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A new priority for the Yankees

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 04, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees need a third baseman. We’ve known for quite some time that they need a strong backup, but now that Alex Rodriguez is going to miss the early part of next season — maybe even the first half of next season — they basically need an everyday guy. Even if Rodriguez can bounce back next season, he’s not going to do it in April, probably not in May and maybe not in June.

Obviously the Yankees have had this information for a quite a while, but in your mind, as the second day of baseball’s Winter Meetings gets underway, how much has the priority list changed. How do you rank these five needs.

1. Starting third baseman
This need is complicated. Rodriguez will be back at some point, he’s under contract for the next five years, and there isn’t much of a third base market out there. The Padres don’t seem excited about trading Chase Headley, and most of the free agents are either utility types (Marco Scutaro, Jeff Keppinger, Chone Figgins), clearly flawed everyday guys (Mark Reynolds, Kevin Youkilis, Brandon Inge) or aging players (Eric Chavez, Scott Rolen, Placido Polanco). “The choices aren’t pretty,” Brian Cashman said. Internal options aren’t proven either (Ronnier Mustelier, David Adams, giving Eduardo Nunez another shot at the position). Considering the options and the lack of a standout candidate, should Cashman make third base a priority? Given the questions at the position, can he afford not to?

2. Everyday right fielder
Certainly the priority before news of the Rodriguez injury — and I would probably argue that it’s still the priority — right field is wide open. I happen to really like Chris Dickerson, but I can’t imagine the Yankees giving him the job (considering how tight the 40-man is right now, I’m not sure they’ll even be able to keep him on the roster into spring training). Right field is probably the easiest place to make up for some of the offense that’s been lost by the Rodriguez injury and the Russell Martin signing. It’s also the position of need with the most options. There are a lot of platoon bats out there, a few impact everyday guys and there could be a legitimate trade market for a corner outfielder.

3. Catcher who can hit
The Yankees have catchers who can catch, but they don’t have one that can hit (unless you’re bullish on Austin Romine’s potential). Re-signing Martin was the obvious solution, but it turned out to be more easily said than done, and now Martin is with the Pirates. A.J. Pierzynski is the clear standout on the free agent market, with a handful of lesser names also out there. The trade market for a catcher might be remarkably hard to find. It seems hard to believe Cashman would actually go into next season with Chris Stewart or Francisco Cervelli as his starter, but given the options on the market, should he legitimately take that chance?

4. Designated hitter
Anyone who can hit and vaguely play the field. This is another opportunity for the Yankees to add some offense. They’ll need a designated hitter who can also play somewhere in the field — because Jeter and Rodriguez are eventually going to need some DH days — but for the most part, this guy’s value should be in the bat, kind of like Raul Ibanez last season. Maybe Ibanez is part of the solution again next season. Maybe they can find a new version of Andruw Jones who can actually produce. For a team that needs offense, should Cashman’s first priority be to sign the best bat — regardless of position — who fits into the Yankees financial plans?

5. Additional rotation depth
The Yankees have six starters if you count David Phelps, but the Yankees also seemed to have an overflowing rotation last spring and wound up feeling thin through significant stretches of the season. Clearly the Yankees need offense more than they need pitching — for the moment — but a deep pitching staff can become a thin pitching staff in a hurry, and going forward, the team is going to need more arms in the not-so-distant future. If pitching really does win championships — ask the Giants about that — should Cashman always have pitching at the top of his list, no matter what the current roster looks like?

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103 Responses to “A new priority for the Yankees”

  1. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    MTU-

    ARod generates power from his lower half, his hips. If they discover early arthritic changes in that left hip when they place the arthroscope, then I don’t feel his production will improve.

  2. yanks61 December 4th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    yanks61 December 4th, 2012 at 8:54 am
    I don’t know if this question has already been addressed, but I have to assume that the Yanks have insurance on their players as regards career ending injuries. If ARod is forced to retire in the next year or two, I realize that they would still have to pay him and that his salary would be subject to the tax, but does anyone know if they’ll recover some or all of the salary from insurance?

  3. brianlopez22 December 4th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Your list has been on these comments for a while. It doesn’t look pretty here, and it doesn’t look pretty up there.

    Serious work to do Cashman.

    On a side note, I would take Scoty Rolen for half a season… GREAT glove.

  4. blake December 4th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    @Buster_ESPN: The Yankees are not on Yunel Escobar…

    I say ….good

  5. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Chad-

    IMO a Kepp/Chavez would work just fine.

    Or even A Chavez/Adams/Nix platoon.

    Still would like Gordon but I think he’s out.

    I think the OF’er is the higher priority because they have absolutely no viable in-house options.

  6. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Additional Rotation Depth:

    Yes the Yankees should add another pitcher-someone willing to go one year to re-establish themselves. Lefty swing-man Tom Gorzelanny. FB around 90, slider, changeup per fangraphs. Had two good years for the Nats.

  7. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    How I’d stack the priorities :

    RF’er
    3B
    C
    Ro depth
    DH

    JMHO.

  8. blake December 4th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Trader,

    Ahmed is a SS prospect who was in the fall league

    http://atlanta.sbnation.com/20.....all-league

    From what I know he’s a pretty good glove man with some upside to his bat….still a big of time away but he’s blocked unless the Braves trade Simmons

  9. blake December 4th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=atl

    Another link….,he’s the type they should target if they trade Grandy….a guy with upside at a position they are weak at in the system

  10. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Yankees didn’t have a catcher who could hit last year so I don’t know why that needs to be a priority this winter.

    If I was Brian I would talk to my buddy Kevin Towers about Kubel and Chris Johnson. Kubel is the big hairy monster that Cash likes from the left side and has a swing tailor made for Yankee Stadium. Strikes out a ton, but since when has that been an issue for Brian.

    Johnson has good power from the right side, is 28 and can play 3b. He’s not the best around, not a huge OBP guy, but he would be a nice addition there.

    Maybe you can get the pair for something like Nunez, Bichette and a pitcher.

    Also, why not engage the Cubs on DeJesus – what could you possibly stand to lose?

    I should warn you, I’ve been up with a screaming baby since 4 am so my trades might get a little bit wonky(ier)

  11. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Yanks61-

    I’m not sure, but I think big insurance companies, like Lloyd’s of London, have either stopped giving disability insurance policies out altogether to cover these big contracts, or put a much lower limit on what they will pay.

    In real life companies pay something like 100% for the first 30 days of disability, 50% for days 31- thru 90, and if you can’t come back at all, 0% after 90 days.

    ARod would need to retire, in order to void the contract. Maybe the Yankees could offer him a limited partnership, select seats and a consultant job. He would net a windfall when the Yankees are sold in a few years.

  12. brianlopez22 December 4th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    blake –
    Atlanta was looking to use Ahmed to fish out JUpt.

    As Trader had menioned, Granderson only has 1 year left on his deal.
    If they don’t have some kind of extension clause built in, they’re not going to give away a top prospect.

  13. blake December 4th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    @Buster_ESPN: Team that’s viewed as most desperate for outfield help by rival officials at these meetings: The Phillies.

    They just don’t have a lot to offer…..

  14. blake December 4th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    “blake –
    Atlanta was looking to use Ahmed to fish out JUpt.”

    They want to deal Ahmed instead of Simmons and Towers says no….Ahmed was just in A ball last year so he’s not ready and Towers want a big league ready SS.

  15. blake December 4th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Obviously if the braves cave and deal Simmons for J Upton then that changes everything…..

  16. brianlopez22 December 4th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    blake –

    I totally agree with you, but that is how high they think of Ahmed.

    From a personal standpoint, we would also need a higher minor league SS prospect.
    Culver and Aune are both in A/A+ ball and have high upsides.

    I am wondering if a Granderson + Nova or Hughes + some other pieces can fish out a major league ready 3B prospect + low A pitching/SS prospects

  17. pat December 4th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    “….. does anyone know if they’ll recover some or all of the salary from insurance?”

    Ken Rosenthal said the Yankees have more than 70% of Alex’s contract insured.

  18. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Yanks61-

    I found an article on why the insurance companies are hesitant to cover the full amount of a professonal athletes disability.

    http://www.sadlersports.com/at.....htens.html

  19. blake December 4th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    “I am wondering if a Granderson + Nova or Hughes + some other pieces can fish out a major league ready 3B prospect + low A pitching/SS prospects”

    Hard to say….if the Rangers lose Hamilton maybe they’d do Granderson/ Nova or something for Olt…..who knows

  20. blake December 4th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    I’m guessing the insurance money on contracts doesn’t subtract anything from the AAV for luxury tax purposes?

  21. brianlopez22 December 4th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    blake -

    That is to say if Tyler Austin is truly no longer an option for 3B.
    He has been (at least that’s what I read) tearing up each level he’s reached

  22. LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Chip December 4th, 2012 at 6:40 am

    Napoli has had two above average offensive seasons in his career.

    ———–

    If by 2 you mean every season of his career, then yes I agree

  23. blake December 4th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Lets say Alex never could play again…..the Yanks get insurance money but Im guessing that doesn’t help anything regarding the luxury tax? Anybody know?

  24. blake December 4th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    I don’t think Austin could hack it at 3B at the pro level

  25. blake December 4th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    @Joelsherman1: Story http://t.co/MpzH0Ma2 #Yankees 3b options to bide time until A-Rod returns.

  26. brianlopez22 December 4th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    blake -

    That’s OK, we have a glaring need at RF as well.
    I know he’s barely been to AA, but I’d like to see what he has in spring training.

    Not to say that we depend on him for the season.
    Would be interesting to see how he hits major league pitching.

  27. MTU December 4th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Mop walk time.

    Later guys.

  28. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    If Rosenthal is right that 70% of ARods contract is covered, the insurance company would likely look for a way out.

    From the above posted article:

    “Some insurance companies will attempt to buy the business with lower quotes purely because of the high-profile nature of the market,” he says. “A claim can be devastating to a company that is not prepared for the impact of a multimillion-dollar loss.”

    Or a company could refuse the claim and take the match off the field and into the courtroom.

    The Houston Astros filed suit against Connecticut General Life Insurance Co. on April 17, 2006, claiming breach of contract over the insurance company’s denial of a claim for $15.6 million dollars for injured first baseman Jeff Bagwell.

    The team originally filed its claim in January, alleging that Bagwell’s right shoulder was too injured to play the current season, in hopes of recouping all or part of the $17 million owed to Bagwell under his current contract.

    The claim was denied in March. According to ESPN, the baseball team paid approximately $2.4 million in premium to Connecticut General for the policy.

  29. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Do we think any of these issues will be addressed this week? I doubt it. Cashman is still likely hoping the market crashes on a player or two he can pick up later.

  30. AAA December 4th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Lets say Alex never could play again…..the Yanks get insurance money but Im guessing that doesn’t help anything regarding the luxury tax? Anybody know?

    ==================================

    Aside from not having to pay those ridiculous home run bonuses, it does not.

  31. brianlopez22 December 4th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    YT – insurance companies are a scam. You buy their policies but they always refuse to pay up.

  32. Bucky December 4th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    My ranked priorities:

    1) RF. Go all in here – Hamilton. You can’t assume you can re-sign Cano for 2014, anyway, so cross the $189 bridge when you get to it.
    2) C. AJP for a 1 year deal. I love the idea of a lefty catcher that could platoon with Cervy or Romine.
    3) 3B. Give me Scutaro or Keppinger, someone that can back up the other IF positions if need be. Sign Chavy, too.
    4) DH – no problem bringing Ibanez back.
    5) Rotation depth. Need to control costs somewhere, and I think relying on Phelps to be your 6 guy and the AAA flavor of the month for your 7 guy is the way to go.

  33. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    It’s hard to judge what the Yankees could get back for Granderson. On the one hand, the fact that a marginal player with a good year under his belt like Pagan got $40 over 4 years makes the 1 year at $15 owed Granderson more attractive than what Swisher or Bourn might ask for. On the other hand, Granderson does have his flaws and his power might not play as well in other stadiums as it does in New York.

    People will naturally want to look at what the Twins got for Span and go from there, but I don’t think that’s apples to apples. Span is a different type of ball player – more a top of the order guy, and he’s signed to a reasonable contract for a couple of years. Granderson is an all or nothing slugger who is a free agent at the end of this year. Is there value there? Certainly. But I just don’t know how much.

    I don’t know if you can expect a couple of top prospects for him. I think a young major leaguer and a mid level prospect are pretty much the ceiling, and even then I think the Yankees would probably have to be willing to take back some money to maximize their return.

  34. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Blake-

    The only way to avoid the LT is for ARod to retire and forfeit the remaining monies due on the contract.

    Now if the Yankees make him a limited partner, with title of Consultant to the Owners, he could really be in line for a future windfall when as I believe, the Yankees are sold for Dr Evil’s BILLIONS! :)

  35. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Chip December 4th, 2012 at 6:40 am

    Napoli has had two above average offensive seasons in his career.

    ———–

    If by 2 you mean every season of his career, then yes I agree
    —————–

    He’s overrated garbage.

    The Angels weren’t wrong to dump him, they were wrong to take back Vernon Wells for him, but weren’t wrong to dump him.

  36. brianlopez22 December 4th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    As much as I hate to write this, this will probably be our offensive team starting the season:

    C – Romine
    1B – Tex
    2B – Cano
    SS – Jeter
    vs RHP 3B – Chavez
    vs LHP 3B – (Scutaro or Keppinger or Rolen)
    LF – Granderson
    CF – Gardner
    RF – Ichiro or Shierholtz

    Backup C – Stewart
    Backup IF – Nunez
    Backup OF – Ibanez

    And that’s me, wishfully thinking that they just give the C job to Romine.

  37. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Have to go for a while.

    Hope “Brain” Cashman makes us happy today.

    Have a great day everone. Chip-hope the baby has settled down.

    As always, enjoy the give and take with all of you.

    Until later.

    Blake-Keep us up to the minute with updates from Nashville.

  38. LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    He’s overrated garbage.

    The Angels weren’t wrong to dump him, they were wrong to take back Vernon Wells for him, but weren’t wrong to dump him.

    ———————-

    WHAT?

    Career .259/.356/.507 126 OPS+ hitter.

  39. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Re: Napoli -

    And what’s more, his swing and approach would be lead to nothing but frustration in Yankee Stadium. I agree with whomever said it, that in Boston he’ll bang doubles off the wall and homers over it. In Yankee Stadium those would be weak fly balls to left and left center.

    Plus he is such a bad defensive player that even DH is a stretch for his fielding abilities.

  40. LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    CAIRO had Napoli projected at .250/.344/.493 if he was on the Yankees next year.

    So basically he would have projected to be their 2nd best hitter.

  41. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    He’s overrated garbage.

    The Angels weren’t wrong to dump him, they were wrong to take back Vernon Wells for him, but weren’t wrong to dump him.

    ———————-

    WHAT?

    Career .259/.356/.507 126 OPS+ hitter.
    —————-

    Yes but only 4 seasons of over 100 games played and in 2 of those 4 he was brutal. He benefited from the fact that his manager in Los Angeles knew enough to not let him get over-exposed and played him primarily against LHP.

    He’s overrated and the more regularly he plays the worse he’s going to look.

  42. LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Guess you’ve never watched Napoli hit. Dude has legit oppo field power.

    In fact, he had the same amount of HRs to LF and RF last year in Arlington.

  43. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    CAIRO had Napoli projected at .250/.344/.493 if he was on the Yankees next year.

    So basically he would have projected to be their 2nd best hitter.
    —————-

    Based on what? Hopes and dreams? If Napoli was a Yankee next year his slash line would look shockingly similar to Russ Martin’s from last year.

  44. LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Yes but only 4 seasons of over 100 games played and in 2 of those 4 he was brutal.

    ———————–

    Seasons with greater than 100 games played

    .263 .354 .513

  45. LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Based on what? Hopes and dreams? If Napoli was a Yankee next year his slash line would look shockingly similar to Russ Martin’s from last year.

    —————–

    What do you think is more accurate? CAIRO projections or the nonsense you are spewing?

  46. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Guess you’ve never watched Napoli hit. Dude has legit oppo field power.

    In fact, he had the same amount of HRs to LF and RF last year in Arlington.
    ——————

    In part because LF in Arlington is as much a joke as RF in Yankee stadium. Look, even dead pull hitters like Napoli are going to mistake a few the opposite way, that’s not at issue, I’ve seen Tex hit opposite field homeruns by accident too.

    Napoli’s LF power would evaporate at Yankee Stadium. That’s what makes him worthless as a Yankee.

  47. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Yes but only 4 seasons of over 100 games played and in 2 of those 4 he was brutal.

    ———————–

    Seasons with greater than 100 games played

    .263 .354 .513
    ————-

    Take out the obvious outlier in 2011 and what do you have?

  48. brianlopez22 December 4th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Bottom line, Napoli is horrible behind the plate.
    Where do you play him in return for his .250 average?
    Its one thing if you’re hitting 300+ with 25 dingers and a terrible defensive catcher.
    But .250 with 25? I just don’t see him as a fit here.

  49. LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Napoli’s LF power would evaporate at Yankee Stadium. That’s what makes him worthless as a Yankee.

    ——————

    What are you even saying?

    He’s a dead pull hitter but his power to LF where you are saying he will be hitting everything will be worthless?

  50. LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Take out the obvious outlier in 2011 and what do you have?

    ——————–

    Why would you remove a player’s best season?

    Anyway, take it out and you have Mark Teixiera last season.

  51. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Based on what? Hopes and dreams? If Napoli was a Yankee next year his slash line would look shockingly similar to Russ Martin’s from last year.

    —————–

    What do you think is more accurate? CAIRO projections or the nonsense you are spewing?
    ————–

    I don’t know (nor do I particularly care) what CAIRO is or where they get their projections.

    Your original statement was that based on his hit tool and contract you would take Napoli over Tex and I find that completely laughable. His “hit tool” is insanely influenced by some small sample sizes early in his career and one tremendous season that he is unlikely to duplicate and given his inability to field coupled with putting him in a stadium that is ill suited for him, I wouldn’t take him over Tex regardless of contract.

  52. John in Ohio December 4th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    Great stuff, Chad. As always.

    As far as third goes, I say sign Chavez, who seems to love his role with the Yankees, and platoon him and Nunez. Yes, Nunez’ defense has been atrocious, but as I remember everyone was basically shocked by that. Am I remembering that correctly? Wasn’t defense a strong point for him when advancing through the minors?

    Give him another chance as a platoon man at third. He can really hit. And he can fly. He brings a lot to the Yankees’ line-up.

  53. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Take out the obvious outlier in 2011 and what do you have?

    ——————–

    Why would you remove a player’s best season?

    Anyway, take it out and you have Mark Teixiera last season.
    ———————-

    Take it out because it’s not like it was slightly better than his typical season, it was leaps and bounds better than his typical season and thus he’s not likely to repeat it.

    So essentially what you have is a guy who, on average, is Mark Teixiera in a down year. Why would you want that over Tex?

  54. LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    So essentially what you have is a guy who, on average, is Mark Teixiera in a down year. Why would you want that over Tex?

    ————————

    Probably because he makes about $10M less than Tex and brings the ability to play C.

  55. LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Not to mention Tex is trending downward.

    Tell you this right now. Napoli will out OPS Tex next season.

  56. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    So essentially what you have is a guy who, on average, is Mark Teixiera in a down year. Why would you want that over Tex?

    ————————

    Probably because he makes about $10M less than Tex and brings the ability to play C.
    ——————

    That’s like saying Jim Thome has the ability to play 1b.

  57. LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    That’s like saying Jim Thome has the ability to play 1b.

    ——————-

    Except Napoli is not that bad behind the plate and people are letting Scioscia’s horrible decision to play Jeff Mathis over him influence how they view his defense.

    Napoli is a below average, but big league catcher. Thome is not a big league 1B.

  58. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Not to mention Tex is trending downward.

    Tell you this right now. Napoli will out OPS Tex next season.
    —————-

    I don’t doubt it – I think Napoli was a fantastic signing for Boston because he fits that stadium perfectly. That does not mean he would have been a good sign for the Yankees. I mean, it’s possible that if Boston signs him, Jason Bay would out OPS Tex next season just by banging balls off the wall 81 games a year, doesn’t mean he should be signed by the Yankees either.

  59. blake December 4th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Here is the difference:

    Napoli is owed 3/39. Tex is owed 4/92.

    That’s a difference 53 million dollars…. Heck if you’re concerned about Napoli’s defense you could take that extra money and go sign Laroche who is a gold glover and who was actually a better hitter than Tex last year.

    Id rather have Tex in a vacuum than Napoli….but when you consider who much more he’s owed it’s a no brainer to me.

  60. LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    I don’t doubt it – I think Napoli was a fantastic signing for Boston because he fits that stadium perfectly. That does not mean he would have been a good sign for the Yankees. I mean, it’s possible that if Boston signs him, Jason Bay would out OPS Tex next season just by banging balls off the wall 81 games a year, doesn’t mean he should be signed by the Yankees either.

    —————-

    So you called Napoli an overrated garbage player but now saying he was a fantastic signing by Boston.

    You really think his numbers will be entirely a product of Fenway? A guy that hit significantly better on the road last season away from hitter friendly Arlington.

    Hilarious.

  61. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    That’s like saying Jim Thome has the ability to play 1b.

    ——————-

    Except Napoli is not that bad behind the plate and people are letting Scioscia’s horrible decision to play Jeff Mathis over him influence how they view his defense.

    Napoli is a below average, but big league catcher. Thome is not a big league 1B.
    ————–

    It’s not just Scioscia – The only reason that Napoli caught as much as he did last season was because Yorvit Torrealba and Geovanni Soto are offensive wastelands.

  62. LGY December 4th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Oh so Napoli caught a decent amount last year b/c most catchers are offensive wastelands?

    Wow. Shocking. It’s almost like his hit tool and ability to play a passable catcher brings value and versatility to a team.

  63. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    LGY December 4th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    I don’t doubt it – I think Napoli was a fantastic signing for Boston because he fits that stadium perfectly. That does not mean he would have been a good sign for the Yankees. I mean, it’s possible that if Boston signs him, Jason Bay would out OPS Tex next season just by banging balls off the wall 81 games a year, doesn’t mean he should be signed by the Yankees either.

    —————-

    So you called Napoli an overrated garbage player but now saying he was a fantastic signing by Boston.

    You really think his numbers will be entirely a product of Fenway? A guy that hit significantly better on the road last season away from hitter friendly Arlington.

    Hilarious.
    —————–

    I do think Napoli is overrated garbage but I think he went to one of the few situations where he will be able to excel. To me there were three spots that made sense for Napoli; Boston, Texas or Philadelphia.

    If he hadn’t been traded by the Jays to the Rangers he would have maybe gotten a contract similar to Martin’s.

  64. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Napoli has signed. Let’s think about available players.

    Scutaro, Drew and Nakajima all seem like possibilities except they will all likely get more than one year and want to start. Drew apparently wants three years.

    If Cashman can improve the team much without spending money or contracting into 2014, I will be shocked. I just don’t think he has enough flexibility for more than Ichiro, Ibanez, a Barajas type and youth at third.

    No one who can get multi-years will sign for one year. Who would?

  65. LGY December 4th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    If he hadn’t been traded by the Jays to the Rangers he would have maybe gotten a contract similar to Martin’s.

    ——————-

    Napoli has hit significantly BETTER away from Arlington than at home the past 2 years!

  66. blake December 4th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Tex’s contract is really bad right now….no other way to look at it ….they need more from him than a low .800s OPS and a good glove at 1B.

    Not trying to trash Tex…..but they didn’t sign him to have one good season then fall off

  67. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    LGY December 4th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Oh so Napoli caught a decent amount last year b/c most catchers are offensive wastelands?

    Wow. Shocking. It’s almost like his hit tool and ability to play a passable catcher brings value and versatility to a team.
    ——————

    I didn’t say he was passable at catcher, I said that the fact that Washington’s other options weren’t major league quality left him little choice, as did the fact that he had a full time DH (Young) and a promising player at 1b (Moreland) which meant that the only way to get Napoli into the lineup was by sucking it up and hoping he didn’t cost you more runs than he earned you.

    The fact that Washington kept giving starts to guys he knew couldn’t hit at all just to get Napoli out from behind the plate should be all you need to know about his lack of defensive ability.

  68. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    blake December 4th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Tex’s contract is really bad right now….no other way to look at it ….they need more from him than a low .800s OPS and a good glove at 1B.

    Not trying to trash Tex…..but they didn’t sign him to have one good season then fall off
    ————-

    I agree that Tex’s contract is bad – I would still rather have him than a guy who would hit like Martin but field like Giambi for 13 m/year which is what Napoli would represent.

  69. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Morning all!!

    Not to break up this thrill ride of a conversation, but does anyone here have Apple tv lol?

    I keep trying to get my cable company to lower my monthly payments but they said there’s not a whole lot they can do when all you have is the basic package :|

    Thank god being great is a state of mind and has nothing to do with money because this b*tch is broke but still utterly fantastic.

  70. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    No one who can get multi-years will sign for one year. Who would?
    ————

    Agreed which is also why I think you can take Keppinger off the list.

  71. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    I’d really like to see them try Nakajima out but I can’t see the guy signing with us after last season.

  72. LGY December 4th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    Napoli Away Games 2011-2012: .290/.383/.582

    Napoli Home Games 2011-2012: .259/.376/.521

    But according to Chip the only reason he got a big contract is because he was traded to Texas.

  73. LGY December 4th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Russell Martin had a .723 OPS in his 2 years with the Yankees.

    Yeah sure, Napoli is going to fall 140 points from his career OPS to that by playing in YS.

  74. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    LGY December 4th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    Napoli Away Games 2011-2012: .290/.383/.582

    Napoli Home Games 2011-2012: .259/.376/.521

    But according to Chip the only reason he got a big contract is because he was traded to Texas.
    —————————

    Napoli’s going to do very well for Boston.

    He’s still overrated garbage and would have sucked as a Yankee.

  75. AAA December 4th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    I would still rather have him than a guy who would hit like Martin

    ==================================

    You’re all wet on the Napoli hits like Martin theory. Napoli has a career OPS of .863, some 110 points higher than Martin’s .751. In fact, Martin has never OPS’d as high as .863 in any season and has only cleared Napoli’s career low of .784 twice in his career.

  76. brianlopez22 December 4th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Why are we still talking about Napoli?
    Some of us think he is an average to good offensive player with way below average catching skills.
    Others think he is a servicable catcher with good offensive skills.
    He signed with Boston. period. end of story.

    Next potential free agent please.

  77. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Chip,

    Why would it be bad for the team to sign someone into 2014 or beyond if it was a reasonable contract for a helpful player? Aren’t they going to have to sign players to reasonable contracts in the future?

    I get they don’t want to tie their hands, but but I think they will be more tied with many holes again next year and too few players on the market to fill them. Then what?

  78. LGY December 4th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    He’s still overrated garbage and would have sucked as a Yankee.

    ——————-

    Please feel free to make a dumber argument

  79. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Chip,

    Why would it be bad for the team to sign someone into 2014 or beyond if it was a reasonable contract for a helpful player? Aren’t they going to have to sign players to reasonable contracts in the future?

    ————————

    Yeah I dunno how having us only do one year deals helps at all.. it’s gonna cripple us next year when we have the exact same problems. Nakajima would have been so awesome… I love saying ‘Nakajima’.

  80. ac1 December 4th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    this is part of the new yankee problem. they are going year to year now and every off season we will have this same problem needing to replace 5-10 players….

  81. The Return of Stoneburner December 4th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Wow, woke up and nothing has changed since last night – no new RF, 3b, and we are still debating the merits of Napoil versus Teixeira – - – -

  82. Against All Odds December 4th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    The Return of Stoneburner December 4th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Wow, woke up and nothing has changed since last night – no new RF, 3b, and we are still debating the merits of Napoil versus Teixeira – – – -

    ——————

    All is right with the world

  83. brianlopez22 December 4th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    “Please feel free to make a dumber argument”

    Its over. He signed. Next FA please.
    What do you think about Stephen Drew vs Scutaro vs Rolen?

  84. Against All Odds December 4th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    ac1 December 4th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    this is part of the new yankee problem. they are going year to year now and every off season we will have this same problem needing to replace 5-10 players…

    ———————

    The ideal situation is some of the players become replacements and eventually long term solutions but we know how things don’t always go according to plan.

  85. ac1 December 4th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    now that they are so focused on their current needs, we won’t get a cano extension, even a hughes extension. they will all become FAs and become way overpriced..

  86. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Brian,

    Count me in as not wanting to talk about Napoli. However, the reason fo rthe discussion is there is never any Yankee news or at least good news.

    I disagree with your earlier statements about the disability insurance. I spend my life involved in similar issues. I would happily sue, and win, if AROD can’t play and they don’t pay. I do believe the Astros ultimately recovered from their carrier.

  87. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Isn’t Rolen retiring for health reasons?

  88. DONNYBROOK December 4th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    On the subject of voiding A-Rod’s contract, if I’m the Yanks I would be looking into whether the current hip problem was created by some sorta activity A-Rod participated in recently. I assume the Yanks have different activities spelled out in his contract that he can Not participate in. They voided Boone’s contract for playing basketball, and something of the same order could be involved here. As I said yesterday, a torn labrum is NO Minor injury, and since A-Rod had suffered this injury previously, and endured the pain, he shoulda known immediately what was going on with his other hip when it initially started acting up. As is usually the case with Anything involving A-Rod, the story we are being fed just doesn’t sit right.

  89. CountryClub December 4th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Jon Morosi ?@jonmorosi
    Keep an eye on Mike Olt at the winter meetings. One rival club official believes #Rangers are willing to trade him.

  90. yankee21 December 4th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    For the $, I’d rather have Napoli + fill in the blank 1b who is league average instead of a .240 hitting 1b making 23m who refuses to make adjustments. And it ain’t even close.

  91. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Let’s put the Napoli thing in context:

    If the Yankees signed him, where does he play? Not first base; Tex is vastly superior there. Not DH because you’ve got a 38 year old with bad hips who is going to need that spot. So you’re talking about catcher only. So much for his “versatility” (versatility is in quotes because it really means “He’s such a butcher defensively that we can’t find a position to play him in on an every day basis”)

    So now you’ve committed $39 mil over 3 years to a bad defensive catcher in his 30s. That always ends well because, as you know, catchers generally improve with age.

    The Yankees just let go a younger catcher who is equally capable of hitting in the low .200′s with 20 HR and play good defense behind the plate for $20 mil less than what Napoli signed for – how would that have been a wise investment?

  92. brianlopez22 December 4th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    austinmac,

    I was just saying that insurance companies will do whatever they can to discredit a claim (regardless of the platform), even though you have paid them the premiums.
    Just my gripe at insurance companies in general.
    The Yankees have a terrific legal team and will probably win any countersuits by the insurance company.

    I just want to talk about possible solutions to our many problems.
    Napoli is gone. He will be putting dents in the green monster for 3 years.
    In my opinion, Another average RH hitter that will be made great by the 250 foot fence in Boston. Just like we have lots of average lefty hitters resurrect their careers with the 314 foor sign.

  93. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Any predictions if the Yankees make any moves before the meeting ends? Not necessarily the details but whether they will act on anything.

    I predict it “is still early”, “the prices are still too high” and “patience is a virtue”.

    I would counter by saying “no, it isn’t”, “the prices are what they will be” and “not while helpful players are going elsewhere”.

  94. Triple Short of a Cycle December 4th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Since when does Martin play good defense? Average I would say but not good

  95. AAA December 4th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    On the subject of voiding A-Rod’s contract

    ========================

    Don’t even bother.

  96. brianlopez22 December 4th, 2012 at 10:40 am


    Jon Morosi ?@jonmorosi
    Keep an eye on Mike Olt at the winter meetings. One rival club official believes #Rangers are willing to trade him.

    I know he struggled, but this would be a great move for the Yankees future.
    They have no real 3B propects for the next 4 years (Dante Bichette Jr is still in low A ball).

  97. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    I don’t get the insurance thing :/

  98. Howe Farr December 4th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    ” I would be looking into whether the current hip problem was created by some sorta activity A-Rod participated in recently. ”

    Hmmm, I like this idea, I would start by looking at something Arod has been doing for the past 30 years, swinging a bat violently….I think you are onto something!

  99. blake December 4th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    CountryClub says:
    December 4, 2012 at 10:36 am
    Jon Morosi ?@jonmorosi
    Keep an eye on Mike Olt at the winter meetings. One rival club official believes #Rangers are willing to trade him.

    Get him please!

  100. blake December 4th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    @BNightengale: The #Dbacks have been very aggresssive at winter meetings shopping RF Justin Upton, but no team has stepped up to give them frontline SS

  101. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    :arrow:

    Convo goin on over here..

  102. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Shame,

    What don’t you get? If AROD is disabled for a sufficient period(whatever the agreement says), then the company is obligated to pay them a % of his salary.

    His salary is still on the books and chargeable to the Yankees, but it is less money ultimately out of their pocket.

  103. blake December 4th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Olt is ready to step in now and play 3B…..he’s not a star player I don’t think but he’s probably goin to be a good regular and he’s controllable for 6 years.

    I think the Rangers are thinking about moving Kinsler to 1b to make room for Profar and that’ d leave nowhere to play Olt….

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