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Late afternoon notes on Day 1 of the Winter Meetings

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 03, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just a few notes from Nashville, none of which specifically mention Alex Rodriguez…

• Robinson Cano has officially committed to play for the Dominican Republic in the World Baseball Classic. A total of 32 players were announced as having committed to the WBC, but Cano was the only Yankees player on the list. I’m sure there will be others eventually.

• One name consistently connected to the Yankees is former Mets outfielder Scott Hairston. That said, Hairston seems to be gunning for a fairly substantial contract. He reportedly already has a two-year offer from the Tigers, but he’s not planning to accept it. Hairston would, in theory, form half of a right field platoon (or simply provide some right-handed balance across the outfield).

• One name consistently coming up in wishful thinking for the Yankees is Padres third baseman Chase Headley, but a Padres official told Joel Sherman: “We’re not going to move Headley.”

• Another infield depth candidate is Jeff Keppinger. His agent claims that teams are not at all hesitant to sign Keppinger in the wake of his offseason injury. Could make sense for the Yankees in the right circumstance. The two have been connected in speculation.

• Doesn’t matter that the Blue Jays already have more catchers than they need, they claimed Eli Whiteside off waivers from the Yankees.

• So much for signing Joakim Soria to a team-friendly one-year deal so that he can reestablish himself. He reportedly got two years and $8-9 million from the Rangers.

• Another significant name came off the board today as Angel Pagan re-signed with the Giants. Pagan got a four-year deal.

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326 Responses to “Late afternoon notes on Day 1 of the Winter Meetings”

  1. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    ” I’m praying that the Steinbrenners find an interested buyer for this Yankee Team.”

    ————————————————————————

    latham, the dolans called, they are ‘interested.’ …so is a group headed by woody johnson. and then there’s carl icahn, the donald….

    be careful what you pray for…

  2. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    …larry lucchino and jeff loria would like to try to put together a group to buy the yankees too…

  3. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    Today was not too great a day for the Yankees or their fans. Hope must be springing eternal because I keep looking for a hopeful sign about something or somebody.

  4. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    Mac-

    Only 1 of the guys I was interested in got taken today.

  5. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    i expected arod to do a little worse than last year and play less games, so im not too dissapointed. he can still put up pretty much what i expected him to if he can stay off the dl from july on.

  6. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Y’s-

    IMO it’s not unreasonable to expect to see A-Rod back for a 1/2 season.

  7. NYY_Girl_Penny December 3rd, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    All the names I am hearing attached to the yankees are making me sick! WTF is going on ? Like we need another .260 F’N hitter with medium power. Man I am really starting to dislike this new Steinbrenner ownership group!!!

  8. oak2455 December 3rd, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Ross n Ichy is fine Penny

  9. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    We started the OS with 1 really pressing need.

    Maybe two.

    Now we have 3.

  10. NYY_Girl_Penny December 3rd, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    Ys Guy December 3rd, 2012 at 6:01 pm
    ” I’m praying that the Steinbrenners find an interested buyer for this Yankee Team.”

    ————————————————————————

    I am still on a wait and see what the do but cody ross, plumber jack, ethan egghead.. enough is enough of bottom feeding.. this is a billion dollar franchise and they expect us fans to be okay with their BS. Good luck with that, I am not buying a single ticket this year if this is what we get..

    1B – .251 swing for fences unclutch declining juicer
    2B – .300 can’t carry the team super deal and won’t dive for balls or hustle
    3B – .000?? Steroids or bust / Bottom Feeding hole filler?
    DH – .238 but I can hit timely HR’s 2 or 3x a year – Bottom Feeding hole filler?
    SS .. coming off surgery .300 hitter still?
    LF .. .??? I’m fast but for years in MLB I have how many AB?
    CF .. .236 HR or Strikout 5x as much
    RF .. .260 20HR Bottom Feeding hole filler?
    C .. .230 Bottom Feeding hole filler?

    Seriously What the HECK IS GOING ON !!! This is nonsense!

  11. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    i actually like the wbc better than i like ST games so im looking forward to that. but if i were a team i’d never let any of my pitchers take part.

  12. austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    MTU,

    Soria was taken and we lost Alex. I honestly don’t see how they can compete without some spending flexibility.

  13. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    just to be clear the quotations there “i am praying…” indicate that is not my thought. it”s from latham joe on the last thread.

  14. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    Ross and Ichiro or Scurholtz would be a good RF platoon…..but I can’t see Ross dojng a one year deal.

  15. LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Dolan is a horrible basketball owner but with no cap in MLB he has the potential to be a great baseball owner.

  16. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Colletti: “We’re in on so many players that we may need 2 or 3 teams.”

    Maybe the Dodgers can buy the Yankees?

  17. tucker December 3rd, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    I’m sure somebody already posted this from Sherman’s column today, but he wrote about the concerns many here have about the Yanks’ pitching-first philosophy:

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. — The first casualty of the Yankees’ frugality is probably going to be their offense.

    Under their current, more restrictive financial policies, the Yankees will find it difficult — perhaps impossible — to replace the production of Russell Martin and Nick Swisher. Thus, they likely will have to step away from one of their key identities as a regular-season run-scoring powerhouse.

    The ramifications could be severe. Over the last 11 years, the Yankees have finished first in the majors in scoring five times, second four times, fourth once and 10th once. The 10th-place finish came in 2008, the only season since 1993 in which the Yankees did not make the playoffs.

    This leaves the Yankees with more lineup uncertainty than any time in years — and fewer budgeted dollars with which to address the needs. They could hardly have picked a worse offseason for economic prudence due to how freely the money is already flowing throughout the game for the kind of second- and third-tier options the Yankees would be eyeing. Forget about Josh Hamilton (the Yankees certainly have), even Scott Hairston might be beyond their self-imposed budget.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....1XwdxohHrL

  18. 4 NYY December 3rd, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    Said it before, will say it again, Toronto has a hell of a hitting lineup !

    They might murder us ! ( with what we have now, and what we seem to be going after )

  19. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    MTU -

    Was gonna say about the same thing – no one I would have really wanted has been “taken off the table” (except Martin). I think the weirdest thing, though, is realizing the Yankees aren’t really in on anyone. But a weirder thing is that I’m okay with that, from the viewpoint that, well, I wasn’t interested in most of those players, anyway. But it is very strange not having the Yankees attached to everything but the kitchen sink.

    I’m trying to process my feelings about what’s been ongoing. It’s not cut and dried, and I don’t think there are any “villains” here. I’ve considered that they may be preparing for a sale, and have come to the conclusion that there could be worse things than that, obviously, “depending.”

    A lot of the stuff that gets said here really causes me to bristle (which is why I stayed away for a long time, and why I probably will not be here a whole heck of a lot – some things are just not worth the aggravation they cause). But some of the stuff that is said, if the vitriol and conspiracy theories and fingers of blame and accusations of stupidity were kept out of it, deserves consideration and I’ve thought about myself.

    Listened to MLB radio in the car today. Ned Colletti was on. He must be on cloud 9. His position in the BB world has turned 180 degrees because of new ownership with a blank checkbook. And the Yankees have the reverse. While ownership has not technically changed, it has in fact changed. Theoretically, I have no problem with the team trying to reset the luxury tax, and perhaps do better business in the future, spending money more pointedly and responsibly. But it’s hard to go through the process. And it’s hard to realize your team may suffer for a couple of years because of that process. I have hope that it’s an austerity plan for the short term. But I don’t KNOW this. And this is somewhat discomforting. If the Yankees ownership takes away the excitement of the team for the bottom line, and believe it or not, that does include the excitement of player procurement in the off-season, then we’d be better off with new owners who were more like the departed owner in the excitement about their product. Though, George was NOT always successful. Far far from it.

  20. UnKnown December 3rd, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    Colletti didn’t really say that did he? That is really funny and seems to be true.

  21. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    ” LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Dolan is a horrible basketball owner but with no cap in MLB he has the potential to be a great baseball owner.”

    ——————————————————-
    id say his potential to be horrific is much higher.

  22. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    Mac-

    I am going to wait and see what Cashman comes up.

    Soria was really more of a luxury.

    IMO the A-rod problem can be adressed with a Kepp/Chavez combo.

    Together I see them for around 5 Mil.

  23. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    Guarantee that the Dodgers sign both Greinke and Soriano

  24. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    edit: up with. sorry.

  25. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    As many of us have been saying for awhile now….the Yankees may have to make a decision between getting under the tax and taking a step back and risking attendance drops and harm to their brand….,

    They aren’t a playoff team right now….Cashman and Hal still have time to change that and there are options out there to change that

  26. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    The Yankees can’t get a big league ready SS or 3B for Granderson…..but they might could get a good prospect at one of those positions plus something else maybe.

    Sign Hamilton and use Granderson to go for some areas of weakness.

  27. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Colletti: “We’re in on so many players that we may need 2 or 3 teams.”

    ————————

    That’s that big boy talk :)

  28. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    Doreen-

    Always a pleasure to have you around even though your posts are like “War and Peace” (Just kidding).

    You put a lot in that post. Kind of hard to digest it all.

    I’m taking the hopeful but not expecting anything approach.

    I have said here many times that I thought the way forward was thru strategic trades. We have some good pieces to offer in trade IMO.

    The FA market is not the way to go for now since the Yankees are dealing with a more limited payroll.

    Most my guys are still out there so I’m not feeling pessimistic just yet.

    I hope Cashman aims high. He can always settle later on.

    :)

  29. RadioKev December 3rd, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    I haven’t been around all day to read the chatter, but I’ve hardly see Adams’ name. Is everyone too spooked to start a rookie?

    Looks like A-Rod is our new DH.

  30. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    The Yankees never had that hubris, to say something like that. (Thank goodness!)

    It is crazy the money that is going to a level of player that is not top tier.

  31. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    Adams is fine as the backup IFer, but hard to pencil in a rookie who has barely played at AAA as a starter and expect to do well next year. I do like Adams bat alot, but not ‘starter’ a lot. They really should have got him a taste last year in September :(

  32. RayVT December 3rd, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    Hello Doreen! I tend to agree with you completely. What I find hard to understand is how frugality with the Yankees will impact the brand which is the basis for all their value. Look at the Red Sox for instance. Their brand is taking a beating. Another year like last year & they could be ousted from being competitive. The O’s have made major steps forward & so has Toronto. The Rays have a wealth of talent & great pitching too. The Yankees are teetering here on being in the bottom half of the AL East. The demand for Yes would drop if Yanks are truly not competitve & so would tickets & merchandise will truly follow.

    I hope the young Steins don’t think they can will a great team again after a year or two of mediocrity. It isn’t that easy.

    George knew to make money you need to spend money! It appears that the Dodgers realize it too, but maybe not Hal & Hank!

  33. DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    Yankees possibly signing guys like Ross\Harriston, issa flash-back to the days of signing players like Steve Kemp. NO GO.
    Tearing a labrum is a Major injury. Since A-Rod had suffered this Exact same injury previously, he musta had a pretty good idea of what was going on with his body a 2nd time around. This pleading ignorance routine just don’t cut it. As usual, a situation involving A-Rod smells to high Heaven.

  34. ron December 3rd, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    The dodgers couldn’t afford the yankees.

  35. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    i heard on wfan that all the teams have a big check coming before this season from national tv revenue. add that to the value of all teams going up as a result of the dodger’s sale price, it looks like we’re seeing another increase in salaries.

  36. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    MTU -

    Yeah. I’m steeling myself to say “goodbye” to some personal favorites.

    But, that’s baseball, right? Always has been, always will be. Wheeling and dealing. Don’t get too attached. That’s includes those prospects that I love to watch. Some make it, some don’t; fewer actually make it TO or IN New York. Just the nature of the beast. Saves a lot of agita to look at it that way.

  37. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    It is crazy the money that is going to a level of player that is not top tier.

    Its because MLB is …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?f.....eHqo#t=28s

  38. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    I think if they can’t find any other options then a Chavez/Adams 3B platoon would be ok…..but they really need to attack this issue because its not going away.

    Arod needs to DH full time when he comes back because that’s really the only thing they can do to limit the stress in his hip…..they need a long term 3B answer and they will need an answer at SS sooner or later as well

  39. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    @jonmorosi: Sources: Mariners and Royals have had recent talks on Billy Butler.

    Can we have Montero back

  40. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    @mlbtraderumors: RT @Alden_Gonzalez: Soria’s contract with the #Rangers, which is still being finalized, will include a club option for a third year.

  41. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Ys Guy – It’s nuts! I thought it was going to settle a little downward, but not so.

    Well, looks like Selig got his wish – baseball flush with money, all teams involved EXCEPT the Yankees. ;)

  42. RayVT December 3rd, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Perhaps the Yanks plan to gut the Yankee miLB system and get players to help win now & stay under the cap. Then go wild in FA in 2014. It seems dysfunctional to me. A 10% hit on the Yankee brand (AKA switch to Dodgers or Rangers) would cost ? $400M alone. That is huge & may not be available to recapture without an even greater expense later if at all!

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    As usual, a situation involving A-Rod smells to high Heaven.
    ///

    At least, it hath not the eldest primal curse upon’t.

  44. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    As much as the mariners have been tied to catchers and DH’s you have to assume they either are considering moving Montero to 1B…..or are considering moving him all together

  45. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    RayVT,

    Hello :D.

    Dysfunctional is the word.

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    As much as the mariners have been tied to catchers and DH’s you have to assume they either are considering moving Montero to 1B…..or are considering moving him all together
    ///

    You-hoo! Over here, over here!

  47. RayVT December 3rd, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Does sound true! Selig is not probably capable of planning anything that well, but he may get his wish in spite of his ability!

  48. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    Doreen-

    SJ is no longer here but I learned a lot form him.

    He had real world insight into how players are viewed by teams.

    The takeaway I got from him is that almost all MiLB players are nothing more than trade chips.

    The reason being that most are not destined to make the Majors.

    The odds are greatly against it.

    So the game becomes knowing who to keep and who to discard.

    And when to do that.

    Since the budget is now more limited the Yankees are operating under a different set of rules than they are used to.

    They are in transition. They are walking a tighrope trying to maintain balnace between the past and the future.

    It takes great skill, and luck.

    If they fall and their isn’t a net it’s gonna be ugly.

    I’m hoping the skill and the luck are there.

    We’ll see.

    Now I need to apologize for the long post.

    :(

  49. RayVT December 3rd, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    Hello!!!! I can’t believe my eyes & ears with all the folks the Yanks are not in on & the few they are. Something doesn’t smell right in the Bronx.

  50. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Hi RayVT!

    It’s the type of business where you can’t rest on your laurels, even if those laurels include 27 World Championships.

    Anyway, another thing I heard on MLB radio today is that 95% of what GMs talk about behind closed doors does NOT get leaked. They are very afraid of Twitter, etc. and premature airing of deals that are in very early stages, where if they’re leaked, all kinds of things end up compromising or ending an deals.

  51. yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    “Both doctors believe that there is a very strong possibility that Rodriguez’s hip condition may have had a negative effect on his performance during the latter stages of the season and the playoffs.”
    _____
    Ya think? :roll:

  52. RayVT December 3rd, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    Very true! In the old days the Yanks could pluck the good ones that made it thru the development process. Not so much for 2013. While others have grasped & copied the Old Yankee Model, the Yankees are trying to be Tampa without all the draft picks & prospects. It doesn’t sound promising!

  53. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: #dodgers people like dee gordon but aren’t sure he’s ready yet. so they are willing to listen to offers

    I’ll trade Cervelli for him

  54. DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Who cares whether the hip had a negative impact on A-Rod’s performance. The thing that is obvious is that this guy is Consistently breaking down. If A-Rod was a car, he’d be referred to as a “Lemon”. If he was a horse, he’d be shot. Unfortunately, he’s a Yankee.

  55. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Ray-

    I counsel patience.

    Let’s wait and see what Cashman and Co come up with.

    In my case, many of the players I like or think can help are still out there.

    I wouldn’t expect Cashman to act quickly in this new environment.

    Still believe a big trade or two are posiible.

    Maybe it’s just my innate optimism.

    Waiting and watching.

    ;)

  56. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    I actually think Cervelli would be more helpful going forward than Gordon, but they can have Chris Stewart

  57. RayVT December 3rd, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    While that is always somewhat true, it appears there is little interest on several players at all by the Yanks & those players have signed elsewhere. While I am nervous I try to still be optimistic. But it seems the 2013 BUDGET is going to dictate the results over pragmatism & value or even cost benefit analyses.

  58. RayVT December 3rd, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Thanks! But the ledge is getting closer! LOL!

  59. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Marlins are shopping Escobar apparently. 2011 Yunel Escobar would be nice. Maybe they can throw in Stanton.

  60. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    getting fired up for the G-Men!

  61. BoJo December 3rd, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    oak2455 December 3rd, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Ross n Ichy is fine Penny
    —-
    Sounds more like a cartoon on The Simpsons than a Yankee RF platoon….

  62. RadioKev December 3rd, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    A-Rod really does have to be the full time DH, they can’t play around with having him on the field anymore. He’s going to be with this team for many years yet and they have to get the maximum production and value out of him.

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    RayVT December 3rd, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    Hello!!!! I can’t believe my eyes & ears with all the folks the Yanks are not in on & the few they are. Something doesn’t smell right in the Bronx.
    ///

    I’m anticipating a trade, since they don’t seem willing to spend any $$$. My fear is we give up our jewels for something less than sublime. Hope I’m wrong.

  64. LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Ys Guy December 3rd, 2012 at 6:32 pm
    ” LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Dolan is a horrible basketball owner but with no cap in MLB he has the potential to be a great baseball owner.”

    ——————————————————-
    id say his potential to be horrific is much higher.

    ———–

    Why horrific? He’d prob just sign the biggest name every year.

  65. RayVT December 3rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Let’s not be too rash about ARod here either! If Gardner were those things he’d be a Lemon or shot as well & Gardner has never had anywhere near the promise or results of ARod. Even last year ARod was one of the best 3B in the league even though he was hurt.

    I expect ARod to come back & be healthy for last half of 2013.

  66. randy l. December 3rd, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    the yankees had to know five years ago where they were trending towards being an aging team, yet they traded away numerous young players.

    why trade for granderson for example if you wouldn’t be able to afford him if he did well?

    the steinbrenners need to leave the table if they can’t afford to be in the game anymore.

    i’ve felt for awhile the yankees are in a downward spiral. i’m officially not that interested in what they do until i see some sign there’s new growth, positive growth.

    what i see is slow decline. it’s boring.

  67. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Ray-

    The AL east is only getting more difficult.

    I have to believe the Yankees intend to compete and see that.

    That means not trying to rest on your laurels and running-in-place.

    It means you have to address your weaknesses in a meaningful way so you can move forward and not sink.

    That logic forces me to the conclusion that the Yankees will try their damnest to bust a move.

    Maybe I’m wrong. We’ll see.

  68. BoJo December 3rd, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypg5R2jG3hc

    Itchy played by Brian cashman…Scratchy by Hal….

  69. DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Cashman shoulda got some insurance at 3B, immediately after that 1st A-Rod diagnosis from the Colorado Dr. And for Cashman to categorically rule out Nunez at 3B, is another Bone Head statement\manuever.

  70. RayVT December 3rd, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Last year pitching was the key to the kingdom supposedly. Plop! Thud! But Yanks couldn’t hit LH Pitchers even though the Yankee SP & BP did great.

    Yanks can’t lose Swish, ARod, Martin & Jeter (degraded) & expect to compete.

    Hopefully some young stars will arrive via trade & the Yanks won’t get ripped off too badly.

  71. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    I have no problem with not hearing about deals, etc. I realize it does NOT mean the Yankees aren’t busy working on things. It is the unpredictability that is unsettling. For many years, things followed a set pattern and the pattern is broken and that’s just hard to deal with as a fan.

    MTU – nothing is every as bad as it looks when it’s bad, nor as good as it looks when it’s good. Not gonna get all bent out of shape.

    BUT it’s a weird new world.

  72. ron December 3rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    Are you kidding me?
    The yankees are going to have a gazillion dollars to spend,and nobody under contract.
    That is the direction they are heading.
    Maybe not quite as good as the dodgers deal,but not far off,and only because the dodgers got an exemption because of bankruptcy.

  73. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Doreen-

    It is a different environment for now.

  74. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    The yankees are going to have a gazillion dollars to spend,and nobody under contract.

    Yea in 2017. Doesn’t do us much good for the 4 seasons before then.

  75. BoJo December 3rd, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    As many of us have been saying for awhile now….the Yankees may have to make a decision between getting under the tax and taking a step back and risking attendance drops and harm to their brand….,

    They aren’t a playoff team right now….Cashman and Hal still have time to change that and there are options out there to change that
    ====
    Said it before–I’m okay with taking a step back and missing play-offs a year or two if it means getting lined up to acquire Bryce Harper and other young talent and making another dynasty run.

  76. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    The yankees are going to have a gazillion dollars to spend,and nobody under contract.

    ——————————–

    What yr is that though? We might be talking about a 3-4 yr thing

  77. RayVT December 3rd, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    What I didn’t understand is why Nunez wasn’t playing anything but SS in the miLB when his value was to be diverse. Then of course he was thrusted into the OF (LF) with all the slicing on balls hit that way from most teams going with LH bats in YS & everyone could not figure out why he wasn’t successful. Then Yanks put him at 3B w/o him playing there either & he was expected to star as well. The plan or lack thereof on so many avenues make me cautious that the Yanks truly have one other than just dollars.

  78. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    @dylanohernandez: #Dodgers are talking to 10-12 teams about potential trades

  79. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    The dodgers sound really dynamic and interesting to follow this offseason :(

  80. RayVT December 3rd, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Yes & if the value of the Yanks drops will they re-invest the capital needed to push it up again?

  81. DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Yea, you cut off the flow of $$$, and The Emperor\Cashman has No clothes.

  82. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    “the steinbrenners need to leave the table if they can’t afford to be in the game anymore.”

    Oh they can afford it…. This is all about will and that makes it worse

  83. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    The dodgers sound really dynamic and interesting to follow this offseason

    *****

    Too bad for their fans they were not that successful during the 2012 season – - – -

  84. BoJo December 3rd, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    The question I ask myself is:

    “Would I rather see the team spend big and keep tying up over the hill ball players that get toeam to play-offs, and then fall out because of lack of clutch superstars, or would I acccept 2-3 down years to set teh team up to acquire stars that can win world championships?”

    I’d rather miss the early play-off exits for 3 years and see the team make another dynastty run. to that end, I’d be willing to trade Cano, Grandy, CC, Tex, and anyone else over 30 to get younger and more talented. I’d like to see them create a spot for Joba to start…get young talent like Headley and Harper…etc.

  85. RayVT December 3rd, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    I’m not saying what the Dodgers are doing is right because they seem to be spending for the sake of spending to see what filters out. That is not a sustainable plan. But it is a “BRAND” builder on the short term. One that will pay large dividends in they can install a loaded team that makes a run at a few WS titles.

  86. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Sources: #Rays pursuing #Marlins’ Escobar to be everyday shortstop. #Athletics also could be in play.

  87. DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    I’ll get interested in the Dodgers when they make the Playoffs under this new regime. Till then, it’s merely a lotta noise.

  88. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    The Red Sox sound really dynamic and interesting to follow this 2010-11 offseason

  89. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    “Said it before–I’m okay with taking a step back and missing play-offs a year or two if it means getting lined up to acquire Bryce Harper and other young talent and making another dynasty run.”

    Harper won’t be available for like 6 years and the Nats will probably tie him up long term soon anyway……if he and Trout continue on their pace then my guess is they both get offered 200 million dollar extensions well before hitting free agency

  90. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    The dodgers sound really dynamic and interesting to follow this offseason :(

    ————————-

    The line from Colletti sounds like something from a movie

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Said it before–I’m okay with taking a step back and missing play-offs a year or two if it means getting lined up to acquire Bryce Harper and other young talent and making another dynasty run.
    ///

    Bojo,

    This is the approach they should have taken in 2010, IMO. The championship gave them house money to really dig in and try to work in young players with the established MLB roster. Instead, they messed with a championship core too much, sent young Cabrera packing, decided Joba would be a bullpen lifer and gave his rotation spot to Javier Vasquez (ironically, to “save the bullpen.”). It’s been downhill from there, as far as I’m concerned.

  92. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    The Marlins sound really dynamic and interesting to follow this 2011-2012 offseason

  93. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Too bad for their fans they were not that successful during the 2012 season – – – -

    Gotta give the new ownership time to work. Dealing with the last ownerships roster based on a tight budget because of the McCourts embezzling. They have to break free from it. With all the trades & signings they are still no where near the limits of their budget for profitability.

    I’d like to see the Yankees spend within their profitability, instead of seeking to maximize it.

  94. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    @Jim_Duquette: Source – #Blue Jays are 1 of the serious suitors for RA Dickey – would include a package with a catcher (Arencibia) plus others.

    Oh good….

  95. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Messed with a championship core by changing Melky and Joba – must resist – I will and be good – - – -

  96. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    It’s really true that we are among the least interesting teams as we sit today.

  97. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    3 or 4 years is not an eternity. It’s not wonderful, sure. But there is no entitlement here.

    It’s gonna be interesting. Many many people used to nothing but Ws. Including myself. Gonna have to maybe take a step back and appreciate the little things, like fans of other teams have done. It’s the cyclical nature of stuff.

  98. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    Seriously….the Dodgers are gonna sign Greinke and probably Soriano and take about a 230 million dollar payroll into 2013…..take that luxury tax

  99. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    Considering the deal Jonny Gomes got I can’t imagine either Ross or Hairston who are both better defensive players and had better seasons than Gomes settling for 1 year deals.

    I’ll throw another name out there for the 3b mix. Chris Johnson. Cashman and Kevin Towers love making trades – the D’backs have Cliff Pennington and Willie Bloomquist. Maybe if the Yankees offered them Nunez and a pitching prospect for Johnson and Kubel or Parra it would make sense to the D’backs?

  100. DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    The Napoli signing is merely another 1 dimensional player being added to the R\Sox. Ortiz, Napoli, Ross, whatever. R\Sox need SP, Not more gorillas hitting the ball 9 miles.

  101. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    The Marlins sound really dynamic and interesting to follow this 2011-2012 offseason

    They were, they were going all out, but it was also illusory they simply did not have the revenues and ownership the Dodgers have. Same with the Red Sox. The Red Sox have always acted on a budget.

    You’re being purposefully obtuse about the point I made.

  102. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Kobe is probably hitting in the cage on days off tinder if he can get some money from the dodgers

  103. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    Seriously….the Dodgers are gonna sign Greinke and probably Soriano and take about a 230 million dollar payroll into 2013…..take that luxury tax
    ——————

    All luxury taxes are not equal. As repeat offenders the Yankees would face a much higher tax rate than the Dodgers will. That’s why the Yankees are trying so hard to get under the 189; it resets the tax rate for them.

  104. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    You’re being purposefully obtuse about the point I made.

    ******

    I apologize if that is how you interpret – I should have just finished or replied and said the offseason does not guarantee on the field success. I will leave it at that – I am trying my best here – - – -

  105. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    The Dodgers are in a position only 1 other team in history has occupied, The Yankees, in that they can significantly outspend most of baseball by a factor of 1.5 without eating into profits.

  106. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    On a lighter note – Angelo Gumbs has hit a double and homer in December in the Caribbean winter league – at least he is healthy – - – -

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    RayVT December 3rd, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Last year pitching was the key to the kingdom supposedly. Plop! Thud! But Yanks couldn’t hit LH Pitchers even though the Yankee SP & BP did great.

    Yanks can’t lose Swish, ARod, Martin & Jeter (degraded) & expect to compete.

    Hopefully some young stars will arrive via trade & the Yanks won’t get ripped off too badly.
    ///

    Ray,

    That’s what you hope – that they don’t get ripped off too badly. What an outlook. I mean it when I say I am more excited about watching Trenton games come April than the big club.

  108. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    The offseason doesn’t guarantee success, but spending money on your team is one of the surest ways to maintain it. Very few low payroll teams make the playoffs, and they are usually flukey (outside of the Rays). And the Rays best season outside of their ‘all the minor league progress comes together’ 2008 had them at their highest payroll since they were the Devil Rays. They placed first.

    And there is no team other than the Yankees that spend at this level.

  109. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    3 or 4 years is not an eternity. It’s not wonderful, sure. But there is no entitlement here.

    ———————

    The problem is we have to have faith in the FO. The one advantage they had was money and now they have to develop well and be creative.

  110. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    We are witnessing the operation of the “Golden Rule” as it applies to baseball.

    “He who hath the gold maketh the rules.”

    :)

  111. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    “All luxury taxes are not equal. As repeat offenders the Yankees would face a much higher tax rate than the Dodgers will. That’s why the Yankees are trying so hard to get under the 189; it resets the tax rate for them.”

    Yes …but I don’t think the yanks are going to take the payroll back up again anytime soon….I just dont

  112. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    outside of the Rays

    *****

    I think the A’s also should have some consideration – - – -

  113. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Blake-

    Maybe the new owners will.

    :)

  114. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Abe Almonte doing well in winter league – hopefully on Thursday other teams are not paying attention – - – -

  115. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    3 or 4 years is an eternity in sports. Entire rosters turn over in that time. It can really kill enthusiasm to suffer through 4 bad years. No one wants to wait 4 years for something nice.

  116. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    The offseason doesn’t guarantee success, but spending money on your team is one of the surest ways to maintain it. Very few low payroll teams make the playoffs, and they are usually flukey (outside of the Rays). And the Rays best season outside of their ‘all the minor league progress comes together’ 2008 had them at their highest payroll since they were the Devil Rays. They placed first.

    And there is no team other than the Yankees that spend at this level.
    ————–

    And, once again, if you’re a team that doesn’t want to spend money then you have to not only be good at developing your young players but you have to be willing to play them.

    The Yankees have young players who could be used this season in the Almontes, David Adams, Austin Romine and Mustellier – will they all play well? Probably not. But at some point if the Yankees are serious about this payroll they’re going to need to take that risk.

  117. BoJo December 3rd, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    “Said it before–I’m okay with taking a step back and missing play-offs a year or two if it means getting lined up to acquire Bryce Harper and other young talent and making another dynasty run.”

    Harper won’t be available for like 6 years and the Nats will probably tie him up long term soon anyway……if he and Trout continue on their pace then my guess is they both get offered 200 million dollar extensions well before hitting free agency

    I think Harper and Boras will get him to NYC because he wants to play there. That means he will not renegotiate a new Nats contract, and force them to trade him earlier. IMO anyway.

    I don’t see trout being available….

    But my point is that trading players like CC, Cano, and others can get you a lot of young talent to build on.

  118. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    The chances of the Red Sox signing Hamilton are not high, a source tells ESPN’s Jayson Stark (Twitter link).

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#5g2YwJISDzAB6dLH.99

  119. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Abe Almonte doing well in winter league – hopefully on Thursday other teams are not paying attention – – – -
    ———————

    Abe Almonte has always played well, the issue has been whether or not he can stay healthy. My hope is that the Yankees can keep him, my fear is that he’s a goner.

  120. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    I have never been into this so-called “entitlement.”

    If anything, I found George’s mandate of win-or-bust to be purple in the extreme, and have really wanted to watch the team grow a core of young players who come of age together.

    None of that has to do with outbidding everyone for other people’s players. The odd trade, a strategic signing, and bringing some of your better players along, hopefully to the next level, is what is worth watching and rooting for.

  121. BoJo December 3rd, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    “All luxury taxes are not equal. As repeat offenders the Yankees would face a much higher tax rate than the Dodgers will. That’s why the Yankees are trying so hard to get under the 189; it resets the tax rate for them.”

    Yes …but I don’t think the yanks are going to take the payroll back up again anytime soon….I just dont

    I disagree.

    If I recall the details correctly, they just need to hit the $189M mark in 2013 to get out of penalty payments and re-set their slate. After that, they can raise the budget again. That is really important to remember.

  122. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    I think the A’s also should have some consideration – – – -

    yea definitely, the 2000-2003 A’s were amazing in their ability to win on a tight, tight budget. They could do it because they had a core of 3-4 great position players and 3 great pitchers all in team control time. Then they missed the playoffs 7 out of 8 years right after. The Yankees should not be that team.

    Other teams measure their windows in a handful of years. The Yankees should be knocking down walls to measure their window, fist fulls of years.

  123. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    A’s almost made the series in 2006

    Did not mean to imply the Yanks should be the A’s – just stating that they should be included in a list that includes the Rays – - – -

  124. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    But my point is that trading players like CC, Cano, and others can get you a lot of young talent to build on.

    ————

    It would bring talent but the fans would revolt

  125. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    The Rangers currently have no plans to speak with Hamilton or his agent, GM Jon Daniels told reporters today.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#uxkBBrSVEf144mg8.99

  126. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    If I recall the details correctly, they just need to hit the $189M mark in 2013 to get out of penalty payments and re-set their slate. After that, they can raise the budget again. That is really important to remember.

    If they go under once the next time they go over they start at 17.5% tax rate. That’s an admirable goal, but not one they should be doing at all costs. But that option will be available, most likely, in the new CBA and going forward. The thing you’re forgetting is the rebates that are only available in this CBA and only available in 2013-2014-2015-2016. That is why the Yankees are likely to stay under for 14-16.

  127. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    but the fans would revolt

    *****

    Oh, based on reading this blog – the fans are already in revolt – - – -

  128. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Against All Odds -

    Or we have to realize that they’ve looked at their balance sheets and figured in the overall cost of getting to that 189 budget number including loss in attendance etc, and are okay with that in the short term. That is, if the plan is simply to get the luxury tax in order and redefine how they do business with free agents in the future.

    If their plan is to sell, that’s a different story, and we are mere bystanders and can only hope any new buyer wants a baseball team and not simply a good investment opportunity.

    The Yankees have never really been a group that explains themselves, even when they were spending money like drunken sailors (which of course is a lot more fun for the fans), they didn’t care what anyone else had to say. And it’s not really any different now, except this process of trying to save money is not fun.

    I look at it this way – I choose to take the “glass half full” scenario, which says, after they re-set the luxury tax, they can get three players for the same money it used to cost them to get one or two still spending the same on salary, and who doesn’t like a BOGO sale??? ;)

    I’m not naive; just making a choice. I realize things can go quite differently. And it’s something I have no control over – so I’ll just rubberneck.

  129. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    I disagree.

    If I recall the details correctly, they just need to hit the $189M mark in 2013 to get out of penalty payments and re-set their slate. After that, they can raise the budget again. That is really important to remember.

    ——————–

    Isn’t it staying under the tax from 14-16

  130. BoJo December 3rd, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    But my point is that trading players like CC, Cano, and others can get you a lot of young talent to build on.

    ————

    It would bring talent but the fans would revolt
    —–
    Have you seen this blog during games? Many of their fans are already revolting. :-)

  131. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    “If I recall the details correctly, they just need to hit the $189M mark in 2013 to get out of penalty payments and re-set their slate. After that, they can raise the budget again. That is really important to remember.”

    In addition to what JF said….I just think Hal likes the number lower and will try to keep it there….indications of that were happening even before the new CBA….

    I think they’ll keep it between 185-195 or million

  132. BoJo December 3rd, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    I recall reading an analysis of the budget issue during the summer which showed that just getting under $189M in 2013 would save them a ton of money going forward…I don’t recall the article stating they had to stay under budget for the following years, but JF and AAO raise interesting point…not sure if that is as important to Hal that he would let team flounder for several years…

  133. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    One of my points about the CBT is that its fine to get under it for one year, but so when its expedient, not when the team is very much not in the position to handle it. If you wait a few seasons and find out that Austin/Heathcott/Flores/Williams/Sanchez are all looking very good and can be starters and you have some cost controlled pitching, THEN you cut the budget. You can do that when you have a number of highly paid spots filled with the league minimum guys. Not when you’re trying to supplement an aging team with free agency.

  134. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    but the fans would revolt

    *****

    Oh, based on reading this blog – the fans are already in revolt – – – -

    —————-

    Rage against the machine

  135. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    If the Nats offer Harper 10/200 at age 22 then he ain’t turning that down that far from Free agency….he’d be set for life and would hit the market again at 32…..then he could go play for the Yankees after his prime like everybody else

  136. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    How do you get under $189 and still field a strong team?

    Sign Josh Hamilton and then trade Robinson Cano and Curtis Granderson.

    You won’t get players back who are as good (especially in the case of Cano) but what you can do is improve yourself in multiple areas by taking a hit in one spot. For example, if the Yankees could get a good young catcher and 3b for Cano and then had to play David Adams at 2b then, while you take a hit going from Cano to Adams, you might have improved your situation at two other spots.

    It’s depth over the single best player. That’s the only way I think it can be done.

  137. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    If the Nats offer Harper 10/200 at age 22 then he ain’t turning that down that far from Free agency….he’d be set for life and would hit the market again at 32…..then he could go play for the Yankees after his prime like everybody else
    ——————-

    Agree with the premise – given their teams and the trends in baseball, unless they fall off a cliff, neither Trout nor Harper will hit free agency until they are past their primes.

  138. BoJo December 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    The other thing I try to keep reminding myself is that overall value is tied to YES, and putting a good product on field is a driver to YES valuation. What is best path to long-term valuation? Keeping a play-off first round team and saving penalty money, or restructuring and building a dynasty? probably the former if one wants to sell, the latter if in it for longer term…I guess.

  139. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    I don’t recall the article stating they had to stay under budget for the following years

    ———————

    It’s been brought up on here a few times regarding that issue

  140. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    If the Yankees are allowed to fall too far in the standings it will hurt their bottom line, and that will impair the Steins ability to sell.

    They must keep the cow well feed in order to sell it. The revenue stream must look good. That is fans coming to the park. Less fans go to the park when the team sucks.

    That means they must compete. In order to compete in the AL East beast the Yankees must not just run in place.

    Therefore they will not do so.

    Meaning they will find a good way to remove their weaknesses.

    At least I hope so.

    ;)

  141. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 7:46 pm
    The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    but the fans would revolt

    *****

    Oh, based on reading this blog – the fans are already in revolt – – – -

    —————-

    Rage against the machine

    ******

    Hal just released this statement:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2EARJGkdTM

    quickly lohud – assemble – and storm the castle – - – -

  142. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    BoJo December 3rd, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    But my point is that trading players like CC, Cano, and others can get you a lot of young talent to build on.

    ————

    It would bring talent but the fans would revolt
    —–
    Have you seen this blog during games? Many of their fans are already revolting. :-)

    ———

    Our friend Mac is in complete slaughter mode. If it moves it’s getting hit lol

  143. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    I recall reading an analysis of the budget issue during the summer which showed that just getting under $189M in 2013 would save them a ton of money going forward

    Eh not really? By simply spending the same amount they do now over 2014-2016 they will save 30 million because 189 is a higher threshold than 168 and 178. If they get under for 1 year they will pay 17.5% tax next time over, then 30%, then 40%, then 50%. So if they go under only in 2014 they will pay 17.5% in 2015, then 30% in 2016. Their savings will come from reducing payroll in 2014, and receiving 100% of 50% of a revenue sharing rebate, then 25% of a 75% rebate in 2015.

    basically if they are under 189 in 14-16 they will save around 100 mil. So going under once is going to be much less than that.

  144. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    I can see the Phillies winding up with Mike Bourn and doing a deal for Mike Young.

  145. BoJo December 3rd, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    How do you get under $189 and still field a strong team?

    Sign Josh Hamilton and then trade Robinson Cano and Curtis Granderson.
    —–
    I agree…the key is to get a player who can carry a team through the play-offs, like ARod did in 2009.

  146. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    i’ve felt for awhile the yankees are in a downward spiral. i’m officially not that interested in what they do until i see some sign there’s new growth, positive growth.

    what i see is slow decline. it’s boring.
    ///

    Randy,

    It is hard to work up much of a lather about what they do this offseason. Like I said, I’m more interested in watching Trenton. Baltimore may still suck, but they’ve got Machado and Wieter to watch grow up – and Bundy on the way. Us? We are supposed to genuflect before another 95 win season, except we know how hollow that “winning” season really was and many of us knew what real pitching was going to do to that lineup in the postseason.

    This administration isn’t going anywhere, though, with the current ownership still entrenched. And I have to say, Cashman has all but forfeited whatever good will I had left toward him as a GM. I just do not believe in his ideas, & I don’t care for the way he’s treated people along the way. You made a good point through all that red state/blue state stuff on here in January that the people who did this remain in power, and right now, it feels like that’s the thing that has to change.

  147. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    The 189 number itself isn’t a bad number to aim for. The problem is until the long term contracts are finished or at a more manageable level, is they’re not starting from 0 and building to 189. Once they get under the LT, and get it so they’re not penalized for spending their money, that 189 will go farther.

    You can say it shouldn’t matter – the Yankees should spend, spend, spend. But it’s their money. And if they eventually field a championship team for 189 instead of something over 220 or so why not? I see nothing wrong with the goal. If that’s the goal.

  148. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    OK then.

    So am I like the only fool left in town who thinks the Yankees might still signifcantly improve themselves this OS ?

    :(

  149. BoJo December 3rd, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    I don’t recall the article stating they had to stay under budget for the following years

    ———————

    It’s been brought up on here a few times regarding that issue
    ====
    Just goes to show why it is a bad idea to stay away from here for too long….my bad…

  150. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    You can say it shouldn’t matter – the Yankees should spend, spend, spend. But it’s their money.

    They already make a large profit, I really can’t cheer for some corporate suits getting richer.

  151. BoJo December 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    I can see the Phillies winding up with Mike Bourn and doing a deal for Mike Young.
    _—
    The old “Bourn Young” move, eh?

  152. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    OK then.

    So am I like the only fool left in town who thinks the Yankees might still signifcantly improve themselves this OS ?

    *********

    I will join your rag-tag group of fools – - – -

  153. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    And if the goal is to sell, that is their right.

  154. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    “Chip says:
    December 3, 2012 at 7:47 pm
    How do you get under $189 and still field a strong team?

    Sign Josh Hamilton and then trade Robinson Cano and Curtis Granderson.”

    You can trade Granderson but not Cano if you want a title contender…. You want Cano and Hamilton both in the lineup unless you decide to take a step back and rebuild …..cause you’re not getting equal big league talent in return for Cano

  155. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    So am I like the only fool left in town who thinks the Yankees might still signifcantly improve themselves this OS ?

    Cash has surprised before. I’m hoping for a trade out of no where, but the rhetoric & actions on the market so far seem like they are scared to put any money on the books for 2014. That doesn’t bode well.

    Maybe one day I wake up and we got a great player in a trade, but I feel like I’m more likely to wake up and see we signed a 1 year retread

  156. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Jon Heyman thinks the opening day 3b for the Yankees – Eric Chavez
    Tom Verducci – Jeff Keppinger
    Ken Rosenthal – Marco Scutaro

    I honestly wouldn’t mind if they went with a Keppinger/Chavez platoon there. But I do want David Adams and Mustellier to at least get a shot.

  157. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    You made some good points Doreen and you’re right saving money is not fun as a fan especially when we are used to them spending.

    Your presence has been missed on Lohud. Glad to see you back

  158. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Thanks SB.

    I thought I was going down with the ship by myself.

    Welcome aboard.

    :)

  159. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    My hopes are rising for a Roy Hobbs Josh Hamilton signing…..still low but I think there is a chance……it’s quite and the Yanks haven’t denied it and Cashman was somewhat aloof on his answer to the question today.

    If he will do a 3 or 4 year deal then Ithink there is a real possibility they sign him them move Granderson to clear salary and gain prospects

  160. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    MTU -

    They could. Anything is possible. :)

  161. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    BoJo December 3rd, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    I don’t recall the article stating they had to stay under budget for the following years

    ———————

    It’s been brought up on here a few times regarding that issue
    ====
    Just goes to show why it is a bad idea to stay away from here for too long….my bad…

    ———–

    No problem nothing wrong with taking a break from the board. Besides it will probably get brought up again. It tends to pop back up every few weeks.

  162. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    I reserve the right to change sides by ST or possibly sooner.

    For now I’m hopeful.

    :)

  163. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    OK then.

    So am I like the only fool left in town who thinks the Yankees might still signifcantly improve themselves this OS ?
    ///

    They will probably make an upgrade here and there. But at what cost? Remains to be seen.

  164. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Keppinger or Scutero would both be good

  165. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    BoJo feel free to read about the CBT & Yankees in this article I wrote: http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....e-yankees/

  166. BoJo December 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    And if the goal is to sell, that is their right.
    =====
    Yes it is…and we fans will jhust have to accept the disappointments that come with that path.

  167. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    “Chip says:
    December 3, 2012 at 7:47 pm
    How do you get under $189 and still field a strong team?

    Sign Josh Hamilton and then trade Robinson Cano and Curtis Granderson.”

    You can trade Granderson but not Cano if you want a title contender…. You want Cano and Hamilton both in the lineup unless you decide to take a step back and rebuild …..cause you’re not getting equal big league talent in return for Cano
    ————–

    Given the payroll constraints we already know that Granderson won’t be retained because they can’t afford both Granderson and Cano. So if they can’t afford Grandy and Cano then logic dictates that they can’t afford Hamilton and Cano.

    Your choices, if you want to sign Hamilton, are to deal Granderson and Cano this winter or let them both walk next winter. Either way, you’re at most getting one year with Cano and Hamilton in the lineup. My opinion is that you can help your team better over the long term by dealing Robbie, taking a hit at 2b and maybe improving yourself in some other areas than you would by just playing out the string with Cano and hoping that the 189 mandate goes away.

  168. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    They won’t trade Grandy until he gets back from Korea/Japan. Cause right now he’s wearing the pinstripes and trading Yankees gear. It would be really bad form.

    (Thanks, Against All Odds.)

  169. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Thanks SB.

    I thought I was going down with the ship by myself.

    Welcome aboard.

    ****

    Aye aye skipper

  170. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    My hopes are rising for a Roy Hobbs Josh Hamilton signing…..still low but I think there is a chance……it’s quite and the Yanks haven’t denied it and Cashman was somewhat aloof on his answer to the question today.

    If he will do a 3 or 4 year deal then Ithink there is a real possibility they sign him them move Granderson to clear salary and gain prospects
    ——————–

    Moving Granderson is irrelevant to the problem. The problem is that the Yankees won’t be able to afford both Cano and Hamilton going forward.

  171. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    @jonmorosi: #Tigers have not offered Scott Hairston a two-year contract, as I reported earlier. I misinterpreted information on that. My apologies.

  172. BoJo December 3rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    BoJo feel free to read about the CBT & Yankees in this article I wrote: http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar…..e-yankees/
    —-
    Thanks JF! When can we expect the book?

  173. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    “Moving Granderson is irrelevant to the problem. The problem is that the Yankees won’t be able to afford both Cano and Hamilton going forward.”

    Maybe not…..but as I’ve said….4 years for Hamilton is much better than 8 for Cano

  174. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    We’re still in the mix for Hairston!

  175. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    Blue Jays moving on R.A.

    They’re likely to offer the Mets JP Arrencebia and an OF like Rajai Davis

  176. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    They’re likely to offer the Mets JP Arrencebia and an OF like Rajai Davis

    That won’t get it done.

  177. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    still low but I think there is a chance

    *******

    there is a chance – sure – - – -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA

  178. LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    It’s not $189M. At best it’s something like $170M.

    We are talking about a $40M reduction in player salaries.

  179. Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Anyway, goodnight all.

    Hopefully no catastrophic news on the Yankees front tomorrow. Hey, at least ARod kept the Yankees near the top of the information updates. ;)

  180. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    You’re welcome Doreen

  181. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    @jonmorosi: #Tigers have not offered Scott Hairston a two-year contract, as I reported earlier. I misinterpreted information on that. My apologies.

    ******

    this guy would fit right in with the Yanks PR department – - – -

  182. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    We’re still in the mix for Hairston!
    ————–

    I doubt he’ll wind up with the Yankees. Gomes got 2 years $10 m. Hairston is a better defensive player and had a better season – why would he settle for a 1 year deal?

  183. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    @joecapMARLINS: Confirmed what @jcrasnick reported: Ricky Nolasco wants #Marlins to trade him.

  184. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    “Moving Granderson is irrelevant to the problem. The problem is that the Yankees won’t be able to afford both Cano and Hamilton going forward.”

    Maybe not…..but as I’ve said….4 years for Hamilton is much better than 8 for Cano
    ——————–

    I agree – which is why I say sign Hamilton and trade Cano.

  185. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    LGY says:
    December 3, 2012 at 8:04 pm
    It’s not $189M. At best it’s something like $170M.

    Yup….from what I can tell if Alex hits his bonus in 2014 it’ll be about 172 as the real limit……..which is almost 50 million short of their highest payroll…..that’s two Arod contracts less

  186. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    It’s not $189M. At best it’s something like $170M.

    We are talking about a $40M reduction in player salaries.

    ———————-

    True that’s the real number. Sweeny Murti is one of the few reporters that mentions it

  187. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    I agree – which is why I say sign Hamilton and trade Cano.”

    If have to see the deal…..cause I think 2013 may be their best shot at a title for a few years and unless its a real good return Is probably prefer to just keep Cano and Hamilton together and try to win a title in 2013

  188. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    @Buster_ESPN: OAK passed on Yunel Escobar last summer, but he fits now: Cheap, great contract, good OBP — and if he grates on them, low cost to dump.

  189. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Have a good rest of your evening Doreen.

    See ya’ in the AM ( I hope).

    :)

  190. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    JAP-

    Yes. We wait and hope. At least I do.

    ;)

  191. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    @joecapMARLINS: Confirmed what @jcrasnick reported: Ricky Nolasco wants #Marlins to trade him
    —————–

    Offer them Granderson for him and Nolasco.

    Trade Cano to the Nats for Espinosa, Rendon and Morse

    Trade Nunez to Arizona for Chris Johnson

    Sign Hamilton

    Sign Chavez and Stephen Drew

    Go with an opening day lineup of:

    Jeter
    Espinosa
    Hamilton – CF
    Tex
    Morse – RF
    Chris Johnson – DH
    Logan Morrison – LF
    David Adams – 3b
    Romine – C

    Bench: Stewart, Gardner, Chavez, Drew

  192. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    sorry – that should have been “offer them Granderson for him and Logan Morrison”

  193. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Granderson should be worth more than a bad salary dump and a guy who kind of stinks. I wouldn’t make that trade.

  194. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Why would the Marlins want 1 year of Grandy? And I don’t think that’s enough for me for Cano…love Rendon but he’s a bit away…..

  195. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Plus LoMo kinda sucks

  196. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Grandy should be able to pull 1 top 100 prospect at least. Trading him, essentially, for LoMo is not worth it. He is injury prone, a trouble maker, and isn’t a great baseball player. He is a buy low guy that you’re paying non-buy low prices for.

    Nolasco as an expensive guy who stinks is certainly not worth Grandy.

  197. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Do the Yankees see the Barbarians at the gate ?

    Will they stand and fight, or just surrender ?

  198. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    Sign Hamilton
    Sign Keppinger
    Sign Ichiro
    Sign Hairston
    Sign AJ
    Trade Granderson to the braves for Randall Delgado and nick Ahmed

  199. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Sign Hamilton
    Sign Keppinger
    Sign Ichiro
    Sign Hairston
    Sign AJ
    Trade Granderson to the braves for Randall Delgado and nick Ahmed

    ******

    You forgot to ask for world peace while you are at it – - – -

  200. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Do the Yankees see the Barbarians at the gate ?

    *****

    good book and tv movie- – - -

  201. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    “You forgot to ask for world peace while you are at it –”

    I’ll take that as well

  202. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Blake-

    I’m on board w #2, and #5.

    I’d be on board with #1 too but that’s a reach even for me.

    Feel free to make it happen though.

    ;)

  203. LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    I am one to complain about ticket prices but after the Yankees received almost a billion dollars in tax free bonds from the city of NY and jacked up ticket prices in the new stadium, sorry slashing payroll is not something any fan should be ok with.

  204. LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    *not one*

  205. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    Trade Granderson to the braves for Randall Delgado and nick Ahmed
    ————–

    Alright – do this instead of the Nolasco deal and then send Ivan Nova to the Royals for Gordon

    Same lineup I had above but with Gordon instead of Morrison.

  206. jr1212 December 3rd, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    #screwthebudget

  207. MTU December 3rd, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Chip-

    Where do I sign ?

    Not even sniffing Gordon for just Nova alone.

  208. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    I am one to complain about ticket prices but after the Yankees received almost a billion dollars in tax free bonds from the city of NY and jacked up ticket prices in the new stadium, sorry slashing payroll is not something any fan should be ok with.

    And they just received near a billion dollars for the YES sale.

  209. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    “Alright – do this instead of the Nolasco deal and then send Ivan Nova to the Royals for Gordon”

    Nova ain’t enough for Gordon….

  210. jr1212 December 3rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Sign Hamilton
    Trade for Carlos Santana
    Sign Keppinger

    #screwthebudget

  211. comet December 3rd, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    The problem as I see it is the new CBA. This Yankee team was built so that it could go out and spend when the need arose.

    Now that is financially imperative to get under $189 million in 2014 the contracts the Yankees have signed in the past are a burden. Surely someone must have realized that players do not preform as well at 38 as they do at 38. The Yankee payroll has not risen in several years.

    As Doreen said Selig has his wish and some form of rough parity will soon rule baseball.

    I would entertain offers for pretty much anyone who is tradeable but the trouble is, as was pointed out earlier, that the Yankees don’t get out from under these enormous contracts until 2017. That means if they trade for prospects, the prospects will need to be young and that in turn means there is a much greater chance of failure for the acquired prospects. It is in my view a no win situation for a few years.

  212. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    CC at the Giant/Redskin game

  213. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Plan B:

    Sign Hamilton
    Trade all the prospects for Giancarlo!

  214. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    The problem as I see it is the new CBA. This Yankee team was built so that it could go out and spend when the need arose.

    Now that is financially imperative to get under $189 million in 2014 the contracts the Yankees have signed in the past are a burden. Surely someone must have realized that players do not preform as well at 38 as they do at 38. The Yankee payroll has not risen in several years.

    The thing with the CBA though is that there is nothing forcing them to do it. They could save 30 million by just doing business as usual. Its naked greed.

  215. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    Trade all the prospects for Giancarlo!

    You mean trade http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrTsuvykUZk

  216. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    The problem as I see it is the new CBA. This Yankee team was built so that it could go out and spend when the need arose.

    Now that is financially imperative to get under $189 million in 2014 the contracts the Yankees have signed in the past are a burden. Surely someone must have realized that players do not preform as well at 38 as they do at 38. The Yankee payroll has not risen in several years.

    The thing with the CBA though is that there is nothing forcing them to do it. They could save 30 million by just doing business as usual. Its naked greed.
    —————-
    Or, rather than talking about improving the farm system and developing players they could have actually done it.

  217. Thomo December 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Haven’t logged in recently and now I remember why. What drivel…trade everyone for whomever…panic over nothing…lob nasty comments for no apparent reason…and then (private) comments having nothing to do with the thread, or baseball in general.
    I’m out…again.

  218. David in Cal December 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Jerkface — thanks for your explanation.

  219. Triple Short of a Cycle December 3rd, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    I’m out…again.

    —————

    I’m sure you will be missed. Who are you again?

  220. Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Or, rather than talking about improving the farm system and developing players they could have actually done it.

    Yeap, they could really use a couple of cost controlled position players right about now.

  221. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    How about Granderson to the Phillies for Carlos Ruiz. You plug along with Romine/Stewart for the first month while Ruiz is suspended and then go from there.

    Sign Cody Ross

    Deal Warren for Garrett Jones

    You have:

    Jeter
    Espinosa
    Hamilton
    Tex
    Morse – LF
    Jones/Ross – RF
    Johnson – DH (moves to 3b when Alex comes back)
    Chavez/Adams – 3b
    Romine – C until Ruiz comes back.

  222. Chip December 3rd, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Or, rather than talking about improving the farm system and developing players they could have actually done it.

    Yeap, they could really use a couple of cost controlled position players right about now.
    ————–

    In the OF and behind the plate LOL

  223. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Who are you again?

    *****

    This guy:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d49ucMOKh5s

  224. Triple Short of a Cycle December 3rd, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Nice BS call for the Redskins

  225. Triple Short of a Cycle December 3rd, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    So much for needing “conclusive” evidence to overturn a call

  226. CompassRosy December 3rd, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    “As much as the mariners have been tied to catchers and DH’s you have to assume they either are considering moving Montero to 1B…..or are considering moving him all together”

    ~ ~ ~

    Not necessarily …
    I think they are just looking for offense where ever they can find it (they did carry 3 catchers last season). Here’s a little blurb Greg Johns got from Jack Z after the RS signed Napoli…

    http://tinyurl.com/cyj92vj

  227. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    The Reds or braves would probably both want Gardner if available….

  228. Triple Short of a Cycle December 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Shows you how much these announcers study up on the teams they cover. Saying Bennett is having a tremendous season for the Giants

  229. G. Love December 3rd, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    I’m sorry, but the Yankees don’t need to take a step back and reset the tax to be good and make money.

    And fans who don’t want to settle for mediocrity aren’t entitled. You’re not just a fan to watch the boys in uniform play catch 162 times a year. That’s pollyanna stuff. That’s not how sports works & it’s just buying into the spin & the narrative the owners want you to digest in case they do tank the team in the coming years.

    They can fix this team on the fly and stay competitive year in year out.

    And to be honest, I actually expect them to do that this off season. I don’t think they’re going to say, “let’s wait 5 years for the big bad contracts to expire and alienate fans and foster empty seats”. That won’t fly in NY. It may fly for a few people on a message board, but when actual revenue and interest comes into play it won’t work.

    The Yankees are about winning on the field and not in the boardroom. That’s the brand. That’s always been the brand. It’s not just the world series. It’s about putting a winning product on the field. If they weren’t they wouldn’t have signed Kuroda, Mo & Pettitte again. They would’ve went with Warren, Phelps and Montgomery.

    They’re going to do something soon and they will improve this roster.

  230. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    • austinmac December 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    JAP,
    I very much expect a trade of some of the top prospects for Cuddyer or someone else of who provides only a marginal upgrade. I do blame Cashman. If folks like us who do this for fun could see the approaching problems, someone getting paid $2M/yr. should have foreseen it.
    It is inexcusable.

    • G. Love December 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    J.AP,
    When you lay out all the moves since 2009, the evidence against Cashman and the front office is overwhelming. The front office has been in a collective slump for 3+ seasons now. The team has been able to cover for that, but with the age and injury, the cover is soon going to be gone.
    ///

    I missed these posts earlier today.

    I agree with both. Not sure why Cashman & Friends continue to get a pass; as GLove says, the evidence is overwhelming. A Cuddyer, who is what, 34?, for anyone named Heathcott or Williams or Sanchez, would be an abomination.
    ////

    Compass Rosy,

    Didn’t your boys move the CF fence in some 17 feet?

  231. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    “Not necessarily …
    I think they are just looking for offense where ever they can find it (they did carry 3 catchers last season). Here’s a little blurb Greg Johns got from Jack Z after the RS signed Napoli…”

    If the Sox had added Napoli for example….then when would Montero even play unless they moved him to 1B? Jaso ad Napoli would catch and whoever wasn’t catching would DH

  232. blake December 3rd, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    G Love,

    Hope you’re right….I think they are probably more engaged with Hamilton than the media knows about simply because he makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways…..there are the warts yes….but when you consider 1) he plays a position they need 2) he is made for YS and could hit 50 homers there 3) he was the 2nd best jersey seller last year behind Jeter 4) his value is down a bit from his poor finish to 2012.

    If they want to put butts in the seats and excite the fan base and really improve the offense then that’s the simplest way to do so

  233. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    GLove,

    I just hope their “improvements” don’t destroy the team’s future, because the future arrives in a hurry.

    AJax was the butt of jokes on some sites because of his K-rates; look at him now, taking the ball to right field against us, stealing bags on us, making great running over the shoulder grabs. That could be Mason Williams, eventually. Those types go in a deal, they had better get an in-prime stud.

  234. Triple Short of a Cycle December 3rd, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Holy Crap these refs are insane

  235. CompassRosy December 3rd, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    J. Al ~

    They are moving in the fences, but not 17 feet all around…

    http://tinyurl.com/c5ro2tq

  236. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    Thanks Rosy :)

  237. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    @danpfeiffer74 Nakajima? He played a decent 3B in Japan, he’ll be adequate at 3B/SS/2B. I like him better at 2B in the MLB than 3rd or SS.

  238. The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    What position is Mike Napoli playing in Boston? That’s a lot of money for a player who plays no position well and can’t DH (Ortiz).

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