Mid-day notes and links: All about third base
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 04, 2012 
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Just ran into Casey McGehee here at the Opryland. He lives close to Nashville and decided to stop by the meetings. He’s a free agent looking for a job. Speaking of third basemen…
• Back in New York, Wally Matthews writes that the Yankees have insurance coverage on a large portion of Alex Rodriguez’s contract. However, it cash in on the policy, the Yankees would have to lose Rodriguez for an entire season. That doesn’t seem likely with his upcoming hip surgery.
• Speaking of the third base situation, Jack Curry says the Yankees have talked to the agent for Kevin Youkilis, who’s willing to consider a one-year deal at the right price. As I write all the time in the winter, the Yankees talk to just about everyone.
• Buster Olney hears that Stephen Drew isn’t likely to accept a third base or utility job with the Yankees. He apparently has his heart set on finding an everyday job at shortstop.
• Here’s Jeff Keppinger’s name popping up again. He does seem to make a lot of sense given the Yankees need for infield depth. Not sure he’s much of a shortstop at this point, but he’s coming off a nice enough year to suggest he could fill in at third while Rodriguez is on the DL.
• According to Olney, the bidding for Marco Scutaro is pretty high. Olney hears it’s as high as three years, $24 million. Surely that’s too rich for the Yankees desires. If he’s really going for that much, it’s hard to see him landing with the Yankees.
It’s like Scutaro’s 30, not 36.
@Ken_Rosenthal
#Indians’ efforts to trade Choo hampered somewhat by Twins’ return for Span: Class A pitcher, albeit good one. Span 3 yrs of control, Choo 1
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Good, lets get Choo for Warren+some A ball scrub
Choo might be the best buy on a decent outfielder
3/24 for Scutero is madness…..he’s never had a deal that long in his career…..what a WS can do
@JonHeymanCBS
Victorino appears to be down to 3 teams, the indians, red sox and a 3rd team. not a true mystery team, I just don’t know it
I love Heyman’s commentary on the mystery team..
@EyeOnBaseball
. @JonHeymanCBS has the details on the Rangers’ talks with Josh Hamilton: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b.....re-talking …
If you click the link, it says “Hamilton and Rangers are talking”
I love the off season because I love the reporting.
3/$24 for scutaro just proves the ‘one idiot’ theory…
It’s all good, we don’t really need in-field depth.. someone get Arod the soundtrack to Flashdance and we’ll be totally fine… totally fine..
Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal
Value of players under one year of control diminished. #Indians’ Choo, represented by Scott Boras, is free agent after next season
This was the Yanks’ offer to Russ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMCdQ_1IOxM
@Ken_Rosenthal
Price for Keppinger, according to official of one club involved in talks, is now at $8M for two years. #Yankees among teams with interest.
Keppinger looking for 2/$8M
Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal
Price for Keppinger, according to official of one club involved in talks, is now at $8M for two years. #Yankees among teams with interest.
Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal
Value of players under one year of control diminished. #Indians’ Choo, represented by Scott Boras, is free agent after next season
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Well so much for trading Cano for a good return – - – -
@Ken_Rosenthal: Value of players under one year of control diminished. #Indians’ Choo, represented by Scott Boras, is free agent after next season.
2:30pm: The bidding for Keppinger is in the neighborhood of $8MM for two years, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter).
12:58pm: The Yankees have very strong interest in free agent infielder Jeff Keppinger, tweets Yahoo’s Jeff Passan. The team met with his agent yesterday, as Alex Rodriguez’s injury has accelerated their timetable. Keppinger is recovering from a significant injury in his own right, a broken fibula, but it hasn’t seemed to affect free agent interest much.
2/8 should be doable
Cano is viewed as a much more premium player than Choo….even if its probably not as wide a gap as it appears
blake December 4th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
2/8 should be doable
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One would think lol
watch we get outbid by the Pirates again………..haaaaaaaa
2/8 should be doable
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Not for us. Nothing over 1 year
AndrewMarchand Hearing Yankees are looking into adding an asst. hitting coach to pair with Kevin Long
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And the lohud will rejoice – - – -
Give him 2/10 and get it over with. Although again, I would rather play Adams at 3B.
What’s the deal with Choo’s mandatory Korean military service? Did he get excused?
Cano is viewed as a much more premium player than Choo….even if its probably not as wide a gap as it appears
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Yanks are not getting good value if they trade Cano – unless the team acquiring him feels good about doing business with Boras. Dodgers, Tigers, Nats – - – -
The Return of Stoneburner December 4th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
AndrewMarchand Hearing Yankees are looking into adding an asst. hitting coach to pair with Kevin Long
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And the lohud will rejoice – – – -
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They might be talking about Arod
AndrewMarchand profile
AndrewMarchand Hearing Yankees are looking into adding an asst. hitting coach to pair with Kevin Long
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Whoever wanted Long to get a caddy got their wish
AndrewMarchand Hearing Yankees are looking into adding an asst. hitting coach to pair with Kevin Long.
Is Blind Pew available?
Assistant Hitting coach is cool.
AndrewMarchand Hearing Yankees are looking into adding an asst. hitting coach to pair with Kevin Long.
Is Blind Pew available?
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This is just me – they should trade for Jesus Montero and lit him be the asst. hitting coach – - – -
Assistant to the hitting coach – man – make me want to watch some Office – assistant to the regional manager – - – -
Mike in Harrisburg December 4th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
What’s the deal with Choo’s mandatory Korean military service? Did he get excused?
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I think he is excused
“Yanks are not getting good value if they trade Cano – unless the team acquiring him feels good about doing business with Boras. Dodgers, Tigers, Nats – – – -”
They’d get more than Choo will bring but yea I don’t think they’d get fair value
@JimBowdenESPNxm: The Nationals have taken over the Yankees philosophy as Davey Johnson said today: “it’s World Series or bust”
New mantra: 189 or bust
Cano is viewed as a much more premium player than Choo….even if its probably not as wide a gap as it appears
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The gap is wide because he plays legit GG 2nd base. He also doesnt have a career platoon split (since I expect him to be on the Yanks in 2013, I’m assuming last year was a fluke).
Just throwing stuff out there – but is anyone slightly worried that the Yanks have strong interest in a 3b option who is also recovering this offseason in Keppinger???
CHOOOOO
@JimBowdenESPNxm: The Nationals have taken over the Yankees philosophy as Davey Johnson said today: “it’s World Series or bust”
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Just like every other team that dives into the deep water, that mantra will last a couple of years and then they’ll crawl back to just wanting to be competitive.
The gap is wide because he plays legit GG 2nd base. He also doesnt have a career platoon split (since I expect him to be on the Yanks in 2013, I’m assuming last year was a fluke).
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Yeah – but as far as trade partners and getting good/fair value – the gap b/w Cano versus someone with a non-Boras agent and more than 1 year of control appears to be growing – trading Cano only appears to make sense to a few teams in order to get the kind of return you would expect from his type of talent – - – -
Yanks have known about A-Rod’s hip since early Nov. The only thing that has accelerated their filling this hole, is that the injury became public knowledge. Now they are operating while precariously perched over a barrel. DUMB
Trade for CHOOOO, sign HAMILTON, trade Granderson
Will they fire Rizzo and Davey if they won’t make/win the World Series?
Sounds like another fake mantra.
A Keppinger/Adams, or Keppinger/Chavez platoon at 3rd would be great.
Looks like I might get at least one of my OS wishes.
Do it Cash.
Tired of hearing about these bit players like Keppinger, Youk, etc.
This team needs a difference maker to revive the offense, especially since they are losing a big bat in Swisher.
JOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LGY-
That will be the OF piece.
Hal is counting his pennies
This team needs a difference maker to revive the offense, especially since they are losing a big bat in Swisher.
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And Martin even though he sucked
@BNightengale: Josh Hamilton told the #Rangers that he will come back to them to discuss a final offer before leaving for any team, Ron Washington says.
“Ron Washington outwardly excited with us about the possibility of trading for a talent of the level of a Justin Upton #SiriusXMSports #ESPN ”
Ummmm, then why isn’t Elvis a DBack yet?
LGY,
I’m now getting excited over a lifetime utility infielder. Meanwhile, the Rangers and Dodgers are in on everyone. What is the big, hairy team down on homers? 80+?
Can we be the mystery team this year?
Fans of the Rangers are not all that excited at getting Hamilton back. Consensus is 4 years max but many are still bitter at how the end of the season went down last year.
Don’t re-sign there Josh. Come to the Big Apple!
“The gap is wide because he plays legit GG 2nd base. He also doesnt have a career platoon split (since I expect him to be on the Yanks in 2013, I’m assuming last year was a fluke).”
Canonis better obviously ….I just said the gap between value probably isn’t as wide as I seems….Choo is pretty close to an elite hitter himself vs RHP and gets on base more than Cano….can steal bases…..Cano hits lefties better (usually) and plays a more premium position
LGY says:
December 4, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Trade for CHOOOO, sign HAMILTON, trade Granderson
THIS.!!
Sox offered Victorino 3/38?
Man what a year to be a free agent….
Hamilton, Garner , Choo. Sign Hairston to platoon. Boom
3/38 for Victorino has the potential to be really bad
“Man what a year to be a free agent….”
It’s why I said trading is the way forward.
FA prices are too high with the Yankees limited budget.
I’ve never seen a market this strong for mediocre players…..I think part of it is how weak the market is and the other part is that teams are just loaded with money to spend
Josh still working for more $$$$$……….. PLEASE CASHMAN WAKE FROM YOUR NAP!!!!
Finding a 4-tool (speed is iffy) 2B is very hard to do.
We developed one. So keep him.
Give him his money and stop this trade Cano talk.
Where’s Hank on this 189 mm?
You can’t keep saying this when you have ARod, Tex, CC, and jeter on payroll.
Wait 4 years, we will have Heathcott, Mason Williams, Tyler Austin, Gary Sanchez, and others ready to contribute.
189 mm will be easier at this point.
For now,
Give Cano his money
Hamilton a 4 year deal with 5th year option
Trade Granderson
Sign Ichiro
Win the WS and let Andy, Kuroda, Ichiro, and Mo their retirement gifts! – WS rings!
” Nick in SF December 4th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Will they fire Rizzo and Davey if they won’t make/win the World Series?
Sounds like another fake mantra.”
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rizzo is golden and they already announced that davey’s getting ‘kicked upstairs’ next season, so of course it’s WS or bust for him in his last year as a manager.
@KenDavidoff: The #Yankees have met with Eric Chavez’s agent Scott Leventhal here in Nashville & expressed an interest in bringing back the 3B.
Bold!
DKnobler ?@DKnobler
While Rangers are meeting with Hamilton, as @JonHeymanCBS reported, Mariners still seem to think they have a chance at him.
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Chavez makes sense here. I would prefer Chavez/Adams/Nunez instead of Keppinger, Youkilis, etc…
evan roberts was saying on WFAN the other day that teams have a huge payout from tv money coming before this season, a big increase. im not sure of the specifics but they seem to be spending like they all have huge checks coming.
also the dodger’s sale obviously raised franchise values across the board.
ac1,
Me too.
The willingness of teams to spend are killing the Yankee plans to sign players that fit the budget. They held some hope, I think, for guys like Victorino. I suspect they are on a out plan Z by now.
Thanks goodness McGehee is still available. Plus, the Rule 5 draft.
chavez is unavailable too many games to be the starter. thats why they needed mcgehee last season. if they get a starter who can be counted on then chavez is fine. if they are going to patch it together and use thier organization guys, chavez is a bad idea.
DKnobler ?@DKnobler
While Rangers are meeting with Hamilton, as @JonHeymanCBS reported, Mariners still seem to think they have a chance at him.
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Mariners remind me of Jim Carrey from Dumb and Dumber – - – - -there’s a chance – - – -
evan roberts was saying on WFAN the other day that teams have a huge payout from tv money coming before this season, a big increase. im not sure of the specifics but they seem to be spending like they all have huge checks coming.
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Starting in 2014 teams get an extra 25 million per year from the MLB national TV deal. Thats not 25 mil per year, but an EXTRA 25 mil ontop of what they were already getting.
Choo is also very good defensively.
Swisher is going to make a lot of money one way or the other. Good for him.
From Evil Empire to Meager Empire…
But I hope my dad, once he retires, comes on here as Shame Victorino… so there’s that to look forward to! Imagine having two Shames??
NO ONE TAKE THAT HANDLE.
No one.
(I’m talking to you, Dodgers.)
austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
The willingness of teams to spend are killing the Yankee plans to sign players that fit the budget. They held some hope, I think, for guys like Victorino. I suspect they are on a out plan Z by now.
Thanks goodness McGehee is still available. Plus, the Rule 5 draft.
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Still hoping the Yankees swoop in on Hamilton and if the Rangers trade for Upton it’s to replace him rather than add to him … …
chavez is unavailable too many games to be the starter. thats why they needed mcgehee last season. if they get a starter who can be counted on then chavez is fine. if they are going to patch it together and use thier organization guys, chavez is a bad idea.
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This is why they should have him and let Nunez, Adams and Musteiler duke it out for sharing 3rd with him…… Focus on RF and trading Granderson.
blake December 4th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
3/38 for Victorino has the potential to be really bad
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Theo may be gone but the same people who made bad decisions 2 years ago are making them now.
The only people who should be happy about this deal are Nick Swisher and Mike Bourn
rumor has it the price on Keppinger is 2 years 4/year – hopefully the Yanks will meet that.
But I’m expecting pretty much nothing at this point
So far we have heard the Yankees have met with Chavez and Keppinger. Thank you for demonstrating that insatiable desire to win. Did I forget Youk? Two guys with bad backs and a utility infielder with a broken fibula.
I just hope they have enough money for those two.
Now, the Yankees one track mind seems to be on 3B. Too bad they haven’t been noted to have contacted a catcher or outfielder. Multi tasking is bad.
blake December 4th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Still hoping the Yankees swoop in on Hamilton and if the Rangers trade for Upton it’s to replace him rather than add to him … …
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I’ve resigned myself to the fact that they’re getting both.
Remember when we used to be the team getting both and other fans were all mad about it?
…is this what karma feels like?!
F*ck karma.
…is this what karma feels like?!
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Yes and it stings doesn’t it
I’m surprised they’d go after Victorino over Swish, tbh..
How bout this :
Keppinger and Chavez 3B platoon.
AJ P
Choo/Hairston platoon
What would be so bad about that ?
It’s doable.
I think those additions would really improve the O.
@DKnobler
Giants want to keep winning gang together, but face Scutaro competition from Cardinals, Yankees, maybe others. http://cbsprt.co
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…no one knows our price range is a pack of Bubble Yum?
AAO,
They may be selling them at the stadium next year. Clever new marketing to increase profits.
chavez is unavailable too many games to be the starter. thats why they needed mcgehee last season. if they get a starter who can be counted on then chavez is fine. if they are going to patch it together and use thier organization guys, chavez is a bad idea.
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Hairston doesnt want to platoon
AJ may not want a 1 year deal (who do we have to catch in 2014?)
Who are we trading for Choo and will be get bent over trying?
Keppinger is coming off surgery too. I dont get all of this love for him….
@KenDavidoff
The #Mets have contemplated the idea of signing Mark Reynolds to play OF. His price ($7 mil-ish) might be too high, though.
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Did he say Mets?? I think Davidoff is confused.
austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
AAO,
They may be selling them at the stadium next year. Clever new marketing to increase profits.
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They might. It would be another product to line their pockets.
@acomak
This was indeed said. RT @zuckermancsn: Actual, verbatim quote from Davey Johnson today: “Whatever I do, I’ll probably be successful at it.”
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I’m starting to love Davey Johnson.
Davey Johnson is being great right now.
MTU,
I support the plan. Don’t get too big headed as I support about any plan involving acquiring capable major league players.
im not sure of the specifics but they seem to be spending like they all have huge checks coming.
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Yet, the Yankees are slashing payroll.
DKnobler ?@DKnobler
While Rangers are meeting with Hamilton, as @JonHeymanCBS reported, Mariners still seem to think they have a chance at him.
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Not that I really believe there’s a chance (and, even if there is, not sure it’s worth the $$$ and the risk) but, I did see this yesterday….
http://tinyurl.com/aoqqkxj
If the org. and Arod determine he’s finished it obviously opens not just additional dollars for FA,but for our own FA Cano. Moving him to third and finding through FA or trade a capable young middle infielder.
There are some decent prospects in the system but it’s really not known how much the org. values them. On another note,I still believe Granderson is in play to be traded. We should be able to secure at least two MLB ready minor leaguers with immediate call up potential.
As posted many times by this writer and others,the deal with Detroit can be safely termed a disaster. Cashman has had several of these and his performance this year and next should determine his fate,up or down.
ac-
Hairston may not want to but many teams may see him that way so that’s up to him
Then again AJ P might take a 1 yr. Romine is the BUC this season.
Should be ready for FT time duty next year.
Choo is a rental. They can’t get the moon.
Keppinger is exactly the type of ballplayer this O needs. A grinder who hits for avg. Professional hitter. We’d be lucky to get him.
Who cares whether Chavez is coming back or not? The guy may be OK as a bench player but he isn’t going to be the difference between winning and losing. And lest we forget, he was just as bad as ARod and Swish in the post-season.
The winter meetings – the most important time in the off season – and we’re supposed to be excited about the prospect of Eric Chavez coming back. Really?
Headley on MLB Network. Man I would like to have that guy for sure.
He even just now picked up a GIBBY for breakout best hitter.
keppinger is a career part timer journeyman who’s only played more than 121 games once in his career. fortunately for him, he was hit with some fairy dust in tampa last year and turned into a .325 hitter.
rumor has it that his price right now is up to about 2/$16M. how bad do you really want this guy?
Re: Youklis,the guy for all his idiosynchracies is a gamer.
Perhaps a decent fill in for a year,he still has some juice and playing in NY might be just the tonic to rejuvenate his game!
The only problem is how will he look without the beard! lol
LGY December 4th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
im not sure of the specifics but they seem to be spending like they all have huge checks coming.
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Yet, the Yankees are slashing payroll.
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LGY – The Yankees are a business and we have absolutely no right to judge a business for how it spends money. We should be THANKFUL the Yankees even bother to field a team and GRATEFUL for all of the winning this team has done on a consistent basis. We need to embrace this new fiscal challenge with all the might and gusto that….
Man.. I can’t even finish… I dunno how GLove managed…
Ignore everything I just said and replace it with: ‘F*ck the Dodgers.’
y’s-
I don’t want him 2/16 bad. I can tell you that.
The rumor was he’d accept a 2/8.
If he wants that much I’d pass.
@NYDNHarper: Hearing Dodgers thinking big, have strong interest in Dickey even if they sign Grienke. But they don’t have good young OF to trade.
Keppinger at 16mm must be a mistake. Why would the org. give essentially a utility IF that money but not give Martin whom they claim to have valued as their starter approximately the same?
LOL @ Shame
blake December 4th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
@NYDNHarper: Hearing Dodgers thinking big, have strong interest in Dickey even if they sign Grienke. But they don’t have good young OF to trade.
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They’ll just sign one and trade him for Dickey because the Dodgers are being so effing annoying right now…
Shame,
I would like to express the same sentiment to Hal and his budget.
Ys Guy December 4th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
keppinger is a career part timer journeyman who’s only played more than 121 games once in his career. fortunately for him, he was hit with some fairy dust in tampa last year and turned into a .325 hitter.
rumor has it that his price right now is up to about 2/$16M. how bad do you really want this guy?
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It was 2 for 8 M total not 8 M per year
@pedrogomezESPN
Phillies and Diamondbacks are discussing Justin Upton for Cliff Lee. Money coming to AZ would also be involved.
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I think 2/8 is what you are going to see Keppinger getting.
Contracts have been shocking as of late, but 2/16 for Keppinger is alien talk.
Now that the Phillies have a real competitor in the Nationals, you knew there was no way they were going to get out-bid and out-maneuvered all off season.
In summary
Yankees basically received $1 billion in tax free bonds from the city of NY to build a new stadium with, built that stadium with jacked up prices, and received all the revenue sharing benefits that go with it.
Now they are receiving about $1 billion dollars in the YES sale as well as looking at an additional $25M in national TV money in 2014.
Yet they are slashing payroll. Gotta love Hal.
This is the Yankees right now: 5 exercises where you barely move http://huff.to/Vr7OuI
Pedro Gomez?@pedrogomezESPN
Phillies and Diamondbacks are discussing Justin Upton for Cliff Lee. Money coming to AZ would also be involved.
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Good. Cliff Lee deserves to be Mr. Trade Chip every other year. Good decision to sign with the Phillies idiot!
Richard Simmons would be ashamed.
LGY,cheer up!
As I said previously the Dodgers have the Fox deal in LA,hence the spending for premium programming.
So,unless you thing Fox bought in because everyone would be rushing home to watch Yankeeography,Sterling,’Kay’s interviews or the Nets, be of good cheer.
You do not risk a 5 billion enterprise without premium programming!
Justin Upton for Cliff Lee… WTF
ok sorry i thought it was 2 @ $8M for keppinger. thats more like it. at that rate i have mild interest.
@pedrogomezESPN: Phillies and Diamondbacks are discussing Justin Upton for Cliff Lee. Money coming to AZ would also be involved.
What the what?
The teams that have spent big money are ones with new owners (Dodgers); low payrolls to begin with (Giants and Toronto) or have shed major payroll and now have room to spend (Red Sox and Nationals)
The Yankees don’t fit any of that criteria. They are also the only team in baseball that would face severe penalties for not being under $189M in 2014.
What I’m saying is that not every team is playing on the same field. Right now the Yankees have a few things stacked against them and will have to work through those obstacles. You don’t have to like it; I’m sure you can find yourself a sporting goods store that will sell you a Padres hat.
I thought the Snakes wanted a SS ?
blake December 4th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
@pedrogomezESPN: Phillies and Diamondbacks are discussing Justin Upton for Cliff Lee. Money coming to AZ would also be involved.
What the what?
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Um…That makes actual sense – no way Ruben Amaro can be involved in it.
Not sure why Towers would want an old expensive pitcher for his young superstar….Lee is good….but not sure that move makes much sense
cheap-shot artist doug gotlieb just trashed the yankees ‘geriatric’ pitching staff on cbs.
MTU December 4th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
I thought the Snakes wanted a SS ?
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They do have Cliff Pennington…not that he’s any good.
They are also the only team in baseball that would face severe penalties for not being under $189M in 2014.
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Please list these severe penalties
Keppinger would be a far better utility infielder than Nix. The problem is not with Keppinger, it is that he is a replacement for a starter. I hope they sign him, but the offense needs so much and I wonder if it will be addressed.
@Joelsherman1
Interesting @pedrogomezESPN reporting #diamondbacks Upton for #Phillies Lee talks. I asked 2 folks in last 24 hours if #Yankees could (cont)
?@Joelsherman1
do Granderson-Lee type swap and was told #Phillies wouldn’t give up SP strength. Also that #Yankees wouldn’t add Lee’s long-term $$$
blake December 4th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Not sure why Towers would want an old expensive pitcher for his young superstar….Lee is good….but not sure that move makes much sense
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Old lefties with back issues have done well for the D’backs in the past.
Blake-
I hope that one doesn’t have legs.
Not sure why Towers would want an old expensive pitcher for his young superstar….Lee is good….but not sure that move makes much sense
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maybe someone else wants Lee and he flips him – dunno – - – -
Lee for Upton? Ask that former Yankee employee to pick two of the back end guys from Hughes,Nova,Phelps for the same deal and send us a few pesos!
Except,why would the “Backs” want pitching when they already have a good staff and some of the best pitching prospects in the game?
@Joelsherman1: Interesting @pedrogomezESPN reporting #diamondbacks Upton for #Phillies Lee talks. I asked 2 folks in last 24 hours if #Yankees could (cont)
@Joelsherman1: do Granderson-Lee type swap and was told #Phillies wouldn’t give up SP strength. Also that #Yankees wouldn’t add Lee’s long-term $$$
@JeffPassan
Arizona discussing all sorts of three- and four-way deals to get shortstop. Upton for Cliff Lee (per @pedrogomezESPN) could just be a start.
Ys,
The Yankee pitching staff is old. We hope they are good, but age is a fair question. They better be good. Very good.
Except,why would the “Backs” want pitching when they already have a good staff and some of the best pitching prospects in the game?
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I thought they were souring on Bauer – a top draft pick – - – -
@JeffPassan: Arizona discussing all sorts of three- and four-way deals to get shortstop. Upton for Cliff Lee (per @pedrogomezESPN) could just be a start.
How about the one I proposed with Cleveland!
Yes,but would they add Upton’s contract for the aforementioned deal with NY?
I thought Towers was smart ?
“You don’t have to like it; I’m sure you can find yourself a sporting goods store that will sell you a Padres hat.”
Why must it always be reduced to fanhood… ? Everyone understands the different obstacles but we also understand that over the last 2 decades this team, even with it’s insane payroll, has made the most money of ALL the teams. I just don’t like how it’s dumbed down like we don’t get it.
At least we have yet to petition the White House on our behalf!
(Me and GLove are working on it, folks.)
Stoney,what is the source of that info? BA rates their prospects the best in the game.
We need a deal where we get ALL the players and only give up Brett Gardner…
age is a fair question, calling them geriatric is a cheap shot.
The teams and players the Yankees talk to are very good at keeping secrets.
Stoney,what is the source of that info? BA rates their prospects the best in the game.
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The Diamondbacks are already involved in “active discussions” about Justin Upton, and now ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick reports that the team will also listen to trade offers for Trevor Bauer (Twitter links). The right-hander has fallen out of favor with some in the organization.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....dQXCmhu.99
Blake-
Loved that 3-way with the Indians, D-backs, and Yanks.
Only flaw was parting with 2 young pitchers in the deal.
That ain’t happeneing IMO.
Who wouldn’t want JU and Santana otherwise ?
Ys,
True. Cheap shot.
The teams and players the Yankees talk to are very good at keeping secrets.
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That is true – only RAB had a brief what if about acquiring Pineda in a mailbag last offseason – - – -
“Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
“You don’t have to like it; I’m sure you can find yourself a sporting goods store that will sell you a Padres hat.”
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shopping for a padres cap anywhere outside of petco park:
“did you say padre’s cap uh…what does that look like?…..that’d have to be a special order,leave us your name and we’ll call you when it gets here, should be like 2 weeks or so….”
Granderson/Nova or Phelps for Upton and a minor league lefty to be selected from their group? Gardner to center,resign Ichiro for a year and hope Heathcott might be ready in 2014!
SB-
I’ll take both.
Where do i sign ?
According to MLB Network, Yankees are heavy in talks with A.J. Pierzynski
Stoney,with some? Let’s take him and Upton for my deal?
How about this:
Arizona gets: Cliff Lee, Asdrubal Cabrera, Choo
Philly gets: Justin Upton
Indians get: Tyler Skaggs, Ian Kennedy, Gerardo Parra, Dom Brown
Blake,
Please forward your ideas to the reporters. Maybe they will say it is a rumor, and I could get excited.
I am excited for Cashman’s press conference at the end of the meetings. Wait, it will be the same one as when he got there.
@ChiTribRogers: According to executives with other teams, the Yankees are in talks to sign A.J. Pierzynski. Certainly seems like a good fit for both sides.
Mac,
Nobody listens to me….
SB-
I’ll take both.
Where do i sign ?
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Aye aye, Captain. We are still on the S.S. Something Good Might Still Happen?
It’s getting there for me.
Keppinger, Aj P.
Missed on Soria and Haren but they were only nice to have’s.
Now just add the final piece please Brian.
The really important one.
@nickpiecoro: Dbacks source tells me the Upton/Lee stuff “hasn’t been discussed” and is “off base.”
Sources tell both Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports and Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic that the D-Backs and Phillies aren’t actively discussing an Upton/Lee deal (Twitter links). The report is “off base,” a D-Backs source tells Piecoro.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#T5IcFZCJFGzBPbKD.99
AJ,Youk,Arod,anothe Bronx Zoo. Jeter will have his hands full.
BTW,Jeter should replace Cashman when he retires,he certainly knows more about players than the intern!
Chip,
We are in the business of Yankee trades here
AJ P would be a positive addition. He may be a jerk, but he would be our jerk and it would seem much more acceptable.
How about this:
Arizona gets: Cliff Lee, Asdrubal Cabrera, Choo
Philly gets: Justin Upton
Indians get: Tyler Skaggs, Ian Kennedy, Gerardo Parra, Dom Brown
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But do the Diamondbacks want another OFer with Kubel, Parra, Pollock and Eaton? Maybe – - –
SB-
Absolutely.
Why wouldn’t we be.
Looks like we might be just one move away from checkmate.
It could still happen.
but he would be our jerk
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QFT
Bowden just asked Mattingley was gonna be a dodger in 2014
AJ/Romine catching duo sounds good…..need a big bat
MTU December 4th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
SB-
Absolutely.
Why wouldn’t we be.
Looks like we might be just one move away from checkmate.
It could still happen.
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I like the optimism – - – -
Mac-
you may not be getting your guys but it looks like I’m getting some of mine.
” Surely that’s too rich for the Yankees desires.”
Wow, I never thought that I would ever hear someone write this about the Yankees
According to MLB Network, Yankees are heavy in talks with A.J. Pierzynski
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Well there you go. People can rest easy, we may have a catcher.
SB-
No reason not to be.
The Fat Lady hasn’t sung yet has she ?
We’re one big move away.
I hope we do it. It may not be likely but it’s possible.
Please get AJ/ whoever would work
Shame,
You forgot to put “strapping living breathing men in glorious Yankee uniforms”. It helps when you’re trying to finish one of “those” posts.
MTU,
I like your guys fine. In a few days I will probably remember that your ideas were mine anyway.
@jonmorosi: #Dodgers becoming aggressive in shopping Harang and Capuano, source says. Could be a sign of confidence in landing Zack Greinke. @MLBONFOX
It’s funny that everyone acts like they don’t know where Greinke is going
GLove – You’re stronger than I am.
And now I’m off to commute and read a book about Scientology which has become an infinitely more interesting form of brainwashing than whatever the Yankees have offered up thus far.
Glad to hear AJ talks heating up. Seems to me that offense is a concern for this team going forward. AJ, Keppinger would be a nice start… Looks like Swish may not land in Boston if Victorino gets 3 years. Maybe Ross comes into play now.
Mac-
I just need one Big, hairy-sized, jungle-cat move.
Cashman can do that. He should do that.
SB-
No reason not to be.
The Fat Lady hasn’t sung yet has she ?
We’re one big move away.
I hope we do it. It may not be likely but it’s possible.
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I forgot what your big move is – Hamilton? Upton? Someone else?
I prefer the Sox sign Victorino than some others. Three years seems a long time to commit to him.
If Michael Saunders walked through that door with Cody Ross – the lohud would react with _________.
Shame,
Did you see The Master? Not that is was about Scientology.
I would like Cody Ross in RF but the Yankees have been insisting they wont go more than 1 year and Ross wants 3. AJ will more lilely be convinced to take a 1 year deal if they add a couple extra mil…
SB-
Anyone who can replace Swishers production, and preferably who is younger, and even more athletic.
Might be JU. Gordon. Choo +. Hamilton, etc.
There are a lot of guys to aim high on.
No telling what cashman might be able to come up with in trade.
I do not under rate what we have to offer. Some do IMO.
Call me crazy.
Won’t be the first time.
We should trade for our OF’er.
Ross would add some balance to out lineup which will have cano, gardner, aj (if he signs), tex (seems to struggle now from the right), granderson (if he isnt traded). With no ARod, we need Right Handed pop….
Josh please !!!!!!!
@JonHeymanCBS: #dbacks are talking to a few on upton. would like profar/andrus, andrelton or asdrubal. wont do m’s nick franklin. 2 young
Make it happen Cash….3 way!
Pull a Texas…. Sign Hamilton and trade for Upton!
@JonHeymanCBS: victorino has at least 1 4-year offer. so if #redsox are only offering 3, he may have to take less to go.
Insanity
yankees are NOT signing Hamilton unless they decide to not try to resign Cano……
i like these thoughts, but lets talk realistically.
So riddle me this, if the alleged deal that fell through for Cabrera was from the Yankees, why would they be trading for him and then NOT flip him to Arizona for Upton?
Blake-
It’s why I keep saying we should trade.
FA asking prices are sky high.
@JeffPassan: Hiroyuki Nakajima is looking for three years, though teams are hesitant to go that long because they fear he’s not an everyday shortstop.
JF-
They wouldn’t. So you’d better hope Cashman comes round and adds the 3rd prospect.
Jf because Cashman can’t multitask
Jf because Cashman can’t multitask
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That has been debunked with the rumor they are negotiating with Pierzynski.
Wait, The Flyin Hawaiian is being offered Mike Napoli dough in Boston ???? Greenbacks must have been devalued in Kenmore Square since my last visit ………
“AJ P would be a positive addition. He may be a jerk, but he would be our jerk and it would seem much more acceptable.”
Exactly, its all relative when you think about it. Jorge was rather caustic, to say the least … but he always made it known he was not about winning any popularity contest … if AJ comes in and belts close to 30 homers next year and helps team win, he can be as ornary as he wants … I’m sure we’ll here CC and Andy say how much they appreciate pitching to him because of his veteran presence, even if he is abrasive … Thurman was no choir boy either. Not every catcher is as jolly as Yogi Berra.
I think Cashman is multi-tasking bigtime.
And I think he’s being methodical and focused.
I like it.
@keithlaw: Pretty expensive for a fourth outfielder RT @cfrs15: @keithlaw @jonahkeri three years, $37.5MM for Shane Victorino?
Lol true
@JeffPassan: The anchor of any deal for Asdrubal Cabrera: a major league pitcher or OF with 0+ service time. Arizona, Seattle and Oakland all fit.
@JeffPassan: The anchor of any deal for Asdrubal Cabrera: a major league pitcher or OF with 0+ service time. Arizona, Seattle and Oakland all fit.
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We can offer Phelps in that case, or Warren. But not much value overall. Nova has 4 years.
Blake-
So do the Yankees.
Haha Boston….. Sign Swisher and complete the hat trick !!!
Nova and Phelps both have service time but not much…..the Yanks should be able to satisfy the Indians part in the trade
If Asdrubal gets you JU, and Phelps helps get you Asdrubal.
Phelps is a vapor trail.
@Ken_Rosenthal: Free-agent OF Nate McLouth only looking for one-year deal. Wants to re-establish his value, then go back on market.
Too bad he sucks
Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
So riddle me this, if the alleged deal that fell through for Cabrera was from the Yankees, why would they be trading for him and then NOT flip him to Arizona for Upton?
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Maybe that’s what they meant by he would “switch position”.
I hope Csshman is pursuing this …..because its the only way I can see to get Upton
Wow, Victorino hit .255/.321/.383 last year and gets 3/37.5 from the Red Sox…
@Ken_Rosenthal: Bauer not only young #Diamondbacks pitcher drawing interest. Teams also asking about Skaggs. Believed to be #Indians target for A. Cabrera.
victorino is a fading player. just means swisher’s gonna get a little more money
boston is not making great moves this off season.
Blake-
It may be the only way you see but hopefully not the only way Cashman sees.
We need to fight as hard as we can for this one.
Do everything we can within our limits to make it happen.
I’d bet we are. Would love to win the sweepstakes.
We don’t have any skaggs to offer up
, except maybe Cashman’s mistress
Swisher is gonna get PAID.
@Ken_Rosenthal
Victorino and #RedSox: Three years, $39M.
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Maybe the Red Sox contract printer is broken??? This deal doesn’t make sense.
Yankees get : Upton
Indians get Skaggs and Tyler Austin
Dbacks get: Asdrubal, Mason Williams, Nova
What’s the skinny on Skaggs ?
I just looked him up. Didn’t seem special.
What am I missing ?
Terrible deal for Boston
@jaysonst: Shane Victorino’s deal with #RedSox means Cody Ross won’t be back in Boston and Nick Swisher no longer fits there either.
AJ P and Keppinger on reasonable contracts sounds like a step in the right direction to me.
pkyankfan69 says:
December 4, 2012 at 5:44 pm
AJ P and Keppinger on reasonable contracts sounds like a step in the right direction to me.
I like those as well….still need outfielder though
The Yankees need to invest in shinguards and other body armor this offseason, victorino is crazy dirty
cheaper is not always better, there has to be real value there. shane was a nice player. his game was largely based on speed, which is fading and his bat is slowing down.
we should thank them.
what’s it going to take to sign swish? 5/75?
Aim high on the OF’er Cashman.
@JeffPassan: Total cost of Napoli, Victorino, Papi, Gomes and Ross: $120.2 million already spent by the Red Sox.
At this point in time, agents are doing their position players a disservice by signing them to these long term deals while they are young.
The market has gotten so out of whack – there is just such little talent every making it to free agency and there is so much cash swimming in the game that players who do make it to the market are being wildly over paid. There just isn’t enough supply.
With pitchers signing early it’s understandable. The risk is just so severe with injury. But position players are leaving lot of money on the table.
On another note – I’d be extremely cautious signing Hamilton to a long term deal. Didn’t like what I saw from him this year. His bat speed isn’t what it was. Don’t know if it’s an injury or temporary.
But Hamilton is the kind of player who isn’t going to age well IMO. His entire approach is so dependent on having the kind of plus-plus bat speed that he’s likely had his whole life that there’s a good chance he’ll struggle to adjust. If he loses even a little of that bat speed he’s at a real risk for a precipitous decline in performance.
And Arod. What an unbelievable mess. It was obvious for quite some time the franchise was going to need a new generation of position players – particularly middle of the order bats. And they passively did nothing to correct that coming deficiency.
And now they are reducing payroll and doing so during a time when it’s become exceedingly difficult to bring in new talent either via free agency or trades.
@DCameronFG: With BOS out on Swisher, don’t be surprised if Mariners are high bidder on Swisher. Might come down to whether wife wants to live in SEA.
i just hope cashman can try to get montero back
Hey CB,
With Hamilton I really think something was up with him …whether it was his eyes or tobacco withdrawal or what….but he looked like Roy Hobbs for 2 months and then just disappeared and that seems like to me at least an issue other than decline.
I don’t think he will age well either at all because of his approach….but if they could get him for 4 years then Id love that because I think he’d be close to elite for maybe 2 and then pretty good for 2 more.
I’m hoping Cash can find some way to get Upton….probably wont happen but well see
The Matt Holliday deal is looking nicer & nicer every year
You could see that Alex was struggling with pitches on the outer portion of the plate last summer as his ability to drive the ball to right was gone……He just couldn’t turn and rotate with force…..CB, I sent you an e-mail last week regarding GB
Jerkface says:
December 4, 2012 at 6:00 pm
The Matt Holliday deal is looking nicer & nicer every year
Yea
Upton is the player to go get if at all possible. He’s the one. Unless Stanton can force his way out (which he won’t be able to this season – and the yanks wouldn’t have the pieces to get him anyway) then Upton is the one of the very few (only?) potential difference makers available who could also make some sense financially (though I don’t know what financial sense is for the yanks anymore…)
I wanted the Yanks to sign Holliday when he was a free agent. I had a gnawing feeling the team was making a big mistake not doing it given the lack of position player talent in the minors and market dynamics. Major strategic mistake that can’t be made up for now.
Fans calling for Hamilton to become a Yankee must be on the same drugs that he used to be on. NYC is no place for a recovering addict.
@jonmorosi: Source: Dodgers have become clear favorite to land Greinke.
Shocking
The Matt Holliday deal is looking nicer & nicer every year
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Yeah the Cardinals got a really great deal.. He’s awesome. Looking back I wish the Yankees had made that deal, we would be in a lot better shape right now.
Only way I can see to get Upton is if CashmN can work a 3 way with Cleveland
Basically at this point the Yankees have to hope that Williams, Austin, Sanchez, etc work out and become above average starters or better in the major leagues. Otherwise we could be in for a rough few years starting in 2014
Pat,
I’m having some trouble with that account. Will try to check it. Thanks.
Patrick December 4th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Basically at this point the Yankees have to hope that Williams, Austin, Sanchez, etc work out and become above average starters or better in the major leagues. Otherwise we could be in for a rough few years starting in 2014
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Add to that if they let Cano walk
New thread —->
“Basically at this point the Yankees have to hope that Williams, Austin, Sanchez, etc work out and become above average starters or better in the major leagues.”
Think it’s on the worse side. They are going to have to hope that they get at least one all star from that bunch, one close to all star and an above average everyday player. Something like that. Maybe even 2 all stars tbh.
They are basically going to need to get remarkably lucky to salvage this situation.
@gbakermariners: Source: Mariners have contacted Raul Ibanez’s agent about the veteran returning to Seattle for a third go-around.
You can’t steal our Rauldemort!