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Getting started in Nashville

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 03, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Four or five years ago, my mother decided that our family should come to Nashville a few days before Christmas. Mom wanted to stay in some giant hotel I’d never heard of, look at decorations and have a couple of nice dinners with me, my father, my sister and my soon-to-be brother in law.

That was the first time I ever set foot in the Opryland Hotel.

Now I’m back in this giant complex with no real idea where to start. Should I linger in the media workroom for a while? Should I go to the big lobby where I checked in? Should I go to that other lobby with the giant tree? Maybe try one of the other lobbys with a weird name? Should I walk to one of the half dozen restaurants in this place? Should I go over to that indoor river? Should I wander through the massive indoor garden in hopes of overhearing some secret conversation?

“Rodriguez for Stanton, straight up! What do you say?

Point is, this place is huge, and it’s easy to get lost and turned around without some sort of map. I honestly might have to use my phone’s GPS just to find my room at some point.

As for the Yankees, Brian Cashman is getting to town today. For the most part, his task is obvious, and at this point, the free agent market has started to take shape. It’s time to move beyond the basics and get the rest of this roster under control.

Find a right fielder (or a couple of right fielders)
Cashman’s right to say that the outfield is a higher priority than catcher at this point. Catcher is getting all of the attention because of the Russell Martin signing, but going with a weak-hitting, all-glove catcher wouldn’t be nearly as bad as an unproductive right fielder. Without Nick Swisher — and with serious uncertainty about Alex Rodriguez’s ability to be a run producer — the Yankees have to make up for lost offense, and it’s much easier to do that in the outfield than at catcher.

Let’s acknowledge that the market’s biggest names don’t fit the Yankees offseason game plan. That means reengaging Ichiro Suzuki. It means talking to Ryan Ludwick. It means sorting through a series of platoon options — the Nate Schierholtz and Scott Hairston types — to see if two heads might be better than one. Think of it this way: The Yankees have Jeter, Rodriguez, Cano, Teixeira and Granderson, which isn’t a bad top five in the order. They need a No. 6 hitter, and the best place to find one is in the outfield.

Monitor the catching market (both free agents and trades)
Hard to imagine Mike Napoli fitting with this team. A.J. Pierzynski fits, but the Yankees don’t seem sold on him. Cashman is giving his usual “patience is a virtue” speech when talking about his catching situation, and it seems safe to believe he’ll legimately move slowly (even if it’s a bit hard to believe he won’t make a move at all). With Martin signed, the catching market has been set, so it seems that conversations should have a little more definition at this point.

Get creative with pitching (Cashman’s stealth mode)
The Yankees have enough pitching for next season. They could, if they had to, go into spring training with the exact options that are currently on the roster and have enough for a strong staff. They have six starters (counting David Phelps), late inning depth (assuming Joba Chamberlain and David Aardsma can be productive) and plenty of middle innings options (I liked that Jim Miller claim). But the Yankees clearly are thinking beyond next season. They’re already looking ahead to their financial goals for 2014, and with that in mind, another trade for young pitching could be huge. Finding a trade partner might be impossible — the Yankees aren’t the only franchise that values young pitching — but the Michael Pineda debacle shouldn’t leave the Yankees hesitant to deal for another high-potential arm.

Work the fringes (depth, depth, depth)
The Yankees have actually gotten quite good at this. Granted, Andruw Jones was a mess last season, and the additions of Casey McGehee and Steve Pearce weren’t exactly game-changers, but Joe Girardi got real production last year from guys like Eric Chavez, Raul Ibanez, Jayson Nix, Cody Eppley and Clay Rapada (two extremely late major league signings, two minor league signings and a spring waiver claim). Those fringy players are going to be important yet again, especially in the infield where the Yankees have to find a very specific type of player. They need a guy who could be a viable everyday shortstop/third baseman, who is also willing to accept a role no bigger than one or two starts a week. There’s also room for outfield depth (especially right-handed outfield depth), a bat big enough to DH (if he can play the field occasionally, that’s even better), and another Freddy Garcia type (a veteran starter to compete for a rotation job and possibly fall into a long-relief role).

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282 Responses to “Getting started in Nashville”

  1. pkyankfan69 December 3rd, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Yankees get: Carlos Santana – Justin Upton

    D-Backs get: Asdrubal Cabrera – David Phelps – Dellin Betances

    Indians get: Phil Hughes – Mason Williams – Gary Sanchez – Manny Banuelos – Tyler Austin

  2. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Joeman

    The Braves could use a speedy leadoff hitter for CF, but Gardner would not net Martin Prado.

    Prado hit .375 leadoff, .315 with RISP and 2 out.

    Gardner was injured the entire regular season after April 16th with a bad right elbow and continues sliding head first. His worth to another team is not yet established. I like Gardner. Maybe his worth will climb after an injury-free ST?

  3. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 9:00 am

    joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 8:53 am

    jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 am
    Joeman doesn’t like Gardner, that’s for sure.

    I think he’s the CF and leadoff man.

    —————————-
    I’d be sick if that were the case

    ———————

    Well I’ll get you the bucket to vomit in because as of right now that’s the plan for Gardner.

    Why don’t you like Gardner? No asking in a rude way. Seriously want to hear your reason behind it.

  4. Mike Ri December 3rd, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Sign Aj Pirzynski ,,, Engage with Ichiro , Trade Granderson . Sign Hamilton. Sign Haren for one year .. and off we go !

  5. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:05 am

    “Yankees get: Carlos Santana – Justin Upton

    D-Backs get: Asdrubal Cabrera – David Phelps – Dellin Betances

    Indians get: Phil Hughes – Mason Williams – Gary Sanchez – Manny Banuelos – Tyler Austin”

    Now that’s a blockbuster! Pretty much wipes the yanks farm system out but you’re getting 2 young and fairly cheap potential star players…..

    Id think about it and I think the Indians would think about it…..don’t know if that’s enough for Towers

  6. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:06 am

    blake says:
    December 3, 2012 at 8:56 am
    I don’t think the Braves would trade Prado unless they can acquire another 3B somehow and then the deal made them better…..

    If you could work a 3 way where they got Olt then maybe…..but who knows…..I proposed this one time in my brain storming:

    Yankees get : Prado and Ahmed
    rangers get : Teheran and Delgado
    Braves get: Granderson and Olt

  7. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 9:07 am

    69-

    IMO Yankees cannot afford to trade 2 of their young arms as of now.

    Might even have trouble moving one.

    Even for that they’d need a fill-in like Haren.

  8. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Chad-

    Might a GPS help you in that sprawling hotel? John Hart mentioned last night that he got lost late at night while trying to track down another GM’s room to make a trade.

    Do you have any help, or are you “flying” solo?

  9. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:07 am

    PtYanksfan’s proposal might be unrealistic but that’s the kind of creativity I think to see! Bravo

  10. jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 9:08 am

    pkyankfan69 December 3rd, 2012 at 9:01 am
    Yankees get: Carlos Santana – Justin Upton

    D-Backs get: Asdrubal Cabrera – David Phelps – Dellin Betances

    Indians get: Phil Hughes – Mason Williams – Gary Sanchez – Manny Banuelos – Tyler Austin

    You just gave all the huggers a heart attack.

  11. ac1 December 3rd, 2012 at 9:09 am

    IMO Yankees cannot afford to trade 2 of their young arms as of now.
    ____

    Goes completely against what Cashman has been doing all along. Younger cheaper arms for getting under the tax. (ie Pineda/Montero)

  12. joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 9:00 am
    joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 8:53 am

    jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 am
    Joeman doesn’t like Gardner, that’s for sure.

    I think he’s the CF and leadoff man.

    —————————-
    I’d be sick if that were the case

    ———————

    Well I’ll get you the bucket to vomit in because as of right now that’s the plan for Gardner.

    Why don’t you like Gardner? No asking in a rude way. Seriously want to hear your reason behind it.

    ———————————–
    he’s a good OFer with speed ( at times not a very good base-runner) not much with the bat..should be the 4th OFer with the New York Yankees …but with the state this team is in now he’s going to be a starting Ofer here..

  13. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 9:11 am

    ac1-

    We might be able to part with one but not 2.

    The targets were good just the way to get there is not IMO.

  14. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 9:14 am

    In order to trade away Hughes, Phelps or Nova for a corner OF bat, the Yankees should look into signing lefty swing-man Tom Gorzelanny who was non-tendered by the Nats and has pitched well the last two seasons.

  15. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 9:17 am

    YT-

    That would work.

    Point being that before they move any of them they have to have a replacement.

    Pineda/Warren are not sufficient backups IMO.

    I prefer a guy like Haren if he’ll take a 1 yr.

  16. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 9:17 am

    I see where you’re coming from.

  17. pkyankfan69 December 3rd, 2012 at 9:19 am

    My thoughts on including both Hughes/Phelps.

    (1)Hughes is a FA after this season anyway… If he is good this year his days of being cheap are over, if he stinks this year, do we even still want him?… I do think he will be solid again this year, making himself a $10M+ a year pitcher anyway.

    (2) I don’t think Phelps’ value will ever be higher. I like his make up and aggressiveness on the mound but I don’t see him as ever being more than a back end type of guy. I’d much rather trade Hughes and Phelps (if we’re going to trade any of them) and hang onto Nova who still has years of being cheap and IMO way more potential than either.

    BTW, I’m not sure I would make the trade I listed above either… Just something to kick around.

  18. jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 am

    pkyankfan69 December 3rd, 2012 at 9:01 am
    Yankees get: Carlos Santana – Justin Upton

    D-Backs get: Asdrubal Cabrera – David Phelps – Dellin Betances

    Indians get: Phil Hughes – Mason Williams – Gary Sanchez – Manny Banuelos – Tyler Austin

    Have to say I like this though, I would do it. Upton has 3 years of control left, Santana 5, both cost controlled (AAV). Santana is like getting Sanchez in advance. That takes care of C and RF for a while. You still have Heathcott and Flores left for the OF (CF/LF).

    AZ might need a little more. It might be more appropriate to switch Hughes and Phelps there, Indians aren’t competing next year, so no need for Hughes, Phelps can help them in the future.

  19. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 9:22 am

    69-

    Understood. Just that the Yankees cannot afford to create more holes w/o replacements. Especially in their starting staff.

    The targets were great. The how to get there is what I took issue with.

    JMTC

    :)

  20. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Cashman gets a lot of grief, but his “dumpster diving” ways, and his keying in on those “fringe” players is exactly why they ended up in the playoffs last year.

    Sometimes (maybe oftentimes) the difference between teams is not the star players, but the guys who can be productive in a situation where your regular is either hurt or not producing. The Yankees got a lot of mileage out of the fill-ins in a year where may regulars were a little off and where there were quite a few key injuries.

    Speaking of which, austinmac you referred to 2008. 2008 saw major injury to Posada and Matsui, two very huge keys in the Yankees offense. Posada’s injury forced them to trade a relief pitcher who was finally having some success for a guy who ended up being horrendous for them (IRod). They didn’t have the depth, I believe, that they have had in the two past seasons, where it is obvious Cashman’s team has a real strength in finding guys who are not only good at being replacement players, but who are good clubhouse guys (meaning they don’t gripe about being replacement players).

  21. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Catch you all later.

    Time to walk the Mopsters.

  22. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 9:26 am

    I dunno that I could swallow that deal.. It gets you two good players, no doubt, but it also opens up a few other holes that could be hard to fill.

  23. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:27 am

    “Have to say I like this though, I would do it. Upton has 3 years of control left, Santana 5, both cost controlled (AAV). Santana is like getting Sanchez in advance. That takes care of C and RF for a while. You still have Heathcott and Flores left for the OF (CF/LF).

    I think Id lean towards probably doing it as well….it would be painful…. But it’s going to be painful to make a trade like that and you get two young star type players…..

  24. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 9:27 am

    I think they gotta try to lock Hughes up now or move him.. Maybe if you offered him a $8 AAV he’d be dumb and bite!

  25. AAA December 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Even if Alex’s hip is career ending, he is still getting paid.

    ==========================

    This is correct. See Belle, Albert as point of reference.

  26. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 am

    If Cashman wants a right handed power bat for RF here are some options for trade:

    Try and pry Josh Willingham away from the Twins-owed 7M X 2 years

    Trade for Michael Morse-owed 6.75M this year and then FA

    Trade for Michael Cuddyer and try and get Rockies to chip in money for his 2014 year-owed 10.5M X next 2 years + 1.5M if he reaches some incentives this coming season.

    Trade for Alfonso Soriano and have the Cubs kick in close to 66% of his remaining 36M salary[18M/year]

    And of course, trade for Justin Upton! :)

  27. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    December 3, 2012 at 9:26 am
    I dunno that I could swallow that deal.. It gets you two good players, no doubt, but it also opens up a few other holes that could be hard to fill.

    On the big league rosters it fills two holes and opens up one……and the hole it opens is for a guy that’s a year away from free agency (Hughes) and there are multiple options available to fill it (Haren, Dempster, Mcarthy, etc) .

    The biggest hit to me is losing all the prospects…. But you’re getting Santana to replace Sanchez long term….and you have Heathcott still even after mason is gone……losing manny B would hurt too because I still believe in him big time……,but if I can solve catcher and a corne outfield spot long term with two players like that then I think hard about doing it

  28. AAA December 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Yankees get: Carlos Santana – Justin Upton

    D-Backs get: Asdrubal Cabrera – David Phelps – Dellin Betances

    Indians get: Phil Hughes – Mason Williams – Gary Sanchez – Manny Banuelos – Tyler Austin

    ===============================

    This is wonderful………unless your the Diamondbacks, for whom this deal is a sh*t sandwich.

  29. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:32 am

    @Joelsherman1: Hear exclusively Alex Rodriguez was playing with re-tear in surgically repaired hip Likely going for another surgery #Yankees (cont)

  30. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:33 am

    @Joelsherman1: A-Rod will miss at least piece of ’13. Hope is surgery will allow for successful player again for #Yankees

  31. ac1 December 3rd, 2012 at 9:33 am

    So Alex is out already for part of 2013. Wouldn’t mind so much if he took his salary with him….. Guess Cashman is going to look for SS/3b now. Still want to see Nunez and Adams get a real shot.

  32. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 am

    “This is wonderful………unless your the Diamondbacks, for whom this deal is a sh*t sandwich.”

    Nah I think the Dbacks would need a bit more ….but Asdrubal for Upton is at least a conversation starter Id think…..I think Towers would want an outfield replacement in the deal as well though

  33. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 am

    @Joelsherman1: So #Yankees now dealing with both Jeter and eventually A-Rod coming back from surgery. Desperately need left side IF help

    Not good

  34. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 9:35 am

    HEADLEY!

  35. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 9:35 am

    We’ve sort of neglected Headley. Let’s go back to trying to get Headley!!

  36. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Doreen-

    Good morning.

    It didn’t hurt having non-dumpster Rafael Soriano-chip in with 42 saves.

  37. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Blake – This year, it might only open one hole.. but the 2014 rotation already looks pretty ugly and it just got uglier with that deal. Just don’t know that they can afford to give up two of Hughes/Nova/Phelps in one deal that doesn’t return a pitcher… but maybe they do have faith in Pineda and the dumpster dive.

    What’s more problematic is that I dunno that we’re giving up enough big league talent to make it work. It is a good mental exercise though.. they will need to be that creative to make something happen.

  38. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Chavy can handle it ‘ cashman’d

  39. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:38 am

    Blake – This year, it might only open one hole.. but the 2014 rotation already looks pretty ugly and it just got uglier with that deal

    Yea but its much easier to find mid to back end starters than a good catcher and stud outfielder

  40. AAA December 3rd, 2012 at 9:38 am

    but Asdrubal for Upton is at least a conversation starter Id think

    ===========================

    Disagree. Falls well light, IMO. Especially when you’re adding a virtually useless arm in Bettances and a #5/#6 starter. Towers may have been born at night, but it wasn’t last night.

    Put this way, that’s a pretty easy package to beat and the Yankees aren’t alone in their pursuit of a young COF.

  41. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 9:39 am

    I’m not opposed to the dumpster dive either.. but if we’re going to have depth I’d prefer that it’d be younger. Dumpster diving is generally reserved for older players.

  42. jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Yankees get: Carlos Santana – Justin Upton

    D-Backs get: Asdrubal Cabrera – Phil Hughes – Manny Banuelos

    Indians get: David Phelps – Slade Heathcott – Gary Sanchez – Tyler Austin – Dellin Betances

    Better?

  43. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:40 am

    “What’s more problematic is that I dunno that we’re giving up enough big league talent to make it work”

    I don’t think the Dbacks would do that deal as is and the Yanks don’t have anything else to give …..I like the idea though…..highly unlikely a deal that big would happen though

  44. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Shame I understand your point about younger; but I see where the Yankees are coming from. The situation they’re in – it’s tougher to roll on the dice on a kid with no track record. Not saying they should never do it; just I see how it’s a concern.

    And one year contracts to the older guys doesn’t kill the team, so there’s not so much risk, either money or commitment.

  45. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:43 am

    “Put this way, that’s a pretty easy package to beat and the Yankees aren’t alone in their pursuit of a young COF.”

    Not if Towers main goal is to get a SS and Texas won’t budge and Atlanta won’t budge…..as I said I don’t think that’s enough for Towers but I think it’s a framework that could work…..I think he’d ask for Mason Williams and probably another better player to be added to his side……..

  46. AAA December 3rd, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Yankees get: Carlos Santana – Justin Upton

    D-Backs get: Asdrubal Cabrera – Phil Hughes – Manny Banuelos

    Indians get: David Phelps – Slade Heathcott – Gary Sanchez – Tyler Austin – Dellin Betances

    Better?

    ==============================

    Yes. Don’t think the Tribe would do it. Too hard a sell to what’s left of the fanbase on a deal where no benefit will be realized before 2015.

  47. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:44 am

    “Yankees get: Carlos Santana – Justin Upton

    D-Backs get: Asdrubal Cabrera – Phil Hughes – Manny Banuelos

    Indians get: David Phelps – Slade Heathcott – Gary Sanchez – Tyler Austin – Dellin Betances

    Better?”

    I’m not sure that’s enough for the Indians now…..and Towers doesn’t need young pitching….,he’d want an Upton replacement in the deal I bet

  48. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Or we could :Sign Hamilton and Keppinger and keep the prospects

  49. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 9:45 am

    And, about ARod,

    :(

    Seems like when guys play injured, the chicken always comes home to roost. (Alex, Jeter, Tex for example). Makes matters, ultimately, worse.

  50. AAA December 3rd, 2012 at 9:45 am

    I think he’d ask for Mason Williams and probably another better player to be added to his side

    =================================

    Yeah, I agree. I don’t think the Yankees have enough high end guys to get both Santana and Upton, but if Towers were getting something along the lines of Cabrera and Williams, then it’s at least a conversation. Probably a healthy one.

  51. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 9:47 am

    blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:38 am

    Blake – This year, it might only open one hole.. but the 2014 rotation already looks pretty ugly and it just got uglier with that deal

    Yea but its much easier to find mid to back end starters than a good catcher and stud outfielder

    ——————-

    I feel like just having one or the other would be more realistic.. I don’t see them having enough to get both. And I really dunno that they can afford to try and get both and lose so much depth. How long would it realistically take to replenish the farm? A good 4 years at least? I think also.. and I don’t like that I feel this way but.. I just don’t see them going after Santana. Which is a shame on a lot of levels, but mostly because my dad looks just like Carlos Santana and it’d be so much fun to remind him of it every time we discussed the Yankees.

  52. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:48 am

    “Yeah, I agree. I don’t think the Yankees have enough high end guys to get both Santana and Upton, but if Towers were getting something along the lines of Cabrera and Williams, then it’s at least a conversation. Probably a healthy one.”

    Yes! Lets drive to Nashville and propose it…..of course Cash is probably deep into Eric Chavez negotiations by now

  53. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:49 am

    @mlbtraderumors: Ryan Dempster Seeking Three-Year Deal http://t.co/lcnV1Qlj #mlb

    Good luck with that

  54. CountryClub December 3rd, 2012 at 9:50 am

    This isn’t shocking news. I genuinely dont ever expect him get through a full season healthy again.

  55. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Doreen – Very true but I think there is risk of injury. I, personally, love Eric Chavez. He’s a gamer, a really talented player, has a great attitude… and is incredibly good looking. But when we’re trying to mitigate the risk that comes with our already oft-injured 3B, I don’t want a guy with that long of an injury history backing him up. If they wanna get under the cap they need to know what they have in the minors at some point, so I hope they give a guy like Adams a shot there. I just worry that we’ve gotten such great value from Chavez the last two seasons that we might be pushing our luck a bit lol…

  56. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:51 am

    I think they should just make Arod the Dh already and really try to find a 3B answer

  57. CountryClub December 3rd, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Assuming he stays healthy for another yr (huge assumption), the Yanks could do a lot worse than Chavez at 3rd for 30 or so games.

  58. AAA December 3rd, 2012 at 9:54 am

    This isn’t shocking news. I genuinely dont ever expect him get through a full season healthy again.

    ================================

    I thought that from the moment we first heard about the hip a few years back. When you’re an athlete at this ridiculously high level, hip injuries are the absolute worst. Hard to ever be the same.

  59. jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Not enough for the Indians? They are only giving up 2 years of Cabrera and getting back a solid starting pitcher, 3 top 100 prospects including a C and CF, and a big arm wildcard. Heathcott and Austin could be ready by 2014, and the Indians probably aren’t competing until 2015 anyway. I think that’s still definitely enough for the Indians, maybe still not right for AZ (I value Banuelos very high even with the surgery, but they may not). But AZ is not getting an Upton replacement by trading Upton and getting Cabrera.

  60. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:54 am

    CountryClub says:
    December 3, 2012 at 9:51 am
    Assuming he stays healthy for another yr (huge assumption), the Yanks could do a lot worse than Chavez at 3rd for 30 or so games.

    What if he breaks too though? Id go ahead and plan in Alex being the primary DH going forward…..yea he can still play 3B…..but they need to doneverythjn they can to limit the stress on that hip

  61. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 9:55 am

    blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:51 am

    I think they should just make Arod the Dh already and really try to find a 3B answer

    ———————-

    Headley feels neglected…

  62. jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 9:56 am

    AZ doesn’t need Williams, he has Adam Eaton.

  63. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 9:56 am

    What if we pushed for Headley AND Gordon? Cheaper than Upton and Santana, no?

  64. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:56 am

    @Joelsherman1: To repeat, can report exclusively A-Rod almost certainly needs more hip surgery, will miss piece of ’13, this is not a retirement #Yankees

    Time to make Alex the primary DH and find a longterm 3B option

  65. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 9:57 am

    I guess you could just sign Chavez for a million or whatever and know you have Adams if you need him.. but at this point Arod really needs someone to platoon with. He’s never playing more that 100 games at 3B.

  66. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    December 3, 2012 at 9:56 am
    What if we pushed for Headley AND Gordon? Cheaper than Upton and Santana, no?

    Those might cost even more…..

  67. AAA December 3rd, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Not enough for the Indians? They are only giving up 2 years of Cabrera and getting back a solid starting pitcher

    =======================

    They’re getting Phelps. Jury’s decidedly out as to whether he’s a solid MLB starting pitcher.

  68. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Shame -

    If we’re talking specifically about ARod in his most current reported condition, that’s a different story. Chavez is a great player to have if you know he doesn’t have to play too many games consecutively and was very valuable last season. But it sounds like he’s not the piece they’re going to need this year.

    They may very well be in the market for a full-time 3B, sadly.

  69. AAA December 3rd, 2012 at 9:59 am

    What if we pushed for Headley AND Gordon? Cheaper than Upton and Santana, no?

    =======================================

    Quite possibly more expensive.

  70. CountryClub December 3rd, 2012 at 9:59 am

    What if he breaks too though? Id go ahead and plan in Alex being the primary DH going forward…..yea he can still play 3B…..but they need to doneverythjn they can to limit the stress on that hip

    ———-

    I don’t disagree.

  71. chicken little December 3rd, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Dear Hal,

    We get it. You want to maximize your profit. Perhaps now, with A-Rod, your $30 million man, needing another surgery, is the time to do what your dad always seemed to do. When there is a problem, throw money at it. $189 million was wishful thinking. The Yankees need hitters. Ones who can play 3B, RF, C, and DH. Perhaps also a back-up or two capable of hitting at least .200. Or you can do what we assume you will do, nothing of consequence. Good luck with making the big bucks when only 2 million fans show up and your other revenue sources depreciate in value because of lack of on-field product. Ask the Metsies how that works. Eventually it bites you in the rear end.

    Love,

    The Fans

  72. jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Oh, nevermind, you are right, not enough for Indians, I discounted Santana. Let me think…

  73. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Man, Eric Chavez is attractive though.. if we lose Cano we’re going to have to find someone else good looking enough to bring our team attractiveness average back up.

  74. cs in la December 3rd, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Maybe the injury will end up forcing Arod to retire early. Worse case, it’ll force Cashman to seriously address #3b and DH with something more than a band-aid, now.

  75. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2012 at 10:01 am

    if arod is out, nunez gets all of ST to become the 3bman. if he can hack it, the yankees just got better at no cost.

    i think ST and the first month or 3 will be much better with arod out of the picture anyway

  76. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 10:01 am

    From an article authored by Dr. Marc Philippon, 5 years ago:

    Forty-two athletes (93%) returned to professional sport following hip arthroscopy. Three players (1 football player, 1 hockey player, and 1 baseball player) did not return to play following arthroscopy. Each of these patients had diffuse osteoarthritis at the time of arthroscopy.

    Five athletes (11%) required re-operation. Three underwent lysis of adhesions and two had symptomatic treatment of extensive osteoarthritis. All of the patients who underwent revision surgery for lysis of adhesions returned to professional play and the two with extensive osteoarthritis did not return to play.

    Thirty-five of the 45 athletes (78%) remained active at the professional level at an average of 1.6 years after hip arthroscopy.

    If you want to read the abstract:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm.....MC1950586/

  77. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:01 am

    If they can’t get Olt or Headley or sign Keppinger or Scutero…..then Id just stick a Chavez/Adams platoon out there and carry on addressing the other needs.

    They should go after Rendon hard if the Nats will move him

  78. coney1 December 3rd, 2012 at 10:02 am

    The fact that Joel Sherman’s source in the Yankee front office feels comfortable making this info about Alex public, that tells me they are close to a deal for someone.

  79. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 10:02 am

    You guys think so? They are controlled for a lot less time than the other two.

  80. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    December 3, 2012 at 9:56 am
    What if we pushed for Headley AND Gordon? Cheaper than Upton and Santana, no?

    Youkalis is available

  81. CountryClub December 3rd, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Hey look! Jeter’s not fat (shocker, I know)

    https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/275615469602476032/photo/1/large

  82. Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2012 at 10:03 am

    If it’s realistic to expect Jeter could move to 3rd, I think it would go a long way to blunting the drama of selecting the “next Yankee shortshop,” if whoever it is gets to play with Jeter at the hot corner.

  83. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    December 3, 2012 at 10:01 am
    Man, Eric Chavez is attractive though.. if we lose Cano we’re going to have to find someone else good looking enough to bring our team attractiveness average back up.

    Copy/paste fail. Youkalis being available was supposed to go after this

  84. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Doreen – The good thing about Chavez (besides that great head of hair and come hither stare) is he also plays 1B, so it gives you more flexibility.

    I wish we could find a young SS/3B guy.

  85. Mike Ri December 3rd, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Youkalis is available

    —-

    I’d take Youk in a heartbeat.

  86. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:04 am

    coney1 says:
    December 3, 2012 at 10:02 am
    The fact that Joel Sherman’s source in the Yankee front office feels comfortable making this info about Alex public, that tells me they are close to a deal for someone.

    Chavez probably

  87. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 10:04 am

    You know, besides the fact that he’s Youk… he wouldn’t be a bad fit with our needs.

  88. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 10:05 am

    He brings our ugly up like .300 points though… We’d need a lot of pretty to make up for that face. Ibanezmort might not help.

  89. CountryClub December 3rd, 2012 at 10:05 am

    The fact that Joel Sherman’s source in the Yankee front office feels comfortable making this info about Alex public, that tells me they are close to a deal for someone.

    ———-

    I hope that’s true, if not, Sherman just made life very difficult for the Yanks. I’m not balming him, it’s his job. But it sucks. Trade partners/FAs will want more now because they think the Yanks have no choice.

  90. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:06 am

    @mikeaxisa: Hey look, Derek Jeter isn’t fat anymore: https://t.co/1aon8LWM

    Amazing

  91. ac1 December 3rd, 2012 at 10:06 am

    if arod is out, nunez gets all of ST to become the 3bman. if he can hack it, the yankees just got better at no cost.
    ___

    The smart move last year would have been to have him work in aaa at 3rd and not SS. It was clear alex was never going to be a good option again at 3B. Jeter had another year or two left as SS and by then Nunez would have been traded.

  92. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Have to go.

    Now we need a RF’er, a Catcher, and a 3rd baseman, all on one year contracts!

    Kidding aside, I hope that Cashman can provide us with some joy today in Mudville! :)

    Until later and have a great day!

  93. ac1 December 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 am

    December 3, 2012 at 10:02 am
    The fact that Joel Sherman’s source in the Yankee front office feels comfortable making this info about Alex public, that tells me they are close to a deal for someone.

    Chavez probably

    ____

    That isn’t a deal. I like Chavez but he CANNOT be counted on to stay healthy.

  94. mick December 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Doreen
    What some ppl want is a guarantee of a WS each and every year.
    No such animal exists.
    It’s one thing to assume you are going to win each game you play, but know it’s impossible.
    I have always wondered if this is age related as you could fall into one of 3 groups:
    The old timer who grew up when they were really a dynasty,
    The younger, who has grown up with this mid 90′s to present version,
    The tweener who missed the dynasty era, when they indeed did win a title almost every season,
    but grew up with a losing Yankee team.
    Seems like the old timer would have the best perspective, not calling you old…

  95. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Yeah.. wondering if the timing matters myself. I’m sure they would have preferred to keep this on the down low so teams wouldnt know they were desperate. That being said, I wouldnt be surprised if they were comfortable with Chavez and Adams as the 3B depth.

    I just wanna see what Adams has because we do need to field a team in 2014..

  96. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Yes, Shame. Chavez makes up for Raul. ;)

    If he would come back, they’d still need a guy to play regularly. If Dave Adams or Eduardo Nunez can be that guy, that’d be great. Not certain if the Yankees will change course from “Eduardo Nunez is a SS.” Plus, hate to say it, despite the quotes, no one will know what Jeter can do until he does it.

  97. jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Much more likely David Adams gets a chance at 3B than Nunez, if they are going the in house route. But it’s very unlikely Adams can produce even as much as a diminished Arod.

  98. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Derek just had a big lunch. I’ve had that look before. People offer me seats on subway trains because they think I’m expecting when all I did was go balls out on the dollar menu at McDonalds.

  99. ac1 December 3rd, 2012 at 10:08 am

    WOW Jeter lost a lot of weight really fast (OR the last pic was just a really bad camera angle)

  100. chicken little December 3rd, 2012 at 10:08 am

    I don’t think Jeter at 3B makes sense. It will be the Cal Ripken fiasco all over again. And as for revelation of the injury for A-Rod driving up the prices, it was inevitable to happen. If the Yankees can’t (or won’t) pay for the cost of talent than they should do what some of us have been advocating all along — rebuild properly without signing players to silly contracts so that in 2015 or whenever Hal decides he wants to compete comes around, there actually will be some talent on the field instead of more rotting corpses.

  101. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:09 am

    “That isn’t a deal. I like Chavez but he CANNOT be counted on to stay healthy.”

    No but I’m not really expecting a Chase Headley trade anytime soon

  102. mick December 3rd, 2012 at 10:09 am

    Scutaro is suddenly looking a lot better.
    Youk is a gamer.

  103. jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 10:09 am

    blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:06 am
    @mikeaxisa: Hey look, Derek Jeter isn’t fat anymore: https://t.co/1aon8LWM

    Amazing

    —-

    But the other pic was candid, this one is posed, after the candid pic came out. Maybe he is sucking it in! ;)

  104. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 10:10 am

    mick -

    I see it as life experiences having shaped my perspective. ;)

  105. ac1 December 3rd, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Much more likely David Adams gets a chance at 3B than Nunez, if they are going the in house route. But it’s very unlikely Adams can produce even as much as a diminished Arod.
    ___

    You don’t know until you try. Adams has been a good hitter in the minors. He won’t hit 50 HRs, but maybe can put a nice .275 average together. Won’t take much to top the alex of last year.

  106. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:10 am

    ac1 says:
    December 3, 2012 at 10:08 am
    WOW Jeter lost a lot of weight really fast (OR the last pic was just a really bad camera angle)

    It was just a bad angle picture of him and the NY media did what they do

  107. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Youk as a Yankee… who would Joba throw at?!

  108. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Keppinger!

  109. ac1 December 3rd, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Scutaro is suddenly looking a lot better.
    Youk is a gamer.

    ____

    Youk is as much a health risk as Chavez and way more likely to get into a clubhouse brawl with Joba.

  110. CountryClub December 3rd, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN
    A-Rod will surely be slowed in spring training, but it is unclear how much time he’ll miss during the regular season.

  111. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 10:12 am

    I maintain the prior Post photo was photoshopped!

    Plus Derek was the victim of a very poor wardrobe choice!

  112. mick December 3rd, 2012 at 10:12 am

    youk and joba would be best buddies.

  113. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Youk can’t play 3B very well and stay healthy…..I just mentioned him because Shame wanted someone to improve the looks of the team

  114. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 am

    At the very least, David Adams, come on down for your audition….

  115. CountryClub December 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal
    Drew would be another FA option for #Yankees on left side of IF, if he is willing to play 3B. Trades no doubt will be explored too

  116. CountryClub December 3rd, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN
    Source said the doctor wants A-Rod to strengthen his hip before the surgery, thus the January operating date. Rivera did same with his knee.

  117. joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 10:15 am

    No jeter no arod for the first few months of the season..new RF and new catcher

  118. disco stu December 3rd, 2012 at 10:17 am

    “Time to make Alex the primary DH and find a longterm 3B option”

    I’m no doctor, but I dont really know how much of a difference just having Arod DH exclusively will help at this point. Yeah, he saves wear and tear by not playing the field but he still would need to hit and run the bases.

    He is damaged goods at this point and the Yankees should negotiate some sort of retirement package for him. Reallocate resources if need be to help pay what is owed to him, but do what you can to get him off the roster … there is no way this team can move forward at this point with him a part of the mix …

    History will show that he contributed far more than he was given credit for during his time here … 2 MVP’s, incredible power numbers, a 2009 post season performance for the ages, etc. But that was then and this is now … and now he is a complete albatros.

    If they had offered him just 6 years instead of 10 back in November of 2007 and he accepted those contract terms, 2013 would have been his walk year … Gving him 10 years was the height of stupidity … then and now … I mean, Arod circumvented Boras and crawled back to the Yankees asking them to take him back … they were bidding against themselves … who else at that time was rumored to be targeting him? I dont remember ever hearing of another team.

  119. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:17 am

    @Joelsherman1: Story http://t.co/WbkbFvQz on A-Rod heading for more hip surgery #Yankees

  120. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:19 am

    “I’m no doctor, but I dont really know how much of a difference just having Arod DH exclusively will help at this point. Yeah, he saves wear and tear by not playing the field but he still would need to hit and run the bases.”

    I actually think hitting might be the worst for it because of the rotation…..but he can’t stop doing that….so I think you have to eliminate or limit what you can and putting him at DH will at least save him the quick lateral movements…..

  121. luis December 3rd, 2012 at 10:19 am

    This news about Arod are troubling. Not unexpected though. This means that they are bound to overpay in a trade, probably having catastrophic consequences for the log term health of the team.

    I would go with Adams at third and get an OF via FA market. But I think this bit of news will trigger a trade for a 3B.

    I hope Jeter is ready for opening day.

  122. jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 10:20 am

    A-Rod Likely To Undergo Surgery, Miss Part Of 2013
    By Luke Adams [December 3, 2012 at 9:17am CST]
    9:17am: With A-Rod set to miss a chunk of 2013, the Yankees will likely step up their efforts to land Stephen Drew, tweets ESPN’s Jim Bowden.

    9:02am: Alex Rodriguez’s struggles in 2012 may have been partly due to a hip injury, as Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports. According to Sherman, A-Rod was playing with a tear in his hip, which had previously been surgically repaired. The Yankees third baseman will likely need more surgery and figures to miss part of the 2013 season, says Sherman (all Twitter links).

    As Sherman notes, with Derek Jeter recovering from surgery as well, the Yankees “desperately” need help on the left side of the infield. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets that the team’s options include Marco Scutaro and Jeff Keppinger, though Keppinger is also coming off surgery.

    According to Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News (Twitter link), Rodriguez’s surgery will take place at some point in January.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....oxqbzIm.99

  123. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:20 am

    @jonmorosi: After news of A-Rod surgery, get ready for the Chase Headley to Yankees trade rumors.

    They should have been after him anyway

  124. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:20 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: A-Rod re-injury occurred before playoffs. Was on pain medication throughout #Yankees’ post-season. Pain so severe MORE

  125. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:21 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: after one of DS games, he had to be taken to emergency room and spent night there. #Yankees

    Why is this just coming out now? Yanks didn’t want to let other teams know because of leverage?

  126. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 10:21 am

    This season just got uglier. Two of the top five in the lineup Chad was proud of are now both injury concerns. We are fooling ourselves if we believe there isn’t risk Jeter will not be 100%. As Adams can show us, ankle fractures are not easy. Drew or someone like him may have become a must do sign.

    Empty holes, injuries, no immediate minor league help of substance, no long term contracts and no money. If this were the Sox, we would all be gleeful.

    Second surgeries, whether TJS, or otherwise have a lower success rate. AROD is no sure thing to return and be productive. At least we do know what happened to his hitting ability.

  127. sunny615 December 3rd, 2012 at 10:22 am

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-2013.html

    crap… yanks in on stephen drew now.

  128. jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 10:22 am

    First question: if this was a problem for him during the season, why wait two months before seeing a doctor? Would miss vacation time? Doesn’t make sense.

  129. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2012 at 10:25 am

    sometime in JANUARY!??!

    …and this happened in OCTOBER?!?

    why rush it, why not schedule the surgery for april 1st?

  130. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Sunny,

    Why “crap” about Drew? They desparately need IF help.

    It might have been nice for the team to let the fans know he was hurt so he wouldn’t get booed. I don’t see how that changes anything in the games. Now that it is time to try to acquire players it can hurt leverage.

  131. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Kinda explains why ARod was okay with being pinch hit for and benched…

    I do not understand the mentality behind playing with injuries as bad as Derek and ARod were playing with (clearly Jeter’s bone bruise was pretty bad and likely contributed to the break).

    It always ends up hurting the player and the team more than missing the time.

  132. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:27 am

    @mikeaxisa: Choo, Asdrubal, and Santana for all the prospects.

  133. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 10:31 am

    AROD is a gamer and no doubt wanted to play. I don’t think the team did him any favors by hushing up his injuries.

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