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A partial answer in right field?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 05, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

For obvious reasons, there’s been a lot of attention paid to the Yankees third base situation, but they also have a massive hole in right field and Buster Olney reports that left-handed hitter Nate Schierholtz is “making good progress” toward a deal and that the Yankees are the frontrunners. The good and bad of Schierholtz is obvious. His numbers against left-handers are stunningly bad, but this is what Schierholtz has done against right-handers the past two years

2011: .288/.340/.461 for an .801 OPS
2012: .287/.360/.466 for an .826 OPS

Schierholtz would be replacing Nick Swisher, whose numbers against right-handers were up in 2010, dipped in 2011 and went back up in 2012. For his career, Swisher is a .250/.342/.478 with an .820 OPS against right-handers. That’s more or less in line with Schierholtz’s most recent production, but it’s significantly better than Schierholtz’s career numbers (.266/.319/.413 in his career against righties).

If the past two years are a true indication of what to expect, Schierholtz could give the Yankees production similar to what they’ve come to expect, at least for one half of a platoon. The Yankees would clearly need to pair him with a right-handed hitter, but he’s still just 28 years old and should have some prime years ahead of him.

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555 Responses to “A partial answer in right field?”

  1. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    The Yankees will not be the Yankees if they are simply clumped in a group of 5-7 teams at a certain payroll range. Their advantage was in out spending the competition, not simply spending the same amounts. It is unrealistic for them to be able to outspend the Dodgers at this point, but they can match them, and matching them would be outspending the red sox, phillies, tigers, mets, red sox, angels, and rangers

    —————-

    Stop JF, you’re making people insecure about ‘buying championship’… and insecurity that makes absolutely no sense but still exists. Like agoraphobia or something..

  2. 98NYY December 5th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Time for a new Core Four. Montgomery, Williams, Heathcliff, Adams.

  3. Mike Ri December 5th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Yes !!!! . .More Platoon Players !!!

  4. Patrick December 5th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Why get Nate Schierholtz? He wouldn’t be any better than Dickerson

  5. oak2455 December 5th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Pat

    NOPE!

  6. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    blake says:
    December 5, 2012 at 11:34 am
    Rosenthal reporting that the 4 way for Upton was between the Indians, Rangers, Rays, and Dbacks…….meanwhile Cashman chases bench players

  7. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Schierholtz??? This is like expecting a Cabbage Patch Doll under the tree, and instead finding a Troll Doll.

  8. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Hahahaha, so I just realized PeteAbe blocked me on Twitter??

    I think it’s Doc’s fault lol. He told me about how Pete blocked him because he called him a fat pig so I.. laughed.

  9. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    I have a feeling we will be missing Nick Swisher by the middle of April

  10. oak2455 December 5th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    GO CASH GO

    HOME!!!!!!!!

  11. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    @JonHeymanCBS

    Part of #twins shop list: saunders, blanton, liriano, pelf, ejax, marcum, lannan, mccarthy, jurrjens, pavano. need 2/3 SPs

  12. Hassey December 5th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Yankees speaking to the team of doctors for Willie Mays Hayes

  13. oak2455 December 5th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Thats funny Shame!!!!

  14. tucker December 5th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Joe G. sharpening his pencil in anticipation … Now, let’s get Jonesy!

  15. Triple Short of a Cycle December 5th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    There will always be elite FA looking for a big score and the Yanks will always have the option of getting involved. This year you had a slew of really good OF led by Hamilton, one of the most talented players in the game.

    ——————————————————

    Hamilton is 31 with an injury history. He is far from elite. Outside of Matt Holiday a few years ago where are all these elite OF Free agents?

    Grienke is a number 2 who is looking for number 1 ace elite pitching money. I just don’t see the Yanks being able to land 3 or 4 elite free agents in the future.

  16. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    @BNightengale: The #Dbacks, #rangers, #indians and #rays have reopened talks of possible 4 team trade involving likes of Shields,Upton,Cabrera

    Where is Cashman?

  17. dan l December 5th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    His numbers away from SF are better as well.

  18. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    If we don’t win in the off season AND the actual season… does that matter?

  19. oak2455 December 5th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Cashman WAKEUP!!!

  20. G. Love December 5th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    I can tell you guys I know for a fact that the Yankees season ticket agents have been told that by some fans that if the team doesn’t improve the offense there will be no renewal. It seems they’ve been hearing that from a lot of different fans. It’s clear to customers that this “cost cutting” is essentially a cash grab for the owners and we’re not going to pay Tiffany prices for a Zales team.

    The dead money in Tex’s contract and the really dead money in Arod’s contract is the Yankees responsibility to deal with. To place that burden on their fans is reprehensible.

    Frankly, they’re playing with fire.

    They are stubborn. They want to see how far they can push this and get away with it, but what we’re watching right now if they don’t make the big moves and improve this lineup is the alienation of lifelong fans who poured heart, soul & dollars into this team.

    To anyone from the Yankees trolling this forum, Cashman’s comments above make me want to block you guys from my email and cell phone.

    Your front man has the tact of an overworked physician whose lost touch that his patients are real people he’s speaking to.

  21. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Hahahaha, so I just realized PeteAbe blocked me on Twitter??

    The scranton wilkes barre beat writer blocked me on twitter for suggesting Jorge Vazquez would not be a major league quality hitter. Mine seems less fair.

  22. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Just Gimme Youk and Ludwick.

  23. Warning Track Power December 5th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Schierholtz would be an upgrade over Dickerson because of is defense.
    Schierholtz has a very, very strong arm and in RF, that is necessary.
    Obviously the guy can’t hit lefties, but do you really think the Yankees would run him out
    there against lefties? NO!

    Don’t get me wrong, I like Dickerson and have seen his occasional flashes of brilliance, but
    Schierholtz could be the answer as a RF platoon player.

  24. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Lemmi speculate on the main pieces ( lots o prospects would have to be added also)

    Rangers get: Upton and Shields
    Rays get : Andrus + prospects
    Dbacks get: Asdrubal + propects
    Indians get: Skaggs/Bauer + prospects

  25. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Hahahaha, so I just realized PeteAbe blocked me on Twitter??

    The scranton wilkes barre beat writer blocked me on twitter for suggesting Jorge Vazquez would not be a major league quality hitter. Mine seems less fair.

    ———–

    It’s kind of amazing.. I don’t love guys like Heyman and Onley, but at least they take it with a grain of salt.

    Who knew media guys could be so sensitive…

  26. Triple Short of a Cycle December 5th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    The scranton wilkes barre beat writer blocked me on twitter for suggesting Jorge Vazquez would not be a major league quality hitter. Mine seems less fair.

    ———————————-

    :)

  27. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    “Have faith in the Yankees my son.”

    ? Ernest Hemingway, The Old Man and the Sea

  28. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Schierholtz would be an upgrade over a cadaver, that’s about all.

  29. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    It’s kind of amazing.. I don’t love guys like Heyman and Onley, but at least they take it with a grain of salt.

    Who knew media guys could be so sensitive…

    No way, Olney maybe, he likes to retweet his haters, but Heyman is a blocker. He will block you at the drop of a hat.

  30. Tackelberry December 5th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    oak2455 December 5th, 2012 at 11:41 am
    Cashman WAKEUP!!!

    ____________

    oak2455 GO BACK TO SLEEP!!!

  31. G. Love December 5th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Pete blocked FakePeteGammons too. I think when ‘ole FakePete told him he always wanted to bounce him on his knee he blocked him.

  32. mick December 5th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Maybe this schierholz thing is to get ichiro to lower his demands?

  33. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    If the team were going to say, ‘eff this, we’re going with the young kids!’ I’d be on board with that.

    The problem is that doesn’t seem to be in the plans either. Romine understandably needs to start in AAA, so we’ll see how he progresses and if they make use of him. I don’t see why you’d need Keppinger/Chavez though.. one or the other paired with Adams would be nice. Get the kid some reps. Get him some playing time.

  34. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    The rays just traded for Escobar, so I think they’d want someone other than Andrus or cabrera. Could this be a deal where Texas gets Upton & doesn’t have to give up profar or andrus?

  35. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Tell Uhm G love!

  36. Warning Track Power December 5th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 11:45 am
    Schierholtz would be an upgrade over a cadaver, that’s about all.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    There could be other “name players” out there, but if the price is not right or if that player’s demands are too high, then it’s all about compromise and going to plan b, c or d.
    If acquiring a player to fill a need was so easy, then there would be no scheduled
    winter meetings.

    Nate S. is not a name player, all-star player or future HOF player, but he might be a great fit in the Yankees puzzle. Who knows??

  37. Patrick December 5th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Heyman feeds trolls way too often, he’s a dope

  38. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    “The rays just traded for Escobar, so I think they’d want someone other than Andrus or cabrera. Could this be a deal where Texas gets Upton & doesn’t have to give up profar or andrus?”

    Maybe….Daniels might try using Asdrubal to get Upton just like Cashman should…. Where does Shields go ( Arizona?). What do the Rays get?

  39. Hassey December 5th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Dykstra getting 6 1/2 months really impacted Cash’s plans to rebuild the OF this offseason

  40. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    I take Ludwick over Schierholtz. NOT even close.

  41. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    If Daniels uses Asdrubal to get Upton and Keeps Andrus and Profar then I’m gonna be pisssed

  42. G. Love December 5th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Hassey for the win!

  43. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    How is Daniels getting Cabrera???

  44. yankee21 December 5th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    G love – outstanding 1141 post. Agree 100%

  45. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Some of you are ridiculous with the gloom and doom predictions. Division titles are won in September and pennants in October, not in December.

    ———————–

    Is it doom and gloom or just taking a look at what is about to happen. The team has survived this long because they could always spend. It was the one advantage they had. I said it earlier once you remove their big advantage what other advantage do they have? They don’t develop premium players, they no longer spend like the Yankees, etc. What is the advantage they have?

  46. AAA December 5th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Rangers get: Upton and Shields
    Rays get : Andrus + prospects
    Dbacks get: Asdrubal + propects
    Indians get: Skaggs/Bauer + prospects

    =====================

    If something like this happened, at least you’d know why the Yankees aren’t in it.

  47. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Hassey December 5th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Dykstra getting 6 1/2 months really impacted Cash’s plans to rebuild the OF this offseason

    ——————–

    Old but still gritty

  48. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Ahh.. showing me the light on Heyman. Guy has so many haters though, it’s hard to believe he’d block them all.

    I like the guys that RT their haters because at least they understand the journo/fan relationship.

  49. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    If it’s me and you chosin’ sides down at the school yard, I take Andrus and you can have Cabrera. And you can have that Spencer Girl.

  50. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 5th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    DONNYBROOK,

    The difference between Schierholtz and Ludwick’s salary demands are night and day. If you’re discussing Ludwick, you have to discuss Hamilton on a 3 or 4 year deal….that bat and Yankee Stadium’s RF porch were born for one another.

  51. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Cabrera, Andrus – Diamondbacks

    Shields – Rangers

    Upton – Rays

    Bauer and others (maybe some of the Dbacks OFers like Pollock or Eaton) – Indians

  52. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    From what I have read, Ludwick issa 2yr proposition.

  53. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    The Return of Stoneburner says:
    December 5, 2012 at 11:51 am
    How is Daniels getting Cabrera???

    He’s not….might be using him to get Upton so he can keep Andrus

  54. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    G. Love December 5th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Pete blocked FakePeteGammons too. I think when ‘ole FakePete told him he always wanted to bounce him on his knee he blocked him.

    —————

    I wonder if Pete felt he was being sexually harassed…

  55. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    How is Daniels getting Cabrera???

    He’s not….might be using him to get Upton so he can keep Andrus

    ****

    No – how is he starting the conversation to get Cabrera to get Upton?? What piece other than Andrus?

  56. Hassey December 5th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    I don;t care about replacing HRs at RF, 3B, C and maybe even CF if Grandy gets bounced. I’d be thrilled with four .270 hitters who K 80 times and end up with 75 RBI and 20 sac flies each. Love me some defense and ability to go from 1st to 3rd…or at least score from 2nd on a single

  57. Warning Track Power December 5th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Hassey
    Excellent post. Those type of players can be the difference between losing in the ALCS or winning the WS in 2013.
    This team does not need to have a marquee name at every position on the field & on the mound.
    Role players, kind of like the guys the Yankees had in the late 90′s and about 10 years ago
    would serve the team well.

  58. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    “No – how is he starting the conversation to get Cabrera to get Upton?? What piece other than Andrus?”

    Derek holland, Martin, etc….

  59. oak2455 December 5th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Ok Dingleberry…………..I’ll sleep like the Yanks!!!

  60. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Some of you are ridiculous with the gloom and doom predictions. Division titles are won in September and pennants in October, not in December.

    ———————–

    Is it doom and gloom or just taking a look at what is about to happen. The team has survived this long because they could always spend. It was the one advantage they had. I said it earlier once you remove their big advantage what other advantage do they have? They don’t develop premium players, they no longer spend like the Yankees, etc. What is the advantage they have?

    ———————

    And it’s not doom and gloom over just this off season.. it’s the lack of planning over the two before this that are so frustrating. As if NO ONE could have possibly predicted Arod and Jeter would *gasp!* get older!!! As if NO ONE could have predicted that *gasp!* we couldn’t afford to keep Swisher/Granderson! As if NO ONE could have predicted we’d still be chasing starting pitching every. single. off season.

  61. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    And before anyone tells me to relax about 2014 and think about 2013.. let’s put this into perspective: The Yankees are not my job. I have another job that I neglect just to think about what the Yankees will do in future years.

    There is a whole group of people who have jobs based ENTIRELY on planning the future of the New York Yankees.

  62. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Hell, we shoulda held onto Maxwell. That guy beats Schierholtz 5 ways to Suday.

  63. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Some of you are ridiculous with the gloom and doom predictions. Division titles are won in September and pennants in October, not in December.

    ———————–

    Is it doom and gloom or just taking a look at what is about to happen. The team has survived this long because they could always spend. It was the one advantage they had. I said it earlier once you remove their big advantage what other advantage do they have? They don’t develop premium players, they no longer spend like the Yankees, etc. What is the advantage they have?

    ———————

    And it’s not doom and gloom over just this off season.. it’s the lack of planning over the two before this that are so frustrating. As if NO ONE could have possibly predicted Arod and Jeter would *gasp!* get older!!! As if NO ONE could have predicted that *gasp!* we couldn’t afford to keep Swisher/Granderson! As if NO ONE could have predicted we’d still be chasing starting pitching every. single. off season.

    ——————————–

    Every single off season it’s hat in hand waiting for Andy. I love him and glad to have him back but one yr he’s not going to come back. The same applies to Mo.

  64. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    @mlbtraderumors: Teams Contacting Rangers About Holland http://t.co/1ExrDH9E #mlb

  65. oak2455 December 5th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Maxwell was a good player and plays good D, also Wise was a mistake

  66. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 12:01 pm


    You can spend the money and still have the plan to get down near and under $189 over the next 4 years

    After 4 years: CC, Tex, and Jeter are off the books.
    I eagerly await the arrival of Tyler Austin, Masion Williams, Slade Heathcott, and Gary Sanchez.
    I also await 2 of the Jose Ramirez, Ty Hensley, Adam Warren, Manny Banuelos batch to pitch.

    Trading Granderson -15mm
    Signing Hamilton + 20mm
    Signing Cano -14mm +20mm (net +6 mm)
    Signing Hughes -8mm + 13mm (net +5 mm)

    in 2014:
    Mo gone -13 mm
    Andy gone -10 mm
    Kuroda gone -14 mm
    (That’s -37 mm + 16 mm from above = -21 mm)

    in 2016:
    Tex gone -24 mm
    Maybe Jeter gone -15mm

    in 2017:
    CC gone -24mm
    or Jeter gone here -15 mm

    in 2018:
    ARod gone – 30mm

    Now there will be signings in between and extensions and free agent signings.
    But there is A LOT of money coming off the books in the next 5 years.

  67. MG December 5th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Memo to Brian Cashman:

    For someone who wound up as the General Manager of the Yankees mostly because you were better at picking up George’s dry cleaning and calzones than George Costanzo you sure have developed an ego far beyond your abilities or track record.

    Every time you use the word ‘I’ to describe something relating to the Yankees instead of ‘we’ you get one step closer to losing long time fans like myself.

    It’s not ‘I’, Brian, it’s ‘We’, the Yankees are a team and entire organization, the last time I looked you weren’t the owner.

    When you write a check for $3B to buy the team outright and stop screwing around with lunatic stalkers maybe you will earn some respect from the fan base-until then, show some humility and be thankful you aren’t sweeping floors at the neighborhood 7-Eleven.

  68. Tackelberry December 5th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    oak2455 December 5th, 2012 at 11:57 am
    Ok Dingleberry…………..I’ll sleep like the Yanks!!!

    ___________________________________

    Nah, Yanks will awaken. You can stay asleep

  69. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    MG,

    Good to see you….now tell us what you really think :)

  70. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Derek holland, Martin, etc….

    *****

    I guess – I thought Cleveland wanted pitchers or OFers with 0+ service time – Holland is already signed to a deal – not sure whether Martin hurt his stock with his so-so pitching performances in 2012 – - – -

  71. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    I guess – I thought Cleveland wanted pitchers or OFers with 0+ service time – Holland is already signed to a deal – not sure whether Martin hurt his stock with his so-so pitching performances in 2012 – – – -

    I was talking about the outfielder Martin….but Martin Perez too

  72. Warning Track Power December 5th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    oak2455 December 5th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    Maxwell was a good player and plays good D, also Wise was a mistake
    —————————————————————————————————–

    Maxwell is a good player. The Yankees made the wrong choice by sending him packing to allow A. Jones to be on the roster last season.
    Nobody could have predicted the great season Maxwell would have in Houston and the poor season A. Jones would have in NYC.
    Easy to criticize that move now, but last April it appeared the Yankees made the right move
    by choosing A. Jones.

  73. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    developed an ego

    *****

    Yeah, I guess 4 WS and the most consistent track record for the past 14 or so seasons will do that – - – -

  74. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    I was talking about the outfielder Martin….but Martin Perez too

    ****

    But does Leonys Martin excite anyone? Is he more of a 4th OFer on a good team – at least that is what they say here in Dallas – - – -

  75. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    I think Cashman should have an ego, but it should be directed at every other team in baseball in a ‘I’m gonna get all your players’ manner, and not at the fan base in a ‘I’m gonna save all the money’ manner.

  76. chicken little December 5th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    There is no reason why the Yankees even with the budget should be in this position. People bash the BoSox for their stupid contracts, but at least they had the foresight to get out them before it was to late. I mean come on — Cashman couldn’t figure out that the Dodgers were willing to spend like crazy and couldn’t say — pick up 3/4 of A-Rod’s deal and we give you Tex as well (Dodgers went to Yanks about Tex before did deal with Boston). Cashman couldn’t figure out mid season the team he built wasn’t going anywhere and traded Granderson for prospects or controllable players? Cashman couldn’t figure out 2 years ago to start getting his budget in line so that by 2014 he wouldn’t be where he is now — at about 170 million in payroll with 20 roster spots open and no funds to fill them with? the problem is the Yanks should be able to win with a $189 budget. Only problem is they never came up with a game plan to make it happen. Now, for the next 3 years we will watch the corpses slowly decay and/or retire, fill spots with marginal players and hope that by the time Hal panics and spends money again, the free agents available will be King Felix and Verlander types and not Kyle Lohse and Jeff Keppinger.

  77. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Seems GM’s are running away from the high prices on free agents, and Now attempting to trade to fill needs. That Scutaro signing was Horrible. He turned a couple months into a Gold Mine.

  78. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    and not at the fan base in a ‘I’m gonna save all the money’ manner.

    ****

    While directed somewhat at the fanbase – I always thought it was primarily directed at certain critics in the media – - – -

  79. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    But does Leonys Martin excite anyone? Is he more of a 4th OFer on a good team – at least that is what they say here in Dallas – – – -

    He’d be a piece maybe….I think he’s a regular maybe at some point…..a deal that size it’s really hard to predict what specifics would be….only motives for the main guys

  80. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    MG!!!!

    What’s up buddy? I know this place got you down but I promise joining our collective pity party now will be much better than needing to be placed in the Yankee fan reintegration program at a later date…

  81. MG December 5th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
    MG,

    Good to see you….now tell us what you really think
    —————————-
    blake, I don’t spend much time in the offseason thinking about baseball (and I am really busy running my business) but Cashman’s preoccupation with the word ‘I’ is a real red flag for me.

    I’ve managed hundreds of people in my life, run companies and never once used the word ‘I’ regarding something the business had to accomplish other than saying ‘I will be responsible’ or something similar.

    Professional managers always give credit to their staffs, how in the world does Cashman think his staff (or the owners) will react when it’s ‘I’ every time he opens his mouth?

    The Yankees can do better than Cashman in the front office, he is a little man with an inferiority complex.

  82. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Martin did hit .359 .422 .610 1.033 in the PCL :)

    But he also hit .348 .435 .571 1.007 in the TL.

    He is a top 100 prospect, cuban guy, I don’t know why Dallas radio would consider him a 4th OFer. He is only 24

  83. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    ‘I’m gonna get all your players’ manner,

    ——————-

    Thats how the Lakers GM operates :)

  84. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    There was a LOTTA chatter here when the Yanks 86′d Maxwell. This aint rear view mirror stuff.

  85. chicken little December 5th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    A. Jones/Maxwell thing shows the Yankees’ problem. They always pick the aging veteran, not the younger player with upside. Better to be wrong when you pick a younger player — I mean best case scenario last year is Jones hits 20 homers and at age 35 is a free agent? Maxwell? Best case scenario is you get 3-4 years out of him with decent production — worse case — You trade or pick up one of a million veterans always available for bench roles.

  86. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Easy to criticize that move now

    *cough* *cough*

  87. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Maxwell is a good player. The Yankees made the wrong choice by sending him packing to allow A. Jones to be on the roster last season.
    Nobody could have predicted the great season Maxwell would have in Houston and the poor season A. Jones would have in NYC.
    Easy to criticize that move now, but last April it appeared the Yankees made the right move
    by choosing A. Jones.

    ——————

    I dunno about this, go back to the day they let him go and I’m pretty sure people on here were able to predict that Maxwell would be more useful than Jones (on a team that already had Ibanez).

  88. Tackelberry December 5th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
    ‘I’m gonna get all your players’ manner,

    ——————-

    Thats how the Lakers GM operates

    __________________________

    Yup, and he was smart enough to hire D’Antoni instead of Phil Jackson too :)

  89. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: #rangers said working hard now on justin upton.

    Wonder if this means they have caved on Andrus ….and if it affects Hamilton

  90. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    vThere is no reason why the Yankees even with the budget should be in this position. People bash the BoSox for their stupid contracts, but at least they had the foresight to get out them before it was to late. I mean come on — Cashman couldn’t figure out that the Dodgers were willing to spend like crazy and couldn’t say — pick up 3/4 of A-Rod’s deal and we give you Tex as well (Dodgers went to Yanks about Tex before did deal with Boston). Cashman couldn’t figure out mid season the team he built wasn’t going anywhere and traded Granderson for prospects or controllable players? Cashman couldn’t figure out 2 years ago to start getting his budget in line so that by 2014 he wouldn’t be where he is now — at about 170 million in payroll with 20 roster spots open and no funds to fill them with? the problem is the Yanks should be able to win with a $189 budget. Only problem is they never came up with a game plan to make it happen. Now, for the next 3 years we will watch the corpses slowly decay and/or retire, fill spots with marginal players and hope that by the time Hal panics and spends money again, the free agents available will be King Felix and Verlander types and not Kyle Lohse and Jeff Keppinger.

    ___

    Tex and Alex have no trade clauses. Maybe Alex agrees, but Tex would not.

  91. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    I think Cashman should have an ego, but it should be directed at every other team in baseball in a ‘I’m gonna get all your players’ manner, and not at the fan base in a ‘I’m gonna save all the money’ manner.

    ————

    Yes.

    A part of being not-Jennifer Lopez, is having an ego that insists you be GREAT in all facets.

  92. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    I dunno about this, go back to the day they let him go and I’m pretty sure people on here were able to predict that Maxwell would be more useful than Jones (on a team that already had Ibanez).
    ___

    I remember saying they should hold onto Maxwell. The kid has potential and could have solved our RF situation. We didnt need Andruw Jones!

  93. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    He is a top 100 prospect, cuban guy, I don’t know why Dallas radio would consider him a 4th OFer. He is only 24

    *****

    He is on the Rangers – they are not rushing him into any lineup any time soon – which says a lot – and they were not particularly overjoyed with his mlb performance – though limited – to date – - – -

    Plus – he is in that lower tier 100 – which as you indicated – those guys you never know

    Here is what BA had to say BEFORE the season and BEFORE David Murphy had his season:

    79

    Leonys Martin

    of, Rangers

    Age: 24.

    ETA: 2012.

    He’s likely good enough to beat out Julio Borbon, David Murphy in Texas, but will he be a star or just solid?

    Again – maybe he is a solid OFer for a lower tier team like the Indians – but a 4th OFer on a more competent team. Regardless – I don’t think he is a big piece in any trade – - – -

  94. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Tackelberry December 5th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
    ‘I’m gonna get all your players’ manner,

    ——————-

    Thats how the Lakers GM operates

    __________________________

    Yup, and he was smart enough to hire D’Antoni instead of Phil Jackson too :)

    —————————-

    You can blame Jim and Jerry Buss for that sir :).

  95. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    A solid OFer is not a 4th OFer on a good team. That could be an .800 OPS guy.

  96. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    If the Rangers get Upton then I at least hope they have to give up Andrus to do it…..and I hope they don’t then sign Hamilton as well

  97. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Can any team be so upset at 54 PA in the majors??? Martin isn’t the centerpiece of any deal, but like you said being a bottom 100 guy he is the type that is not a sure thing and the same type of guy who is traded and considered a good piece in a trade.

  98. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    But given the 4 teams involved, I don’t think the Rangers get Upton in a 4 way without giving up Andrus. So its all probably moot.

  99. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS

    3 and 4 team scenarios r talk at moment. Az, cle, tex, tb involved. Normally I say no way. But that’s 4 gms who can juggle

  100. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Most think Martin will be an everyday outfielder and one of the things the Indians wanted was an outfielder with almost zero service time…..fits as a piece

  101. chicken little December 5th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    There is no reason why the Yankees even with the budget should be in this position. People bash the BoSox for their stupid contracts, but at least they had the foresight to get out them before it was to late. I mean come on — Cashman couldn’t figure out that the Dodgers were willing to spend like crazy and couldn’t say — pick up 3/4 of A-Rod’s deal and we give you Tex as well (Dodgers went to Yanks about Tex before did deal with Boston). Cashman couldn’t figure out mid season the team he built wasn’t going anywhere and traded Granderson for prospects or controllable players? Cashman couldn’t figure out 2 years ago to start getting his budget in line so that by 2014 he wouldn’t be where he is now — at about 170 million in payroll with 20 roster spots open and no funds to fill them with? the problem is the Yanks should be able to win with a $189 budget. Only problem is they never came up with a game plan to make it happen. Now, for the next 3 years we will watch the corpses slowly decay and/or retire, fill spots with marginal players and hope that by the time Hal panics and spends money again, the free agents available will be King Felix and Verlander types and not Kyle Lohse and Jeff Keppinger.

    ___

    Tex and Alex have no trade clauses. Maybe Alex agrees, but Tex would not.

    ___

    There is no evidence Cash even thought of including Alex. He rejected the Tex request out of hand (plus Tex may have agreed — if the Dodgers were desperate enough they would have added a year to his contract or something). Boston was smart enough to insist Crawford and Beckett go in the deal, and the Ddogers were dumb enough to agree.

  102. MG December 5th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    MG!!!!

    What’s up buddy? I know this place got you down but I promise joining our collective pity party now will be much better than needing to be placed in the Yankee fan reintegration program at a later date…
    ——————-
    Shame, collective pity parties aren’t my style and I am a very long time Yankees fan, that won’t change whether they win or not.

    The Yankees are paying the price now for the sins of the 2002-2008 time period where they traded for so many aging veterans and let the farm system get depleted-it could be something similar to the late 80′s or mid’60′s for them, we won’t know until they actually play games.

    I suppose they could do a reset by trading Granderson and/or Cano now for prospects, they could still be competitive because of their pitching and maybe get something done in the post-season but who knows, hindsight is always 20-20.

  103. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Where is Cashman!

  104. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    I dunno about this, go back to the day they let him go and I’m pretty sure people on here were able to predict that Maxwell would be more useful than Jones (on a team that already had Ibanez).
    ___

    I remember saying they should hold onto Maxwell. The kid has potential and could have solved our RF situation. We didnt need Andruw Jones!

    ————

    Yeah some of us are getting lumped in with a group that just wants all NAME players but really we just want guys with more potential than the guys we’re playing now (who have none and are on the down-turn). Maxwell is a great example of exactly why so many of us are so frustrated. Would that not have possibly been a longer-term option for us given the fiscal climate?

  105. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Can any team be so upset at 54 PA in the majors??? Martin isn’t the centerpiece of any deal, but like you said being a bottom 100 guy he is the type that is not a sure thing and the same type of guy who is traded and considered a good piece in a trade.

    ****

    He is a piece – I would not say he is a good piece. He is a piece like a David Adams.

  106. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    The Rays being involved likely means Shields….trying to figure out what they’d be getting back

  107. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    J Upton vs Hamilton. If it’s only on-the-field performance, I go with Hamilton. If the Rangers are hot on Upton, they musta pulled out on Hamilton. Few suitors for Hamilton

  108. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Another day, some song.

    Nick Cafardo, a Boston reporter, emphasized how important it is to keep the fans involved and excited. He said the Sox management is well aware of this.

    I do not think Yankee ownership truly understands the implications of ill will with the fans and a depleted team. We all know the money they make. They cannot make us think they don’t have it. This is simply a grab for even more money. As Jerkface has clearly shown, the new cap really isn’t any more costly than the old for exceeding its limit.

    This group has zero foresight as their inactivity over the past years has shown. The Yankee plan is clearly to eliminate all costs for 2014 to the extent possible and deal with the holes then. Good luck on filling about half of the 25 player roster on once.

  109. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    “He is a piece – I would not say he is a good piece. He is a piece like a David Adams.”

    Adams isn’t a top 100 prospect

  110. coney1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Does anybody here have email addresses for either Michael Kay or Jack Curry? I am sending emails to the other beat writers like Klapisch, Sherman, etc. expressing my frustration with the team in the hopes that the fans’ message about the direction of the team will get back to the Yankees. I know we can’t have access to Levine, Cashman, and Steinbrenner’s emails so this is the next best thing and hopefully the press gets the message out. If anybody else would like to participate in this effort, I think a mass email campaign to the beat writers might, at least, get our message out. Let me know if you are interested.

  111. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    DONNYBROOK says:
    December 5, 2012 at 12:19 pm
    J Upton vs Hamilton. If it’s only on-the-field performance, I go with Hamilton. If the Rangers are hot on Upton, they musta pulled out on Hamilton. Few suitors for Hamilton

    Not really….Upton doesn’t cost that much and they could fit them both in the oF

  112. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Cashman is inna smoke filled backroom playing Stratamatic Baseball………..And losing.

  113. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    And that BA ranking was BEFORE the season – stock has dropped – at least what they say down here in Rangers baseball territory. They much higher now on the Baez from last year – - – -as well as their next SS prospect – - – -Martin is in the next tier – plus he is 25 in March – again – a 4th guy on a good team like the Rangers competing for the Series – - – -

  114. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    He is a piece – I would not say he is a good piece. He is a piece like a David Adams.

    Healthier younger and with better defense, and a westcoast league aided better bat, I think he is a better prospect than David Adams. He is on the top 100, he will likely be in the 50-60 area for the 2013 top 100. Adams is not.

  115. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Oh and I forgot about Olt who could also be a piece to somebody

  116. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    And that BA ranking was BEFORE the season

    Yea before the season he put up a 1 OPS in the PCL and had 54 underwhelming PA in the majors?? His stock is going to increase

  117. raymagnetic December 5th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    “People bash the BoSox for their stupid contracts, but at least they had the foresight to get out them before it was to late. ”

    Lol they were lucky to get idiot owners in LA to trade with them.

  118. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    “He is a piece – I would not say he is a good piece. He is a piece like a David Adams.”

    Adams isn’t a top 100 prospect

    *****

    As far as where Martin now sits on their depth chart – he may as well be where Adams is – again Rangers are not dreaming on Martin as a starter for him – and I don’t think Martin Perez and Leonys Martin get you Cabrera to flip to the DBacks – - – -

  119. chicken little December 5th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    If Shierholtz or Keppinger is the deal Cashman is talking about completing today I will be pissed.

  120. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Olt is a year younger, hit worse in the TL, and worse in the MLB and his stock is fine. I think you’re slightly underestimating Martin’s value. I wish we had a Leonys Martin…

  121. Captain Clutch December 5th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    I would think if the Rangers get Upton they are out on Hamilton. It seems like Hamilton’s market would shrink to the Mariners and maybe one other team. If the Yanks were interested they might be able to sneak in and get him on a short deal. But it doesn’t seem like Cashman is interested in anything other than 4th outfielders and utility infielders. If we thought this off season was fun wait until next year when Hal doesn’t want to pay the money to keep Cano.

  122. AAA December 5th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Where is Cashman!

    =====================

    Having a danish with Nate Schierholtz.

  123. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Lol they were lucky to get idiot owners in LA to trade with them.

    ___

    Actually LA asked us for CC and Tex before they went to the Sox for Beckett, Crawford and Gonzo.

  124. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Olt is a year younger, hit worse in the TL, and worse in the MLB and his stock is fine. I think you’re slightly underestimating Martin’s value. I wish we had a Leonys Martin…

    *****

    Nah – I am fine with Ramon Flores – who is about 4 years younger and appears to have better plate discipline – as well as Tyler Austin – who is also about 3 years younger and in AA – - – -

  125. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    I can’t believe they are being stingy about 2013 now too…. AJ Pierzynski is ok with a 1 year deal, which doesnt affect this 2014 crap. How the hell can they not make even that happen?

  126. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    “Having a danish with Nate Schierholtz.”

    It’s a country ham biscuit in Nashville ….but errrrrrr

  127. raymagnetic December 5th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    “blake says:
    December 5, 2012 at 12:16 pm
    Where is Cashman!”

    Tiring to sign Edwin “AJ Burnett” Jackson to a four year deal. :roll:

  128. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Now if you want to talk about Rangers prospects and can really start something trade wise:

    http://www.baseball-reference......rdin001lui

  129. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    ac1 says:
    December 5, 2012 at 12:24 pm
    I can’t believe they are being stingy about 2013 now too…. AJ Pierzynski is ok with a 1 year deal, which doesnt affect this 2014 crap. How the hell can they not make even that happen?

    I think it will…..no way they don’t add a catcher if they want to win next year

  130. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    I am beginning not to care where Hamilton, Greinke, Upton and the rest go. It will not be to the Yankees, and I do not think they will be in a pennant race considering where they are now and what they will likely do.

    Cano will never see a strike next year, and the problem will be he will still swing. Boras shold be pushing for a trade.

  131. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    raymagnetic December 5th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    “People bash the BoSox for their stupid contracts, but at least they had the foresight to get out them before it was to late. ”

    Lol they were lucky to get idiot owners in LA to trade with them.

    —————-

    They wanted the 1B.. the deal with the Dodgers, from what I remember, was them asking us for Tex and CC. I always wondered if we couldn’t have tried to get them Hughes and Kuroda in place of CC, along with Tex. Not saying it would have helped us at all in 2012. Would have sunk us, probably, but getting rid of Tex’s deal would have been amazing long term.

    Anyway, they got a much better deal on Agon’s contract.

  132. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    “Tiring to sign Edwin “AJ Burnett” Jackson to a four year deal. ”

    They better sign somebody decent to an affordable deal unless they want to have no established pitchers in 2014

  133. raymagnetic December 5th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Cash is trying to sign Edwin “AJ Burnett” Jackson to a 4 year deal :roll:

  134. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    @Buster_ESPN

    One of the teams involved in the four-team Ariz-Cle deal is the Kansas City Royals. Not sure about the form yet.

  135. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Nah – I am fine with Ramon Flores – who is about 4 years younger and appears to have better plate discipline – as well as Tyler Austin – who is also about 3 years younger and in AA – – – -

    Difference being Martin has already crushed AA & AAA and could be our RFer next season. Flores & Austin have 3 PA combined in AA outside of playoffs. Martin is 2 levels ahead, potentially, of both.

    I did not say I wish we had Leonys Martin to the exclusion of everyone else. Are you really satisfied with the internal OF options we have for 2013? For 2014? Austin & Flores are only 2014 spring training starters in the most optimistic best case scenarios.

  136. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    @Buster_ESPN: One of the teams involved in the four-team Ariz-Cle deal is the Kansas City Royals. Not sure about the form yet.

  137. raymagnetic December 5th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Apologies for the double post.

  138. oak2455 December 5th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Imagine that lol

  139. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Whatever it is they’re doing… it’s going to be crazy.

  140. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    where did you read about edwin jackson?
    and NO THANKS!

  141. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS

    #rangers in best position to make moves, says rival. “They have assets and money — that’s rare.”

  142. sunny615 December 5th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    meh… the NY bridge Yankees for the next 2 years. oh boy.

  143. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Blake,

    Everything I read is that the the Yankees are not in on AJ. I think Stealth Cashman has transformed into Inaction Cashman.

    Martin said the Yankees “could not”make an offer. I believe that is true. Every penny has to be approved by Hal, and I don’t think he would approve a two year deal. I don’t think he will approve another one year deal for significant money.

  144. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    ac1 says:
    December 5, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    where did you read about edwin jackson?
    and NO THANKS!

    From me this morning and it wasn’t in that context……

    I said if they approached Hughes about an Affordable extension…..like 3/24 or 4/32 and be declined then they should consider trading him and offering the same thing to Jackson….who is a pretty consistent bet for 200 innings and a 4 ERA at age 28…..then you’d have the value for Hughes and a least some innings for 2014 and beyond…..

  145. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    …They are stubborn. They want to see how far they can push this and get away with it, but what we’re watching right now if they don’t make the big moves and improve this lineup is the alienation of lifelong fans who poured heart, soul & dollars into this team.

    To anyone from the Yankees trolling this forum, Cashman’s comments above make me want to block you guys from my email and cell phone.

    Your front man has the tact of an overworked physician whose lost touch that his patients are real people he’s speaking to.
    ///

    Good post, GLove.

    I was one of those paying for seasons who did not care for the writing on the wall on Jan. 13, and after 30 years, I’ll pick and choose what games I decide to throw my money at. There’s likely a better game about 15 minutes from my doorstep for $12. any way.

    They also destroyed any resale market for their STH, which did not sit well with countless loyal fans whose protests can be heard all over the internet – many of whom have finally dropped their plans.

    I continue to receive a deluge of emails from the Yankees regarding season tickets, despite “unsubscribing” several times.

    There are Yankee trolls among us, there is no doubt about it. One of them has been doing his “drive bys” from a different time zone (supposedly) in a.m. Pretty transparent, I would say.
    ///

    You guys are wasting your time with your spin, because the people who call the “the voice of reason,” etc. aren’t the ones who actually open their wallets and buy tickets; they just do their rah-rah thing on the board, don’t spend a dime on the team, and attempt to tell the people who do, how to root. So good luck with that, those who actually go out there and watch the team won’t swallow the pablum.

    You want my money, Yankees? Sign a Hamilton, keep Cano, and nurture the young talent. If you deal it away for Cuddyers, etc., you’ll not get a cent out of me.

  146. sunny615 December 5th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Who would’ve thought that the Yankees would be the ones going through the garbage heap looking for deals and marginal platoon players?

  147. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Are you really satisfied with the internal OF options we have for 2013? For 2014? Austin & Flores are only 2014 spring training starters in the most optimistic best case scenarios.

    *****

    Based on what I have seen with watching the Rangers – and I am forced to living here in Dallas – the Yankees and the Rangers would be doing a disservice starting Martin in the OF in 2013 – they tried it once with Bourbon – and early indications is that it could be a Bourbon situation again. I am not viewing it also a vaccum b/c I know the Yankees and Rangers will add more established talent to their OFers. Again, my original point – Leonys Martin and Martin Perez do not headline and get you Cabrera to flip to get around the Andrus situation – - -but again – just my opinion and what I hear down here in Texas – - – -

  148. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Good stuff Blake.
    I think they should definitely extend Hughes….
    This 2014 BS is so ridiculous at this point.
    Even small market teams don’t feed their teams crap like we have been hearing this week…

  149. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    “Everything I read is that the the Yankees are not in on AJ. I think Stealth Cashman has transformed into Inaction Cashman.”

    Then Cashman plans to trade for a catcher…..I refuse to believe they will go with what they have behind the plate…. They’ll have to prove me wrong

  150. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    #rangers in best position to make moves, says rival. “They have assets and money — that’s rare.”

    *****

    Having the oil guys in Fort Worth with Ray Davis and company – as well as Elvis Andrus and Profar backing up Andrus if traded can do that – - – -I am not surprised if they add Greinke, Hamilton, and Shields at this point – - – -

  151. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Gotta run and get a letter out.

    Go Yanks – - – -

  152. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    “Good stuff Blake.
    I think they should definitely extend Hughes….
    This 2014 BS is so ridiculous at this point.”

    Right now the projected 2014 rotation would be :

    Sabathia, Nova, Pineda, Phelps, Marshall

  153. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    @Buster_ESPN: As we reported late yesterday afternoon, Arizona is the middle of this four-team talk; they would be getting Asdrubal Cabrera for SS.

    Well I’m glad some other team took my idea and ran with it!!!! :(

  154. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Right now the projected 2014 rotation would be :

    Sabathia, Nova, Pineda, Phelps, Marshall

    Room for Yu more?

    (sorry)

  155. Tyler December 5th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    School is putting me so far behind these winter meetings :(. What is this 4 team deal about?

  156. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    @Buster_ESPN: One of the teams involved on the Nick Swisher talks: The Cleveland Indians, who missed out on Shane Victorino.

  157. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Sabathia, Nova, Pineda, Phelps, Marshall

    ___

    I agreed with you about extending Hughes. I wouldnt recommend just signing someone just to have established starters. There are always back end starters on the market.

    I would also avoid trades NOW where we give up prospects, especially to fill positions we can get good players on one year deals like AJ. If they use trade chips to get a catcher and now a RF, it will be clear this team has no direction moving forward.

    We are going to need some of them.

  158. bruceb December 5th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    It’s very unfortunate that at a time when several teams have started to flash the cash, the Yankees have decided to tighten the purse strings.

    I understand the issues with luxury tax and contracts already on the books but what kind of message does it send to the fans when you get outbid for the services of your “own” catcher by a perennial loser and you then go dumpster diving for someone like Nate Schierholtz?

    It says to me the Yankees don’t care about winning in 2013…so why should I care about spending my hard-earned cash on watching them?

  159. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Finding a couple of old guy pitchers on cheap 1 year deals should be easy next winter ….not

  160. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    sunny,

    I have thought that and expressed many times that is what they would do. They have no choice if they follow there idiotic payroll plan. The Yankees seem shocked they can’t get anyone decent on the cheap for a year. I am shocked they have no clue.

  161. Patrick December 5th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Why aren’t the Yankees in the middle of these talks trying to get Upton? He’s basically the one guy they could go get at a reasonable price that could revitalize this team.

  162. spidanyc December 5th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    I thought Cashman and Towers are BFFs.

    Three-way trade:

    Yankees get: Upton
    Indians get: Bauer and Nova
    Diamondback get Asrubal Cabrera, Tyler Austin and Phelps

  163. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Tyler says:
    December 5, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    School is putting me so far behind these winter meetings . What is this 4 team deal about?

    Cliff notes version….lots of teams trying to get better….the Yankees are trying to get Nate shierholtz

  164. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Patrick says:
    December 5, 2012 at 12:40 pm
    Why aren’t the Yankees in the middle of these talks trying to get Upton? He’s basically the one guy they could go get at a reasonable price that could revitalize this team.

    Have to get all the platoon bench players done first

  165. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Finding a couple of old guy pitchers on cheap 1 year deals should be easy next winter ….not

    ___

    Also, Tim Lincecum will be a FA, and you are assuming Phelps and Nova do not prove to big good starters this year.

    I honestly believe that CC/Nova/Pineda/Phelps……… and a couple others (and HUGHES) could still be a good rotation. If they lose Cano, they will have money to go after another elite starter (TIm L or Halladay)…

  166. Tyler December 5th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    blake-

    Sounds awful. I guess this is what they are going to get for being cheap…

  167. yankfan1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    why not just use Dickerson? makes no sense.

  168. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Three-way trade:

    Yankees get: Upton
    Indians get: Bauer and Nova
    Diamondback get Asrubal Cabrera, Tyler Austin and Phelps

    ___

    ok and who is our 5th starter then?

  169. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Catch you later stone

  170. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    “I honestly believe that CC/Nova/Pineda/Phelps……… and a couple others (and HUGHES) could still be a good rotation. If they lose Cano, they will have money to go after another elite starter (TIm L or Halladay)…”

    Old and declining……risky business especially when you’re on a set budget

  171. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    The way to build for an economically viable future is to sign free agents and keep your top prospects. Then, when they are ready, you have cheap replacements for your more expensive free agents who you can keep or deal.

    I just hope they do not deal their better prospects for the Cuddyers of the world. Give me Mesa or any old Almonte instead. At least it would be interesting to see a young guy play.

  172. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: michael young would fit for #phillies for 3b. They’d have to mitigate high salary tho.

  173. LGY December 5th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Re Leonys Martin

    Going to venture to guess that if NY sports talk radio is any indication Texas sports talk radio is not exactly the best source to form our opinions.

  174. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    ok and who is our 5th starter then?

    Literally doesn’t matter. The Yankees do not need to secure the 5th starter to the exclusion of things like right field.

  175. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Old and declining……risky business especially when you’re on a set budget

    ___

    maybe but CC and 3 guys inder 30 isnt old. Halladay isn’t just another old guy. Mayb be able to recover for 1 season…. Tim L should bounce back this year too…. I’m way more concerned about the offense for the next 3 years….

  176. spidanyc December 5th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
    Three-way trade:

    Yankees get: Upton
    Indians get: Bauer and Nova
    Diamondback get Asrubal Cabrera, Tyler Austin and Phelps

    ___

    ok and who is our 5th starter then?

    ——————————————————————————–

    If you get Upton, do you really care who ur 5th starter is?? Sweaty Freddy until Pineda is ready sounds good to me if we can get Upton.

  177. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    .” I’m way more concerned about the offense for the next 3 years….”

    Fairly concerned about both

  178. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    I just hope they do not deal their better prospects for the Cuddyers of the world. Give me Mesa or any old Almonte instead. At least it would be interesting to see a young guy play.
    ___

    I actually feel this way about Zoilo Almonte, Abe Almonte, Melky Mesa, David Adams, Eduard Nunez, CoJo, Romine etc…. I do think they should get AJ (starting catcher) and Chavez (back up 3b) and let those guys i listed battle for the positions…

  179. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Yankees get: Upton
    Indians get: Bauer and Nova
    Diamondback get Asrubal Cabrera, Tyler Austin and Phelps

    I would do this in a heartbeat ….think both Indians and Dbacks would need more tho

  180. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    @JackCurryYES

    Wright also quizzed Sandy Alderson about minor lg system, possible FA signings and how to build a winner.

    —————-

    Even the Mets develop long term plans…

  181. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    If you get Upton, do you really care who ur 5th starter is?? Sweaty Freddy until Pineda is ready sounds good to me if we can get Upton.
    ___

    Yes I actually do care. If we only have 4 starters, any injury is killer. Garcia again? Really?

  182. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    If the Royals are in now….then wonder how they fit?

  183. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Marshall can start…..they could sign Pelfrey of one of the other guys out there

  184. UnKnown December 5th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    “You guys are wasting your time with your spin, because the people who call the “the voice of reason,” etc. aren’t the ones who actually open their wallets and buy tickets; they just do their rah-rah thing on the board, don’t spend a dime on the team, and attempt to tell the people who do, how to root.”

    ———–

    Very will put Pruf. This is exactly what happens.

    Maybe we can just blame this all on some pine tar or of course there will always be the Umps to rag on. LOL

  185. blake December 5th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    @AndrewMarchand: The Yanks like Nate Schierholtz http://t.co/epTrPlTW The Phillies decided they would rather have $1.3M than keep him.

    Says it all

  186. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Good stuff Blake.
    I think they should definitely extend Hughes….
    ///

    The lone hope I have for this is that Cashman is inextricably bound with Hughes on a certain emotional level, I think in terms of Cashman’s own perception. Hughes pitched well for us and he’s a young arm the team developed (even though that development was often frustrated by them). This is a victory he can claim, so given his sense of professional identity being tied in with Hughes, I am hopeful.

    I remember when Randy was vehement in his insistence that they should try to wrap up Hughes while Hughes was struggling. He got a great deal of grief for that advance thinking, too….

  187. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Yes, Marchand said it all. Gosh I hope we win the sweepstakes for Schierholtz. The press conference will be amazing.

    I did check MLBTR for Yankee news. I can only conclude they have disbanded.

  188. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    And how did trading for Upton become all we need?
    In that scenario we are own to 4 starters, still no 3b or catcher and no bench.

  189. mick December 5th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Should Cashman resign?
    He is Hal’s messenger boy, just as he was George’s.
    He’s got a job, why should he care?
    “Beggars can’t be choosers.”
    Very telling…his autobiography should be out soon.

  190. spidanyc December 5th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
    And how did trading for Upton become all we need?
    In that scenario we are own to 4 starters, still no 3b or catcher and no bench.

    ——————————————————————————————————-

    Get creative, buddy……………………

    Granderson for Olt (3B)

    Upton in LF
    Gardy in CF
    Ichiro in RF

    Romine at catcher

  191. jacksquat December 5th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    vs rhp?

    Gardner CF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    Teixeira 1B
    Granderson LF
    Chavez 3B
    Ibanez DH
    Schierholtz RF
    Cervelli/Stewart C

    vs lhp?

    Jeter SS
    Keppinger 3B
    Cano 2B
    Teixeira 1B
    Hairston RF
    Granderson LF
    DH?
    Cervelli/Stewart C
    Gardner CF

  192. CB December 5th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    The Yankees are going to try to charge $1000/ticket for premium seats to watch Shierholtz in RF and Youkilis at third (Keppinger very well too rich for their blood….)

    It’s as if they are engaging in a radical experiment to determine the price elasticity of consumer demand for baseball tickets.

    And they’re hypothesizing that the elasticity is very high in part simply due to the pinstripes adorning the laundry on the field.

    May you live in interesting times…so to speak.

  193. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    The catcher hole is No big a deal. Young or old, just decent defensively and able to situationally hit.
    3B and RF are the concern. NO WAY I would give Keppinger 3yrs Guaranteed. NO WAY. Get Youk and Ludwick .

  194. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Get creative, buddy……………………

    Granderson for Olt (3B)

    Upton in LF
    Gardy in CF
    Ichiro in RF

    Romine at catcher

    ____________________________

    You base all of these ideas of the idea that people will just make these trades with us because we want to, which is ridiculous….

  195. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    MLBTR says Youkilis has several multi-year offers. Also, Keppinger and Drew will get at least two year contracts.

    Marchand states Cashman says the thrid base market, like the catching market and RF market, is “too rich”for them.

    I am ready for the meetings to end so my glimmering light of hope is fully extinguished.

  196. comnsnse December 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Are these posts from the writer serious ,or simply column fillers?’

    The Yankee’s need a RH bat in right, unless they are serious about trading Granderson,they would still have an all LH batting OF!

    Gardner,Ichiro and Nick S.! Where’s the pop?

    Please don’t report nonsense and if this what the org. believes is a competitive roster,YES will have far fewer viewers!

  197. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Very will put Pruf. This is exactly what happens.

    Maybe we can just blame this all on some pine tar or of course there will always be the Umps to rag on. LOL
    ///

    Unknown,

    I really find all this “I’m a better fan than you are” stuff be incredibly adolescent.

    But being that we get handed some Yankee Fan Rooting Rules handbook every time anyone in here dares to question moves made – or lack of moves – I’m gonna remind those folks who and who does not actually puts money back in the little pinstriped piggy. ;).

  198. Patrick December 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Dickerson is arguably better than Schierholtz.. Not sure why we want him

  199. yankeefeminista December 5th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    We have done many inexplicable things recently, dealing youth, disregarding age, misevaluating our offense, and not striking when IFA’s or specific FA’s could have been ours for the taking. However, as disillusioned as I am, I just cannot believe that we are going to stand pat, and solely make some inane one year signings. We cannot be that clueless. Just cannot get my head around the hopefully rhetoric.

    Pruf, QFT about season ticket holders investment in the team. I have in the past in the lean years actually cashed in life insurance dividends in order to be able to retain my Yankee season tix. I am not paying for a 2013 season ticket to watch the status quo. This team as is is an insult to my baseball intelligence, and my heart has no choice but to take a back seat in this case. Give us back the excitement that was Sept. 2011. Melky too would have energized the fan base. I won’t pay for a full season to watch this team. I will save my money, use Stubhub, and reup in two years when the kids are up.

  200. jacksquat December 5th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    “You guys are wasting your time with your spin, because the people who call the “the voice of reason,” etc. aren’t the ones who actually open their wallets and buy tickets; they just do their rah-rah thing on the board, don’t spend a dime on the team, and attempt to tell the people who do, how to root.”

    How do you know how much anyone spends on the team?

    How does spending money make anyone’s opinion more valid?

  201. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    - Mick -
    Yea, I thought the “beggars can’t be chosers” was in Poker terms a “tell”. Why when dealing with someone, would you wantta portray yourself assa beggar??? Cashman has no idea how to horse trade. All he knows how to do is play “bag man” for Hal.

  202. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Don’t know about you guys, but Everytime I look at that picture of Schierholtz I wanna throw-up.

  203. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    In Cashman’s defense, Hal has left him no room to even compete with some of these deals and he will be forced to trade key future pieces to fill the spots, leaving us in the same position we are in now….

    This insistance that they have to hold to the same budget even though Alex is going to miss most of the year is assinine.

  204. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    YF,

    It did seem inconceivable the team would be allowed to slowly idisintegrate. This isn’t arebuilding effort. It is no effort at all. Wait for one year players to be unwanted by others.

    The Yankees big move at the meetings will be signing a player the outfield depleted Phils wanted nothing to do with even though he is cheap.

    And to the Dickerson fans out there, I do remind you he is 30. He may be too young to return to the AAA team though.

  205. yankeefeminista December 5th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    The financial aspect is relevant b/c it is the only thing the Yankees seem to understand. I don’t think anyone is saying that those who invest in the Yankees’s opinion is more valid. That was a leap. However, a fan’s only recourse is to boycot the product when it isn’t up to par. and for the record, Cash told us that Jeet is “just a ball player” but then their marketing department bombarded us with 3000K merchandise. Just a ballplayer or a legend? YOu can’t have it both ways. Similarly, Cash loves to coldly refer to the players as assets. Well, you know what you can do with your assets, especially when they cease to be assets from a fan’s perspective.

  206. Bo knows December 5th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    MG
    Some solid posts. Thank you.
    ————–
    The Yankees are paying the price now for the sins of the 2002-2008 time period where they traded for so many aging veterans and let the farm system get depleted-it could be something similar to the late 80?s or mid’60?s for them, we won’t know until they actually play games.
    ————————
    That is it in a nutshell.

    That and the Draft Budget, post Cole, when everyone else was blowing past the slots – ie Rendon would sure look good on the Yankee roster or somesuch, instead of Culver. Forced to work HS kids instead of the occasional college pick.

  207. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    1965

  208. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    @FeinsandNYDN

    I’m told Yankees-Youkilis is unlikely. Jeff Keppinger seems to be hottest third base target as of now, but years will be the issue.

    Its funny because in past years this statement would not be crazy. Yea, Cashman, don’t give in to a utility players demands of multiple years! But now the situation is completely reversed. They CAN’T give him multiple years, despite wanting him so badly. So sad

  209. Patrick December 5th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    And to the Dickerson fans out there, I do remind you he is 30. He may be too young to return to the AAA team though.

    I’m not even a Dickerson fan though. But he is a good fielder and can hit RHP reasonably well. I don’t see what benefit Shierholtz gives the team.

  210. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Pruf, QFT about season ticket holders investment in the team. I have in the past in the lean years actually cashed in life insurance dividends in order to be able to retain my Yankee season tix. I am not paying for a 2013 season ticket to watch the status quo. This team as is is an insult to my baseball intelligence, and my heart has no choice but to take a back seat in this case. Give us back the excitement that was Sept. 2011. Melky too would have energized the fan base. I won’t pay for a full season to watch this team. I will save my money, use Stubhub, and reup in two years when the kids are up.
    ///

    Yankeefem, they’re going to get killed if they don’t upgrade their product. Lohud seems to have a limited number of season ticket holders posting, and seems like the presence of posters who didn’t have seasons, but attended games somewhat frequently, is dwindling (Betsy comes to mind).

    NYYFan, however, gives a much more accurate temperature on the STH’s frustration with the team and their practices. And I agree about the IFAs and your other comments. They have just blown so many opportunities to keep this team legit.

  211. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    George has Gotta be rollin’.

  212. Bo knows December 5th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    May you live in interesting times…so to speak.

    ————————
    Hah, I say, Hah!

  213. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    instead of Culver

    ———————

    One of the worst picks ever. It was such an overreach

  214. mick December 5th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Maybe we should just resign ourselves to the premise that Hal is getting ready to sell the team.

  215. blake December 5th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    @JeffPassan: Indians are pushing the Diamondbacks to include Tyler Skaggs in a deal for Asdrubal Cabrera. D-backs would prefer to trade Trevor Bauer.

    So have they cut the other teams out?

  216. yankeefeminista December 5th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    If we sign Youkilis, that would be the icing on the cake.

  217. CB December 5th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Good chance Yankees won’t sit out this winter completely quietly. There will be too much resistance from ticket holders. Levine will be sensitive to this.

    Eventually there’s a good chance they do something very stupid to bring in a “name” for the fan base to get “excited about”

    Don’t get too attached to Williams, Heathcott, Sanchez, etc.

    A trade where the Yanks take on some veteran name and the other team absorbs money so that they can get talent back in return feels like something the Yanks would be very receptive to at some point this winter.

    I don’t know if this front office understands the sheer weight of discontent that is going to come barreling down on them. But when they feel it -how they react will be interesting to see.

    And I think they are severely overestimating how price elasctic people are on tickets for the product they’ll put out.

    Panic by the FO is entirely possible at some point. Won’t come from Cashman – it’ll come from above his head.

  218. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Give us back the excitement that was Sept. 2011

    *****

    What excietment in Sept. 2011? I thought the Yanks had things locked up – - — Now Sept. 2012 was interesting as it went down to the wire with the O’s and then an extended battle with the O’s in the ALDS.

  219. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    YF,

    It did seem inconceivable the team would be allowed to slowly idisintegrate. This isn’t arebuilding effort. It is no effort at all. Wait for one year players to be unwanted by others.

    ///

    If they don’t do something bold (I didn’t say something wise, but let’s hope they do something bold enough that is also wise), then perhaps the selling of the team is inevitable and Cashman already has his next job waiting for him…

  220. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    This team is all over the place. Cant afford multi year deals, cant sign FAs, cant even do one year deals. Don’t do extensions. Don’t have a clear plan to get offense through the minors (Adams should have been in AAA last year)…. Want to get younger but won’t give Nunez a shot. Want to sign 1 year deals but when AJ says he would do one, they won’t pay it. Want to build solid young starters in the minors but can’t keep a single one healthy….. What a
    s-itshow.

  221. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    The ticket situation was obvious during the Playoffs.

  222. blake December 5th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    @JeffPassan: D-backs like a lot of Rangers prospects: Olt, Leury Garcia, Cody Buckel. But don’t want to trade Upton unless Profar or Andrus is involved.

    @Ken_Rosenthal: On #Rangers’ pursuit of Upton: TEX side more confident, but acknowledge “ways to go” before deal. Unclear how many teams involved in trade.

  223. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    This team is all over the place. Cant afford multi year deals, cant sign FAs, cant even do one year deals. Don’t do extensions. Don’t have a clear plan to get offense through the minors (Adams should have been in AAA last year)…. Want to get younger but won’t give Nunez a shot. Want to sign 1 year deals but when AJ says he would do one, they won’t pay it. Want to build solid young starters in the minors but can’t keep a single one healthy….. What a
    s-itshow.

    ——————–

    and some ppl think 14 will be business as usual wtf

  224. blake December 5th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    “Don’t get too attached to Williams, Heathcott, Sanchez, etc.

    A trade where the Yanks take on some veteran name and the other team absorbs money so that they can get talent back in return feels like something the Yanks would be very receptive to at some point this winter.”

    Much rather them sign Hamilton And keep those guys

  225. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    CB December 5th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Good chance Yankees won’t sit out this winter completely quietly. There will be too much resistance from ticket holders. Levine will be sensitive to this.

    Eventually there’s a good chance they do something very stupid to bring in a “name” for the fan base to get “excited about”

    Don’t get too attached to Williams, Heathcott, Sanchez, etc.
    ///

    Yes, that’s my concern as well. I just hope Heathcott even makes it to Trenton, where he’s bound if they don’t deal him first. That’s about all the optimism I can muster these days.

  226. Mike Ri December 5th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    George has Gotta be rollin?–
    ——

    you can say that again

  227. G. Love December 5th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    CB,

    They’ve been told, directly by me & others I know, that this “plan” doesn’t work at these prices. They know this and I think they want to see if people really do cancel seasons in the end and if the fans stay away.

    There’s almost a hatred towards the paying customer right now. It’s like we’ve done so much for you, you can deal with less and like it.

    The contract between Yankee fans and Yankee owners has been built around the core idea that we’ll pay the enormous freight it costs to be there because we know you’ll do everything in your power to put the best product on the field.

    What we’re hearing right now from the mouth of Cashman is “shut up & eat these leftovers and like it”.

    Their run since 1994 was built on them developing players, making trades for great players and signing the guys they needed including International free agents.

    It was never, let’s find the cheapest patch and hope it works.

    This is obvious to the fans. Every fan knows this lineup is a mess right now.

    The ball is in their court & if they drop it, like their GM appears to be putting out there, it’s going to lose them money and put an end to the gravy train they created with guys like Jeter, Mo, etc.

  228. Patrick December 5th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Panic by the FO is entirely possible at some point. Won’t come from Cashman – it’ll come from above his head.

    It drives me a little crazy that a guy like Randy Levine is “above” Cashman. The dude is a lawyer they hired to help them push through the stadium deal. What does he know about baseball? But he can go over Cashman’s head and make terrible deals.

  229. mick December 5th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Listening to Jeff Wilpon is worse than not hearing from Hal.

  230. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    If they give up Gary Sanchez, they should ALL be fired.
    They bragged about catching depth and then trade Montero.
    Romine was hurt and Sanchez projects to be pretty awesome.

    They need to deal with it and hold onto Heathcott, Williams AND Austin. Try to make that their outfield by 2015!

  231. blake December 5th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    This is starting to make sense now……that team that was requesting Asdrubal to change positions wasn’t the Yankees or Braves…..it was the Diamondbacks….

    Towers is gonna try to get Asdrubal to play 3B and Andrus to play SS

  232. Triple Short of a Cycle December 5th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    The Yankees are paying the price now for the sins of the 2002-2008 time period where they traded for so many aging veterans and let the farm system get depleted

    —————————————-

    What farm pieces did they lose during that period?

  233. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    I’m going to patent the Yankee Fan Reintegration Program now.. I need a second job anyway and a lot of fans will need help readjusting.

  234. yankeefeminista December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Well, that has been my big fear, that we package a bunch of elite prospects to overpay for a short term fix. Let’s just hope that Cash’s talk about preserving the farm isn’t spin. Don’t waste the talent unless you get equal value, cost-controlled bats back. But then not sure I trust Cash and Co.’s evaluative skills. And as I have been saying ad nauseum, I would rather see us do nothing than overpay for something short-sighted.

  235. blake December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    @Buster_ESPN: NYY have been exchanging trade proposals with other teams about players, including Granderson. In other words: Standard operating procedure.

  236. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Jon Heyman?@JonHeymanCBS

    Hearing keppinger to white sox, 3 yrs

    _____

    OF COURSE!

    Day keeps getting better and better….

  237. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS

    Hearing keppinger to white sox, 3 yrs

  238. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Towers is gonna try to get Asdrubal to play 3B and Andrus to play SS

    *****

    Welcome to the party – we left the light on for you – - – -

  239. Captain Clutch December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Poor Cashman he gets out bid on a back up guy…
    ——-

    Jon Heyman?@JonHeymanCBS

    Hearing keppinger to white sox, 3 yrs

  240. Bo knows December 5th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Well, if the Yankees trade one of the big four – Sanchez, Heathcott, Austin, Williams for some thirty year old hype name, then the tunnel light just got a lot dimmer.

    Then it’s “Abandon all hope, ye who enter here”

    “Put out the lights, the party is over”

    Trot out the cliches.

  241. yankeefeminista December 5th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    If they trade Sanchez, God forbid, it is because they project that he will never be the pitch framer that JR purports to be. Here’s hoping not.

  242. Patrick December 5th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    OF COURSE!

    Day keeps getting better and better….

    Do you really want to sign a utility player to a 3 year contract? That’s a bad deal by Chicago if true.

  243. comnsnse December 5th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    JA Prufrock, O.K.,please remind us of “who and who doesn’t put money in the pinstriped pocketbook”? As for posters questioning moves,isn’t his what blogs are about and what fans of every sport love to do best?

    Who is “unknown”,a poster or anyone who posts any criticism of anything written here?

    If he/she is truly posting as “Unknown”,perhaps they should be!

  244. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    We are getting a, “Let them eat cake” philosophy\attitude outta the Yankee Front Office.

  245. Mike in Harrisburg December 5th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    The league is eating our lunch!

  246. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    The Yankees are paying the price now for the sins of the 2002-2008 time period where they traded for so many aging veterans and let the farm system get depleted

    —————————————-

    What farm pieces did they lose during that period?

    *****

    Careful – C.J. Henry for Bobby Abreu was a huge loss

    Probably meant – the lack of adding talent through the drafts in the early 00s hurt them I guess – 2005 cannot blame – hey they added AJax and Gardner – - – -

  247. AAA December 5th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    @Buster_ESPN: NYY have been exchanging trade proposals with other teams about players, including Granderson. In other words: Standard operating procedure

    =================================

    Leave it to Olney to need most of 140 characters to say absolutely nothing.

  248. AAA December 5th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Do you really want to sign a utility player to a 3 year contract? That’s a bad deal by Chicago if true.

    =============================

    Given their 3B situation, I suspect Keppinger will be their regular 3B.

  249. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Do you really want to sign a utility player to a 3 year contract?

    *****

    Not really – - – -

  250. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    blake December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    @Buster_ESPN: NYY have been exchanging trade proposals with other teams about players, including Granderson. In other words: Standard operating procedure.

    —————-

    I went from :) to :(

  251. G. Love December 5th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    J.AP & Yanksfem,

    They’re not going to spend the money on free agents if they do anything big. I really do think once these meetings are over & the discontent with the job they are doing re: the lineup spreads, they will make a trade that will gut the farm.

    In the past, I would’ve cheered for that, but looking in retrospect at the young players we’ve given up of late, I don’t understand why they would do that and not be standing on Josh Hamilton’s doorstep with a blank check right now.

  252. Mike Ri December 5th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Leave it to Olney to need most of 140 characters to say absolutely nothing.

    ———-
    LOL LOL LOL

  253. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Who says they’re trading Sanchez?

    They have a defensive catcher in Romine.
    Sanchez can be the offensive catcher, he just has to hold his own behind the plate.

  254. Bo knows December 5th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    What farm pieces did they lose during that period?
    ——————-
    They had no pieces to lose. George fired most of the scouting staff “for making too much money”. Go check some of the high Yankee draft picks. You don’t instantly develop a scouting system.

  255. Patrick December 5th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Given their 3B situation, I suspect Keppinger will be their regular 3B.

    Keppinger is good and he had a great year in 2012 but he’s not an every day 3B. If his market is 3 years I’m glad the Yankees laid off.

  256. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    It’s a sad day when we waste this many bytes of memory of Jeff Keppinger and Nat Shierholtz.

  257. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    FeinsandNYDN Keppinger to White Sox on three-year deal … The Yankees’ search continues. Chavez as part of platoon (w/Nunez maybe?) could be answer.

  258. G. Love December 5th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    And so help me, if any posters come in here and bash those of us for claiming that the Yankees value defense over offense behind the dish I will pay for them to get reading comprehension lessons & shock therapy.

    Cashman & Girardi, have now both come out publicly stating that.

    It’s a fact. They don’t care what their catcher hits. They’ve forgotten what this franchise was built on. Berra, Dickey, Munson, Posada were behind the dish for a lot of titles for a reason and it wasn’t because the fans were positive happy loons. It was because they hit.

  259. mick December 5th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Alfred E. Newman sez:
    “What Me Worry”?

    Chavy y Nuney to save the day. No, no, Nix that.

  260. mick December 5th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    It’s a fact. They don’t care what their catcher hits. They’ve forgotten what this franchise was built on. Berra, Dickey, Munson, Posada were behind the dish for a lot of titles for a reason
    ==================
    Don’t forget Ellie Howard.

  261. Captain Clutch December 5th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    The Yanks should trade Granderson even if they only get something decent back. He will be gone after next so the Yanks should get whatever they can back for him. I also don’t want to watch him strike out another 200 times next year. If Cashman has any money he should sign Ross.

  262. CB December 5th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    “Much rather them sign Hamilton And keep those guys”

    Of course. But that’s going to cost money. And they are unlikely to come even close to spending what’s required.

    Pineda was their big shot to stay competitive while aging (bad plan given how the position players were clearly aging but from their point of view – pitching..kingdom,etc.). That bullet’s been shot and wasted.

    Hal seems to be of this contemporary view that all that matters is management where you set some goal and leave it to the people who work for you to be accountable to those goals regardless of how much you actually understand about the business’s substance or how in turn feasible your goals are.

    There’s some excel spreadsheet somewhere in the Yanks FO where they’ve built projections for ticket spending, TV viewership, merchandising sales, etc under different scenarios of how much the team wins. It’s there somewhere.

    And that excel spreadsheet is going to work off the assumption that the future will resemble the past. That given prior years attendance & viewership we can risk dropping to an X win team while only seeing a Y% decrease in revenues.

    And what they are trying to figure out right now is how to hit that sweet spot. Those X’s and Y’s. What’s the fewest wins we can manage to support a certain level of revenue? Where is that magic sweet spot that mazimizes our margins?

    And unfortunately they’ve been going about this in a very poor way for several seasons now. It’s cut and minimize every possible expense outside of the legacy costs you’re sunk the organization with yourself and then hope that things just linger and continue and that this cohort of aging “stars” can will the team to winning 90+ games.

    I’d guess the FO is assuming that as long as they can win 90 games and stay in the playoff hunt they’ll get at least 3M in attendance and that will work. I think that’s the underlying assumption is from what I can see as a distant outsider.

    We drew almost 3.6M in 2012. If we can stay below a 20% drop off in attendance we’re still at 3M or close. And TV? People love TV. What else will they do with their evenings?

    If we can get to less than that 20% drop…. That’ll do. That’ll do.

  263. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    I like Nunez, but Nunez and Chavez is Not an answer, it’s a dial tone.

  264. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    jacksquat December 5th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    “You guys are wasting your time with your spin, because the people who call the “the voice of reason,” etc. aren’t the ones who actually open their wallets and buy tickets; they just do their rah-rah thing on the board, don’t spend a dime on the team, and attempt to tell the people who do, how to root.”

    How do you know how much anyone spends on the team?

    How does spending money make anyone’s opinion more valid?
    ///

    It’s not that it makes one’s opinion more valid or not, it’s my reaction to the people who think they have the lowdown on what is “valid” rooting, even though they spend no money on the team, but who sit on their fat ass in the south and try to dictate to me what I should do with my season ticket plan, that I should somehow continue to pay for my season tickets, despite my right to give them up, which I have done.

    It’s about people who make trips from New England to New York City and spend several days here, enumerating what fun things they did, and never mention going to Yankee Stadium, but who are rife with unsolicited, compulsory rooting techniques for me to make me a “worthy Yankee fan.”

    It’s about people who tell me I’m a “hugger” and who smile beatifically when we trade a prospect – no matter who that prospect is – because they don’t really know, nor have they ever investigated or cared to find out who they have in the sytstem – but who blindly support any and every deal the Yankees make… even though they wouldn’t know a Heathcott from a Mustelier, but who harp on “the Yankees know best…”

    Yeah, it’s about all those “true” Yankee fans, who never spend a dime on a game, never visit a minor league park to see prospects or have an interest in who might be able to help us from the farm in the future, seeking me out to lecture me about how to root for my f***ing team…

    Got a better handle on it, now?

  265. blake December 5th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    “Of course. But that’s going to cost money. And they are unlikely to come even close to spending what’s required.”

    Yea I forgot we don’t spend that anymore :(

  266. CB December 5th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    “The contract between Yankee fans and Yankee owners has been built around the core idea that we’ll pay the enormous freight it costs to be there because we know you’ll do everything in your power to put the best product on the field. ”

    G. Love,

    I preface this by – what do I know. I’m only a fan (a measly, puny being in today’s vast world of yanke…) but as an outsider it seems to me that Hal is of this modern managerial mind set that to get “results” just set “metrics” for performance and hold employees “accountable” to them and require them to make it “work.”

    Don’t need to understand the substance of what you’re managing. Could be GE or Home Depot or whatever.

    Just manage, baby, manage!

  267. blake December 5th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    “We drew almost 3.6M in 2012. If we can stay below a 20% drop off in attendance we’re still at 3M or close. And TV? People love TV. What else will they do with their evenings?

    If we can get to less than that 20% drop…. That’ll do. That’ll do.”

    Oh Im sure Hal knows exactly how much revenue they can lose and still come out ahead with the money they’ll save……

  268. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    potential 3-team trade:

    Olt + Bauer to Indians
    Asdrubal Cabrera to DBacks
    J-Upton to Texas

    There goes my hope to trade Granderson for Olt.

  269. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    comnsnse December 5th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    JA Prufrock, O.K.,please remind us of “who and who doesn’t put money in the pinstriped pocketbook”? As for posters questioning moves,isn’t his what blogs are about and what fans of every sport love to do best?

    Who is “unknown”,a poster or anyone who posts any criticism of anything written here?

    If he/she is truly posting as “Unknown”,perhaps they should be!
    ///

    You are not up to speed.

    You’ve got it twisted, friend. We’re the ones who are emphasizing our “right to question moves” of the team; the ones we are railing at are the ones who lecture us, night and day in here, that we should just uncritically worship at the Yankee altar and sanction every move they make, because we’re just little peons who can’t possibly even comprehend the Yankees’ superior logic on every move they make.

    Glad I cleared that up.

  270. blake December 5th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Sad day when I’m upset that Jeff Keppinger signed elsewhere

  271. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    ….and commonsense, “Unknown” is a long-time poster here, so I don’t know where you get off questioning his presence here.

  272. CB December 5th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    “Let’s just hope that Cash’s talk about preserving the farm isn’t spin. ”

    It’s spin.

    They’ll do “what’s necessary” to get under the “189M” cap while maintaining revenues.

    Don’t think they’ll think that hard or get that hung up about trading some kids on the farm to achieve what are clear, concrete goals that everyone in the Yanks organization is being held accountable for by Hal.

    I’d guess it’s been made very clear inside the organization that this is what you all need to do to keep your jobs.

  273. blake December 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    “brianlopez22 says:
    December 5, 2012 at 1:42 pm
    potential 3-team trade:

    Olt + Bauer to Indians
    Asdrubal Cabrera to DBacks
    J-Upton to Texas”

    I think we may be lookin at

    Indians: Olt and Skaggs
    Dbacks: Andrus and Asdrubl
    Rangers: Upton

    With prospects mixed in

  274. LGY December 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Dodged a bullet on Keppinger.

  275. blake December 5th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    LGY says:
    December 5, 2012 at 1:47 pm
    Dodged a bullet on Keppinger.

    Don’t worry… The Kevin Yoikalks or Nate Scheirhoktz one with strike us

  276. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Cashman, seriously?

    Just let Adams play 3B or let Ronnier play 3B.
    Both are better than Pukilis.

    As for Shierholtz, I hope that is happening because we are signing Hamilton and Shierholtz will play LF when Granderson is traded.

    What a F’in joke this offseason is!

  277. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    If they give up Gary Sanchez, they should ALL be fired.
    They bragged about catching depth and then trade Montero.
    Romine was hurt and Sanchez projects to be pretty awesome.

    They need to deal with it and hold onto Heathcott, Williams AND Austin. Try to make that their outfield by 2015!
    ///

    Uhuh :D

  278. Cashmoney December 5th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    They’ll do “what’s necessary” to get under the “189M” cap while maintaining revenues.
    —-
    if Cashman is truly an empowered gm with vision, he should simply tell the ownership 1. don’t go half arse about this 2. get ready for the possible financial windfall that follows 3. fark this ridiculous plan you simply make more money by spending it.

    The above approach, which have substantive evidences in supporting it, is simply a manifestation of greed and display little foresight in contemplating NYY’s future.

    of course, this is just my opinion.

  279. Cashmoney December 5th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    MG, i think Cashman would make a fine 7&11 manager.

  280. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    J Alfred:

    What do you do with Granderson then?
    Keep him and wait for you 2014 draft pick? That’s an awesome ROI.

    I personally love the Austin AND Heathcott or Williams in the OF.
    2 of the 3 + Hamilton would be awesome!!!

  281. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    CB,

    I remember too well when CBS had their spreadsheet. This one is going to work equally well.

  282. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    It is interesting that AJ would not be signed if he would sign for one year. I would conclude they want to be significantly lower in 2013 as well.

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