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A bright spot on a bad day

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 03, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This has been a day of bad news for the Yankees, but let’s end it with one nice little nugget that was easily overshadowed. Former Yankees owner Jacob Ruppert has been elected for the Hall of Fame.

“The election of Jacob Ruppert to the Hall of Fame is a great honor for the Yankees organization,” Yankees managing general partner Hal Steinbrenner said in a released statement. “Under his leadership, the Yankees became the most popular and successful team in Baseball, setting the standard which we try to uphold today.”

Here’s the Associated Press story.

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Jacob Ruppert brought Babe Ruth to New York, built Yankee Stadium and transformed the pinstripers into baseball’s most dominant power. He did so much, many people just figured the owner called the Colonel was already enshrined at the Hall of Fame.

“We were surprised to learn he wasn’t,” former Yankees player and executive Bob Watson said.

Watson and a 16-member Hall panel changed that Monday, electing Ruppert, longtime umpire Hank O’Day and barehanded catcher Deacon White for their excellence through the first half of the 20th century.

The trio was picked from by the Hall’s pre-integration panel — part of what once was known as the Veterans Committee — and gave the shrine exactly 300 members.

“The family is so thrilled,” great-grand-nephew K. Jacob Ruppert told The Associated Press by phone. “His mark is now indelible.”

“Growing up, I was under the impression that he was inducted sometime in the 1940s or 1950s. But I guess it never happened. Some things in history aren’t appreciated. If it’s not in the here and now, it’s off the radar screen.”

The Hall announcement was made at baseball’s winter meetings. Induction ceremonies will be held July 28 in Cooperstown, N.Y., and the younger Ruppert is planning his first visit to the shrine.

“I’ll grab some of my cousins, too,” he said.

Ruppert and a partner bought the Yankees in 1915 and quickly turned them into a force. Under Ruppert’s reign, the Yankees bought Ruth from the Boston Red Sox and presided over the club’s first six World Series championships.

“This was the Colonel’s toy. He liked to bring big stars to the team and built them a place to play, much the same way George Steinbrenner did,” Ruppert’s relative said.

O’Day umpired in 10 World Series, including the first one in 1903. He worked 35 years and made one of the most famous calls in the game’s history, ruling Fred Merkle out in a 1908 play that long lived in baseball lore as “Merkle’s Boner.” He was the 10th umpire to go into the Hall.

White played from 1871-1890, starting out as a catcher without a glove and later moving to third base. He was a three-time RBIs leader, once topping the league with 49 RBIs when baseball hardly resembled the game it is today.

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316 Responses to “A bright spot on a bad day”

  1. tucker December 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Do you think Col. Ruppert mined the abacus like Hal does the spreadsheet?

    Ruppert: Who is this Babe Ruth character? Too much. Get me Home Run Baker instead on a one-year deal.

  2. Barry December 3rd, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    The story of Col. Ruppert and the emergence of the Yanks is told in detail by Marty Appel in Pinstripe Empire. Hard to believe this hasn’t been flying off the shlves.

  3. UnKnown December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    Looking for the Hamilton news to break in about an hour or so.

    Still hopeful.

  4. jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    teixeiramark25 What happened the last time ARod had hip surgery and started the season on the DL? Oh yeah, he dominated and we won

    You also hit .292/.383/.565 with 43 doubles, 39 hr’s, and 122 rbi, and was 2nd in MVP voting, can’t wait for that.

  5. LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 10:17 pm
    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    What position is Mike Napoli playing in Boston? That’s a lot of money for a player who plays no position well and can’t DH (Ortiz).

    ——–

    Uhh 1B and C. Is that a real question.

  6. LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    I’ll take Napoli with his below average defense, but hit tool, versatility, and contract over Tex

    That’s for sure.

  7. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Uhh 1B and C. Is that a real question.

    ********

    Uhhhh – yes – when the statement after the question reads: “That’s a lot of money for a player who plays no position well – - – -”

  8. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    mlb.com lists mauro gomez as the red socks’ first baseman.

  9. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    versatility

    *****

    There is no versatility if he plays poor defense – - – - -

  10. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    “You also hit .292/.383/.565 with 43 doubles, 39 hr’s, and 122 rbi, and was 2nd in MVP voting, can’t wait for that.”

    When will matsui and Damon and Posada be joining the club also….and a 4 years younger Arod

  11. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    I’ll take Napoli with his below average defense, but hit tool, versatility, and contract over Tex

    That’s for sure.

    *****

    Trying to change for the better – will leave it as just this – there is so much wrong with this statement(s) that it would take too long to write. So I am going to end here – ignore – and go with my initial gut – - -

  12. LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    There is no versatility if he plays poor defense – – – – -

    ——

    Of course there is. And he isn’t even that bad defensively. Below average but definitely respectable at both 1B and C.

  13. RMS December 3rd, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Don’t think RS were thinking defense when they signed Napoli.

  14. Tar December 3rd, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    “I’ll take Napoli with his below average defense, but hit tool, versatility, and contract over Tex”

    Not taking money into account, no way I pick Napoli over Tex.

  15. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    versatility

    *****

    There is no versatility if he plays poor defense – – – – -

    ******

    I can’t stop myself – this will be the last one – I promise – it is like saying Raul Ibanez offered so much versatility – - -no he just happen play the OF – but it is far from ideal – - – -

  16. LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Would you rather have some schmo like Stewart or Whiteside as your BUC who supposedly are good defensively or a dude like Napoli who can mash and hold his own behind the dish?

  17. LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Seriously comparing Raul’s D to Napoli?

  18. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Man I miss that 2009 Teixera….having that player would be huge for this team

  19. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    as your BUC

    ******

    Last one on this – now I do promise – I would not want my BUC making 13 million a year for 3 years – - – -the Rangers thought the same – - – -

  20. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    “Not taking money into account, no way I pick Napoli over Tex.”

    You have to take money in to account and Napoli makes a whole lot less of it than Tex does…..

  21. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    Wren told reporters including MLB.com’s Mark Bowman that while no player is untouchable, shortstop Andrelton Simmons is “unreachable.”
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#fsUzH2CIeZiA3f5A.99

    *****

    Posturing? Or would they really turn down Justin Upton for Simmons and company – - – -

  22. LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    Last one on this – now I do promise – I would not want my BUC making 13 million a year for 3 years – – – -the Rangers thought the same – – – -

    ——-

    You don’t want your STARTING 1B and BUC making $13M per year?

    Look at what 1B get paid.

  23. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    “Posturing? Or would they really turn down Justin Upton for Simmons and company”

    They seem serious….Simmons is good and A decent SS is very hard to find…..

    thing is that for me though that a talent like Upton is even harder to find so I would probably make the deal…..I can understand why the Braves wouldn’t though

  24. Tar December 3rd, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    “You have to take money in to account and Napoli makes a whole lot less of it than Tex does…..”

    Ok taking the Yankees money into account, no way I pick Napoli as my 1b over Tex.

  25. RadioKev December 3rd, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Eh, Teixeira is significantly better in the field, and bad Tex hits around career average Mike Napoli. The money is what it is, but Teixeira is the superior player.

  26. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    “Ok taking the Yankees money into account, no way I pick Napoli as my 1b over Tex.”

    Given their budget….you’re talking 10 million less per year for about the same offense and worse defense at 1B….but a guy that can catch as well…..

    Id rather have Napoli and his contract than Tex and the remainder of his for the money difference if nothing else…..you could add another good player for the difference

  27. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    Time to quit complaining or gloating over other teams’ contracts. They are paying the negotiated price. It is the market value. Just because the Yankees won’t pay doesn’t mean prices aren’t going up. They are. That’s another big problem for the Yankees.

  28. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Tex is also in a pretty steady decline at the plate…..OPS is slipping annually……they really really need him to be closer to the player they signed next year…..he’s likely never gonna be that 2009 version again but they need more than they are getting from him.

  29. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Anyway gnight…..I expect Cash to be up all night courting Raul and watching Finding Bigfoot reruns or whatever he does at these meetings

  30. Tar December 3rd, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    “Given their budget….you’re talking 10 million less per year for about the same offense and worse defense at 1B….but a guy that can catch as well…..”

    I think You are undervaluing what a great everyday defensive 1b brings to a team over a what a bad 1b brings. And also over valuing what a back up catcher brings to the team. Back up catchers are not that important, starting catchers are.

    And I will believe this budget stuff when the roster is set.

  31. Pat M. December 3rd, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Tar……Pissing in the wind……BosSox fans are going to run Naps into the ground after he takes a few grounders off his noodle, especially after watching A-Gon …..Naps isn’t even a full time player because of his hands of stone ….He’s bad man with zero range

  32. LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    Pat

    What do you think about Napoli getting twice as much money than Martin?

  33. Pat M. December 3rd, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    8 Mil a year vs. 13 million is not really twice but then again Boston paid far more than any other club would even consider …..You and Face can pump up Naps all you want but I’ve watched him more in a half season than you to have combined over the course of his career….He’ll be moved before that contract is final…..Just glad he’s not in the Bronx for 13 million…..

  34. Triple Short of a Cycle December 3rd, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    More Pollyanna nonsense

  35. oak2455 December 3rd, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    Napoli over paid….. enjoy Cherry Blossom

  36. Triple Short of a Cycle December 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    He is overpaid just like every other free agent

  37. LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    39M is certainly more than twice 17.5M.

  38. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    8 Mil a year vs. 13 million is not really twice

    -

    Some math help for you. 39 millon vs 17 million , Napoli actually got twice as much as Martin in free agency

  39. oak2455 December 3rd, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    Napoli = 0 D

  40. Tar December 3rd, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    The Rangers didn’t even make him a qualifying offer of 1 year at 13 mil. But the Sox saw him as worth 3 years at that amount. I think the Sox over-paid.

  41. Tar December 3rd, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    “Some math help for you. 39 millon vs 17 million , Napoli actually got twice as much as Martin in free agency”

    That’s funny math. Martin’s is a 2 year deal, naps 3 but you know that.

  42. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    The Rangers didn’t even make him a qualifying offer of 1 year at 13 mil. But the Sox saw him as worth 3 years at that amount. I think the Sox over-paid.

    A team for not making a call in a new system does not necessarily correlate with how they think of a player. Remember that before Napoli signed he was the one they were trying to retain, not Hamilton, who they did offer a QO too.

    The QO strategy from front offices is new and untested right now. The same thing happened with arbitration and picks, as it became a more well known system you saw more guys getting picked up purely for the arb offer to grab draft picks. In the future you’ll see more teams offering shrewd QO to guys they expect want to test free agency.

  43. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    That’s funny math. Martin’s is a 2 year deal, naps 3 but you know that.

    How is it funny math? Its guaranteed money, Tar. A team was willing to commit 39 million to Napoli vs 17 for Martin. There is nothing funny about it. Not only is Napoli making 5 million more per year than Martin, but he was given an extra 13 million on top of it.

  44. Pat M. December 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    Naps is getting paid 13 million a season right ??? Martin is getting 8.5 right ??? All I’m going to say is that this season alone, Napoli will cost the Sox 3 wins and his lack of glove will cost them another 3 games defensivley when compared to the likes of A-Gon and Texeria…..I don’t think you guys realize how bad he really is with the leather

  45. oak2455 December 3rd, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    WELL DONE SOX!!!! HAAAAA

  46. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    Napoli will make more in his Red Sox contract than Martin has made in his entire career so far, including his pitt contract.

  47. oak2455 December 3rd, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    Bad deal as are most of these deals coming out today

  48. Tar December 3rd, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    “A team for not making a call in a new system does not necessarily correlate with how they think of a player.”

    In this case I think it means the Rangers think Naps is not worth that much money.

    Doesn’t look good for the Giants.

  49. Triple Short of a Cycle December 3rd, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    Doesn’t look good for the Giants.

    ———————-

    Hard to win when you have to play the refs as well

  50. Pat M. December 3rd, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    Face….You’re tactics and spining of numbers I find most entertaining, much like your ability to recognize talent on the field…….You’re a number crunching guy out of the mold of Hal….Your spreadsheets are only a support mechanism….Can’t wait until he stretches the wrong way on a DP turn by Pedroia……..

  51. oak2455 December 3rd, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    how has that girl of age maybe 13, been waiting 80 years for RG3……..dumb lil gal

  52. oak2455 December 3rd, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    wow he’s pretty……………………………………………………………………………..

  53. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    Can’t wait until he stretches the wrong way on a DP turn by Pedroia

    Oh boy and I can’t wait until Martin allows another passed ball or stolen base or struggles to clear the mendoza line. You’re like a little kid, Pat M, no surprise you chose to hang around em. You’re still aching from being so so incorrect, and I know it kills you because you wanna be an old timey knows baseball guy, but let it go. There is no spin when a team pays 1 player 22 million more than another.

    Pop some pills and take a nap.

  54. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    Its like this, if Josh Hamilton gets 4 years 80 million, he will make 20 million per year, but a team is only paying him 80 million total. In no world would you say he is being paid the same as Votto, Pujols, A-rod, or whoever. They are making so much more guaranteed money. If Martin continues to decline he will be looking at smaller and smaller pay days. If Hamilton breaks down he will be out of baseball.

    Like length of contract doesn’t matter?

  55. Pat M. December 4th, 2012 at 12:05 am

    So under your new philosphy Face, the annual salaries doesn’t matter anymore , or just too support your current need to be argumentative ???? On that note, good night baseball fans and good morning Doreen and the breakfast club……Jerkface, you amuse me

  56. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 12:06 am

    I never said AAV doesn’t matter, it simply doesn’t matter in this particular discussion because a team guaranteed more money to 1 player over another. That you are innumerate is not really my concern.

  57. DONNYBROOK December 4th, 2012 at 12:28 am

    Don’t know if the R\Sox signed Napoli, with trading Salty for something else in mind, but I would rather have Youk than Napoli. Yea, I know, they ran Youk outta town, but burning that bridge is hurting them now, and Valentine is gone to boot.
    I would guess the A-Rod hip story details are gonna change daily. Cashman Now claiming there was NO pain with the hip, yet Rosenthal reports A-Rod went to the hospital due to pain. I would be interested in knowing how many other players have torn both hip labrums, and what their performance was like before vs after.

  58. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 12:43 am

    Napoli is not that good…. but the Sox will see they overpaid :))

  59. Pat M. December 4th, 2012 at 12:56 am

    Donnybrook….I tore mine ( lefthip ) and I’ve had my hip replaced 3 times now over the past 18 years plus a reconstruction…..Funny thing was that it would hurt ( almost like a groin muscle ) and then the pain would slowly go away……But in reality I was destroying the joint and socket as the protective fluid was basically leaking out…..Strted when I was 40 and still playing fastpitch softball…..That came to an end came quickly

  60. theREALkevin December 4th, 2012 at 1:21 am

    Jerkface and pat m battles just never get old…

  61. sammiejohnson December 4th, 2012 at 2:19 am

    I am far more the lurker than a poster…. But I have read all the comments in the last few threads (I have like a huge headache). I can only summarize all the comments as follows:

    1.) A-Rod is a prick.
    2.) Joe Girardi is a prick. And he needs a BINDER!
    3.) Hal is a rich prick.
    4.) George NEVER would have let THIS happen.
    5.) Hank is worse than a prick.
    6.) Anyone who thinks that trading Montero was a good idea is a prick.
    7.) Cashman is a REALLY, REALLY stupid prick! (Some feel that he should be hung, but then there is the “sympathetic group” who feel that Tar & Feathering would be enough.)
    8.) Robinson Cano is a prick for wanting a big contract. How DARE he! Who does he think he is, JoeyBats?
    9.) Mark Teixiera is a prick for taking all that money we offered him.
    10.) Blake really wants to sign Josh Hamilton.
    11.) MTU really wants to trade for John Jaso.
    12.) Apparently, Shame is ogulating.

    That’s it from here.

  62. Nick in SF December 4th, 2012 at 3:10 am

    I’m sensing a theme.

  63. Cashmoney December 4th, 2012 at 3:55 am

    like Texas signing of Soria in what one could consider fair deal for both party. It’s a calculated risk well worth taking when i consider Texas bp. Of course, I want the Yanks to sign him for the price of a pedro feliciano and for mo’s backup. regardless, good move by Rangers imo in equating risk and reward. John Daniel is a pretty good GM.

  64. Cashmoney December 4th, 2012 at 4:10 am

    Arod’s hip made me think of Manban’s shoulder? In both case, i think the Yanks would obvious rather avoid surgeries and came to conclusions months late that they would serve the said individuals better if they did and well serve themselves. Two things i don’t envy Cashman for (by the way he start to look like an emaciated gnome) is that having to tell his boss both Pineda and Manbam are out for a long period of time.

  65. Cashmoney December 4th, 2012 at 4:11 am

    there is almost no reason for the mets not to trade Dickey.

  66. blake December 4th, 2012 at 5:25 am

    Hoynes writes that the Indians had a deal in place to acquire a Major League pitcher and two high-level prospects for Cabrera. That trade fell through when Cleveland asked that a third prospect be included in the package. The potential acquiring team would have switched Cabrera’s position, for those who would like to play the speculation game.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....Drkx3xq.99

    Hmm

  67. blake December 4th, 2012 at 6:04 am

    @Buster_ESPN: NYY have been open to talks about Curtis Granderson. If they move his $15m salary, it would provide more flexibility to do other things.

  68. Doreen December 4th, 2012 at 6:06 am

    I like the quote: “This was the Colonel’s toy.”

  69. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 6:34 am

    Good morning you two Earlybirds.

  70. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 6:37 am

    “Cashman said in late October that he would keep an open mind in regards to trading Granderson, but stressed the difficulty of replacing a 40-homer bat in center field”

    Blake-

    Don’t you have a solution for that ?

    ;)

  71. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 6:38 am

    Make that 3 Earlybirds.

    Sorry Cash.

    :(

  72. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 6:39 am

    Good morning Blake and Doreen-

    Had the same thoughts about the nixed trade of Cabrera.

    Some options for 3rd

    Cornering some options at 3B
    By JOEL SHERMAN
    Last Updated: 5:54 AM, December 4, 2012

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....MTlDI6RxCL

    Add to the list:
    Yunel Escobar
    David Adams
    Ronnier Mustelier

    Besides starting one of Adams or Mustelier are any of the above FA’s really going to take only a one year deal?

  73. tomingeorgia December 4th, 2012 at 6:40 am

    Morning, all.

  74. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 6:40 am

    LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    I’ll take Napoli with his below average defense, but hit tool, versatility, and contract over Tex

    That’s for sure.
    ————————-
    Napoli has had two above average offensive seasons in his career.

  75. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 6:42 am

    YT-

    There is a much more obvious solution for us at 3rd.

    Makes a ton of sense. Would be a great sub for A-Rod

    Care to guess who I’m thinking of ?

    p.s. I’m not absolutely mandatory that the replacement take a 1 yr. deal. Depends on the cost.

    ;)

  76. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 6:43 am

    Good morning Cash and MTU

    Still trying to figure out the timing of the announcement that ARod would need surgery,as apparently Cashman knew it for a week or so. Leaked to the press. Now the cost has gone up for a replacement.

  77. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 6:43 am

    Morning Tom.

  78. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 6:45 am

    YT-

    My solution would cost approx. 5 Mil.

    Would likely outproduce what we could have gotten out of A-Rod.

    Really a pretty obvious one at that IMO.

    ;)

  79. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 6:47 am

    It involves a platoon.

  80. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 6:47 am

    Chip and Tom-

    Good morning.

    Tom-Too bad Georgia didn’t have about 30 more seconds on the time clock.

    Chip-Napoli will probably be a doubles machine off the green monster.

    MTU-Are you thinking of a 3rd baseman not on the list above, or just Chase Headley?

  81. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 6:48 am

    I’m most concerned about obtaining a younger, better version of Swisher.

    But I think that’s within reach too.

    :)

  82. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 6:50 am

    Not on that list.

    Not headley. Althought he’d be great.

    It’s a more low-tech solution.

    :)

  83. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 6:50 am

    MTU

    One is lefty Chavez, the other won’t take a platoon job-Jeff Keppinger!

    Did I get it right?

    Chavez now might want 2 years-no injuries last year.

  84. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 6:51 am

    Joel Sherman on Yankee Hot Stove said that the Yankees don’t feel that David Adams is ready for the majors yet – they would like him to play at least a little in AAA. Here’s my thing on this:

    1. He should have been at AAA last year.
    2. Having said that, I have no problem with the Yankees saying this. I wouldn’t want them to just hand him the job in December. Have him come to spring training knowing that he has to prove that he’s ready. But if his bat plays this spring like it did all last season and this fall then you can’t be afraid to give him a shot.

    If the Yankees can sign a middle infielder – either Drew (not likely) or Keppinger (also not likely) or even Nakajima I would still be in favor of them doing a deal with Arizona. Try for both Chris Johnson and Jason Kubel; put Kubel in RF/DH and Johnson at 3b/DH to open the season. If you can’t sign a MIF then maybe a three way deal with Curtis Granderson going somewhere for prospects that head to Arizona. Maybe engage Milwaukee who is said to be looking at Josh Hamilton?

    I don’t see Cody Ross or Scott Hairston as being likely – Jonny Gomes got 2 years for $5 per year – Ross and Hairston both had better seasons than Gomes did and are better defensive players than Gomes is so why would either of them sign for anything close to that?

    My great fear is that RF is going to end up being a platoon of Ibanez and Jones.

  85. Doreen December 4th, 2012 at 6:52 am

    Good morning everyone.

    Given the costs of free agents this season, and the apparent willingness of other teams to overpay in terms of dollars and years, in spite of railing against the Yankees for over a decade for doing the same I might add, the Yankees may have a “youth movement” thrust upon them.

    If they can’t find trades that net the proper value for the pieces they’re willing to move, they may find that Romine at catcher and Adams at third is at least a short-term solution. And who knows? They could end up doing well. Stranger things have happened.

  86. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 6:52 am

    Trader –

    You’re probably right on Napoli, assuming he makes contact.

    That doesn’t mean he would’ve been a good signing for the Yankees though and I certainly wouldn’t take him over Tex.

  87. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 6:52 am

    Eduardo Nunez?

  88. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 6:53 am

    YT-

    Yes. That’s mostly it.

    Keppinger would get plenty of playing time. And he certainly would take that type of job coming off an injury, being his age, and getting paid. I’d offer him a 1 + 1 type contract w. a solid buyout.

    He’s worth it.

    Chavez is NOT getting 2 yrs. with his history.

  89. Doreen December 4th, 2012 at 6:55 am

    Chip agree with your #2 statement about Adams. The should at least be open to giving Adams (and perhaps others) a genuine shot at making the team out of spring.

    Jones should be history. I haven’t got reservations about Raul. He did what they hired him to do, and more. He had some very big hits for the Yankees all year long (yes, I know he also had a drought), and played a ton more games than was ever anticipated. So, if Raul is back in the role he was originally hired to have, I’m more than okay with that.

  90. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 6:56 am

    Or platoon Adams with Chavez or Keppinger.

    All three would be great. Tons of potential and lot’s of versatility.

    Could easily hold the fort til A-rod returns.

    ;)

  91. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 6:57 am

    MTU -

    The problem is that coming off his best season as a pro I don’t think Keppinger is going to be interested in a utility role. Also there are enough teams that need 3b for him to not have to settle for one. He could go to the White Sox, Braves, A’s or Phillies and play every day at 3b or go to San Francisco, San Diego, Rockies, Astros or Marlins as an every day 2b . Same reason I don’t think Stephen Drew would sign on to be a utility guy.

  92. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 6:58 am

    We have 3 main areas of need :

    OF
    3B
    C

    That’s what Cashman needs to concentrate on.

    The 1st item will be the most difficult IMO as we have no in-house options.

  93. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 6:58 am

    Chip-
    Kubel and Chris Johnson. Who will start at 3rd for the DBacks-rookie Ryan Wheeler. Trade Kubel and now your OF is Upton, Eaton and Parra. Still think Upton will be the one dealt.

  94. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 7:01 am

    Chip-

    If you give him the right type of deal he’ll sign with us.

    He’s worth getting as long as his demands don’t get too ridiculous.

    I’d be willing to go 2 yrs. for Keppinger. A 1 + 1 .

    If someone is willing to overpay then we go w Chavez/Adams.

  95. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 7:03 am

    Blake-

    That article on Asdrubal Cabrera. I too had wondered if the team was the Yankees. I doubt this, since the asking price for Cabrera is apparently pretty high right now, but I wonder if the Yankees, Indians and DBacks could pull off a 3 way trade that nets the Yankees Upton, the Dbacks Cabrera and the Indians prospects?

  96. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 7:04 am

    And if you really want to aim high you try for Gordon or Headley.

    that would be a longterm solution.

  97. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 7:08 am

    Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 6:58 am

    Chip-
    Kubel and Chris Johnson. Who will start at 3rd for the DBacks-rookie Ryan Wheeler. Trade Kubel and now your OF is Upton, Eaton and Parra. Still think Upton will be the one dealt.
    ———————

    Trader -

    Report out of AZ late last night is that they have Kubel on the block.

    As for who plays 3b…if the Yankees send them Nunez they can play him at SS and Pennington at 3b.

  98. blake December 4th, 2012 at 7:10 am

    “but I wonder if the Yankees, Indians and DBacks could pull off a 3 way trade that nets the Yankees Upton, the Dbacks Cabrera and the Indians prospects?”

    It’s about the only way I can see to get Upton potentially and we discussed that yesterday

  99. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 7:10 am

    Which FA’s will be signed today?

    Greinke-Stays in LA taking the big Dodger offer or wants the comfort of Arlington and takes less to be a Ranger?

    If Greinke is a Ranger, is Hamilton now gone?

    Trades:

    Which catcher is Toronto dealing? Salty traded today to the WS for Gavin Floyd?

  100. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 7:11 am

    MTU -

    I like Jeff Keppinger, always have – I just think he would be silly to not cash in on his career year. It was the first time he got to play as a regular and he did very well; why settle for a back up role when there are so many regular jobs out there and so few good players available?

  101. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 7:11 am

    I still believe a big trade or two is possible.

    No reason not to.

    Upton is in play for now. And I’m sure there are others that we don’t know about.

  102. yanks61 December 4th, 2012 at 7:11 am

    Good morning early risers!

    I read the following from Tyler Kepner of the NYTimes this morning:

    The long-term contracts for Rodriguez, C. C. Sabathia and Teixeira hinder the flexibility of a team trying to get its 2014 payroll below $189 million, to avoid the crippling luxury-tax rates included in the new collective bargaining agreement.

    That agreement was designed, like the ones before it, in part to make it harder for the Yankees to waltz into the playoffs every year. Somehow, except for 2008, they continue to find a way, a credit to their business model and pro scouting staff.

    Let me repeat that last sentence:

    “Somehow, except for 2008, they continue to find a way, a credit to their business model and pro scouting staff.”

    Doesn’t Kepner realize how severely this conflicts with the common Lohud favored meme? :)

    As we go forward, I would personally prefer to see the Yanks divest themselves of Granderson and, as much as I hate to say it, Cano, and KEEP the major prospects. Yes, it’s true that only a few will probably become viable MLB players, but who knows for certain which few they will be? You trade the farm for an Opton or Stanton and it seems to me that you’re putting all your eggs in one basket. If the guy gets hit by a bus, you’re in deep do-do.

    In any case, being an older fan means that I probably have more tolerance for a few years of not making the post season. I’d prefer to see what the Yanks have in their mL prospects and the hope Hal opens his wallet again in 2015. But that’s just me. Anyway, have a good day everyone.

  103. Triple Short of a Cycle December 4th, 2012 at 7:12 am

    Yankee Trader,

    You forgot 1 thing

    The Yankees do nothing

  104. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 7:14 am

    Chip-

    I still think most teams see Kepp as a BU guy despite last season.

    Who says he can reproduce that as a FT’er again ?

    That would be a bit of a gamble on some team’s part.

    I say we offer him a 1 plus 1 and see if he bites.

    We have nothing to lose in trying.

    We still have other options in Chavez, Adams, and Nix.

    I always prefer we aim high.

    ;)

  105. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 7:14 am

    Trader -

    I think Arencibia (sp) gets traded to the Mets as part of a deal for R.A.

    If Hamilton does sign elsewhere, would the Yankees engage Texas for Granderson? Maybe Granderson for Mike Olt and David Murphy?

  106. blake December 4th, 2012 at 7:15 am

    @AndrewMarchand: Day 2: Josh Hamilton, $189M & ‘possible’ http://t.co/62V1Cc2F

  107. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 7:15 am

    Chip

    I noticed Kubel had 14 assists playing LF. Is his arm that good and would he play RF in NY? He also struck out 151 times in 506 ab’s.

  108. blake December 4th, 2012 at 7:16 am

    “If Hamilton does sign elsewhere, would the Yankees engage Texas for Granderson? Maybe Granderson for Mike Olt and David Murphy?”

    They should ask but I don’t know they’d even do Olt straight up

  109. Triple Short of a Cycle December 4th, 2012 at 7:16 am

    For the people here who expect the Yanks to open up their wallets in 2015. Has anyone seen that free agent class? It is atrocious

  110. Mike Ri December 4th, 2012 at 7:17 am

    Maybe Cashman will make a move today !! . . . I got a good feeling !!!

  111. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 7:18 am

    The Yankees and Texas are not gonna do buisness FWIS.

    They are direct competitors.

    Don’t see them helping each other.

    Not much different than the Yankees/Sux IMO.

    ;)

  112. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 7:18 am

    Trader -

    Kubel’s a bad defensive player – I think he probably got the 14 assists because the opposition figures that he’s the kind of guy you force to throw you out. For the Yankees yeah I would put him in RF.

    I don’t like the K rate either but as we’ve seen lately this team doesn’t seem to mind it so long as the return is big power which Kubel absolutely has.

  113. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 7:21 am

    Can’t understand why so many are looking at stopgap guys when the OS has barely started.

    Aim higher for now.

    We can always settle in those types of guys later.

    That’s what I hope Cashman is doing.

    ;)

  114. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 7:22 am

    Blake-

    Still hoping for that big signing of Hamilton. I’d be overjoyed, but in reality that probably means that Cano will be traded sometime during the season.

    I think it’s more likely that the big splash in the FA market for the Yankees will be a large one year payday for catcher AJ Pierzinkski.

  115. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 7:24 am

    YT-

    I’d be happy to get a good-hitting C like AJ P in the fold.

    But I think we can do more than just that. And we should.

  116. blake December 4th, 2012 at 7:26 am

    “Still hoping for that big signing of Hamilton. I’d be overjoyed, but in reality that probably means that Cano will be traded sometime during the season.”

    Nah I think they’d keep him and go for it in 2013….then make a decision on him next winter….. Maybe if they won the WS they wound say screw the budget

  117. yanks61 December 4th, 2012 at 7:26 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle December 4th, 2012 at 7:16 am
    For the people here who expect the Yanks to open up their wallets in 2015. Has anyone seen that free agent class? It is atrocious

    ———————————————————————

    OK, so you have to wait another year. It’s character building! :)

    Besides, that will give the Yanks another year to evaluate the young talent they have and give them even more to spend when they determine what they need. See, it’s easy; you just look on the bright side of life:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M

  118. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 7:27 am

    Trader –

    I brought this up yesterday, but I think that the only way (with the budget) that the Yankees can sign Hamilton is if the commit to trading Cano. The alternative would be to just let Robbie walk at the end of the year.

    Now I’m fine with it, I think 4 years of Hamilton plus whatever Cano can bring in trade is better both short and long term than 8 years of Cano.

  119. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 7:31 am

    Blake -

    I think winning the WS would make them less likely to say “screw the budget.” Think about it – the last time the Yankees went crazy with the checkbook was after the one season they didn’t make the playoffs because they felt they had to do something bold to reach out to the fan base and open the new stadium.

    I think if you really want the whole budget thing to be flushed then what you have to root for is, shamefully, a disaster of a season with an empty stadium. And even then I don’t know if Hal would be willing to backtrack.

  120. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 7:32 am

    61-

    I do not understand the level of pessimism in here.

    Concern yes.

    We have a great pitching staff, an excellent BP, and all we really need to do is provide respectable solutions in RF, 3b, and at C.

    The spot I’m most concerned about is the Swisher replacement.

    I believe the others have ready solutions. Plenty of ways to attack that.

    There is still plenty of time. We have lot’s of good trade chips.

    The Yankees have to see the threats they face. And not addressing them adequately wil just cause them to sink.

    I do not believe they are gonna allow that to happen.

    It’s bad buisness.

  121. blake December 4th, 2012 at 7:32 am

    “I brought this up yesterday, but I think that the only way (with the budget) that the Yankees can sign Hamilton is if the commit to trading Cano. The alternative would be to just let Robbie walk at the end of the year.”

    If they sign Hamilton then it’s to win now…..And winning now doesn’t involve trading cano for prospects

  122. blake December 4th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    “I think winning the WS would make them less likely to say “screw the budget”

    Maybe….but it might keep them from lettin their best player walk….I just don’t think they can get enough back for Cano in a trade and I think their window is closing…..Id rather go for it now and let him walk than trade him unless the return is huge……Id just have to see what they are getting back

  123. Doreen December 4th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    If it’s (the 2015 FA class) is so atrocious, would you want them to open their wallets? Seriously.

    One of the problems in MLB is that if you’re the best of the FAs you get money the same as if you were the best, period. I don’t want the Yankees getting the top free agent just because he’s the top free agent that year. I want them to be more discerning. And as we’re seeing, it’s more about contract length. Shorter is better, unless you have a phenom that you can lock up in the early years.

  124. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    The ideal situation for the Yankees would have ARod retiring before the 2014 season. Make him a limited partner, give him a skybox, and let him be a consultant. This will net him a windfall when the Yankees are sold in the next few years. :)

  125. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    blake December 4th, 2012 at 7:32

    If they sign Hamilton then it’s to win now…..And winning now doesn’t involve trading cano for prospects
    ————————

    Why? It wouldn’t be a one year deal for Hamilton anyway.

    And who said prospects – I think you can get a couple of established major leaguers for Cano. Not guys who are as good as Robbie, but guys who can fill the other holes the team has. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, having Cano and Hamilton is nice, but you’re not going to win with the gaping holes behind the plate and at 3b or LF with them. If I can get a couple of good players for Cano who can step in and contribute immediately, I would do that. Especially if the alternative is one shot at the title and then losing Cano for a draft pick anyway.

  126. Doreen December 4th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Yanks61 -

    I like the way you think. :)

  127. blake December 4th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    @AndrewMarchand: The Yankees might be too worried about Hamilton & NYC, but still trading Grandy opens up a lot of possibilities.

  128. blake December 4th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    @AndrewMarchand: Trading Granderson makes the most sense as a big time move to get younger and add financial flex to be players at various levels in FA.

  129. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    The ideal situation for the Yankees would have ARod retiring before the 2014 season. Make him a limited partner, give him a skybox, and let him be a consultant. This will net him a windfall when the Yankees are sold in the next few years
    ———————–

    Agreed – unless the hip physically prevents him from playing though I don’t see that happening.

  130. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 7:39 am

    YT-

    I like your proposed A-Rod solution.

    :)

  131. blake December 4th, 2012 at 7:40 am

    “Why? It wouldn’t be a one year deal for Hamilton .”

    Because Cano may be gone next year…. Because Rivera and Kuroda and Pettite will be gone…..because everyone else will be a year older …just think they have a window now that could close after 2013 with the players they’ll lose , the age, and the 2014 budget

  132. blake December 4th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    “And who said prospects – I think you can get a couple of established major leaguers for Cano. ”

    I don’t think you’re get big leaguers anywhere near as impactful as cano is

  133. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    MTU-

    I’m preparing myself for a platoon in RF of Dickerson/Mesa, Adams or Mustelier at 3rd, and Romine/Cervelli behind the plate. That way I’ll be pleasantly surprised when the RF is Upton, 3rd is Scutaro or Keppinger and catcher is Pierzynski and Romine with a bench of Ibanez and Ichiro, plus Adams and Nunez.

  134. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    YT-
    The first scenario will not happen IMO because they will not be able to compete with it.

    They will know that and not want to sink that far.

    Every team in the division has gotten signifcantly stronger.

    Running in place is not an option.

    ;)

  135. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 7:48 am

    blake December 4th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    “And who said prospects – I think you can get a couple of established major leaguers for Cano. ”

    I don’t think you’re get big leaguers anywhere near as impactful as cano is
    ————-

    Of course you can’t – Cano is one of the 5 best players in the game right now. But the point is he is one player. If I can get 2 or 3 players who make me better in other spots than I am right now I’ll take the hit at 2b.

    Just as a for example, assuming the Yankees sign Hamilton, if I can get the Nats to a deal where they give the Yankees Morse, Espinosa, Ramos and a prospect like Rendon for Cano and a pitching prospect like Warren – then I improve the team in 2 spots (RF and C) get a young switch hitter with power at 2b to replace Cano and a long term solution for 3b in Rendon. That not only doesn’t hurt the team too badly this year but it extends that window. On the other hand, if Cano walks after the season as a FA then I’m left with a draft pick that is going to take years to develop, a gaping hole at 2b that I can hopefully fill with Corban Joseph or David Adams, still nothing in RF or at 3b or at C for at least another year or two.

  136. upstate kate December 4th, 2012 at 7:48 am

    Good morning
    I would be totally shocked if the Yankees let Cano go. He is the upcoming face of the franchise.

  137. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 7:49 am

    Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    MTU-

    I’m preparing myself for a platoon in RF of Dickerson/Mesa, Adams or Mustelier at 3rd, and Romine/Cervelli behind the plate. That way I’ll be pleasantly surprised when the RF is Upton, 3rd is Scutaro or Keppinger and catcher is Pierzynski and Romine with a bench of Ibanez and Ichiro, plus Adams and Nunez.
    ————–

    I’m preparing for Ibanez and Jones in RF.

    I wouldn’t mind Adams or Mustelier at 3b or Romine behind the plate.

  138. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    Greeting kate.

    Good to see your round again.

    :)

  139. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    edit: “you round”.

    I know you haven’t put on weight. Sorry for the typo.

    :)

  140. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Yanks 61-

    Good post. In reality, and it’s early yet to predict, but as things stand now in the AL East if the Orioles don’t regress and the Jays pick up 22 more wins, much like the Orioles did this season, both those teams likely would be in the playoffs, with 95 wins for the Jays and 93 for the O’s.

  141. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Kate -

    Good morning.

    I just don’t think anything good comes from giving Cano an 8 year deal. And if they sign Hamilton then they couldn’t afford to anyway.

  142. upstate kate December 4th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    MTU
    :)

  143. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    Chip-

    IMO there is no chance you’ll see Jones/Ibanez.

    Zero. Zip. Nada.

    Pigs will fly first.

    ;)

  144. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    another thing I’m preparing myself for is to be royally ticked off on Thursday when someone takes Abe Almonte in the Rule 5 draft.

  145. upstate kate December 4th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    Yeah I understand the concern in giving any player a long term deal, but I still think Cano remains a Yankee.

  146. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    Kate-

    Same here. Right now I think they find a way.

    Call me crazy.

    No wait. That’s already been done too many times.

    :(

  147. yanks61 December 4th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Hi MTU and Doreen (great to see you back Doreen!)

    I’ve always thought that baseball was supposed to be fun! We can’t control what the Yankees are going to do and I can’t worry about what I can’t control. I’ll just try to enjoy all the manoeuvring and whatever turns up as a result. It’s a great game. I’m one of those fans who has a good time at a Little League game.

    Now I’d really like to not see any panic moves where the Yanks throw the farm away. But if it happens, I won’t stop being a fan or enjoying to the maximum whatever product takes the field in Pinstripes.

  148. blake December 4th, 2012 at 7:57 am

    “Just as a for example, assuming the Yankees sign Hamilton, if I can get the Nats to a deal where they give the Yankees Morse, Espinosa, Ramos and a prospect like Rendon for Cano ”

    1) I don’t know if the Nats would do that
    2) I’m not sure it makes the Yankees better in 2013…..that deal would b totally dependent on Rendon turned in to most likely.

    Id be open to looking at dealing Cano…..but it would have to be a deal that made them better for the future and not much worse in 2013

  149. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 7:58 am

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....prospects/

    Here’s a quick report on a couple of the Rule 5 eligible players – I think all three non Yankees could be potential targets.

  150. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    61-

    I do not think the Yankees will “throw the Farm away” but I guess that depends on your definition.

    I expect them to trade many of their Farmhands and I agree with doing so if it makes the Parent club stronger.

    Save the best. Trade the rest.

    relying on prospects is risky buisness and for me trading is the way forward for the Yankees.

    They cannot afford pricey FA’s so they must trade, and be more clever in general.

    Let’s see if they can do it.

  151. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    Blake -

    The problem is you’re not getting a Justin Upton or Ryan Braun for Cano; not in his walk year. You’re never going to get equal value for him. But if he walks (and if you sign Hamilton you’re committed to letting him walk) then you’re getting even less value and less big league ready talent. Even if Rendon didn’t pan out (in that hypothetical) you’re still getting 3 major league ball players for 2013 and you get the draft pick you would have gotten for Cano by giving Morse a QO at the end of the 2013 season.

  152. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    I wonder what Granderson, even though a FA at next seasons end, would bring from teams still looking for a center fielder:

    Phillies-could you snag Carlos Ruiz also a FA at end next season plus maybe Dominic Brown?

    Braves-pitching prospects that could be dealt in another trade?

    Nats-Morse, also a FA in 2013+ Espinosa or Rendon?

    Just throwing out names.

    Any other teams looking for a CF’er?

  153. blake December 4th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    “The problem is you’re not getting a Justin Upton or Ryan Braun for Cano; not in his walk year. You’re never going to get equal value for him. But if he walks (and if you sign Hamilton you’re committed to letting him walk) then you’re getting even less value and less big league ready talent. Even if Rendon didn’t pan out (in that hypothetical) you’re still getting 3 major league ball players for 2013 and you get the draft pick you would have gotten for Cano by giving Morse a QO at the end of the 2013 season.”

    True but as I’ve said you have to weigh that vs winning now……I’m not saying Id dismiss it if for example the Nats would do that deal

  154. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    Chip-

    IMO there is no chance you’ll see Jones/Ibanez.

    Zero. Zip. Nada.

    Pigs will fly first.
    —————————–
    MTU-

    OMG! Something just flew by my window. It wasn’t a bird, a plane, or Superman.
    It was a ………………., no can’t be! :)

  155. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    YT-

    People say Granderson sucks because his BA regressed and he K’s too much.

    How many guys consistently hit 40 dingers, or even 30 and play really good D ?

    I don’t know what that brings for 1 yr but for a team in contention that might just put them over the top.

    And for a team that lacks punch that might just be a godsend.

    ;)

  156. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    YT

    I think Phillies for Ruiz makes sense (don’t know if they would include Brown or not)

    Braves – no, they just signed BJ Upton because they felt they were too left handed and Curtis’s power would be negated in Turner Field

    Nats – no place for Granderson with Werth, Span and Harper

    White Sox could be interested – don’t know what they would be willing to send back though.

    Marlins maybe for Nolasco, Escobar and Morrison

    Rangers for Murphy and a prospect

  157. blake December 4th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    I think the braves are the best fit for a Granderson trade now that the Nats have aquired Span….they need an outfielder and actually have prospects Id want that are sorta excess to them…..

    The Phillies and Mariners also could be fits ….but Philly doesn’t have much to offer and Im not sure the mariners would trade a lot for a rental either.

    The braves are a contender and really only need a legit LFer to really take a strong team to ST

  158. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    MTU -

    I certainly hope you’re right. My other great fear is Chone Figgins opening the season at 3b with the Yankees viewing him as some sort of super utility guy.

  159. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    blake December 4th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    “The problem is you’re not getting a Justin Upton or Ryan Braun for Cano; not in his walk year. You’re never going to get equal value for him. But if he walks (and if you sign Hamilton you’re committed to letting him walk) then you’re getting even less value and less big league ready talent. Even if Rendon didn’t pan out (in that hypothetical) you’re still getting 3 major league ball players for 2013 and you get the draft pick you would have gotten for Cano by giving Morse a QO at the end of the 2013 season.”

    True but as I’ve said you have to weigh that vs winning now……I’m not saying Id dismiss it if for example the Nats would do that deal
    ———————-

    If I can extend the window by moving Cano, I have to do it.

  160. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Chip-

    Me too because I do not think the Yanks can compete well in that division w/o signifcant improvement to the O.

    If they take the other route I’ll be right there with the dark side people.

    I’m waiting, watching, and hoping till then.

    :)

  161. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    edit: can’t. sorry.

  162. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Here’s my “Good Lord I Hate Myself For Typing It” Lineup:

    Jeter – SS
    Figgins – 3b
    Cano
    Tex
    Ibanez – DH
    Granderson – LF
    Cervelli – C
    Dickerson – RF
    Gardner – CF

    Bench: Nunez, Stewart, Nix, Jones

  163. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Chip

    Forgot that the Nats just got Span. The Braves would have interest in a leadoff hitter like Gardner, even though also left-handed, but they will not trade Prado, their 3rd baseman.

  164. vrsce December 4th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    The Yankees are paying for two huge mistakes.
    First ARod’s juicing has probably led to hip degeneration, not to mention other aspects of his decline.

    Second. Hank insisted on re-signing ARod after he had opted out, even though Cashman was against the new contract.

    There is no escaping the disastrous repercussions of these related issues.

  165. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Chip-

    You should slap yourself just for coming up with that Frankenstein abomination of a LU.

    Go right ahead. I’ll watch.

    :)

  166. yanks61 December 4th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    MTU – I agree that hoarding youngsters is not a good idea either. But, as you say, the Yanks need to be careful/clever about it and trade excess young prospects for young players/prospects that fill other needs.

    What I would be leery to do is to do a 4 for 1 type deal, simply because I don’t like the idea of putting all our eggs in one basket. I think there may be greater value, as a number of people have already mentioned (I think Chip did earlier), in filling 2 or more positions with pretty good players, rather than just having one great player in a single position. Naturally, I could be very wrong!

  167. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Chip,

    I will ask you nicely. Please don’t post that lineup again. :)

  168. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    MTU -

    Done.

    You know – The Yankees could always trade a mid level guy to Chicago for David DeJesus and put him in RF…I’m just saying.

  169. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    austinmac -

    The first time I thought about it I almost wet myself in fear.

  170. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    But hey, think of it this way – if we set the bar that low then even Cashman can’t let us down.

  171. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    OK, let’s go back to square one. Many teams want a starting pitcher-Royals, Rockies to name a few. The Yankees, especially if they could add another starter, could probably afford to trade Hughes, Nova or Phelps.

    Could we get that elusive corner outfielder?

    Cuddyer and Dexter Fowler for Granderson and Nova+ Warren/Marshall?

    Alex Gordon for Phil Hughes?

  172. AAA December 4th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    People say Granderson sucks because his BA regressed and he K’s too much.

    How many guys consistently hit 40 dingers, or even 30 and play really good D ?

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  173. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    61-

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    W/O adressing their offensive holes that could happen.

    So I’m confident they won’t let that happen and they’ll find a good way to take care of buisness.

    (At least for now)

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  174. AAA December 4th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Alex Gordon for Phil Hughes?

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    Not enough. Not close to enough.

  175. blake December 4th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    “Cuddyer and Dexter Fowler for Granderson and Nova+ Warren/Marshall?

    Alex Gordon for Phil Hughes?”

    I don’t think either is enough……Granderson and Hughes both would have to be sold to contenders most likely unless an extension window was granted….cause teams like the Rockies don’t have much use for 1 season of Grandy.

    The Braves are a perfect fit really and If they signed Hamilton

  176. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    AAA-

    Sounds resaonable but sometimes teams have needs that we do not see, and do things that are not anticpated on the face of it.

    ;)

  177. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    YT – Hughes I could deal for the same reason, though to a lesser extent, that I would be willing to deal Cano.

    Based on the contract Guthrie got, Hughes is going to get more years and dollars than the Yankees want to give so I figure this is his last year in pinstripes. Might as well maximize the return. I don’t know that the Royals would give up Alex Gordon who is signed to a good contract for him, but the idea of dealing Hughes doesn’t concern me.

    I don’t like Cuddyer – I think he’s grossly overrated but I would take Fowler. I wonder if I could get them to do Fowler, Chris Nelson and Ramon Hernandez for Granderson, Nova and Marshall.

  178. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    For the first time some writers are channeling their inner Blake by discussing a Granderson trade and a Hamilton signing. Keep it up Blake, your ideas are taking over.

  179. blake December 4th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    I don’t think KC wants to deal Gordon

  180. blake December 4th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    austinmac says:
    December 4, 2012 at 8:32 am
    For the first time some writers are channeling their inner Blake by discussing a Granderson trade and a Hamilton signing. Keep it up Blake, your ideas are taking over.

    Can I get a kick back on those columns?

  181. Benny Blanco December 4th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Alex will be 38 this year and is coming off two hip surguries in 4 years. He will be a dh when he comes back.

  182. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Blake – could do a three team deal where the Yankees send Granderson to a team like the Braves, Atlanta sends prospects like Delgado and Joe Terdoslavich to Colorado along with Nova and Marshall and the Yankees get back Fowler and a couple of other pieces.

  183. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    I say again and again, the Yankees need to contract with players for 2014. They cannot replace half of the 25 man roster next year. They should not avoid reasonable, in today’s market, multi-year contracts. Prices will not go down next year.

  184. blake December 4th, 2012 at 8:36 am

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    Sound familiar?

  185. yanks61 December 4th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    While there’s so much discussion here regarding a possible trade involving Grandy, has this already been posted? Sorry if I missed it if so:

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    The Yankees are open to trade scenarios involving Curtis Granderson, according to ESPN’s Buster Olney (Twitter link). Olney notes that moving Granderson’s $15MM salary would give general manager Brian Cashman more flexibility this offseason.

    Granderson will turn 32 next March and has seen his power numbers soar in the homer-friendly Yankee Stadium. Over the past two seasons he’s batted .247/.342/.522 with a whopping 84 homers. Following a fourth-place finish in MVP voting in 2011 though, Granderson saw his walk rate decline and his strikeout rate rise substantially in 2012.

    Several teams are looking for center field help, though the market has shrunk with the signings of B.J. Upton and Angel Pagan and the Nationals’ acquisition of Denard Span. The Phillies and Mariners strike me as teams in need of outfield help that could take on Granderson’s hefty salary, but that’s just my speculation.

    Cashman said in late October that he would keep an open mind in regards to trading Granderson, but stressed the difficulty of replacing a 40-homer bat in center field.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....OL4SsxK.99

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    It sounds like we should sign AA to run the team. Imagine wanting a diversified offense? Of course, right now I would take any kind of offense.

  187. blake December 4th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    “Blake – could do a three team deal where the Yankees send Granderson to a team like the Braves, Atlanta sends prospects like Delgado and Joe Terdoslavich to Colorado along with Nova and Marshall and the Yankees get back Fowler and a couple of other pieces.”

    How about this:

    Yankees get: Martin Prado and Ahmed
    Braves get : Granderson and Olt
    rangers get: Teheran and Delgado

  188. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 8:38 am

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    The biggest thing is what happens at the time of the surgery,” said Dr. James Gladstone, a sports medicine specialist and co-chief of sports medicine at Mt. Sinai School of Medicine. “If you have to carve into the bone, it slows down the recovery, but the hope is by doing this procedure, you’re preventing it from happening again.”

    The Yankees said the arthroscopic surgery to repair a torn left hip labrum, bone impingement and the correction of a cyst is similar — but not identical — to what Rodriguez had done on his right hip in 2009. It is scheduled to be performed by Dr. Bryan Kelly at Hospital for Special Surgery after first being diagnosed by Dr. Marc Philippon, who did the first procedure.

    “If he recovers well, it shouldn’t slow him down,” Gladstone said.

    The occurrence of another torn hip labrum and impingement could be the result of an anatomical abnormality. Gladstone and Dr. Steven Geier, director of sports medicine at the Medical University of South Carolina, agreed it is not related to Rodriguez’s admitted steroid use.

    “I don’t know that there’s ever been a link,” Geier said.

    Gladstone added: “To our knowledge, nothing points to that.”
    ———————————-

    However IMHO, if the ball socket joint is arthritic, then the pain and mobility will be a big issue, and total hip replacement will be down the line for him.

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    @JonHeymanCBS: competing agent predicts: Zack Greinke may wind up getting $175M for 7 years. (i’m sticking w/ my original $150/6 tho)

  190. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Blake,no money, but if it happens you are next in line for head of Team Greedy. Put that on your resume and the world will come to you.

  191. blake December 4th, 2012 at 8:40 am

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  192. AAA December 4th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Blake – could do a three team deal where the Yankees send Granderson to a team like the Braves, Atlanta sends prospects like Delgado and Joe Terdoslavich to Colorado along with Nova and Marshall and the Yankees get back Fowler and a couple of other pieces.

    =======================================

    Why wouldn’t the Braves merely speak directly to the Rockies about Fowler, who fits into their budget?

  193. blake December 4th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    austinmac says:
    December 4, 2012 at 8:40 am
    Blake,no money, but if it happens you are next in line for head of Team Greedy. Put that on your resume and the world will come to you.

    Lol….

  194. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    I put AROD in the Pineda situation. What they get from him will be gravy. I think the team really understands that but won’t say it for obvious reasons.

  195. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Blake-

    Tell me about Ahmed.

  196. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Yunel Escobar–not quite the positive clubhouse guy usually preferred. Desparate times, desparate measures.

  197. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    YT-

    Sounds like the Yankees better take out some signficant insurance for the future at 3B.

    I would think A-Rod’s age would be a factor in the potential outcome too.

    I liked your idea of turning him into a scout, etc.

    First they have to see how he does.

    If the operation is successful and the healing goes well he certainly can have a few more good years in him.

    Especially with the bat.

  198. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    AAA-

    Fowler would fit in the Braves budget. They traded Hanson to free up 3M dollars and still want a lead-off hitter so they can keep Prado at #2 in front of Heyward, Lofton, Freeman.

  199. brianlopez22 December 4th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    YT –

    To get Fowler, the Braves would have to give up their best 2 pitching prospects and some low level OF prospects.
    Its not gonna happen.

  200. AAA December 4th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Fowler would fit in the Braves budget. They traded Hanson to free up 3M dollars and still want a lead-off hitter so they can keep Prado at #2 in front of Heyward, Lofton, Freeman.

    ====================================

    I think we’re agreeing, YT. Braves would likely prefer talking directly to the Rocks about Fowler, who still has 3 years of arbitration left, than talk about a 3 team deal that ultimately yields them one year of Granderson. Fowler fits their budget and needs more than Granderson does.

  201. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    MTU-

    ARod generates power from his lower half, his hips. If they discover early arthritic changes in that left hip when they place the arthroscope, then I don’t feel his production will improve.

  202. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    New Post—————->

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