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Week in review: Getting the band back together

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 02, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

For the Yankees, this week was defined by two people: Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera.

Re-signing a pair of franchise icons was not a surprise, but it was necessary. Both Pettitte and Rivera considered retirement — at least loosely considered it — and both came back with nothing to prove and one thing to gain.

“I’m not just coming back to play,” Rivera said. “I’m coming back to win.”

That’s the mentality that’s defined both pitchers more than a decade, and in order to win, the Yankees are going to need both of them. Even in their 40s, Pettitte and Rivera were two of the better pitchers available, and they filled significant needs for this team. Maybe their contracts came as no surprise, but there’s no doubt the Yankees pitching staff is better today than it was a week ago.

• The surprise of the week had to be Russell Martin’s two year deal with the Pirates. Sure, Pittsburgh had been rumored to be in the mix, but when Martin signed his deal, the lack of alternatives came front and center.

• In the wake of the Martin signing, Brian Cashman said he’s willing to stick with in-house catchers, indicating that Francisco Cervelli, Chris Stewart and maybe even Austin Romine could legitimately open the season as the Yankees starter. It’s either another Bubba Crosby situation, or a sign of the Yankees commitment to a new method of roster construction.

• Despite pictures in the New York Post that suggested Derek Jeter is out of shape, Cashman said Jeter’s recovery from ankle surgery is going quite well. Cashman expects Jeter to be ready for Opening Day, but Cashman also said he’s actively looking for additional infield depth.

• Jayson Nix avoided arbitration with a $900,000 contract, and was immediately designated for assignment to open a roster spot for Rivera. He has agreed to accept the Triple-A assignment if he clears waivers.

• In another roster move, the Yankees swapped right-handed relievers. They claimed Jim Miller off waivers from Oakland and designated recently claimed Mickey Storey. Miller has pretty good numbers, and the Yankees have had some luck with these sort of bullpen additions.

• One other minor move: The Yankees designated Eli Whiteside for assignment to open a roster spot for Pettitte.

• The Yankees tendered contract offers to everyone on the roster. The deadline to do so was Friday night.

• There were rumors of a Yankees contract agreement with Ichiro Suzuki, but that report was quickly shot down. There was another report — one that lingered — saying the Yankees are at least somewhat interested in Shane Victorino.

• Yankees Triple-A manager Dave Miley was named the minor league Manager of the Year by Baseball America.

• Speaking of minor league coaching staffs, the Red Sox plucked Greg Colbrunn out of the Yankees system. Colbrunn has been the Yankees Low-A hitting coach, but he’s now joined Boston as the Red Sox big league hitting coach.

• Baseball America named Slade Heathcott the sixth-best prospect in the Arizona Fall League, while Romine and Mark Montgomery were named to the Fall League’s Top Prospects team.

• The Hall of Fame ballot was released and it’s full of suspected steroid users. Bernie Williams and Don Mattingly are among those returning to the ballot. Roger Clemens is among the first timers.

• Baseball mourned the death of Marvin Miller.

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101 Responses to “Week in review: Getting the band back together”

  1. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:03 am

    “Not to be argumentative but IMO he offered many opinions that strongly indicated to me at least that Holliday would be ours.”

    I remember him being very optimistic about it early then less and less so as time went by saying that Hal didn’t want to spend the money

  2. Yankee Trader December 2nd, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Good morning everyone and especially Blake who I hope has minute to minute details from Nashville!

    jmills- Best young outfield of all time? If and when the Braves trade their SS to DBacks their young OF is Upton, Upton and Heyward.

    MTU-Latest Jaso news?

  3. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Blake-

    My response is in the last thread and I’ll just leave it there.

    ;)

  4. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 9:08 am

    YT-

    Rosy and I debated it yesterday.

    She assures me that Jack Z will not let him go.

    I told her that I’m hoping she’s wrong.

    ;)

  5. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Trader,

    Sadly had to nix the Nashville trip….got a sick little guy and just didn’t work out…you’ll have to rely on hey brain and co. :(

  6. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 9:09 am

    But it’s OK YT.

    We still have AJ P., Ruiz, and Santana available.

    :)

  7. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:09 am

    MtU,

    Gotcha ;)

  8. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 9:10 am

    If Upton goes to the Braves – then fine – at least it is not the Rangers, Rays, or Jays, etc. – - – -

  9. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 9:10 am

    I’d put Mattingly in the hall, I’d put McGriff in too no matter how you spell it ( like succulents in a house, always room for one more ).

  10. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Blake-

    I hope the little one feels better soon.

    :)

  11. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 am

    I’ll try it again – .800 + 0PS, 30+ HRs and 2Bs, .260 avg. vs. RHP, .280 avg. vs LHP, 120 OPS+ – - – -any takers now?

  12. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Chad

    When I saw the title I thought it was refering to CCR.

    What a letdown.

  13. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 9:13 am

    MY-

    Just head on up to Cripple Creek.

    ;)

  14. austinmac December 2nd, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Blake,

    You are still geographically closer than the rest of us. Put your ear to the ground. You can be the new Lost.

    I suspect what you woul hear are conversations about Ichiro, Hairston and Romine’s remarkable recovery from his back problems.

  15. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2012 at 9:16 am

    MTU

    You had me convinced the Yankees were getting Holliday.

    Then I realized you were just a story teller.

  16. austinmac December 2nd, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Stone,

    I’ll bite. Morse? Far better than what we have and better than Hairston.

  17. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2012 at 9:17 am

    MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 9:13 am
    MY-

    Just head on up to Cripple Creek.

    —————————————————

    Or Down on the Bayou.

  18. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 9:18 am

    austinmac December 2nd, 2012 at 9:16 am
    Stone,

    I’ll bite. Morse? Far better than what we have and better than Hairston.

    *******

    Nope. Read below.

    The Cubs expect to meet with teams regarding Alfonso Soriano during the upcoming winter meetings in Nashville, major league sources tell Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Soriano holds a full no-trade clause and is owed a total of $36MM over the next two seasons.

    The 36-year-old is still likely to garner strong interest from teams who need right-handed power and the Cubs are willing to include cash in the deal to make it work.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#UjZqwmFoqzV3hy8B.99

  19. Yankee Trader December 2nd, 2012 at 9:19 am

    In order to trade one of Hughes, Nova, or Phelps it would help to get one more pitcher on board. Haren would be nice but I believe there will be a team out there willing to go an extra year.

    How about swing-man and lefty Nats-Tom Gorzelanny?

    Not a stat man but here they are from fangraphs:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....position=P

  20. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Maine-

    Those were dark days for me.

    If it weren’t for some really good buddies around here I would have disappeared in shame and found the nearest rock to crawl under.

    Seriously though. I still think it was too bad we didn’t wind up with Matt.

    He turned out to be pretty typical in the end and went for money and security.

    Can’t say I blame him.

    Bet his Dad was just a little disappointed although I’m sure the money made it easy to get over.

    :)

  21. austinmac December 2nd, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Stone,

    I still have post traumatic playoff disorder watching Soriano swing at curves in the left handed batters box. Plus, they need someone with an arm to play right.

  22. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 9:23 am

    MY-

    We had a poster here (KPB) who doesn’t post now.

    He lived on the Bayou. He was a great guy.

    Had many fun interactions with him. he was a ragin’ cajun.

    :)

  23. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 9:24 am

    austinmac December 2nd, 2012 at 9:22 am
    Stone,

    I still have post traumatic playoff disorder watching Soriano swing at curves in the left handed batters box. Plus, they need someone with an arm to play right.

    ****

    lol – very true with the Alfonso swings – I guess I had blocked those away – and good point about the arm – - – -

  24. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 9:25 am

    I apologize to all of you for vaporizing the Randy rule.

    Time to do what I do.

    Or at least what the Mops want to do.

    Back later.

    ;)

  25. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 9:25 am

    ” Up on Cripple Creek,” and,” Born on the Bayou.” I’d go except for the snakes, that’s why I’m glad for winter, I can walk outside in me feets right now knowing nothing is alive to bite me.

    P.S.- Robbie Robertson is still making music.

  26. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2012 at 9:25 am

    MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 9:20 am
    Maine-

    Those were dark days for me.

    If it weren’t for some really good buddies around here I would have disappeared in shame and found the nearest rock to crawl under.

    Seriously though. I still think it was too bad we didn’t wind up with Matt.

    He turned out to be pretty typical in the end and went for money and security.

    Can’t say I blame him.

    Bet his Dad was just a little disappointed although I’m sure the money made it easy to get over.

    —————————————————————————————-

    You had me convinced you were an insider. :lol:

  27. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Maine-

    Now you know better.

    I’m just an ordinary Fan with an appettite for adventure and a good laugh.

    later.

    :)

  28. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2012 at 9:27 am

    MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 9:23 am
    MY-

    We had a poster here (KPB) who doesn’t post now.

    He lived on the Bayou. He was a great guy.

    Had many fun interactions with him. he was a ragin’ cajun.

    ————————————————————-

    I think he was one of many that left on The Midnight Special.

  29. Yankee Trader December 2nd, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Rumor from NY Post George King:
    “The Rockies will listen to offers for Michael Cuddyer, who the Yankees liked when he was a free agent after the 2011 season. The Rockies have an interest in some of the Yankees’ prospects. Cuddyer’s $10.5 million for 2013 likely isn’t a deal killer, but the $10.5 million for 2014 could be.”

    Cuddyer came up as 3rd baseman, played 1B and 2B for Twins as well as RF. Not saying he’s the answer, but might be on the Yankees radar.

  30. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 am

    YT – Valentine may have had the best talent of all of them.

  31. MTU December 2nd, 2012 at 9:29 am

    YT-

    I’d rather they listen on Cargo.

    ;)

  32. austinmac December 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Cuddyer seems like a possibility until you look at his 2014 salary. But, that is the problem with virtually everyone helpful. I have no clue how they get around that other than to trade salary.

  33. Yankee Trader December 2nd, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Actually it was too bad the Yankees didn’t end up getting Carlos Beltran, MTU.

    Blake and others were right!

  34. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Colorado would have to take on some salary to get the AAV down on Cuddyer – which means better prospects going to Colorado to get that done – BUT Cuddyer would be able to double as OF/3B – - – -

  35. austinmac December 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 am

    It will be difficult to get guys like Cuddyer with others likely wanting him and able to take on the full salary. The Sox would want him, I think, for example.

  36. Yankee Trader December 2nd, 2012 at 9:35 am

    The Rockies would have to include$$$ unless a blockbuster would be in the works for Cuddyer and Dexter Fowler with Granderson as well as others in the deal. Fowler’s numbers are not that great outside of Coors.l

  37. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 9:38 am

    If your team isn’t want you think it should be, take the Gilles Villeneuve approach for there is fun in driving an inferior entry and competing all the while ( Ferrari were known for their crappy suspensions ).

  38. Tar December 2nd, 2012 at 9:38 am

    What about a return of the big Panda for a DH/Back -up OF and 1B? He’s not a very hairy monster, but he would fill a lot of needs including probably being cheap.

  39. Yankee Trader December 2nd, 2012 at 9:41 am

    And as Stoneburner mentioned, might there be a return of Soriano, Alfonso that is. Make him a 7-8M player each of the next two years, with the Cubs on the books for the rest of the 36M.

  40. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 9:41 am

    If Theo would eat most of the money and not demand much in return…. The yea Soriano would make some sense as a platoon guy

  41. Yankee Trader December 2nd, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Tar-

    Big Panda? Ryan Klesko? Which Panda are you referring to?

  42. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 am

    I’m out of it, is it going to be both Rivera and Soriano in the pen? And if not, why not?

  43. Tar December 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 am

    YT

    Sorry “Big Puma” thats what I get for multi-tasking. :D

  44. Yankee Trader December 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 am

    No more Rafael Soriano with Rivera back and Soriano now unlikely to get that Boras 4 year miscalculated deal.

    I do hope that the Yankees bring on recuperating two time TJ surgery closer -Soria.

  45. Yankee Trader December 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Tar-

    Thanks-Big Puma or Fat Elvis.-Lance Berkman :)

  46. Tar December 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 am

    YT

    Thats him. He would fill a lot of roles. He’s probably cheap, and he’s old. Sounds like just the kind of player that Cashman’s looking for. :wink:

  47. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Jeez, you can never have enough relief. I’m hoping Oliver is willing to come back given our general optimism bar as I can’t imagine Cecil as the go to guy in like situations. I’m trying to remember that Milwaukee lefty I got to enjoy in the early 2000′s,……Dan Plesac!

  48. Yankee Trader December 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 am

    “Something Smells Fishy with the Yankees-”

    “So what is really going on here? The suspicious inner writer remembers when the software company that was the longtime livelihood went through a severe austerity move that was puzzling at the time. Things all became clear when the company was sold soon after. With the Dodgers recently purchased for two billion dollars, could the Yankees be getting as lean as possible to entice a buyer to unload multiple billions for the Yankees?”

    Enjoy the article just released:

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....e-yankees/

  49. 86w183 December 2nd, 2012 at 10:01 am

    I like Cuddyer and he’s a good fit.

    But I wouldn’t give up much, and would want at least $ 5 M back… all of it in 2014.

    Berkman? Kinda of like an Old Man’s Swisher

  50. Yankee Trader December 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Actually Tar-

    Maybe the Yankees can entice Larry Jones out of retirement-OF, 3B, DH, switch hitter!

  51. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 am

    If the timing belt holds, it could be lucky 13 for the Jays. Certainly some confusion down there and I’m not going to wish ill on anybody except for that ferrat, Ferrell.

  52. Tar December 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 am

    86

    exactly except much cheaper.

    YT

    Braves fans are so gullible, Ive been spreading that very rumor to every Braves fan I meet. :evil:

  53. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 10:14 am

    From RAB:

    “Heathcott displays an aggressive approach and smooth left-handed swing with above-average raw power,” wrote Baseball America. “His plus speed makes him an extra-base hit machine, although he is still improving his stolen base ability … Heathcott’s intensity made him one of the most exciting players to watch this fall, and it showed itself in his laying out for flyballs, frequently taking the extra base and once even bulldozing the catcher.” That all-out style of play has been his downfall so far, leading to three left shoulder injuries including two that required surgery. Heathcott could be a star if healthy, but so far that’s been a challenge. ·

  54. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 am

    ” Ferret ” – I just went to Oxford, as I had the inkling I was wrong,…..but not about the association.

  55. 86w183 December 2nd, 2012 at 10:20 am

    I floated Chipper for 2013 during the season. It really does make sense IF he changed his mind about hanging it up.

    We (Chipper and I) have a mutual friend (I’ve only met him once) and he asked him about it. He told me he got a pretty good chuckle out of it and came away convinced it would not happen.

    Still, it couldn’t hurt to ask could it?

  56. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Heathcott is an exciting player….I think he could potentially be Gardner with more power and more BA potential…..so a pretty exciting player if he can stay healthy and make it.

    It’s really awesome that the yanks have a wave of promising position players….now they need to get them to the upper levels and then to the bigs

  57. DONNYBROOK December 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 am

    As I understand it, regardless of how much $$$ a team eats on a traded players contract, the AAV remains the same. This makes the Cub’s Soriano a NO GO.

    – REALISTIC RF PREFERENCES -
    (1) J UPTON – (Age, Ceilining, and AAV put him in the center of the bullseye starting Mon)

    (2) RYAN LUDWICK – (This type of free agent usually falls through the cracks= 1yr Bargain)

    (3) CODY ROSS – (Extremely streaky offensively, but beggars can Not be chosers. LAST resort)

    Going with Romine or Cervelli at catcher is Not a great concern. Either could Not be much worse than Russell was the Entire 1st half of last season.

  58. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Chipper can still hit when he can play but his knees are totally shot…..I heard an interview with him a couple of weeks ago and he pretty much said he knew he could still play but that his knees just wouldn’t work anymore and he was tired of going to bed not knowing if he’d be able to play the next day…..I think he’s done and will be a 1st ballot HOFer in 5 years

  59. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:29 am

    “As I understand it, regardless of how much $$$ a team eats on a traded players contract, the AAV remains the same. This makes the Cub’s Soriano a NO GO.”

    Not correct….if a team eats money then that changes it….same reason the Yanks are still on the hook for AJ even though he’s not with them anymore….they are still responsible for the portion they are paying

  60. jmills December 2nd, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Blake, do you always put the tongue firmly in cheek prior to drilling that presumptuous molar? :)

  61. 86w183 December 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Probably so about Chipper…. but that was playing 3B most/all of the time. As a DH/3B/1B he would get more rest for those achy breaky knees.

    Two years of that type of role could very well get him the 32 HR and 274 HITS he needs for 500, 3,000 respectively.

    Those milestone are the selling point… and the dude still loves to hit.

  62. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Jmills,
    :)

  63. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Theo would need to eat a lot of Sorianos deal before Id have interst….. And really then Id only want him for the RH portion of the DH/RF platoon…..I doubt he repeats 2012 and he’s just not the type of hitter they really need….

  64. 86w183 December 2nd, 2012 at 10:35 am

    As for trading guys and AAV — you absorb the AAV, but you get credit for whatever $$$ the other team pays.

    Pick up a guy making an AAV of $ 18 M, get $ 10 M back, the player counts $ 8 M towards your luxury tax and $ 10 M for the previous team’s tax calculation.

    AJ cost the Yanks $ 11.5 on luxury tax last year ( $ 16.5 – 5.0 ) and will cost $ 3 M less this year as Pittsburgh pays $ 8 M instead of $ 5 M.

  65. DONNYBROOK December 2nd, 2012 at 10:42 am

    If the AAV changes when a team eats a Portion of a contract, then why : when a player is traded, and a team takes on the Entire contract, does the AAV Not change to whatever is reamaining on the contract? This is inconsistent.

  66. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:43 am

    (i) General Rule: If a Uniform Player’s Contract is assigned by any means to another Major League Club, the assignor Club shall be allocated Salary through the date of the assignment and Salary shall begin being allocated to the assignee Club on the fol- lowing day, regardless of the Player’s reporting date.

    From the CBA

  67. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Trade packages – you choose:

    Cano and parts for: Ramos, Morse, Rendon

    Cano and parts for: Ackley, Paxton, Mauer, Jaso

    Grandreson and parts for: Ruf, Joseph, Pettibone

  68. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:44 am

    The AAV apparently rains the same for the total contract…..but the acquiring team is only required to pay the part of the contract they agreed to

  69. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 am

    The AAV apparently rains the same for the total contract…..but the acquiring team is only required to pay the part of the contract they agreed to

    ****

    Well that limits the trade options goings forward then – - – -

  70. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Still like Kubel’s swing in YS – - – -

  71. DONNYBROOK December 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Salary and AAV are Not the same thing. I thought the AAV of a contract is constant throughout the duration of said contract, regardless of whether a player is traded, or whether a team eats a portion of the traded players contract or Not.

  72. 86w183 December 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Its completely consistent.

    The AAV and the player are tied together for the length of the contract.

    Each team is charged whatever percentage of that AAV they are responsible for.

    It doesn’t change the AAV, it distributes the financial responsibility to two (or more) parties that are sharing the financial obligation.

    AJ Burnett will make $ 16.5 M this year. The Yankees will be paying $ 8.5 and that’s what their luxury tax calculation will be based on. Pittsburgh is paying $ 8.0 and that’s their charge.

  73. The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 10:52 am

    AJ Burnett will make $ 16.5 M this year. The Yankees will be paying $ 8.5 and that’s what their luxury tax calculation will be based on. Pittsburgh is paying $ 8.0 and that’s their charge.

    ******

    If that is correct – then that changes my previous post about limiting trade options then – - – -

  74. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 10:58 am

    “Salary and AAV are Not the same thing. I thought the AAV of a contract is constant throughout the duration of said contract, regardless of whether a player is traded, or whether a team eats a portion of the traded players contract or Not.”

    The AAV of the total contract does apparently….but not if a team eats money…..if the trading team was off the hook for luxury tax purposes then the Yankees would have ate 99% of Arods contract and traded him a long time ago

  75. UnKnown December 2nd, 2012 at 11:01 am

    http://twitter.com/cgrand14/st.....73/photo/1

    Hey check out who Curtis ran into. Chan Ho.

  76. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 am

    The only thing that doesn’t necessarilyake sense to me is why the AAV isn’t recaluculated for th acquiring team based on what they owe the player when they acquire them…..it looks like to me that’s the way it should work but it doesn’t……

    Like for example with Upton….his contract is heavily backloaded so you’d think if the Yankess aquired him the AAV they would pay would be on what’s left from the time of the trade…..but all indications are that it doesn’t….. It just goes off the original contract so the Yankees would get the benefit of those cheap years in the AAV…..which is why he’d be attractive…..he’d be making 14 + million in actual money in 2014 and 2015…..but the AAV would only be 8+ on the luxury tax

  77. DONNYBROOK December 2nd, 2012 at 11:04 am

    If that is true, that also makes eating a big chunk of A-Rod’s contract Far less attractive. Not only would the Yanks be shelling out coin, but whatever the Yanks are eating, would still be added to the $189 Mill total. That type of calculation issa “restraint of trade” issue, that the Union should of addressed during negotiations over the CBA. I believe a fairer way of calculating AAV, would of just been to readjust the AAV of a traded players contract to whatever is remaing on the contract when traded. Any team getting J Upton and his current CBA is getting screwed. The AAV on that contract was calculated based on it’s Entire value.

  78. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 11:05 am

    “Cano and parts for: Ramos, Morse, Rendon”

    If they signed Hamilton then did this it makes the Yankees a lot better.

  79. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 11:13 am

    “If that is true, that also makes eating a big chunk of A-Rod’s contract Far less attractive. Not only would the Yanks be shelling out coin, but whatever the Yanks are eating, would still be added to the $189 Mill total”

    Yes….unless you can either get a decent player back for him that can help or get somebody to eat a chunk big enough to make a difference then it doesn’t help anything…..much better off hoping Alex can become somewhat productive again

  80. DONNYBROOK December 2nd, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Was Not aware of Upton’s contract being backloaded. Same would be true of Reyes and some of the other contracts that Miami did last offseason. Those were backloaded also. Totally inconsistent\unfair if the AAV calculation is as we currently understand it on this Blog.

  81. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 11:15 am

    When looking at trades the Yankees should try to find good players who have back loaded deals …..because most teams could careers about AAV and care about the actual money per year…..the Yanks could potentially get players….

  82. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Could potentially get players who’s AAV is actually much lower than their actual salaries…..CarGo is another example of a guy with a back loaded deal where the AAV is cheaper than what he will be paid in the coming years

  83. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 am

    The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 8:39 am
    Against All Odds December 2nd, 2012 at 8:38 am
    The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 8:29 am

    How reliable is the LostNYY???
    ——-)
    Was he the one that called the Tex signing ?

    *****

    Dunno – but his twitter feed made it sound like something is brewing but he/she wil not tell – – – -

    Oh yeah, I think “something is brewing” also, conveniently just before the GM meetings. ;)

    Specific prediction or it’s bunk.

  84. DONNYBROOK December 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 am

    The more the current CBA is brought out into the light of day, the DUMBER Hal looks for having voted in Favor of this Yankee Killer Agreement.

  85. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Upton makes I think almost 15 million in the last two years of his contract…..which is a lot to the Dbacks….and a lot of teams…..so that’s probably one reason they are shopping him to see if they can get max return before he gets expensive

  86. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Alfonso Soriano is going to be 37 next year, and of course 38 for the second year. There’s a good chance there is a decline from this year’s numbers, and it could be ugly. No thanks.

  87. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 11:22 am

    The AAV on CarGo’s deal is 11.4 million…..but he makes 16 in 2015, 17 in 2016 and 20 million in 2017……

  88. DONNYBROOK December 2nd, 2012 at 11:22 am

    What’s the AAV on CarGo??? He may actually be an all-around better buy, (on the field\on the books) than J Upton.

  89. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 am

    The Return of Stoneburner December 2nd, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Tar December 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 am
    “I am no scout – but I am waxing my poetics on Flores – and think he deserves more love – – – -”

    That’s fine, but then maybe you should be more tolerable of people who do the same thing with different players.

    *****

    I know I should – I apologized in the past about my poor behavior – and I will do it again here. I have lapses sometimes now – like last night – but I am trying – – – -
    =======================================================
    Anybody can wax poetic re: prospects, it’s just how that one does it with such condescension and sappy drama.

  90. DONNYBROOK December 2nd, 2012 at 11:27 am

    CarGo’s 5yr AAV =$11.4 would be preferable to J Upton’s 2yr AAV = $8 Mill. Now it comes down to just what players The Rocks would want.

  91. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 am

    CarGo would destroy YS but there is no indication he’s available and he would cost A LOT iid imagine…..

  92. mick December 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Now it comes down to just what players The Rocks would want.
    =================
    They would want all of our best prospects. Do it?

  93. DONNYBROOK December 2nd, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Based on the last few seasons The Rocks have had, their Mgr quitting, and the Huge backloaded $$$ on CarGo’s deal, I wouldn’t be so quick to assume they would Not deal CarGo. If I was them, I would hang onto Fowler, and deal CarGo. Remember, they did dump Ubaldo Jimenez, and that guy was supposed to be the next Koufax.

  94. tucker December 2nd, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    I realized the Yanks were on the hook for part of AJ’s actual salary, but I was unaware the Yanks were on the hook for AJ’s salary when it comes to luxury-tax consideration. AJ is no longer on the 40-man roster, which I thought was the basis for calculating a team’s existing payroll.

    What if the Yanks decided to waive ARod in another couple of years. The team would still be required to pay the rest of his contract. But would he count against the team’s AAV per luxury tax purposes? Somehow, I doubt it.

  95. jacksquat December 2nd, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    CarGo has huge home/road splits and lhp/rhp splits, no thanks.

  96. 86w183 December 2nd, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    YES, if you contribute to the salary of a departed player it IS charged to your payroll for luxury tax calculations. I posted this example above:

    AJ Burnett will make $ 16.5 M this year. The Yankees will be paying $ 8.5 and that’s what their luxury tax calculation will be based on. Pittsburgh is paying $ 8.0 and that’s their charge.

  97. tucker December 2nd, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    86, Is there a link that explains this? I’m curious what happens if a player is waived and no longer in baseball.

  98. 86w183 December 2nd, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Tucker —–

    I’ve just read the collective bargaining agreement in an effort to understand this stuff. It’s easily google-able.

    Any payments to players under MLB contracts or to other teams counts on the payroll regardless of whether or not they are still on your roster or even active in MLB.

  99. blake December 2nd, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    “If that is true, that also makes eating a big chunk of A-Rod’s contract Far less attractive. Not only would the Yanks be shelling out coin, but whatever the Yanks are eating, would still be added to the $189 Mill total”

    Yes it would still count

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