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Cashman: “We’re still capable of a lot”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 01, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It’s the first of December, and the Yankees have taken care of the basics. Which, honestly, weren’t all that basic.

Re-signing veterans doesn’t stir a ton of excitement, but given the Yankees needs — and given the current free agent market — there’s nothing insignificant about one-year deals with Hiroki Kuroda, Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera. The rotation isn’t remade, but it’s put back together. The bullpen isn’t restructured, but its anchor is back in place.

“I think that we’re doing really well early in the process,” Brian Cashman said. “We obviously have some pressure points that have been very public and made aware of, and I think despite that we’ve been able to secure some really high-end players. … If you look at the marketplace — and it’s not a great marketplace — I’m not sure if anybody is doing better than that right now in terms of addressing some obvious needs.”

Thing is, the story of this winter isn’t all about Yankees obvious needs. The story of this winter is largely about next winter. It’s about the $189-million limit and the Yankees desire to cut payroll. Even in moments when that singular financial goal hasn’t been necessarily a factor, it’s still entered into the public conversation.

That’s why the general manager of the Yankees actually felt the need to say these words yesterday: “We’re not out of the multi-year market,” Cashman said. “We’re not out of thinking big, looking at something big.”

Thinking big and looking big. Those words have been said, but they haven’t been shown. And that’s the problem with the Yankees early moves this winter. It’s a problem of perception, not necessarily execution. Kuroda, Pettitte and Rivera are good and positive signings for this team, but they’ve done nothing to ease the overwhelming concern that the Yankees aren’t committed to being the powerhouse that’s defined them as a franchise.

Yesterday, as Cashman was wrapping up on that rooftop in Stamford, he addressed that speculation and criticism.

What follows are Cashman’s words:

“Even if we do the $189, it’s still the highest payroll in baseball, period.

“If you follow the math and look at how things can unfold and come off the board, you can see how things can fit, regardless of that. We’ll be aggressive when we want to be, on the right circumstances, but it’s in our interests to be as flexible as possible for a lot of reasons. And that’s obviously a big one.

“We’re still capable of a lot. People should still be leery of us and afraid of us, as if we’re the stalking horse. And that’s good. I want them to think that. And if we can strike and pounce on something that makes a lot of sense, works for us, and fits a lot of the criteria … I’d say, just stay tuned. But rest assured, we are going to put out a product that most cities would say, ‘Man, I wish we could do that. I wish I could run that type of team out there.’ I don’t care how old it is or what, they’re going to wish they could run a team out there like we do on a yearly basis, and we’re thankful that our owners allow us to do that.

“I think getting a Kuroda and a Pettitte back is huge. And then we’ll be in a position shortly to officially announce Mariano Rivera, and I think that’s huge, along with what we have.

“But we have to do more. We have to do more, and even after we do whatever we do, we’ll still have to do more, because that’s the nature of the beast, because whatever we do is never going to work well enough. Whenever your winter program is done, you have to zig and zag and be prepared for the injuries and lack of performance like every team does. And we intend to be prepared for the short term and the long term.

“You’ve got to be the tortoise and the hare.”

(That’s when Cashman noticed the bit of his costume that was dangling in his face and added this)

“And the Rastafarian Santa.”

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134 Responses to “Cashman: “We’re still capable of a lot””

  1. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Exactly !

    We have the chips.

    Make it happen Brian. Get me what I want.

    ;)

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 1st, 2012 at 9:03 am

    repost:

    I loved Jose Molina. But per usual, there were a lot of posters who wanted him gone because he wasn’t a prolific hitter. I’m always going to be a pitching/defense oriented anyway. Of course you need hitting, but the value of a catcher to me is in what he does to field his position. The hitting is a bonus. But speaking of hitting, Jose hit the last one out of the old Yankee Stadium, and I was sitting there in the bleachers, watching it fly. Wish we still had Jose, but that wouldn’t wash with this forum, even if he were out there for the taking.

    (Snowing in little Rhody, home of the holiday tree. And if you don’t understand the tree reference, all the better. Every time I think my state can’t do anything to embarrass itself more…)

    Now if you want to get a catcher whose hitting is assured, how about Carlos Ruiz?

    Think I’ll do a little searching to see the league average for catchers. If I had the energy and desire, I think an interesting stat would be to see a hitting regression for catchers, as opposed to other position players. I’d be willing to bet that the averages for catchers dip more quickly and precipitously over the course of a career than that for other positions.

    Good morning everyone!

    :)

  3. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Morning Trisha.

    Guess you saw my post about Bohdi.

    :)

    I have been feeling way more optimistic ever since we secured our Pitching.

    It would not surpise me in the least if Cashman busts a big move, or two.

    I’m not expecting it just hopeful now that the means are in place.

    Possibilities are wide open.

    :)

  4. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 9:08 am

    I’ve said for a while now that the way forward is thru trading.

    ;)

  5. LGY December 1st, 2012 at 9:09 am

    “Even if we do the $189, it’s still the highest payroll in baseball, period.

    ———–

    Guess Cash hasn’t been following the Dodgers.

  6. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Too bad Jose Molina isn’t available. The Rays are good at getting their players to sign contracts with club options.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 1st, 2012 at 9:16 am

    MTU – I did indeed see your post. Bod was/is/always will be one of my favorite posters of all time.

    :D !

  8. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 9:17 am

    MTU December 1st, 2012 at 9:04 am
    MY-

    He is a perfect fit for us. Not necessarily for the M’s.

    That’s exactly my point. Thanks for making it for me.

    ————————————————————————–

    I guess I don’t follow.

    He should be a perfect fit for Tampa yet they didn’t keep him. Why?

  9. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Trisha-

    There is a beautiful Western sunrise out here this morning.

    An analogy for the upcoming WM’s.

    Ruiz is on my list. Along with Jaso, and AJ P.

    My 1st choice is Jaso.

  10. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 9:20 am

    MY-

    Because they felt they could afford to part with him for what they got in return.

    People are looking at last year’s numbers and concluding he’s some sort of superstar.

    He’s not. He’s just a good player who will be a perfect compliment to Romine for a couple of years.

    That’s why I think he can be had, and why he would work for us.

    I think the M’s would be willing to part with him for what we would be able to offer.

    I hope that explains my POV.

    If not, it’s the best I can do.

    ;)

  11. Shame Spencer December 1st, 2012 at 9:22 am

    A couple of days ago we had a discussion about how we should never believe a lot of what Cashman says (ie: The Martin/Munson comparison) because it’s largely rhetoric.

    “We’re not out of the multiyear market,” Cashman said. “We’re not out of thinking big, looking at something big.”

    ….I want so badly to believe him.

    Like an ex-boyfriend you know is BSing you… I just don’t know how to quit you, Brian!!!

  12. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Brain Cashman to all other GM’s, “Let’s dance”.

    ;)

  13. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 9:24 am

    edit: Brian not Brain. Interesting freudian slip.

    :)

  14. CountryClub December 1st, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Despite what some people think, the Yanks have the players to make a big trade. The problem is, if they empty the farm to do so, they might be hurting themselves over the next few years. It’s a fine line that they need to walk.

  15. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 9:26 am

    trisha

    I’ve heard about the tree issue down there.

    Where will it end? smh.

    You and I were on opposite ends on Molina when he was with the Yankees.

    I loved his defense. He wasn’t durable enough and his offense was too weak.

    Just my guess but he wanted a bigger role than the Yankees were willing to give him or pay for.

  16. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 9:27 am

    cc-

    yes. it is, and their self-scouting has been called into question recently.

    But I still think they can do it successfully. they have the pieces.

    trading is the way forward IMO. I said it before, and I’ll keep saying to anyone who’ll listen.

  17. Doreen December 1st, 2012 at 9:27 am

    I believe him to a point. He also said all the moves they make/money they spend have to make sense (according to internal guidelines, obviously, not to us – ;) ). So, yeah, they’ll spend or trade for someone who has long term commitments, but it would have to be as close to low risk as you can get. The Yankees are the only ones who really know how they can move their chits around, and who they are willing to part ways with and who they deem “worthy” of the dollars they plan to spend.

    Lots of questions going forward obviously, but we can’t know the future, or their thinking or intentions. But if you chose to look at this as a way of getting more refined in their pursuit of players, it is not a long-term bad thing. Think fewer Igawa situations.

  18. Doreen December 1st, 2012 at 9:30 am

    MTU -

    Is the self-scouting being questioned outside of Lohud?

  19. LGY December 1st, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Lots of questions going forward obviously, but we can’t know the future, or their thinking or intentions. But if you chose to look at this as a way of getting more refined in their pursuit of players, it is not a long-term bad thing. Think fewer Igawa situations

    ———

    But the annoying part is, if they had flexed their financial muscles and taken the risk on Chapman, Darvish, and Cespedes they’d be set up extremely well for getting the payroll to $189M.

  20. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 9:30 am

    MTU

    People are looking at last year’s numbers and concluding he’s some sort of superstar.

    He’s not. He’s just a good player who will be a perfect compliment to Romine for a couple of years
    ————————————————————————————–

    If this is the case then what you’re offering is an overpay for a buc.

  21. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Doreen-

    the Yankees do not hug prospects as much as some do here.

    Despite what they say.

    They see most players as chips to be traded.

    And I think they are right to try to keep only the very best ones.

    Most will bust out or be injured anyway.

    The who and the when are the real questions.

    I believe that’s a committee decision on the important ones.

    Today is a hike day today.

    have to get ready soon.

  22. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 9:34 am

    MY-

    Then I’ll offer less. That’s OK with me too.

    ;)

    Doreen-

    I don’t know the answer to that one. Jackson is a sore spot with some.

    But we got Granderson’s production in return.

    Right now I’d rather have Jackson.

  23. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Cashman’s statement does seem to say he hears the fan concerns. I would bet the Yankees have someone checking fan attitudes on websites. Why wouldn’t they? They must consider revenue and fan interest. That part of the balance sheet is more subject to fluctuation.

  24. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 9:37 am

    LGY,

    Completely agree they missed the boat last year on good players at reasonable cost. I wonder how the new Cuban SS refugee is evaluated.

  25. Against All Odds December 1st, 2012 at 9:38 am

    ….I want so badly to believe him

    —————-

    Action speaks louder than words Shame. Maybe we should ignore the rhetoric and just keep on what moves he makes

  26. Chip December 1st, 2012 at 9:40 am

    austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Cashman’s statement does seem to say he hears the fan concerns. I would bet the Yankees have someone checking fan attitudes on websites. Why wouldn’t they? They must consider revenue and fan interest. That part of the balance sheet is more subject to fluctuation.
    ——————

    Sorry to burst your bubble but the fans that post on websites aren’t the ones the Yankees care about.

    1. You can post on a website from North Dakota so it’s not an accurate indication of what ticket sales will do.
    2. There aren’t enough people who post on websites to make a difference.
    3. Teams are generally more concerned with winning the dollars from casual fans and corporate buyers…two groups that don’t post on fan boards.

  27. Against All Odds December 1st, 2012 at 9:40 am

    I would bet the Yankees have someone checking fan attitudes on websites

    ——-

    Cashman did say he gets ideas from many different places.

  28. Chip December 1st, 2012 at 9:42 am

    LGY –

    I hate to admit it but I get the distinct feeling that after the failures of Contreras and Igawa and Irabu the Yankees are gun shy about lavishing big money on international players.

  29. Doreen December 1st, 2012 at 9:43 am

    LGY -

    They (Darvish and Cespedes) were high risk from the Yankees POV. Other teams too. Chapman, I don’t know.

    The year before last, Jackson was the K-machine; last year, it was Grandy. I’d like to see Jackson have another year like last year’s before saying they let a star go. Grandy looked like he had turned a corner in 2011 after some adjustments at the plate. They didn’t work so well a second year in a row.

    But Jackson is a fantastic fielder, no matter what, and while I liked the trade for Grandy, it wasn’t without some pain (I liked both Jackson and Kennedy). I chalk that up to “that’s baseball,” a part of the entire fan package.

    Actually, I think that deal has been about neutral all around, for all the teams involved. Ups and downs. Positives and negatives. I’m not sure any of the teams would undo it. If my arm was twisted, I’d say maybe Detroit made out slightly better.

  30. Shame Spencer December 1st, 2012 at 9:45 am

    It’s really the timing that throws us all off… I agree it’s a GREAT thing for them work smarter.

    But I’m not sure they’ve done a lot to help themselves last off season that makes me think they’re actually worried about getting smarter. We shall see.

    They need to start extending people. They need to figure out who in the minors can help. 2013 will be an audition year. I think they go cheap on the OF and see if Slade can contribute by mid year. I think they need to get Adams up in place of Chavez. They need to figure out if Pineda’s arm is dead forever.

    This is why I don’t think they’ll do anything big until the deadline, and at that point they’ll only do it if they realize they aren’t in a position to make the playoffs. If this team, constructed as is, is still competitive by mid-year… they stand pat.

  31. Chip December 1st, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Against All Odds December 1st, 2012 at 9:40 am

    I would bet the Yankees have someone checking fan attitudes on websites

    ——-

    Cashman did say he gets ideas from many different places.
    ———————

    Well Brian if you’re reading this here are a couple of deals for you:

    Gardner, Nunez and Warren to the Twins for Morneau and Willingham

    Granderson to the Marlins for Logan Morrison and Nolasco

    Ivan Nova to the Royals for Lorenzo Cain

  32. Shame Spencer December 1st, 2012 at 9:49 am

    I just want the Yankees to stop acting like JLo because I know you guys want me to stop posting about how they’re acting like JLo.

    (But really, they’re acting like JLo.)

  33. Shame Spencer December 1st, 2012 at 9:50 am

    The Dodgers = Celine ‘The Greatest Singah in De World!’ Dion
    The Yankees = Jenny from the Block

    UGHHHHH.

  34. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 9:50 am

    In regards to the Grandy/Jackson trade I think most of us can look back at decisions we made in the past and think maybe we would change the decision if we could.

  35. jonathan p December 1st, 2012 at 9:53 am

    just so everyone knows this

    A.J. Pierzynski 2012 OPS 827
    AROD 2012 OPS 783
    Russell Martin 2012 OPS 713
    numbers speak for themself

  36. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Chip

    Well Brian if you’re reading this here are a couple of deals for you:

    Gardner, Nunez and Warren to the Twins for Morneau and Willingham

    Granderson to the Marlins for Logan Morrison and Nolasco

    Ivan Nova to the Royals for Lorenzo Cain

    ——————————————————————————–

    I hope he isn’t reading the blog right now. :D:

  37. David in Cal December 1st, 2012 at 9:55 am

    One way to pressure players into accepting an extention is to punish those who turn down an extension offer by letting them go at the end of their contract. Maybe one reason they let Martin go was to send a message to Grandy and Cano.

  38. Doreen December 1st, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Maine Yankee -

    But for most people, at the time they make the decisions they make, there were valid reasons for making those decisions. We’ve all had darn if I could do it over moments, but we really have to cut slack to ourselves. No one makes a poor decision on purpose. Right? And every time we face a fork in the road and choose one direction, there’s no way of knowing how the other direction might have turned out, and we’ll always wonder.

    You have to move on. (To quote a Sondheim lyric – the choice may have been mistaken, the choosing was not, you have to move on.)

    Especially in baseball. Where immediate needs are usually the more important ones.

  39. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Doreen

    I’d say maybe Detroit made out slightly better

    ————————————————————————

    If it’s that close then I say they both did well.

  40. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Chip,

    I have no bubble to burst. Companies need to weigh customer attitudes. My daughter in law works for a company that does nothing except follow tweets and other postings about their company and products. These are Fortune 500 companies.

    But, yes, I believe Brian and Hal listen only to me.

  41. Chip December 1st, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Maine

    come on man:

    Jeter
    Cain – CF
    Tex
    Cano
    Alex
    Morneau – DH
    Willingham – RF
    LoMo – LF
    Romine

    Rotation:
    CC
    Kuroda
    Hughes
    Andy
    Nolasco/Phelps

    I just gave us a young CF and LF to build with.

  42. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Doreen December 1st, 2012 at 9:56 am
    Maine Yankee -

    But for most people, at the time they make the decisions they make, there were valid reasons for making those decisions. We’ve all had darn if I could do it over moments, but we really have to cut slack to ourselves. No one makes a poor decision on purpose. Right? And every time we face a fork in the road and choose one direction, there’s no way of knowing how the other direction might have turned out, and we’ll always wonder.

    You have to move on. (To quote a Sondheim lyric – the choice may have been mistaken, the choosing was not, you have to move on.)

    Especially in baseball. Where immediate needs are usually the more important ones.

    ———————————————————————

    You just expressed what I was trying to say in a more clear way, which you usually do. :D:

  43. Chip December 1st, 2012 at 10:00 am

    austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Chip,

    I have no bubble to burst. Companies need to weigh customer attitudes. My daughter in law works for a company that does nothing except follow tweets and other postings about their company and products. These are Fortune 500 companies.

    But, yes, I believe Brian and Hal listen only to me.
    ———————

    I’m not disputing that companies listen to consumers – but we’re not the market that the Yankees are listening to. It would be like Burger King evaluating how they’re viewed by millionaires. The number of millionaires that eat at Burger King are likely not significant enough to impact the bottom line, just as the number of Yankee fans who post on fan boards are not significant enough to impact overall ticket sales.

  44. Frankg December 1st, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Don’t fret, Cashman will come up with another great trade, like his last few in which he get’s badly screwed. The Granderson deal, the Pineda fiasco, the Tyler Clippard for Jonathan Albaladejo shaft, and the Javy Vasquez and Boone Logan deal for Melky Cabrera, Mike Dunn, and Arodys Vizcaino.

    Or may be he’ll decide that someone like Alfredo Aceves or Christian Garcia is too injury prone and not offer him a contract. Funny thing, Boston signed Aceves and he has been a good reliever for the past two years without time on the DL. Nothing like giving away a good pitcher to an major rival for free. How many times does that happen?

    After arm surgery, Garcia was great in the minors before his call up to the Nationals last year and has a shot at their rotation this year. The Yankees clearly need new medical staff, especially since they misdiagnosed Texeria’s throat problem for several months and badly damaged his productivity.

  45. Doreen December 1st, 2012 at 10:02 am

    David in Cal -

    Maybe, but it can also be cutting one’s nose to spite one’s face. Obviously the people who control the pursestrings didn’t see Martin as enough of a difference maker to go beyond their internal valuation of his talents.

  46. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Chip

    Millionaires would be looking at the bottom line to see if they want in on the action.

  47. Doreen December 1st, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Have a good day everyone.

  48. 86w183 December 1st, 2012 at 10:06 am

    I’m in the media business and I read a number of “fan” blogs on the subjects that apply to my area because there is no demographic limit to good ideas, insight or perspective.

    There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the Yanks have people assigned to frequent places like this and perhaps even start discussions at them in order to get some unedited fan feedback.

    It’s not they come here looking for possible trade targets. It’s more to hear what people are saying, thinking and feeling. I’m not saying that Cashman might see a trade suggestion here and try to make that deal, but the germination of an idea can most certainly begin on a fan blog, talk radio or a letter to the editor.

    There are a lot of very astute baseball observers here and elsewhere in the fan universe. Only an idiot would tune all of it out.

  49. Against All Odds December 1st, 2012 at 10:06 am

    I hate to admit it but I get the distinct feeling that after the failures of Contreras and Igawa and Irabu the Yankees are gun shy about lavishing big money on international players

    ———

    It’s the truth. Cash basically admitted that in a wfan months ago

  50. Chip December 1st, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Looking at the nontender list here are some guys that I expect the Yankees will have varied levels of interest in:

    Position Players
    Jesus Flores
    Wil Nieves
    Geovanni Soto
    Bobby Wilson
    Ian Stewart
    Dan Johnson
    Ryan Sweeney

    P:
    Tom Gorzelanny
    Manny Parra
    Daniel Schlereth

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 1st, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Maine – absolutely breaks my heart. When I was much more idealistic (if that’s indeed possible ) I would hear about voter apathy and feel totally bewildered as to how anyone could be apathetic when it came to voting. These are your leaders, get out there and vote!

    In the meantime, RI has had at least 4 of its Supreme Court CHIEF justices either resign in shame or be removed from the bench (one for harboring a mafia criminal who had been hiding out); one of its state senators who is in charge of the most powerful senate committees, who has been arrested for stealing condoms and for keying the car of a political rival, returned to office time after time and is still there; the chief mover and shaker in the House, the majority leader Gordon Fox, who has been implicated in shady dealings involving the Curt Schilling $75 million dollar debacle that helped kill the state’s economy, returned to office in November; one of our Congressmen in the House of Reps, who was exposed for paying off voters when he was mayor and who left the city bankrupt when he ran for national office such that city workers had to give up their pensions, that corrupt little a-hole returned to Congress this November. (His opponent was the former head of our state police.)

    And now the holiday tree.

  52. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 10:09 am

    The web is the easiest way to measure fan attitudes. It is not only millionaires who attend games and buy products or watch games on TV. In fact, they are a small percent.

  53. Triple Short of a Cycle December 1st, 2012 at 10:12 am

    And now the holiday tree.

    ————————-

    That pesky “war” on Christmas rears its ugly head again.

    How truly persecuted you must feel

  54. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Hike day today.

    All I can say is that until the roster is set the possibilities for moving forward are wide open. We have the chips.

    Please do not underestimate their value in the right circumstances.

    When I learned to shoot I always aimed high at a distance.

    That way, when the bullet dropped I still hit the target.

    Aim high Yankee fans. You’ll still hit the target regardless of what happens.

    I’m more optimistic right now than I have been in a while.

    I hope it’s justified.

    :)

  55. yankee21 December 1st, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Good morning. I think it has been a good start to the OS sealing up Kuroda-san, Andy, and Mo while bidding adieu to Martin. However they are 1 year older and they are also less of a team at this stage of the OS than the team that totally fizzled out a couple months ago and were an embarrassment. They were an old, and for the most part boring team in 2012. They have not addressed any element of the team that will create some excitement for the fan base. So far.

    Cashman has work to do, I hope he is setting some time aside in his schedule to do the work of a GM.

  56. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 1st, 2012 at 10:17 am

    My state is a total embarrassment. The people who reside in my state, apparently the majority of them, even moreso. How do you knowingly vote in criminals and crooks? Horrifying.

    **********

    About Cashman and human nature, even if your shoulders are big enough to carry the GMship of the NYY.

    Last off season/season Brian was embroiled in a very unpleasant and public debacle that had legal implications. Randy said on many occassions that Cashman should step aside, even temporarily. I wrote it off to Randy’s Cashman hatred, but I truly have to believe that Cashman’s head necessarily wasn’t where it needed to be and the team probably suffered on some level because of it.

    I’m also thinking we have a more clear-headed GM right now. That is nothing but good.

  57. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 10:28 am

    And for those of you who think that Adams and Heathcott are locks to be a part of the Yankees future.

    Think again. They may, or may not be.

    IMO they were both being showcased in the AFL.

    Not saying they will definitely be traded but they very well could be.

    They both enhanced their trade value.

    The Yankees are not going to be able to, nor should they IMO keep all of their prospects.

    Most are trade chips. Very, very few are designated as “keepers”.

    Know when to hold ‘em. Know when to fold ‘em.

    Have a great day.

    I know I will. I’ll be thinking about the possibilities on trail.

    :)

  58. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Cashman :

    “I will deal any player in the right trade.”

    ;)

  59. randy l. December 1st, 2012 at 10:30 am

    “We’re still capable of a lot. People should still be leery of us and afraid of us, as if we’re the stalking horse. “brian cashman

    huh? stalking horse?
    ah, i see.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking_horse

    “The expression is generally used in politics and business. In politics, the circumstances are an attempt to bring down a powerful leader, usually by members of their own party. In business, the circumstances are an attempt at testing the market for a potential (hostile) takeover of a business. In each case, there is the clear understanding that the anonymous party, whether a company or an individual, has a valuable reputation that could be damaged by the failure. The stalking horse is an exercise in assessing accurately the degree of risk, thus a full-blooded challenge is only mounted by the main party when there is a real likelihood of success.
    The loser in the exercise appears to be the stalking horse. If the idea is viable and/or popular, the stalking horse person will lose out because the anonymous figure will discard him or her and take over the concept themselves. If the concept is unpopular, the stalking horse will be ‘shot down in flames’ and will get metaphorically burned. The understanding is that the anonymous party is a major player, probably only a little weaker than the target him or her self, and the stalking horse very much a minor figure—a minnow—who has little or no reputation to lose. The anonymous figure is not sufficiently powerful, or does not have sufficient confidence in his power, to risk a direct attack first off, but the stalking horse is a form of distraction tactic to enable better positioning.”

    “shot down in flames”

    nice metaphor brian :)

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 1st, 2012 at 10:32 am

    “But rest assured, we are going to put out a product that most cities would say, ‘Man, I wish we could do that. I wish I could run that type of team out there.’”

    Can’t deny the truth. After that, it’s up to the players.

    I believe. I trust. GO YANKEES!!!

    :)

    Great day all!

  61. yankee21 December 1st, 2012 at 10:32 am

    I would keep Adams and Heathcott and move Cano. There is no way Cano can get a mega-contract from an owner who values cost cutting as the primary objective. So let him chase the $$ somewhere else.

    I think Adams is a good ballplayer and deserves a fair shot as a 2B. I think Heathcott is a guy you hold onto and deal with the ups and downs in the process of getting to the show.

    I move Mason Williams before either of these. Call me crazy, just an opinion.

  62. luis December 1st, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Good morning everyone,

    Maine,

    Long time no see… About analyzing decisions in hindsight, you are right, it’s very easy to assess a choice after you see the results… The important thing about it is to learn from the process.

    In the Yankees case, I’ll say they need to be more patient and make moves with the long term future in mind, rather than the “win now” kind of mind set. Will the fans be reasonable enough to deal with this?.. Time will tell.

  63. yankee21 December 1st, 2012 at 10:41 am

    I have to go but let me weigh in on one more opinion.

    If I’m the GM for NYY I find a way to package Hughes and Grandy and get back the best near ML ready SS or 3B I can find from a team.

    Granderson has no future with this team after 2013 and Hughes I believe will bolt when he becomes a FA in a year.

    I find a new home for Cano and get back at least one potential impact player in return. I don’t care if he is in AA or AAA.

    Then I offer Hamilton a 5/125 year contract with an opt out after year 2.

    Last, I find a way to pick up Brian McCann and wait on him to recover from his injury.

  64. luis December 1st, 2012 at 10:43 am

    MTU,

    Thanks buddy… About your last comment… Let’s trade Granderson ;)

  65. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 10:46 am

    luis

    The win now concept is not a theme this group put in place.

    It started when George bought the team.

    I think if you can be objective I think you can see they are starting to trend toward looking at long term while trying to win now.

    That transition won’t come without some set backs but I’m more confident than some that it can be done.

  66. MTU December 1st, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Luis-

    I have to go.

    Cashman said “Any player…..”, and I think he meant it.

    Me. I do not really care which ones as long as the return value is there.

    Younger, faster, and more athletic is good.

    I think the range of possibilities are as wide open as Cashman’s vision.

    Hasta luego, Amigo.

    :)

  67. yankee21 December 1st, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Maine;

    I like your optimism but I’d have more confidence in NY having a LT view when I start seeing serious investment in their Minor League operations, including the hiring of more scouts, coaches and player development personnel while also cutting loose those coaches and others who have not produced.

  68. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 10:49 am

    yankee21

    I’m curious how you fill the holes you just created with these moves?

  69. luis December 1st, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Maine,

    It appears to be the case. Let’s hope after all is said and done we have a perennial contender for years to come.

    Yankee21,

    Good posts… In regard to Granderson, I agree… In Hughes case, I think they made a hufe mistake by not extending him last season on the cheap side… Therefore what you say makes sense, since I don’t think they will be able to afford him when he becomes a FA, especially after a great season that I think he is going to have.

    About the prospects, I think they should keep both, until they know for certaib which one is the keeper. We have a core to build.

    About Hamilton, I thinl they should go after him. He costs only money.

  70. Bronx Jeers December 1st, 2012 at 10:54 am

    It’s tough to buy the “watch out! We’re still big game hunters” spiel when you let your own version of Thurman Munson sign with the Pirates.

    I think even I could have lived with what he got from Pittsburgh and I called Martin the worst hitting Yankee catcher in 2 generations.

  71. blake December 1st, 2012 at 10:56 am

    “Even if we do the $189, it’s still the highest payroll in baseball, period.”

    false…the Dodgers are at 193 for 2013 and it aint going backwards

  72. yankee21 December 1st, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Maine

    Adams becomes the 2B. Gardner becomes the CF. Hamilton becomes the LF. Nova/Phelps compete for #4/#5 starter. Marshall and Warren are MiL depth if/when Andy or one of the other SP goes down. Pineda the 2H of the year is also MiL depth.

    I imagine NY would also get back some ML ready talent in return for moving Hughes, Grandy and Cano to potentially fill these slots in the event Adams cannot cut it at 2B at the ML level.

  73. luis December 1st, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Maine,

    Inevitably there are some holes that won’t be filled with equal talent at first. Especially if you take in to account the cap and the core rebuilding that needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.

  74. yankee21 December 1st, 2012 at 11:00 am

    One more thing and I really have to go and this regarding Cano.

    Aside from Joba he is my favorite and if I were the owner I wouldn’t hesitate on overpaying him for 5/125. However my sense is Boras will take him to FA and Cano will demand the moon and with the game flush with cash (except in Hal’s world) there will be a team that ponies up the do. So reluctantly, I have to move Cano for several pieces now and I try to sign Hamilton to hedge against the drop in production from losing the best 2B in the game due to money.

  75. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 11:01 am

    yankee21 December 1st, 2012 at 10:48 am
    Maine;

    I like your optimism but I’d have more confidence in NY having a LT view when I start seeing serious investment in their Minor League operations, including the hiring of more scouts, coaches and player development personnel while also cutting loose those coaches and others who have not produced.

    ———————————————————————————

    I farmed most of my life and heard the comment many times, “how hard can it be to just ride around on a tractor all day”.

    Once they tried it for themselves they found how demanding it was, but to observe from the sidelines it looked easy.

    Alot of things look easy until you actually have to do it.

  76. randy l. December 1st, 2012 at 11:04 am

    maine yankee-

    are you telling us to beware of the stalking tractor?

  77. tomingeorgia December 1st, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Maine,
    Amen to that. It ain’t easy to sort out a major change in strategy and tactics in the middle of a battle. Hope all is well up there in view of Mt. Washington.

  78. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 11:07 am

    yankee21 December 1st, 2012 at 10:56 am
    Maine

    Adams becomes the 2B. Gardner becomes the CF. Hamilton becomes the LF. Nova/Phelps compete for #4/#5 starter. Marshall and Warren are MiL depth if/when Andy or one of the other SP goes down. Pineda the 2H of the year is also MiL depth.

    I imagine NY would also get back some ML ready talent in return for moving Hughes, Grandy and Cano to potentially fill these slots in the event Adams cannot cut it at 2B at the ML level.

    ——————————————————————————–

    Sounds easy but if it doesn’t work Cashman has to answer to the fo why it didn’t.

    All you have to do is say “Oh well” and move on to the next idea you have that they should try.

  79. yankee21 December 1st, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Maine; I can’t really relate to farming not my line of work but is there a shortage of scouts, coaches, or roving instructors out there that could help teach NYY minor leaguers the basics of how to bunt, steal, field a ground ball and help prospect pitchers develop a 3rd pitch?Personally I don’t think so.

    I do think there is a shortage of willingness on the part of ownership to invest in the organization and ultimately the big club will suffer especially when there is also a self mandate to cut payroll.

  80. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 11:10 am

    randy l. December 1st, 2012 at 11:04 am
    maine yankee-

    are you telling us to beware of the stalking tractor?

    ——————————————————————

    No just my neighbors to the south.

  81. yankee21 December 1st, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Sounds easy but if it doesn’t work Cashman has to answer to the fo why it didn’t.

    All you have to do is say “Oh well” and move on to the next idea you have that they should try.

    —–

    Maine; Not saying it is easy. Are the Yankees paying me a couple million per year to improve the team? Aside from rappelling off of buildings do you think Cashman should work on improving the team or is everything A-Ok to you, in good hands and you are happy with the course the team is on? I’d like to hear your ideas.

  82. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 11:13 am

    tomingeorgia December 1st, 2012 at 11:07 am
    Maine,
    Amen to that. It ain’t easy to sort out a major change in strategy and tactics in the middle of a battle. Hope all is well up there in view of Mt. Washington.

    —————————————————————————-

    Light snow falling now but other than that all is well.

    I guess you survived Thanksgiving alone.

  83. blake December 1st, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Cashman ain’t dumb….he knows that without some bold maneuvering this team could really take a step back after this season.

    I do think he’s going to try to do some things…..the problem is that in order to do something on a grand scale they are either going to have to. 1) spend some money 2) trade so much of the farm and young players that it may be counter productive……

    The Yanks have two legit CF prospects (Heathcott and mason)…..their best shot at a big deal for the bat they need might be to package one of them with the excess they have on the big league roster…..don’t know if it’ll be enough.

    Cash does have options….whether he gets something done via trade may just depend on how much he’s willing to give and the other teams…..

  84. tomingeorgia December 1st, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Maine,
    I suffered over Thanksgiving with a large batch of venison chili that helped ease the pain. Glad it’s over, though. Turkey dinner tomorrow!

  85. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 11:20 am

    yankee21 December 1st, 2012 at 11:13 am
    Sounds easy but if it doesn’t work Cashman has to answer to the fo why it didn’t.

    All you have to do is say “Oh well” and move on to the next idea you have that they should try.

    —–

    Maine; Not saying it is easy. Are the Yankees paying me a couple million per year to improve the team? Aside from rappelling off of buildings do you think Cashman should work on improving the team or is everything A-Ok to you, in good hands and you are happy with the course the team is on? I’d like to hear your ideas.

    ————————————————————————————–

    You’re missing the point.

    You don’t need to understand farming to get what I was trying to convey.

    My ideas mean nothing when they can only be based on how I see things not on facts.

    Many times opinions have been expressed here based on just what was writtten only to find out we only had a small sample of the true facts.

    Hard to make a true judgment based on partial facts.

  86. Tar December 1st, 2012 at 11:21 am

    I feel like I stepped in a time warp. It’s really nice to see some old timers posting again. . :D

  87. Tar December 1st, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Randy

    If you have a minute Iwould like to hear your take on the catching situation. Is Romine ready? Who should they go after etc? Thanks

  88. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Tar December 1st, 2012 at 11:21 am
    I feel like I stepped in a time warp. It’s really nice to see some old timers posting again. .

    ———————————————————————-

    If that’s all you stepped in your okay. :lol:

  89. yankee21 December 1st, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Maine; none of us have all the facts. Can’t argue with you. However we do know some key facts that are relevant here:

    Granderson, Cano and Hughes are FA after 2013.
    Hal has stated that 189 by 2014 is not some feel good target, it is an objective.
    In 2014, NY will have 4 players under contract comprising nearly 50% of that payroll target
    NY is an old team with its famed core nearing retirement
    Attendance declined in 2012 and was low in the playoffs.
    TOR is improving, TB is well run, BOS has $$ to spend, and BAL is no longer a doormat.

    These conditions require a stance that should be proactive. What are your ideas to improve given what is known.

  90. tomingeorgia December 1st, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Doesn’t take a farmer to know that!

  91. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 11:28 am

    And when I talk about stepping in “it” I know what I’m talking about. :D:

  92. tomingeorgia December 1st, 2012 at 11:31 am

    ESP, I guess.

  93. Tar December 1st, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Maine

    Beat me to it. :D

  94. tomingeorgia December 1st, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Anybody here going to be watching Alabama/Georgia this afternoon? Go, Dawgs!

  95. mick December 1st, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Does anyone know the Yankee payroll for 2014 minus all 1 year contracts that will expire?
    Approximations are welcome…

  96. mick December 1st, 2012 at 11:35 am

    In 2014, NY will have 4 players under contract comprising nearly 50% of that payroll target
    ===========================
    Make room for Jeter…

  97. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 1st, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Way OT – something that REALLY bothered me. When I went shopping one day last week I grabbed some tags from the Giving Tree at the store I was in. Last night I was at Kohls and one of the tags was for winter boots for a 5-year-old girl. Other than the size that’s all the tag said. The boots at Kohls were in odd colors and I wondered whether the mother would want something more neutral for her daughter. A salesperson came over to help me and when I told her my dilemma, her “response” – seriously more like a retort – was “Hey if they’re poor and they put a tag on the tree, they should be happy for whatever they get.” What?????

    It brought me back to a Thanksgiving when I went to help serve food for people who had nowhere to go for TG. It was in a really poor area of the state. My job was to carry the dessert tray to the tables and hand out desserts. I brought the tray to the one the tables and someone at the table asked me if they could have a kind of pie that wasn’t on my tray. So I said I would go and check and went back to the kitchen and asked the head honcho if they had whatever kind of pie, I forget what it was. They did, but she told me to just put whatever was on the tray in front of the people, we weren’t taking individual orders. “We’re too busy for that” she said. So I grabbed the pie from the counter, went back and gave it to the person, and asked every person from that moment what they’d like and if it wasn’t on the tray and we had it, I went back and got it. I did it quickly, (“we’re too busy for that”) but I did it.

    Should these people have been just grovelling at our feet because we were wonderful enough to waste our time on them? Does that little girl who needs the boots deserve any less attention to detail because she’s poor? Where do these elitist monsters come from? I feel Bud Selig-level outrage when I witness things like that.

    :evil:

  98. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Tom, I will be watching. Since a son went to UGA, I pull for them.

  99. pkyankfan69 December 1st, 2012 at 11:44 am

    tomingeorgia December 1st, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Anybody here going to be watching Alabama/Georgia this afternoon? Go, Dawgs!
    ———————————————-
    Looking forward to the game… I think it will be pretty competitive for the most part but I see Alabama pulling it out by a decent margin in the end. Georgia played a pretty weak schedule this year. Other than beating Florida, Georgia really beat no one all year. And Florida’s QB played a miserably bad game against Georgia. Overall, I think Georgia is pretty overrated this year.

  100. blake December 1st, 2012 at 11:47 am

    December 1, 2012 at 11:34 am
    Does anyone know the Yankee payroll for 2014 minus all 1 year contracts that will expire?
    Approximations are welcome…

    27.5 (Arod) , 23 (tex) , 23 (CC), 15 (Jeter). 11ish (bonuses, etc)

    That’s right around 100 million on the books for luxury tax purposes for 2014 in 4 players…..so they have about 89 million to play with…..but a whole bunch of roster spots to fill……

  101. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 11:48 am

    yankee21

    These conditions require a stance that should be proactive. What are your ideas to improve given what is known.

    —————————————————————————————————–

    I don’t get as rapped up in the what ifs as some here do.

    Not that I’m judging the ones that do. Just not my thing.

    Also I don’t like trying to make up my mind on something only armed with limited info.

    It’s too hard to determine what the team is doing based on what the “tabloid” journalists are writing.

  102. mick December 1st, 2012 at 11:49 am

    trish…to some people it’s just a job.

  103. 86w183 December 1st, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Any thoughts on Mike Morse?

    Strong RH bat, nice balance between LHP/RHP and Home/Away splits. He’s expendable after the Denard Spann trade.

    What might the price on him be? Yanks have talent to upgrade their bullpen which might be their biggest weakness.

    Also Giovanni Soto could be a low risk/high reward catching candidate now that he’s been non-tendered…. ditto Jair Jurrgens

  104. mick December 1st, 2012 at 11:52 am

    blake…cots has jeter at 3m buyout and the team at about 75 for ’14.

    this is of course w/out cano

  105. 86w183 December 1st, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Georgia’s best win is over Florida. Alabama’s is over LSU. Neither has another win over a team in the top 15 of the BCS.

    It all comes down to Aaron Murray. If he has a positive TD/INT differential Georgia will win. If not, the Tide rolls into the BCS Title Game.

    Either one will beat Notre Dame as the SEC rules the roost once again.

  106. mick December 1st, 2012 at 11:53 am

    yanks are not looking for an expensive multi year guy to put them over the top.

  107. mick December 1st, 2012 at 11:56 am

    that being said, why would they trade young cost controlled prospects for the mike morses of the world?

  108. tomingeorgia December 1st, 2012 at 11:57 am

    mac and phyank,
    Tide favored by 7 last I looked. Dawgs defense MADE the Gators QB look bad. Wonder what Nick in SF thinks. You play what’s on your schedule. Ask Missouri (Ouch)!

  109. blake December 1st, 2012 at 11:57 am

    mick says:
    December 1, 2012 at 11:52 am
    blake…cots has jeter at 3m buyout and the team at about 75 for ’14.

    Cots doesn’t calculate on AAV …which is what matters for the 2014 189 thing

  110. mick December 1st, 2012 at 11:59 am

    with 1 year contracts they should be able to get under the vaunted 189 for 2014 and beyond…

  111. blake December 1st, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Morse would be ok….can’t play defense but he can hit.

    So Bama and Georgia play today to see who gets to blow out the Irish in January….be pulling for the Dawgs but likely will be the tide

  112. pkyankfan69 December 1st, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    86w183 December 1st, 2012 at 11:53 am
    Georgia’s best win is over Florida. Alabama’s is over LSU. Neither has another win over a team in the top 15 of the BCS.
    ———————————————–
    Alabama has also beaten Michigan who was ranked #8 at the time (yes that was way too high but they are still a top 25 team) and Mississippi St who was ranked #11 at the time. Alabama’s 1 loss was a close loss to a red hot Texas A&M team… Georgia’s loss was in blow out fashion to SC.

    Georgia has only played 2 ranked teams all year and got blown out by 1 of them. Georgia’s second biggest win this year is VANDERBILT lol…. Bama’s schedule wasn’t particularly strong compared to a usual SEC schedule but it wasn’t nearly as easy as Georgia’s. Georgia can win this game today but the smart money (not counting spread) is clearly on Bama. I am not a fan of either team btw.

  113. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    trishia

    Sounds like some aren’t doing it for the right reason.

  114. blake December 1st, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    mick says:
    December 1, 2012 at 11:59 am
    with 1 year contracts they should be able to get under the vaunted 189 for 2014 and beyond…

    Sure they can get under….can they get under and be any good though….that’s the 189 million dollar question

  115. mick December 1st, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Ichiro must be looking for a multi-year deal.

  116. Bronx Jeers December 1st, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Why do Trisha’s stories of social indifference remind me of the relationship between Yankee management and fans of the team?

    Isn’t a catching tandem of Stewart/Cervelli just the baseball version of plain-jane apple pie?

    :wink:

  117. blake December 1st, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Whoever wins today will beat Notre Dame by at least 20….mark it down

  118. MaineYankee December 1st, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    blake December 1st, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    Morse would be ok….can’t play defense but he can hit.

    ——————————————————————————–

    Would the plus(offense) outway the minus(defense)?

  119. Ys Guy December 1st, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    39 year old ichiro suzuki is an ok player who is in decline. had everyone been healthy down the stretch, he would have been a platoon OF.

    ichiro may not be able to handle it at this point, but he doesnt rate the yankees or anyone else fawning over him. if he gets an offer from whomever, he should consider it and make whatever decision he thinks is appropriate.

    the yankees are not now at the point of ‘filling out’ the roster (when guys like ichiro become the focus) and are now still working on more important roster spots.

    i like ichiro and all but he’s a guy you sign in mid to late january after all the big moves are made. if he signs somewhere else between now and then, you move on to the next guy on the list.

    good luck ichiro.

  120. mick December 1st, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Sure they can get under….can they get under and be any good though…
    ==================
    just thinking the same thing….if they get andy and kuroda back for around 30m and Mo for 10, thats 40….if some minor leaguers are ready….then the cano factor.

  121. pkyankfan69 December 1st, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    blake December 1st, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Whoever wins today will beat Notre Dame by at least 20….mark it down
    —————————————
    No way… I think The SEC winner will likely beat ND but the style that ND plays will make it very difficult for them to lose big. The mobile QB (Everett Golson) will also give Bama or Georgia trouble… Golson has turned into a really dynamic playmarker. ND is certainly ‘for real’.

  122. Tarheel In NYC December 1st, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Trisha,

    I used to volunteer at a soup kitchen in Charlotte NC. One day, as we were handing out sandwiches and soup, one of the clients said to the volunteer next to me, “Can I have a ham sandwich instead? I don’t like cheese.” She got really snotty with him and said “You’ll take what you’re given” and refused to give him a different sandwich. I was horrified.

    I grabbed a ham sandwich and found him in the dining area and gave it to him.

    The notion that poor people should be satisfied with whatever crumbs and leftovers fall onto the ground is disheartening and shameful. There’s a segment of society that seems to feel that they should be punished for being poor.

  123. DONNYBROOK December 1st, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    You guys selling ND short, is playing right into Coach Kelly’s hands. The Fighting Irish have defeated Stanford, Oklahoma, and Michigan. Their bona fides is there for All to see, but the SEC has stars in their eyes. “Pride goeth before a fall”, and that is precisely what is gonna happen in the National Championship Game.
    Cashman continuing his, “Mouse That Roared” routine is laughable. Lotta pure BS being spewed outta his yap, but that’s his job. He claims the Yanks have the highest payroll in MLB, but come Opening Day, I’m Not sure that is gonna be the case. Anyway, the guy sounds ridiculous to those familiar with what is transpiring in the Bronx.
    I haven’t heard anyone mention free agent Ryan Ludwick as a 1 yr possibility in RF for the Yankees. He does have RF experience, and would fit the Yankee budget restraints.

  124. Ys Guy December 1st, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    anybody can beat anybody in a bowl game because they dont play in game conditions for almost 6 weeks before the ‘big game’.

  125. DONNYBROOK December 1st, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Yea, tell that to the odds makers in Vegas.

  126. 86w183 December 1st, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    I think Notre Dame is very good. I just think the SEC Champion will be better.

    It matters not what teams are ranked at the time of the game, my statement remains completely true in the CURRENT context of what teams have proven to be.

    Michigan is a better win than any other Georgia win, but Mississippi State just got its butt kicked by Ole Miss so spare me that one.

    Morse/Dickerson could be an acceptable OF combo in my opinion. Just don’t know what you have to give up for him. Joba?

  127. 86w183 December 1st, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    time to watch football

    seeya

  128. J. Alfred Prufrock December 1st, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    86w183 December 1st, 2012 at 10:06 am

    I’m in the media business and I read a number of “fan” blogs on the subjects that apply to my area because there is no demographic limit to good ideas, insight or perspective.

    There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the Yanks have people assigned to frequent places like this and perhaps even start discussions at them in order to get some unedited fan feedback.
    ///

    Absolutely agree that there is no doubt. Companies regularly have shills go undercover on internet comments sections to influence consumer thought trends. Brand evangelism is also alive and well; Proctor & Gamble have been doing this sort of thing forever. Does this extend to the world of sports? Of course, it does.

    ///

    Tarheel said:

    “The notion that poor people should be satisfied with whatever crumbs and leftovers fall onto the ground is disheartening and shameful. There’s a segment of society that seems to feel that they should be punished for being poor.”
    ///

    Well said. I’m glad you found that man and gave him his preferred choice of sandwich. Dignity doesn’t have a price; if it does, it isn’t dignity, it’s politics.
    ///

    Well, I am pleased Russell Martin is gone; haven’t been in since. I don’t have to hear that blasphemy any more out of the GM’s mouth that he is some kind of modern-day Thurman Munson. Amen, to that. Also, if they really do stay in-house, that will mean a clearer path for a Sanchez, assuming he isn’t traded (big assumption, I know).

    I do think the Yankees are going to make some kind of deal. They don’t have much of a choice, since they didn’t bite on Melky and it appears – appears – Hamilton isn’t getting done. I would choose the latter, of course, to save the elites on the farm.

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