Rodriguez needs hip surgery; will miss part of 2013
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 03, 2012 
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Well, we all thought news might pick up when the Winter Meetings started…
Early this morning, the New York Post reported that Alex Rodriguez recently visited Dr. Marc Phillippon to have his hip examined. Now Joel Sherman has followed that story by reporting that Rodriguez will have surgery and miss part of the 2013 season.
Despite Rodriguez repeatedly saying he was healthy — and he was asked often — Sherman reports that Rodriguez was playing with a tear at the end of last season. The injury might account for the significant dip in his offensive numbers. If so, the surgery could be a blessing for the Yankees, who now have an explanation for Rodriguez’s struggles and might have a reasonable expectation that he can become a power hitter again.
That said, it’s surgery. And it’s missed time. And it’s a sensitive part of the roster to begin with. Now the Yankees will have both Derek Jeter and Rodriguez coming back from surgery when spring training opens in February. The team’s need for additional infield depth is now an absolute must.
@mikeaxisa: Choo, Asdrubal, and Santana for all the prospects.
@jonmorosi: Free agent class thin at 3B (and SS), which gives #Padres all the more reason to sell high on Headley and trade him to #Yankees.
First question: if this was a problem for him during the season, why wait two months before seeing a doctor? Would miss vacation time? Doesn’t make sense.
Ugh, I’m not surprised. With the O drop off, it was clear that Alex was hurt. I said it last post season. Again, why did we trade for pitching when we should have known Alex’s health would be a big question mark… That O was always a big concern. Let’s just hope the surgery helps, but double “ugh!”
Why is this just coming out now? Yanks didn’t want to let other teams know because of leverage?
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That’s my thinking. It’s amazing they kept it quiet this long.
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Don’t overpay for short term fixes. Go young, sell off older players, retool.
I don’t see how the Yankees benefited from keeping the hip injury quiet. Leverage for what? They haven’t done anything with the offense.
Was this the reason the Yankees have waited on the offense? In other words, they wanted to see their IF needs crystalized.
Why didn’t they tell us this during the playoffs instead of making Arod just look incapable? Why keep it a secret?
I think that this team finally realized before this that they can’t rely on A-Rod to be a consistent middle of the order presence anymore. I don’t know much about his defense at 3B but I’d really like to see Adams get at least a share of the starts out there. Either that or just use him to get something back in a trade. I’d rather give him a shot than get a guy like Drew at this point.
It’s a miracle that he spent the night in a hospital (during the playoffs mind you) and nobody leaked the story at that time. You’d think a dr or nurse or janitor would have talked. Amazing.
Cash’s vision looks pretty unprogressive. Did he even have a plan? Right I know; he wanted us to be the Rays. How do the Yankees rely on a guy with a bum hip to be in the middle of their order in the first place?
I don’t see how the Yankees benefited from keeping the hip injury quiet. Leverage for what? They haven’t done anything with the offense.
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Spot on.
Now that all the teams know about Alex, prices will go up more.
True, just let Alex be the goat with no mention of the hip problem. It was clear that he was injured. I waited for it to come out that he was indeed hurt, but Yanks claimed Alex was 100% healthy. SMH.
I don’t see how the Yankees benefited from keeping the hip injury quiet.
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Since the news ultimately broke, they didnt benefit at all. But now teams/agents KNOW they have a real need. It’ll make filling that need harder/more expensive.
Well, that really does put into perspective Alex’s hitting struggles. He’s had problems rotating the hips for a while now, and this just really ices it, doesn’t it.
What happened to all the assurances here from people who told us Alex isn’t aging, Alex is healthy, Alex is still a mid-order threat, the lineup is aces, etc., and that Cashman was oh so clever to deal away a young high upside hitter for a “No. 2/ “co-ace” because it was the lineup that was/would be timelessly effective, but the pitching that needed to be urgently addressed?
Great job, Yanks. Now we have to blow the farm away for the bats we cavalierly cast away because of an unwarranted arrogance that the lineup would be “fine,” despite Jorge’s retirement, Montero’s dispatch, sniffing at a Melky encore, or a signing of an Cespedes, choosing Gardner over Holliday for LF (which now seems like an ancient regret and missed opportunity, but would have positively impacted the lineup the last two postseasons)….
So long, Gary Sanchez…etc.
I also don’t understand keeping this quiet. I don’t think the Yanks had a whole lot of leverage either way because teams knew they needed help if 2012 playoff A-Rod was what they would be stuck with long-term. I understand A-Rod keeping quiet and not using it as an excuse… Yankees brass not so much. He really got scape-goated here it seems.
@Buster_ESPN: The Diamondbacks are said to be one of the most aggressive teams here so far… Execs with other teams have thought they will trade J.Upton.
We had better not waste the farm for a marginal player. We should have signed Melky, and should go after Hamilton. I doubt we let Adams play. He is adequate on D, but doesn’t have much range.
It will be interesting to see how Cash, or if Cash, solves this myriad of problems.
When it rains, it pours!
“Great job, Yanks. Now we have to blow the farm away for the bats we cavalierly cast away because of an unwarranted arrogance that the lineup would be “fine,” despite Jorge’s retirement, Montero’s dispatch, sniffing at a Melky encore, or a signing of an Cespedes, choosing Gardner over Holliday for LF (which now seems like an ancient regret and missed opportunity, but would have positively impacted the lineup the last two postseasons)….”
Or option B….just not be very good for awhile
The season’s been over for a couple months and now we find this out. Why didn’t he do this sooner? This is quite a pickle the Yanks find themselves in now. Two months of lost time is significant now for the Yanks and Arod.
@mlbtraderumors: Red Sox Close To Deal With Mike Napoli http://t.co/UGAjNjBW #mlb
blake, I doubt they go with option B. Should have signed the Melkman and sign Hamilton if you wanted to be good now. Get ready to say goodbye to the farm.
@Joelsherman1: Can add new A-Rod info. The injury is the LEFT hip, not the previously operated upon right 1. Same injury: Torn labrum (cont) #Yankees
Oh good…. It’s both hips
@Joelsherman1: Surgery will be done early in new year, recuperation time is 3-6 months. #Yankees hope A-Rod is back in June as a full player
Splendid
Why on earth didn’t he have the follow up surgery when he was originally supposed to? Wasn’t that the original plan? One could hope that surgery could improve his performance, but I have little faith that he will ever be back to contribute anything but an average 3B
I doubt we let Adams play. He is adequate on D, but doesn’t have much range.
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I don’t think Adams will be the main guy either but they don’t exactly have a Gold Glove replacement unless they give something significant up. Chavez didn’t exactly have great range anymore either. It doesn’t seem Yankee-like though to give him the keys to the position right away.
@Joelsherman1: During playoffs A-Rod felt hip issue, surgically repaired RIGHT hip was MRI-ed. No problem found. Turned out it is LEFT hip #Yankees
Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1
Surgery will be done early in new year, recuperation time is 3-6 months. #Yankees hope A-Rod is back in June as a full player
Torn labrum in the left hip?
yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2012 at 10:31 am
… Again, why did we trade for pitching when we should have known Alex’s health would be a big question mark… That O was always a big concern….
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Because…the offense is “fine”….because….”pitching wins”…..b-b-b-b-because…..well, just because!
PacoDooley says:
December 3, 2012 at 10:46 am
Why on earth didn’t he have the follow up surgery when he was originally supposed to? Wasn’t that the original plan? One could hope that surgery could improve his performance, but I have little faith that he will ever be back to contribute anything but an average 3B
It’s the other hip now
yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2012 at 10:46 am
Torn labrum in the left hip?
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Poor Alex. This could be the end of the line for him.
Its hard to say what Alex will be from here on with two seriously injuried hips
Well that LEFT hip news is pretty awful. I hoped that one more surgery could correct this and maybe by Alex 2 more productive years. Both hips being bothersome is terrible, not to mention that he seems to be breaking down all over. Excellent contract Hank, excellent.
Even with all of these issues – the Yanks still made the ALCS – - -let’s just wait and see how 2013 plays out – - – -
@Joelsherman1: During playoffs A-Rod felt hip issue, surgically repaired RIGHT hip was MRI-ed. No problem found. Turned out it is LEFT hip #Yankees
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Um, and no one could tell it was the left hip that was hurting? Huh? Modern medicine? SMH.
I am not for trading a lot for Headley with only 2 years of control. Plus the guy hit more homeruns in 2012 than the previous 3 years combined. A little disconcerting.
J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 10:47 am
yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2012 at 10:46 am
Torn labrum in the left hip?
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Poor Alex. This could be the end of the line for him.
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As much as I feel for Alex, an early retirement would be far from the worst thing in the world.
What are the luxury tax rules regarding players on the 60 Day DL?
The word labrum is a very bad one for the Yankees lately
Have a good day, people.
TheStraw says:
December 3, 2012 at 10:49 am
What are the luxury tax rules regarding players on the 60 Day DL?
Still counts
It makes sense that the center of balance in the body would sooner or later break down from overcompensation to one side…
Good thing he only has 5 yrs/150 mil left on his deal. Oh wait….
I have to go get my car inspected at DMV. I am driving illegally. But crap, I really can’t make myself leave. Now what? We package a bunch of A specs for a 3B? Grrrr.
Sox getting Napoli …. Think that was lost in the discussions of Arods hips
I think the only realistic result is to not be very good for awhile since they won’t spend. Don’t give up the farm for marginal pieces. Upton is one thing, but Morse is different.
The only realistic way for the Yankees to be competitive is to spend money on free agents. Since that won’t happen to any significant degree, I have no clue.
I’m worried about the age of the Yanks staff but it does look good on paper if healthy. The Giants offense was pretty terrible last year outside of Posey. Even Sandoval didn’t have a great regular season. I’d rather have a solid staff and compose a lineup of contact hitters.. if those hitters can get hot in October, you have a great chance at a championship. It seems to be a formula that many recent Championship clubs have used.
They have to plan on Alex DHing from now on and just get what they can out of him…… They have to move on and find a new 3B
For all out there who think they know what Cash will do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRI_02EOsyI
It makes sense that the center of balance in the body would sooner or later break down from overcompensation to one side…
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Thinking the same. Why don’t they get Alex a yogi type, a medical chi gung master or an Alexander or Feldenkrais type dude to help him regain his center? It wouldn’t hurt, post surgery.
As much as I feel for Alex, an early retirement would be far from the worst thing in the world.
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Yea but it’s heart breaking. We’re talking about one of the greatest players ever. Fortunately, we have Adams in the wings if they don’t go outside…
It took a lot of guts (and a willing accomplice) for the Red Sox to do what they did last year. I’m not sure the Yankees a) are bad enough or b) have the stones in the front office to effectively acknowledge we will likely forfeit the division to the Jays or Orioles next season, and embark on a rebuilding effort. Signing guys like Kuroda and Pettitte doesn’t really lend itself to that mentality either.
I think 2013 is going to be a painful season in baseball purgatory for the Yanks. Not good enough to win but not bad enough to do what really needs to be done.
@Joelsherman1 Dr. Marc Philippon, who did 1st surgery, and 2d surgeon confirmed this torn labrum, but Philippon unlikely to do this 2d procedure #Yankees
blake December 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 am
@Joelsherman1: Can add new A-Rod info. The injury is the LEFT hip, not the previously operated upon right 1. Same injury: Torn labrum (cont) #Yankees
Oh good…. It’s both hips
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Ah, I missed that – oh dear.
I agree they should have signed Melky. He would have given them strong defense, he switch hits and hits in the clutch. Don’t understand not signing him.
You want to see attendance go down significantly at YS? Don’t put a winning team on the field.
J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 10:46 am
yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2012 at 10:31 am
… Again, why did we trade for pitching when we should have known Alex’s health would be a big question mark… That O was always a big concern….
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Because…the offense is “fine”….because….”pitching wins”…..b-b-b-b-because…..well, just because!
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The pitching isn’t in any better shape than the hitting for 2014.
Here is 2014 without Pineda:
CC
Nova
Phelps
That’s it.
So stop crying about trying to acquire pitching.
Sign Keppinger….go hard after Rendon…..Headley will cost a fortune especially now
yankeefem, I bet they’re aware of those modalities, since athletes and performing artists use them often, even if the general public is largely ignorant of them (Alexander/feldenkrais, I mean). But those are really great approaches.
@Ken_Rosenthal: Teams showing “no hesitation whatsoever” in pursuit of Keppinger, according to agent Keith Grunewald. #Yankees have longstanding interest.
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Like I said, I hate to see Alex go through this but it’s happening and if he has to step away it definitely helps the team. I’d rather see him just call it a career than hit .230 with little power. But he has 150 million reasons not to do what I say, haha.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
@GordonEdes: Sox expect to reach agreement with Napoli Monday, baseball source says. Deal expected to be 3 years
Tyler,
Somehow I am not encouraged that the Giants won. As you noted, they have contact hitters. We don’t.
The current Yankee team will not have to worry about playoff production.
The Yanks have to find an everyday 3rd basemen and move on from Arod. If they can sign Youk for 1 year do that or Scutaro for 2 years. There aren’t alot of options out there. I think the only way they will get anything out of him moving forward is if he DH’s everyday. He is breaking down and I don’t think it makes sense to keep him at 3rd base anymore. The Yanks middle of the order going forward is Cano and Tex. Now Cash really has a lot of work to do and it’s time for him to get started.
So glad we gave up on Austin Jackson and Jesus Montero…
Cashman’s a joke!
J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 10:52 am
As much as I feel for Alex, an early retirement would be far from the worst thing in the world.
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Yea but it’s heart breaking. We’re talking about one of the greatest players ever. Fortunately, we have Adams in the wings if they don’t go outside…
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I too feel bad for Alex.
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Doubt we go the Adams route, except as a BU, but think they would rather have a SUI, if they are ever able to secure someone who can play both SS and 3B.
https://www.google.com/search?q=hips+dont+lie&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
This song seems appropriate this morning
I’d rather see him just call it a career than hit .230 with little power. But he has 150 million reasons not to do what I say, haha.
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But I think that he would not hang around if he were to come back as Russel Martin, how much money can he spend in one lifetime?
I think 2013 is going to be a painful season in baseball purgatory for the Yanks. Not good enough to win but not bad enough to do what really needs to be done.
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At times it felt like 2012 was this even though they made the ALCS.
Jon Heyman?@JonHeymanCBS
A-Rod will have surgery for his left hip. Out 4-6 months.
wow, alex’s production was greatly diminished from the other hip surgery. this one could spell the end.
Doubt we go the Adams route, except as a BU, but think they would rather have a SUI, if they are ever able to secure someone who can play both SS and 3B.
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I have no idea what they’ll do, but he is the kind of hitter we need in the lineup and is adequately solid at 3B.
Too bad the Yanks can’t just get Arod to retire. What a disaster.
J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 10:52 am
As much as I feel for Alex, an early retirement would be far from the worst thing in the world.
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Yea but it’s heart breaking. We’re talking about one of the greatest players ever. Fortunately, we have Adams in the wings if they don’t go outside…
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Would he retire? Part of me could see him basically saying that he is no longer productive and retiring after a failed 2013 (if he fails to come back and play well) and thereby releasing the team from the 2014 hit. They could then offer him a 10 year personal services contract at $10MM per season. He would then remain as a special coach or whatever they do, but not be a player and count against the team payroll. Pujols has one of these 10 year deals after his current deal ends, from what I recall.
I can’t wait for the “we are getting two impact players back in July ” spin (Arod and Pineda)
lol – granderson was an mvp candidate little over a year ago and montero hasn’t done jack squat.
I can’t wait for the “we are getting two impact players back in July ” spin (Arod and Pineda)
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I don’t think anyone is counting on Pineda for 2013 – sure they might spin it ARod coming back – but I have not seen or read Pineda as being counted on – it is been portrayed more as a luxury – - – -
@JonHeymanCBS: #tigers a few weeks ago offered anibal sanchez $48M, 4 yrs. Agent told them that offer would insult anibal. Seeks 90M/6
Lol
brianlopez22 December 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
So glad we gave up on Austin Jackson and Jesus Montero…
Cashman’s a joke!
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Well, it certainly continues to be troubling that they don’t seem to recognize their own needs.
J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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Yeah, apparently you missed it. Here it is again:
CC
Nova
Phelps
A-Rod’s current salary (from Cot’s):
08:$27M, 09:$32M, 10:$32M, 11:$31M, 12:$29M, 13:$28M, 14:$25M, 15:$21M, 16:$20M, 17:$20M
So he is owed $86MM after the 2013 season. So perhaps they could find a way for him to retire and get that back in a personal services contract. Not sure how retirement is handled in terms of annual value of the contract etc (since their luxury tax payments over the last few seasons would reflect the AAV, not the higher salary he was actually paid).
At least his salary is down to ‘only’ $25MM in 2014 and declines after that…
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I think if they have an outside chance. Like you said, they still aren’t contact-oriented enough and relying on luck in October isn’t really the most sound method to win a World Series. I don’t see any team that looks fantastic (at this point) so I think the Yanks still have an outside shot at things. However, I agree that there are much bigger issues at this point than just a 2013 World Series.
@GordonEdes: Deal for Napoli is a three-year deal, baseball source confirms.
@Jim_Duquette: Jack Z with #Mariners told us that they’re continuing to have discussions about an extension for King Felix. Sounded like they were active
Would he retire? Part of me could see him basically saying that he is no longer productive and retiring after a failed 2013 (if he fails to come back and play well) and thereby releasing the team from the 2014 hit. They could then offer him a 10 year personal services contract at $10MM per season. He would then remain as a special coach or whatever they do, but not be a player and count against the team payroll. Pujols has one of these 10 year deals after his current deal ends, from what I recall.
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Yeah, I don’t think Alex will settle for mediocrity from himself. The personal services thing is an option, and has been discussed here before. I’d like to see Alex buy out Hal
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This team needs Granderson to at least go back to his 2011 production. The homeruns are great but he can’t hit .230 again. He’s got to get that up to .270. Same for Tex… both of those guys should be in the prime of their career and support Cano. A lot can’t be expected out of A-Rod anymore but those two should be expected to produce up to their capabilities.
Napoli is a Red Sox? Of course, we were not interested.
Red Sox are really smart to get both Ross and Napoli, they will be very productive at the catcher position. I guess they trade Saltalamacchia, too bad they can’t trade with the Yanks
Too bad about A-rod but not really a surprise. I thought the wrist was still bothering him but this makes a lot of sense.
Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS
#tigers a few weeks ago offered anibal sanchez $48M, 4 yrs. Agent told them that offer would insult anibal. Seeks 90M/6
Maybe they’ll be a silver lining here and the Yankees will actually address the offense…..I doubt it but we will see
You can guarantee that Cashman ‘s bs today is going to be that we have players in the organization who can cover for him. He will go on and on about how good the minor league system is and name some names of nobodies. Cashman needs a good assistant gm to help him find talent and make good trades because he seems lost sometimes.
Wow possible 3-6 months
cs in la December 3rd, 2012 at 10:36 am
Why didn’t they tell us this during the playoffs instead of making Arod just look incapable? Why keep it a secret?
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I’m guessing the kept the secret to not give any excuses. I know it sounds dumb but why else would they keep it a secret. I remember many ppl felt he was injured during the PS.
Napoli!!!! Nooooooooo
joeman December 3rd, 2012 at 11:06 am
Wow possible 3-6 months
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Might as well not expect a lot from him this yr.
What you are failing/refusing to see is that signing Kuroda made “the trade” superfluous, gratuitous and exceedingly short-sighted.
You missed the postseason, I guess.
I can’t wait for the “we are getting two impact players back in July ” spin (Arod and Pineda)
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At least Pineda has a CHANCE to be an impact player. Those days, IMO, are over for Arod.
Cashman’s quotes today.
“We aren’t going to make a panic move”
“We trust our in house guys and we still have big middle of the order hitters”
“Pitching holds the keys to the kingdom”
” process”
“Something about processes”
blake December 3rd, 2012 at 11:05 am
Maybe they’ll be a silver lining here and the Yankees will actually address the offense…..I doubt it but we will see
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They have no choice but to fix it at this point.
I just watched videos of 2012 post season Arod at bats and I don’t see any signs that show Arod hurting. I don’t get it, something smells very rotten. None of it makes sense.
If they knew his hip was messed up why didn’t he have surgery soon after the season ended and not wait until december to see a doctor?
this guy has turned out to be one of the biggest bums in baseball.
blake December 3rd, 2012 at 11:05 am
Maybe they’ll be a silver lining here and the Yankees will actually address the offense…..I doubt it but we will see
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I’m sure they will, but the cost will be great. What a waste…
Red Sox are really smart to get both Ross and Napoli
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Some redundancy w/ Napoli, Gomes and Ross. Wonder whether they look to get in on Swisher.
Napoli/Ross looks like a good combo behind the plate. A little better than Stewart/Whiteside/Romine at this point…
Do Glue factories accept Centaurs?
blake December 3rd, 2012 at 11:08 am
Cashman’s quotes today.
“We aren’t going to make a panic move”
“We trust our in house guys and we still have big middle of the order hitters”
“Pitching holds the keys to the kingdom”
” process”
“Something about processes”
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Yeah, and it’s no longer even funny. He’s destroyed this team.
I can’t wait for the “we are getting two impact players back in July ” spin (Arod and Pineda)
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It’s funny because you know it’s coming
Well atleast this Arod news explains the benching in the playoffs. Im shocked that they didnt announce the injury before and allowed Arod to be embarrased…..Once he returns he should be the permanent DH
Cashman trade for Headley and sign Hamilton….the hell with the budget….
Yeah, and it’s no longer even funny. He’s destroyed this team.
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Actually, I’d argue that Hank/Levine have done more damage than Cashman. In my opinion, Cashman has done a pretty good job keeping the ship afloat for this long with smaller signings. I know you hate the Montero/Pineda trade but I think the Yanks brass above Cashman has done worse than he has toward the future..
Cashman trade for Headley and sign Hamilton….the hell with the budget….
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I’m sure if he could do that he would. But Hal’s the boss and his word is final.
I have commented numerous times about A-Rod’s running the bases inna plodding manner. It was obvious to these eyes, that something was Not right when he returned from the knee problem. Sherman says A-Rod was playing with the hip injury at the end of last season. I believe he has been playing with this problem Far longer than that, and simply attempting to play through it, and avoid the rehab he endured following his previous hip surgery. Still, the currently pending hip surgery should have been performed FAR Sooner than roughly 6 weeks after This season ended. A-Rod has put the Yanks inna bad spot by Not undergoing this surgery Immediately following the conclusion of the 2012 Yankee season.
“Cashman trade for Headley and sign Hamilton….the hell with the budget….”
Expect Chavy and Raul instead
No more part time fixes. Decide on a FULL TIME 3B. Let Alex DH when he comes back….
” blake December 3rd, 2012 at 11:10 am
Do Glue factories accept Centaurs?”
***POST OF THE DAY!!!***
NYY_Girl_Penny December 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am
I just watched videos of 2012 post season Arod at bats and I don’t see any signs that show Arod hurting. I don’t get it, something smells very rotten. None of it makes sense.
If they knew his hip was messed up why didn’t he have surgery soon after the season ended and not wait until december to see a doctor?
this guy has turned out to be one of the biggest bums in baseball.
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That bum helped bring us a chip.
Just because you can’t see him grimacing doesn’t mean he’s not hurt. Tex was beaten up in the 2010 PS. He ran to first base and basically collapsed in a heap before he got there.
J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 am
What you are failing/refusing to see is that signing Kuroda made “the trade” superfluous, gratuitous and exceedingly short-sighted.
You missed the postseason, I guess.
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And you are not seeing that in the very near future, both the offense and the starting pitching needed to be addressed. When you only have CC – Nova – Phelps for 2014, trading for pitching was not a stupid idea like you try to portray.
@JonHeymanCBS: Napoli has deal with red sox, 3 yrs, $39M
Tyler,
You are only highlighting Cashman’s 1 good feature. Signing FAs to contracts.
He has destroyed the farm and has traded away potential assets to acquire big names.
The guy has not been able to acquire young talent in his 14 year reign as GM.
His downfall will ultimately be the ridiculous contracts and the ARod extension, but his failure to build up the farm, is his true failure.
Napoli is going to destroy the green monster
When you only have CC – Nova – Phelps for 2014, trading for pitching was not a stupid idea like you try to portray.
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True but the plan for the farm was to be a pipeline to the major league team. Generation Trey was ehhh and the Bs are on life support.
Let’s just wait and see how it all plays out – - – -
So, Alex just waited to see a doctor for months writhing in pain? Or, since another quote points to the fact that the tear was a known issue, they knowingly didn’t schedule surgery until months later? What? Very confused here.
the ARod extension,
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That’s on Hank, Hal, and Levine
RMS December 3rd, 2012 at 10:53 am
I agree they should have signed Melky. He would have given them strong defense, he switch hits and hits in the clutch. Don’t understand not signing him.
You want to see attendance go down significantly at YS? Don’t put a winning team on the field.
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Lots of folks have given up their seasons, due to the whole Stubhub fiasco. The product on the field hasn’t been exactly ‘must see’ baseball, either, even though they won 95 games.
The Melky thing points up a larger issue: they don’t seem to value players who can hit for average. It’s astounding that Cashman continues to call his upside that of a “fourth outfielder.” Is he being spiteful? Perhaps, but he may actually believe this, which tells me he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed.
So, Alex just waited to see a doctor for months writhing in pain? Or, since another quote points to the fact that the tear was a known issue, they knowingly didn’t schedule surgery until months later? What? Very confused here.
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The New York sports media getting it wrong and making it confusing in a rush to be the first or get it on twitter first – I am shocked – - – -
The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 am
Let’s just wait and see how it all plays out – – – -
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Can we just b and moan until then
. This is major news.
Keppinger or Scutaro I take either with adams getting some rep in AAA.
18-year-old Japanese pitcher Shohei Otani, who announced in October that he intended to sign with an MLB team, may now be leaning toward staying in Japan, according to Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times (Twitter link), who cites reports out of Japan. A decision from Otani is expected this week, tweets Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#mOhucpeXgdFAIH0R.99
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Looks like they are working their influence on Otani…
Blake and Tyler,
I still have hope that the Yankees will come around on this budget nonsense…… Even if its false hope
BTW sounds like an overpay for Napoli
The Return of Stoneburner December 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 am
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Can we just b and moan until then . This is major news.
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Do you what you got to do.
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As Sherman notes, with Derek Jeter recovering from surgery as well, the Yankees “desperately” need help on the left side of the infield. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets that the team’s options include Marco Scutaro and Jeff Keppinger, though Keppinger is also coming off surgery.
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That doesn’t make me excited, it makes me want to puke.
“Napoli is going to destroy the green monster”
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…or at least whatever is left of it after adrian gozalez destroyed it when they got him.
The only chance to compete is to go over $189M. That is not happening, I’m afraid.
Now, going into next year they have no catcher, no RF, no 3B and a SS in a boot with a fractured ankle.
Let’s continue to think small Yankees. Ichiro and Ibanez and the offense is solved waiting, as Blake says, for the mid-season injury returns.
I wonder when Brian will show up at the meetings. He had to recover from rappelling. He is still in evaluation mode. No need to act rashly. The tortoise etc. etc. This tortoise is going to end up soup.
@nickcafardo: Nick Swisher on Boston’s radar but have “couple of other” OF they’re looking at.
Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 11:13 am
NYY_Girl_Penny December 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am
I just watched videos of 2012 post season Arod at bats and I don’t see any signs that show Arod hurting. I don’t get it, something smells very rotten. None of it makes sense.
If they knew his hip was messed up why didn’t he have surgery soon after the season ended and not wait until december to see a doctor?
this guy has turned out to be one of the biggest bums in baseball.
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That bum helped bring us a chip.
Just because you can’t see him grimacing doesn’t mean he’s not hurt. Tex was beaten up in the 2010 PS. He ran to first base and basically collapsed in a heap before he got there.
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okay you are right, calling him a bum is a bit harsh. I guess I am just super disappointed in him and how much he cripples us from making moves we really need.
?@JimBowdenESPNxm
Mike Napoli deal with Red Sox is 3-years at $39 million pending physical according to a source involved in negotiations
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I thought there was no way in hell Napoli was gonna get paid more than Russ Martin?
It’s time for Cashman to get busy instead of counting Hal’s pennies.
Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 am
When you only have CC – Nova – Phelps for 2014, trading for pitching was not a stupid idea like you try to portray.
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True but the plan for the farm was to be a pipeline to the major league team. Generation Trey was ehhh and the Bs are on life support
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You can’t pencil in minor league pitchers. They get hurt and fail far more often than position players. We saw (again) what can happen.
i have to be honest, the arod news doesnt do much for me either way. i expected him to suck this year, and this just means he’ll suck in less games this year.
i’ve been saying all along that they need a f/t third baseman, and at least now i know they’ll go get one.
now sign a dh.
Why do people blame Cashman on this? I blame Hank Steinbrenner, he is the idiot that signed Arod to the mega deal unaware of what the market was calling for even though his GM was 100% against bringing him back if he opted out.. YES Cashman said multiple times that if Arod opts out its over yet he is to blame for the situation we are in now ?
Not a single person hinted at Arod being hurt and when you listen to peoples answers about teams focus in the media, I’d be very surprised if they were hiding arod being hurt. Sounds to me like the yankees just found out about it themselves.
NYY_Girl_Penny December 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 am
Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 11:13 am
NYY_Girl_Penny December 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am
I just watched videos of 2012 post season Arod at bats and I don’t see any signs that show Arod hurting. I don’t get it, something smells very rotten. None of it makes sense.
If they knew his hip was messed up why didn’t he have surgery soon after the season ended and not wait until december to see a doctor?
this guy has turned out to be one of the biggest bums in baseball.
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That bum helped bring us a chip.
Just because you can’t see him grimacing doesn’t mean he’s not hurt. Tex was beaten up in the 2010 PS. He ran to first base and basically collapsed in a heap before he got there.
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okay you are right, calling him a bum is a bit harsh. I guess I am just super disappointed in him and how much he cripples us from making moves we really need.
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We are all disappointed in what has happened to Alex over the past few seasons and sometimes the anger gets a hold of us.
@Ken_Rosenthal: #Rangers most aggressive team on Hamilton, according to source. Would ease sting of losing Napoli. #Brewers on periphery with Hamilton.
Who is the most aggressive on Ibanez?
I blame Hank Steinbrenner,
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Make sure you blame Hal too
I thought there was no way in hell Napoli was gonna get paid more than Russ Martin?
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you thought wrong jerk. Napoli is probably valued by his offensive potentials in Fenway. 13 mil for 1b/c who ops 900 in 11 is a slight pay imo but worth it for the bosox.
jacksquat December 3rd, 2012 at 11:25 am
Against All Odds December 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 am
When you only have CC – Nova – Phelps for 2014, trading for pitching was not a stupid idea like you try to portray.
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True but the plan for the farm was to be a pipeline to the major league team. Generation Trey was ehhh and the Bs are on life support
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You can’t pencil in minor league pitchers. They get hurt and fail far more often than position players. We saw (again) what can happen.
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You don’t think they pencil in mL pitchers. Cashman had designs on Trey anchoring the staff and he did the same thing with the Bs.
Gardner
Jeter
Cano
Teixeira
Upton
Granderson
Santana
DH
David Adams
This would be hot.
yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 am
We had better not waste the farm for a marginal player. We should have signed Melky, and should go after Hamilton. I doubt we let Adams play. He is adequate on D, but doesn’t have much range.
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He doesn’t have great range, but he makes the routine plays. He’s solid enough.
@Ken_Rosenthal: #Rangers on Greinke as well as Hamilton. Here is column I wrote on their varied pursuits – before loss of Napoli. http://t.co/xnChZqHc
Terrible news everyone, this endangers the Yankees for 2014 as it makes it very likely that A-rod will end 2013 short of his milestone for HRs. That makes it extremely likely he gets it in 2014 barring a trade, which makes it extremely likely the Yankees have to add 6 million onto their sunk costs for 2014.
rod threw a big curve in Cash’s compete then see wassup in 14 plan. I hope the Yanks don’t dump their future to fix the present. gimme scutaro and keepinger we can roll with that.
All players are overpaid from the new Yankee standpoint. They cannot “afford” anyone.
Cashman has continued to say age is not an issue. Yes, it is. AROD and Jeter’s injuries are directly attributable to age, in my view.
I do blame Cashman for not doing anything the last two years when the age of the team was clearly an issue. They had chances. He cannot see beyond today. By the way, today isn’t too good.
I hope Otani stays in Japan since he sure as heck wouldn’t be signed by the Yankees.
Let’s just say that Hamilton is available for 3/$39m. I wonder if the Yanks would jump to sign him ? Or are they too scared that he would kill himself in NY. I would like them to go after him but I think he scares them. With Napoli in Boston now I am sure the Rangers will resign him.
Cashmoney December 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 am
I thought there was no way in hell Napoli was gonna get paid more than Russ Martin?
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you thought wrong jerk. Napoli is probably valued by his offensive potentials in Fenway. 13 mil for 1b/c who ops 900 in 11 is a slight pay imo but worth it for the bosox.
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Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
brianlopez22 December 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 am
Tyler,
You are only highlighting Cashman’s 1 good feature. Signing FAs to contracts.
He has destroyed the farm and has traded away potential assets to acquire big names.
The guy has not been able to acquire young talent in his 14 year reign as GM.
His downfall will ultimately be the ridiculous contracts and the ARod extension, but his failure to build up the farm, is his true failure.
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Did you see the farm system before Cashman got more authority to build it up? I don’t think he’s destroyed it at all. The talent in the system is as good as I can remember. Now has every hyped prospect worked out? No… but that happens to every team. The Pineda acquisition hasn’t worked out up until this point. But those “ridiculous contracts” won the Yanks a World Series in 2009 and the A-Rod extension had nothing to do with him. He’s not a top GM in baseball by any means but I think that there are a lot of factors (i.e. Yankees brass demands) that influence the way he does his job.
jerk is never sarcastic, JS!
@JonHeymanCBS: #redsox talking to swisher now. A possibility.
Terrible news everyone, this endangers the Yankees for 2014 as it makes it very likely that A-rod will end 2013 short of his milestone for HRs. That makes it extremely likely he gets it in 2014 barring a trade, which makes it extremely likely the Yankees have to add 6 million onto their sunk costs for 2014.
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Hahahaaa oh man …
let go of the melky stuff. the organization will not sign a guy just busted on roids. no organization really should.
“Let’s just say that Hamilton is available for 3/$39m”
No way…..too rich for Hals blood
LOL…
Jon Heyman?@JonHeymanCBS
#redsox talking to swisher now. A possibility.
Jerkface December 3rd, 2012 at 11:29 am
Terrible news everyone, this endangers the Yankees for 2014 as it makes it very likely that A-rod will end 2013 short of his milestone for HRs. That makes it extremely likely he gets it in 2014 barring a trade, which makes it extremely likely the Yankees have to add 6 million onto their sunk costs for 2014.
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I know Levine thought that those milestone homers would be a huge revenue boost since A-Rod wasn’t known to have taken PED’s at the time but I always hated that part of the contract. Alex always struggled right before those homeruns, let alone with a 6 million dollar incentive. That’s money that could be much better used than a meaningless 715th homer.
Patrick December 3rd, 2012 at 11:32 am
Terrible news everyone, this endangers the Yankees for 2014 as it makes it very likely that A-rod will end 2013 short of his milestone for HRs. That makes it extremely likely he gets it in 2014 barring a trade, which makes it extremely likely the Yankees have to add 6 million onto their sunk costs for 2014.
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Hahahaaa oh man …
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what are the expectations of an aging player with 2 hip injuries? will he play a full season? will he be able to hit 20 homeruns in that season? it’s quite possible none of those milestones are reached.
If Hamilton signs a deal for 3/39, you know he’s on drugs again.
Swish will produce in Boston and help turn the clubhouse around. Good luck with him though if the Sox are fortunate enough to make the postseason. He’s a good player who is going to be overpaid.
I know Levine thought that those milestone homers would be a huge revenue boost since A-Rod wasn’t known to have taken PED’s at the time but I always hated that part of the contract. Alex always struggled right before those homeruns, let alone with a 6 million dollar incentive. That’s money that could be much better used than a meaningless 715th homer.
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Dude, A-rod’s whole contract is money that could be much better used. It was a terrible signing.
I would pimp Alex out to Chip N” Dales while he is recovering from hip surgery. Alex would bat fourth in those lineup.
The Yankees are in on . . . nevermind.
Patrick, you said you are a software engineer? What programming languages do you know? What do you program?
Patrick December 3rd, 2012 at 11:35 am
I know Levine thought that those milestone homers would be a huge revenue boost since A-Rod wasn’t known to have taken PED’s at the time but I always hated that part of the contract. Alex always struggled right before those homeruns, let alone with a 6 million dollar incentive. That’s money that could be much better used than a meaningless 715th homer.
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Dude, A-rod’s whole contract is money that could be much better used. It was a terrible signing.
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No argument from me on that. I was happy he opted out because even his initial contract was horrible. Even if he could have stayed around .285 with 20-25 homers for most of the contract, I could have gotten over the overpayment itself. Never understood all these incentives even with a potential for increased revenue however.
The Yankees are in on . . . nevermind.
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LOL LOL
I think Cashman is planning on the Mayans being right
saying the arod/hank contract has nothing to do with arod is a joke. he opted out remember? that’s why he got the contract in the first place. as stupid as hank was, he didnt walk up to some guy on the grand concourse and ask if he wanted to play for the yankees for $30M per year. there are expectations on both sides and you can’t just say the player has no responsibility to live up to his side of the contract.
and i wont even go back into whether arod negotiated in bad faith knowing how he attained the stats he had up to that point.
contracts are the responsibility of both parties involved.
I would be very sad to see Swisher in Boston
Honestly, aside from the money problem – I am not so sure Arod being out hurts or helps us? I guess that depends on who his replacement is.
what are the expectations of an aging player with 2 hip injuries? will he play a full season? will he be able to hit 20 homeruns in that season? it’s quite possible none of those milestones are reached.
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Do you think he is going to never play again? He is like 13 HRs away from the first milestone, which the Yankees were very lucky was likely to hit 2013. Do you think A-rod cannot hit 16 HRs in 2 years? Fresh off labrum surgery in 09 he was a powerhouse. If the labrum is what sapped his power getting it fixed should improve him. They will have to hope it does, because if he hits 10 HRs in limited play time in the 2nd half after returning from rehab they will be in trouble for a number of reasons.
Terrible news everyone, this endangers the Yankees for 2014 as it makes it very likely that A-rod will end 2013 short of his milestone for HRs. That makes it extremely likely he gets it in 2014 barring a trade, which makes it extremely likely the Yankees have to add 6 million onto their sunk costs for 2014.
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Yup. Which means $189M is really something like $168-170M when you factor in benefits, his bonus, and trade deadline funds.
Arod situation.. whatever.. The power has been gone for a while so it’s not like we are really missing something there.. at least it’s finally getting addressed. The beginning of the season is going to be rough as it stands right now.. this offseason is resembling 2008.. I hope it quickly changes into 2009.
@JeffPassan: One athletic trainer’s prognosis on A-Rod after two hip surgeries: “DH. Lateral agility is never gonna be the same.” Yankees shopping 3B.
Mike Napoli deal with Red Sox is 3-years at $39 million pending physical according to a source involved in negotiations
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That is a scary amount of money for a part-time catcher/1B/DH.
and we wonder why Cashman has trouble finalizing deals….. who woulda dreamed of those $$$ for Napoli ??
Patrick, you said you are a software engineer? What programming languages do you know? What do you program?
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C++, Java, C#, Python .. the usual stuff..
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Captain Clutch December 3rd, 2012 at 11:33 am
LOL…
Jon Heyman?@JonHeymanCBS
#redsox talking to swisher now. A possibility.
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Get ready for them to take Stephen Drew as well.
blake December 3rd, 2012 at 11:38 am
I would be very sad to see Swisher in Boston
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why ? I wouldn’t be. Can you imagine the bleach creatures when he comes to yankee stadium in a redsox uni? HAHA. I honestly don’t care where he goes.
For fans of the show, the Six Million Dollar Man, let’s hope that they can break out some of the bionic parts for A-Rod.
In the meantime, swallow some pride and sign Youk to play 3rd. The guy is a pain in the ass, but he plays hard, hits for power, has a high OBP and plays good D. It would be worth to see him get some big hits against the Red Sox.
Man the Arod deal just keeps on giving ….
chris duncan ?@chrisduncan11
Ive had two hip surgeries. Very difficult too return from. Slowed my bat down quite a bit. Ny still owes Arod over 100mill wow!! Bad deal
Actually, I’d argue that Hank/Levine have done more damage than Cashman. In my opinion, Cashman has done a pretty good job keeping the ship afloat for this long with smaller signings. I know you hate the Montero/Pineda trade but I think the Yanks brass above Cashman has done worse than he has toward the future..
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Tyler,
I can’t congratulate him for “keeping afloat” what he compromised in the first place. We’re “afloat” with having had misleading success, (before we get exposed, now, two years running in the postseason) rather than being the powerhouse we should have/could have been coming off that 2009 Championship.
It seems to me, there were moves made since that time that not only weakened the team, but hobbled it in areas that were previously strengths and could have continued to be so.
They should have stayed the course with Chamberlain and kept Cabrera, for starters. They should have signed Holliday, to mitigate future decline in the lineup. They might have kept Austin Jackson, and in no way should they have traded away their one legit hitting prospect for an arm. Those moves behind them, they had another chance to upgrade the lineup and to get a good young bat with Cespedes on the market. They whiffed. All of these moves, or lack of moves, have been the wrong ones, IMO, and have brought the team to this point, where they are probably now looking at wasting a Sanchez and Williams plus for something they had. Cashman has allowed the lineup to get old; that neglect was dramatically on display this season and thrown into greater relief in the postseason.
How can he be doing a pretty good job?
They really need to do something like sign Josh Hamilton, because “smaller signings” are going to have a small impact on the lineup. Either that, or they’ll have to sacrifice the future for the present. If that’s the reality, they’d better be getting back guys who are young and good. If you’re going to blow it up, then you need to make a big splash. Upton type move – not a Cuddyer type.