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Looking for Plan B at C

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 01, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Plan A was clearly Russell Martin. Plan B is not so clear. What are the Yankees options behind the plate now that Martin is heading to Pittsburgh?

Sign A.J. Pierzynski
This option is obvious, isn’t it? Plenty would argue that Pierzynski was a better option that Martin to begin with. He’s coming off a career year offensively — he’d never really come close to last season’s .501 slugging percentage — and he’s a proven veteran behind the plate. He’s also about to turn 36 years old. On a one-year deal, Pierzynski could be a perfect fill-in while the Yankees wait to see whether Austin Romine can rise to the occasion and become a legitimate big league catcher. But coming off that sort of season, will Pierzynski settle for one year, or will he look to cash in with something larger? A clear market for Pierzynski doesn’t seem to have emerged at this point, but right now there’s little indication that the Yankees are interested.

Punt on defense; go with offense
Mike Napoli is the best offensive catcher on the market, but he seems unlikely for two reasons. First, he doesn’t fit the mold. Joe Girardi clearly favors defense in his catchers, and Napoli is not a very good defensive catcher. Second, he’s a potent enough hitter that he isn’t likely to come cheap. Last time the Yankees had a DH who could catch, they shipped him to Seattle. Hard to imagine them reversing course and going after Napoli.

Stick with defense; spend on offense
The Yankees have two big league catchers on their roster. Chris Stewart and Francisco Cervelli have each spent a full year as the Yankees backup. They’ve proven they can handle the pitching staff, but they’ve also proven they can hardly hit. The Yankees could lean on the defensive of those two and spend their Martin money elsewhere. If the Yankees stick with their in-house backups, they could throw more money into right field and designated hitter to help make up for the lost offense.

Give the kid a shot
A variation of the above plan: Instead of giving Stewart and Cervelli a chance to share the load, give the job to Romine. Make it his to lose. When Romine came up for a short stint at the end of 2011, he clearly impressed Girardi, and he might have factored into the big league plans this year had he not hurt his back during spring training. At 24 years old, Romine has only 21 games of Triple-A experience. It’s not an ideal situation for throwing a young guy into the fire, but occasionally situations dictate that player development doesn’t go as planned.

Take what you can get
There are catchers other than Martin/Napoli/Pierzynski on the market. Assuming the Yankees don’t feel comfortable with their in-house options, and don’t want to commit to either Napoli or Pierzynski, they could always grab a secondary veteran free agent. Rod Barajas is out there. So are Miguel Olivo, Kelly Shoppach, Geovany Soto and Yorvit Torrealba. Those names won’t exactly energize the fan base, but they won’t break the bank either. And they won’t stand in the way if Romine proves himself midseason.

Get creative with the trade market
Look around baseball. There’s just not a lot of catching out there, and there’s certainly not a lot of catching that is both readily available and clearly able to make an impact. The top young catchers in the game have been locked into long-term deals, and most teams are too short on catching to actually trade away an everyday guy. But Brian Cashman has pulled off surprises before. Unfortunately for the Yankees, one team that actually has two everyday catchers is Toronto, and I’m not sure the Blue Jays would want to help a team in its division.

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118 Responses to “Looking for Plan B at C”

  1. Ys Guy December 1st, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    so this chief’s player who killed himself jovan belcher was a long island product from west babylon.

    tragic…

  2. Brian Cashman GMGMGM December 1st, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Where have I heard this before?

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  3. Bronx Jeers December 1st, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Whatever happens I just hope Cashman doesn’t give us another (insert crappy catcher A… “is one of the top 50 catchers in baseball”

  4. DONNYBROOK December 1st, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Short of J Upton, and Now that Cashman has alienated the Ichiro Camp, I would take a flyer on 1yr of free agent Ryan Ludwick. He has played RF, and would fit the Yankee budget restraints.

  5. Jerkface December 1st, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    just thinking the same thing….if they get andy and kuroda back for around 30m and Mo for 10, thats 40….if some minor leaguers are ready….then the cano factor.

    That leaves 40 million for 2 starters, the rest of the bullpen, bench, 2B, LF, RF, C, & Potentially CF

  6. Ys Guy December 1st, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    screw ichiro, he doesnt rate being signed before the winter meetings. do you hear raul ibanez’s agent crying about the yankees not rushing to sign him. there is a place and a time for certain free agents and ichrio’s is not for another 5 or 6 weeks.

  7. David in Cal December 1st, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Depressing column. It shows how poor the alternatives to Martin are. Not just for 2013, but for 2014 as well. Martin had the Yanks over a barrel, because of the limited supply of alternatives. The Yanks should have recognized their situation and overpaid to keep him.

  8. mick December 1st, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    That leaves 40 million for 2 starters, the rest of the bullpen, bench, 2B, LF, RF, C, & Potentially CF
    ==========================
    Impossible?

  9. pkyankfan69 December 1st, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Ys Guy December 1st, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    screw ichiro
    ————————–
    You won’t be saying that if Melky Mesa or Scott Hairston turn out to be an everyday OF on the Yanks next year.

  10. mick December 1st, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Pierzynski might be smart to go for a 1 year deal here, bang 30 in the Stadium, then test the FA market in 2014.

  11. DONNYBROOK December 1st, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    I would pass on Pierzynski due to his defense. A bad defensive catcher will absolutely kill you. Yanks merely need a decent defensive catcher, that throws out runners. Offensively, just gimme a catcher that will situational hit. This could easily be Romine.
    RF is the area that should be getting ALL the attention. The Yanks do need some Serious offensive production outta RF.

  12. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    “Impossible?”

    Yes, for a good team.

  13. CountryClub December 1st, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    I wish the media would stop saying that the yanks were outbid for Martin or that he was plan A, etc… That’s pure speculation. They didn’t even make him an offer…even when Martin’s camp made them aware that he was getting ready to leave. It sure doesn’t sound like they wanted him that badly.

  14. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    I am no expert on Pierzynski’s defense, but his dWAR isn’t bad and his % of runners thrown out is about average.

    My preference is now for a good RF bat, but failing that, they need some offense from the catcher.

  15. tucker December 1st, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    AJ won’t take a one-year deal. Doubt he can perform better than he did last season. He’ll leverage that as much as possible.

  16. Jerkface December 1st, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Not impossible, but improbable. You will also have 2 40 year olds in the rotation in prominent spots which is iffy. I forgot to list dh as well. Filling 17 spots at that amount and attempting to win is hard without some awesome minor leaguers. Have to leave room for incentive based contracts too, like jeter if he exercises his option. And if jeter doesn’t exercise his option you have 45 mill to fill 18 spots including ss.

  17. tucker December 1st, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    So 189 pretty much guarantees this is Mo’s last season, no?

  18. jacksquat December 1st, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    You guys are talking about if Kuroda, Pettitte and Mo all return in 2014? I think it’s unlikely for all of them.

  19. tucker December 1st, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    The Cashman rhetoric from atop the building certainly seems like he is recasting expectations. That was not exactly a World Series-or-bust session offered to reporters.

  20. Ghostwriter December 1st, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    If the Yanks decide to give Romine a shot, I hope that they bring in somebody to work with him, and to continue his development. The thing that I found most disconcerting about Cervelli’s time in pinstripes was his regression as a defensive backstop. This regression suggested to me a management failure on Girardi’s (and Tony Pena’s) part. Somebody has to work with the young players when they come up, and it seems pretty clear to me that whatever Girardi and Pena were doing with Cervy wasn’t working. In truth, we’ve got a mature, quality pitching staff, and I think that this gives the Yanks some latitude in going with a young backstop.

  21. tucker December 1st, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    I doubt that Kuroda or Pettite return either. Think this is the last season we see them in pinstripes.

    Barring trades, get ready for this 2014 rotation: Cc, Pineda, Nova, Freddy Garcia-type, Phelps.

  22. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    The Yankees are definitely revising expectations from championship to competitive. I am hoping for competitive. Just no season when they are out of it in June, please. Such a season is just no fun.

  23. Madrugador December 1st, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Money, Money, Money. It’s all about the money. The Yanks aren’t spending as much any more. I am going to accept that and move on. No, I really don’t think the Yanks can win the East next season but I hope they are competitive. I do expect to start seeing some of the talent they have been touting in their Minor League system. Some of them will succeed and some will fail but it will all be entertaining.
    All this anguish about $189M, Arod and Cano’s financial impact on the team and who will pitch in 2014 is unproductive.

  24. G. Love December 1st, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    I love that Chad can say, “Joe Girardi clearly favors defense in his catchers”, but when posters in here say the same thing we get harangued for criticizing the poor manager and not knowing anything about the Yankees.

  25. tomingeorgia December 1st, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    This story out of KC is bone-chilling. Seeing people getting killed is bad enough. Watching a suicide and being able to process it is an entirely different matter for all but the soul-dead.

  26. tucker December 1st, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Money, money money is right.

    But what I would like to see is a hard analysis of money saved vs money lost.

    The Yanks will save with a lower payroll (189), no luxury tax and more revenue sharing.

    Will that amount of money saved be more than money lost through lower ticket sales, merchandise sales and lower ratings.

    From a pure economic argument, I’m not convinced the Hal Stein approach will work. I’d like to see his spreadsheets.

  27. RhapsodyInBlue December 1st, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Robbie Robertson on suicide “A permanant solution to a temorary problem”.

  28. RhapsodyInBlue December 1st, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    *Temporary*

  29. Madrugador December 1st, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Workin’ on my own spreadsheets at the moment but I can’t show you and I know Hal won’t be sharing his either. Clearly, the Yankee organization has made some assumptions, done its calculations and charted their course towards $189M. It may not work out for them as you suggest Tucker, we’ll see. I hope its still fun along the way.

  30. RhapsodyInBlue December 1st, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    *permanent*

    If there is anyone who needs spell check more than GB7 it’s me.

  31. Locke December 1st, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Love this picture of Cervelli

  32. Madrugador December 1st, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Life is not fair but it is fairer than death. Suicide is rarely the solution.

  33. RhapsodyInBlue December 1st, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    According to recent articles from the NY Post Ichiro is talking with other teams, getting impatient.

    Tend to think Cashman views him as an alternate plan if nothing else dvelopes.

    And also that he would like to wait at least until after the meetings. Just my opinion.

  34. blake December 1st, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    “Plan A was clearly Russell Martin”

    I really don’t think so….if it was they wouldn’t have let him leave for a 2/17 deal

  35. RhapsodyInBlue December 1st, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Madrugador.

    Agreed. Visited the cemetery and Mom’s grave last week, Gee it’s awful cold and lonely out there.

  36. Hassey December 1st, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    I guess this offseason is testing our mettle also…our ability to accept the fact that the Yankees simply can’t have an all-star caliber player at every position every season…or even a good player at every position. Teams can still win, and we’ll see what lies ahead in our two bridge years…it’s unfortunate though that the Core Three will sail off sometime during the bridge years no matter what they bring

  37. RhapsodyInBlue December 1st, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    It’s early, not like we’re facing the 2013 trade deadline.

  38. blake December 1st, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    The Yanks have about 89 million to spend on 2014 (not counting arbitration players)…but we are talking about multiple positions ….multiple spots in the rotation that’d need to be filled etc …..

    If they sign Cano that number changes to around 65…..if they sign Hughes it’s probably close to 55-58…..

    now if Pineda and Nova and Phelps and Montgomery and Hearhcott and Austin and Banuelos etc are all ready to contribute by 2014 then it’s possible they can do it and be competitive……but they’ll be relying on a lot of in house guys and won have hardly any wiggle room if guys don’t pan pan out or get hurt…..and that’s only if guys like Tex and Arod don’t fall further off the cliff

  39. Ys Guy December 1st, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    the ichiro and martin situations tell me that cashman has got irons in the fire for the winter meetings. dan duquette was on wfan this morning and he said the word around is that gm’s are all looking to fix their rosters through trades first, then fa signings where they have holes after. i think this explains the yankees situation and it actually makes me happy that they didn’t just sign these guys and lock themselves into bringing back basically the exact same team as last year.

    theres nothing wrong with martin and there’s nothing wrong with ichiro but neither guy rates locking up the roster just to bring them back,imo.

  40. Hassey December 1st, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    is it too early to start positioning ourselves for the 2013 LoHud awards?

  41. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Tucker,

    I have always said the team risks more income by losing than they can save. The team must not believe income will markedly decline. It will, in my opinion, significantly if the team is uninteresting and losing. It always does.

  42. mick December 1st, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    It might be impossible if they bring back Cano which seems unlikely.
    Maybe all this clearing of salary will allow them to bring him back and hope some minor leaguers come thru in the OF.

  43. blake December 1st, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    I think there could be a lot of trades at the meetings….the FA market is very weak and there are a whole lot of teams that want to win and are close to winning …..could be a fun few days

  44. Hassey December 1st, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    The mindset and the conomy of the city, and the state of baseball, is much different thatn it was when the Mets dominated (NYC and MLB) in the mid 80s.

    The Yankees would likely be on the brink of losing ALOT more money if the Mets had been able to put it all back together coming into this post-Core-Three period.

  45. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    All free agents this year come with questions, and I believe that’s the reason trading is the first option. The consensus seems to be others have much more to trade so I don’t know how much success we can have.

    I don’t want to trade good prospects for any temporary fix. I’d rather struggle.

  46. mick December 1st, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    now if Pineda and Nova and Phelps and Montgomery and Hearhcott and Austin and Banuelos etc are all ready to contribute by 2014 then it’s possible they can do it and be competitive
    ==========================
    Maybe Hal is just smarter than all of us and is planning for the future by rebuilding a core?
    People in here were never known for their foresightedness.

  47. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Rhapsody,

    Those are hard visits which I have had to make for far too many. Your Mom is glad you went.

  48. blake December 1st, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    mick says:
    December 1, 2012 at 2:11 pm
    It might be impossible if they bring back Cano which seems unlikely.

    It’s not impossible but it might be a bad idea if he wants 200 million

  49. blake December 1st, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    “Maybe Hal is just smarter than all of us and is planning for the future by rebuilding a core?
    People in here were never known for their foresightedness.”

    Hal is playing a dangerous game if he things all those guys will pan out…..

  50. austinmac December 1st, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    So Mick you think Hal is that good a talent evaluator. Who knew? And all the while he says he is a numbers guy.

  51. blake December 1st, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    @jonmorosi: Yes, this means I listen to every offer for Chase Headley if I’m Padres. When could his value/demand point be any higher?

    It never will be….that’s one issue….you’d be buying him at his highest price

  52. mick December 1st, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    It’s not impossible but it might be a bad idea if he wants 200 million
    =======================================
    kind of goes against their current philosophy.
    i can see them not signing him.
    double edged sword.

  53. Hassey December 1st, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Blake – The only way it’s humanly possible for you to be on here this often is if you are an expert typist with your left thumb and an expert molar driller with only your right hand. Or did I get the hands reversed?

  54. mick December 1st, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Hal is going with what he was provided in the minors.
    He knows nothing about baseball like most owners, even his Dad.

  55. Out Pitch December 1st, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Pierzynski is according to one survey, the “most hated player in baseball.”

    http://content.usatoday.com/co.....LpU1qUaX3M

    I don’t see how the Yankees are going to dominate their division in the immediate future either. They seem unwilling to spend what is necessary to obtain the best players and overall their farm system, though highly touted, is also considered highly over-rated.

  56. mick December 1st, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Hal is playing a dangerous game if he things all those guys will pan out…..
    ===================
    They don’t all have to pan out.
    Plus, the Yanks will spend again once this period is over.

  57. Hassey December 1st, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    If the very people who rate the Yankees’ farm system now consider it over rated, than shouldn’t it be rated lower in the first place? Or something like that? Chicken or Egg?

  58. mick December 1st, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Where George was impulsive and would spend whatever it took, Hal seems to be the opposite and will let people walk.

  59. blake December 1st, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    “Blake – The only way it’s humanly possible for you to be on here this often is if you are an expert typist with your left thumb and an expert molar driller with only your right hand. Or did I get the hands reversed?”

    I’m right handed….I’ve never confirmed or denied what I do with my days ;)

  60. Hassey December 1st, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    are you the Dentist from Marathon Man? Is it safe?

  61. jacksquat December 1st, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    I would not assume the Yankees are going to go back to 30+ mil over the CBT limit.

  62. blake December 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    “They don’t all have to pan out.
    Plus, the Yanks will spend again once this period is over.”

    I’m not convinced that’s true

  63. Hassey December 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    is Jacksquat a noun or a verb?

  64. blake December 1st, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    jacksquat says:
    December 1, 2012 at 2:25 pm
    I would not assume the Yankees are going to go back to 30+ mil over the CBT limit.

    Me neither….they started trying to trim payro before the new CBA so I expect them to keep it between 185-195 million to be honest

  65. jacksquat December 1st, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Hassey December 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    is Jacksquat a noun or a verb?

    It’s a name, so it is a proper noun.

  66. blake December 1st, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Fantasy trade alert:

    Yankees get : Justin Upton
    Indians get : Tyler Austin, Romine, Nunez , and Nova
    Dbacks get: Asdrubal Cabrera and a reliever from the Indians

    Yanks then trade Granderson or Gardner to the Braves for Nick Ahmed and Randall Delgado

  67. blake December 1st, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Then sign AJ to a one year deal

  68. Against All Odds December 1st, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    blake December 1st, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    “Maybe Hal is just smarter than all of us and is planning for the future by rebuilding a core?
    People in here were never known for their foresightedness.”

    Hal is playing a dangerous game if he things all those guys will pan out…..

    ————————–

    Remember when he threw the gauntlet down to the Bs. I think he seriously believes those guys will make it and it will be business as usual.

  69. Against All Odds December 1st, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    mick December 1st, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Hal is playing a dangerous game if he things all those guys will pan out…..
    ===================
    They don’t all have to pan out.
    Plus, the Yanks will spend again once this period is over.

    ————————————–

    Why would they?

  70. blake December 1st, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Hal probably didn’t even know who the killer bs were…

  71. Against All Odds December 1st, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    blake December 1st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
    Hal probably didn’t even know who the killer bs were…

    ———————

    Lol he probably just saw the stats and then was told these guys are the next wave of studs.
    We’ll be able to compete and still keep the payroll down.

  72. randy l. December 1st, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Tar December 1st, 2012 at 11:25 am
    Randy

    If you have a minute Iwould like to hear your take on the catching situation. Is Romine ready? Who should they go after etc? Thanks

    …………..

    tar,

    given the lousy hand the yankees have played their way into after being very deep at catcher, i’d say they should simply give cervelli the starting job with stewart the back up. start romine at triple a to see if his back can handle regular playing . if it can have him ready to spell either cervelli or stewart.

    with the money saved at the catcher position, get some offense at either third base or right field.

    if they aren’t going to use cervelli , what was the investment in developing him all these years about?

    at some point the yankees need to benefit from the experience these young guys have gotten in the yankee system.

    if they have no value to management, what does that say about the decision to spend resources and time developing these guys?

    something isn’t right if cervelli can’t step in at this point and catch.

  73. blake December 1st, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    “something isn’t right if cervelli can’t step in at this point and catch.”

    Yes.. Something isn’t right ;)

  74. Ys Guy December 1st, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    i think cervelli/stewart would actually be fine at C if they are going to add a good hitter at RF or 3B. in terms of spending for resources, it beats shelling out $9M for martin.

    hearing that they are pushing ichiro off is encouraging imo, as they must be thinking of bigger fish in RF.

  75. blake December 1st, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Who is the BUC in this Cervelli/ Stewie combo? The guy that can’t catch or the guy that can’t hit……

  76. Ys Guy December 1st, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    i dont think you have to designate a buc (and certainly not in december when you have ST to work that out) but my guess is that joe would go with stewart more often than cervelli.

  77. randy l. December 1st, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    blake-

    i personally can’t stand cervelli’s rah rah style, but why do you say he can’t catch?

  78. Ys Guy December 1st, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    the yankees won the WS with ricky ledee and chad curtis splitting an OF corner. i dont think the C situation will sink them if they use the saved marin money to bulk up RF.

  79. blake December 1st, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    “i personally can’t stand cervelli’s rah rah style, but why do you say he can’t catch?”

    He is all over the place back there….spoke volumes that the Yanks didn’t keep him as the back up last year….I doubt the pitchers like throwing to him and he doesn’t throw great either…..he’d be fine if he hit like Posada…..but he doesn’t.

  80. blake December 1st, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    December 1, 2012 at 3:04 pm
    the yankees won the WS with ricky ledee and chad curtis splitting an OF corner. i dont think the C situation will sink them if they use the saved marin money to bulk up RF.

    Yea I don’t necessarily disagree….I think Id just give Romine a shot though if they are essentially going to punt catcher cause he has more upside and might actually get better

  81. blake December 1st, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    “Arencibia, 26, is the most likely to be moved – and the Jays previously have talked about him in trades for pitchers such as Tampa Bay Rays right-hander Wade Davis and New York Mets left-hander Jon Niese, major-league sources say.

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Latest on whether #BlueJays will trade a catcher – and add a starting pitcher. Story: http://t.co/MqsWUmay

    Sucks that the Jays won’t trade with the yanks….

  82. CompassRosy December 1st, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    MTU said…

    “I really like the idea of getting John Jaso from the M’s to pair with Romine.
    They have several catchers and Jaso should be expendable….”

    “They have plenty of needs and Jaso is not a part of their longterm plans from what i can tell.”

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    MTU ~

    I think Jaso is far from expendable and would be very surprised to see him dealt because…

    - he knows the M’s pitchers
    - he’s clutch (I believe he had 9 GWH last season)
    - he’s one of the few that hits decently at Safeco Field
    - considering their R/L splits, he’s pretty much the perfect platoon w/Montero (granted, they both need to learn how to DH)

    The M’s don’t have “several” catchers…
    - Olivo is gone
    - Zunino, though moving up fast, is likely a year away

    I would agree that Jaso is not in the M’s long term plans but, he seems like the perfect short term option (while Zunino develops) given his affordability and his match for platooning with Montero.

  83. luis December 1st, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Good afternoon everyone,

    Randy,

    It’s good to see you around. About Cervelli, at some point he lost his arm accuracy. And he moves to much behind the plate. But I rather see him there than Martin :D

    I would give Romine the shot in ST. This may not happen, but that’s the way I would go.

    GLove,

    Spot on ;)

  84. theREALkevin December 1st, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    “Last time the Yankees had a DH who could catch,”

    Hey beat writer, less opinions, more facts, k?

  85. randy l. December 1st, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    blake-

    i’d be in an odd position defending cervelli because as i said i really don’t like his approach to the game.

    he’s caught a lot of important innings with the yankees, and they’ve won with him at times.

    if the yankees really don’t want to keep him and feel the way you do, why not start him and when he gets into a good streak and looks valuable, trade him at a high water mark for something of value.

    just letting him rot on the vine seems a waste to me.

  86. luis December 1st, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    By the way,

    It’s good to see some of the old guard back.

  87. randy l. December 1st, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    luis-

    i thought cervelli had to be sent down last spring because his throwing was so bad, but i checked the other day and i saw he threw out 30% of runners at scranton.

    that’s pretty good or at least good enough. pretty sure better than martin last year.

  88. Ys Guy December 1st, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    hey if romine can come in and take the spot, great! im pretty sure the development plan would include more time at aaa but if he can hack it, great, bring him on, i’m not married to stewart & cervelli. my point was just that if those two ended up being the catching tandem it would work out fine assuming they put the money that would have gone to martin into upgrading RF or 3B or somewhere else.

    and chad, don’t listen to him, one thing this blog needs is alot more opinion, some humor and some personality. im glad to see you opening up a little more this winter.

  89. blake December 1st, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    @jnorris427: In his article for the NYT, Jorge Arangure brings up an interesting trade idea for #Yankees: Carlos Santana.

  90. LordD99 December 1st, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Yankee fans are still spoiled by the memory of Jorge Posada’s bat, seemingly believing it’ll be easy to replace. There were dark years between Munson and Posada, and the team is now in those dark years again. Martin was actually an acceptable catcher. Now the team will be worse, all for a few million dollars.

    Chad summed it up nicely: The top young catchers in the game have been locked into long-term deals, and most teams are too short on catching to actually trade away an everyday guy.

    Yup. That’s why an injury-prone scrub like Dioner Navarro can sign for nearly $2M dollars. Martin is not a scrub. Even in an off year he’s still good for 20 HRs, he’s durable, he has a good walk percentage, he grinds out ABs, helping the Yankees get to the bullpen, and he’s a good receiver. If you believe the pitch-framing studies, he’s worth an extra two wins a years just on that alone. Overall, the Yankees are down anywhere from two to four wins by letting Martin for a few million bucks. And if you didn’t like Martin’s ABs, wait until you get a season full of Stewart and Cervelli. Less power, less walks, less catching ability and less wins, which last year means the Yankees would have missed the playoffs entirely. Money unwisely not spent.

  91. blake December 1st, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    “just letting him rot on the vine seems a waste to me.”

    Agree there….my guess is he doesn’t have much trade value and they see him as depth

  92. LGY December 1st, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    the yankees won the WS with ricky ledee and chad curtis splitting an OF corner. i dont think the C situation will sink them if they use the saved marin money to bulk up RF.

    ———–

    The Yankees Torre Years run was in a less competitive environment and with a team that had several in their prime AS caliber and even HOF caliber players.

    This team has Cano. They really can’t afford to cut corners.

  93. JEKIKASO December 1st, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    blake December 1st, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    @jnorris427: In his article for the NYT, Jorge Arangure brings up an interesting trade idea for #Yankees: Carlos Santana

    Blake,
    Do you have a link to the article. Can’t seem to find it. Must be a senior moment,lol

  94. blake December 1st, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    “Yankee fans are still spoiled by the memory of Jorge Posada’s bat”

    HOFer

  95. LordD99 December 1st, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Blake, Carlos Santana is on my wish list. He’s young, he’s a switch hitter, good walk rates and power. He’s not a great defender. Basically, though, he’s Jorge Posada, although I fear is defensive abilities might even be lower than Posada’s was at his peak, although better than Jorge was at the end. He’s also on a nice, affordable contract. That means two things. He’d be great to have, but he’ll be costly prospect wise. Love to see him in the Bronx, though, if the price is right.

  96. blake December 1st, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    “Blake,
    Do you have a link to the article. Can’t seem to find it. Must be a senior moment,lol”

    Sorry I don’t … Wasn’t in the tweet

  97. tucker December 1st, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Mac, no doubt that revenue is at risk with this approach.

    Thing is, with a little better planning, they could have avoided a had landing in 2014. It would have required spending on MLB-ready international free agents like Cespedes and Chapman, but it could have been done.

    Now, it appears the team’s approach is to patch over 2014 with 1-year contracts and fool the fanbase with veteran players who are past their prime.

  98. blake December 1st, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    I agree Santana would be great…..I do wonder though if if they are gonna trade a lot to get a player if it wouldn’t be better to use it on a big time outfielder ….given that they do have some hope in Sanchez

  99. blake December 1st, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Jek,

    Here is that link
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12.....-deal.html

  100. blake December 1st, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    @jonmorosi: Sources: #Cubs to discuss Alfonso Soriano trade at winter meetings; #Phillies possible suitor. Story w/ @Ken_Rosenthal: http://t.co/9LJvKlMJ

  101. JEKIKASO December 1st, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    At the risk of getting booed and hissed, why not develop some of our youngsters instead of trading them all the time? would help w team salary. personally i would like to see Yanks play some small ball also. i think we all saw what happened to power hitters in post season against better pitching,with a few exceptions….thoughts?

  102. JEKIKASO December 1st, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    thanks Blake

  103. LordD99 December 1st, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Blake, right. Here’s the balancing the Yankees I think are trying to pull off, although they’re not going to come out and tell us.

    They recognize the team’s center is aging. It really is amazing that the core of Jeter, Mo and Pettitte are still with the team, and that they’re still contributing at a high level. Yet we know that’s going to end, and they know it’s going to end very soon, with Mo and Andy retiring after this upcoming season (although, really, I don’t even know if Andy know’s what he’ll do next year), and Jeter heading into his age-40 season in 2014. That means that have to rebuild, but I think Cashman is trying to remain competitive (read that as fielding a contending team, but not necessarily a team that will win the division), waiting for some of the money to come off the books, while some percentage of the Heathcott’s, Austin’s, Sanchez, Williams, Banuelos, Campos, Hensley’s work their way up to the big club starting in about two seasons. Not all will make it. Some will be traded, some will just not quite pan out, but clearly they’re hoping for probably at least two to three position players and two pitchers to come forward, who can help the team at low cost.

    This will give an influx of cheaper talent. At the same time, they’re resetting the luxury tax to zero so they can then go out and sign some bigger free agents again. Yet there’s a two year bridge in 2013 and 2014 before the team starts seeing the younger players and probably the next crop of bigger free agent signings coming in. Cashman is trying to manage a soft landing instead of a crash, but if the Martin situation is any indication, it’s not going to be easy. Just my two cents.

  104. blake December 1st, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    “At the risk of getting booed and hissed, why not develop some of our youngsters instead of trading them all the time”

    Well I think they have to do that going forward but at the same time you have to have balance and be able to take excesses in some areas to fill needs in others

  105. blake December 1st, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Lord,

    Good post and I agree that’s what they should be doing ….I just need to know they have a solid plan to transition the club…..if they are positioning the club to get younger and cheaper so they can jump back in full speed in 2015 then ok……right now I’m undecided on the direction it’s heading

  106. JEKIKASO December 1st, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    I AM HOPING THEY ARE TRYING TO IMPROVE DEVELOPMENT OF YOUNG GUYS. That would explain the numerous changes in personal @ minor league levels. Especially in the pitching depertment.

  107. JEKIKASO December 1st, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    They recognize the team’s center is aging. It really is amazing that the core of Jeter, Mo and Pettitte are still with the team, and that they’re still contributing at a high level. Yet we know that’s going to end, and they know it’s going to end very soon, with Mo and Andy retiring after this upcoming

    Gooid post,Lord. agree with both you and Blake on this

  108. JEKIKASO December 1st, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    good,sorry

  109. LordD99 December 1st, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Blake, yup. I agree with all my words too because they’re mine, yet that means they’re just a guess! Hal Steinbrenner strikes me as someone who likes planning and building a roadmap. All the things we see with an aging club they certainly see and I’m sure all the discussions they have that we don’t ever hear are around basically how can the club remain competitive to keep generating revenue, while at the same time building for the future. I’m sure they have a plan.

    I would quite fine if they came out and said sort of what I just did, but history says they won’t ever be that direct, although Cashman will leak things. It was clear after 2007, by his words, that the Yankees were going to take a step back in 2008 with a plan toward 2009. That’s exactly what they did and Cashman did basically signal that to the market. I think they’re doing that again, except this rebuild is not a one-year thing, it’s going to take several. I hope I’m right, because if I’m wrong, then it means that the Hal Steinbrenner Yankees are simply trying to pocket as much money as possible without funneling it back into the team. If so, he might want to go back and look at how his father built the Yankees into the financial monster it became: reinvesting all profits right back into the on-field product.

  110. LordD99 December 1st, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    JEKIKASO, I’ve wondered about that, too. If you’re in Cashman’s shoes, you’d have to sit back and wonder why some of my pitching prospects haven’t quite hit the heights projected, and why are many of my pitching prospects getting injured! It could just be bad luck since there is some randomness at play, but he can’t assume that, so he’s making changes. I’m happy they brought in Gil Patterson to oversee the minor league pitchers. He has a great reputation throughout the and is coming over form the A’s, who do an excellent job with their young pitchers.

    It sounds contradictory, but Patterson will probably move the Yankee pitchers quicker than his predecessor. That’s been his reputation, preferring they live right on the edge, believing they learn more. More important, since the blew his arm out when he was a Yankee prospect (he still may have had the best arm of any Yankee prospect in the last 35 years), he is very mindful of developing the proper pitching mechanics. Be interested to see what he can do with the Yankees #1 pick this year, Ty Hensley. It’s always good to have hope!

  111. blake December 1st, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    ” I think they’re doing that again, except this rebuild is not a one-year thing, it’s going to take several. I hope I’m right, because if I’m wrong, then it means that the Hal Steinbrenner Yankees are simply trying to pocket as much money as possible without funneling it back into the team. ”

    Yes….. I hope it’s the former and if so I’m cool with it….. I just want to be sure it’s not the latter

  112. blake December 1st, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    I really liked the Patterson move and hope it starts paying off soon

  113. blake December 1st, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Cubs in agreement with Japanese closer Kyuji Fujikawa. Rival executives involved in bidding had expected him to go to #Angels.

  114. Jerkface December 1st, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    Fujikawa no :(

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