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Ichiro exploring other options

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 02, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian Cashman has put right field at the top of his priority list.

Ichiro Suzuki has put other teams into the mix.

A week after saying he was willing to wait for the Yankees, Ichiro’s agent has now told the New York Post that Ichiro is ready to take any other option he likes.

“At the beginning we talked (to the Yankees) a lot but since that time, zero,” Tony Attanasio said. “As far as we are concerned we don’t care what the Yankees do. We have had conversations with multiple clubs. If we see something we like he will go through with it.”

It’s worth noting that the corner outfield market is nothing like the catching market. There are actually quite a few solid outfielders available. The biggest names (Josh Hamilton, Michael Bourn, maybe even Shane Victorino) probably don’t fit the Yankees financial plans, but guys like Ryan Ludwick, Cody Ross, Nate Schierholtz, Scott Hairston, Raul Ibanez, etc., could either handle the job alone or fit into a platoon situation.

Ichiro would give the Yankees an entirely left-handed outfield, and it’s worth remembering that he was pretty bad for a full year and a half before coming to New York last season. He’s not a bad option for right field, I’m just not sure he’s a must-have. The fact he’s shopping around shouldn’t lead to some sort of panic move from the Yankees.

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417 Responses to “Ichiro exploring other options”

  1. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Can you do a RF platoon of Garrett Jones/Scott Hairston?

  2. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    How do you get Garret Jones, and how do you tell him he’s now a platoon player?

  3. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    How do you get Garret Jones, and how do you tell him he’s now a platoon player?

    ***

    Pirates love the Yankees farm system – and I tell Garrett that 1) you are under our control for the foreseeable future, 2) look at your splits – - – -

  4. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    The Twins don’t want to trade Josh Willingham but there are multiple teams interested in the leftfielder, according to Phil Mackey of 1500 ESPN (via Twitter). An AL executive recently told Mackey that the club might not get much more than a No. 4 starter for Willingham, despite his team-friendly contract. Willingham is owed $14MM through 2014.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#fOE0xfTohDsLYukP.99

  5. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    One exec tells Morosi (via Twitter) that this year’s Rule 5 draft class is one of the best that he has seen. The draft will take place on Thursday.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#fOE0xfTohDsLYukP.99

  6. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    I agree with the theme of the post.

    The Yankees should not be rushed into signing Ichiro.

    If he moves on he moves on.

    He is not a priority right now.

    There are likely way better options out there.

    Especially thru trade.

    ;)

  7. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Please just get Heathcott playing in the bigs this year.

    Everything I read about this kid gets me excited. Being toolsy is one thing, but this team could also use a little urgency and intensity in the line up.

    And I don’t see anyway we trade for a catcher.. since anyone that is good defensively AND offensively AND cheap isn’t going to be on the block. Since the defense at C is the priority, I’d find a Molina somewhere (I’m sure there are still 5 or 6 of them we haven’t even met yet) and go with Cervi/Stewie/Molina until Romine gets settled.

    And while I like Ichiro as a platoon player, I’ve only ever advocated signing him under the assumption he’d be a part of a 4 OFer tandem. If he’s in a rush, let him be in a rush.

    I am hopeful that this might indicate Cash is going to try and work a trade for a RFer though… which is very exciting since they won’t let us be great and just buy someone.

  8. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    My OS wish list :

    Upton, Stanton, Cargo,Braun, or Gordon. A difference maker.

    Jaso, AJ P., Ruiz, or Santana

    Keppinger

    Soria

    Haren (if he’ll do a 1 yr. deal)

    Surprise us Cashman.

    ;)

  9. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    any way*

    Dang compound words…

  10. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Shame-

    Heathcott is trade bait.

  11. austinmac December 2nd, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    I agree Ichiro can wait for other possible options. If he goes elsewhere, so be it.

    So no play by play of this year’s rappelling?

  12. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    I really hope that Cashman does not take the band-aid approach.

    He needs to aim higher.

    He has the peices to score big.

    Should already have several targets in mind to go with whatever suprises come his way at the WM.

    And there definitely will be some. There always are.

    ;)

  13. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    I hope not MTU.. we need guys that want to be great. Heathcott wants to be great.

  14. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Dang.. I’ll parse it out:

    Shame Spencer Your comment is awaiting moderation. December 2nd, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    I’d also like to take this time to wish one, Miss Britney Spears, a very happy birthday. See.. mental illness is what won’t let Britney be great. That is a much more acceptable excuse than anything JLo has to offer. ‘Being great’ has been discussed here quite a bit so I thought I’d elaborate on the meaning with the above example and some new ones:

    Where ‘Being Great’ began: The Kanye West Story – http://www.dlisted.com/node/30328

  15. austinmac December 2nd, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    I hate to trade high upside young players unless a high quality young player comes back. I don’t want to lose Williams or Heathcott for a 35 year old with one year left on his contract.

  16. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Florida will not let Christian Slater be great – http://www.dlisted.com/2012/11…..r-be-great

  17. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Heathcott has only played at high A and that was only 60 games. He’ll start at AA this year where he’ll need to prove himself. AA is the proving grounds. Same with Austin and Flores. Williams will probably start at high A.

    I would keep all of them unless the trade was for another very good outfielder, or an impact player. No platoon players, no mediocre pitchers, no short term solution.

  18. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    The Oscars not letting Sacha Baron Cohen be great – http://www.dlisted.com/2012/02…..eat?page=2

  19. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    “What if the Yanks decided to waive ARod in another couple of years. The team would still be required to pay the rest of his contract. But would he count against the team’s AAV per luxury tax purposes? Somehow, I doubt it.”

    Yes it still would count

  20. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Shame-

    yes he does. and he has the tools.

    But what he doesn’t have is the right approach to staying healthy.

    He’s already had 3 shoulder surgeries and more.

    His style of play leads to injury and IMO will continue to do so.

    I would sell high on him right now before he really hurts himself.

    ;)

  21. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    “I would keep all of them unless the trade was for another very good outfielder, or an impact player.”

    Exactly what Heathcott could be part of a package to get us.

    Trade him before he injures himself permanently. Sell high on him.

    Baseball is not football.

    Guy reminds me of a combo of ellsbury, GGBG, and lenny dyskstra.

    very talented but will spend plenty of time on the DL.

  22. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    The rain’s gone and its warm enough; ‘cum on N.Y.,” let’s go ” ( Cars, good Boston band ), bring your glove and ball, I’ve got bats in George’s Bellfry!

  23. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    It’s gonna take a lot of luck to keep a guy like Heathcott healthy, and on the field.

    Think about it.

    How many guys his age have already had 3 or 4 surgeries mostly because of their style of play ?

    what makes him exciting is also what makes him vulnerable.

    ;)

  24. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    keep Williams.

    lose heathcott.

  25. yankee21 December 2nd, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    MTU, I would keep both of these guys for now until they have succeeded at the AA level.

    I would trade Grandy and Hughes to get a SS/3B who is ML ready or a high-end prospect.
    We will lose them anyhow better to move them now instead of getting draft choices a year from now.

    With the payroll savings from letting Swisher go and trading Grandy, I would then sign Hamilton, Ichiro and Hairston to handle LF, RF and platoon

  26. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Likewise, I don’t hold up a trade over an Austin or Flores.

    If one was demanded I simply keep the other.

    I’m not about trying to keep them all.

    The only guy I wouldn’t give up right now is Sanchez.

    unless of course somebody offers me a posey, wieters, or the like for him.

    Then he’s gone in a flash.

    ;)

  27. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    I know Heathcott may never live up to his potential because of his aggressive approach.. but I’d rather have a guy dying to get there at all costs than one like Andruw Jones.

    I know the world’s OFers aren’t divided between Heathcotts and Andruws lol.. but I also dunno that Heathcott, given his background, is gonna be enough to get an important piece. He’d have to be packaged and probably won’t be the centerpiece which makes me weary. All depends on the deals though, of course. I think I’m just anxious to see something good happen from inside our system this year because if it doesn’t being a Yankee fan in 2014 will be interesting.

  28. austinmac December 2nd, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    Heathcott made it through last year without new injuries. Maybe he’s learning to avoid walls. I think he likely has more power upside than Williams from what I have read.

    Sign Hamilton and save your prospects.

  29. yankeefeminista December 2nd, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Former poster here tyanks will not be happy. We discussed this possibility last year, and it looks like the Tampa Yanks may be relocating soon:

    http://www.chronicleonline.com.....eague-team

  30. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    21-

    Expensive players are hard to move. Especially when they are controlled for only 1 season.

    Guess the dodgers would take them. they want everybody.

    I was just trying illustrate my approach to our MiLB resources, and trading.

    I know many disagree. I understand. My view of the Farm is a little different than some.

    I hope Cashman has a completely open mind.

    Trading is the way forward for the Yankees IMo.

    I do not wish to see them run-in-place this year. It’s not necessary FWIS.

    ;)

  31. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    @SamBorden

    And game will do better rating than World Series RT @HaleMark: So far we’ve got 4 INT and 2 missed FG in a 0-0 tie between two 4-7 teams.

    ——————-

    At least being a Yankee fan will always be better than being a Jets fan…? Maybe??

    I thought being a Cowboys fan was rough…

  32. austinmac December 2nd, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Yankee21,

    Good plan.

  33. Ys Guy December 2nd, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    i really like cargo but man his splits have to make you wonder. .735 ops on the road for his career (1.030 at home almost all at coors field.) last season the same thing, .300 points higher at coors than on the road.

  34. yankeefeminista December 2nd, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    I’d like to keep them, but I don’t think even Cash will trade our top prospects for anything but a young, cost-controlled bat. Here’s hoping. However, I still say Cash makes a deal for the above. We’ll see.

  35. yankeefeminista December 2nd, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Shame, QFT; luckily for me, my broken ankle precludes my attending Jets games, at least for this year…

  36. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Shame, try being a Leaf fan, I was 9 months old when Dave Keon, Terry Sawchuk, Johnny Bower etc led the way; we haven’t even been in the friggin’ finals since ’67!

  37. yankeefeminista December 2nd, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    …that said, I am a Jets lifer, I am afraid…

  38. austinmac December 2nd, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Ocala, Florida is a pretty area with money coming from horse breeding. It is not far from where I grew up. I can check to see if my statue has been erected if I go there. :)

  39. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Shame-

    if we make good trades you will have an exciting team this coming season.

    You won’t have to wait for, or hope that Heathcott has fallen out of love with solid objects.

    I almost don’t care what talent they keep. my approach is to have balance.

    Don’t keep ‘em all. Don’t move ‘em all.

    if they can find an impact player within their restrictions w/o giving up anyone so much the better.

    But I doubt it because money is in shorter supply than prospects right now.

    what I don’t want to see is a band-aid team when the whole AL East is even stronger.

    And I don’t want to see the Yankees run in place. It’s not necessary IMO.

  40. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Ocala?

  41. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    y’s-

    They said a lot of the same things about Holliday.

    Cargo is a great young hitter. I would love to have him.

    I’ll take my chances.

    Are you ready to trade him to me ?

    ;)

  42. yankeefeminista December 2nd, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Textbook tackle by Washington. He should be the Jets defensive coordinator.

  43. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    As I am a Cowboys lifer… I just hate that I picked the Jets to like as my local team (way back when the internet was some crazy thing and I couldn’t see every Dallas game with some NFL package). I loved when Edwards was coaching that team. Herm couldn’t manage a clock to save his life but his character was one I liked more than anything Mangini or Rex have brought to the table. Thought Pennington had drawbacks but was much more reliable in the short game. And had/have an unhealthy crush on Wayne Chrebet to this day.

  44. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    YF-

    That ankle is going heal quickly and well.

    You’ll be stealing bases again in no time.

    ;)

  45. Chip December 2nd, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    My Winter Meetings trade wishlist:

    Gardner, Nunez, Warren to the Twins for Morneau and Willingham

    Three team deal with the Marlins and Royals:

    Marlins get Granderson
    Yankees get Logan Morrison from Miami and Lorenzo Cain from the Royals
    Royals get Ricky Nolasco from the Marlins and cash from the Yankees.

    My lineup in 2013:

    Jeter
    Cain – CF
    Tex
    Cano
    Alex
    Morneau – DH
    Willingham – RF
    LoMo – LF
    Romine

  46. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    That’s a big ‘if’ MTU lol… I know they all are, but this team and trades… they just haven’t given me much confidence. I think if any off-season was the year they’d do something crazy awesome in a trade, this might be it… so I will hope. But I will hope as cynics do: with a healthy dose of sarcasm and low expectations.

  47. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Shame,….help is on the way.

  48. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    And YF-

    Try not to hate me too much for being willing to trade some of our prospects.

    :(

  49. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Nobody probably noticed, but the Argonauts are world champions due to the fact it only took them 3 downs.

  50. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Shame-

    I really expect little but just hope for a lot.

    The Yankees recent track record is open to question.

    I understand that.

    But even a broken clock is right twice a day, right ?

    they have the peices. they just need to use them a little more wisely.

    It’s not impossible.

    :)

  51. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    2:18 post was meant for YF.

    Sorry. I have too many girfriends here.

    :(

  52. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    MTU,…no need to reveal.

  53. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    MTU – As long as they don’t trade for a catcher I think I’ll be happy. The idea of them giving up even a marginal piece for one would cause me to start some Occupy NYS movement. Santana is nice to have on the wishlist, but as fem said the other day, he isn’t an elite defender and that’s what we like.

  54. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Mills-

    yeah. that’s how I get myself in LoHud trouble.

    Not very smart.

    I should be more subtle. like you.

    :)

  55. yankeefeminista December 2nd, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Shame, my family goes back to the NY Titan days and have sat through the lows and the few highs. Try having seasons for example during the Rich Kotite years, and going to every game; we went 4-28… At least at the same time, the Yanks were finally back in the playoffs and starting the dynasty… :)

    Thanks, MTU. I expect to regain my form, and revert to my 2011 stolen base stats. ;) As for the prospects, I will make trades if they are good trades. But I am not going to waste elite prospects for riff-raff or dreams…

    jmills, those were some great Leafs teams though way back when, and definitely one one of the best uni’s in all of hockey. I’ve always loved the Maple Leaf away jersey. :)

  56. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    YF is upset at the possibility that they would trade prospects for a good hitting catcher that isn’t a defensive wizard after they traded away Montero. Of course the difference is that Santan actually can catch, if not at an elite level, and he’s an established hitter.

  57. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Shame-

    I do not think the Yankees are totally serious about going with what they have in-house.

    I see it as a Bubba Crosby thing.

    They could sign a FA like AJ P.

    My current favorite does however require a trade so I’m sorry.

    Of course I’ve been told I can’t have him and he isn’t available.

    ;)

  58. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    I want you all to know I’m doing work right now. From home. On Sunday. God’s day.

    Since I know it appears as if I never do any real work, I figured I should have that in print somewhere lol :D

  59. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    YF-

    “I will make trades if they are good trades. But I am not going to waste elite prospects for riff-raff or dreams…”

    same here. We are in total agreement then.

    I’m happy now.

    :)

  60. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    MTU, subtlety is my name Monday when I hit the good ground running ( I still owe you that Bench card, mon ami ) – YF, I have an all wool classic Leaf sweater with the name Kennedy on the back ( Jackie, eat your heart out and think about Maria Callas for a while ).

  61. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    I would be happy with Santana but I would also be scratching my head a hundred times over. And if they have to give up key guys, which they will, it could cripple us at possibly two other areas/positions.

    Whatevs.. hopefully we’ll get something cool for Christmas.

  62. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Shame-

    You have an unusal concept of work.

    But thanks for letting us know.

    guess you are one heck of a multi-tasker.

    ever try juggling ?

    :)

  63. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Shame-

    Just to be clear. My favorite is NOT Santana.

    Mine would cost a lot less and would be very effective in his role IMO.

  64. yankeefeminista December 2nd, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Ha, I had Santana on my fantasy team in early 2010, anticipating that solid 2010 OPS, so I have always liked him. However, I am not Joe G. and Co. who would say he has no position. And define “actually catch:” is your evaluation based on catching defensive stats or your own personal analysis of his abilities. If the former, then you have to admit his PB’s were pretty horrible and you know Joe G. wants a gymnast who can do backward flips back there and block, block, block, which isn’t Carlos’s attribute… In the new Yankee way, I am sure we have already pencilled in JR over Sanchez, and Cleve. themselves has used the non-guitarist Carlos in over 150 or so games at 1B and DH, so wouldn’t we too think that he doesn’t have a position… Gosh, I think if a young switch-hitting Jorge Posada were in our system, right now with our new philosophy, we would have traded him or moved him to another position… Seriously sad.

  65. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    But even a broken clock is right twice a day, right ?

    they have the peices.
    =======================
    when will you remember its i before e except after c? (as in ceiling)

  66. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    maybe we can get the old posada back…

  67. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Shame, for Xmas, I’ve decided, I’m getting Villeneuve’s ’79 Ferrari.

  68. yankeefeminista December 2nd, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    YF, I have an all wool classic Leaf sweater with the name Kennedy on the back
    _____
    I approve. :)

  69. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    YF-

    Yeah. Overemphasis on D. Underemphasis on O.

    They are not mutually exclusive.

    Hasn’t it been a successful Yankee strategy to have an O advantage at up-the-middle positions ?

    what happened to that ?

    Guys like Girardi are a dime a dozen.

    Guys like Jorge are rare.

  70. yankeefeminista December 2nd, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    mick, the Old Posada (not how is saying that productive) or the old catching philosophy? Do you prefer the new one?

  71. yankeefeminista December 2nd, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    *now how is that productive

  72. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    Eric Chavez is planning on playing in 2013 according to his agent, reports Anthony McCarron of the New York Daily News.

    “Chavy has no intention of retiring,” Scott Leventhal said. “We have spoken to and met with multiple clubs regarding his future in baseball.”

    Leventhal, however, declined to comment about those conversations with the multiple clubs or about Chavez returning to the Yankees. Yankees GM Brian Cashman acknoweldged Friday he will be seeking depth for the left side of the infield.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....HmAXqzQ.99

  73. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    Mick, where the hell have u been? When the Yanks finally throw us that banquet, I want to see ‘dem moves.

  74. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    mick-

    I’m frickin’ dyslexic.

    happens to me all the time.

    Brain goes faster than the fingers now.

    :(

  75. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Or maybe it’s that the fingers go faster than the brain ?

    Whatever.

    :)

  76. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    yf
    i am not against a catcher who can hit.
    a poor defensive catcher who can hit posada was not.
    he might not have been great but was good enough.
    now , of course, that brings us to montero.
    many thought he was inadequate…

  77. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    I’m frickin’ dyslexic.
    =============
    more likely you just can’t spell ;)

  78. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    “Actually catch” means he has done it a lot in the majors and been ok. He throws out around league avg % of basestealers. His pitch framing appears to be just a little below avg. His passed ball rate was high last year, but the two years previous not bad. Passed balls are minor. Martin had 9 passed balls last year anyway. He appears to be alright to me considering his offense. I don’t really care if Girardi wouldn’t like it.

    And I would trade Sanchez as part of the trade for Santana as it would basically be like getting Sanchez in advance, with the guarantee that he is already a major leaguer.

  79. yankeefeminista December 2nd, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    mick, I agree that Posada was good enough D-wise, but I would bet that our new philosophy would have precluded letting him catch. As for the current discussion, we are talking about Santana, not Montero. Would you want Santana as your starting catcher?

  80. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Lol, MTU, I’m processing paperwork like a mofo. The systems just take a while to load which is actually how I do most of my posting during the week. It’s usually why I post like 5 things in a row and disappear for a bit.

    I like Chavez a lot as a player/personality.. but it’s time to move on.

  81. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    MTU, Glenn Gould owned the most exquisitely independent 10 fingers on earth.

  82. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Mick-

    Actually I can do better if I take my time.

    I know the rule you spoke of. Need to proofread my stuff more carefully.

    At my age I don’t catch them all even then.

    Sorry.

    :(

  83. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    I would bet that our new philosophy would have precluded letting him catch. As for the current discussion, we are talking about Santana, not Montero. Would you want Santana as your starting catcher?
    ====================
    I don’t agree it is our new philosophy. That was propaganda. As long as the catcher is adequate he will play at the right price, helps if he can hit a little. Haven’t seen enough of Santana to judge.

  84. GregD December 2nd, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    are there any Rule 5 Options out there that the Yanks might pick up to platoon with someone in RF?

  85. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Mick Jagger and Jimbo Morrison were / are rivals, but,…Jim never would’ve put makeup on!

    :)

  86. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    At my age I don’t catch them all even then.
    ===================
    You are not as ancient as you say you are ;)

  87. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS
    #reds gm walt jocketty is looking for an OF/leadoff man. will look at trades 1st, then FA market. victorino said on list

  88. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    mills…would morrison still have that edge today?

  89. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Those Jays – - – -

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS
    of all the teams that make sense for dickey, maybe #bluejays (w/ gose & arencibia) make most sense. http://

  90. Ys Guy December 2nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    ichiro is really overplaying his hand. this is not the time where teams are going to concentrate on him. there are other, better options availble for corner outfield positions. as far as being a starter, ichiro is a back-up plan not a main player. some cruddy team might sign him now (the mets could sure use him) but the yankees, rangers and other teams who are in the hunt aren’t gonna settle for ichhiro as a starter until other options have been explored.

  91. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Eric Chavez is planning on playing in 2013 according to his agent, reports Anthony McCarron of the New York Daily News.

    “Chavy has no intention of retiring,” Scott Leventhal said. “We have spoken to and met with multiple clubs regarding his future in baseball.”

    Leventhal, however, declined to comment about those conversations with the multiple clubs or about Chavez returning to the Yankees. Yankees GM Brian Cashman acknoweldged Friday he will be seeking depth for the left side of the infield.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#95VsW3qtMo69DYVd.99

  92. yankeefeminista December 2nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Santana has a team friendly contract, taking him through his arb years, so why would the Indians trade him unless they too don’t think he can catch…

  93. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Mick, absolutely, Morrison would not live without the edge.

  94. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Reds looking for an OF/lead off guy – - -Gardner, Granderson?

  95. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    SB-

    I’ll give ‘em GGBG for Bruce. Straight up.

    :)

  96. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    If Pierzynski falls in our lap for a year he would hit 30 in the Stadium.
    Could be true about Santana YF.

  97. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Mick, absolutely, Morrison would not live without the edge.
    ================
    He didn’t live long with it…

  98. Ys Guy December 2nd, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    lomo would have to deactivate his twitter account before he comes into jeter’s clubhouse.

    too bad posada’s not around to ‘enforce’ the unwritten rules…

  99. yankeefeminista December 2nd, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    mick, I don’t think it is propaganda; we very likely value the new catching metrics, a la Fast’s pitch framing/runs saved, over catcher offense. But let’s see what we do to fill our catching position, which will say a lot…

  100. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    The Reds might be interested in Gardner, but I am hesitant to trade him. You could put Granderson in CF again, but what do you do for CF next year? Granderson is likely not being resigned, and no guarantee Heathcott or Williams will be ready. And what wouuld the Reds give us?

  101. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Mick,….paradox

  102. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    yankeefeminista December 2nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
    Santana has a team friendly contract, taking him through his arb years, so why would the Indians trade him unless they too don’t think he can catch…

    Well, he can catch, but if the Indians want to trade him because they don’t like his catching, that’s fine with me… I’d be very happy to get Santana. He can play 1B alright too, so he could rest Tex also.

  103. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    even though santana’s aav is around 6m i doubt hal would want to pay the 6m in 2015 or the 8.25m in 2016 when he has Romine and Sanchez in the wings.

  104. Ys Guy December 2nd, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    im not a pierzynski fan but one thing about him i do like is that he doesn’t strike out alot. 78K’s last year was his career high.

  105. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
    SB-

    I’ll give ‘em GGBG for Bruce. Straight up.

    *****

    I’ll fly pay for Jay’s flight!!!

  106. Ys Guy December 2nd, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    …and the McElroy era begins!

  107. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Ys Guy December 2nd, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    …and the McElroy era begins!

    *****

    I don’t get the game – what happened?

  108. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    mcelroy in for the jets..

  109. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    santana’s #’s look alright maybe cleve has a prospect they like

  110. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Not saying this would happen – or if the Yanks should do it with the Reds or the Reds would even do anything – - -

    Thoughts on: Billy Hamilton, Devin Mesoraco, Tony Cingrani – - – -

  111. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    jets look inspired with mcelroy in….says something about sanchez?

  112. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Mesaraco is interesting because he was a pretty good prospect that most saw as a really good every day catcher but he’s struggled a lot in the big leagues offensively…..worth a gamble probably but I don’t know how much Id give up for him or how much better than Romine he’d actually be

  113. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Nate Schierholtz received calls from nine teams within the first 12 hours of being non-tendered with the Yankees in the mix and the Rays also a good fit (Twitter links).
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#ku2kI1sJj7bSXTjD.99

  114. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Some rival officials remain convinced the Diamondbacks will eventually trade Justin Upton, whose contract ($38.5MM due over the next three years) has become more attractive in the wake of his brother’s deal with the Braves.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#ku2kI1sJj7bSXTjD.99

  115. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    The Indians have set the bar high in their demands for Asdrubal Cabrera and Shin-Soo Choo. “Time will tell on whether they’ve lowered (the asking prices),” said a rival GM.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#ku2kI1sJj7bSXTjD.99

  116. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    @Buster_ESPN: Nine teams called on Nate Schierholtz within the first 12 hours after he was non-tendered. NYY, looking for a right fielder, are in the mix.

    Meh

  117. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    look how easy the jets score, amazing!
    bye bye tebow/sanchez…idiotic dysfunctional team.

  118. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Who do you want for RF blake?

  119. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Here are the teams that are “in” on Stephen Drew as of this hour: Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, Athletics and Tigers

  120. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Yankees seriously concerned about declining range of both Jeter and A-Rod are working hard to get #Drew

  121. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    mick December 2nd, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    look how easy the jets score, amazing!
    bye bye tebow/sanchez…idiotic dysfunctional team.

    —————

    I think Tebow is definitely gone because he hasn’t played that much and the whole thing is a distraction.

  122. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Who do you want for RF blake?

    *****

    I am going to guess his last name begins with a H – - – -

  123. MoRings42 December 2nd, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Power in the outfield sure didn’t help us in the postseason. I think it’s insane not to try and sign Ichiro on a short contract. They are not going to sign Hamilton.. those Steinbrenner days are gone.. The other option is trading and who are they most likely to trade.. a guy with power in the outfield in Granderson.

  124. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Who do you want for RF blake?

    *****

    I am going to guess his last name begins with a H – – – -

    ————

    Oh he like me is a fan of The Natural :)

  125. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    @Joelsherman1: Been talk Yankees r in on S.Drew, but only makes sense if NYY know can play 3B and SS, and Drew willing to play 3b because need (cont)

  126. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Blake-

    If they’re after Drew it says they think very little of Nunez and/or Nix, or that they might want to move Nunez in a deal.

  127. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Against All Odds says:
    December 2, 2012 at 3:22 pm
    Who do you want for RF blake?

    I don’t know specifically….Id love to see Uptonoit there but I’m not sure how possible that is…..if they could pair Ichiro with a nice RH bat then that’s be fine in RF (as long as HAMILTON is in left ) ;)

  128. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    If they are hard after Drew, that is bad news for Nunie.

  129. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    MTU says:
    December 2, 2012 at 3:26 pm
    Blake-

    If they’re after Drew it says they think very little of Nunez and/or Nix, or that they might want to move Nunez in a deal.

    I don’t think they see Nunie as a guy that can play SS at an acceptable level….either that or as you say they think they might trade him

  130. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Against All Odds says:
    December 2, 2012 at 3:22 pm
    Who do you want for RF blake?

    I don’t know specifically….Id love to see Uptonoit there but I’m not sure how possible that is…..if they could pair Ichiro with a nice RH bat then that’s be fine in RF (as long as HAMILTON is in left ) ;)

    ——————–

    I would like to see Upton as well but I know it’s not going to happen.

  131. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    @Joelsherman1: protection for A-Rod and Jeter, but no sign yet Drew OK playing 3B. Possible #Yankees could deal Nunez, then Drew as backup SS makes sense

  132. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    The Yankees don’t need Drew for 3b.

    Nix can handle 3rd, and so can Adams.

    Don’t see a match here.

  133. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    Not saying this would happen – or if the Yanks should do it with the Reds or the Reds would even do anything – – -

    Thoughts on: Billy Hamilton, Devin Mesoraco, Tony Cingrani – – – -

    I was just drooling over Cingrani myself…

    Hamilton is probably practically untouchable. I don’t know why they don’t just bring the guy up for their CF and leadoff hitter.

  134. Ys Guy December 2nd, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    sanchez is horrible. he used to be ok but not having any talent completely stunted him and his game fell apart.

    tebow, who knows? the jets might have won more games with him at QB but they didnt want to. now that they’ve gone to mcelroy, it shows what a bad decision it was not to at least try tebow and see if he could win a game or two.

    in any case, if the jets weren’t gonna let him be the backup, they shouldn’t have brought him here and/or he shouldn’t have come here.

    they couldn’t have done much worse than they did sticking with sanchez this long.

  135. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    “Hamilton is probably practically untouchable. I don’t know why they don’t just bring the guy up for their CF and leadoff hitter.”

    Most think he’s about a year away with the bat….probably don’t wanna rush him until they know he’s ready to hit

  136. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    The Yankees don’t need Drew for 3b.

    Nix can handle 3rd, and so can Adams.

    ———————

    Maybe packaging Adams

  137. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Hamilton is probably practically untouchable. I don’t know why they don’t just bring the guy up for their CF and leadoff hitter.

    ******

    I think I read the hit tool is not where they want it to be – - – -

  138. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Here are the teams that are “in” on Stephen Drew as of this hour: Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, Athletics and Tigers

    ———————–

    Oooooo… tell me more Joel!

  139. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    AAO-

    Possible. But that still leaves Nix. No faith in Nunez at SS ?

    Or maybe Nunez is on the move and they need a guy for SS ?

    I was hoping for an upgrade to Keppinger for 2B/3B. Way better than Drew.

  140. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    I didn’t mind Nix. I dunno… why not just go with Adams?

  141. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Trade Nunie for J Upton! Done

  142. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Shame-

    Drew does nothing for me. Can’t see why the Yankees would be in on him.

    There would seem to be better options.

  143. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    MTU – I know it wouldn’t be the trade you had in mind lol… but when even the rumors are boring you know you’re in trubs!

  144. oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    agreed I think there are better options besides Drew

  145. oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    what do you guys think of Nate Schierholtz ??

  146. oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    That Colin guy for SF is pretty good

  147. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    I think the Yankees need to concentrate their efforts on getting a good young stud OF’er.

    They should aim high.

    The ordinary guys will always be there.

    I hope that’s exactly what Cashman is/will be doing.

    ;)

  148. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    Cash Consideration: An assignor Club that pays cash
    consideration in lieu of assigning an unnamed player or to defray
    all or part of the salary obligation of the assignee Club for an
    assigned Player shall include such cash consideration in its Actual
    Club Payroll in the Contract Year in which the cash consideration
    is paid; provided, however, that any such cash consideration
    included as part of a Player assignment made during the 2016
    Contract Year but not payable until the 2017 Contract Year shall
    be included in the assignor Club’s 2016 Actual Club Payroll to the
    extent that the assignee Club does not have equivalent salary obli-gations under Player contracts obtained in the assignment in the
    2017 championship season or beyond. Any cash consideration
    that is, pursuant to the preceding sentence, included in the Actual
    Club Payroll of the payor Club shall be subtracted from the Actual
    101
    Club Payroll of the payee Club in the same Contract Year in which
    it is added to the payor Club’s Actual Club Payroll

    This is the component of the CBA that you guys were looking for. Contracts, as far as I can tell, have their AAV transfered with that value pro-rated if they traded mid-season. If you get cash or pay cash in a trade it is added as a separate debit or credit at the end of the year.

    So the Pirates got AJ’s 16.5 AAV added to their roster for CBT purposes, but then received credits of 11 and 8.5 or whatever the yankees paid for each year. The Yankees meanwhile, added those to their general ledger. They both physically paid for the amounts in the cash they agreed to send, and spiritually paid for it in the amounts added to the CBT.

  149. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    The aim should be to get a younger, better, cheaper version of Swisher.

    :)

  150. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    oak2455 says:
    December 2, 2012 at 3:43 pm
    what do you guys think of Nate Schierholtz ??

    4th outfielder

  151. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    Nate did hit .287 .360 .466 .826 vs RHP in 2011 & .288 .340 .461 .801 vs RHP in 2012.

    He would be the starting RF for this team, with the 4th OFer a RHer that would platoon with him. I would want someone better but the fact that Cashman was on the phone with his agent minutes after he got non-tendered means Cash smells a deal. We know how much he loves a good deal.

  152. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    JF,

    Ever any clarification if the AAV remains constant and no money exchanges hands? Lets say the Yankees did trade for Upton…..would the AAV remain around 8 million for the Yankees even after the deal?

    That’s the thing nobody seems 100% sure about and it’s a fairly big deal as with Upton it could man the differenc in around 7 million bucks a year AAV towards the end on his contract

  153. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Nate isn’t as good as Swisher and I want somebody better…..

  154. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    JF-

    Who’s the Platoon partner/4th OF’er ?

    Ichiro ?

    Personally I’d like to see the Yankees aim higher than NS.

  155. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Nate might would outproduce Ichiro though as part of a platoon

  156. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 3:42 pm
    agreed I think there are better options besides Drew

    ———————

    You’re the same oak2455 on PSD right?

  157. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Here is an interesting thing I missed before:

    Salary shall
    include, without limitation, the value of non-cash compensation such
    as the provision of personal translators, personal massage therapists,
    and airfare and tickets exceeding normal Club allotments. Consistent
    with the rules set out below, all compensation paid to a Player pur-suant to the terms of a Uniform Player’s Contract shall be attributa-ble to the Contract Year(s) in which the Player is required under the
    Contract to render services to a Club as a baseball player, regardless
    of how the compensation is characterized under the Contract.

    Apparently the team has to monetize translators/luxury box tickets/limo rides/airplane tickets and count them too? Lol

  158. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Blake-

    We find ourselves on the same side of things once again.

    Hope your kid is feeling better.

    You missed out on your opportunity to imitate Craig.

    Oh well. maybe next year ?

  159. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Who’s the Platoon partner/4th OF’er ?

    It can’t be Ichiro because they would both play against the same split. It would have to be scott hairston or something. Barring a surprise, RF is going to be depressing next season. If they don’t make a trade or go all in on Hamilton or something I hope they just sign Ichiro so at least I can root for a player I like.

  160. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Ever any clarification if the AAV remains constant and no money exchanges hands? Lets say the Yankees did trade for Upton…..would the AAV remain around 8 million for the Yankees even after the deal?

    No clarification, really need to ask an MLBPA lawyer or MLB CBT’s people, but no one cares enough to do that and I certainly can’t! Maybe I will send them a letter.

    If contracts are simply counted as AAV then you get the same price per year for the length of the contract. The only section referencing payment in a trade states that the 2 teams are obligated for their halves beginning on assignment. But half of an AAV based contract is going to be the same for each party. In a 1 year contract we can understand that clause to mean the team will be on the hook for a pro-rated portion of the 1 year deal.

    There is nothing that really explains the trade of a multi-year contract.

  161. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    MTU,

    Me too…. It’s this time of year I guess….

  162. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    Get ready for a Nate S/ Scott Hairston RF

  163. oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    AAO yes I am, who are you ?

  164. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    JF-

    Thanks.

    That’s the basic band-aid RF. Hope that’s not the way they go.

    I believe a big trade is possible.

    I’m holding out hope for that over the next several weeks.

    Aim high Cashman.

    You can always settle latter on.

  165. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    JF,

    Maybe they didn’t specify because really nobody except the Yankees (and now Dodgers) really care about AAV…..it needs to be clear though because its a big deal for the Yanks if they trade for a back loaded contract

  166. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Getting a good Swisher replacement should be this season’s biggest priority.

    Cobbling together a band-aid is not that.

    Take your time Cashman. Guys like these will be around.

    Aim higher.

  167. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Winter meetings will be exciting this year, but I just don’t know if they will be exciting for the Yankees.

  168. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Yea I think a lot of trades may go down…..the FA market is thin and a lot of teams seem to be wanting t improve

  169. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    blake-

    The way I look at things is that you fix the things you can when you can.

    The Yankees have an opportunity to fix the hole Swisher created now.

    Putting a band-aid on it will only leave the problem for next year.

    Maybe in worse form since Grandy might be then.

    Counting on prospects to fill holes is risky buisness.

    They have already lost 50 hrs. of production. That’s a lot.

  170. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    edit: be leaving

  171. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    MTU,

    It’s complicated though when you can’t spend money….

  172. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    JF-

    No reason they can’t be.

    We have plenty to offer.

    ;)

  173. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Blake-

    That’s why I advocate trading.

    Aren’t you paying attention ?

    :)

  174. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    MTU,

    That’s ain’t easy either when your best prospects are in A ball….but we’ll see ;)

  175. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    I read the CBT and my impression was that the AAV stays with the contract, even when traded.

  176. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: #orioles Duquette admits they “probably” won’t be able to try for Hamilton. Josh market a mystery. http://t.co/dZsMmCV0

    4/100 with opt out after year 1….do it Cash

  177. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    For trade, Yanks best prospects are A ballers, anyone closer is not highly rated, and then Hughes, Nova, Phelps, who all have issues (control remaining, performance, experience).

  178. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Blake-

    Who said those are our only trade pieces ?

    You ought to know better than that.

    All that Cashman needs is an open mind.

    I hope he makes every effort to find us a young, quaility player for the OF or 3B before he throws in the towel on a band-aid.

    That’s all I ask. Aim high, work hard, explore all options first.

    I’m confident he’ll do just that. Makes perfect sense to do so.

    He can always settle later on.

    ;)

  179. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    I sent an email to the MLBPA asking about it, maybe they know.

  180. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    At 4/100 I don’t think you need the opt out. No one is paying Hamilton more than 25 per even if he had a big year in 2013, considering his age and issues. I wouldn’t give him a no trade either. I don’t think it’s possible to put an escape clause in the contract for personal issues, the Player’s Union probably would not allow it.

  181. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    MTU,

    I’m not saying its impossible…just that Cash will have to get creative and be willing to actually give a lot to get the type player they need

  182. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Squat-

    Open your mind a bit more. Expand your horizons.

    There are other items of value to the right team that we can spare.

    It’s a Package. Not a single player.

    maybe part ML. Part MiLB.

    No one guy has to be a superstar. maybe the combination fills significant needs for the other team ?

  183. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 4:05 pm
    AAO yes I am, who are you ?

    ———————

    Big City

  184. Barry December 2nd, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Swisher should, if possible, be brought back. Ichiro as well. Granderson is odd man out. And there are catchers of considerable skill available ont he trade market.

  185. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    I don’t know if you remember that name or not

  186. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    “At 4/100 I don’t think you need the opt out. No one is paying Hamilton more than 25 per even if he had a big year in 2013, considering his age and issues”

    If he had a good 2013 And ended it better than he did 2012 then he definately could get more than te 3/75 he’d have left…..at least in total money and more years…..players always opt out

  187. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    MLB network counting down the longest Hrs of 2012…..no surprise Giancarlo was #1 with a 494 foot blast

  188. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Blake-

    That goes w/o saying.

    Has to be value for value.

    So what ? One need filled for another. That’s exactly what trading is all about.

    I think people under rate some of our players and prospects.

    I think Cashman alluded to that the other day.

    ;)

  189. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    ” I don’t think it’s possible to put an escape clause in the contract for personal issues, the Player’s Union probably would not allow it.”

    I don’t think any team will sign him without some protective language regarding drugs in his contract

  190. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    I also emailed Hal & Cashman to see if they’ll answer.

  191. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    blake December 2nd, 2012 at 4:31 pm
    ” I don’t think it’s possible to put an escape clause in the contract for personal issues, the Player’s Union probably would not allow it.”

    I don’t think any team will sign him without some protective language regarding drugs in his contract

    Can you give me one example where it was done? I don’t think the Union would allow it.

  192. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Can you give me one example where it was done? I don’t think the Union would allow it.

    Teams can put in clauses related to DL + specific injuries, so possible to include a clause for a specific health related thing.

  193. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    I just ask that Cashman not take the easy way out before has to.

    And then I think we can all be satisfied.

    I’m out. I’ll catch you later.

    I’m hoping the coming weeks will be exciting for us.

    We’ll see.

    :)

  194. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    Squat-

    Open your mind a bit more. Expand your horizons.

    There are other items of value to the right team that we can spare.

    It’s a Package. Not a single player.

    maybe part ML. Part MiLB.

    No one guy has to be a superstar. maybe the combination fills significant needs for the other team ?

    I have realistic horizons. It’s fun to dream sometimes, but some of your trade wants are unrealistic.

  195. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    “Can you give me one example where it was done? I don’t think the Union would allow it.”

    Not really….but they can put clauses in contracts where guys can’t ski or ride motorcycles etc…. So I don’t see why they couldn’t put language to protect against illegal drug use

  196. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Maybe someone will answer you JF and clear this up

  197. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Squat-

    I disagree but that’s what makes the World go round.

    No offense but I hope Cashman takes my POV and aims high.

    And doesn’t see that as unrealistic, or unattainable.

    gonna find out I guess.

  198. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    The likelihood of a clause being a contract is also highly related to a team willing to pay money and not include it. So its possible contracts that would have been approved by MLB were drafted up with those clauses, but that in the end some team was willing to not have one and so that was the one that ended up being given a shot.

  199. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    I’ve only seen option years based on like arm injuries for pitchers. Never heard of anything to do with personal issues such as drug use, or ped use.

  200. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    If a team can opt out due to a pitcher’s shoulder, I don’t see why they couldn’t opt out due to a player’s drug use.

  201. Ys Guy December 2nd, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    if the yankees are going to go $25M per with an opt out it should be a mutual option.

  202. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Yea I don’t know how still the consequences would be ….but I do think whoever signs him will have some language to protect themselves against him relapsing….whether it could lead to the contract being voided I don’t know…..

  203. Nick in SF December 2nd, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    If Hamilton’s handler would count against the payroll, he’s a no-go. They’re already on the hook for Kuroda’s translator, Arod’s crowd spotter, and (eventually) Pined’a designated driver. :neutral:

  204. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    December 2, 2012 at 4:54 pm
    if the yankees are going to go $25M per with an opt out it should be a mutual option.

    He wouldn’t do that….that’s essentially a one year deal in guaranteed money. The reason an opt out makes sense is because it might entice him to take a shorter term deal….knowing that he could try again next year for a longer deal if he wanted.

    Hamilton’s value is down a bit now from where it could have been cause of the way he finished the year…..if he had a good full 2013 season and then went back out on the market he might get more….who knows….

  205. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    @BNightengale: The #Dodgers are letting teams know that shortstop Dee Gordon is available, who could be a nice fallback for teams who don’t sign Drew

  206. Jerkface December 2nd, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Dunno how Dee Gordon is a nice fallback to anything?

    .228 .280 .281 .561??

  207. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    We should shop ramerio Pena as a fall back to drew

  208. austinmac December 2nd, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    For any acquisition to work, the player’s contract situation matters. What are they willing to spend into 2014? If they will take reasonable contracts, moves are possible. Cashman suggested multi year deals aren’t totally out.

    Much of the future look could be determined over these days or weeks ahead. Let’s hope for good foresight.

  209. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Multi years players shouldn’t be out if they make sense….cause while 1 year deals are nice and all…. It also leads to constant reshuffling of the deck and never any real long term solutions.

    I hope Cashman is bold and at least looks at all te options both in and out of the box this week…..

  210. tomingeorgia December 2nd, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    May I be so bold as to suggest that the Yankees are looking for the best players at the positions they need to fill, at the most reasonable cost in players, prospects and treasure? They have a strategic aim to field a competitive team for a set sum of money, whatever that is. No more instant gratification, cost be damned. I find it refreshing. Let’s see what Cashman can do in this brave new world. I haven’t got a clue, but I bet he and his people have a pretty good idea of how to do it. This week is important, and fun, but not conclusive. Things change over time. I think I’ll just wait and see.

  211. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    Tom,….carry on!

  212. austinmac December 2nd, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    Drew seems pretty unlikely as he is a pretty good everyday shortstop or has been in the recent past. He played well for the A’s. He will want starter money and playing time.

  213. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Adam LaRoche wanting 3 yrs…Nats claim they are not moving off of 2 yrs….sounds like 2 yrs and a club option will be the compromise

    Sounds like Morse will be available….Morse for Nova?

  214. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    @Joelsherman1: When comes to Drew, #Yankees remember #Diamondbacks asked to play 3b, Drew said no. Also SS in great need, Boras not lowering value (cont)

    @Joelsherman1: By selling as utility type. #Yankees

  215. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Stan Kasten: “We are the opposite of the mystery team.” Meaning, everyone links the #Dodgers to everything.

  216. tucker December 2nd, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    I’d rather move Hughes than Nova. Just makes more sense to keep young starters with more years of control. Granted, Hughes has honed his consistency as a mid-rotation starter, just think Nova brings more value. Doubt the Yanks will extend Hughes.

  217. tucker December 2nd, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    If Hamilton’s handler would count against the payroll, he’s a no-go. They’re already on the hook for Kuroda’s translator, Arod’s crowd spotter, and (eventually) Pined’a designated driver.

    Xxxxxx

    Maybe Steven Drew can perform these roles, too, as a super-utility guy. He may need to brush up on his Japanese.

  218. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    “I’d rather move Hughes than Nova. Just makes more sense to keep young starters with more years of control. ”

    Biggest problems there are. 1) Nova isn’t as good as Hughes 2) because Nova has more years of control he might be more attractive to some teams

  219. Nick in SF December 2nd, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    That could also be why they sent Granderson to Asia. They’re always a couple steps ahead.

  220. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    I would trade Hughes….but Id need to know he won’t do an affordable extension Nd Id also need to knowniI could sign somebody short term like McCarthy or Haren to replace him in the 2013 rotation….. Id rather extend him if it can be done cheaply

  221. Nilsson December 2nd, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    I’m surprised the Jets stuck with Sanchez this long. When a QB’s career completion rate is around 55% then the core problem lies with the player’s talent or lack thereof.

    A very quality post by tomingeorgia. It’ll be interesting to hear what transpires at the baseball meetings.

  222. oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    AAO/ Bigcity are you still on PSD? And do you post in there anymore?

  223. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Based on our interview with Larry Lucchino it’s obvious the Red Sox are “in” on Josh Hamilton, Mike Napoli and starting pitchers…#sxm

  224. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    @DKnobler: Cardinals looking for 2B and left handed reliever

    Cano for Oscar Taveras!

  225. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    AAO/ Bigcity are you still on PSD? And do you post in there anymore?

    ————————

    Yes I’m still on there and I post on there from time to time.

  226. Nick in SF December 2nd, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    Red Sox could be dangerous again if they get Hamilton, Napoli, and all the starting pitchers. :mad:

  227. Benny Blanco December 2nd, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    Would any of you you be bothered if the redsox nabbed both Hamilton and Napoli?

  228. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    blake December 2nd, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Based on our interview with Larry Lucchino it’s obvious the Red Sox are “in” on Josh Hamilton, Mike Napoli and starting pitchers…#sxm

    ———————————-

    Do you think JH market will surface at the meetings? Not saying he will get signed but things should definitely pick up.

  229. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    Benny Blanco says:
    December 2, 2012 at 6:12 pm
    Would any of you you be bothered if the redsox nabbed both Hamilton and Napoli?

    Their offense would be good….but their pitching still pretty bad

  230. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    I post a little bit in the Yankee and Laker forums

  231. tomingeorgia December 2nd, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    Nilsson,
    Thanks. Who knows what millions of dollars are flying around up in Nashville? The process is very messy, I’d imagine, but, like making sausage, the end product is the main concern. I think there is a very good deal, like Swisher’s, for the taking. Stealth, Mr. Cashman, pays dividends.

  232. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    Id be surprised if Boston shed all that money just go sink a bunch into Hamilton….

  233. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    Cards – 2b – any interest in Joseph or Adams???

  234. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    The Cards have Kolten Wong coming….Id say they are just lookin for a stop gap type

  235. oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    I think I know who you are……funny…..whats going on?

  236. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Both Braves and Reds looking for leadoff types – - – -

  237. Duh Innings II December 2nd, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Why don’t the Yankees give Tyler Austin a shot in RF along with give Austin Romine a shot at C?

    Austin’s career splits are .331 / .406 / .553 / .969.

    Assuming he doesn’t post 100 points or worse less in each category, we’re looking at minimum .232 / .307 / .454 / .761 from him in 2012.

    He’s stolen 41 bases in 43 career stolen base attempts and had 7 outfield assists in 2012.

    He just turned 21, would cost just the rookie minimum (as would Romine), and was promoted to Trenton last season (albeit he grabbed a very small cup of coffee there.)

    A-Rod posted 18 HR and 57 RBI, Teixiera 24 HR and 84 RBI, Swisher 27 HR and 93 RBI for 69 HR and 234 from them in 2012.

    The logic behind starting Austin is if A-Rod and Teixiera have bounce-back 2013s with modest increases in HR and RBI, that and Austin will make up for the loss of Swisher. If A-Rod posted Teixiera’s 2012 HR and RBI (9 HR 27 RBI improvement) and Teixiera posted 32 HR and 104 RBI (8 HR 20 RBI improvement), Austin would have to post only 13 HR and 46 RBI for him, A-Rod, and Teixiera to equal the HR and RBI production of 2012 A-Rod/Teixiera/Swisher. If Cano could post 3 more HR and 10 more RBI than he did in 2012 for 36 HR and 104 RBI in 2013 (why not?), then Austin has to post only 10 HR and 36 RBI for the Yanks to have the same amount of HR and RBI from their basemen and RF as they had in 2012.

  238. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    The Cards have Kolten Wong coming….Id say they are just lookin for a stop gap type

    *****

    Well that answers that – no Carlos Martinez – shucks – - – -

  239. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    Nothing much man. I see you’re no longer on there. We crossed paths on there a few times. You always kept the mood light on the board.

  240. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner says:
    December 2, 2012 at 6:27 pm
    Both Braves and Reds looking for leadoff types – – – -

    Add an outfielder and trade Gardner to one of them….,

  241. oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    Banned til the 20th………………………………………………….lmao……….said the Jets suck…….truth hurts some people ;)

  242. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    Both Braves and Reds looking for leadoff types – – – -

    Add an outfielder and trade Gardner to one of them….,

    ******

    Braves would probably offer pitching

    Reds – not sure

    Do you resign Ichiro for one OF spot – and flip what you get from Braves/Reds as part of a deal for the other OF spot – - – - -

  243. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    “Do you resign Ichiro for one OF spot – and flip what you get from Braves/Reds as part of a deal for the other OF spot – – – – -”

    I dunno….that’s complicated….the Braves def have some guys that would interest me ….but the Yanks have to get a legit outfielder first before you can think about trading either Gardy or Grandy

  244. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    Banned til the 20th………………………………………………….lmao……….said the Jets suck…….truth hurts some people ;)

    ———————-

    Banned til the 20th. That’s light you can do that standing on your head. :D

  245. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    We need an OF’er.

    Why would trade one ?

    Especially a guy like GGBG who is cheap, relatively young, and somewhat proven.

    You do that and you need to fill 2 holes instead of just 1.

    Who are the replacements ?

  246. oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    sign Itchy…….. please

  247. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    sign Itchy…….. please

    —————-

    It looks like Ichiro is their back up option

  248. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    Why should we be in a rush to re-sign Ichiro ?

    There are plenty of other options that need to be considered first.

  249. oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    Like? he is an easy get

  250. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    There are plenty of other options that need to be considered first.

    ———————

    That’s what it looks like MTU. It looks like they want to at least see what’s out there. Did anyone think Kuroda, Andy, and Mo would all be re-signed so soon and Ichiro would still be waiting

  251. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    Like? he is an easy get

    ———————

    He is an easy get but based on what has been reported over the past few days the Yankees are looking else where first. Most of us have been screaming for them to make a real upgrade in the outfield and it looks like for now they are hoping to do that.

  252. oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    hello Josh ;)

  253. Ys Guy December 2nd, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    austin has all of 2 games above A ball. at this point you don’t know that he can hack aa, let alone the AL East.

    romine was healthy enough to manage 31 games last year.

    the yankees aren’t handing these guys starting positions.

  254. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Who are the replacements ?

    *****

    I suppose sign Ichiro – and then the prospect you get back for Gardner – you deal as part of a deal for an OF – but i guess it depends on how much you value Gardner and whether the other OFer is an upgrade over Gardner and still cost controlled – - – -

  255. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    Yes. He’s an easy get and he’s 39 yrs. old.

    I’m looking for a true Swisher replacement who is younger, better, and cheaper. and who solves longer term problems.

    Until I’ve exhausted the market I don’t worry about Ichiro.

    Who ?

    Has Upton been traded yet ?

    Is Schierholz-Hairston over ?

    Would the Royals consider trading Gordon ?

    And any other things Cashman might come across at the WM.

    That’s who.

    Just because a guy is an easy get doesn’t mean we should jump.

    If he doesn’t want to wait he can move on.

  256. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    “Why would trade one ?”

    You wouldn’t unless you added one first ….lets say they traded for or signed one of the outfielders we’ve been talking about…..then made a RF platoon with Ichiro and a RH bat……then you could shop Gardner or Granderson to fill other needs

  257. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Austin not in 2013 – but could be a real possibility in 2014 – he is hit at each level to date – and hopefully power will come – and a nice story as a c@ncer survivor – - – -

  258. oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    I just think hes a good fit, but I think they go big in RF too…………………

  259. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    For example….. :)

    Sign Hamilton
    Sign Ichiro and Hairston

    Then Trade Granderson or Gardner…..Braves could use either and you ask for Ahmed and Delgado or something like that….of you ask for Mesoroaco + from the Reds….etc…..

  260. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Blake-

    OK. That was not clear before.

    But then you have 2 problems to solve rather than one.

    Focus on getting a good solid Swisher replacement.

    Shouldn’t have to involve GGBG to do that.

  261. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Sources tell FoxSports.com’s Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal the Reds like Dexter Fowler and the Rockies like Homer Bailey. Now the question is whether their mutual interest crystallizes into trade discussions during the Winter Meetings.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#PjDxxPCyX10cmQgY.99

    ******

    Well – Reds seem to have their number one target for leadoff – - – -

  262. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    Fowler should be worth a lot more than Homer Bailey

  263. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    Blake-

    I do not think the Yankees are signing Hamilton.

    Too expensive and too much risk.

    And I don’t think they are bold enough to try to move Grandy now.

    What you are suggesting is IMO a highly unlikely scenario.

    It does not seem to fit with the Yankee way or their current MO.

  264. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    “Focus on getting a good solid Swisher replacement.”

    I agree….have to do that first…. But then from there you look to see if you can use what you have to til other needs

  265. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    “What you are suggesting is IMO a highly unlikely scenario.”

    So is trading for Justin Upton ;)

  266. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Bowden saying on radio that something feels like its brewing with the Dodgers…..probably about to give Greinke enough to erase the national debt

  267. oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    cool the Dodgers in a few years will be screwed……..lol

  268. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Blake-

    The only other need they really have IMO is a better catcher.

    They can get Jaso, or AJ P, or Ruiz for that.

    Sanchez is on the way.

    As you pointed out, and I wholeheartedly agree, a Jaso/Romine pairing would be excellent.

    I don’t care what Rosy says. I don’t think it would be all that difficult to pry Jaso away from the M’s.

    Actually I think it would be fairly easy because we have some thing they need even more than him.

  269. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Fowler should be worth a lot more than Homer Bailey

    *****

    Possibly – but I could see a GM also telling O’Dowd about Fowler’s splits.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/fanta.....ut-barely/

    In 2013, Fowler has a good chance to see a regression in both batting average and home runs, while only the potential for additional at-bats will lead to more stolen bases. Given that he didn’t stand out in any category this past season, he may not be drastically overvalued, but you won’t be able to get him as a late round flyer anymore.

  270. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Actually I think it would be fairly easy because we have some thing they need even more than him.

    ******

    What offensive pieces are you offering to pry Jaso away?

  271. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    “I don’t care what Rosy says. I don’t think it would be all that difficult to pry Jaso away from the M’s.”

    I don’t think it’s be easy….it would take a good offer for then to move him I think

  272. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Blake-

    Upton is not unlikely. He’s on the block.

    Question is do we have enough to get him ?

    I say we might.

    Not totally out of the question.

  273. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    What offensive pieces are you offering to pry Jaso away?

    ———————

    Only one I can think of is Grandy but that would be an overpay

  274. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    I think Cash needs to call up Towers and Cleveland and see if they can work a 3 way

  275. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    “Question is do we have enough to get him ?”

    Unless they involve a 3rd team it’s tough to see a match….that’s why I think it’s unlikely

  276. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Blake-

    Upton is not unlikely. He’s on the block.

    Question is do we have enough to get him ?

    I say we might.

    Not totally out of the question.

    ———————

    I don’t think we have the pieces but hey sometimes you never know. We’ve seen trades where guys are given away and other deals where guys are overpaid

  277. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Blake-

    We can make that “good” offer w/o it hurting us much.

    You don’t think they’d prefer Nunez to he weak hitting ss they have now.

    Just for example.

    Or Adams over what they have at 2B ?

    Rosy thinks the whole team should be composed of internal Farm options.

    If there Farm was all that good they might actually be able to produce a significant O.

    I say we give them a little help in some different areas.

  278. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Only one I can think of is Grandy but that would be an overpay

    ******

    Would take a package of Jaso, Mauer, and Saunders/or Trufinel?

    “Over 553 plate appearances, Saunders hit 19 home runs, stole 21 bases, hitting 31 doubles and three triples. His .247/.306/.432 line could use some improvement but there were enough positives in his 2012 season that Saunders stands towards the front of the line of post-hype sleepers coming into 2013.”

    http://www.fangraphs.com/fanta.....akes-good/

  279. tomingeorgia December 2nd, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    Mr. MTU,
    Admire your optimism. I’ll have what you’re having.

  280. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    @Joelsherman1: #Orioles downplaying publicly, but execs talk with Bal feel it will make significant play for Hamilton

  281. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    Blake-

    Exactly my point.

    Towers knows our system really well.

    Maybe he covets some of our guys ?

    He may see things way differently than we do.

    Upton is definitely not out of the question IMO.

    I’m not saying we’re the front runners but I think we ould have a shot.

    Especially if Cashman wants to be creative as you say.

    ;)

  282. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    “You don’t think they’d prefer Nunez to he weak hitting ss they have now.”

    In think they’d probably prefer to keep their current SS who can catch the ball and their best hitter last year over Nunie

  283. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Joelsherman1 #Dodgers viewed as Greinke front runner. If they land, and maybe even if don’t can move extra SP, probably Capuano

  284. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    MTU,

    I don’t think it’s impossible……I just don’t know if Cashman will go to the level it’d take and if KT has to have a SS or 3b then they’ll have to involve a 3rd team…..the Indians make some sense

  285. Nick in SF December 2nd, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    Zuchini isn’t ready and they’re not going to want a catching platoon of Montero and whatever catcher we sent to Seattle, sooooooo…. I don’t know why they’d want to give us Jaso.

  286. Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    oak2455 December 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    cool the Dodgers in a few years will be screwed……..lol

    ——————-

    It’s a risk they are willing to take

  287. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    Mister Tom-

    All I’m doing is not selling our players, prospects, or GM short before I see what happens.

    People do not realize that GM’s see things way differently than we do.

    They are thousands of times more sophisticated and knowledgeable.

    The result of that is they sometimes do things which surprise us armchair types.

    I hoping for that. All I expect is a good effort.

    Results cannot be guaranteed but options should definitely be throughly explored before throwing in the towel.

    :)

  288. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    @Joelsherman1: #Nationals in on Greinke, if fail there watch them on #Rays Shields using bats like Espinosa and Morse/Moore, Also some interest in Anibal

  289. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    Granderson – Mariners – Paxton/Mauer, Saunders, Trufinel/Ryan

  290. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Nick-

    Because we can give them a replacement catcher as well as other things they might need.

    Jaso is good not great.

    I want him because he would fit well for us. In return I am willing to offer other things that Mr. Z needs.

    Guys who may be better than what he has.

    Why wouldn’t he consider that ?

  291. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Would Morse interest the Rays with just one year from FA?

  292. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    New thread —>

  293. Nick in SF December 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    I’m kind of suspicious that the M’s would go with Jaso and Montero as their only catchers as well — they seem to have PARTED WAYS with Olivo — so I do wonder what their plan is. Were they really contemplating Russ Martin or was that an unfounded rumor? Do they think Zamboni might come up during the season, like Buster Posey did in 2010? What is really going on behind the plate in Seattle????

  294. tomingeorgia December 2nd, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    MTU,
    Maybe you were gone, but I basically said the same thing. Give it our best shot now, and see what we can do. As they say down here, I’m in complete agreeance with you. Let’s see what happens. We can always shore up in February, if there’s nothing there.

  295. Tar December 2nd, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    ” People do not realize that GM’s see things way differently than we do.
    They are thousands of times more sophisticated and knowledgeable.”

    Speaking for yourself of course. I do not feel Cashman is anymore sophisticated than me or many on here on Lohud. Especially taking into account his total lapse in judgment with his personal life recently. And the only reason he has more knowledge is because of his job, put Blake or YF or yourself in his job and you would have the same knowledge.

  296. joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 8:18 am

    if the Braves and the Reds are looking for a lead-off hitter offer up Gardner & another piece and see what they bring back….please

  297. joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 8:20 am

    maybe Gardner & ? ca bring back Martin Prado

  298. joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 8:25 am

    how about Gardner and Nunez for Zack Cozart

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