Ichiro exploring other options
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 02, 2012 
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Brian Cashman has put right field at the top of his priority list.
Ichiro Suzuki has put other teams into the mix.
A week after saying he was willing to wait for the Yankees, Ichiro’s agent has now told the New York Post that Ichiro is ready to take any other option he likes.
“At the beginning we talked (to the Yankees) a lot but since that time, zero,” Tony Attanasio said. “As far as we are concerned we don’t care what the Yankees do. We have had conversations with multiple clubs. If we see something we like he will go through with it.”
It’s worth noting that the corner outfield market is nothing like the catching market. There are actually quite a few solid outfielders available. The biggest names (Josh Hamilton, Michael Bourn, maybe even Shane Victorino) probably don’t fit the Yankees financial plans, but guys like Ryan Ludwick, Cody Ross, Nate Schierholtz, Scott Hairston, Raul Ibanez, etc., could either handle the job alone or fit into a platoon situation.
Ichiro would give the Yankees an entirely left-handed outfield, and it’s worth remembering that he was pretty bad for a full year and a half before coming to New York last season. He’s not a bad option for right field, I’m just not sure he’s a must-have. The fact he’s shopping around shouldn’t lead to some sort of panic move from the Yankees.
Associated Press photo
Can you do a RF platoon of Garrett Jones/Scott Hairston?
How do you get Garret Jones, and how do you tell him he’s now a platoon player?
How do you get Garret Jones, and how do you tell him he’s now a platoon player?
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Pirates love the Yankees farm system – and I tell Garrett that 1) you are under our control for the foreseeable future, 2) look at your splits – - – -
The Twins don’t want to trade Josh Willingham but there are multiple teams interested in the leftfielder, according to Phil Mackey of 1500 ESPN (via Twitter). An AL executive recently told Mackey that the club might not get much more than a No. 4 starter for Willingham, despite his team-friendly contract. Willingham is owed $14MM through 2014.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#fOE0xfTohDsLYukP.99
One exec tells Morosi (via Twitter) that this year’s Rule 5 draft class is one of the best that he has seen. The draft will take place on Thursday.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#fOE0xfTohDsLYukP.99
I agree with the theme of the post.
The Yankees should not be rushed into signing Ichiro.
If he moves on he moves on.
He is not a priority right now.
There are likely way better options out there.
Especially thru trade.
Please just get Heathcott playing in the bigs this year.
Everything I read about this kid gets me excited. Being toolsy is one thing, but this team could also use a little urgency and intensity in the line up.
And I don’t see anyway we trade for a catcher.. since anyone that is good defensively AND offensively AND cheap isn’t going to be on the block. Since the defense at C is the priority, I’d find a Molina somewhere (I’m sure there are still 5 or 6 of them we haven’t even met yet) and go with Cervi/Stewie/Molina until Romine gets settled.
And while I like Ichiro as a platoon player, I’ve only ever advocated signing him under the assumption he’d be a part of a 4 OFer tandem. If he’s in a rush, let him be in a rush.
I am hopeful that this might indicate Cash is going to try and work a trade for a RFer though… which is very exciting since they won’t let us be great and just buy someone.
My OS wish list :
Upton, Stanton, Cargo,Braun, or Gordon. A difference maker.
Jaso, AJ P., Ruiz, or Santana
Keppinger
Soria
Haren (if he’ll do a 1 yr. deal)
Surprise us Cashman.
any way*
Dang compound words…
Shame-
Heathcott is trade bait.
I agree Ichiro can wait for other possible options. If he goes elsewhere, so be it.
So no play by play of this year’s rappelling?
I really hope that Cashman does not take the band-aid approach.
He needs to aim higher.
He has the peices to score big.
Should already have several targets in mind to go with whatever suprises come his way at the WM.
And there definitely will be some. There always are.
I hope not MTU.. we need guys that want to be great. Heathcott wants to be great.
Dang.. I’ll parse it out:
Shame Spencer Your comment is awaiting moderation. December 2nd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
I’d also like to take this time to wish one, Miss Britney Spears, a very happy birthday. See.. mental illness is what won’t let Britney be great. That is a much more acceptable excuse than anything JLo has to offer. ‘Being great’ has been discussed here quite a bit so I thought I’d elaborate on the meaning with the above example and some new ones:
Where ‘Being Great’ began: The Kanye West Story – http://www.dlisted.com/node/30328
I hate to trade high upside young players unless a high quality young player comes back. I don’t want to lose Williams or Heathcott for a 35 year old with one year left on his contract.
Florida will not let Christian Slater be great – http://www.dlisted.com/2012/11…..r-be-great
Heathcott has only played at high A and that was only 60 games. He’ll start at AA this year where he’ll need to prove himself. AA is the proving grounds. Same with Austin and Flores. Williams will probably start at high A.
I would keep all of them unless the trade was for another very good outfielder, or an impact player. No platoon players, no mediocre pitchers, no short term solution.
The Oscars not letting Sacha Baron Cohen be great – http://www.dlisted.com/2012/02…..eat?page=2
“What if the Yanks decided to waive ARod in another couple of years. The team would still be required to pay the rest of his contract. But would he count against the team’s AAV per luxury tax purposes? Somehow, I doubt it.”
Yes it still would count
Shame-
yes he does. and he has the tools.
But what he doesn’t have is the right approach to staying healthy.
He’s already had 3 shoulder surgeries and more.
His style of play leads to injury and IMO will continue to do so.
I would sell high on him right now before he really hurts himself.
“I would keep all of them unless the trade was for another very good outfielder, or an impact player.”
Exactly what Heathcott could be part of a package to get us.
Trade him before he injures himself permanently. Sell high on him.
Baseball is not football.
Guy reminds me of a combo of ellsbury, GGBG, and lenny dyskstra.
very talented but will spend plenty of time on the DL.
The rain’s gone and its warm enough; ‘cum on N.Y.,” let’s go ” ( Cars, good Boston band ), bring your glove and ball, I’ve got bats in George’s Bellfry!
It’s gonna take a lot of luck to keep a guy like Heathcott healthy, and on the field.
Think about it.
How many guys his age have already had 3 or 4 surgeries mostly because of their style of play ?
what makes him exciting is also what makes him vulnerable.
keep Williams.
lose heathcott.
MTU, I would keep both of these guys for now until they have succeeded at the AA level.
I would trade Grandy and Hughes to get a SS/3B who is ML ready or a high-end prospect.
We will lose them anyhow better to move them now instead of getting draft choices a year from now.
With the payroll savings from letting Swisher go and trading Grandy, I would then sign Hamilton, Ichiro and Hairston to handle LF, RF and platoon
Likewise, I don’t hold up a trade over an Austin or Flores.
If one was demanded I simply keep the other.
I’m not about trying to keep them all.
The only guy I wouldn’t give up right now is Sanchez.
unless of course somebody offers me a posey, wieters, or the like for him.
Then he’s gone in a flash.
I know Heathcott may never live up to his potential because of his aggressive approach.. but I’d rather have a guy dying to get there at all costs than one like Andruw Jones.
I know the world’s OFers aren’t divided between Heathcotts and Andruws lol.. but I also dunno that Heathcott, given his background, is gonna be enough to get an important piece. He’d have to be packaged and probably won’t be the centerpiece which makes me weary. All depends on the deals though, of course. I think I’m just anxious to see something good happen from inside our system this year because if it doesn’t being a Yankee fan in 2014 will be interesting.
Heathcott made it through last year without new injuries. Maybe he’s learning to avoid walls. I think he likely has more power upside than Williams from what I have read.
Sign Hamilton and save your prospects.
Former poster here tyanks will not be happy. We discussed this possibility last year, and it looks like the Tampa Yanks may be relocating soon:
http://www.chronicleonline.com.....eague-team
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Expensive players are hard to move. Especially when they are controlled for only 1 season.
Guess the dodgers would take them. they want everybody.
I was just trying illustrate my approach to our MiLB resources, and trading.
I know many disagree. I understand. My view of the Farm is a little different than some.
I hope Cashman has a completely open mind.
Trading is the way forward for the Yankees IMo.
I do not wish to see them run-in-place this year. It’s not necessary FWIS.
@SamBorden
And game will do better rating than World Series RT @HaleMark: So far we’ve got 4 INT and 2 missed FG in a 0-0 tie between two 4-7 teams.
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At least being a Yankee fan will always be better than being a Jets fan…? Maybe??
I thought being a Cowboys fan was rough…
Yankee21,
Good plan.
i really like cargo but man his splits have to make you wonder. .735 ops on the road for his career (1.030 at home almost all at coors field.) last season the same thing, .300 points higher at coors than on the road.
I’d like to keep them, but I don’t think even Cash will trade our top prospects for anything but a young, cost-controlled bat. Here’s hoping. However, I still say Cash makes a deal for the above. We’ll see.
Shame, QFT; luckily for me, my broken ankle precludes my attending Jets games, at least for this year…
Shame, try being a Leaf fan, I was 9 months old when Dave Keon, Terry Sawchuk, Johnny Bower etc led the way; we haven’t even been in the friggin’ finals since ’67!
…that said, I am a Jets lifer, I am afraid…
Ocala, Florida is a pretty area with money coming from horse breeding. It is not far from where I grew up. I can check to see if my statue has been erected if I go there.
Shame-
if we make good trades you will have an exciting team this coming season.
You won’t have to wait for, or hope that Heathcott has fallen out of love with solid objects.
I almost don’t care what talent they keep. my approach is to have balance.
Don’t keep ‘em all. Don’t move ‘em all.
if they can find an impact player within their restrictions w/o giving up anyone so much the better.
But I doubt it because money is in shorter supply than prospects right now.
what I don’t want to see is a band-aid team when the whole AL East is even stronger.
And I don’t want to see the Yankees run in place. It’s not necessary IMO.
Ocala?
y’s-
They said a lot of the same things about Holliday.
Cargo is a great young hitter. I would love to have him.
I’ll take my chances.
Are you ready to trade him to me ?
Textbook tackle by Washington. He should be the Jets defensive coordinator.
As I am a Cowboys lifer… I just hate that I picked the Jets to like as my local team (way back when the internet was some crazy thing and I couldn’t see every Dallas game with some NFL package). I loved when Edwards was coaching that team. Herm couldn’t manage a clock to save his life but his character was one I liked more than anything Mangini or Rex have brought to the table. Thought Pennington had drawbacks but was much more reliable in the short game. And had/have an unhealthy crush on Wayne Chrebet to this day.
YF-
That ankle is going heal quickly and well.
You’ll be stealing bases again in no time.
My Winter Meetings trade wishlist:
Gardner, Nunez, Warren to the Twins for Morneau and Willingham
Three team deal with the Marlins and Royals:
Marlins get Granderson
Yankees get Logan Morrison from Miami and Lorenzo Cain from the Royals
Royals get Ricky Nolasco from the Marlins and cash from the Yankees.
My lineup in 2013:
Jeter
Cain – CF
Tex
Cano
Alex
Morneau – DH
Willingham – RF
LoMo – LF
Romine
That’s a big ‘if’ MTU lol… I know they all are, but this team and trades… they just haven’t given me much confidence. I think if any off-season was the year they’d do something crazy awesome in a trade, this might be it… so I will hope. But I will hope as cynics do: with a healthy dose of sarcasm and low expectations.
Shame,….help is on the way.
And YF-
Try not to hate me too much for being willing to trade some of our prospects.
Nobody probably noticed, but the Argonauts are world champions due to the fact it only took them 3 downs.
Shame-
I really expect little but just hope for a lot.
The Yankees recent track record is open to question.
I understand that.
But even a broken clock is right twice a day, right ?
they have the peices. they just need to use them a little more wisely.
It’s not impossible.
2:18 post was meant for YF.
Sorry. I have too many girfriends here.
MTU,…no need to reveal.
MTU – As long as they don’t trade for a catcher I think I’ll be happy. The idea of them giving up even a marginal piece for one would cause me to start some Occupy NYS movement. Santana is nice to have on the wishlist, but as fem said the other day, he isn’t an elite defender and that’s what we like.
Mills-
yeah. that’s how I get myself in LoHud trouble.
Not very smart.
I should be more subtle. like you.
Shame, my family goes back to the NY Titan days and have sat through the lows and the few highs. Try having seasons for example during the Rich Kotite years, and going to every game; we went 4-28… At least at the same time, the Yanks were finally back in the playoffs and starting the dynasty…
Thanks, MTU. I expect to regain my form, and revert to my 2011 stolen base stats.
As for the prospects, I will make trades if they are good trades. But I am not going to waste elite prospects for riff-raff or dreams…
jmills, those were some great Leafs teams though way back when, and definitely one one of the best uni’s in all of hockey. I’ve always loved the Maple Leaf away jersey.
YF is upset at the possibility that they would trade prospects for a good hitting catcher that isn’t a defensive wizard after they traded away Montero. Of course the difference is that Santan actually can catch, if not at an elite level, and he’s an established hitter.
Shame-
I do not think the Yankees are totally serious about going with what they have in-house.
I see it as a Bubba Crosby thing.
They could sign a FA like AJ P.
My current favorite does however require a trade so I’m sorry.
Of course I’ve been told I can’t have him and he isn’t available.
I want you all to know I’m doing work right now. From home. On Sunday. God’s day.
Since I know it appears as if I never do any real work, I figured I should have that in print somewhere lol
YF-
“I will make trades if they are good trades. But I am not going to waste elite prospects for riff-raff or dreams…”
same here. We are in total agreement then.
I’m happy now.
MTU, subtlety is my name Monday when I hit the good ground running ( I still owe you that Bench card, mon ami ) – YF, I have an all wool classic Leaf sweater with the name Kennedy on the back ( Jackie, eat your heart out and think about Maria Callas for a while ).
I would be happy with Santana but I would also be scratching my head a hundred times over. And if they have to give up key guys, which they will, it could cripple us at possibly two other areas/positions.
Whatevs.. hopefully we’ll get something cool for Christmas.
Shame-
You have an unusal concept of work.
But thanks for letting us know.
guess you are one heck of a multi-tasker.
ever try juggling ?
Shame-
Just to be clear. My favorite is NOT Santana.
Mine would cost a lot less and would be very effective in his role IMO.
Ha, I had Santana on my fantasy team in early 2010, anticipating that solid 2010 OPS, so I have always liked him. However, I am not Joe G. and Co. who would say he has no position. And define “actually catch:” is your evaluation based on catching defensive stats or your own personal analysis of his abilities. If the former, then you have to admit his PB’s were pretty horrible and you know Joe G. wants a gymnast who can do backward flips back there and block, block, block, which isn’t Carlos’s attribute… In the new Yankee way, I am sure we have already pencilled in JR over Sanchez, and Cleve. themselves has used the non-guitarist Carlos in over 150 or so games at 1B and DH, so wouldn’t we too think that he doesn’t have a position… Gosh, I think if a young switch-hitting Jorge Posada were in our system, right now with our new philosophy, we would have traded him or moved him to another position… Seriously sad.
But even a broken clock is right twice a day, right ?
they have the peices.
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when will you remember its i before e except after c? (as in ceiling)
maybe we can get the old posada back…
Shame, for Xmas, I’ve decided, I’m getting Villeneuve’s ’79 Ferrari.
YF, I have an all wool classic Leaf sweater with the name Kennedy on the back
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I approve.
YF-
Yeah. Overemphasis on D. Underemphasis on O.
They are not mutually exclusive.
Hasn’t it been a successful Yankee strategy to have an O advantage at up-the-middle positions ?
what happened to that ?
Guys like Girardi are a dime a dozen.
Guys like Jorge are rare.
mick, the Old Posada (not how is saying that productive) or the old catching philosophy? Do you prefer the new one?
*now how is that productive
Eric Chavez is planning on playing in 2013 according to his agent, reports Anthony McCarron of the New York Daily News.
“Chavy has no intention of retiring,” Scott Leventhal said. “We have spoken to and met with multiple clubs regarding his future in baseball.”
Leventhal, however, declined to comment about those conversations with the multiple clubs or about Chavez returning to the Yankees. Yankees GM Brian Cashman acknoweldged Friday he will be seeking depth for the left side of the infield.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....HmAXqzQ.99
Mick, where the hell have u been? When the Yanks finally throw us that banquet, I want to see ‘dem moves.
mick-
I’m frickin’ dyslexic.
happens to me all the time.
Brain goes faster than the fingers now.
Or maybe it’s that the fingers go faster than the brain ?
Whatever.
yf
i am not against a catcher who can hit.
a poor defensive catcher who can hit posada was not.
he might not have been great but was good enough.
now , of course, that brings us to montero.
many thought he was inadequate…
I’m frickin’ dyslexic.
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more likely you just can’t spell
“Actually catch” means he has done it a lot in the majors and been ok. He throws out around league avg % of basestealers. His pitch framing appears to be just a little below avg. His passed ball rate was high last year, but the two years previous not bad. Passed balls are minor. Martin had 9 passed balls last year anyway. He appears to be alright to me considering his offense. I don’t really care if Girardi wouldn’t like it.
And I would trade Sanchez as part of the trade for Santana as it would basically be like getting Sanchez in advance, with the guarantee that he is already a major leaguer.
mick, I agree that Posada was good enough D-wise, but I would bet that our new philosophy would have precluded letting him catch. As for the current discussion, we are talking about Santana, not Montero. Would you want Santana as your starting catcher?
Lol, MTU, I’m processing paperwork like a mofo. The systems just take a while to load which is actually how I do most of my posting during the week. It’s usually why I post like 5 things in a row and disappear for a bit.
I like Chavez a lot as a player/personality.. but it’s time to move on.
MTU, Glenn Gould owned the most exquisitely independent 10 fingers on earth.
Mick-
Actually I can do better if I take my time.
I know the rule you spoke of. Need to proofread my stuff more carefully.
At my age I don’t catch them all even then.
Sorry.
I would bet that our new philosophy would have precluded letting him catch. As for the current discussion, we are talking about Santana, not Montero. Would you want Santana as your starting catcher?
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I don’t agree it is our new philosophy. That was propaganda. As long as the catcher is adequate he will play at the right price, helps if he can hit a little. Haven’t seen enough of Santana to judge.
are there any Rule 5 Options out there that the Yanks might pick up to platoon with someone in RF?
Mick Jagger and Jimbo Morrison were / are rivals, but,…Jim never would’ve put makeup on!
At my age I don’t catch them all even then.
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You are not as ancient as you say you are
Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS
#reds gm walt jocketty is looking for an OF/leadoff man. will look at trades 1st, then FA market. victorino said on list
mills…would morrison still have that edge today?
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Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS
of all the teams that make sense for dickey, maybe #bluejays (w/ gose & arencibia) make most sense. http://
ichiro is really overplaying his hand. this is not the time where teams are going to concentrate on him. there are other, better options availble for corner outfield positions. as far as being a starter, ichiro is a back-up plan not a main player. some cruddy team might sign him now (the mets could sure use him) but the yankees, rangers and other teams who are in the hunt aren’t gonna settle for ichhiro as a starter until other options have been explored.
Eric Chavez is planning on playing in 2013 according to his agent, reports Anthony McCarron of the New York Daily News.
“Chavy has no intention of retiring,” Scott Leventhal said. “We have spoken to and met with multiple clubs regarding his future in baseball.”
Leventhal, however, declined to comment about those conversations with the multiple clubs or about Chavez returning to the Yankees. Yankees GM Brian Cashman acknoweldged Friday he will be seeking depth for the left side of the infield.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#95VsW3qtMo69DYVd.99
Santana has a team friendly contract, taking him through his arb years, so why would the Indians trade him unless they too don’t think he can catch…
Mick, absolutely, Morrison would not live without the edge.
Reds looking for an OF/lead off guy – - -Gardner, Granderson?
SB-
I’ll give ‘em GGBG for Bruce. Straight up.
If Pierzynski falls in our lap for a year he would hit 30 in the Stadium.
Could be true about Santana YF.
Mick, absolutely, Morrison would not live without the edge.
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He didn’t live long with it…
lomo would have to deactivate his twitter account before he comes into jeter’s clubhouse.
too bad posada’s not around to ‘enforce’ the unwritten rules…
mick, I don’t think it is propaganda; we very likely value the new catching metrics, a la Fast’s pitch framing/runs saved, over catcher offense. But let’s see what we do to fill our catching position, which will say a lot…
The Reds might be interested in Gardner, but I am hesitant to trade him. You could put Granderson in CF again, but what do you do for CF next year? Granderson is likely not being resigned, and no guarantee Heathcott or Williams will be ready. And what wouuld the Reds give us?
Mick,….paradox
yankeefeminista December 2nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Santana has a team friendly contract, taking him through his arb years, so why would the Indians trade him unless they too don’t think he can catch…
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Well, he can catch, but if the Indians want to trade him because they don’t like his catching, that’s fine with me… I’d be very happy to get Santana. He can play 1B alright too, so he could rest Tex also.
even though santana’s aav is around 6m i doubt hal would want to pay the 6m in 2015 or the 8.25m in 2016 when he has Romine and Sanchez in the wings.
im not a pierzynski fan but one thing about him i do like is that he doesn’t strike out alot. 78K’s last year was his career high.
MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
SB-
I’ll give ‘em GGBG for Bruce. Straight up.
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I’ll fly pay for Jay’s flight!!!
…and the McElroy era begins!
Ys Guy December 2nd, 2012 at 3:10 pm
…and the McElroy era begins!
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I don’t get the game – what happened?
mcelroy in for the jets..
santana’s #’s look alright maybe cleve has a prospect they like
Not saying this would happen – or if the Yanks should do it with the Reds or the Reds would even do anything – - -
Thoughts on: Billy Hamilton, Devin Mesoraco, Tony Cingrani – - – -
jets look inspired with mcelroy in….says something about sanchez?
Mesaraco is interesting because he was a pretty good prospect that most saw as a really good every day catcher but he’s struggled a lot in the big leagues offensively…..worth a gamble probably but I don’t know how much Id give up for him or how much better than Romine he’d actually be
Nate Schierholtz received calls from nine teams within the first 12 hours of being non-tendered with the Yankees in the mix and the Rays also a good fit (Twitter links).
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#ku2kI1sJj7bSXTjD.99
Some rival officials remain convinced the Diamondbacks will eventually trade Justin Upton, whose contract ($38.5MM due over the next three years) has become more attractive in the wake of his brother’s deal with the Braves.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#ku2kI1sJj7bSXTjD.99
The Indians have set the bar high in their demands for Asdrubal Cabrera and Shin-Soo Choo. “Time will tell on whether they’ve lowered (the asking prices),” said a rival GM.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#ku2kI1sJj7bSXTjD.99
@Buster_ESPN: Nine teams called on Nate Schierholtz within the first 12 hours after he was non-tendered. NYY, looking for a right fielder, are in the mix.
Meh
look how easy the jets score, amazing!
bye bye tebow/sanchez…idiotic dysfunctional team.
Who do you want for RF blake?
@JimBowdenESPNxm: Here are the teams that are “in” on Stephen Drew as of this hour: Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, Athletics and Tigers
@JimBowdenESPNxm: Yankees seriously concerned about declining range of both Jeter and A-Rod are working hard to get #Drew
mick December 2nd, 2012 at 3:22 pm
look how easy the jets score, amazing!
bye bye tebow/sanchez…idiotic dysfunctional team.
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I think Tebow is definitely gone because he hasn’t played that much and the whole thing is a distraction.
Who do you want for RF blake?
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I am going to guess his last name begins with a H – - – -
Power in the outfield sure didn’t help us in the postseason. I think it’s insane not to try and sign Ichiro on a short contract. They are not going to sign Hamilton.. those Steinbrenner days are gone.. The other option is trading and who are they most likely to trade.. a guy with power in the outfield in Granderson.
The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Who do you want for RF blake?
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I am going to guess his last name begins with a H – – – -
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Oh he like me is a fan of The Natural
@Joelsherman1: Been talk Yankees r in on S.Drew, but only makes sense if NYY know can play 3B and SS, and Drew willing to play 3b because need (cont)
Blake-
If they’re after Drew it says they think very little of Nunez and/or Nix, or that they might want to move Nunez in a deal.
Against All Odds says:
December 2, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Who do you want for RF blake?
I don’t know specifically….Id love to see Uptonoit there but I’m not sure how possible that is…..if they could pair Ichiro with a nice RH bat then that’s be fine in RF (as long as HAMILTON is in left )
If they are hard after Drew, that is bad news for Nunie.
MTU says:
December 2, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Blake-
If they’re after Drew it says they think very little of Nunez and/or Nix, or that they might want to move Nunez in a deal.
I don’t think they see Nunie as a guy that can play SS at an acceptable level….either that or as you say they think they might trade him
blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Against All Odds says:
December 2, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Who do you want for RF blake?
I don’t know specifically….Id love to see Uptonoit there but I’m not sure how possible that is…..if they could pair Ichiro with a nice RH bat then that’s be fine in RF (as long as HAMILTON is in left )
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I would like to see Upton as well but I know it’s not going to happen.
@Joelsherman1: protection for A-Rod and Jeter, but no sign yet Drew OK playing 3B. Possible #Yankees could deal Nunez, then Drew as backup SS makes sense
The Yankees don’t need Drew for 3b.
Nix can handle 3rd, and so can Adams.
Don’t see a match here.
The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Not saying this would happen – or if the Yanks should do it with the Reds or the Reds would even do anything – – -
Thoughts on: Billy Hamilton, Devin Mesoraco, Tony Cingrani – – – -
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I was just drooling over Cingrani myself…
Hamilton is probably practically untouchable. I don’t know why they don’t just bring the guy up for their CF and leadoff hitter.
sanchez is horrible. he used to be ok but not having any talent completely stunted him and his game fell apart.
tebow, who knows? the jets might have won more games with him at QB but they didnt want to. now that they’ve gone to mcelroy, it shows what a bad decision it was not to at least try tebow and see if he could win a game or two.
in any case, if the jets weren’t gonna let him be the backup, they shouldn’t have brought him here and/or he shouldn’t have come here.
they couldn’t have done much worse than they did sticking with sanchez this long.
“Hamilton is probably practically untouchable. I don’t know why they don’t just bring the guy up for their CF and leadoff hitter.”
Most think he’s about a year away with the bat….probably don’t wanna rush him until they know he’s ready to hit
MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 3:28 pm
The Yankees don’t need Drew for 3b.
Nix can handle 3rd, and so can Adams.
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Maybe packaging Adams
Hamilton is probably practically untouchable. I don’t know why they don’t just bring the guy up for their CF and leadoff hitter.
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I think I read the hit tool is not where they want it to be – - – -
blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:22 pm
@JimBowdenESPNxm: Here are the teams that are “in” on Stephen Drew as of this hour: Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, Athletics and Tigers
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Oooooo… tell me more Joel!
AAO-
Possible. But that still leaves Nix. No faith in Nunez at SS ?
Or maybe Nunez is on the move and they need a guy for SS ?
I was hoping for an upgrade to Keppinger for 2B/3B. Way better than Drew.
I didn’t mind Nix. I dunno… why not just go with Adams?
Trade Nunie for J Upton! Done
Shame-
Drew does nothing for me. Can’t see why the Yankees would be in on him.
There would seem to be better options.
MTU – I know it wouldn’t be the trade you had in mind lol… but when even the rumors are boring you know you’re in trubs!
agreed I think there are better options besides Drew
what do you guys think of Nate Schierholtz ??
That Colin guy for SF is pretty good
I think the Yankees need to concentrate their efforts on getting a good young stud OF’er.
They should aim high.
The ordinary guys will always be there.
I hope that’s exactly what Cashman is/will be doing.
Cash Consideration: An assignor Club that pays cash
consideration in lieu of assigning an unnamed player or to defray
all or part of the salary obligation of the assignee Club for an
assigned Player shall include such cash consideration in its Actual
Club Payroll in the Contract Year in which the cash consideration
is paid; provided, however, that any such cash consideration
included as part of a Player assignment made during the 2016
Contract Year but not payable until the 2017 Contract Year shall
be included in the assignor Club’s 2016 Actual Club Payroll to the
extent that the assignee Club does not have equivalent salary obli-gations under Player contracts obtained in the assignment in the
2017 championship season or beyond. Any cash consideration
that is, pursuant to the preceding sentence, included in the Actual
Club Payroll of the payor Club shall be subtracted from the Actual
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Club Payroll of the payee Club in the same Contract Year in which
it is added to the payor Club’s Actual Club Payroll
This is the component of the CBA that you guys were looking for. Contracts, as far as I can tell, have their AAV transfered with that value pro-rated if they traded mid-season. If you get cash or pay cash in a trade it is added as a separate debit or credit at the end of the year.
So the Pirates got AJ’s 16.5 AAV added to their roster for CBT purposes, but then received credits of 11 and 8.5 or whatever the yankees paid for each year. The Yankees meanwhile, added those to their general ledger. They both physically paid for the amounts in the cash they agreed to send, and spiritually paid for it in the amounts added to the CBT.
The aim should be to get a younger, better, cheaper version of Swisher.
oak2455 says:
December 2, 2012 at 3:43 pm
what do you guys think of Nate Schierholtz ??
4th outfielder
Nate did hit .287 .360 .466 .826 vs RHP in 2011 & .288 .340 .461 .801 vs RHP in 2012.
He would be the starting RF for this team, with the 4th OFer a RHer that would platoon with him. I would want someone better but the fact that Cashman was on the phone with his agent minutes after he got non-tendered means Cash smells a deal. We know how much he loves a good deal.
JF,
Ever any clarification if the AAV remains constant and no money exchanges hands? Lets say the Yankees did trade for Upton…..would the AAV remain around 8 million for the Yankees even after the deal?
That’s the thing nobody seems 100% sure about and it’s a fairly big deal as with Upton it could man the differenc in around 7 million bucks a year AAV towards the end on his contract
Nate isn’t as good as Swisher and I want somebody better…..
JF-
Who’s the Platoon partner/4th OF’er ?
Ichiro ?
Personally I’d like to see the Yankees aim higher than NS.
Nate might would outproduce Ichiro though as part of a platoon
oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 3:42 pm
agreed I think there are better options besides Drew
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You’re the same oak2455 on PSD right?
Here is an interesting thing I missed before:
Salary shall
include, without limitation, the value of non-cash compensation such
as the provision of personal translators, personal massage therapists,
and airfare and tickets exceeding normal Club allotments. Consistent
with the rules set out below, all compensation paid to a Player pur-suant to the terms of a Uniform Player’s Contract shall be attributa-ble to the Contract Year(s) in which the Player is required under the
Contract to render services to a Club as a baseball player, regardless
of how the compensation is characterized under the Contract.
Apparently the team has to monetize translators/luxury box tickets/limo rides/airplane tickets and count them too? Lol
Blake-
We find ourselves on the same side of things once again.
Hope your kid is feeling better.
You missed out on your opportunity to imitate Craig.
Oh well. maybe next year ?
Who’s the Platoon partner/4th OF’er ?
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It can’t be Ichiro because they would both play against the same split. It would have to be scott hairston or something. Barring a surprise, RF is going to be depressing next season. If they don’t make a trade or go all in on Hamilton or something I hope they just sign Ichiro so at least I can root for a player I like.
Ever any clarification if the AAV remains constant and no money exchanges hands? Lets say the Yankees did trade for Upton…..would the AAV remain around 8 million for the Yankees even after the deal?
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No clarification, really need to ask an MLBPA lawyer or MLB CBT’s people, but no one cares enough to do that and I certainly can’t! Maybe I will send them a letter.
If contracts are simply counted as AAV then you get the same price per year for the length of the contract. The only section referencing payment in a trade states that the 2 teams are obligated for their halves beginning on assignment. But half of an AAV based contract is going to be the same for each party. In a 1 year contract we can understand that clause to mean the team will be on the hook for a pro-rated portion of the 1 year deal.
There is nothing that really explains the trade of a multi-year contract.
MTU,
Me too…. It’s this time of year I guess….
Get ready for a Nate S/ Scott Hairston RF
AAO yes I am, who are you ?
JF-
Thanks.
That’s the basic band-aid RF. Hope that’s not the way they go.
I believe a big trade is possible.
I’m holding out hope for that over the next several weeks.
Aim high Cashman.
You can always settle latter on.
JF,
Maybe they didn’t specify because really nobody except the Yankees (and now Dodgers) really care about AAV…..it needs to be clear though because its a big deal for the Yanks if they trade for a back loaded contract
Getting a good Swisher replacement should be this season’s biggest priority.
Cobbling together a band-aid is not that.
Take your time Cashman. Guys like these will be around.
Aim higher.
Winter meetings will be exciting this year, but I just don’t know if they will be exciting for the Yankees.
Yea I think a lot of trades may go down…..the FA market is thin and a lot of teams seem to be wanting t improve
blake-
The way I look at things is that you fix the things you can when you can.
The Yankees have an opportunity to fix the hole Swisher created now.
Putting a band-aid on it will only leave the problem for next year.
Maybe in worse form since Grandy might be then.
Counting on prospects to fill holes is risky buisness.
They have already lost 50 hrs. of production. That’s a lot.
edit: be leaving
MTU,
It’s complicated though when you can’t spend money….
JF-
No reason they can’t be.
We have plenty to offer.
Blake-
That’s why I advocate trading.
Aren’t you paying attention ?
MTU,
That’s ain’t easy either when your best prospects are in A ball….but we’ll see
I read the CBT and my impression was that the AAV stays with the contract, even when traded.
@JonHeymanCBS: #orioles Duquette admits they “probably” won’t be able to try for Hamilton. Josh market a mystery. http://t.co/dZsMmCV0
4/100 with opt out after year 1….do it Cash
For trade, Yanks best prospects are A ballers, anyone closer is not highly rated, and then Hughes, Nova, Phelps, who all have issues (control remaining, performance, experience).
Blake-
Who said those are our only trade pieces ?
You ought to know better than that.
All that Cashman needs is an open mind.
I hope he makes every effort to find us a young, quaility player for the OF or 3B before he throws in the towel on a band-aid.
That’s all I ask. Aim high, work hard, explore all options first.
I’m confident he’ll do just that. Makes perfect sense to do so.
He can always settle later on.
I sent an email to the MLBPA asking about it, maybe they know.
At 4/100 I don’t think you need the opt out. No one is paying Hamilton more than 25 per even if he had a big year in 2013, considering his age and issues. I wouldn’t give him a no trade either. I don’t think it’s possible to put an escape clause in the contract for personal issues, the Player’s Union probably would not allow it.
MTU,
I’m not saying its impossible…just that Cash will have to get creative and be willing to actually give a lot to get the type player they need
Squat-
Open your mind a bit more. Expand your horizons.
There are other items of value to the right team that we can spare.
It’s a Package. Not a single player.
maybe part ML. Part MiLB.
No one guy has to be a superstar. maybe the combination fills significant needs for the other team ?
oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 4:05 pm
AAO yes I am, who are you ?
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Big City
Swisher should, if possible, be brought back. Ichiro as well. Granderson is odd man out. And there are catchers of considerable skill available ont he trade market.
I don’t know if you remember that name or not
“At 4/100 I don’t think you need the opt out. No one is paying Hamilton more than 25 per even if he had a big year in 2013, considering his age and issues”
If he had a good 2013 And ended it better than he did 2012 then he definately could get more than te 3/75 he’d have left…..at least in total money and more years…..players always opt out
MLB network counting down the longest Hrs of 2012…..no surprise Giancarlo was #1 with a 494 foot blast
Blake-
That goes w/o saying.
Has to be value for value.
So what ? One need filled for another. That’s exactly what trading is all about.
I think people under rate some of our players and prospects.
I think Cashman alluded to that the other day.
” I don’t think it’s possible to put an escape clause in the contract for personal issues, the Player’s Union probably would not allow it.”
I don’t think any team will sign him without some protective language regarding drugs in his contract
I also emailed Hal & Cashman to see if they’ll answer.
blake December 2nd, 2012 at 4:31 pm
” I don’t think it’s possible to put an escape clause in the contract for personal issues, the Player’s Union probably would not allow it.”
I don’t think any team will sign him without some protective language regarding drugs in his contract
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Can you give me one example where it was done? I don’t think the Union would allow it.
Can you give me one example where it was done? I don’t think the Union would allow it.
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Teams can put in clauses related to DL + specific injuries, so possible to include a clause for a specific health related thing.
I just ask that Cashman not take the easy way out before has to.
And then I think we can all be satisfied.
I’m out. I’ll catch you later.
I’m hoping the coming weeks will be exciting for us.
We’ll see.
MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Squat-
Open your mind a bit more. Expand your horizons.
There are other items of value to the right team that we can spare.
It’s a Package. Not a single player.
maybe part ML. Part MiLB.
No one guy has to be a superstar. maybe the combination fills significant needs for the other team ?
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I have realistic horizons. It’s fun to dream sometimes, but some of your trade wants are unrealistic.
“Can you give me one example where it was done? I don’t think the Union would allow it.”
Not really….but they can put clauses in contracts where guys can’t ski or ride motorcycles etc…. So I don’t see why they couldn’t put language to protect against illegal drug use
Maybe someone will answer you JF and clear this up
Squat-
I disagree but that’s what makes the World go round.
No offense but I hope Cashman takes my POV and aims high.
And doesn’t see that as unrealistic, or unattainable.
gonna find out I guess.
The likelihood of a clause being a contract is also highly related to a team willing to pay money and not include it. So its possible contracts that would have been approved by MLB were drafted up with those clauses, but that in the end some team was willing to not have one and so that was the one that ended up being given a shot.
I’ve only seen option years based on like arm injuries for pitchers. Never heard of anything to do with personal issues such as drug use, or ped use.
If a team can opt out due to a pitcher’s shoulder, I don’t see why they couldn’t opt out due to a player’s drug use.
if the yankees are going to go $25M per with an opt out it should be a mutual option.
Yea I don’t know how still the consequences would be ….but I do think whoever signs him will have some language to protect themselves against him relapsing….whether it could lead to the contract being voided I don’t know…..
If Hamilton’s handler would count against the payroll, he’s a no-go. They’re already on the hook for Kuroda’s translator, Arod’s crowd spotter, and (eventually) Pined’a designated driver.
Ys Guy says:
December 2, 2012 at 4:54 pm
if the yankees are going to go $25M per with an opt out it should be a mutual option.
He wouldn’t do that….that’s essentially a one year deal in guaranteed money. The reason an opt out makes sense is because it might entice him to take a shorter term deal….knowing that he could try again next year for a longer deal if he wanted.
Hamilton’s value is down a bit now from where it could have been cause of the way he finished the year…..if he had a good full 2013 season and then went back out on the market he might get more….who knows….
@BNightengale: The #Dodgers are letting teams know that shortstop Dee Gordon is available, who could be a nice fallback for teams who don’t sign Drew
Dunno how Dee Gordon is a nice fallback to anything?
.228 .280 .281 .561??
We should shop ramerio Pena as a fall back to drew
For any acquisition to work, the player’s contract situation matters. What are they willing to spend into 2014? If they will take reasonable contracts, moves are possible. Cashman suggested multi year deals aren’t totally out.
Much of the future look could be determined over these days or weeks ahead. Let’s hope for good foresight.
Multi years players shouldn’t be out if they make sense….cause while 1 year deals are nice and all…. It also leads to constant reshuffling of the deck and never any real long term solutions.
I hope Cashman is bold and at least looks at all te options both in and out of the box this week…..
May I be so bold as to suggest that the Yankees are looking for the best players at the positions they need to fill, at the most reasonable cost in players, prospects and treasure? They have a strategic aim to field a competitive team for a set sum of money, whatever that is. No more instant gratification, cost be damned. I find it refreshing. Let’s see what Cashman can do in this brave new world. I haven’t got a clue, but I bet he and his people have a pretty good idea of how to do it. This week is important, and fun, but not conclusive. Things change over time. I think I’ll just wait and see.
Tom,….carry on!
Drew seems pretty unlikely as he is a pretty good everyday shortstop or has been in the recent past. He played well for the A’s. He will want starter money and playing time.
@JimBowdenESPNxm: Adam LaRoche wanting 3 yrs…Nats claim they are not moving off of 2 yrs….sounds like 2 yrs and a club option will be the compromise
Sounds like Morse will be available….Morse for Nova?
@Joelsherman1: When comes to Drew, #Yankees remember #Diamondbacks asked to play 3b, Drew said no. Also SS in great need, Boras not lowering value (cont)
@Joelsherman1: By selling as utility type. #Yankees
@Ken_Rosenthal: Stan Kasten: “We are the opposite of the mystery team.” Meaning, everyone links the #Dodgers to everything.
I’d rather move Hughes than Nova. Just makes more sense to keep young starters with more years of control. Granted, Hughes has honed his consistency as a mid-rotation starter, just think Nova brings more value. Doubt the Yanks will extend Hughes.
If Hamilton’s handler would count against the payroll, he’s a no-go. They’re already on the hook for Kuroda’s translator, Arod’s crowd spotter, and (eventually) Pined’a designated driver.
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Maybe Steven Drew can perform these roles, too, as a super-utility guy. He may need to brush up on his Japanese.
“I’d rather move Hughes than Nova. Just makes more sense to keep young starters with more years of control. ”
Biggest problems there are. 1) Nova isn’t as good as Hughes 2) because Nova has more years of control he might be more attractive to some teams
That could also be why they sent Granderson to Asia. They’re always a couple steps ahead.
I would trade Hughes….but Id need to know he won’t do an affordable extension Nd Id also need to knowniI could sign somebody short term like McCarthy or Haren to replace him in the 2013 rotation….. Id rather extend him if it can be done cheaply
I’m surprised the Jets stuck with Sanchez this long. When a QB’s career completion rate is around 55% then the core problem lies with the player’s talent or lack thereof.
A very quality post by tomingeorgia. It’ll be interesting to hear what transpires at the baseball meetings.
AAO/ Bigcity are you still on PSD? And do you post in there anymore?
@JimBowdenESPNxm: Based on our interview with Larry Lucchino it’s obvious the Red Sox are “in” on Josh Hamilton, Mike Napoli and starting pitchers…#sxm
@DKnobler: Cardinals looking for 2B and left handed reliever
Cano for Oscar Taveras!
oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:06 pm
AAO/ Bigcity are you still on PSD? And do you post in there anymore?
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Yes I’m still on there and I post on there from time to time.
Red Sox could be dangerous again if they get Hamilton, Napoli, and all the starting pitchers.
Would any of you you be bothered if the redsox nabbed both Hamilton and Napoli?
blake December 2nd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
@JimBowdenESPNxm: Based on our interview with Larry Lucchino it’s obvious the Red Sox are “in” on Josh Hamilton, Mike Napoli and starting pitchers…#sxm
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Do you think JH market will surface at the meetings? Not saying he will get signed but things should definitely pick up.
Benny Blanco says:
December 2, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Would any of you you be bothered if the redsox nabbed both Hamilton and Napoli?
Their offense would be good….but their pitching still pretty bad
I post a little bit in the Yankee and Laker forums
Nilsson,
Thanks. Who knows what millions of dollars are flying around up in Nashville? The process is very messy, I’d imagine, but, like making sausage, the end product is the main concern. I think there is a very good deal, like Swisher’s, for the taking. Stealth, Mr. Cashman, pays dividends.
Id be surprised if Boston shed all that money just go sink a bunch into Hamilton….
Cards – 2b – any interest in Joseph or Adams???
The Cards have Kolten Wong coming….Id say they are just lookin for a stop gap type
I think I know who you are……funny…..whats going on?
Both Braves and Reds looking for leadoff types – - – -
Why don’t the Yankees give Tyler Austin a shot in RF along with give Austin Romine a shot at C?
Austin’s career splits are .331 / .406 / .553 / .969.
Assuming he doesn’t post 100 points or worse less in each category, we’re looking at minimum .232 / .307 / .454 / .761 from him in 2012.
He’s stolen 41 bases in 43 career stolen base attempts and had 7 outfield assists in 2012.
He just turned 21, would cost just the rookie minimum (as would Romine), and was promoted to Trenton last season (albeit he grabbed a very small cup of coffee there.)
A-Rod posted 18 HR and 57 RBI, Teixiera 24 HR and 84 RBI, Swisher 27 HR and 93 RBI for 69 HR and 234 from them in 2012.
The logic behind starting Austin is if A-Rod and Teixiera have bounce-back 2013s with modest increases in HR and RBI, that and Austin will make up for the loss of Swisher. If A-Rod posted Teixiera’s 2012 HR and RBI (9 HR 27 RBI improvement) and Teixiera posted 32 HR and 104 RBI (8 HR 20 RBI improvement), Austin would have to post only 13 HR and 46 RBI for him, A-Rod, and Teixiera to equal the HR and RBI production of 2012 A-Rod/Teixiera/Swisher. If Cano could post 3 more HR and 10 more RBI than he did in 2012 for 36 HR and 104 RBI in 2013 (why not?), then Austin has to post only 10 HR and 36 RBI for the Yanks to have the same amount of HR and RBI from their basemen and RF as they had in 2012.
The Cards have Kolten Wong coming….Id say they are just lookin for a stop gap type
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Well that answers that – no Carlos Martinez – shucks – - – -
Nothing much man. I see you’re no longer on there. We crossed paths on there a few times. You always kept the mood light on the board.
The Return of Stoneburner says:
December 2, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Both Braves and Reds looking for leadoff types – – – -
Add an outfielder and trade Gardner to one of them….,
Banned til the 20th………………………………………………….lmao……….said the Jets suck…….truth hurts some people
Both Braves and Reds looking for leadoff types – – – -
Add an outfielder and trade Gardner to one of them….,
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Braves would probably offer pitching
Reds – not sure
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“Do you resign Ichiro for one OF spot – and flip what you get from Braves/Reds as part of a deal for the other OF spot – – – – -”
I dunno….that’s complicated….the Braves def have some guys that would interest me ….but the Yanks have to get a legit outfielder first before you can think about trading either Gardy or Grandy
oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Banned til the 20th………………………………………………….lmao……….said the Jets suck…….truth hurts some people
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Banned til the 20th. That’s light you can do that standing on your head.
We need an OF’er.
Why would trade one ?
Especially a guy like GGBG who is cheap, relatively young, and somewhat proven.
You do that and you need to fill 2 holes instead of just 1.
Who are the replacements ?
sign Itchy…….. please
oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:40 pm
sign Itchy…….. please
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It looks like Ichiro is their back up option
Why should we be in a rush to re-sign Ichiro ?
There are plenty of other options that need to be considered first.
Like? he is an easy get
There are plenty of other options that need to be considered first.
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That’s what it looks like MTU. It looks like they want to at least see what’s out there. Did anyone think Kuroda, Andy, and Mo would all be re-signed so soon and Ichiro would still be waiting
oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Like? he is an easy get
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He is an easy get but based on what has been reported over the past few days the Yankees are looking else where first. Most of us have been screaming for them to make a real upgrade in the outfield and it looks like for now they are hoping to do that.
hello Josh
austin has all of 2 games above A ball. at this point you don’t know that he can hack aa, let alone the AL East.
romine was healthy enough to manage 31 games last year.
the yankees aren’t handing these guys starting positions.
Who are the replacements ?
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I suppose sign Ichiro – and then the prospect you get back for Gardner – you deal as part of a deal for an OF – but i guess it depends on how much you value Gardner and whether the other OFer is an upgrade over Gardner and still cost controlled – - – -
Yes. He’s an easy get and he’s 39 yrs. old.
I’m looking for a true Swisher replacement who is younger, better, and cheaper. and who solves longer term problems.
Until I’ve exhausted the market I don’t worry about Ichiro.
Who ?
Has Upton been traded yet ?
Is Schierholz-Hairston over ?
Would the Royals consider trading Gordon ?
And any other things Cashman might come across at the WM.
That’s who.
Just because a guy is an easy get doesn’t mean we should jump.
If he doesn’t want to wait he can move on.
“Why would trade one ?”
You wouldn’t unless you added one first ….lets say they traded for or signed one of the outfielders we’ve been talking about…..then made a RF platoon with Ichiro and a RH bat……then you could shop Gardner or Granderson to fill other needs
Austin not in 2013 – but could be a real possibility in 2014 – he is hit at each level to date – and hopefully power will come – and a nice story as a c@ncer survivor – - – -
I just think hes a good fit, but I think they go big in RF too…………………
For example…..
Sign Hamilton
Sign Ichiro and Hairston
Then Trade Granderson or Gardner…..Braves could use either and you ask for Ahmed and Delgado or something like that….of you ask for Mesoroaco + from the Reds….etc…..
Blake-
OK. That was not clear before.
But then you have 2 problems to solve rather than one.
Focus on getting a good solid Swisher replacement.
Shouldn’t have to involve GGBG to do that.
Sources tell FoxSports.com’s Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal the Reds like Dexter Fowler and the Rockies like Homer Bailey. Now the question is whether their mutual interest crystallizes into trade discussions during the Winter Meetings.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#PjDxxPCyX10cmQgY.99
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Well – Reds seem to have their number one target for leadoff – - – -
Fowler should be worth a lot more than Homer Bailey
Blake-
I do not think the Yankees are signing Hamilton.
Too expensive and too much risk.
And I don’t think they are bold enough to try to move Grandy now.
What you are suggesting is IMO a highly unlikely scenario.
It does not seem to fit with the Yankee way or their current MO.
“Focus on getting a good solid Swisher replacement.”
I agree….have to do that first…. But then from there you look to see if you can use what you have to til other needs
“What you are suggesting is IMO a highly unlikely scenario.”
So is trading for Justin Upton
Bowden saying on radio that something feels like its brewing with the Dodgers…..probably about to give Greinke enough to erase the national debt
cool the Dodgers in a few years will be screwed……..lol
Blake-
The only other need they really have IMO is a better catcher.
They can get Jaso, or AJ P, or Ruiz for that.
Sanchez is on the way.
As you pointed out, and I wholeheartedly agree, a Jaso/Romine pairing would be excellent.
I don’t care what Rosy says. I don’t think it would be all that difficult to pry Jaso away from the M’s.
Actually I think it would be fairly easy because we have some thing they need even more than him.
Fowler should be worth a lot more than Homer Bailey
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Possibly – but I could see a GM also telling O’Dowd about Fowler’s splits.
http://www.fangraphs.com/fanta.....ut-barely/
In 2013, Fowler has a good chance to see a regression in both batting average and home runs, while only the potential for additional at-bats will lead to more stolen bases. Given that he didn’t stand out in any category this past season, he may not be drastically overvalued, but you won’t be able to get him as a late round flyer anymore.
Actually I think it would be fairly easy because we have some thing they need even more than him.
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What offensive pieces are you offering to pry Jaso away?
“I don’t care what Rosy says. I don’t think it would be all that difficult to pry Jaso away from the M’s.”
I don’t think it’s be easy….it would take a good offer for then to move him I think
Blake-
Upton is not unlikely. He’s on the block.
Question is do we have enough to get him ?
I say we might.
Not totally out of the question.
What offensive pieces are you offering to pry Jaso away?
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Only one I can think of is Grandy but that would be an overpay
I think Cash needs to call up Towers and Cleveland and see if they can work a 3 way
“Question is do we have enough to get him ?”
Unless they involve a 3rd team it’s tough to see a match….that’s why I think it’s unlikely
MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Blake-
Upton is not unlikely. He’s on the block.
Question is do we have enough to get him ?
I say we might.
Not totally out of the question.
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I don’t think we have the pieces but hey sometimes you never know. We’ve seen trades where guys are given away and other deals where guys are overpaid
Blake-
We can make that “good” offer w/o it hurting us much.
You don’t think they’d prefer Nunez to he weak hitting ss they have now.
Just for example.
Or Adams over what they have at 2B ?
Rosy thinks the whole team should be composed of internal Farm options.
If there Farm was all that good they might actually be able to produce a significant O.
I say we give them a little help in some different areas.
Only one I can think of is Grandy but that would be an overpay
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Would take a package of Jaso, Mauer, and Saunders/or Trufinel?
“Over 553 plate appearances, Saunders hit 19 home runs, stole 21 bases, hitting 31 doubles and three triples. His .247/.306/.432 line could use some improvement but there were enough positives in his 2012 season that Saunders stands towards the front of the line of post-hype sleepers coming into 2013.”
http://www.fangraphs.com/fanta.....akes-good/
Mr. MTU,
Admire your optimism. I’ll have what you’re having.
@Joelsherman1: #Orioles downplaying publicly, but execs talk with Bal feel it will make significant play for Hamilton
Blake-
Exactly my point.
Towers knows our system really well.
Maybe he covets some of our guys ?
He may see things way differently than we do.
Upton is definitely not out of the question IMO.
I’m not saying we’re the front runners but I think we ould have a shot.
Especially if Cashman wants to be creative as you say.
“You don’t think they’d prefer Nunez to he weak hitting ss they have now.”
In think they’d probably prefer to keep their current SS who can catch the ball and their best hitter last year over Nunie
Joelsherman1 #Dodgers viewed as Greinke front runner. If they land, and maybe even if don’t can move extra SP, probably Capuano
MTU,
I don’t think it’s impossible……I just don’t know if Cashman will go to the level it’d take and if KT has to have a SS or 3b then they’ll have to involve a 3rd team…..the Indians make some sense
Zuchini isn’t ready and they’re not going to want a catching platoon of Montero and whatever catcher we sent to Seattle, sooooooo…. I don’t know why they’d want to give us Jaso.
oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 pm
cool the Dodgers in a few years will be screwed……..lol
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It’s a risk they are willing to take
Mister Tom-
All I’m doing is not selling our players, prospects, or GM short before I see what happens.
People do not realize that GM’s see things way differently than we do.
They are thousands of times more sophisticated and knowledgeable.
The result of that is they sometimes do things which surprise us armchair types.
I hoping for that. All I expect is a good effort.
Results cannot be guaranteed but options should definitely be throughly explored before throwing in the towel.
@Joelsherman1: #Nationals in on Greinke, if fail there watch them on #Rays Shields using bats like Espinosa and Morse/Moore, Also some interest in Anibal
Granderson – Mariners – Paxton/Mauer, Saunders, Trufinel/Ryan
Nick-
Because we can give them a replacement catcher as well as other things they might need.
Jaso is good not great.
I want him because he would fit well for us. In return I am willing to offer other things that Mr. Z needs.
Guys who may be better than what he has.
Why wouldn’t he consider that ?
Would Morse interest the Rays with just one year from FA?
New thread —>
I’m kind of suspicious that the M’s would go with Jaso and Montero as their only catchers as well — they seem to have PARTED WAYS with Olivo — so I do wonder what their plan is. Were they really contemplating Russ Martin or was that an unfounded rumor? Do they think Zamboni might come up during the season, like Buster Posey did in 2010? What is really going on behind the plate in Seattle????
MTU,
Maybe you were gone, but I basically said the same thing. Give it our best shot now, and see what we can do. As they say down here, I’m in complete agreeance with you. Let’s see what happens. We can always shore up in February, if there’s nothing there.
” People do not realize that GM’s see things way differently than we do.
They are thousands of times more sophisticated and knowledgeable.”
Speaking for yourself of course. I do not feel Cashman is anymore sophisticated than me or many on here on Lohud. Especially taking into account his total lapse in judgment with his personal life recently. And the only reason he has more knowledge is because of his job, put Blake or YF or yourself in his job and you would have the same knowledge.
if the Braves and the Reds are looking for a lead-off hitter offer up Gardner & another piece and see what they bring back….please
maybe Gardner & ? ca bring back Martin Prado
how about Gardner and Nunez for Zack Cozart