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Hello from Nashville

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 02, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Hello from the entirely other planet that is the Opryland Hotel. I’m about to meet an old friend for dinner — she was actually my date to my first or second high school dance, been a great friend of mine for a very long time — and I’m trying to decide whether to eat near the river, next to the water fall or in the jungle. All of which are legitimate locations inside this hotel.

Some of the Yankees group has already arrived, but Brian Cashman won’t fly into town until tomorrow. He’s climbing down a building tonight. You know, just another one of those Sundays when your GM dresses like an elf and goes rappelling.

A few names to keep in mind as we prepare for tomorrow’s opening of the Winter Meetings:

Eric Chavez
The third baseman’s agent says Chavez wants to play again, and obviously the Yankees could use a backup third baseman who can hit right-handers. If they can’t find one guy to backup at third and short, could the combination of Chavez and Eduardo Nunez do the job? Is the Yankees need for a third baseman too great to risk another year of injury-prone Chavez?

Nate Schierholtz
The left-swinging outfielder has been non-tendered by the Phillies, and Buster Olney says the Yankees are in the mix. Schierholtz alone won’t solve the right field situation — the past few years he’s hit right-handers, but hasn’t hit lefties at all — but he could be a significant part of a platoon.

Stephen Drew
This isn’t the first time the Yankees have been linked to Drew as solution to their infield depth problem. Of course, Drew is a shortstop, not a utility man. He’s never played another position in the big leagues, so his role in New York might be as a fairly high-profile backup/insurance plan behind Derek Jeter.

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280 Responses to “Hello from Nashville”

  1. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    You got your cowboy boots and rhinestone jacket in Chad?

  2. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Have a great time Chad.

    Go look Blake up. He’ll show you around.

    I think the things you mentioned in your intro to this post are backburner items.

    At least I hope so. they are not significant IMO.

    ;)

  3. Nick in SF December 2nd, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    re-post:

    I’m kind of suspicious that the M’s would go with Jaso and Montero as their only catchers as well — they seem to have PARTED WAYS with Olivo — so I do wonder what their plan is. Were they really contemplating Russ Martin or was that an unfounded rumor? Do they think Zamboni might come up during the season, like Buster Posey did in 2010? What is really going on behind the plate in Seattle????

    extra non-re-post:

    Because we can give them a replacement catcher…

    Who? This replacement catcher would probably be their primary catcher, remember. Do we have an extra catcher that’s good enough to be Seattle’s primary catcher?

  4. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Maybe you can find it on your hotel tv:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvqsWgtzIVw

  5. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Nick-

    Yes. His name is Francisco Cervelli.

    May as well have 2 ex-yankee Catchers.

  6. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    I think we only have around 75ish days until spring training starts.

    Also, I like that there are some posters here that got temporarily banned from other blogs lol. What’s up oak? Welcome!

    I like the idea of LoHud being the Australia of Yankee blogs. We are a lawless people.

  7. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Shame-

    Not everybody in Aussie is Crocodile Dundee.

    Parts of the place are actually cosmopolitan and quite civilized.

    :)

  8. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    I didn’t think we had a starting catcher lol, how can we give the M’s one??

    PS – Watching Extreme Cougar Wives right now. I’m pretty sure this show is fake.. but I can’t figure out why producers would cast gay men to play the guys involves in these relationships.

  9. Ys Guy December 2nd, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    i think the yankees go into these meetings thinking about much bigger fish than eric chavez, nate shierholz, ichiro suzuki, and stephen drew. the idea at the meetings is to do bettter than these marginal players.

    after the meetings, if you still need a starting OF or a 1/2 time 2b, you come back to chavez and ichiro and if you’re looking for backups you start in on drew and shierholz.

  10. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Shame-

    Are we considering making Cervelli OUR primary catcher this season.

    ;)

  11. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    edit: aren’t

  12. Ys Guy December 2nd, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    sorry 1/2 time 3baseman..not 2bman

  13. Nick in SF December 2nd, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    Well, I like Jaso and, even though I’m the last remaining charter member of the Positive Friends of Franciso, I would be okay with saying goodbye to Cervelli…. but what about his recent history says “primary catcher worth giving up our top 2012 bat” to Jack Z?

  14. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    Thank you Y’s.

    It’s nice to have some support around here.

    :)

  15. Ys Guy December 2nd, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    shame if i want to see extreme cougar wives, i go to the local jazz bar…

  16. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    Gammons

    What do you think the Yankees will do at catcher?

    I don’t know. I think that they’ll probably look around and see who’s out there. I just don’t see them spending the money on Pierzynski. As much as I think he’d be really good in New York, hitting home runs and handling that pitching staff, I think it’s going to cost too much money on a two-year deal.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....z3b47WQ.99

  17. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    That’s what they try to portray in the tourism ads, MTU, to hide the seedy underbelly ;)

    (I’m already descended from the lawless but if I weren’t, I’d want to be Australian so I could be.)

  18. Chip December 2nd, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    Trade:

    Gardner, Nunez, Warren to the Twins for Morneau and Willingham

    Sign:
    Schierholtz, Drew, Scott Hairston, Chavez

    Lineup
    Jeter
    Granderson
    Tex
    Cano
    Alex
    Morneau
    Willingham
    Schierholtz/Hairston platoon
    Romine

  19. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    I think we’re just going to have ALL our backups form something like this: http://images3.wikia.nocookie......gazord.jpg

  20. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Nick-

    The fact that he gets several other players along with him.

    That’s what.

    Who ?

    Maybe Nunez, or maybe Adams.

    Does he need a reliever ? we’ve got a few of those to spare.

    How bout a really good OF prospect ?

    Need a near ML SP ? Got one.

    Think he might see it our way ? I think he might. I think ole Brian should find out.

    We’re filling several of his needs at once and not really hurting ourselves.

  21. tomingeorgia December 2nd, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Mister MTU,
    I kind of like that agave juice myself.

  22. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Shame-

    Sorry to burst you bubble but I’ve been there.

    If you want lawless try somewhere like Somalia, or the border regions of Afganistan.

    :)

  23. tomingeorgia December 2nd, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Or Atlanta.

  24. Ys Guy December 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    my ex wife is australian (from sydney). the most lawless she gets is turning w/o using her directional…

  25. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    mister Tom-

    I believe Shame was looking for soemthing outside of our territorial borders.

    :)

  26. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    “Gardner, Nunez, Warren to the Twins for Morneau and Willingham”

    I don’t think they’d do that

  27. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    And Nick-

    There is a huge difference between a guy like Felix and a guy like Jaso.

    Just in case that’s what you meant.

    Case could be made that Z should be trading the King.

    But holding him is a little bit more understandable as he is a superstar.

  28. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    YS…lawlessness is still in her blood! I’d be careful if I were you ;)

  29. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Jon Morosi ?@jonmorosi
    In response to story about Dexter Fowler-Homer Bailey trade fit, some Reds fans saying “NOOOO!” and others “YEEEESSSS!” #ProbablyFair

  30. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Come to think of it.. we could use some Australian Yankees…

  31. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    DKnobler ?@DKnobler
    Rangers super-prospect Jurickson Profar developed sore elbow in winter ball. Not thought serious, but will get checked http://cbsprt.co/UjnTOw

  32. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    Why would the Rockies trade Fowler for a pitcher who has only had one full season healthy? Of course they are the Rockies……

  33. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS
    Interesting schuerholz said not to count out #braves on greinke. atl may be best locale. would still be shock due to $

  34. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Blake-

    Because they are pretty desperate for Pitching ?

    Could that be the right answer ?

    ;)

  35. Ys Guy December 2nd, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    shame….i did say EX wife….!
    she lives in LA so im probably safe.

  36. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    Via Stark:

    Who’s most likely to get traded?
    Who’s the best bet to get traded during the winter meetings? We posed that question and got this response (with some panelists picking multiple players):

    James Shields 5
    Asdrubal Cabrera 4
    Shin-Soo Choo 2
    Luke Hochevar 2
    R.A. Dickey, Elvis Andrus, Michael Morse, Josh Willingham, Jed Lowrie, Bruce Chen, Andrew Bailey 1 apiece

  37. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    The Diamondbacks, Rays and A’s have all been connected to Cabrera this winter. And given that the Indians want young, high-upside pitching back, all those teams are excellent fits. But the price might actually be so high that, as one NL exec said: “In the end, he ain’t going anywhere. I know what they’re looking for. And if the price stays the same, I can’t imagine he’ll get traded.”

  38. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    I think the Yanks need three things: An Australian, Kanye West, and a Molina.

  39. Barry December 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    If you are at Opry Land, this is a fabulous place. My wife and I spent a fair amount of time there during the heyday of The Nashville Network.

  40. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    “Because they are pretty desperate for Pitching ?”

    Sure but Id think they could get a better pitcher

  41. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Cashman needs to see if a deal could be worked out sending Asdrubal to the Dbacks and Upton to NY

  42. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Not sure if Yanks have the pitching the Indians might be looking for to get Cabrera out of Cleveland – even if it is a three-way trade – - – -

  43. Nick in SF December 2nd, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    MTU, I’m not at all suggesting that the M’s would consider Jaso on any level close to their iconic pitcher, but he OPS’d over a 100 points better than the next guy — is this Cervelli/Nunez-or-Adams package really replacing that? I doubt it.

    I am curious what they’re going to do for catching, though. Jaso had the fewest ABs at Catcher of the trio, and #1 is gone. Are they going to make Jaso their primary catcher until Zumento is ready? Seems unlikely because they would want to have Jaso and Montero’s bats in the lineup pretty often. They need another catcher. Or two if they move one of Montero and Jaso.

    Anyway, this is probably too much speculation about their situation and about a trade that is highly unlikely to happen.

  44. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Blake-

    Fowler isn’t Willie Mays either.

    When Bailey is right he is quite good.

    As you say it’s a matter of his health.

    He and Hughes were neck and neck for best young Pitching prospects in baseball at one time.

  45. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    What are you guys arguing about now?

  46. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    I feel like my acquisitions might be easier to come by than ALL the other plans we’ve laid out.

    I wonder what Kanye’s OBP would be…

  47. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    “Not sure if Yanks have the pitching the Indians might be looking for to get Cabrera out of Cleveland – even if it is a three-way trade – – – -”

    Depends on probably if they’d have to have guys close to the bigs…..Campos is high upisde….so is Banuelos even though he’s hurt…..also you might could get towers to pitch in on the pitching if you gave him something else he wanted…..tough to say

  48. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    What are you guys arguing about now?

    *****

    I think it might be the rumor of Homer Bailey for Dexter Fowler – and whether Bailey is a good enough piece to get Fowler given his health history and having only one healthy season to date – - – -

  49. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Maybe Nick.

    But I still like the idea and believe it’s doable.

    A jaso-romine platoon would be awesome.

    Has a nice ring to it.

    :)

  50. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    Fowler is pretty good and Bailey has had one good year and is only 2 years from free agency……Id need more if I’m Colorado…..JMO

  51. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    I am not sure you can ask Arizona to kick in anything – they are trading Upton – I think it will rely heavily on the Yanks. It would not surprise me if the A’s called Cleveland – and Cleveland started with Parker – or something along those lines – the Rays it might be an Archer or Hellickson – and the Diamondbacks – maybe Bauer or Skaggs – I am just not sure the Yanks have anyone pitching wise in those leagues – we have a bunch of no. 3-5 starters – with the highest upside guys as you say having not pitched above low A ball – like Campos and DePaula – IMO that does not get it done – - – -

  52. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Blake-

    Didn’t Bailey toss a No-No last season ?

  53. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Oh I thought I read somewhere that MTU is as sophisticated as Cashman.

  54. CompassRosy December 2nd, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:37 pm
    Nick-

    The fact that he gets several other players along with him.

    That’s what.

    Who ?

    Maybe Nunez, or maybe Adams.

    Does he need a reliever ? we’ve got a few of those to spare.

    How bout a really good OF prospect ?

    Need a near ML SP ? Got one.

    Think he might see it our way ? I think he might. I think ole Brian should find out.

    We’re filling several of his needs at once and not really hurting ourselves.

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    MTU ~

    The M’s have plenty of good, cost-controlled, major league bullpen arms.
    They also have a glut of SP prospects (some of which will likely be dealt).
    They also plenty of OF prospects.

    What they need are a couple of major league bats (preferably at least one OF) and possibly a major league ToR/MoR (depending upon the outcome of Vargas’s contract)

    Again, I’m not saying that Jaso is untouchable. I just think, for the short term, he is more valuable to the M’s for what he can provide them in platoon with Montero and knowing the M’s pitchers than for what he can bring back via trade.

    It’s not like the M’s don’t have other pieces to trade…
    you can have Noesi back ;)

  55. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Blake-

    Didn’t Bailey toss a No-No last season ?

    So have a lot of guys that aren’t that good ;)

  56. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    OK Rosy.

    I surrender. Keep Jaso.

    Best of luck with him.

    :)

  57. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Do you guys think you might have too much time on your hands?

  58. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    “I am not sure you can ask Arizona to kick in anything – they are trading Upton”

    Depends….they would be getting Cabrera whonis a pretty good player too….. If the Yanks kicked in a good position player prospect then Maybe Towers would part with a pitcher to facilitate a deal….. I have no idea…..Cash should just ask

  59. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    MTU-You seem as obsessed over Jaso as you were with Holliday.

  60. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    I don’t have any free time….I’m just a good multi tasker

  61. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    We can’t get ANY of the catchers!!

    What a poor usage of capital letters.

  62. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    I don’t have any free time….I’m just a good multi tasker
    ==============================
    In fact you are drilling a patient as we speak…

  63. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    Alright Mick.

    I’m dropping it.

    Rosy gets to keep him.

    Catch you all later.

    :)

  64. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Later MTU

  65. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    @AdamKilgoreWP: One thing overheard at the meetings: The Nats had Denard Span rated above Michael Bourn and B.J. Upton, not even considering contracts.

    Not sure about that ……but there isn’t enough difference to make up for the money difference

  66. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Alright! Who sent that seventies Nashville film with Karen Black? ( I like her tho not as much as Margot Kidder ). This site is all about Dave Stieb shaving ankles with sliders. I hope you’re happy with Van Morrison down there :)

  67. CompassRosy December 2nd, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Frankly, I’m having a hard time switching back to baseball mode, as I’m still basking in the glow of a RARE road victory for my Seahawks…

    I <3 Russell Wilson :-)

  68. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Cash should just ask

    ******

    Definitely agree – - – -

  69. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    only for pee wee herman fans:

    pic.twitter.com/HoZbs3PL

  70. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    try again:

    https://twitter.com/peeweeherman/status/274303348797235201/photo/1

  71. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    wasn’t that karen black in the diner with jack nicholson in 5 easy pieces…
    i’ll have the toast without the chicken salad?

  72. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtfNE4z6a8

    Here’s Jack…

  73. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Karen Black was alone in her apte with an angry voodoo doll ( trillogy of fear )- she finally put the god damn thing in the oven, and look where that got her!

  74. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Dexter Fowler

    Coors: .295 .395 .487 .882

    Road: .248 .331 .367 .698

    That split was even bigger in 2012, .264 OPS difference, huge.

    He’s a mediocre player playing in Coors.

    Bailey 33 starts, 208 innings, 3.68 ERA in 2012.

  75. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Here’s Johnny…..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_C4f7JKVfQ

  76. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    she finally put the god damn thing in the oven, and look where that got her!
    ===========================
    not as bad as sylvia plath.

  77. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Mick,….don’t get me started :)

  78. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    http://tea-and-skeletons.tumbl.....se-i-do-it

  79. GregD December 2nd, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Colts victory today was awesome….Andrew Luck is the best

  80. raymagnetic December 2nd, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Why would the Yankees want anything else from Seattle? Honestly??

    Cashman should have Jack Z on his do not receive calls from list, seriously.

  81. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Colts victory today was awesome….Andrew Luck is the best

    ****

    Quite an ending with 4 seconds and the shovel pass right at the 15 for the score – - – -

  82. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Mick, indeed, as your site presented states, ” dying is an art ” – words by Sylvia Plath. What many people should consider is that Plath had an intense thirst for life and she made this point concrete via her writings. She fought to create works that were of the greatest sincerity and technical merit. It is of solace to me that someone took such care in their craft.

  83. 4 NYY December 2nd, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    Most of the free agents are guys that are either injury prone, utility guys, or guys that are nearly done. The only good ones apparently are too costly for us. ( maybe a surprise ? )

    If we’re not gonna really upgrade to contend with the Blue Jays hitting lineup, we might as well bring back the same bunch. ( except no Jones, please )

    Gotta make some GOOD trades Cash !!!

  84. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    “Bailey 33 starts, 208 innings, 3.68 ERA in 2012.”

    Rest of his career….hurt…..mediocre.

  85. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    “Cashman should have Jack Z on his do not receive calls from list, seriously.”

    Not saying they sold the yanks damaged goods…. But I definately think they sold the Yanks a guy they thought could be damaged goods.

  86. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS

    #mariners looking at hamilton, upton & anyone else who can hit. http://cbsprt.co/Uju7hx

  87. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: #mariners looking at hamilton, upton & anyone else who can hit. http://t.co/fp2WKHUF

  88. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Too slow again :(

  89. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: redsox honcho lucchino said on sirius/xm theyre in on hamilton. issue is years. 5 may be their limit. http://t.co/u6OEFcKN

  90. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:04 pm
    “Bailey 33 starts, 208 innings, 3.68 ERA in 2012.”

    Rest of his career….hurt…..mediocre.

    Yeah, but it’s the most recent performance that matters the most.

    Anyway, I wouldn’t want Fowler regardless, he is very mediocre outside Coors.

  91. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    @AndrewMarchand: Cashman is not arriving here in Nashville until Monday.

    It’s ok Cash ….take your time

  92. raymagnetic December 2nd, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    “Not saying they sold the yanks damaged goods…. But I definately think they sold the Yanks a guy they thought could be damaged goods.”

    Both pitchers were/are damaged goods. Right now Cashman has nothing to show for the trade.

    Honestly I’m just sick of Jack Z and Seattle players period.

  93. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    “Anyway, I wouldn’t want Fowler regardless, he is very mediocre outside Coors.”

    Same was said of Matt Holliday

  94. RadioKev December 2nd, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    Hamilton makes sense for the Red Sox if they’re looking to compete right now. Although, that might not make sense.

  95. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Also….bailey is only two years from free agency and the Rockies are awful…..if they trade anybody they need to get controllable players….not guys with injury histories who are close to free agency……but it’s their team I guess

  96. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    I dont think Hamilton is going to boston…..

  97. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    Could Hamilton really get more than a 5 year deal? Seems like the Red Sox having a 5 year limit wouldnt be the issue as much as the money… I think Philly will end up with Hamilton.

  98. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    All it takes is one dumb owner as the sayig goes….but right now I can’t see anybody going behind 5 for Hamilton and his best offer may be a big 4 year deal…..you really never know though…..

  99. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Beyond 5

  100. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:12 pm
    “Anyway, I wouldn’t want Fowler regardless, he is very mediocre outside Coors.”

    Same was said of Matt Holliday

    No, Holliday had good numbers outside Coors.

  101. RadioKev December 2nd, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    It seems that Hamilton is most valuable to the Rangers, but they are a very shrewd organization. I’d agree with the consensus that he’ll wind up back in Texas.

  102. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    “No, Holliday had good numbers outside Coors.”

    He had pretty big splits away from coors …. Which was the narrative for many on why not to sign him

  103. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    I think Texas signs somewhere other than Texas

  104. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    I think Hamilton will end up in either Philly or Baltimore.. The only West Coast team I could see flirting with the idea of Hamilton is the Angels.

  105. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Holiday and Fowler are different caliber players…..and I’m not saying Fowler wound be as good somewhere else….my only poin was that I think he’s worth more than Homer Bailey….especially to a rebuilding team

  106. RadioKev December 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 pm
    I think Texas signs somewhere other than Texas
    ———-

    I think they sign to an Independent league and secede.

  107. Patrick December 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    Hey by the way, I think it was Stoneburner arguing with Jerkface about being wary of trading for Atlanta pitchers. Well I was listening to MLB on XM radio and Jim Bowden was on and he made the same exact point as Jerkface. Always be wary of trading for Atlanta pitchers because they very often tend to get hurt after being traded. This is coming from a former GM who has experience getting burned by trading for Braves pitchers. Mentioned Denny Neagle as an example of a player he got from the Braves who suddenly got hurt after being acquired.

    So yeah, Jerkface was right to be wary of Braves pitchers :)

    Also if anyone cares, MLB on XM is actually awesome. Baseball talk 24/7, it’s great

  108. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    I’d be surprised if the M’s went after him, despite the report.

  109. RadioKev December 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Patrick, are you a “brand ambassador?”

  110. RadioKev December 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    You have to tell us if we ask, right? That’s the law, I hear.

  111. Patrick December 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Haha no man, I’m a software engineer, I just really like the MLB channel on XM. And I thought it was interesting that Bowden made the EXACT same point as someone on this blog.

  112. RadioKev December 2nd, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    We’re practically an MLB pundit think-tank.

  113. Tar December 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    “Patrick, are you a “brand ambassador?””

    Is Jerkface a brand? :D

    Patrick

    Re: trading for braves pitchers. I think that JF was just repeating something that has been said before, an axiom if you will. Not sure why someone would argue against that.

  114. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    You’d be surprised what people will argue on here, Tar. Remember that one time we all had an argument with science??

    Good times.

  115. RadioKev December 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    Pundit Think-Tank… now there’s an oxymoron.

  116. Tar December 2nd, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    Shame

    You’re right, I shouldn’t be surprised about anybody arguing about anything. Were kind of like a big Italian family right. :D

  117. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Absolutely, Tar!

  118. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Italian family? I live in Italian and Irish ( genocide survivors ) grown Hamilton On.. I want my ’79 Villeneuve Ferrari.

  119. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    @GordonEdes: It” ll take 3 top prospects to get him, I’m told//RT @PatGonzo3: @GordonEdes any chance of Giancarlo Stanton getting moved?

    If we have 3 top prospects I would trade them all for the artist formerly known as mike

  120. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Mike?…blake , its all about Marshall and his alternative ways.

  121. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    @GordonEdes: It” ll take 3 top prospects to get him, I’m told//RT @PatGonzo3: @GordonEdes any chance of Giancarlo Stanton getting moved?

    If we have 3 top prospects I would trade them all for the artist formerly known as mike

    ———————–

    Who would our 3 be? Williams, Sanchez and Austin?

  122. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    One industry source tells Dan Kolko of MASNsports.com that it’s more likely the Nationals land another starting pitcher via a trade involving Michael Morse than by picking someone off the free agent market. The first baseman/left fielder is a valuable trade chip and will make $6.75MM in 2013, the final year of his deal.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#JtkmuadW0z7AzSep.99

  123. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    What constitutes ‘top prospect’ btw? Where would they have to rank? Top 10? 20? 30? I know it’s not a clear line, but just curious.

  124. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Morse would be cool…

  125. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    “Who would our 3 be? Williams, Sanchez and Austin?”

    BA’a top 4 is: Mason, Heathcott, Sanchez, Austin

  126. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    December 2, 2012 at 10:08 pm
    What constitutes ‘top prospect’ btw? Where would they have to rank? Top 10? 20? 30? I know it’s not a clear line, but just curious.

    Depends on the team I guess….

  127. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    @jonmorosi: Source: Asdrubal Cabrera has 6-team no-trade clause, covering Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Nationals, Giants, Mets. @MLBONFOX

    But not the Dbacks! We just need to use him to get Upton

  128. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    Sorry – but the Wainwright trade is listed as one of the worst trades the Braves have ever made – sometimes the players traded from the Braves turns into a dud – sometimes they do not – like Wainwright and others such as Matt Harrison. If you look at history – actually teams should be wary of trading with the Yankees – as there is a long list of Yankees selling high on hyped up prospects to these cast-offs only turning in marginal value.

    From:

    1. JS/Adam Wainwright, Ray King and Jason Marquis to St. Louis for Just Disabled and Eli Marrero. This trade might’ve made the list even if the Braves had re-signed ol’ J.D., who was at his best in 2004 — until the playoffs, when he registered four singles and one RBI. Wainwright, meanwhile, was dominant out of the ‘pen in 2006, helping the Cards win the World Series. In four subsequent seasons as a starter the Brunswick native posted a sterling 64-34 record with an ERA below three, improving each year; Wainwright finished third in the 2009 NL Cy Young voting and second last year.

    http://rowlandsoffice.wordpres.....s-history/

  129. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    I think top prospect in general means top 100 list. And you’d probably need atleast 1 top 10 or 20 guy in a Stanton trade. Or it could mean any of your top 10 prospects, but thats more of a gamble as no top 10 list is created equal.

  130. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    blake – In that order? I’d swallow hard but I think I’d do it…

    I’d prefer to sub one of the three with pitching… but I’d be hard pressed to pass up any chance to get him.

  131. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    It doesn’t matter if the Wainwright trade is one of the worst they ever made, it doesn’t invalidate the point that you casually dismissed with a ‘nah’.

  132. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    JF – Gotcha.. I figured it was based on the overall rankings as opposed to team based rankings. Man, I’d love Stanton.

  133. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    And of course Wainwright got hurt right after he was traded which is one of the points everyone makes when talking about being wary of trading with the Braves.

  134. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    If the Yankees offered Mason, Sanchez, and Austin for Giancarlo I doubt it’d be enough….. This time next year it might be …. But probably not now

  135. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    blake – I figured you’d need to give up at least 5 players for Stanton.. I assumed a couple more pieces would have to be included and they’d have to be big league guys. Still not sure if that’d even be enough. I don’t even know that they’d trade him.. a good argument could be made for them moving or not moving him.

  136. Chip December 2nd, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    Blake – when you say “they wouldn’t do that” which they do you mean – Yankees or Twins?

  137. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    Chip says:
    December 2, 2012 at 10:21 pm
    Blake – when you say “they wouldn’t do that” which they do you mean – Yankees or Twins?

    I don’t think the Twins would….they would want more pitching and Willingham is probably more valuable than Gardner

  138. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    ….I wonder if GLove is cursing at his tv as much as I am right now.

    Stupid Cowboys.

  139. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    I wish Obama would do something about this situation.

  140. Chip December 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    Blake -

    There was a report from Stark on MLB TradeRumors that they might not be able to get more than a fourth starter for Willingham. I mean, if the only way to get that deal done would be to swap in Nova for Warren I would probably still go ahead and do it.

    The Twins would get a leadoff hitter and CF – right now they would be using Ben Revere in that role and he’s best suited for a corner and lower in the order due to poor on base skills. They also get a starting SS in Nunez and a back of the rotation pitcher in either Warren or Nova.

  141. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    Willingham is coming off a career year, but he is still a 34 year old outfielder that can’t play defense. He is good for around an .800-.850 OPS. The thing I like about him is that he can hit RHP, so if they did trade for him they could rely on him to sit in RF for the entire season without needing a platoon partner.

  142. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    “There was a report from Stark on MLB TradeRumors that they might not be able to get more than a fourth starter for Willingham”

    I don’t know if I buy that….but you’d have to put Nova or phelps in there to get them to think about it mostl likely…..I still don’t think that really helps the Twins much and think they’d probably just keep Willingham rather than deal him for a back end guy

  143. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Also the Twins would probably have to eat some money on Morneu before Hal would approve something like that

  144. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 10:27 pm
    I wish Obama would do something about this situation.

    He should let Texas secede. :)

  145. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Dunno if this was mentioned but Pete Abe reports that, “There is talk that Josh Hamilton and Zack Greinke will attend the meetings and meet with teams.”

    I think these two probably sign deals not long after (if not during) the winter meetings. Once that happens you gotta believe the FA market will speed up.

  146. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    squat – :lol:

    It was reported that a number of fans submitted a petition to Obama to remove Jerry Jones from the team lol. I am now joining them in holding Obama responsible for stopping the downward spiral of America’s team.

  147. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    I would love to get a legit bat in LF…..try and get Ichiro and a RH platoon partner for him….and then trade either Gardner or Granderson for the best SS or 3B prospect they can find

  148. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    I think they might could get Morse with Nova….if they trade him it’ll be for pitching and I doubt he’d bring anybody much better than nova…..he can’t play defense but he can hit

  149. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    The Twins blew it big time by not dealing Willingham at the deadline when he was OPSing .900 and teams would be more willing to pay.

  150. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    I like the idea of Morse because he’s not gonna command as much in return since he’s not controlled beyond ’13. I could see a deal being worked out there.. Get on it Cash!

  151. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    I don’t know if you’d want to play Morse in RF full time…. He’s pretty bad….you’d probably want him to DH a lot Id guess…..

  152. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    @jonmorosi: Josh Hamilton fits with Red Sox, Yankees and Phillies. And he’s going to get paid. My column here: http://t.co/COI1WvLO

  153. yankeefeminista December 2nd, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Profar is being shut down in the DWL with mild inflammation.

  154. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    Morse doesn’t get on base enough and cannot play defense, but if he is cheap they could use him like blake said at DH and occasionally at other positions.

  155. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    He’d be good paired with Hariston :D

  156. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    JF,

    Would you trade Nova for Morse? I don’t know if I would or not…..I might….guess it would depend on what other options they have to add bats

  157. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    December 2, 2012 at 10:45 pm
    He’d be good paired with Hariston

    Morse is a RIghty so if they got him they wouldn’t need Hairston

  158. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Probably not, I don’t think Morse is worth that much honestly, but he may be a guy that is hard to price. He hits for average and some power but doesn’t get on base and cannot run or play defense. Weird guy.

  159. CompassRosy December 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 pm
    I think top prospect in general means top 100 list. And you’d probably need atleast 1 top 10 or 20 guy in a Stanton trade. Or it could mean any of your top 10 prospects, but thats more of a gamble as no top 10 list is created equal.

    ~ ~ ~

    According to the MLB.com list, M’s have 2 in the top 8, 3 in top 29, 4 in the top 44 and 5 in the top 74. Seems high time some of them pay dividends – whether it be on the big league field or in trade value…

  160. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    Id rather pull off a blockbuster or FA signing to the bat they need and then just sign Hairston to platoon with Ichiro.

  161. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    @jonmorosi: Intra-division trades are not all that common during offseason, but keep an eye on Asdrubal Cabrera and Tigers. Price would be high, though.

  162. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    According to Seattle beat crew this is a potential trade that could go down in the winter meetings:

    One proposal went something along the lines of the left-handed hitting Jones and Pirates closer Joel Hanrahan going to the Mariners with potentially one other throw-in, in exchange for first baseman Justin Smoak, catcher John Jaso and starting pitcher Hector Noesi.

  163. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Filching Jaso before he goes to Pitt would be nice if they are indeed willing to trade him.

  164. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    If Jaso is traded then MTU will make sure we get him

  165. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    I think they would trade him because sounds like Zunino is a beast and will be up soon….but he was their best hitter last year so might ask a lot

  166. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: zack greinkes agent casey close said he’ll know in 24-48 hrs if deal can be done in nashville. no talks serious … yet

  167. CompassRosy December 2nd, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    blake ~

    Jaso may have been the best average-wise but, your fellow Tar Heel, Seager was best production-wise…

  168. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 pm
    According to Seattle beat crew this is a potential trade that could go down in the winter meetings:

    One proposal went something along the lines of the left-handed hitting Jones and Pirates closer Joel Hanrahan going to the Mariners with potentially one other throw-in, in exchange for first baseman Justin Smoak, catcher John Jaso and starting pitcher Hector Noesi.

    —-

    So how much for just Jaso?

    .927 OPS vs rhp in 2012…

  169. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    Seager also had 50 more games than Jaso :) Jaso was the superior hitter

  170. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    Pirates just got Martin, they don’t need Jaso!

  171. CompassRosy December 2nd, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    “Seager also had 50 more games than Jaso…”

    ~ ~ ~

    Yep, which bodes well for the future since Seager is only 25 and played a full season in the bigs after only about 2 1/2 seasons in the minors ;)

    ***

    I hate rooting for the Cowboys but, I had them in my survivor pool this week ~ whew!

  172. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 am

    Soto signs with the Rangers :( There goes one more potential option.

  173. UnKnown December 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 am

    pic.twitter.com/8sW1oJWN

    Blake your going to want to pick up one of these before the morning.

    JF – Is Soto really any good?

  174. jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 am

    Soto was rookie of the year, then had a down year, then had another very good year, but then last 2 years were poor. Don’t know what to make of him.

  175. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 am

    Soto isn’t a big loss, but he was an option that could have been very useful. In 2011 he did hit .296 .410 .561 .971 vs LHP. OPS’d over 1 against them in 2010. He can play average to slightly above average defense if he is right.

    The Yankees with their dilly dallying lost an option they could have acquired with only money.

  176. Lost December 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 am

    Minor Notes:

    I wish I had something exciting to say tonight but all I have is that the yankees talks have been heating up with The Josh Hamilton. Now I know some of you are gonna read that as i’m saying “We are signing Hamilton for certain” but there is a lot of concerns that are being discussed for both parties. However, these things tend to go rather quickly once both sides are committed and from what I know now, that is not the case. I will say that there is more than “luke warm” interest by multiple teams and I am not so sure that another team isn’t going to go all out for him and blow him away. We shall see, it makes for an exciting week at least!

    That’s all I got. Night.

  177. UnKnown December 3rd, 2012 at 12:40 am

    I don’t know what to make of him either. Might have been nice to get him on a one year deal like Texas did. Probably an upgrade at least from what is currently on the Yankee roster. I still wouldn’t mind AJP.

    MLB Network will be on all week long in my house. Going to be a cool week.

    Hoping for Hamilton!

  178. Pat M. December 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 am

    Soto sucks, nothing lost at all by not even calling this chump

  179. sammiejohnson December 3rd, 2012 at 1:06 am

    Lost December 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 am

    Minor Notes:

    I wish I had something exciting to say tonight but all I have is that the yankees talks have been heating up with The Josh Hamilton. Now I know some of you are gonna read that as i’m saying “We are signing Hamilton for certain” but there is a lot of concerns that are being discussed for both parties. However, these things tend to go rather quickly once both sides are committed and from what I know now, that is not the case. I will say that there is more than “luke warm” interest by multiple teams and I am not so sure that another team isn’t going to go all out for him and blow him away. We shall see, it makes for an exciting week at least!

    That’s all I got. Night

    __________________________________

    You mean we may or may not be signing Josh Hamilton? Wow! What a scoop. Thanks for the update.

  180. UnKnown December 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 am

    Last time they had it in Nashville, which was a couple of years ago I believe, somebody fell into the large fountain they have in the hotel.

  181. UnKnown December 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 am

    http://mlb.mlb.com/cutfour/ind.....d=40494570

    My bad, it was last year in Dallas where we had a guy take a dive in the water.

  182. MoRings42 December 3rd, 2012 at 2:31 am

    Justin Morneau?? Google his name and “Concussion”.

    No thanks.

  183. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 4:55 am

    HAMILTON!

  184. tomingeorgia December 3rd, 2012 at 6:51 am

    blake,
    HAMILTON what?

  185. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:05 am

    HAMILTON sign him!

  186. tomingeorgia December 3rd, 2012 at 7:08 am

    I thought you meant they HAD signed him!

  187. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:14 am

    No no….Cashman is probably chasing Nate mclouth instead

  188. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 7:15 am

    The Daily News is reporting AROD is having problems with his surgically repaired hip. That may explain the desire to upgrade the left side of the infield. The news just keeps getting better along with Sherman’s article saying the team would have a lesser offense this year due to money.

  189. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:18 am

    The Daily News is reporting AROD is having problems with his surgically repaired hip. That may explain the desire to upgrade the left side of the infield. The news just keeps getting better along with Sherman’s article saying the team would have a lesser offense this year due to money.”

    Wonderful

  190. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:20 am

    The yanks won’t make the playoffs if they don’t address their offense…..and that’d be a real shame given that this may be the last chance for the dynasty core players to win a title

  191. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 7:22 am

    Make that the Post that discussed ArOD’s recent visit to the doctor with hip issues.

  192. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:27 am

    Defense isn’t Arods problem….he’s still ok at 3B….but seeing as how they can’t move him and that he’s still signed until forever…..I think it’s time to seriously consider making him the primary DH just to save as much wear and tear on his legs as possible and to get as much offense as possible …then try to acquire a 3B or just put Adams out there

  193. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:33 am

    Hamilton and Greinke both in Nashville.

  194. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 am

    Good morning-

    RA Dickey is in Nashville also.

    If LaRoche resigns with Nats rumor is Danny Espinosa and Michael Morse might be traded to Rays for a starting pitcher.

    Greinke will either take the Dodger offer if he wants the largest contract for a starting pitcher in history, or sign for less with the Braves as he might feel more comfortable in Atlanta. JMHO.

  195. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 am

    @Buster_ESPN: Mike Rizzo can be very aggressive, compared to other GMs, something of a gambler. And he’s aiming high in talking to TB about pitching.

  196. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 7:43 am

    Good morning.

    Some interesting talk last evening.

    Gonna be a fun 2 weeks.

    Hope part of the fun will be for us.

    :)

  197. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 7:44 am

    I suspect Adams will see significant playing time unless they add a player. I don’t see Drew, Scutaro or the like signing for one year or for low money.

    The Post article referenced possible hip surgery. I don’t know how true that is.

    While others have said pitching is the key, the 2008 team was 10th in runs scored. No coincidence that is the worst team for years.

  198. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 7:46 am

    Here’s the Post article.

    Stiffness in the right hip’

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....kgNWGRrRpJ

  199. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 7:46 am

    Blake/Mac-

    I’m with you. O has to be addressed.

    Pitching is pretty much set.

  200. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 am

    I remember so many balls AROD hit this year that I was certain were gone only to have them die. It seems very likely his hitting woes are related to inability to use his hips. His swing is now mostly arms.

    As Sherman’s article says, this is not a good time to be frugal.

  201. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:49 am

    “I remember so many balls AROD hit this year that I was certain were gone only to have them die. It seems very likely his hitting woes are related to inability to use his hips. His swing is now mostly arms.”

    Yup….

  202. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 7:51 am

    YT,

    Thanks for posting the article. Not the news I was hoping to read this morning.

    Great. Just great. One more position of weakness.

    Let’s add another old guy or two.

  203. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:55 am

    Would it actually be a good thing if there was a reason for Arods postseason rather than just merely decline? I guess that depends on if the hip can improve or not

  204. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 7:57 am

    Recurrent arthritic hip issues is not a good thing or one readily correctable, I would expect.

  205. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 am

    Austinmac-

    Thanks for referencing the Post article. Right hip. Didn’t Chase Utley have recurring issues with his hip after having the same procedure?

    Are the Yankees now going to be stuck with a righty DH who will have trouble hitting righties and also lose his power stroke?

    PED’s=body breakdown. Is a total hip replacement, ala Bo Jackson, in ARods not so distant future?

  206. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 7:59 am

    A couple of items already from the Winter Meetings.

    The Rays are signing James Loney (as bad as he is he’s still an upgrade over Carlos Pena) and are trying to work out a deal with the Nats where they would send pitching to Washington for Mike Morse (expendable once they officially re-sign Adam LaRoche) and Danny Espinosa. I can’t tell you how much this would annoy me if it happens. It gives Tampa a RH hitting power DH and power hitting switch hitter at 2b. They would probably look something like:

    Jennings – CF
    Espinosa – 2b
    Zobrist – RF
    Longoria – 3b
    Morse – DH
    Joyce – LF
    Brignac – SS
    Loney – 1b
    Molina – C

    another trade rumor circulating has the Mariners sending Justin Smoak, John Jaso and Hector Noesi to the Pirates for sometime Yankee target Garrett Jones and Joel Hanrahan.

    The most disturbing news though again comes from Brian Cashman who was quoted in today’s New York Post as saying that he doesn’t expect to get much done at the Winter Meetings.

    Listen, I get it, in today’s day and age you can just as easily get things done from your office or couch with your iPad and phone as you can in a hotel with all the other GMs – and you don’t want to feel in a rush to make deals before the meetings end. But to go in there with the mindset that it’s a waste of time and not be proactive – well that gets on my nerves. We already know that this GM doesn’t like making deals at the Trade Deadline; he doesn’t like making them in the Winter Meetings – quite frankly he doesn’t like making them at all. The real killer in this hunt for $189 is Brian’s lack of creativity. To get to that number and still have a quality team the Yankees can’t just go with old vets on one year deals. They need to get creative and deal some of their established players for guys who can help over the next three or four years – look at offers for guys like Granderson, Robertson, Joba and Cano.

    Also, more bad Yankee news (sort of) is that Alex may need another operation on his hip. Expect the Yankees to re-sign Eric Chavez as insurance though my preference would be to give David Adams and Ronny Mustillier shots at winning the job this spring.

  207. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Take a look at MLBTR.

    Looks like the Rays are very active.

    They just signed Loney, and are looking into tading some pitching for more O.

    Just what we need. An even stronger AL East.

    Better not run in place Brian.

    There are Dobermans nipping at your heels.

    ;)

  208. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 am

    Sorry. Looks like Chip beat me to it.

  209. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:01 am

    blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:55 am

    Would it actually be a good thing if there was a reason for Arods postseason rather than just merely decline? I guess that depends on if the hip can improve or not
    ———————–

    I’ve rarely heard of a guy with recurring hip problems getting better – think Albert Belle as for what Alex’s future may hold.

    On the other hand, and I certainly don’t wish this on him, but if the hip issue is that bad it could force Alex out of the game at which point $189 becomes much more attainable without sacrificing as much.

  210. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 8:03 am

    YT,

    It does sound like Utley. I would bet he will need hip replacement at some point in his life. Let’s hope not for awhile.

    So much for lack of offense being solved with a bounceback year from Alex.

    Sherman’s article also said their has been no off season talk of a Cano extension. What in the world are the plans? See if they are in contention at the TD? They would get less in a trade then.

  211. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:05 am

    The question is what Alex’s hip issue does to the Yankee plans.

    1. Assuming he can’t play the field, do they let Adams or Mustellier compete for the 3b job or do they go looking for a full time 3b like Jeff Keppinger or sign Stephen Drew and convert him to 3b?

    2. Does it impact their interest in bringing back a guy like Ibanez who won’t get the DH at bats anymore (I really fear that they would bring Ibanez back anyway and start him in RF)

  212. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 am

    Alex being unable to play doesn’t mean he won’t get paid. Maybe the team has insurance, but that doesn’t help with the cap.

    Other teams try to improve. The Yankees are stuck in neutral not knowing what to do is my sense. Their goal seems to be to see how little they can decline. Great strategy.

  213. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:08 am

    Austinmac -

    There are a few possibilities here:

    1. Alex gets some treatment, doesn’t miss any time and comes in ready to play
    2. Alex misses time, and is never quite right
    3. Alex doesn’t miss time, is never quite right and continues his steady decline
    4. Alex misses some time but gets back ready to play
    5. The issue is so bad that Alex is forced into early retirement like Belle and Jackson, his salary is cleared off the Yankee payroll

  214. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:08 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: #Rangers have continued interest in #Diamondbacks’ JUpton, also looking at #Rays’ Shields and starters. Column: http://t.co/xnChZqHc

  215. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 8:09 am

    If the Yankees want a right handed power bat for RF that might not cost them an arm and a leg in prospect/prospects pitching, Michael Cuddyer might be a good fit.

    Yes he has 10.5M coming each of the next 2 years and another 1.5M based on performance for this season.

    He was shelved with an oblique injury in August.

    He played RF, 1B, 2B for the Twins, came up as a 3B with them and played 1B, RF with the Rockies. Numbers away from Coors were the same as Coors. Reported to be a good clubhouse guy.

    Rockies throw in some money to defray 2014 salary and possible bonus, to lessen the Yankees hit in 2014, and maybe the Rockies would be happy with AAA sinkerball pitcher Mitchell, for Coors, as a primary in the deal?

    If you want to peruse his 2012 and prior years stats:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....el-cuddyer

  216. NYYanksFan December 3rd, 2012 at 8:09 am

    A-Rod has gone to see Philippon every year to get the hip checked. Might be a routine visit getting blown out of proportion like fat Derek story Post ran this week.

  217. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:09 am

    austinmac –

    If Alex retires due to injury (or any reason) his salary comes off the payroll I believe.

  218. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:10 am

    I think it’s time to make Alex the DH ….they have to save as much wear on that hip as possible.

  219. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Again, if I’m Brian and Girardi I would turn to Alex this winter and say “look, between your hip and performance we’re looking at you mostly as a platoon guy against LHP going forward. We can’t trade you due to your salary and injury status so it is your call, you can be a bench player or retire. If you retire we will take care of you with an advisory role within the organization”

    Now, it would never happen and even if it did happen Alex wouldn’t go along with it – but I can’t see a downside to trying.

  220. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:13 am

    I’m paraphrasing but didn’t Cashman just say the other day that people should not underestimate the Yankees at the WM ?

    The Yankees have to know that their O has concerns.

    I’m hoping that he meant what he said and they’ll bust a significant move.

    We’ll see.

  221. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Chip-

    Cannot “force” ARod into early retirement. He could just stay on disabled list for the remainder of his contract and collect his biweekly checks! For the regular working person, the company would have a disability insurance policy that pays something like 100% salary for first 30 days, 50% for days 31 thru 90, and nothing thereafter.

  222. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:14 am

    blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:10 am

    I think it’s time to make Alex the DH ….they have to save as much wear on that hip as possible.
    —————-

    I don’t disagree – I would be fine with Keppinger, Mustellier or Adams at 3b. The problem is though that even with the hip issue Alex’s fielding wasn’t the problem, it was his hitting. So you’re removing him from the part of the game he is still good at and making a non-hitter your DH.

  223. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Chip,

    I hope that is true, but they still have to pay him so I question it comes off the books for cap purposes. Perhaps, I’m wrong.

  224. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:15 am

    YT-

    Mitchell is already gone.

    ;)

  225. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Chip-

    Cannot “force” ARod into early retirement. He could just stay on disabled list for the remainder of his contract and collect his biweekly checks! For the regular working person, the company would have a disability insurance policy that pays something like 100% salary for first 30 days, 50% for days 31 thru 90, and nothing thereafter.
    ———————

    No you can’t force him into retirement, but I think that if the doctors told Alex that he can’t play that he would retire. I’m sure that his contract is insured and so that would pay out at the balance of his salary. Even so, it wouldn’t count against payroll.

  226. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Go after Rendon hard….especially if the Nats sign Laroche….then he will essentially be blocked for awhile

  227. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Been interested in Keppinger all along.

    Guy can hit. Shouldn’t be too expensive.

  228. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:17 am

    austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Chip,

    I hope that is true, but they still have to pay him so I question it comes off the books for cap purposes. Perhaps, I’m wrong.
    —————–

    I believe, though admittedly I’m not sure, that if he retires due to injury that insurance pays out the remainder of his contract and not the Yankees so it wouldn’t count against active payroll.

  229. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Defense isn’t Arods issue and the torque of swinging a bat might be the biggest strain on his hip…..but the quick lateral movements playing the field can’t help either and that part they can cut out or reduce…..

  230. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 8:18 am

    YT,

    Mitchell was traded for Ichiro. I question the Rockies taking on enough money to get them interested. There are plenty of teams with money.

  231. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Chip-

    Missed your last post while I was typing.

    Part ownership and a consultant role might work. He should be excited about having a stake in ownerhip, even if a small % because I really believe the Yankees are going to up for sale in the not so distant future.

  232. jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Even if Alex’s hip is career ending, he is still getting paid.

    If this is a real problem and Arod could miss a lot of time or needs to DH, then the Yankees better be thinking about Eric Chavez, Jeff Keppinger, maybe trades for Headley, perhaps Olt.

  233. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:18 am

    “Been interested in Keppinger all along.”

    Yea….might be time to up the pursuit of him

  234. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:19 am

    MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Been interested in Keppinger all along.

    Guy can hit. Shouldn’t be too expensive.
    —————

    I like Keppinger, only issue I ever saw standing in the way would be that he was going to want a full time job and not some super utility role. If Alex can’t play 3b then Keppinger could be signed to man the hot corner.

    Though my guess is that he would want multiple years, and as a result Cashman will sign Placido Polanco instead.

  235. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Aren’t you guys getting a little ahead of yourselves with A-Rod ?

    Keppinger is a proven, professional hitter.

  236. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Austinmac-

    Is it Brett Marshall that I was thinking of? Sinkerball AAA pitcher?

  237. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 8:21 am

    The Rays have replaced Pena with Loney. Now, they will look to replace Upton. Loney is probably an upgrade. At least they would have to give up a quality pitcher to add another bat. Of course, it seems they always have plenty of them.

  238. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 8:22 am

    YT,

    Yes, he is supposed to be a sinkerballer. It is still very early. We have to pace ourselves for the week. :)

  239. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:23 am

    @jaysonst: A source familiar with talks between #Nationals & #Rays says a Morse/Espinosa deal to Tampa Bay is not very likely, despite the logical fit

    Tampa isn’t giving up Shields or Hellickson for Morse so Id think not as well…..

  240. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Blake-

    He was always gonna be an upgrade over what we had.

    And not overly expensive at that.

    Chavez is good but can he continue to stay healthy ?

    Let’s see what the medicals on A-Rod show.

    This might just be another reporter trying to sell newspapers.

  241. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:24 am

    As I’ve been saying….sign Hamilton….trade Granderson or Gardner for the best 3B or SS prospect you can get

  242. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:25 am

    I think Adams could hold his own offensively…..I don’t know if his 3B defense is good enough yet or not

  243. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Chip-

    Placido Polanco has worse issues than ARod-DL for small tendon tear left wrist, another DL for lower back inflammation. Buyer beware.

  244. joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 8:28 am

    how about talking to the Reds about Zack Cozart..Gardner & Nunez in a package

  245. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Blake-

    I just think Hamilton has at least a 3 year offer out there.

  246. joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 8:30 am

    I know Jeter had a bad injury and not much he can do to stay in some kind of shape but the photo of him looks bad..but this is old news for sure

  247. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Before we go subtracting fairly young, cost-controlled, productive OF’er’s
    how bout we keep in mind that’s what we actually need.

    ;)

  248. joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 8:31 am

    think the Braves would part with Pardo ?

  249. joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 8:32 am

    MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:31 am
    Before we go subtracting fairly young, cost-controlled, productive OF’er’s
    how bout we keep in mind that’s what we actually need.

    ——————————————-
    and who might that be

  250. jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Like Keppinger a lot as a super utility covering 3B, 2B and 1B (and SS in emergency), or the rh part of a platoon, but don’t know about as a full time starter.

  251. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Joeman-

    Guess you and I disagree about GGBG’s current value to the team.

  252. ac1 December 3rd, 2012 at 8:34 am

    King: Yankees, A-Rod concerned about right hip damage
    ___

    God he is just the gift that keeps on giving….

  253. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Squat-

    then get Kepp and Chavez.

    they can afford both.

  254. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 8:36 am

    What if the Nats resign LaRoche at the meetings and make switch-hitter 2B/SS Danny Espinosa and Righty 1B/RF Michael Morse available to the Yankees for Hughes, if this deal doesn’t go thru with the Rays?

  255. joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 8:37 am

    MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:34 am
    Joeman-

    Guess you and I disagree about GGBG’s current value to the team.

    ———————–
    for a long time too…

  256. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Joeman-

    The Braves will not part with Martin Prado. He’s currently Chipper’s replacement at 3rd, and is one of the best hitters with RISP.

  257. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Joeman-

    All I’m saying is that we shouldn’t be creating more holes where we have a need.

    Trade GGBG and we need not just 1 OF’er but 2.

  258. joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 8:39 am
    Joeman-

    The Braves will not part with Martin Prado. He’s currently Chipper’s replacement at 3rd, and is one of the best hitters with RISP.

    ————————————————-
    no such thing as will not part with

  259. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Will RF end up as a Nate Schierholtz/Scott Hairston platoon?

  260. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Joeman-

    Unlikely to trade Prado, but if you are Cashman make Frank Wren an offer for his 3rd baseman that will entice him.

  261. joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 am

    not really good at this but would a Gardner & Nunez get it done ?

  262. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 am

    My fears:

    1. They sign Mark Reynolds to play 3b/DH
    2. They sign some over-the-hill guy like Rolen, Polanco or Youk
    3. They sign someone who flat out can’t play like Hannahan

    If Alex is going to DH due to his hip the only options I’m game for are:

    1. Keppinger
    2. Mustellier/Adams
    3. Trade for a killer 3b prospect

    To Blake’s suggestion:

    Sign Hamilton.

    Deal Cano and Nova to the Nats for Espinosa, Morse, Ramos and Rendon
    Deal Granderson to the Marlins for Logan Morrison and Rickey Nolasco

    Your lineup then is:

    Jeter
    Espinosa
    Hamilton – CF
    Tex
    Morse – RF
    Alex – DH
    Morrison – LF
    Ramos – C
    Rendon – 3b

  263. jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Joeman doesn’t like Gardner, that’s for sure.

    I think he’s the CF and leadoff man.

  264. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:50 am

    YT-

    “Will RF end up as a Nate Schierholtz/Scott Hairston platoon?”

    I hope we aim higher but yes it’s a possibility IMO.

  265. ac1 December 3rd, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Didn’t Keppinger just have surgery a little while ago?
    How bout we make sure he recovers before signing an injury risk to replace an injury risk and another player coming off surgery.

  266. ac1 December 3rd, 2012 at 8:52 am

    If A-Rod is truly hurt again, he should finally do the right thing and allow the Yankees out of his contract….. If he can’t play, he will just continue accepting 27.5 m/year to he injured and hurt the Yankees that he will have screwed over for the next 5 years. He would never do it, but somewhere there is a man with some morals that would…

  267. joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 8:52 am

    MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:41 am
    Joeman-

    All I’m saying is that we shouldn’t be creating more holes where we have a need.

    Trade GGBG and we need not just 1 OF’er but 2.

    —————————
    Pardo can play LF

  268. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Chip,

    LoMo kinda sucks

  269. joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 8:53 am

    jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 am
    Joeman doesn’t like Gardner, that’s for sure.

    I think he’s the CF and leadoff man.

    —————————-
    I’d be sick if that were the case

  270. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 am

    Joeman-

    I like Prado. He’s a good hitter and he’s versatile.

    Who are you giving up to get him ?

    Who is your RF target ?

  271. Nick in SF December 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 am

    I forgot to set my alarm, but joeman’s Gardner shtick was a good backup. Thanks, buddy.

  272. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:56 am

    I don’t think the Braves would trade Prado unless they can acquire another 3B somehow and then the deal made them better…..

    If you could work a 3 way where they got Olt then maybe…..but who knows…..I proposed this one time in my brain storming:

    Yankees get : Prado and Ahmed
    rangers get : Teheran and Delgado
    Braves get: Granderson and Olt

  273. joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 8:58 am

    MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 am
    Joeman-

    I like Prado. He’s a good hitter and he’s versatile.

    Who are you giving up to get him ?

    ————————
    asked above..would a Gardner -Nunez get it done ? (they don’t seem to need Pitching)

  274. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Joeman

    The Braves could use a speedy leadoff hitter for CF, but Gardner would not net Martin Prado.

    Prado hit .375 leadoff, .315 with RISP and 2 out.

    Gardner was injured the entire regular season after April 16th with a bad right elbow and continues sliding head first. His worth to another team is not yet established.

  275. joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 9:00 am

    just asking since he’s so cheap what can a Gardner bring back ?

  276. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 9:00 am

    joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 8:53 am

    jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 am
    Joeman doesn’t like Gardner, that’s for sure.

    I think he’s the CF and leadoff man.

    —————————-
    I’d be sick if that were the case

    ———————

    Well I’ll get you the bucket to vomit in because as of right now that’s the plan for Gardner.

    Why don’t you like Gardner? No asking in a rude way. Seriously want to hear your reason behind it.

  277. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 9:00 am

    New Post———->

  278. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Joeman-

    For me that’s too much for Prado.

    Still have a hole in Right.

  279. pkyankfan69 December 3rd, 2012 at 9:01 am

    Yankees get: Carlos Santana – Justin Upton

    D-Backs get: Asdrubal Cabrera – David Phelps – Dellin Betances

    Indians get: Phil Hughes – Mason Williams – Gary Sanchez – Manny Banuelos – Tyler Austin

  280. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Man that’s a big deal…..Id think about it

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