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Rosenthal: Nationals land Haren

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 04, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Nationals have added one of the market’s best risk-reward options.

According to Ken Rosenthal, the Nats have agreed to a one-year, $13-million deal with Dan Haren.

Coming off a down year, Haren was nearly traded before the Angels decided to decline his option for 2013. He’s only one year removed from a 3.17 ERA through 238.1 innings with the Angels, but there are some health concerns and his strikeout-to-walk ratio dipped considerably last season. Could be a terrific addition for the Nationals. Could be an expensive bust. I can’t help wondering if Haren might have been a fallback plan for the Yankees if they’d missed out on either Hiroki Kuroda or Andy Pettitte.

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168 Responses to “Rosenthal: Nationals land Haren”

  1. Chip December 4th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Chip December 4th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    If I’m Phil’s agent and Cashman approached me my answer would be 5 years $60 – 65m. He’s younger and better than Guthrie who just got 3 years at just over 8/year.

    To me the Haren signing makes me think that the Nats don’t think they’re going to bring back LaRoche. If they were bringing him back they would have filled their rotation spot by dealing Morse but they can’t deal Morse if LaRoche doesn’t re-sign.

  2. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Remember when the Yankees were trying to get Felix last off season?

    … what happened to that money?

  3. ac1 December 4th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    Athletics will meet today with agents for Japanese free-agent SS Hiroyuki Nakajima. Also considering trade for #Marlins’ Escobar, others.
    ____

    Yankees should look into this guy and give him a real offer not like last year…

  4. Mike in Harrisburg December 4th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Most players don’t live in NYC. Most live in Westchester, Conn or Jersey

    ——————-

    His most recent relapses took place in Tempe and Dallas, but I think you understand my point. The pressure that gets placed on stars in New York is significantly greater than anywhere in the country. I simply have doubts he has the makeup to tolerate it.

  5. ac1 December 4th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Remember when the Yankees were trying to get Felix last off season?

    … what happened to that money?

    ___

    Kuroda raise, Pettitte big raise, need a 3B now, Granderson raise and on and on…

  6. AAA December 4th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Yankees should look into this guy and give him a real offer not like last year…

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    More reasons to make him a real offer than they had last year.

  7. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    ac1 December 4th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    Athletics will meet today with agents for Japanese free-agent SS Hiroyuki Nakajima. Also considering trade for #Marlins’ Escobar, others.
    ____

    Yankees should look into this guy and give him a real offer not like last year…

    ———–

    I don’t think they’ll get a do-over :(

  8. blake December 4th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    blake says:
    December 4, 2012 at 11:25 am
    JF,

    If Arod just retired due to injury and the Yanks and he arranged a settlement where they paid him with insurances help the money he’s owed…..then does that get him off their books for the Luxury tax?

  9. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    If A-rod retires, and by this I mean actually retires done from baseball retired, the Yankees will be off the hook for his salary. It essentially voids the player contract.

    I don’t think that is likely, atleast for 2014. I think he will attempt to play 100% in 2013 and likely give 2014 his best shot. In which case I guess they’d be on the hook for a pro-rated portion of his contract if he ended up retiring in 2014. Then from 2015 on they’d be clear.

    I love A-rod, but that would probably be the best for the Yankees.

  10. blake December 4th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Dodgers fans quickly following suit of Laker fans with confidence that Robinson Cano will bring his talents to Hollywood for ’14 season @2B

  11. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Whether the team pays him with insurance money or not is irrelevant to the luxury tax. They can do whatever they want outside of baseball once A-rod retires, as long as MLB doesn’t sniff something out as being an attempt to circumvent the luxury tax (like the yankees forcing him to retire at gunpoint or something).

    The Yankees would not be able to collect insurance on A-rod if he retired, because they’d no longer be obligated to pay his salary so they’d be getting back money they never spent. They can only collect insurance on players who are injured & still under contract. So every time a player misses significant time on the DL the team can potentially recoup money depending on the terms of the insurance.

  12. ac1 December 4th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    JIM BOWDEN?@JimBowdenESPNxm

    Dodgers fans quickly following suit of Laker fans with confidence that Robinson Cano will bring his talents to Hollywood for ’14 season @2B

    ___

    I think this too…

  13. blake December 4th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    JF ,
    I don’t think Alex would just walk away from 114 million bucks…. Which is why I was wondering if they could work out something where they paid him the money in lump sum or a portion of it to actually alllow him to retire…..and then still save the money towards the tax……

    If 70% of his deal is insured then they’d only being paying 30% out of their pocket

  14. blake December 4th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    I just can’t see Arod walking away from that much money…..

  15. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    If they paid him it’d still count towards the luxury tax. If they pay him to get out of his contract, the original terms either remain the same (most likely) for luxury tax purposes which is no help or they are assuming the lump sump payment onto 2013 in which case the Steinbrenners pay a 172 million dollar lump sum which means they end up saving no money in the end even after all the rebates/luxury tax stuff because they’d be paying 50% luxury tax on the lump sum.

  16. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Cano will be gone next year as he will get $200M, likely from the Dodgers. But, we get a draft pick. How wonderful.

    I have said AROD should retire with a wink, wink deal allowing him to buy a piece of the club in a year or two. The price would be $100M more favorable than one would expect.

    Neither Alex nor any other person is giving up $100 million.

  17. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    blake December 4th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Dodgers fans quickly following suit of Laker fans with confidence that Robinson Cano will bring his talents to Hollywood for ’14 season @2B

    —————

    This is gonna be a fun daily routine: F*ck the Dodgers.

  18. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    According to the termination agreement, even if they pay A-rod a lump sum it counts in each year of the old salary as it would normally. There is no sneaky maneuver to get out of the luxury tax. The only way they can do it is if the player forfeits the contract.

  19. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    I have said AROD should retire with a wink, wink deal allowing him to buy a piece of the club in a year or two. The price would be $100M more favorable than one would expect.

    This kind of deal makes no sense to me, why would the team get out of a minor obligation by giving up ownership stake which would cover the minor obligation & more? The value of a club stake is much greater than whatever A-rod’s contract is. A-rod’s contract doesn’t make money on its own, where as the ownership stake makes profits.

  20. Against All Odds December 4th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    blake December 4th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Dodgers fans quickly following suit of Laker fans with confidence that Robinson Cano will bring his talents to Hollywood for ’14 season @2B

    —————–

    We have to hide this from Shame.

  21. blake December 4th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    “According to the termination agreement, even if they pay A-rod a lump sum it counts in each year of the old salary as it would normally. There is no sneaky maneuver to get out of the luxury tax. The only way they can do it is if the player forfeits the contract.”

    What big he retired from his baseball contract and they offered him an ownership percentage that would pay him?

  22. CountryClub December 4th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....era-80066/

    Here’s a nugget from Paul Hoynes, Indians beat writer extraordinaire for The Cleveland Plain-Dealer…

    “The going price on [shortstop Asdrubal Cabrera] is three to four players, preferably four. The Indians had the framework of a deal in place in which they would have received one big-league pitcher and two high-level prospects. When the Indians asked for a third prospect, the deal dissolved.”

    The particular team the Indians were negotiating with planned to change Cabrera’s position, but right now he’s the top shortstop available this winter through free agency or trades.

    Tell me that doesn’t have the Yankees written all over it. One big league pitcher? Take your pick of Phil Hughes, Ivan Nova, and David Phelps. Two high-level prospects? Pick two, though I’m not sure if “high-level” means top prospects or guys who played at Double-A and Triple-A. Asking Cabrera to change positions? Makes sense now that Alex Rodriguez will miss the start of next season. Could be a coincidence, but the glove sure does fit.

  23. Howe Farr December 4th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 11:38 am
    According to the termination agreement, even if they pay A-rod a lump sum it counts in each year of the old salary as it would normally. There is no sneaky maneuver to get out of the luxury tax. The only way they can do it is if the player forfeits the contract.

    ___________________________________________________________________

    If this is the case, I dont see Arod leaving that much money on the table. Nobody in their right minds would do that. Nor should he.

  24. Against All Odds December 4th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Damn too late lol :(

  25. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Klapisch has an article saying AROD is likely finished as a productive player. I am afraid that is true.

    He also noted others are comparing this year to 1965. I believe I have been making the comparison for some time. If anyone dares, check out the record from 1965-1973,

    Someone said the other day they will enjoy watching the games irrespective of the record. No, that’s not true. I know. When your team is awful, the fun is gone.

    Where is Horace Clarke now?

  26. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Dan Plesac ?@Plesac19
    From all I’m hearing in the hallways of the #WinterMeetings, looks like 2 horse race for Greinke… #dodgers and #Rangers. Tx very serious.
    Expand Reply Retweet Favorite

    Thanks Dan ;)

  27. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    I don’t see the benefit of giving A-rod an ownership stake. We’re talking about the Yankees doing all this to save 100 million over 3 years. Gotta get real.

  28. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    JIM BOWDEN ?@JimBowdenESPNxm
    Greinke market down to 1. Dodgers 2. Angels 3. Rangers in that order with possibility of mystery team Tor?Cws?Bos?.Nats out..Braves unlikely
    Expand Reply Retweet Favorite

    I love mystery teams

  29. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    JF,

    They could give AROD a piece of the team valued at his unpaid contract amount. That way they wouldn’t, if they got away with it, pay any luxury tax.

  30. 86w183 December 4th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    I have said AROD should retire with a wink, wink deal allowing him to buy a piece of the club in a year or two. The price would be $100M more favorable than one would expect.

    *************************************************************************

    Yeah, there’s no way anyone in MLB would catch on to that!

    I don’t think it’s inconceivable that Alex would walk away, but I can’t see it happening until 2014. He won’t go thru the surgery and re-hab without giving himself a chance to be a quality MLB player again.

    If the Yanks could sign Keppinger & Chavez for something in the $ 6 M range combined that’s probably as good as they can hope to do. Keppinger has been in a utility/platoon role most of his career and he can get some PT @ SS and DH too.

  31. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    This a-rod news is going to drive me crazy with people misunderstanding the CBA/everything.

  32. AAA December 4th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Tell me that doesn’t have the Yankees written all over it. One big league pitcher? Take your pick of Phil Hughes, Ivan Nova, and David Phelps. Two high-level prospects? Pick two, though I’m not sure if “high-level” means top prospects or guys who played at Double-A and Triple-A. Asking Cabrera to change positions? Makes sense now that Alex Rodriguez will miss the start of next season. Could be a coincidence, but the glove sure does fit.

    ======================================

    Those could be Yankee fingerprints. However, could also be the Braves looking at using Cabrera at 3B and moving Prado back to LF.

  33. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Against All Odds December 4th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Damn too late lol :(

    ————–

    I appreciate your concern! It was a worthy attempt.. but the Dodgers are trying to be great. Nothing can shield me from it!

  34. blake December 4th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    JF,
    Anything to make them spend money on the team again

  35. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    They could give AROD a piece of the team valued at his unpaid contract amount. That way they wouldn’t, if they got away with it, pay any luxury tax.

    It would have to be under the table, or else they’d still pay luxury tax on the value they gave him, and again why would they do that? They are giving up their own stake in a business to save 100 dollars? Why do that when they can just keep paying A-rod, cut payroll, and save the same 100 million + get the profit from the stake they didn’t sell???

    Think like a business guy, and not like a fan who is trying to desperately get out from A-rod’s albatross to avoid the luxury tax.

  36. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Tell me that doesn’t have the Yankees written all over it. One big league pitcher? Take your pick of Phil Hughes, Ivan Nova, and David Phelps. Two high-level prospects? Pick two, though I’m not sure if “high-level” means top prospects or guys who played at Double-A and Triple-A. Asking Cabrera to change positions? Makes sense now that Alex Rodriguez will miss the start of next season. Could be a coincidence, but the glove sure does fit.

    ——————-

    Is Cabrera worth all that?

  37. blake December 4th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    “Those could be Yankee fingerprints. However, could also be the Braves looking at using Cabrera at 3B and moving Prado back to LF.”

    Yea I think that paragraph has a good chance to have been about either the Yankees or braves

  38. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Is Cabrera worth all that?

    No, maybe for a team wanting to play him at SS but not to move him to third.

  39. Patrick December 4th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    It would be very stupid to give A-rod a piece of ownership just to get him to retire.

  40. DONNYBROOK December 4th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Yankees are on Indians Cabrera’s limited “no trade” list.

  41. blake December 4th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    I don’t see Arod retiring anytime soon anyway….. He’s gonna try to come back

  42. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    how can the Dodgers add Cano what would there payroll be going forward ?? especially if adding Greinke

  43. Triple Short of a Cycle December 4th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Tell me that doesn’t have the Yankees written all over it

    ———————————–

    I agree. Especially in regards to what Lost wrote about being close to a deal and then something changes to make it fall apart. Someth9ing to that effect.

    I’m glad they didn’t do that deal if they were that team. Cabrera is not a difference maker and he is not a very good defensive player

  44. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    how can the Dodgers add Cano what would there payroll be going forward ?? especially if adding Greinke

    The Dodgers can have a payroll around 300 million per year and still make a profit, hope this helps, bye

  45. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    no trade list means nothing, just a bargaining chip on players part

  46. DONNYBROOK December 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Like Anyone owning a piece of the Yankees wants to take on A-Rod as a partner??? Let’s get real here.

  47. Against All Odds December 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Against All Odds December 4th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Damn too late lol :(

    ————–

    I appreciate your concern! It was a worthy attempt.. but the Dodgers are trying to be great. Nothing can shield me from it!

    ————–
    True nothing wrong with that.

    Yes I tried my best Darth Queen of Team Greedy *bows*

  48. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    JIM BOWDEN ?@JimBowdenESPNxm
    As we all search for the possible landing spot for Free Agent closer Rafael Soriano…don’t eliminate the Dodgers just yet as a possibility
    Expand Reply Retweet Favorite

    JF don’t think they make a profit of a team that has a payroll of 300 million……..sorry….bye

  49. AAA December 4th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    This a-rod news is going to drive me crazy with people misunderstanding the CBA/everything.

    =====================================

    In the end, I think it’s safe to say that, for luxury tax purposes, he’s on the books thru 2017 at $27.5M per barring some fairly extraordinary circumstances.

  50. ac1 December 4th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Dodgers said they dont care about payroll or the luxury tax.

  51. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN
    Rival evaluator on Drew:”There’s no way he would sign with the Yankees to be a superutility guy, or part-time 3B. He wants an everyday job.”
    Expand Reply Retweet Favorite

    GOOD!!!!!!!!!

  52. disco stu December 4th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    “He also noted others are comparing this year to 1965. I believe I have been making the comparison for some time. If anyone dares, check out the record from 1965-1973,”

    Until it happens, I still go on the premise that the Yankees will enter each new season as a contender … I think being in the post season every season (sans 2008 – still won 89 games) affords them the benefit of the doubt.

    Heading into 2011 after Pettitte “retired”, Lee chose Philly over NY, and we went into ST with Colon and Garcia as FA invitees for the starting rotation, people were saying it would be a long year for the Yankees … they ended up having the best record in AL.

    So unless the Yankees pull a Jeffrey Loria and break down the team, they need to actually show they ARE an also-ran before being perceived as one before a single pitch has been thrown for the upcoming season.

  53. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    I think the Dodgers will when in the red….in the end its a business

  54. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    JF don’t think they make a profit of a team that has a payroll of 300 million……..sorry….bye

    Their media deal is going to pay them 250 million per year and only 80 mil of it will be open to revenue sharing. Which means they will pocket minimum 170 million. MLB also gives each team around 50 mil per year for national TV deals, this is not applicable to revenue sharing, so thats added on there, 220. Then after revenue sharing on the 80 million they keep 52.8 million. Thats 272.8 million.

    This is not even counting gate tickets, merchandise, MLBAM, food, whatever.

    So yea, they can.

  55. DONNYBROOK December 4th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Dr quoted in The Post said the hip surgery Might require cutting into the bone. This aint an ingrown toe nail being removed.

  56. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    ok like I said we shall see :)

  57. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Oh and the dodgers only pay around 8% revenue sharing in the end, so after all the money is cut up and divvied out, they are only down 8% on revenues. So add 20.8 million back on there. 293.6 million without gate, MLBAM, merchandise, stadium.

  58. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    I think he’s out longer than 4-6 months I say September… remember getting back into playing shape…..and his age

  59. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    The Dodgers would definately turn a total profit with a 300 million dollar payroll…..so would the Yankees most likely.

    The Dodgers are gonna sign Greinke and probably Soriano too and will likely take a 230ish million dollar payroll in to 2013

  60. AAA December 4th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Dodgers said they dont care about payroll or the luxury tax.

    =============================

    Spoken like a team who has NEVER paid it.

  61. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Stu,

    I am not saying 1965 has to happen or will happen. I say it can. Filling in C, RF, and 3B with short term players while Jeter, AROD, TEx age and Andy, Mo, Granderson and Cano leave after 2013, how do they field a competitive team?

    Do they really expect to fill 10-15 holes next year? From where?

    This team and it’s holes cannot be compared to any Yankee team for many years when they now apparently won’t spend to fill them.

  62. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    JF look at the Yanks… do you think they make more than the Dodgers?? ok

  63. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    OAA – I reward ALL the loyal subjects!

    Maybe if we just start thinking about forgetting the luxury tax enough the Yankees will do it. Like if we all stared at a tree trying to set it on fire or something..

    OFF TOPIC:………….Does anyone have Apple tv?!

  64. CountryClub December 4th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    More from that RAB article:

    “Cabrera, 27, has hit a solid .272/.335/.443 (116 wRC+) with 41 homers over the last two seasons. He’s a switch-hitter with no platoon split (115 wRC+ vs. RHP and 117 wRC+ vs. LHP since 2011) and depending on your choice of defensive metric, he’s either a slightly-above-average (DRS and FRAA) or well-below-average defender (UZR) at short with minimal experience at the hot corner (four defensive outs in 2007). The Indians signed him to a short-term extension this past April, and he’s owned $6.5M next year and $10M the year after ($8.25M average annual value for luxury tax purposes) before qualifying for free agency. With A-Rod out and Nick Swisher‘s and Russell Martin‘s offense unlikely to be fully replaced, it’s easy to see why the Yankees would have pursued Cabrera to the point where they were on the verge of a deal.

    Just to be clear, this is total speculation. Hoynes reported the Indians had a deal in place that fell through, and I’m just connecting the dots. ”

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....era-80066/

  65. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    JIM BOWDEN ?@JimBowdenESPNxm
    As we all search for the possible landing spot for Free Agent closer Rafael Soriano…don’t eliminate the Dodgers just yet as a possibility

    —————–

    Why eliminate the Dodgers as a possibility for anyone?

    At this point they can spend whatever they want.. winning one championship over there will carry them for a decade. (Not that they even need that to continue making money hand over fist.)

  66. DONNYBROOK December 4th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Angels Moreno is gonna have to figure out how to Blunt this Dodger Blitz. He’s getting blown outta the water in the SoCal Market.

  67. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    SS I have apple TV

  68. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    The Dodgers will get like 160 million more dollars per year in TV money than the Yankees….I doubt the other revenue streams cover that gap

  69. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Good. no Drew? Who then?

    The Dodgers get about $200M/yr. from their local TV deal. They can easily afford to spend far more than they currently do. And yes, they have said the luxury tax is part of doing business.

    I prefer that philosophy to we must be under the cap regardless of the consequences. That is, in reality, where the Yankees are today.

  70. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    JF look at the Yanks… do you think they make more than the Dodgers??

    Yes, the Yankees could easily afford a 300 million payroll. I am not bullshtting here with these numbers. I am going off what is reported and how the finances of revenue sharing work. The Yankees own a stake in YES, own their concessions, get incredibly favorable stadium payments, are able to shelter 50+ million each year from revenue sharing thanks to the stadium. They are making tens of millions of dollars profit each year. Their stake in YES is the key, because they own 30% of it, it is a cash cow, and they have a very UNDER MARKET deal with the actual TEAM the Yankees for the media rights.

    The Yankees get 80 million per year for their TV deal. The Dodgers will get 250 million per year. Look at these numbers. 250 million just from being on TV. Dodgers TV. Not even MLB national TV.

    The Yankees just got a billion dollars for selling 10% stake in YES & agreeing to a 20 year TV deal. They are fluuuuuuuuuush with cash.

  71. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    “The Dodgers get about $200M/yr. from their local TV deal”

    250….the Yankees get 90. The Angels actually get more than the Yanks also ….I think they get 130 annually in TV money

  72. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Josh Hamilton realistic FA Market looks like Rangers or Red Sox with Yankees a dark horse…doubtful Hamilton goes to SEA even if best offer

  73. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    The Yankees pay 1 dollar in rent on their stadium each year.

  74. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....landscape/

    Must read….goes over every teams TV deal

  75. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    SS I have apple TV

    —————-

    You gotta use like Hulu and Netflix and all that stuff right? No live tv streaming stuff?

  76. Mike in Harrisburg December 4th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    @blake thanks for posting that

  77. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    if the Yanks get Josh….what would you guys think? ##JF I think we need the Yanks to renew their deal :)

  78. DONNYBROOK December 4th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Yankee’s looking into Hamilton, is a lot like when they signed Damon. Double whammy of improving the team, And weakening an opponent with 1 move.

  79. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    The Yankees pay 1 dollar in rent on their stadium each year.

    ——————————–

    :shock:

  80. CountryClub December 4th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Must read….goes over every teams TV deal

    ——————

    That article talks about what the Yanks make in rights fees. But it doesn’t mention what they make in advertising fees. Remember, that’s the reason why you set up your own network in the first place (ESPN, NFL Network, YES, etc…). You get money from 2 different avenues.

  81. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    I think Philly is a more realistic dark horse for Hamilton.

  82. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    The Braves essentially get no TV money until like forever……they are at a big disadvantage

  83. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    I think we need the Yanks to renew their deal :)

    They already did, and its still incredibly under market. Though it has increasing payments so in 20 years they’ll be making what the Dodgers are now.

  84. randy l. December 4th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    “The Yankees just got a billion dollars for selling 10% stake in YES & agreeing to a 20 year TV deal. They are fluuuuuuuuuush with cash.”

    ok, let me get this straight.

    are you telling me that the yankee owners aren’t part of the 47% ?

    damn, the way they ‘ve been acting with building the team , i thought they’d be applying for food stamps soon.

  85. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    “That article talks about what the Yanks make in rights fees. But it doesn’t mention what they make in advertising fees. Remember, that’s the reason why you set up your own network in the first place (ESPN, NFL Network, YES, etc…). You get money from 2 different avenues.”

    That’s true I guess….hard to estimate how much they get for that

  86. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    That article talks about what the Yanks make in rights fees. But it doesn’t mention what they make in advertising fees. Remember, that’s the reason why you set up your own network in the first place (ESPN, NFL Network, YES, etc…). You get money from 2 different avenues.

    Yea, thats just what the ‘team’ collects. The Steinbrenners and Yankees Global LLC or whatever it is make BANK and its not covered by revenue sharing because its outside of the ‘the team’. Thats why all this austerity stuff drives me up a wall.

  87. UnKnown December 4th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Gammons on MLB Network talking about Escobar to the Yankees.

    Hello Peter, old news and not going to happen. Get with it buddy.

  88. randy l. December 4th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    “The Yankees pay 1 dollar in rent on their stadium each year.”

    actually that’s fair because hal and hank never actually go there.

  89. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    SS yes no live streaming…. you can get a blue-ray player( which I have, and works great) …..I have about 200 movies on Apple TV( Most my son’s movies)………do you have FIOS?? Because my friend just uploaded movies to their media center off his hard drive….works the same and its free :)

  90. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Bottom line…. The yanks have just as much revenue as the Dodgers and they are screwing around while LA goes after everybody

  91. 86w183 December 4th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    I think a lot of people here would be depressed if the Yanks signed Hamilton.

    They’d have to eat all their anti-Hal Steinbenner nonsense about how cheap he and his family are.

  92. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    They’d have to eat all their anti-Hal Steinbenner nonsense about how cheap he and his family are.

    I’ll gladly eat crow if the Yankees decided to get their swagger back.

  93. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    “They’d have to eat all their anti-Hal Steinbenner nonsense about how cheap he and his family are.”

    I’ll take it all back gladly

  94. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    oak – I keep looking for ways to lower my cable bill and I have friends that work for Apple that suggested I get Apple tv instead of having cable at all… but ALL of Shame’s disposable income goes to paying the Yankees for something, so I need to keep my cable. :(

  95. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Ok I think a Josh signing would fill a lot of needs

  96. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Lol, the Yankees aren’t signing Hamilton..

    I swear, people are still in that ‘phantom limb’ phase with this team.

  97. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Phantom Limb was a millionaire, he’d pay for a good team :(

    http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs4.....C_5052.jpg

  98. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    And yes, I’d love to have to eat my words. I’d LOVE it.

    I’d love for our Yankees to go back to being Celine Dion.

  99. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Phantom Limb was a millionaire, he’d pay for a good team :(

    http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs4…..C_5052.jpg

    —————

    Oh snap!

  100. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    well I have Fios at 105 a month thats for everything( worked hard for that) so thats internet 50/25 speed unlimited phone and TV pretty much everything……also Optimum just came out with a new promo and DVR for a lower price

  101. randy l. December 4th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    ” Though it has increasing payments so in 20 years they’ll be making what the Dodgers are now.”

    what’s the chance of a 2032 dollar equaling a 2012 dollar?

    a 2032 dollar will probably be worth about half what a dollar worth now.

    it may be worse than that.

    a 2012 dollar is worth 40% less than a 1992 dollar

    with all the dollars out in the system with the great recession, what’s the chance of inflation not being much higher in the next twenty years that it was the past twenty years.

    this contract that looks bad on the surface fifteen- twenty years from now because of likely inflation, make me think the steinbrenners are probably thinking sell now. it looks like they are getting their ducks lined up in a row for cashing in sooner than later.

  102. The Return of Stoneburner December 4th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Bowden views the Rangers and Red Sox as the frontrunners for Josh Hamilton, with the Yankees as a dark horse. He doesn’t believe Hamilton would sign with the Mariners even if Seattle made the best offer.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#mPuT8Mwo9vX33kyU.99

    ******

    It is not as if Hamilton can pitch for the Red Sox – or can he – - – -

  103. The Return of Stoneburner December 4th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Interesting little winter league – formerly injured players making up time – Heathcott, Adams, Gumbs, Betances – or being showcased??

  104. austinmac December 4th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    86w183,

    I will also eat crow and admit to my foolhardiness if the Yankees were to spend money.

    It is not the fans who say they are significantly cutting expenditures. It is the team. They are dropping $40M in payroll under the plan. They do so despite getting additional money form their own TV package and from the MLB TV agreement.

    They clearly value profit over winning. How do I know that? They told us by saying the cap is mandatory. AROD’s absence doesn’t matter. Nothing does.

    I believe it is you who doesn’t see the new reality.

  105. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    I’ll probably have to call Optimum again and see if I can get anything less than what it’s costing me now. Problem is I already have the bare-bones, basic package.

    A la carte channels please!

  106. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Hey, here’s a better question: When the Yankees don’t do anything.. who eats crow? No one? Everyone?

    I feel like ALL the crows should have a chance to be eaten.

  107. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    SS- lol is your contract up with optimum ? if so say your going elsewhere… like Verizon, and make a up an offer like 64.99 for 3 services ….say can you do better than that or come close…. say you love their service blah blah blah and would like to stay

  108. AAA December 4th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Interesting little winter league – formerly injured players making up time – Heathcott, Adams, Gumbs, Betances – or being showcased??

    ==================================

    Mostly the latter, I would think. Maybe just trying to see if there’s anything there anymore in the case of Bettances.

  109. Against All Odds December 4th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    OAA – I reward ALL the loyal subjects!

    Maybe if we just start thinking about forgetting the luxury tax enough the Yankees will do it. Like if we all stared at a tree trying to set it on fire or something..

    ——————–

    Thank you Queen :D

  110. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: For A-Rod, the beginning of the end? Column: http://t.co/NfzxJj4M

    Rosethal says that doctors can deem a player unable to perform and Arod would still get his money but insurance would cover 70% of it…..my question is does that count as retirement or just basically him being on the DL for 5 years?

  111. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    It does not count as retirement, A-rod’s contract would still be on the books, it would still affect the luxury tax.

  112. Mike Ri December 4th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Get better Arod !

  113. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Jerkface says:
    December 4, 2012 at 12:36 pm
    It does not count as retirement, A-rod’s contract would still be on the books, it would still affect the luxury tax.

    That’s stupid

  114. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    With baseball player insurance, you are only getting insurance payments if the player is under contract. The Yankees would get 70% of A-rod’s contract back, but that would just be pure profit, its not helping them get under the luxury tax.

  115. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    That’s stupid

    Baseball has guaranteed contracts, take it up with baseball. I don’t think its stupid. When signing big deals you risk injury.

  116. The Return of Stoneburner December 4th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Rosethal says that doctors can deem a player unable to perform and Arod would still get his money but insurance would cover 70% of it…..my question is does that count as retirement or just basically him being on the DL for 5 years?

    *****

    But in theory possibly – the savings on the 70% could equal or suprass any savings for being under 189 – so does ARod’s retirement act as a defacto savings enough for Hal to go above 189 then????

  117. AAA December 4th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    my question is does that count as retirement or just basically him being on the DL for 5 years?

    ================================

    The latter. It’s guaranteed money. It’s going to count against the luxury tax for the full boat. Whether the insurance companies cover it or the Yankees do is immaterial for lux tax purposes.

  118. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    But in theory possibly – the savings on the 70% could equal or suprass any savings for being under 189 – so does ARod’s retirement act as a defacto savings enough for Hal to go above 189 then????

    No its only 15 million per year.

  119. The Return of Stoneburner December 4th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    But in theory possibly – the savings on the 70% could equal or suprass any savings for being under 189 – so does ARod’s retirement act as a defacto savings enough for Hal to go above 189 then????

    No its only 15 million per year.

    *****

    How much is the tax then they are trying to avoid?

  120. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    “Baseball has guaranteed contracts, take it up with baseball. I don’t think its stupid. When signing big deals you risk injury.”

    I agree there….what I think is somewhat unfair is that you have to count a player towards your payroll when the player is unable to play……not saying the player shouldn’t get paid with a guaranteed contract….just saying that only active players on the roster should count towards the luxury tax……

  121. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    How much is the tax then they are trying to avoid?

    Well they pay 50% on amounts over 178 this year. 189 next 3 years. They can get rebates totaling 50 million if they are under the tax all 3 years, or the first 2 years. Then factor in whatever other savings you want for simply not spending money/not paying luxury tax.

  122. Bronx Jeers December 4th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    blake says:
    December 4, 2012 at 12:34 pm
    @Ken_Rosenthal: For A-Rod, the beginning of the end? Column: http://t.co/NfzxJj4M

    ———–

    Now is the beginning of the end? Which ARod was he watching?

    The one I watch began his end 4 seasons ago.

  123. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    The rule should be that the player is still paid….but only players on the active 40 man roster count towards the luxury tax….

  124. AAA December 4th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    what I think is somewhat unfair is that you have to count a player towards your payroll when the player is unable to play

    =============================

    That’s life in professional sports and CBAs. Reggie Lewis counted against the Boston Celtics salary cap for 3 years after he was dead.

  125. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    @mlbtraderumors: Cardinals, Yankees Eyeing Marco Scutaro http://t.co/hzeHSs7Z #mlb

    Scutero would be great cause he can play SS too

  126. jacksquat December 4th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner December 4th, 2012 at 11:10 am
    Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 11:07 am
    Is Tyler Austin hitting wise Mike Olt 2012?

    I think Austin in 2013 can become the Olt of 2012 yes. May end with him traded, as these kind of mid tier top 100 prospects tend to be. Getting Olt and possibly being able to fill 3rd/1B/RF with a combination of Olt/Austin in 2014 could help them get under 189

    ****

    What is your view of the Texas and PCL leagues? Just curious – – -

    Go look at the top hitting numbers in the TL compared to the PCL. TL might be a hitter’s league, but it’s like Yankee Stadium compared to Coors Field. PCL is ridiculous. You always have to be wary of hitter’s coming from the PCL. Some of them literally crush it in the PCL and suck in the majors.

    That said, Olt lead the entire TL in OPS and HR. It’s AA though, not AAA.

  127. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    “That’s life in professional sports and CBAs. Reggie Lewis counted against the Boston Celtics salary cap for 3 years after he was dead.”

    Maybe so….but doesn’t seem very fair

  128. The Return of Stoneburner December 4th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Go look at the top hitting numbers in the TL compared to the PCL. TL might be a hitter’s league, but it’s like Yankee Stadium compared to Coors Field. PCL is ridiculous. You always have to be wary of hitter’s coming from the PCL. Some of them literally crush it in the PCL and suck in the majors.

    That said, Olt lead the entire TL in OPS and HR. It’s AA though, not AAA.

    ****

    Thanks.

  129. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    @nickcafardo: Red Sox didn’t like what they saw on Dan Haren’s medicals on his hip.

  130. jacksquat December 4th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
    @Ken_Rosenthal: For A-Rod, the beginning of the end? Column: http://t.co/NfzxJj4M

    Rosethal says that doctors can deem a player unable to perform and Arod would still get his money but insurance would cover 70% of it…..my question is does that count as retirement or just basically him being on the DL for 5 years?

    Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
    It does not count as retirement, A-rod’s contract would still be on the books, it would still affect the luxury tax.

    Which means the Yankees save a bunch of money but don’t have to spend to replace him because hey, that money is still counting against the CBT limit. Hal’s dream situation.

  131. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    So basically there is no way Arod would ever retire when he could just have a dr deem him unable to play and he’d still he paid……and that doesn’t help the Yankees at all other than giving Hal the insurance for his money bin

  132. AAA December 4th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Maybe so….but doesn’t seem very fair

    ==============================

    Yeah. I bet teams like the Celtics and Yankees going to their respective leagues and saying “this isn’t fair” really resonates.

  133. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    “Which means the Yankees save a bunch of money but don’t have to spend to replace him because hey, that money is still counting against the CBT limit. Hal’s dream situation.”

    Yes

  134. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Yes, the fans only win in 2 scenarios: A-rod comes back healthy and can play, A-rod retires forfeiting over 100 million dollars

    The least likely scenarios!

  135. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    “Yeah. I bet teams like the Celtics and Yankees going to their respective leagues and saying “this isn’t fair” really resonates.”

    There is a difference between two organizations creating their own good fortunes…..and an unfair rule

  136. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    “Jerkface says:
    December 4, 2012 at 12:54 pm
    Yes, the fans only win in 2 scenarios: A-rod comes back healthy and can play, A-rod retires forfeiting over 100 million dollars

    The least likely scenarios!”

    :(

  137. Nick in SF December 4th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Okay, what if Arod retires and then the Yankees leave a suitcase full of lottery tickets in his cabana? One of those tickets hits and BOOM! there’s his $100 million. Problem solved. Take that, silly CBA.

  138. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    A-rod comes back healthy, is good
    A-rod comes back healthy, is bad
    A-rod is not healthy, and good in what playing time he gets
    A-rod is not healthy, and bad
    A-rod is not healthy, and cannot even play
    A-rod is not healthy, and retires

    These are the scenarios in descending order of health for the fans.

  139. blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    @jcrasnick: Momentum is building in Shane Victorino talks. A deal could get done in Nashville.

  140. blake December 4th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    @jcrasnick: The Pagan & Bourn deals appear to be helping Victorino’s market. He’s now looking at a 3- or 4-year contract.

    How in the world is a 3-4 year deal for Victorino a good idea for Cleveland?

  141. AAA December 4th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    There is a difference between two organizations creating their own good fortunes…..and an unfair rule

    ===========================

    Suppose, but the rule is the rule. No sense beefing about it. Not going to be addressed before the next CBA.

  142. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    does that mean the Yanks are in on Shane :(

  143. blake December 4th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    “A-rod is not healthy, and retires”

    Is rank this as #2….but it seems the changes of that are less than zero

  144. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    blake December 4th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    The rule should be that the player is still paid….but only players on the active 40 man roster count towards the luxury tax….

    —————–

    It’s too easy of a loophole, blake.

    The teams need to have some penalty for giving out bad deals… paying them and having it count is the penalty. Which seems wholly fair. The alternative is being like the NFL which allows teams to drive players physically into the ground and then not pay them at all.

  145. blake December 4th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    @mlbtraderumors: The Mets continue to push for Wil Myers in trade talks with the Royals, according to ESPNNY. http://t.co/Eg0cC55H

  146. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    please go sign Josh call it a day Ca$$$hman ;)

  147. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Shame Victorino could be my dad’s handle if he ever decides to start posting here..

  148. blake December 4th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    “It’s too easy of a loophole, blake.”

    You’d have to state that sufficient medical evidence has to be supplied to prove that the players career is over…..Im not talking about DL stints….Im talking about career ending injuries

  149. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    if KC gives up Wil for Dickey , KC should just shutdown the business

  150. AAA December 4th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    How in the world is a 3-4 year deal for Victorino a good idea for Cleveland?

    ===============================

    Can’t see how it’s a good idea for anyone.

    Also, what Bourn deal? Wasn’t aware he signed anywhere.

  151. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    blake December 4th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    @mlbtraderumors: The Mets continue to push for Wil Myers in trade talks with the Royals, according to ESPNNY. http://t.co/Eg0cC55H

    ——————

    I do really like Sandy. He’s a good baseball guy.

  152. blake December 4th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    The Yanks (I hope) aren’t giving Shane 3 years

  153. UnKnown December 4th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Ha, someone set up a fake SJ account on twitter.

    @RealJoeCasale16

  154. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    JIM BOWDEN ?@JimBowdenESPNxm
    The negotiations are presently at a standstill between R. A. Dickey and the New York Mets increasing expectations that Dickey will traded
    Retweeted by Adam Rubin

  155. G. Love December 4th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    I think we should automatically sign Scutaro just so Mo doesn’t have to face him in what could be his final season.

  156. blake December 4th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    “Also, what Bourn deal? Wasn’t aware he signed anywhere”

    I guess they are just talking about his market

  157. blake December 4th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    @jcrasnick: Pardon me: I meant Upton and Pagan deals have helped Victorino. Not Bourn, obviously.

    There ya go

  158. oak2455 December 4th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Jerry Crasnick ?@jcrasnick
    #Indians have emerged as a prime suitor for Victorino. Terry Francona reached out to him personally earlier in offseason.

    good enjoy the midgs( or whatever)

  159. blake December 4th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    @FollowThePadres: The #Padres have no interest in trading 3B Chase Headley. GM Josh Byrnes not ruling out extension: http://t.co/Ko6cvu4T

  160. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    blake December 4th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    “It’s too easy of a loophole, blake.”

    You’d have to state that sufficient medical evidence has to be supplied to prove that the players career is over…..Im not talking about DL stints….Im talking about career ending injuries

    —————–

    Still.. it’s the risk you take when handing out long term pacts to any player. I mean, the Dodgers could give Cano $200 million and have him snap his knee so badly he can never play again. I don’t think they should be off the hook for it in terms of team salary because they got a bad break.

    I get what you’re saying but the focus has to go back to the Yankees and not Arod. Arod’s deal doesn’t hurt the team if they don’t let it. They gave him the deal knowing the rules and possible consequences.

  161. blake December 4th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Yes a rebuilding team signing a 31 year old declining player to a multi year deal seems smart

  162. Jerkface December 4th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Probably meant Upton

  163. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    UnKnown December 4th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Ha, someone set up a fake SJ account on twitter.

    @RealJoeCasale16
    ———————-

    LOL!

  164. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Let’s take our drama over here :arrow:

  165. blake December 4th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    “Still.. it’s the risk you take when handing out long term pacts to any player. I mean, the Dodgers could give Cano $200 million and have him snap his knee so badly he can never play again. I don’t think they should be off the hook for it in terms of team salary because they got a bad break.”

    They aren’t off the hook…. Still would have to pay him….I just don’t think it should count towards the taxable payroll because it prevents you going and replacing a player that will never play again

  166. jacksquat December 4th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Mike Olt:

    .288 .398 .579 .977, AA
    Texas League

    Ronnier Mustelier:

    .353 .412 .598 1.010 AA, Eastern League
    .303 .359 .455 .815 AAA, International League
    .314 .371 .488 .859 combined AA+AAA

    Make the league adjustment, are they that different? (aside from Olt being 4 years younger, but this isn’t about prospect status)

  167. brianlopez22 December 4th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    jacksquat –
    Olt is a better defender at 3B than Tyler Austin and Ronnier.
    That said, I agree that if the price is too high, I’d rather have Ronnier get a chance.

    We all saw Olt struggle in the bigs last year.

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