Quick notes: Rodriguez, Napoli and Ruppert
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 03, 2012 
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A few quick notes and updates on what is already a busy day here in Nashville.
• Alex Rodriguez’s surgery will be on his left hip, not his previously repaired right hip. The expectaction is a three to six month recovery, which means an early-season return is pretty close to a best-case scenario. Mid-season seems more likely.
• Ken Rosenthal reports that Rodriguez’s pain was so severe in the postseason that he spent a night in the hospital. It’s worth noting that Rodriguez and Joe Girardi were asked many, many times about Rodriguez’s health in the postseason and they always said he was fine.
• Forget about adding offense by signing Mike Napoli. The Red Sox have signed Napoli to a three-year deal. Seems like he best fits as a first baseman in Boston.
• Former Yankees Jacob Ruppert has been elected to the Hall of Fame. He received all but one vote from the 16-member Pre-Integration Era Committee. Umpire Hank O’Day and catcher/third baseman Deacon White were also elected.
Real dumb for the Rangers not to give QO to Napoli.
I find the PR strategy surrounding this hip issue to be completely baffling. Just what were they trying to accomplish by keeping it under wraps throughout the playoffs and until today?
jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 11:40 am
Captain Clutch December 3rd, 2012 at 11:33 am
LOL…
Jon Heyman?@JonHeymanCBS
#redsox talking to swisher now. A possibility.
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Get ready for them to take Stephen Drew as well.
Cashman should reach out to Youkalis ….. Let him play third . .he can also play first …..
@JonHeymanCBS: Jason giambi wants to play. 3-4 teams showing interest
Yea I didn’t get that one
The Red are going to get ALL the catchers
Youkalis can’t play 3 B and I hate him
youk was breaking down just standing on 3b… I think keppinger and scutaro might be the sturdier options. I do like Youk’s bat though … when he is healthy.
Initially I thought that the Napoli signing was good for Boston… then I saw it was 3/39. Looks like they are “responsibly” spending all that money that LA bailed them out of.
between youkilis, chavez and arod we’d have about 102 games covered at 3b. bring back mcgehee and sign rollins and we might just make it…
@JonHeymanCBS: Agent joel wolfe says giancarlo feels “same” since unhappy tweet after trade. “It wasn’t a reaction, it’s a state of mind.”
Sounds like He wants out.
I like all the sox moves so far… short term for fair amt of money.
rolen not rollins…sorry
Cashmoney says:
December 3, 2012 at 11:45 am
I like all the sox moves so far… short term for fair amt of money.
I do too.
Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2012 at 11:40 am
I find the PR strategy surrounding this hip issue to be completely baffling. Just what were they trying to accomplish by keeping it under wraps throughout the playoffs and until today?
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I agree – absolutely baffling. It would have really altered the fan response to the situation and everyone would have been more understanding.
Reminds me of Girardi’s first year where he was absolutely terrible at dealing honestly with the media. I thought he learned (and the team learned) that dealing honestly makes a lot more sense at every level.
The reality is with the self imposed spending limit, the Yankees will not outbid anyone for a free agent. If someone else wants him, they will pay more money and for a longer time.
Drew and Scutaro will be wanted by others. The same for Victorino or other decent OF replacements.
Let’s see who was non-tendered. That is when the Yankees will get in the game.
Boston is better with Napoli than without. They have money now and in the future. They will spend more.
@BNightengale: The #Dbacks still would like to move Justin Upton for a shortstop, but talks with #Rangers at standstill,refusing to trade Profar or Andrus.
Cashmoney December 3rd, 2012 at 11:45 am
I like all the sox moves so far… short term for fair amt of money.
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I like Ross and Swisher could potentially be a good signing depending on amount. 3/39 for Napoli seems crazy to me. He’s going to be 31 and really had only 1 elite year. Plus, he’s awful defensively behind the plate.
they are definitely making Cashman look like a child in a man’s game.
Napoli for 3/39 is a steal. Shortish deal, middle of the pack money for this day and age.
Jerkface says:
December 3, 2012 at 11:49 am
Napoli for 3/39 is a steal. Shortish deal, middle of the pack money for this day and age.
And they didn’t have to give up a pick
It’s understandable to not make a player weakness public while he is still playing.
I don’t really care if it was public at all, I just want to know why it took until December to make a decision on surgery.
yeah, i can see a scenario with acquisitions of keepinger or scutaro that NY can made due til alex come back and dh. but the team we put out isn’t remotely close to a championship caliber one imo. If Ny aren’t all in on difference makers then they are better off rebuilding or Cashman and company should prepare for the possibilities of reversing course if things go awry.
Yankes are better off rebuilding imo for 13 and 14 with self imposed mandates.
I’m not surprised about Arod. He looked so incapable of hitting after he returned from getting plunked by Felix that at least we have an excuse. I’ll give him this much, he’s a gamer. He was playing hard with the torn labrum until the end. Outside of the stupid nonsense with the girls and his phone numbers, you can’t get mad at him for the drop off when it’s health related.
At this point, I have no idea where the Yankees go. I’d be a lot more confident if they weren’t holding to this budget plan but that’s set in stone. They want to re-set the luxury tax more than they want to win in my opinion. Winning will be nice for them, but getting out of luxury tax Hell is what they’ll really break open the Cristal for. That’s their championship now.
To get a 3b now, will be tough. Cashman has a built in excuse how other teams are going to want him to pay double for a 3b.
And we don’t just need a 3b. We need a full time DH, unless Jeter is going to be that and Nunez is now our SS.
This Arod news doesn’t only affect 1 position. The Yankees are going to have to be creative here.
I would actually consider Youkilis because I think he might only sign for a year, he can DH, he can play some 1b and play some days at 3b. Then you hope a kid like Adams can handle some 3b too.
But the fact is I thought we didn’t have a real middle of the order with Arod in it. Now? I think this team will be easier to pitch to than yesterday if the Yankees don’t come up with some kind of plan offensively to improve.
We have the pitching in place to contend. Our offense as constituted, is going to struggle a lot.
Moves are coming. I just hope they’re not moves based more on luxury tax resets than trying to win it all in the future.
If anyone ever had any thoughts of getting Headley or anyone else to play 3B, wouldn’t you think Cashman would have already jumped on a trade, before it became news worthy?
It looks like Cashman will just ask Chavez or Stephen Drew to play 3B until Alex gets back.
Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 11:49 am
Napoli for 3/39 is a steal. Shortish deal, middle of the pack money for this day and age.
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I like his bat behind the plate but will he be mostly at 1B? He can’t DH at all with Ortiz there… I just feel like he’s had 1 elite year with the rest being alright but not 3/39 caliber. But I guess the catching market is pretty bare…
“Just what were they trying to accomplish by keeping it under wraps throughout the playoffs and until today?”
Arod asked them to keep it quiet until he sealed the deal with that gal he spotted in the stands.
Yankee docs MRI’d the wrong hip. Mets like.
I guess 3/39 is a good move when you aren’t on a stupid self-imposed budget… we’ll see how it plays out but I’m starting to come around more on that deal for Napoli. Cherington is off to a good start.
Cash will pull out all the stops to bring back Betemit
“They want to re-set the luxury tax more than they want to win in my opinion”
At the moment it seems there is no question about this
I like his bat behind the plate but will he be mostly at 1B? He can’t DH at all with Ortiz there… I just feel like he’s had 1 elite year with the rest being alright but not 3/39 caliber. But I guess the catching market is pretty bare…
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He is an .800 OPS bat that can play 1b & Catcher, don’t see how 13 million is not in that range? ~.800 OPS outfielders like Damon & Matsui got 13 mil per year 8 years agos.
Napoli OPS’d .812 last year even with a crazy uncharacteristic .706 OPS against LHP. In his career his OPS vs LHP is .911.
He’s a really good hitter and his ability to catch part time is very valuable.
I thought Cherington had a terrible winter last year…..but ever since then he’s been killin it
He is an .800 OPS bat that can play 1b & Catcher, don’t see how 13 million is not in that range? ~.800 OPS outfielders like Damon & Matsui got 13 mil per year 8 years agos.
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You’re right… it seemed high to me but seems to be a pretty good deal breaking it down.
Moves are coming. I just hope they’re not moves based more on luxury tax resets than trying to win it all in the future.
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resets on luxury tax and win it all in the future aren’t mutually exclusive ideas to me. The executions and a plan is more of my concerns.
Bring back Charlie Hayes
@JonHeymanCBS: Giancarlo’s agent Joel Wolfe declined comment about whether @Giancarlo818 had requested a trade. Not happy tho.
Everybody for Giancarlo then sign Keppinger
When asked he had any clue that Napoli was close to a deal with the Red Sox heading into the winter meetings, Zduriencik said, “I had no idea. None at all.”
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austinmac – serious question. If the Yankees end up fielding really bad (results) teams for the next several years, are you still going to come here and follow them and post? Are you through with the Yankees if they don’t pursue what you consider to be active strategies to better the team and loosen the purse strings?
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As long as the same posters lament Sux moves year after year and decide they have done really good things, I know I can rest easy about the Sux.
Get back to me when they do something about their pitching.
The Marlins arent trading Stanton. He isn’t making enough to trade. He will be the last man standing in Miami and a very pissed off one at that.
So is Cashman going to offer a postition player a contract this off season? Did he even arrive at the winter meetings yet or is he too busy going down the side of a building? Now we know what Met’s fans feel like every off season.
@chrisduncan11: Ive had two hip surgeries. Very difficult too return from. Slowed my bat down quite a bit. Ny still owes Arod over 100mill wow!! Bad deal
Maybe he can try that workout he did last year where they stretch your big toe and stuff
ac1 says:
December 3, 2012 at 11:59 am
The Marlins arent trading Stanton. He isn’t making enough to trade. He will be the last man standing in Miami and a very pissed off one at that.
They should trade him…..he would bring a fortune nd they have no fans left for him to draw
LGY, I am confident that the Ms will be a contender within the next century.
Cashmoney says:
December 3, 2012 at 12:01 pm
LGY, I am confident that the Ms will be a contender within the next century.
I’m not really….that’s only 87 years to find some offense
They can’t even decide to rebuild this year if they wanted to, with Kuroda, Pettitte and Rivera back thinking they can win it all….
I’m surprised Alex still has friends in the locker room with what his contracts and the steroids has cost this team and will continue to cost this team for at least 5 more years.
The Yankees doctor did not MRI the wrong hip. Read. ARod felt pain in his right hip, they MRI’ed the right hip. Nothing was amiss. Left hip pain was felt AFTER the season.
They should trade him…..he would bring a fortune nd they have no fans left for him to draw
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Should but wont…
I still can’t believe the stupid Dodgers bailed the Red Sox out on that deal
Timing is good for working an old fashioned Block Buster and dealing CaNO Dive, and getting a 3B back in the package. Hal is probably in shock and therefore more apt to approve it. If A-Rod was in such severe pain back in Oct that he was in the hospital for a night, why oh why is it taking this long for him to have the surgery performed, and why oh why did Cashman Not already work a deal or sign a 3B? DUMB AND DUMBER
Tyler, before Cashman…
Our minor league system gave us Bernie, Jeter, Pettitte, Rivera, Posada in a 4-6 year span.
Stick Michael and Bob Watson were also able to trade for Tino, Paul O’Neill, Brosius
Not to mention giving us other quality guys who filled key roles: Ramiro Mendoza, Shane Spencer, Ricky Ledee, etc.
Has Cashman been able to produce ANYTHING like that in 14 years (He took over in 1998)?
So… are we still okay with losing Cano? Not that Arod and Cano are intrinsically linked but man this makes things so much worse..
Get creative with pitching (Cashman’s stealth mode)
Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1
During playoffs A-Rod felt hip issue, surgically repaired RIGHT hip was MRI-ed. No problem found. Turned out it is LEFT hip #Yankees
The Yankees are now down four or five(depending on Jeter)starting offensive players from the team that struggled down the stretch offensively. They won’t spend significant money nor do they have the chips to trade for a good upgrade.
There is very serious risk this team will look like 1965. It has seen so reminiscent for quite some time. AROD’s new injury recalls Mantle’s decline. No youth existed then as replacements and the ownership wouldn’t spend. Of course, then there was no free agency to spend on.
The current starters:
C-?
1B-Tex
2B-Cano
3B-?
SS-Jeter, we pray
LF-Gardner
CF-Granderson
RF-?
DH-?
mac, calm down, Cashman is still pursuing pitchers right now. we get to the hitters in april.
ac1 December 3rd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
They can’t even decide to rebuild this year if they wanted to, with Kuroda, Pettitte and Rivera back thinking they can win it all….
I’m surprised Alex still has friends in the locker room with what his contracts and the steroids has cost this team and will continue to cost this team for at least 5 more years.
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The guys in the room aren’t gonna hold his contract against him. Everything we’ve heard the last few years says Arod is a good teammate, especially when it comes to helping out younger players. If the Yanks are going to let it hold the team back and hurt them for the next 5 years that’s on them. They made the bed and what not. If anything, this might be good news if it pushes them to get Headley or Gordon or ANYBODY!!! We could really use anybody about now lol.
At this point, I’d settle for Rosie O’Donnell, I mean Doris Murphy, to play 3B
Cashmoney says:
December 3, 2012 at 12:09 pm
mac, calm down, Cashman is still pursuing pitchers right now. we get to the hitters
in aprilnever.Fixed
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The Cashman minor league improvements are more fantasy than reality. At this tiem of dire need, very little. Very little for many years. What are their, five key members from the farm on the team and many from before Cashman’s time.
The minor league system is always a couple years away from helping.
A-Rod being out makes trading Granderson and losing his 40 HRs much harder….
A healthy A-Rod could have covered some of that……
@JeffPassan: If A-Rod were a free agent today, some team might take a one-year, $3M flyer. The Yankees owe him $114M for next five years.
Dude…..we know already
The current starters:
C-?
1B-Tex
2B-Cano
3B-?
SS-Jeter, we pray
LF-Gardner
CF-Granderson
RF-?
DH-?
And, they raised ticket prices again
Some nerve right?
blake, my source tweets that Cashman is secretly working on a deal for koufax.
LGY December 3rd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1
During playoffs A-Rod felt hip issue, surgically repaired RIGHT hip was MRI-ed. No problem found. Turned out it is LEFT hip #Yankees
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I’ve been complaining about the medical staff for about two years now and I’m starting to think that’s the first place they cut the budget lol.
The Yankees new medical staff: http://www.moviediva.com/MD_ro.....ogeMen.jpg
ac1,
I thought that too about Granderson. They probably won’t want to lose another 20% of their homer total.
I think Cashman HAS THE ABILITY to build a team without the 200M, but because they already have the huge contracts on the payroll, he doesn’t have the flixibility to give it a shot. I still can’t see people being ok trading away 3-4 more potential star prospects to get Headley…. The whole reason we are here is because we trade our prospects away…..
In fairness, Cashman did the original A-Rod deal which was pretty good considering how much Texas contributed and how productive A-Rod was at the time.
Actually, I am awaiting the rumor that Cashman is going to trade mason Williams, Tyler Austin,a nd Gary Sanchez for Jamie Moyer.
cashman’s response?
“Can’t have enough veteran starting pitching”
paging Jayson Nix, paging Jayson Nix – do NOT get on that plane
Chambliss says:
December 3, 2012 at 12:14 pm
In fairness, Cashman did the original A-Rod deal which was pretty good considering how much Texas contributed and how productive A-Rod was at the time.
The Arod trade was the best deal cash has made….that deal was awesome.
In case people missed it, they didnt find the tear in the left hip until just a few weeks ago. Arod complained that something didnt feel right, they gave him the MRI and found the tear. The tear wasnt found in the playoffs.
I feel like the writers are joining Team Greedy in their plan to trade ALL the prospects… If they pop in I wish they’d stop lurking
Cashman recently seen at Yankee fantasy camp scouting for potential low-risk, high-reward IF signings
The Arod trade was the best deal cash has made….that deal was awesome.
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Yep and they should have let him go when he opted out. Cashman was right, of course Hank over ruled him.
AndrewMarchand Derek Jeter will be on the Michael Kay Show at 3:15
I am not a doctor, but I presume Alex was saying his left hip hurt. Why would he not know which hip was hurting and then, why examine the wrong one? Crazy.
This season may be dead. Let’s not kill the next five by trading minor leaguers for marginal replacements. Please.
Truthfully, with the cap, I don’t think Cashman has a chance to fill the holes that exist.
The tear wasnt found in the playoffs.
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That’s the issue.
Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN
A-Rod felt pain in right hip during playoffs, but MRI showed no damage. 2-3 weeks ago, he felt in left hip and MRI showed new labral tear.
Remember when the Yankees got the rights to that Japanese shortstop and didn’t make a competitive offer because he’d have nowhere to play….?
How do we end up with so many players that don’t have a position….
I don’t care what Cash said at the time about letting Arod go if he opts out. I don’t believe it for 1 second. Now I think Cash could have gotten him back at a less outrageous deal but I think he still would have been brought back
Hassey,
The fantasy camp players were too young.
Hassey December 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
At this point, I’d settle for Rosie O’Donnell, I mean Doris Murphy, to play 3B
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22!!! 22!!!!!!
The Mariners had “no idea” that the Red Sox were closing in on an agreement with Napoli, GM Jack Zduriencik tells Rob Bradford of WEEI.com.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#JSQSEkbgX5mMYkmg.99
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Hey look on the bright side – you could have this guy as your GM – - – -
Team full of supposedly the best doctors in the world and the best reason they can come up with waiting so long for the correct MRI is he didn’t feel the pain in his left hip until 2-3 weeks ago?
Come on now.
brianlopez22 December 3rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Tyler, before Cashman…
Our minor league system gave us Bernie, Jeter, Pettitte, Rivera, Posada in a 4-6 year span.
Stick Michael and Bob Watson were also able to trade for Tino, Paul O’Neill, Brosius
Not to mention giving us other quality guys who filled key roles: Ramiro Mendoza, Shane Spencer, Ricky Ledee, etc.
Has Cashman been able to produce ANYTHING like that in 14 years (He took over in 1998)?
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I was referring to the period after the Core 4 came up when they seemed to trade every prospect in the system. Cashman didn’t really have full control of the system until long after 1998. Gene Michael did a fantastic job in getting George to give the farm system a chance… Cashman saved it though from being one of the worst in baseball. It’s at least average-above average now.
CountryClub says:
December 3, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN
A-Rod felt pain in right hip during playoffs, but MRI showed no damage. 2-3 weeks ago, he felt in left hip and MRI showed new labral tear.
What’ll take the cake is if it comes out that he hurt the other hip doing something he shouldn’t have been doing this winter…..skiing, hoola dancing….Madonna ….etc
It’s going to be difficult to field a “best value” team under this new set of rules with so much money tied up from contracts signed under the last set of rules.
That guy has played Cashman like a fiddle over the last few years.
Made everyone believe we were getting Cliff Lee only to use the Yankees offer as bait to Texas.
And then trading two dead arms for the Ynaks best prospect.
Hey, they could have our guy as their GM…
Arod couldn’t tell which hip was hurting?
AROD goes to the emergency room with severe pain, and they are confused as to which hip. Good thing they weren’t amputating.
Team full of supposedly the best doctors in the world and the best reason they can come up with waiting so long for the correct MRI is he didn’t feel the pain in his left hip until 2-3 weeks ago?
Come on now.
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None of us have the full story yet; it’ll come out over the next few days. But you realize he could have easily hurt the left hip during his winter workouts, right?
Centaurs have a hard time telling which hip is which…your right or my right?
Not that i blame our issues on Cashman solely, but i would be interested in what a GM like Andrew Friedman could do with the situation we are in right now…
so Arod has come clean how many years ago and how many time has he been hurt since then…just asking
AROD goes to the emergency room with severe pain, and they are confused as to which hip. Good thing they weren’t amputating
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This post makes me kind of want to watch the Beguiled again – - – -or Misery – - – -
Maybe Arod hurt his other hip playing Centaur games (like reindeer games without the reindeer).
ac1 December 3rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Not that i blame our issues on Cashman solely, but i would be interested in what a GM like Andrew Friedman could do with the situation we are in right now…
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It would be interesting. Along those lines, I always wondered what Billy Beane would do with the potential for an actual payroll. I put Cashman pretty much middle of the pack as a GM. He’s got his very good points and very bad points.
and someone will tell me he only di it in Tex which is a crock
I thought we were blaming AROD’s playoff performance on his hip. Now, his left hip didn’t hurt then. Since the playoffs, the problem systeriously showed up in his left hip and his right hip is fine. Something is not accurate.
When you consider ALL the days off, and DH days A-Rod was given the last 2 months of the season, it’s obvious that Girardi\Yanks knew A-Rod was Not physically sound. To have Not acquired a legitimate back-up 3B at this point After the fact is inexcusable. Cashman shoulda pulled the trigger on getting a 3B, Before being forced to fill this hole while situated behind the 8 Ball. Cashman is incapable of thinking on his feet. He’s probably the type that Before making a decision, Must compile a list of +’s and -’s onna sheet of paper. While Girardi Must rely onna 3 Ring Binder to make his decisions over the course of the season. Both Cashman and Girardi simply can Not make a decision while under fire. This lack of self confidence is why the Yankees currently have several holes in their everyday lineup, and basically have been caught with their pants down. INEXCUSABLE
J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Actually, I’d argue that Hank/Levine have done more damage than Cashman. In my opinion, Cashman has done a pretty good job keeping the ship afloat for this long with smaller signings. I know you hate the Montero/Pineda trade but I think the Yanks brass above Cashman has done worse than he has toward the future..
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Tyler,
I can’t congratulate him for “keeping afloat” what he compromised in the first place. We’re “afloat” with having had misleading success, (before we get exposed, now, two years running in the postseason) rather than being the powerhouse we should have/could have been coming off that 2009 Championship.
It seems to me, there were moves made since that time that not only weakened the team, but hobbled it in areas that were previously strengths and could have continued to be so.
They should have stayed the course with Chamberlain and kept Cabrera, for starters. They should have signed Holliday, to mitigate future decline in the lineup. They might have kept Austin Jackson, and in no way should they have traded away their one legit hitting prospect for an arm. Those moves behind them, they had another chance to upgrade the lineup and to get a good young bat with Cespedes on the market. They whiffed. All of these moves, or lack of moves, have been the wrong ones, IMO, and have brought the team to this point, where they are probably now looking at wasting a Sanchez and Williams plus for something they had. Cashman has allowed the lineup to get old; that neglect was dramatically on display this season and thrown into greater relief in the postseason.
How can he be doing a pretty good job?
They really need to do something like sign Josh Hamilton, because “smaller signings” are going to have a small impact on the lineup. Either that, or they’ll have to sacrifice the future for the present. If that’s the reality, they’d better be getting back guys who are young and good. If you’re going to blow it up, then you need to make a big splash. Upton type move – not a Cuddyer type.
Triple Short of a Cycle December 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
I don’t care what Cash said at the time about letting Arod go if he opts out. I don’t believe it for 1 second. Now I think Cash could have gotten him back at a less outrageous deal but I think he still would have been brought back
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He was coming off of a huge year… I would have been more than fine with simply bringing him back. But at least make him pay for opting out. Don’t go even longer and bigger with the contract.
Tyler,
Cashman has been the GM from 98 – Now.
Trading the farm was the 80′s – ’92 GMs MO.
But Stick and Watson build a winning formula.
Our farm cannot even fill one of our needs right now.
Not one.
AAA is a revolving hospital bed.
A and AA has some nice prospects but none of them are major league ready.
Every year we hear about someone who is close.
Remember 2 years ago, when we were all talking about catching depth being 2 years away?
Montero, Romine, and Sanchez?
We trade away Montero only to realize that all we have are Chris Stewart and Cervelli.
Remember the Killer B’s?
One is out of baseball, the other can’t throw strikes, and the third joins the long list of injured pitchers in our system.
Above average is a very generous statement.
Triple Short of a Cycle December 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
I don’t care what Cash said at the time about letting Arod go if he opts out. I don’t believe it for 1 second. Now I think Cash could have gotten him back at a less outrageous deal but I think he still would have been brought back
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People can tell themselves whatever they want in order to hate Cashman, but that is just making stuff up. Cashman said if he opted out he was gone. He opted out. No communication from Cashman. Arod then went over Boras’ head and over Cashman’s head, got some representation from some Goldman Sachs guy or whoever, who went straight to the Yankee brass. This was a deal done with 50 year old scotch and cuban cigars.
“A-Rod felt pain in right hip during playoffs, but MRI showed no damage. 2-3 weeks ago, he felt in left hip and MRI showed new labral tear.”
It appears to me that the medical team acted appropriately, hmmm? After all, if someone complains of pain in the left hip and an MRI is perfomed on the left hip, that is entirely reasonable. It would make little sense to perform an MRI on the right hip.
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JAP-
Can’t really argue with what you said. I’m not a Cashman fan. I just always feel like there are other factors that hold him back which aren’t present in a lot of other clubs. Put it this way, I have more faith in Cashman than Levine/Hal/Hank etc.
One way to boost attendance & not increase payroll would be to not sign players & allow fans in attendance the chance to be in a lottery to be a Yankee for a day. 3b, C, DH and RF could be a lot of fun with soccer Mom’s and 6 year olds holding down the positions for a day.
the roids have caught up to Arod
JAP that hindsight is exactly that. If they got Holliday they wouldnt have gotten Tex and they would still be sattled with ARod.
People complain about having no farm system and then say we should trade any 4 guys for a Headley or something else. You cannot have it both ways. You either stick with the prospects of stop complaining when we have no farm system….
A-Rod’s extension coulda been a deal done with something going on “under” the table. You get Wall St involved and it aint Just a baseball deal. Don’t kid yourself.
jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Arod couldn’t tell which hip was hurting?
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Lol, I have a hard time understanding this as well..
Hell, when women are ovulating you can tell which ovary your egg is coming from that month. (Just and FYI, it changes sides every month. Aren’t you guys glad women frequent the blog?)
People can tell themselves whatever they want in order to hate Cashman, but that is just making stuff up. Cashman said if he opted out he was gone. He opted out. No communication from Cashman
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Because GM’s never lie right?
brian-
I think above average is pretty accurate but that’s just my opinion. They’ve gotten some good players back in trades using the system and produced some guys that have done nice jobs. Is it elite? No, not close. But it’s done a lot better of a job than a good chunk of teams out there. Who has the vaunted Sox system produced? Even less than the Yanks.
Hell, when women are ovulating you can tell which ovary your egg is coming from that month. (Just and FYI, it changes sides every month. Aren’t you guys glad women frequent the blog?)
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The stuff I learn from you on this blog never ceases to amaze me.
ac1 –
I agree 100%.
Headley for what we have in A/AA is not the answer.
If other clubs can promote from AA, why can’t we.
Let’s see what we have before we throw it away.
The FA market is a joke and this team has a lot of holes.
Let’s trade Granderson and play like the Pirates, but lower ticket prices as we all know we’ll just end up in last place.
J.AP,
When you lay out all the moves since 2009, the evidence against Cashman and the front office is overwhelming. The front office has been in a collective slump for 3+ seasons now. The team has been able to cover for that, but with the age and injury, the cover is soon going to be gone.
Who has the vaunted Sox system produced
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A Sanchez,H Ramirez,Lester,Youkolis,Papelbon,Pedroia,Ellsbury,Buckholtz
JAP,
I very much expect a trade of some of the top prospects for Cuddyer or someone else of who provides only a marginal upgrade. I do blame Cashman. If folks like us who do this for fun could see the approaching problems, someone getting paid $2M/yr. should have foreseen it.
It is inexcusable.
When the Yankees are finally rebuilt into a younger, hungry, contact hitting team with some pitching, fundamentals, speed and defense (and I believe that we are not far from that day), it’s going to be like the annual Spring Day where you put the screen back on your screen door and file the window back in your basement. Stare out the door and breathe the fresh air, my friends. I’d love nothing more than to look back in 10 years and marvel at how smart Cashman proved to be. I’m gonna go nuts when we finally have that kind of team again. Youse guys will never get rid of me then
“Who has the vaunted Sox system produced? Even less than the Yanks.”
Pedroia, Ellsbury, Youkalis, Lester, Middlebrooks, Bucholtz
@Joelsherman1: Some quick thoughts http://t.co/YAQJL5GB on what #Yankees can do to fill in for A-Rod, don’t forget name Hiroyuki Nakajima
G. Love December 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
One way to boost attendance & not increase payroll would be to not sign players & allow fans in attendance the chance to be in a lottery to be a Yankee for a day. 3b, C, DH and RF could be a lot of fun with soccer Mom’s and 6 year olds holding down the positions for a day.
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My nephew was all excited about going to a Yankee game until he found out he wouldnt be allowed to play on the field… hmmmmm… I think you’re onto something GLove.
Patrick cool. I am taking comp sci courses right now. Mostly I program in Python and Ruby but just finised my C++/Java 1&2 courses. I’ve been studying unix socket programming, but it’s mostly C. I’m actually really enjoying it.
Oh and Middlebrooks
Let’s trade Granderson and play like the Pirates, but lower ticket prices as we all know we’ll just end up in last place.
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I dont believe even if we fill holes with Musteilers and Adams and Mesas that we would be in last place. I believe we have enough on our team to compete and win, particularly with the pitching…..
Triple Short of a Cycle December 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Who has the vaunted Sox system produced
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A Sanchez,H Ramirez,Lester,Youkolis,Papelbon,Pedroia,Ellsbury,Buckholtz
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For Sanchez and Hanley, they got back Lowell and Beckett. Those guys were great for 1 World Series win but that trade is a push at best.
Tyler December 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Hell, when women are ovulating you can tell which ovary your egg is coming from that month. (Just and FYI, it changes sides every month. Aren’t you guys glad women frequent the blog?)
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The stuff I learn from you on this blog never ceases to amaze me.
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Yep.. a wealth of useless knowledge on here but it’s 100% true and women can totally tell if they pay attention to it. With a professional athlete, you’d have to think they’re more in-tune with their bodies than the every day Joe Sixpack /2008′d
Feinstein just said on the radio that the right hip was bothering him in the playoffs and the tested it and it was clean and that the left hip thing just started 2-3 weeks ago. So how did he hurt the left one? Was it already there and just worsens recently? Some inconsistencies here…..
Hassey – where do I sign up for this? Unfortunately Cashman is NOT getting younger and is NOT developing players in the farm (see Ajax and Montero)
However, if he does decide to rebuild, I would like my season tickets to be slashed in half, since they are punting on a few regular seasons.
from MLBTR:
Given the weak third base market, Jon Morosi of FOX Sports thinks the Padres may be motivated to sell high on Chase Headley and send him to the Yankees
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I wouldn’t buy too high on Headley. Going from 4 to 31 HR in a season (and a previous high of 12) would make me worry that there is something fishy here…
Triple Short of a Cycle December 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
People can tell themselves whatever they want in order to hate Cashman, but that is just making stuff up. Cashman said if he opted out he was gone. He opted out. No communication from Cashman
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Because GM’s never lie right?
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What was there to lie about? Why do you think Arod got so unhappy with the situation that he went above Scott Boras’ head and Cashman? Because that’s what he had to do to get a deal done. Because it wasn’t happening with Boras and Cashman.
blake December 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
“Who has the vaunted Sox system produced? Even less than the Yanks.”
Pedroia, Ellsbury, Youkalis, Lester, Middlebrooks, Bucholtz
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Fine. Youkilis is still ugly.
Either Cashman developed good farm players or Ajax and Montero aren’t all that good, can’t have it both ways.
With A-Rod’s pain and night in the hospital, there is NO EXCUSE for Not having acquired a 3B by now. That is plain DUMB.
“Fine. Youkilis is still ugly.”
This is true now.
blake December 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
@Joelsherman1: Some quick thoughts http://t.co/YAQJL5GB on what #Yankees can do to fill in for A-Rod, don’t forget name Hiroyuki Nakajima
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Maybe we’ll get him after all!!!
Shame,
I knew you, above all, would see the logic in my plan. It’d be fun, especially if random celebs like Billy Crystal & Jack Nicholson and Tracy Morgan got plucked from the stands be the middle of the order.
Billy can do his Mantle impression at homeplate, Tracy can show his stomach to the stadium on the jumbo-tron & Jack can just raise his eyebrows and look bemused at every umpires call. That’s a team I can get behind.
The Sox system has produced some good player. Pedroia and Palpelbom (sp?) being the most consistent (and Youk for a few years too, I guess). But Lester and Bucholtz have been extremely inconsistent (and injured). Ellsbury has had 1 truly good yr (he’s also been hurt more than he’s played.
Don’t look at those guys with rose colored glasses. If they were on the Yanks certain fans would be crushing them.
For Sanchez and Hanley, they got back Lowell and Beckett. Those guys were great for 1 World Series win but that trade is a push at best.
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You asked who their farm system produced not who they traded for.
Theo also beat the Yanks to bolstering the farm system. The Sox system had a head start which was a great strategy and helped them win the ’07 Series.
ac1 December 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
JAP that hindsight is exactly that. If they got Holliday they wouldnt have gotten Tex and they would still be sattled with ARod.
People complain about having no farm system and then say we should trade any 4 guys for a Headley or something else. You cannot have it both ways. You either stick with the prospects of stop complaining when we have no farm system….
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I have to bolt but this is a little ironic, since I’m the last person who wants to compromise the farm. I didn’t want it “both ways”… but would I have preferred Holliday to Gardner in left? Yes, because Holliday is a difference maker, and he was young and a FA.
I wanted them to keep their young players: Cabrera, AJax, Montero. I wanted Chamberlain to be given a real shot at being our “No. 2″, not a token one, nor a kangeroo court ST “competition” that everyone knew was BS.
I have repeatedly said here and elsewhere that the Yankees’ patience with their young players is the great pitfall: no patience with Joba, no patience with AJax and his K-rates, no patience with Montero’s catching, etc.
Have a good afternoon, folks.
Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Tyler December 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Hell, when women are ovulating you can tell which ovary your egg is coming from that month. (Just and FYI, it changes sides every month. Aren’t you guys glad women frequent the blog?)
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The stuff I learn from you on this blog never ceases to amaze me.
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Yep.. a wealth of useless knowledge on here but it’s 100% true and women can totally tell if they pay attention to it. With a professional athlete, you’d have to think they’re more in-tune with their bodies than the every day Joe Sixpack /2008?d
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You don’t have to be a pro athlete. Occassionally I have a twinge in my right hip. I know it’s my right hip. It’s my right hip every time, not my left hip. I don’t know how they could have gotten this wrong and not get it right until two months later.
Feinstein just said on the radio that the right hip was bothering him in the playoffs and the tested it and it was clean and that the left hip thing just started 2-3 weeks ago. So how did he hurt the left one? Was it already there and just worsens recently? Some inconsistencies here…..
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He tweeted this a few hours ago. He seems to be the only one that has this version of the story. If I had to guess, Arod hurt it working out over the winter.
*lack of patience.
Later
Triple Short of a Cycle December 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
For Sanchez and Hanley, they got back Lowell and Beckett. Those guys were great for 1 World Series win but that trade is a push at best.
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You asked who their farm system produced not who they traded for.
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True but the player helping the actual team not simply through being a trade chip. Montero and Jackson whom everyone love would be “Yanks property” too through that.
Thing is that Cash’s modus operandi is to not stick with the farm system. Everyone who was close got traded away. Let’s hope Cash sticks with the farm now, and doesn’t trade away our elite prospects who are knocking on AA for a quick fix.
JAP i was making two points. First was for you then the second was for the others about the prosopects thats why i separated them.
True but the player helping the actual team not simply through being a trade chip. Montero and Jackson whom everyone love would be “Yanks property” too through that.
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I wouldn’t call Montero a “success” yet. Furthermore Cash traded those 2 guys. Theo wasn’t there when Hram and Sanchez were traded and Theo said he wouldn’t have traded them
got traded away *or doesn’t get a shot because we always go with the wily old vets…
Based on the lies of A-Rod, Girardi, and Cashman during the playoffs concerning A-Rod being healthy, you really can NOT believe anything they say regarding the right hip vs left hip pain. They are All fulla horse shirt.
David Phelps for Choo?
Very enticing…
Triple Short of a Cycle December 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
True but the player helping the actual team not simply through being a trade chip. Montero and Jackson whom everyone love would be “Yanks property” too through that.
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I wouldn’t call Montero a “success” yet. Furthermore Cash traded those 2 guys. Theo wasn’t there when Hram and Sanchez were traded and Theo said he wouldn’t have traded them
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I wouldn’t call him a “success” yet either. Was the Hanley trade during that brief spell where Theo was gone?
He felt pain in his right hip during the season. Checked it out. Nothing amiss.
AFTER the season he feels pain in the other hip. Checked it out. Torn labrum
Two completely different things. He did not feel the pain in the left until AFTER the season.
At least that’s how I read it.
Was the Hanley trade during that brief spell where Theo was gone?
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I once thought I was ovulating, but it was just a jellybean that my kid hid in my jeans front pocket
@FakePeteGammons: No truth to rumor Alex Rodriguez tore the other side of his hip dry humping a large pile of the #Yankees cash. This is Peter Gammons.
Hanley was definitely a top 10 player in baseball for a few years there. Not sure how he fell off so quickly in what should have been the prime of his career.
yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Thing is that Cash’s modus operandi is to not stick with the farm system. Everyone who was close got traded away. Let’s hope Cash sticks with the farm now, and doesn’t trade away our elite prospects who are knocking on AA for a quick fix.
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Upton and Santana would be good fixes.
I believe Choo is 1 season short of free agency. I would NOT trade Phelps for 1 season of Choo.
GLove – Did you see the petition Cowboys fans submitted to Obama to remove Jerry Jones from his position as President and GM? I know the people around here think we’re bad with how much we bellyache but they don’t realize how much we get punished in the off season by our other teams..
Doreen December 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
He felt pain in his right hip during the season. Checked it out. Nothing amiss.
AFTER the season he feels pain in the other hip. Checked it out. Torn labrum
Two completely different things. He did not feel the pain in the left until AFTER the season.
At least that’s how I read it.
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Doesn’t make any sense. How could he have felt pain in his right hip to the point where he had to spend the night in a hospital during the playoffs, then the mri of the right hip was clean?
blake – hysterical. But find it hard NOT to believe.
Shame,
I did see it. The only saving grace this off season for me has been the Knicks are still fun to watch and have a good team.
Being a Cowboys fan is like being a Jets fan right now. You watch the games waiting for Romo to give the ball back to the opposing team in the 4th quarter in some spectacular way we’ve never before witnessed.
“Doesn’t make any sense. How could he have felt pain in his right hip to the point where he had to spend the night in a hospital during the playoffs, then the mri of the right hip was clean?”
Something doesn’t add up for sure
@JonHeymanCBS: #angels, understanding price will be too rich for greinke, are looking at anibal and lohse.
Why don’t the Dodgers just sign him and get it over with
Yea, if the pain was intense enough to get A-Rod to go to the hospital, something shoulda shown up. Even if it was just arthritis.
DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Based on the lies of A-Rod, Girardi, and Cashman during the playoffs concerning A-Rod being healthy, you really can NOT believe anything they say regarding the right hip vs left hip pain. They are All fulla horse shirt.
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You know what this place needs, Donny? A lie-teller list! Get on it buddy!
The Rams are 5-6-1. I haven’t been this excited for football in like 5 years. And they aren’t even .500
If he was in so much pain that he had to be kept overnight at the hospital…. I’d put him through a full body scan lol.
To be in that much pain and get a clean bill of health does sound a little funny, but I’m just a blog poster not a doctor….. man, the ONE time Dr. Leonard McCoy would be useful..
“Upton and Santana would be good fixes.”
Yes, if we don’t overpay for them. We need to go young if we are using the farm for the mlb roster. Again though, I can’t see the Indians moving Santana with that cost-controlled contract, unless they have soured on his catching.
Tyler December 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
The Rams are 5-6-1. I haven’t been this excited for football in like 5 years. And they aren’t even .500
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All my cousins and uncles are Rams fans.. they’re satisfied but still a little sick that the Rams didn’t just take Luck while they had the chance, despite not hating their new, young QB.
Zentaursutra- the Rod way: Published by Random Random and coming to bedrooms near you.
Shame-
The Rams didn’t have a chance at Luck since they picked 2nd. They could have taken RG3 though. I still think Bradford can be top 5 QB in the league with a better supporting cast but RG3 is special. Without the Blues, I’ve become more invested in football since we don’t have a basketball team there. The Rams and UNLV basketball is all I’ve got right now!
ac1 December 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
JAP i was making two points. First was for you then the second was for the others about the prosopects thats why i separated them.
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ac1,
my apologies. I am trying to get out of here, perhaps I read it too fast. Have a good afternoon.
How does a guy of Arods stature spend a night in the hospital and nobody finds out till now ???
During the first round of the playoffs, Rodriguez was experiencing discomfort in the hip area, but an MRI was performed on the right hip, where he had the surgery. It was not until recently that his surgeon, Dr. Mark Philippon in Colorado, and a second surgeon confirmed the tear in the left hip. Phillipon is not expected to do the surgery this time.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....rQBdL9r0UM
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....son-19809/
To assist in getting through this week and the rest of the winter.
“As fans, we love to come up with trade proposals to help our team. That’s great, but 99.999999999% of the time, the trade proposed is unrealistic. This might be for a number of reasons, both obvious and non-obvious. Fans overvaluing their team’s prospects is the main reason for ridiculous trade proposals, but there are plenty of others.”
I still don’t know how he could not tell which hip it was. Or maybe he just said “hip area” and the doctors assumed right hip where he had the previous surgery?
Anyway it should not have taken two months to discover the problem.
@jonmorosi: #Yankees can’t afford to wait on A-Rod. It’s time to get realistic and trade for Chase Headley. My column: http://t.co/F6CIn99q @MLBONFOX
i like headley but i he had a good year and the others nothing special.
Not completely sold on Headley .
the market is out of control with some of these salaries and more so some of the players demands… If the Dodgers give Greinke what they are saying, they deserve not to win…
Blake-
I heard that location might be more important to Greinke. Otherwise the Dodgers are ready to make him one of the top paid starters in the game.
On AR0D or AROID good luck with your surgery. If that hip joint is affected by osteoarthritis, based on Dr. Philippon’s earlier publications your days playing major league baseball might be over.
the market is out of control with some of these salaries and more so some of the players demands… If the Dodgers give Greinke what they are saying, they deserve not to win…
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Many have probably felt this same way about how the Yankees “used” to conduct their business.
Shame,
“Bones” McCoy doesn’t work on soft tissue injuries.
i like headley but i he had a good year and the others nothing special.
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He plays in petco, look at his road numbers the last 3 years. He has quietly become a very good player. He can hit for avg and get on base with a great walk rate and his power is developing. He is a top tier 3rd baseman
Headley only has 2 years of control and hit more homeruns in 2012 than the previous 3 years combined. And it is said the Padres’ demands are almost as high as Upton. I think Headley is not a good option unless it takes much less than speculated to get him.
Even if the Padres would make switch hitting Headley available the chips necessary to get him would likely mean nothing left to acquire a right handed young corner outfielder like Justin Upton.
Many have probably felt this same way about how the Yankees “used” to conduct their business.
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i agree but they tend to give the money to the superstars…..Greinke is a 3rd starter on the angels and dodgers…
still i stand by spending to win, and accept the fault if it doesnt work…
not sold on headley at all… hate to acquire a player at noontide of his value.
He plays in petco, look at his road numbers the last 3 years. He has quietly become a very good player. He can hit for avg and get on base with a great walk rate and his power is developing. He is a top tier 3rd baseman
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switching teams will have a struggle curse (especially switching leagues)
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Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
i like headley but i he had a good year and the others nothing special.
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He plays in petco, look at his road numbers the last 3 years. He has quietly become a very good player. He can hit for avg and get on base with a great walk rate and his power is developing. He is a top tier 3rd baseman
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His power didn’t really “develop”. He had little power, he hit 4 homeruns in 2011, then 31 in 2012. That’s not development, that’s weird. Home/road splits don’t matter when you hit 4 homeruns in 2011, even if all 4 were on the road. More important than that, only 2 years of control left, and they won’t be cheap years (MLBTR estimates 8.3 mil for 2013).
What is up fellas!
Im now ever more mad at Alex getting that girls number during that playoff game. Talk about long lasting effect. The next time I hear the words put your hips into it, it will be chalk board scratching in my head.
Not sure if anyone asked this already. Isnt it strange that this would come out the day of the winter meetings? Doesnt it make it seem like Cashman would have less leverage in negotiations now that the cat is out of the bag? Why not wait till next week to announce it. They kept the body/cavity scan hush, why not this?
I am not sold on Headley but the potential pieces coming to fill OF are plentiful in the minors:
Heathcott, Mason Williams, Flores, Tyler Austin, Melky Mesa
But IF are a lacking: Adamas, Bichette Jr.
If we can acquire a good bat at SS/3B, that is more of a pressing need than RF, for the future at least.
Not all is lost. Insurance money can be recovered if ARod misses a season. Not a bad thought at this point…