fast

    “I Was Framed
    Catchers play a central role in the game of baseball through their involvement with every pitch that their pitchers throw. One of their key tasks is receiving borderline pitches without discouraging the umpire from calling strikes.”
    http://www.baseballprospectus......leid=15093

  119. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    People have rejected my notion that the Yankees are among the teams least likely to add players that are costly. It seems indisputable to me. That leaves trades which defeats the use of prospects to reduce payroll.

    When Cashman says he wanted to work on pitching first, that really means he will wait to sign others until the multi year signings are completed. He knows he cannot compete for the group of players in demand.

  120. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    “Some say the world will end in fire,
    Some say in ice.
    From what I’ve tasted of desire
    I hold with those who favor fire.
    But if it had to perish twice,
    I think I know enough of hate
    To say that for destruction ice
    Is also great
    And would suffice.”

    What say you ?

    I say go with fire.

    ;)

  121. luis November 30th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Another thing,

    I read that GB7 is not coming back… He will be missed… Hope that wherever he is, he is happy.

  122. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Based on that list of the catchers best at framing ptches will this free agent catcher be signed by the Yankees?

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....-torrealba

  123. Ghostwriter November 30th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 6:57 am

    Chad said it isn’t absurd to think the Yankees could be in a pennant race. Now, there is optimism.

    The team is worse today without Martin. That is the fact. Martin will seem like Bench come mid-season. No cause for optimism that they won’t spend.

    They are saving there way to mediocrity. That’s my take.
    ======================

    The Yankees’ salaries were way out of line with the rest of the league and with history. Over the longer haul, the profligate spending wasn’t sustainable, and the belt tightening always had to happen. Moreover, that kind of extravagance is simply not necessary to put a winnning team on the field. I take some solace in the fact that there seems to be a coherent plan in place, and that they are still fielding solid contenders.

    I’m not happy about losing Martin either. However, if it comes down to a choice of having the money for Granderson or Cano, versus having it for Martin, then I think that the Yanks made the right choice. At the margin, Martin simply wasn’t good enough to warrant giving him what he wanted: his defense is slightly above average, and his hitting is way too inconsistent.

  124. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Trisha-

    Bohdi lives and is already among us on certain days.

    You just haven’t recognized his new form is all.

    But I can almost guarantee you he visits fairly regularly.

    ;)

  125. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    YT-

    The name is an obvious +

    :)

  126. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    MTU,

    Fabulous photo of the ram yesterday. Since RAM are my initials and I am a mountain creature, I feel an affinity.:) How close we’re you for the picture?

  127. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Sounds like a bullfighter.

  128. Ghostwriter November 30th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Based on that list of the catchers best at framing ptches will this free agent catcher be signed by the Yankees?

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/…..-torrealba
    =================

    I think that Cashman almost has to trade for one at this point, judging from the guys that are available. Still, there’s something to be said for letting Romnie have his shot.

  129. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Mac-

    About 20 ft.

    They’re tame. No fear. In a State park.

  130. luis November 30th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Ghost,

    Good post… Still, I think they made the right call with Martin… He is not better than a good BUC… Giving him a three year deal for 10 mil per, would have been shortsighted and a overpay… I comfortable with a tandem of Romine/ Olivo tandem… Sure is a little downgrade on paper, but I think they might surprise us… I mean, supplanting a 200 avg player with mistake power won’t be hard to replace. Swisher on the other hand will be hard to replace.

  131. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Trisha and MTU-

    Trisha-What picture did Tar post?

    MTU -Bodhi visits regularly as ?

    Signed,
    I’m a little bit lost here. :)

  132. disco stu November 30th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Unless he pulls a major rabbit out of his hat and trades for someone like Joe Mauer (which I dont see happening), I think the catching move Cashman makes this off season is to bring in at least one journeymen vet to help add depth and the Yankees go to ST with the plan that starting catcher’s job is Austin Romine’s to lose. If he flops, then they have enough of a fall back option that they wont setback too much.

    After all these years of hearing how the Yankees are one of the top organizations and procuring catching prospects, maybe they now feel it is time to put that faith and patience to the test … they jettisoned their prize prospect a year ago because they obviously felt he did have the defensive skills to be a MLB catcher.

    So they could trade Montero because they knew Romine was knocking on the door … his injury set him back, but maybe they were really encouraged by how good he looked in the AFL last month and figured its time to take the training wheels off.

  133. 86w183 November 30th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Morning all —-

    This has been a pretty boring off-season, hasn’t it. So far the Yanks have re-upped with five players — Kuroda, Pettitte, Rivera, Cano and Granderson — for about $ 15 M more than they earned last year. they also saved about $ 18 M by letting two regulars leave.

    So they got older and more expensive and still have voids in RF and at Catcher.

    Fortunately there’s plenty of time to do something about it… but what?

    To me RF is a big deal. Finding a catcher that can hit .211 not so tough.

  134. Chip November 30th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 7:10 am

    Upton will look good in a Ranger uniform. He is too expensive, and he has a contract beyond this year.
    ————————

    More to the point, Yankees don’t have the high level prospects to get Justin Upton. Also the notion that the Yankees won’t sign guys beyond this year is silly – they offered Martin a 2 year deal. The bottom line is that Martin’s not worth what the Pirates are paying him and as much as the Yankee front office liked Martin behind the plate they weren’t going to overpay to keep him. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of a paranoid narrative.

  135. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    YT-

    I have a theory only but he likes to talk prospects more than most.

    That can be my only clue. The style is evident if you know what to look for and are attuned to his personality.

    ;)

  136. Chip November 30th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    On a more concerning note than a marginal catcher – they say the camera adds ten pounds – Well I hope about a dozen cameras took the picture of Derek Jeter in this morning’s NY Post http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....eKPH0sR53H

  137. Mike Ri November 30th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    LOL . .damn Jetes …. watch the Carbs brother . . they sneak up on you !!!

  138. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Chip-

    My camera seems to weigh about ten lbs. when I’m out on the trail.

    I can vouch for that.

    Oops. That’s not what ya’ meant, is it ?

    :)

  139. jacksquat November 30th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 8:48 am
    Here’s an article, when you have time to read about which catchers are best at framing pitches-getting the ump to call a strike on a borderline pitch.

    by Mike Fast

    “I Was Framed
    Catchers play a central role in the game of baseball through their involvement with every pitch that their pitchers throw. One of their key tasks is receiving borderline pitches without discouraging the umpire from calling strikes.”

    If you look at the spreadsheet linked in that article:

    https://docs.google.com/a/cnm.edu/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmezwgYbFov9dDNZTm1rMVJvSjNaMXNwUXI0d3VvRXc&hl=en_US#gid=0

    Cervelli is not bad, kind of in the middle of the pack, better than several notable pitchers. Posada is horrendous on that list.

  140. MTU November 30th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Time to walk the Mops.

    Back later.

  141. Doreen November 30th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Ghostwriter -

    I agree with your 8:53 post about the Yankees’ spending history and how it was in need of adjustment at some point.

    Given the dearth of quality free agents, this seem as good a time as any (in combo with the tax benefits from the CBA) to accomplish this. Time will tell. And maybe we will all have to settle for competitive rather than front-runner for a couple of years. Doesn’t meant this can’t be an exciting team.

    I’m also getting a kick out of the Dodgers now being the team that is connected to every player out there, available or unavailable. I say, good! I’m tired of the Yankees spending more money that should have been necessary for players who may have been the best available, but far far far from the best. As someone else above said, there IS a difference.

  142. Shame Spencer November 30th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    MTU – Fire.

    Fire in the belly is what keeps you competitive!!

    And it reminds me of a Backstreet Boys song, I Want It That Way lol..

    You arrrrrrre my fiiiiiiire the onnnnee desiiiiire…

    *LoHud karaoke would be awesome*

  143. ac1 November 30th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Why do you think Cervelli was demoted to AAA the entire season except for a token call-up and one token at bat?
    _____

    Because they had depth issues with Romine hurt, and got Stewart who didnt have options?
    They said if Martin got hurt, Cervelli would have been the starter, not Stewart.

  144. Shame Spencer November 30th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Doreen – I like your drop ins! We briefly discussed if it would be worth it to sacrifice one member of LoHud a month to get you back in here a bit more often. I think most of us were on board with the idea…

  145. blake November 30th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    “Offensively he’s fine?”

    I mean IF he were a good defender I think he’d hit enough to catch in the big leagues…..didn’t mean he’s a great hitter or anthing.

  146. blake November 30th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    “Romine can’t do either!”

    Actually I think he’s got pretty good upside defensively if he can stay healthy.

  147. Chip November 30th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    I said it last night – Kurt Suzuki makes perfect sense for the Yankees:

    He’s a young veteran catcher known more for his work behind the plate than at it. The Nats picked him up last year because of a rash of injuries to their catchers but their starting catcher will be Wilson Ramos. At $6.5 this year (with a club option for next season) he makes too much money to be a backup catcher but would be very reasonable as a starter. He’s not any better or worse than Martin; shouldn’t require a whole lot in trade – either the Yankees could offer a marginal prospect or something even less if they were willing to take back a contract like John Lannan.

  148. CountryClub November 30th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    The yanks didn’t offer Martin two years…they didn’t offer him anything. Martin himself said that the yanks told him they didn’t have the money. Today Cashman said RF is the bigger priority.

  149. Doreen November 30th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Shame -

    No need for human sacrifice!

  150. ac1 November 30th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    The yanks didn’t offer Martin two years…they didn’t offer him anything. Martin himself said that the yanks told him they didn’t have the money. Today Cashman said RF is the bigger priority.

    ___

    It was clear what the Yankees thought about Martin.
    Homeruns or not, .211 should not earn you 17M.

  151. Shame Spencer November 30th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Doreen November 30th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Shame -

    No need for human sacrifice!

    ———————-

    *Sigh* Okay okay…

    Maybe we can just vote each other off the island for fun then!

  152. Shame Spencer November 30th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    I wonder who our RFer is going to be since it’s such a priority…

  153. Doreen November 30th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Shame -

    That could get very ugly. Who would be the last gal/guy standing????

  154. Shame Spencer November 30th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Doreen – The person voted Best Looking Lohud Poster of 2012!

    (Me. As voted on by… me. You missed the superlatives this year. They were pretty great. I won ALL the awards!!!)

  155. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Have to sign out also.

    Doreen-I’m really glad you’ll be dropping by again.

    Everyone have a great day.

    Until later.

  156. Hassey November 30th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    how old and advanced was Weiters when the O’s handed him the job?

    Maybe it’s not insane to consder doing the same thing with Sanchez to see what we got, and to learn from the legends while their still on the team

  157. blake November 30th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Daniel Barbarisi ?@DanBarbarisi
    Cash also said hes willing to use the catchers on roster now (cervelli, stewart, romine) but will look for offensive upgrade.

  158. blake November 30th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Daniel Barbarisi ?@DanBarbarisi
    Yankee GM also says he’s not at all concerned by ‘fat derek jeter’ pics in NY Post – says Jeter will be ready to go in spring as usual.

  159. DONNYBROOK November 30th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    - LOHUD DISAPPEARING ACT -

    (1) Where are ALL you guys that said Martin would NOT have taken the Yankee QO\$13.3 mill???

    (2) Where oh where is that Catcher’s Market that was being trumpeted around here yesterday???

  160. blake November 30th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    “how old and advanced was Weiters when the O’s handed him the job?”

    23 when he came up and 24 when he took over full time…..Wieters was a college kid and a stud from the day he was drafted (5th overall).

    Sanchez is 20 and has a ways to go yet…..

  161. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 30th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    MTU – Now you have my head swirling! But I am putting some things together and wonder, could it be? It would certainly make sense since the goodness is there!!! Hmmm…

    Bodi!!!!!

    Trader, Tar linked to this photo and said it was from one of GB’s last posts here. https://twitter.com/si_vault/status/225981338552000514/photo/1

    Isn’t it beautiful? When I look at it now it truly manages to permeate every fiber of my being.

    ********

    I seem to be having an emotional day today. First harkening back to that photo, then turning on FOX and Friends (too late apparently) but seeing an interview with the police officer who bought shoes for the homeless man in the City. I guess the photo has gone viral and the woman who took it (I think she’s from West Virginia) said the officer had no idea she was taking it. So it wasn’t a photo op for the officer. It just brought me back to the milk of human kindness and how interconnected we truly all are, and truly all should be. There but for the grace of God, etc. So I cried my way through that interview and then I come back the forum and see Doreen posting – speaking of the milk of human kindness!

    I am thinking that GB is smiling down on us and giving us all a big group hug right now. I’m sure that he would be thrilled to see Doreen back on the forum – as am I!

    Welcome back Doreen! You have truly been missed. I stopped counting the number of times someone here said “I really miss Doreen!”

    :)

  162. Shame Spencer November 30th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    blake November 30th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Daniel Barbarisi ?@DanBarbarisi
    Yankee GM also says he’s not at all concerned by ‘fat derek jeter’ pics in NY Post – says Jeter will be ready to go in spring as usual.

    —————————

    I don’t think we should expect Derek to be great at the onset of the season.. he himself has said that since he’s gotten older it means he needs to continue with his fitness regiment year round, since he can’t bounce back from extended time off like he could when he was younger. Hopefully he’ll be fine as the year moves along, but I’d think we’d have to lower our expectations for how he starts off.

  163. blake November 30th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    “(1) Where are ALL you guys that said Martin would NOT have taken the Yankee QO\$13.3 mill???

    (2) Where oh where is that Catcher’s Market that was being trumpeted around here yesterday???”

    the catching market is still strong…..Martin is a borderline starter and he got 8+ million for 2 years…..and nobody said he wouldn’t take the 13.3 million…..it was said that he might not take it and if he did so what….it would have been one year.

  164. Shame Spencer November 30th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Welcome back Doreen! You have truly been missed. I stopped counting the number of times someone here said “I really miss Doreen!”

    :)

    ——————

    Seriously!! MTU is still holding vigil for Erica and Erin.

    I almost got Erin back for the playoffs but then we sucked. :lol: Can’t blame her for steering clear! We’re not that much fun when we’re mad.

  165. ac1 November 30th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    I don’t think we should expect Derek to be great at the onset of the season.. he himself has said that since he’s gotten older it means he needs to continue with his fitness regiment year round, since he can’t bounce back from extended time off like he could when he was younger. Hopefully he’ll be fine as the year moves along, but I’d think we’d have to lower our expectations for how he starts off.
    ___

    I’d tell him to take the full amount of time needed to get back in shape. We have Nunez (errors and all) that can play SS. Jeter needs to be 100% when he comes back….

  166. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 30th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    And before I leave to get stuff done, I want to announce that Doreen was indeed an active participant in the “what do you put on your french fries” thread! YES!

    Have a great day all. I leave you with a smile. (Or is it a grin?)

    :D

  167. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 30th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    And I’ve never stopped thinking about my BFF Fran…

    :(

  168. Doreen November 30th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Trisha -

    ” I stopped counting the number of times someone here said “I really miss Doreen!” ”

    At least that conversation non-starter can end now. ;)

  169. Hassey November 30th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Blake – I’d still be OK with handing it to Sanchez. Let him learn on the job…he can’t hit THAT much worse than Martin, and maybe he can even throw some guys out. I know I am oversimplifying one of the hardest jobs in sports, but a vet like Stewart can teach him on the run about how to call a game. Really, how much worse can it be than what Martin gave us last year offensively? You have to give somethign to gain something. Randy L or any catchers – your opinions on how bad an idea it would be?

  170. Doreen November 30th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Trisha -

    I participated in many discussions, but toppings on French Fries was not one of them, since i don’t eat them!!! (Well, I snitch a couple here and there from my kids. ) Pancakes for the table was a favorite, though. Miss Sam Borden’s contributions here.

  171. blake November 30th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Doreen really left because it was nearly impossible to beat Girardi in GTLU in 2012. :) welcome back!

  172. PacoDooley November 30th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    DONNYBROOK November 30th, 2012 at 9:45 am
    - LOHUD DISAPPEARING ACT -

    (1) Where are ALL you guys that said Martin would NOT have taken the Yankee QO\$13.3 mill???
    ———————————

    Did someone really say that he would turn down a QO? He would have taken it and been giddy to get that much on a 1 year deal. It’s less than the total value of his 2 year deal, but the annual value is way out of line.

  173. blake November 30th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS
    my aj pierzynski dodger speculation was nothing more than that, probably less. person w/ knowledge says “not happening”

  174. blake November 30th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    “Did someone really say that he would turn down a QO? ”

    no some folks (including me) said that he MIGHT…..if he had 3 years out there as was being reported then of course he might choose that over a one year deal.

  175. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS
    #mariners also say not strong in on pierzynski. nyy wasnt in much before losing martin, maybe they should be.

    he’d have to do a one year deal.

  176. DONNYBROOK November 30th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Once again, the King of the Waffle House has spoken. You even dragged JF in, just to have some company. We All get it wrong from time-to-time. Some of us “stand up”, take our lumps, and wait for another AB. Too many posters around here are More concerned with being Right, than simply expressing an opinion, standing by it, and enjoying the give-and-take that ensues. If you try this approach, you Will find out it is preferrable to attempting The Limbo onna daily basis.

  177. 86w183 November 30th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Napoli and Pierzinski are still out there and one might take a one-year deals. Then again they may not.

    Several have mentioned Suzuki as a guy that makes some sense. Ryan Doumit could also be a trade target if the Yanks would absorb a contract or offer up some decent arms. He’s a better LH hitter than RH, which makes him a good fit for a share w/ Cervelli or Stewart.

  178. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    “Once again, the King of the Waffle House has spoken”

    once again the King of the nonsense has spoken

  179. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    I’m not concerned with being right….I’m concerned with the facts being straight

  180. 86w183 November 30th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Pierzinski is a guy that I would give $ 10 M for one season. Might not get it done, but worth a try.

  181. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    AJ on a one year deal would be great…..I don’t think he will take one though and I really expect him to go back to the ChiSox.

  182. Doreen November 30th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    blake

    GTLU is an exercise in futility. Like banging your head against a wall. Girardi can really work those 3 or so “flexible” lineup spots. ;) April is easy. The rest of the season????? If only guys could cooperate and stay healthy and productive. Ya know?

    No worries – no thoughts of trying to resurrect GTLU. Can’t make this place the habit it was in the past.

  183. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:06 am

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    yup….if he will do a 1 year 10 million dollar deal then do that and let he and Romine platoon….and “hopefully” Romine can take over in 2014 for the league minimum.

  184. DONNYBROOK November 30th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    And NOW Martin issa “borderline starter”??? The hole your digging is only getting deeper.

  185. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    “No worries – no thoughts of trying to resurrect GTLU. Can’t make this place the habit it was in the past.”

    lol….anyway hope you’re well and it’s good to see your screen name.

  186. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    “And NOW Martin issa “borderline starter”??? The hole your digging is only getting deeper.”

    he is….he’s a starting catcher that’s not much better than a back-up….a borderline starter….but because there are so few legit starting catchers he has value and that’s why he got a multi year deal for 8+ million a year even though he barely hit .200……try to keep up.

  187. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    I think Martin probably could have gotten more than that if he had waited…..he signed really early and a lot of teams still need catchers……not sure why he pulled the trigger so fast unless he really wanted to see AJ again.

  188. DONNYBROOK November 30th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Why would Any team offer a “borderline starter” the QO\$13.3 Mill??? The Hole gets unbelieveably Even deeper.

  189. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:13 am

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  190. Chip November 30th, 2012 at 10:15 am

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    He also famously said that he was fine with Bubba Crosby being the Yankees everyday CF prior to signing Johnny Damon.

    Stop listening to what Cashman says. He’s never, ever going to tell the media what he’s thinking or planning.

  191. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    “Why would Any team offer a “borderline starter” the QO\$13.3 Mill??? The Hole gets unbelieveably Even deeper.”

    so they would have a catcher next year and only be committed for one season….and so if he left they would get a draft pick….. not a hard concept….yes 13.3 million is an overpay…everyone is aware of that. I’m fine with them letting him go rather than giving him 2+ years….actually that’s what they should have done after it was apparent that 1 year wasn’t an option.

  192. djsunyc November 30th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    this is actually a good sign if you ask me.

    they might start being a bit more analytical when it comes to handing out longer term deals.

    face it – with arod + tex + cc + jeter making up half the payroll after next year, you have to be prudent in spending your money. especially if you want to hold onto cano and possibly hughes.

    it’s not imperative they develop the farm guys and we are most likely going to see a major youth overhaul by 2015. when you make major philosophical changes in spending, it takes time to implement.

  193. blake November 30th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    “Stop listening to what Cashman says. He’s never, ever going to tell the media what he’s thinking or planning.”

    I don’t…just posting what he said.

  194. 86w183 November 30th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    A lot of players want to get it over with between Thanksgiving and Christmas.

    I expect a significant amount of activity the next 2-3 weeks.

    How about this for Pierzinski…. $15 M for one year with a $ 5 M team option for 2014? Gets you the best LH hitting catcher available and absorbs most of the cap hit in 2013 because it’s a team option rather than a player option.

    Then all available resources can be focused on obtaining a RH hitting RF.

  195. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Chip, FWIW Suzuki had a lower WAR last year than Stewart.

  196. austinmac November 30th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    No, the Yankees never offered Martin any contract much less two years.

  197. Jerkface November 30th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Offering the QO to Martin was in the Yankees best interests if their goal is to cut payroll in 2014 while also trying to win in 2013. Martin for 1 year even on an overpay is ok and there is always the chance he would have declined because of his ego and belief he can get the 3-4 year deal he wanted.

  198. Jerkface November 30th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    The thing that makes the QO such a nice thing is that they have to forgo the entire free agency process to accept it. A guy like martin, who sincerely believes he should have been a first round pick and probably thinks he is 1 HR away from being the best catcher in baseball, may have declined. Just like Soriano is not going to get 13.3 mil per year but he was obviously going to decline.

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