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On Day 3, Cashman hopes to make something happen

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 05, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tomorrow is the Rule 5 draft and the mass exodus. Today is, in reality, the last full day of the Winter Meetings. And Brian Cashman — despite all of his talk about patience and a limited market — has said there’s a good chance the Yankees will get something done before they leave Nashville.

“We’re down an outfielder,” he said. “I have two center fielders on the board, that I have under control, and I can move them around any which way. If I sign a right fielder or a left fielder, I can just move guys accordingly. I’m looking for a corner outfielder. Doubt I can upgrade on what we have catching-wise, because the defense is an important aspect for us. The bat’s a secondary aspect. That’s why starters who can do defense and offense make a lot of money.

“I’m not optimistic on the catching side that this market, via trade or free agency is going to produce something that I can feel comfortable with. We’ll still keep looking at it, so don’t count me out of it, but your focus should be — while you’re watching what we do — you should be focusing on the outfield, on the left side of the infield. That’s where your priorities should be, because that’s where mine are.”

As usual, the Yankees have been connected to just about every remotely logical free agent on the market. And as usual, Cashman’s camp has been quiet. From the outside, there’s been a lot of speculation; not a lot of details. Cashman might have something up his sleeve, and if he does, something could happen today.

“I think that we’ll be in a position, I would think, to leave here with doing something,” Cashman said. “But that doesn’t mean we will. I want to come here every time I go to the Winter Meetings, I want to get something done. I’ve been disappointed many times leaving, but that’s not going to make me do something.”

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222 Responses to “On Day 3, Cashman hopes to make something happen”

  1. blake December 5th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    blake says:
    December 5, 2012 at 8:53 am
    You’re gonna see more and more articles like that one from Rosenthal and the fans are going to grow angrier and angrier …..have fun saving money Hal only to lose more with an empty stadium and nobody watching YES

  2. blake December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    @Joelsherman1: As part of column http://t.co/WlnRKHts reporting #Yankees willing to spend ’14 $ on Keppinger who has 2-yr offers already from #Rays #Dbacks

  3. chicken little December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    He better do something and do something fast. The Yankees were lucky to make it as far as they did last year. Either improve the club or begin tearing it down. No one wants to watch a bunch of 40 year olds bumble around for five years until Hal feels comfortable with opening up his wallet again (in an effort to increase the value of his suddenly bumbling franchise). If George were alive, Hamilton would be in a hospital in NY today — for his physical.

  4. coney1 December 5th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    coney1 December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    I hope Hal doesn’t expect the fans to fill the stadium while telling everyone they are going to throw out an inferior team while raising ticket prices….. I’d be shocked if there are not a ton more empty seats this year. And then losing Cano after next season?

    AC1, I personally don’t think Hal cares what we fans think. I can’t believe I am saying this right now but the only one in the FO who can save us right now is Randy Levine. Perhaps he can ship Hal to Siberia for a few years. I know Cashman wants to build a winning team and he is clearly frustrated, even publicly, by making comments like “beggers can’t be choosers”. That comment, to me, is a shot at Hal. Girardi is your prototypical “company man” so he won’t say anything.

  5. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    I agree totally w Cashman’s priorities.

    An Of’er, and a 3B.

    Those are our needs.

    Get it done Cashman.

    ;)

  6. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    coney1: you hit the nail on the head.

    WHERE IS HANK?!!!!!!

  7. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    MTU:

    you can’t just look at 2013. Look at 2014, its a barren wasteland!
    They NEED to sign Cano.

  8. Mike Ri December 5th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Good Luck Cashman !

  9. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    @Joelsherman1: I think #Yankees should try for Pierzynski http://t.co/WlnRKHts but sense get is near zero interest. Think it is about defense/personality

    Madness

  10. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Brian-

    Don’t know that they won’t.

    It hasn’t been decided has it ?

    ;)

  11. yankee21 December 5th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Great article by Rosenthal- it really captures the hypocrisy of the ownership group. I would love to hear Brian and especially Hal’s response to it.

  12. coney1 December 5th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    If the Yankees go into this season with platoons of Romine/Cervelli/Stewart, Keppinger/Chavez, and some combo of Ichiro, Ibanez, and Hairston in RF….I’m done. At least until Hal S***brenner sells this team. No baseball and no hockey to watch for me. Looks like I’ll need to find a new pastime. Or watch the Dodgers. At least they are an ownership group that cares about their fans.

  13. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    @Joelsherman1: Chavez .908 v. RHP/Keppinger .923 v. LHP/both good def at 3B would be strong platoon as A-Rod rehabs, good reserves if he returns #Yankees

    I’m not sure Keppinger will accept the lesser end of a 3b platoon

  14. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    So does this mean Sanchez is never a Yankee??

  15. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Blake-

    It looks like the Yankees have bought into the D side of the equation as being primary.

    I look for balance. I think it’s wrongheaded.

    I still believe they will address the O in a meaningful way.

    They know there are holes.

  16. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    yankee21 says:
    December 5, 2012 at 9:02 am
    Great article by Rosenthal- it really captures the hypocrisy of the ownership group. I would love to hear Brian and especially Hal’s response to it.

    “We should be able to win with a 189 million dollar payroll”

    “We are only reducing by 10%”

    ” we are paying big money for guys to produce and believe they will”

    The same ole nonsense

  17. Bronx Jeers December 5th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    ” Doubt I can upgrade on what we have catcher-wise….”

    Wow. Just wow.

    1 guy with barely 350 career AB’s and a .583 career OPS and Cervelli. Who’s the starter and who’s the back-up?

    Beggars can’t be choosers? I do love it when billionaires try to pass themselves off as “only millionaires”

  18. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    MTU,

    I hope your optimism wins the day

  19. Mike Ri December 5th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    @Joelsherman1: I think #Yankees should try for Pierzynski http://t.co/WlnRKHts but sense get is near zero interest. Think it is about defense/personality

    ———–
    Thats SUCH Bull S—- .. . . They are just CHEAP !! PERIOD !

    Pierzynski’s defense can’t be much worse than Martins ! …. please !!! .

  20. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    If the Yankees don’t add a catcher then they have officially jumped the shark as a franchise…..

  21. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Blake-

    They want Kepp.

    Money /yrs. probably the issue. He’d get plenty of playaing time.

    Don’t see the Yanks going past 2. If he can get 3 we likely won’t have him.

  22. AAA December 5th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Pierzynski’s defense can’t be much worse than Martins ! …. please !!!

    ==========================

    It’s significantly worse.

  23. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Blake-

    Me too. Because the alternative is worse.

    ;)

  24. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Let the fan backlash grow!

  25. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    =

    “It’s significantly worse.”

    It’s worse….but he can hit and handle a pitching staff…. And their current options really can’t do anything

  26. yankee21 December 5th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    For the last several years Cashman and other team spokesmen use fit and personality and other concerns as cover words to mask an unwillingness to invest or improve the team.

  27. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Mop walk time.

    I counsel patience.

    later.

  28. coney1 December 5th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    If writers such as Sherman and Rosenthal are bashing the team, it won’t be long before the fans revolt. Or will they? Will the diehards, like Bald Vinny, still go to the games because they are diehards no matter what? Will the casual fan still go because they really have no idea what’s going on and don’t pay attention to the day-to-day operations of the team?

  29. chicken little December 5th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    2003-2004 off-season — Boone gets hurt; Yanks get A-Rod in his prime.
    2012-2013 of-season — A-Rod gets hurt; Yanks shop in fruit and nuts section and sign Keppinger and Chavez?

  30. chicken little December 5th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Poor Robinson Cano. With the lineup the Yanks are thinking of trotting out there, Cano will never get pitched to.

  31. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Stewart: decent defender and can handle the staff but can’t hit at all
    Cervelli: ok bat for a BUC but bad defensively and pitchers don’t like throwing to him
    Romine: could be ok but missed all of last year with his back

    Get a catcher Cash

  32. Mike Ri December 5th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Just taking last years numbers into account !

    AJ — caught stealing % ….26%
    R. Martin — caught stealing % …..24
    League Average –caught stealing % ……25

    ———
    no brainer..

  33. chicken little December 5th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Its a sad reality when we are sitting here praying the Yanks don’t get out-bid for Jeff Keppinger.

  34. oak2455 December 5th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Blake why bother…. Cashman and this orginazation is failing because they don’t know how to manage a budget…. And now there gonna try and fix it ;) this season is going to be comical at best… Hope the the team era is somewhere around 2…….

  35. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: #Rangers battling with #Dodgers in big-bucks showdown for Zack Greinke. bidding in $160M range. http://t.co/I49h9523

    I just can’t see the Rangers going to that number for Greinke

  36. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    I think they are going to sign AJ. Cashman’s comments yesterday about going in house and defense mattering not were totally aimed at AJ and his agent…..

    There is no way they will go in to 2013 with their current catchers right? They at least have to get a better back up to paid with Romine…..

  37. petrus December 5th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Those of you complaining that the Yankees aren’t spending money with wild abandon, and yearning for the years of George…

    Do you realize that this team’s biggest issue is a grossly overpaid, injury-prone, unmovable third baseman that we’re stuck with until 2017? Please remember that Cash was against resigning him, and that it was Hank who approved that brilliant contract. Cashman has certainly enjoyed having Yankee payroll flexibility in the past, but he is undoubtedly on-board with reigning it in to get under the threshold so the penalties aren’t so severe.

    Don’t suggest that a business plan like that of the new Dodgers group shows they “care about their fans.” They’re just trying to rebuild their brand instantly to fill the stadium and sell merchandise, something you’re not going to do in a year by investing in player development.

  38. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    AJP is a terrible locker room guy.
    They Yankees don’t sign those guys.

    Not anymore.

    Romine is the opening day catcher.
    I am OK with that IF we sign Hamilton and trade Granderson for a Mike Olt type to fill in 3B.

  39. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    WHERE IS HANK?!!!!!!

    —————–

    Tramped in the Yankee dungeon.

    I will say this when he was allowed to be more vocal it seemed like he really cared about the team. He would mention the fans and putting a product on the field to win.

  40. Benny Blanco December 5th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Is greinke really worth 160 million? The dude has 1 cy young not 10.

  41. Cashmoney December 5th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    the yanks will be competitive with the pitching staff they have barring mass injuries on that front. they are not fielding in my opinion a championship caliber team on 2 year max offers imo as well. the logical deduction when i digest everything from lack upper minor legit talents to budget constraints to aging old farts is this-yanks will serve themselves far better in 13 and 14 by at least being open mind and flexible enough to reverse direction if opportunity present itself to acquire young talents. you put Cashman in a budget constraint , he wouldn’t know what to do with himself. exhibit A, letting ross signed a reasonable contract with bosox and letting the whole process with martin drag out when obviously they had a clear dollar figure in mind for him. It’s almost like the man is incapable of multi tasking and the FO lacks a clear vision.

  42. Bronx Jeers December 5th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    The Yanks divesting in YES has got me wondering what the Steins are up to. YES has been a great boon for Yankee Global. Why sell now? Is it because they know its seen its heyday?

    “Get ready for the future, it is murder” – Lenonard Cohen

  43. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    petrus:

    We ALL yelled and clamored at that contract.
    No player is worth 10 yrs at potentially 30 mm+.

    That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t sign big contracts anymore.
    It just means you shouldn’t outbid yourself for such players.

    4 or 5 years of Josh Hamilton is not outrageous.
    7 years of home grown Robbie Cano is not outrageius.
    ARod was outrageous.

  44. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    and that it was Hank who approved that brilliant contract.

    ————————–

    And Hal he signed off on it.

  45. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Benny Blanco December 5th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Is greinke really worth 160 million? The dude has 1 cy young not 10.

    —————

    Can’t believe he’s going to get CC money

  46. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    You know.. Ellsbury for Dickey makes sense.

  47. Tackelberry December 5th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Word is that Pierzynksi would take a 1 year deal with Yanks. If thats the case, sign him.

  48. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    coney1 December 5th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    If writers such as Sherman and Rosenthal are bashing the team, it won’t be long before the fans revolt. Or will they? Will the diehards, like Bald Vinny, still go to the games because they are diehards no matter what? Will the casual fan still go because they really have no idea what’s going on and don’t pay attention to the day-to-day operations of the team?

    ———————-

    They will eventually because ppl are still caught up in other sports:NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. Once the ST rolls around and the team still looks like ehhh then you should hear more outrage.

  49. Cashmoney December 5th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    “We’re down an outfielder,” he said. “I have two center fielders on the board, that I have under control, and I can move them around any which way. If I sign a right fielder or a left fielder, I can just move guys accordingly. I’m looking for a corner outfielder. Doubt I can upgrade on what we have catching-wise, because the defense is an important aspect for us. The bat’s a secondary aspect. That’s why starters who can do defense and offense make a lot of money.
    ——
    paging brian, you are down to no catchers! this dude’s logic made my head hurts. Here is a bright idea Einstein, anyone can do both side of equation in D and O cost a lot of money. your garbage options of that devoid of hamilton, swisher or any other big ticket ofer is no better than your garbage options at catchers. come again Cashman. your priority is offense! period

  50. Mike Ri December 5th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    vWord is that Pierzynksi would take a 1 year deal with Yanks. If thats the case, sign him.

    —–
    agree !

  51. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    We aren’t investing in development either!!!

  52. 86w183 December 5th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Morning folks —-

    Pierzinski backed up by Stewart, Romine or Cervelli would be a significant improvement.

    Doesn’t change the need to find a RH bat for RF and a combo (Chavez/Keppinger) for 3B.

    Gotta admit I am stunned that Napoli and Victorino got $ 13 M.

    Cody Ross makes sense now Ross, Gardner, Granderson. Dickerson makes a decent OF combo.

  53. petrus December 5th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    We ALL yelled and clamored at that contract.
    No player is worth 10 yrs at potentially 30 mm+.

    That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t sign big contracts anymore.
    It just means you shouldn’t outbid yourself for such players.

    4 or 5 years of Josh Hamilton is not outrageous.
    7 years of home grown Robbie Cano is not outrageius.
    ARod was outrageous.
    _______________________________
    How about 5 years, $82 mil for AJ Burnett?

  54. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    The bat’s a secondary aspect

    ————————-

    Excuse was Jorge Posada not on this team for more than a decade raking like a beast. Why does it feel like Cashman is trying to re create the Red Sox team from 5-6 yrs ago that went heavy on defense.

  55. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    How about 5 years, $82 mil for AJ Burnett?

    ——————

    That was on Cashman. He put 3 rookies in the rotation and after they struggled like all young pitchers do he had to beef up the rotation.

  56. pkyankfan69 December 5th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    I’m all for Romine getting a chance if he is healthy… What better way to ease him in than as the right handed side of a platoon at C with Pierzynski… If it’s true that AJP would accept a 1 year deal, the Yankees would be absolute fools to not sign him.

  57. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    “Pierzinski backed up by Stewart, Romine or Cervelli would be a significant improvement.”

    Platoons of AJ/Romine, Ross/ Ichiro, and Chavez/ Keppinger would likely be pretty productive and give them a chance this year…..

    However none of that does really anything to help this club long term and they’d be right back in the same fix next year with even less money to spend

  58. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    We ALL yelled and clamored at that contract.
    No player is worth 10 yrs at potentially 30 mm+.

    That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t sign big contracts anymore.
    It just means you shouldn’t outbid yourself for such players.

    4 or 5 years of Josh Hamilton is not outrageous.
    7 years of home grown Robbie Cano is not outrageius.
    ARod was outrageous.
    _______________________________
    How about 5 years, $82 mil for AJ Burnett?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Still shouldn’t be turning down 1 yeardeals because they are too much or 2 years at 4 mil per year….. that is just ridiculous

  59. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Our developemnt is 2-3 years away.

    Great plan Hal!!!

  60. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    We aren’t investing in development either!!!

    ———————–

    When they had a chance to go over slot before the rules kicked in they didn’t.

  61. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    I also don’t know if any of those guys will do deals that the yanks will accept…..All of them can probably get multi year contracts elsewhere especially Ross

  62. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    However none of that does really anything to help this club long term and they’d be right back in the same fix next year with even less money to spend

    ———————

    If Mo and Andy have good seasons… if Jeter bounces back this year…

    Micheal Scott: Listen up, everybody. I have some news. We are screwed.

  63. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    I refer to previous conversations.

    You acnnot just look at 2013.
    Look at 2014, look at the GAPING holes.

    We have 125 million devoted to the 2014 roster.
    Even if you get creative on 1 year deals, 2014 is a wasteland.

    Will Gardner be healthy?
    Who plays 2B?
    Who plays LF and RF?
    Who plays 3B?
    Will a 40 year old Jeter still be a real option at SS?

    Your job as GM is NOT to look at this coming year. You have to look at the next 4 years.

  64. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    What’s hilarious is that teams are trying to drive up the price on Ibanez and Chavez…..there was a leak yesterday that the Sox had interest in Chavez and the Mariners in Ibanez

  65. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    “Micheal Scott: Listen up, everybody. I have some news. We are screwed.”

    Perfect

  66. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    @mlbtraderumors: White Sox In On Jeff Keppinger http://t.co/3Rsms0N3 #mlb

  67. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    When they had a chance to go over slot before the rules kicked in they didn’t.

    ——————–

    People approach our criticisms all wrong.. the problem has been they haven’t had an effective plan.

    I had a whole argument about Nakajima because it reflects the biggest issue the club has: lack of proactive, forward-thinking decision making.

    If you guys think this off season has been bad, the next one will be inevitably worse. We can only hope they do something great and make us eat crow, as 86 suggested.

  68. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: eric chavez would be great for #yankees (16 HRs in ’12). but they might want to do 3B platoon. chavez-keppinger would work

    If you’re Keppinger why would you accept the short end of a 3b platoon?

  69. djsunyc December 5th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    yankees have half the payroll tied up with CC, arod, tex, (and jeter) for 2014.

    so they need to fill out the rest of the roster for under $100 mil. that is not easy to do. especially if they plan to re-sign cano.

    and i like the plan right now – deal with stop gap players and then re-asses the team and it’s direction after this season.

    we are a in a purgatory place right now. this was bound to happen when you keep giving out crazy contracts. the landscape of the CBA changed with these new luxury tax rules. so we have to adjust accordingly…and that will take time.

    talent will have to be sacrificed. this was expected and known for a long time. not sure why fans are still upset about it.

  70. LGY December 5th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    why would you commit 3 years to a platoon player?

  71. djsunyc December 5th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    btw, not to mention the yanks will have to spend 25% more than other teams just to get FA’s to the negotiating table.

  72. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    LGY says:
    December 5, 2012 at 10:00 am
    why would you commit 3 years to a platoon player?

    Because we are apparently screwed

  73. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    This ain’t rocket science folks. Cashman’s looking for a RH, corner OF platoon bat, and does Not wanna spend Big Jack. RYAN LUDWICK solves this problem.

  74. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Just let Chavez and Adams play 3B go with the in house catchers…..sign Ichiro for RF ….and lets see how that all works out#shouldbefun

  75. Cashmoney December 5th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    AoA, this singular focus on D at catching is similar to Cashman’s one way thought process in regard to constructing an offense with big and hairy. both do have merits, but lacks depth and flexibility. it’s rigid. Just as Yankees priority in securing pitching while letting some reasonable pieces esp when one consider their self imposing budget to go by… what? Cashman can’t talk on two lines at the same time?

  76. pkyankfan69 December 5th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Angel Pagan getting 4 years – $40M makes the Melky deal (2 years – $16M) look better and better… Yanks missed a golden opportunity to bring in a switch hitting OFer in his prime for pennies on the dollar… Melky at that price was an absolute steal in what is certainly a lousy FA market.

  77. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    When they had a chance to go over slot before the rules kicked in they didn’t.

    ——————–

    People approach our criticisms all wrong.. the problem has been they haven’t had an effective plan.

    I had a whole argument about Nakajima because it reflects the biggest issue the club has: lack of proactive, forward-thinking decision making.

    If you guys think this off season has been bad, the next one will be inevitably worse. We can only hope they do something great and make us eat crow, as 86 suggested.

    ——————–

    Exactly a lack of forward thinking is the issue. They were set up so well after the 09 championship what the hell happened.

  78. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    “Melky at that price was an absolute steal in what is certainly a lousy FA market.”

    Cashman thinks he’s a 4th outfielder ….

  79. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Cashmoney December 5th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    AoA, this singular focus on D at catching is similar to Cashman’s one way thought process in regard to constructing an offense with big and hairy. both do have merits, but lacks depth and flexibility. it’s rigid. Just as Yankees priority in securing pitching while letting some reasonable pieces esp when one consider their self imposing budget to go by… what? Cashman can’t talk on two lines at the same time?

    —————

    Francesa has said more than once that Cashman can be stubborn especially when it comes to his beliefs. We all like defense but he’s taking it to the extreme.

  80. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    Nick Cafardo was on the radio discussing the importance of keeping the fan base excited.

    I agree.

  81. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    this was expected and known for a long time. not sure why fans are still upset about it.

    ——————–

    Fans are upset because the one advantage the team had is gone. The farm is suppose to be a pipeline and it really hasn’t been the case. Now we’re once again waiting on kids in the minors to save the day. Do ppl forget Cashman saying Generation Trey was going to anchor the Yankee staff or the Bs would allow them to reduce payroll but still keep them competitive. I said this yesterday now that they no longer have a financial stronghold what is their advantage?

  82. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    We will likely get outbid for any free agent who can get multiple years.

  83. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    Nick Cafardo was on the radio discussing the importance of keeping the fan base excited.

    I agree.

    ——————-

    And their is no excitement with this team…zero. There is no young player learning on the job or big time free agent.

  84. Frankg December 5th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    I can only hope that Cashman realizes his gift is finding good talent on the “scrap heap” of aging veterans.

    When he tries to act like a real GM and make trades, he usually gets the short end and we wind up with the Pineda deal or the 3 for 1 Granderson deal which cost us too much young talent for someone whost talent is fading rapidly.

  85. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    @Buster_ESPN: Nate Schierholtz, who has generated a lot of interest since being non-tendered by PHI, is making good progress toward his next deal.

  86. Cashmoney December 5th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    yanks need a new gm to face this brave new world and probably new owners. those two things are probably very exclusive.

  87. Chip December 5th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    I think Keppinger and Kubel will be Yankees before the end of the day – though Kubel may be on hold while Arizona tries to figure out this rumored four way deal with the Rangers, Indians and Rays.

    On other notes:

    Victorino’s contract is being called by ESPN’s Keith Law as the worst of the winter thus far. He goes on to say that they’re essentially paying a guy with severe platoon splits very good starter money.

    The more I look at it, there have been maybe 4 or 5 good contracts this off season: Napoli, Haren, Ross and Hunter.

    The other major deals: Guthrie, Victorino, Pagan, Martin, Upton, League, Scutaro, Gomes; these have all been bad deals either in terms of salary or length of the contract or both.

    As a result you’re hearing about guys who should be available on one year deals for little money looking at 3 or 4 year deals (Keppinger, Hairston, Ross)

  88. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    @Buster_ESPN

    The Yankees are the early frontrunner in Nate Schierholtz’s talks for his next team.

    The rumor mill is finally coming up Yankees!

  89. Chip December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Peter Gammons: I asked people with the Yankees about Pierzynski because I thought his power would really play in that stadium and I was told “absolutely not happening”

  90. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Maybe Cash will show us all up by swinging a 3 way trade for Upton , signing Hamilton, signing AJ, and trading Granderson for Mike Olt by the end of the day.

    I’m expecting an Ibanez and Chavez signing though instead

  91. Tackelberry December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Cashman is laying in the weeds ready to strike. Schierholtz would be a great pick up

  92. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Based on Cashman’s tone, I get the feeling he is PO’d that the A-Rod surgery news got out. All the GM’s he deems to be “dim-wits” are Now calling him with hair-brained offers. Shades of the, “pot-and-the-kettle”.
    Boston with all this $$$, and a free agent class that should be in Continuation School. Boo-Hoo.

  93. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Victorino’s contract is being called by ESPN’s Keith Law as the worst of the winter thus far”

    By far…..terrible

  94. Bronx Jeers December 5th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    I like my crow over rice with sriracha sauce and a cold beer.

    My targets Hamilton because at the very least he’ll bring some excitement to what has turned into a very boring Yankee team.

    Even if he’s a bust we can wake up each day looking to find out if he was spotted in some outer borough smokin the devils johnson. :shock:

  95. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Sounds like the Ichiro train may have left the station

  96. Cashmoney December 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    jerk, hold your excitements, i think Marlins are in the picture, loria just threw down 40 bucks more on Nate. Hal is in the tank and contemplating a call.

  97. longtimefan December 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Wild speculation all over this board, as if fans know what is realy in owners or gm’s mind!
    People crying about losing Martin as if the sky is falling. On his best day couldn’t carry Posada’s
    jock strap. Give in house catching a shot: Cervelli/Romine and see what happens couldn’t be any worse than last year with Martin. Pick up another outfielder and use Dickerson as 4th, sign Chavez/Youk for 3rd.

  98. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    @DKnobler: Dbacks, Indians have discussed deal that would include Asdrubal, Bauer, as @castrovince said. One exec involved: “some legs, but long-shot.”

    Get in there cash

  99. Chip December 5th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    I wouldn’t be against Schierholtz, but he’s a fourth outfielder and back-up 1b – that’s all there is to it. If that’s the role he’s signed for, I have no problem with it. If the Yankees sign him with an eye on him being the team’s primary RF, then that’s a major issue.

  100. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Why would anyone associated with the Yanks even talk with Homer Gammons? Somebody call the men in the White Coats. This old coot is ready for a padded cell.

  101. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    If the Yankees are truly out on AJ then I have to believe cash has something else in the works for a catcher…..I refuse to believe they’ll go into 2013 with what they have

  102. Chip December 5th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Victorino’s contract is being called by ESPN’s Keith Law as the worst of the winter thus far”

    By far…..terrible
    ———————

    The only people who should be happy about it are Nick Swisher, Mike Bourn and Yankee fans.

  103. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    What’s hilarious is that teams are trying to drive up the price on Ibanez and Chavez…..there was a leak yesterday that the Sox had interest in Chavez and the Mariners in Ibanez

    ———————

    And who can blame them? Every other club is going to make us pay at this point.. they’re all working in unison to get even marginal players’ value driven up.

  104. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Cervelli/Romine and see what happens couldn’t be any worse than last year with Martin

    ———————-

    Yes it could be

  105. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    @DKnobler

    One more from late last night: It’s likely Greinke or Hamilton, not Greinke and Hamilton, for Rangers. http://cbsprt.co/TOwqbf

  106. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    If the Yankees are truly out on AJ then I have to believe cash has something else in the works for a catcher…..I refuse to believe they’ll go into 2013 with what they have

    ——————-

    Phantom limb!

  107. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    @DKnobler

    Also: Rays suggesting Shields or Hellickson more available than Price. http://cbsprt.co/TByfIz

  108. AAA December 5th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Cashman is laying in the weeds ready to strike. Schierholtz would be a great pick up

    ==============================

    It’s come to this? A career 4th OF who doesn’t get on base is viewed as a great pick up….FOR THE YANKEES.

  109. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    “Maybe Cash will show us all up by swinging a 3 way trade for Upton , signing Hamilton, signing AJ, and trading Granderson for Mike Olt by the end of the day.

    I’m expecting an Ibanez and Chavez signing though instead

    You would get the loudest virtual cheer if the first happened.
    I still think, if we traded Granderson for Olt and signed Hamilton, you don’t need AJP. I am really OK with Romine behind the plate if that happens.

    Sign Ichiro to play LF.
    Next year:
    resign Cano
    resign Hughes
    bring up Tyler Autin to play RF and move Hamilton LF.

    Infield for 2013 + 2014
    Olt/Jeter/Cano/Tex
    2015 – 2017:
    Find a young SS.
    Olt/Young SS/Cano/Tex

    Outfield for 2013 – 2017:
    Hamilton LF
    Gardner CF, followed by Mason Williams or Slade the Blade
    Tyler Austin RF

    Romine starts 2013 + 2014.
    Sanchez takes over in 2015 – 2023.

  110. Chip December 5th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    I think the Red Sox interest in Chavez is BS; but the Mariners are probably legitimately interested in Ibanez.

  111. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    You people have allowed Cashman to condition you into thinking acquiring players like Schierholtz and Keppinger are of note. These are Part-Timer players. Throw some water into your face, hit yourself over the head with a frying pan, stick your finger inna light socket. WAKE UP

  112. LGY December 5th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    With all these platoons he’s planing, Cashman is aware that you are only permitted to have 25 players on the active roster, right?

  113. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    The Yankees are in on Schoerholtz a corner OF who has never hit ten homers and had a lifetime OPS of .727.

    Yes, indeed. Excitement is building.

  114. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    A career 4th OF who doesn’t get on base is viewed as a great pick up….FOR THE YANKEES.

    ——————–

    Crazy times isn’t it

  115. Mike Ri December 5th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    You people have allowed Cashman to condition you into thinking acquiring players like Schierholtz and Keppinger are of note. These are Part-Timer players. Throw some water into your face, hit yourself over the head with a frying pan, stick your finger inna light socket. WAKE UP

    —————-

    Agree !!

  116. longtimefan December 5th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 10:23 am
    Cervelli/Romine and see what happens couldn’t be any worse than last year with Martin

    ———————-

    Yes it could be

    You are probably right, It would be tough to bat just over .200 and have the team ace rather pitch to the backup catcher!

  117. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    LGY says:
    December 5, 2012 at 10:26 am
    With all these platoons he’s planing, Cashman is aware that you are only permitted to have 25 players on the active roster, right?

    Lol

  118. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Wouldn’t it be better to find out if the Yankee Ichiro from last year could re-peat than to sign Nate Schierjoktz?

  119. Chip December 5th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    LGY December 5th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    With all these platoons he’s planing, Cashman is aware that you are only permitted to have 25 players on the active roster, right?
    ———————-

    It could work – in theory:

    Starters:

    Romine
    Tex
    Cano
    Jeter
    Keppinger
    Gardner
    Granderson
    Ross

    Bench:
    Scheirholtz
    Chavez
    Nix
    Stewart

  120. Chip December 5th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Wouldn’t it be better to find out if the Yankee Ichiro from last year could re-peat than to sign Nate Schierjoktz?
    —————

    One might not preclude the other.

    They could sign Nate, deal Granderson (hope) re-sign Ichiro and move Gardner to CF

  121. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    “They could sign Nate, deal Granderson (hope) re-sign Ichiro and move Gardner to CF”

    That’s a pretty terrible outfield

  122. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Schierholtz is LH. Thought the Yanks were in search of a RH corner OF’er???

  123. LGY December 5th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Cashman discovered the new market inefficiency. Dumpster diving for platoon players.

    Almost as good as closer by committee.

  124. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    If they sign Schierholtz then I have to assume Ichiro won’t be back because its redundant …

  125. CountryClub December 5th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    I just looked at Schierholtz’s splits over the last 3 years and I was expecting better vs righties. He only has a .334 OBP and .774 OPS. For a platoon guy I would like to see better numbers.

  126. pkyankfan69 December 5th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    According to Andy Martino of the New York Daily News, the Mets know they can sign R.A. Dickey to a two-year extension worth approximately $13 million per season.
    ——————————————–
    I’d be really pissed if I were a Mets fan that they would not agree to a 2 years – $26M extension with Dickey… That is a very very reasonable deal despite Dickey’s age.

  127. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Gimme Youk and Ludwick. Keppinger 3 years??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  128. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    CountryClub says:
    December 5, 2012 at 10:38 am
    I just looked at Schierholtz’s splits over the last 3 years and I was expecting better vs righties. He only has a .334 OBP and .774 OPS. For a platoon guy I would like to see better numbers.

    He’s a 4th outfielder

  129. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    I just looked at Schierholtz’s splits over the last 3 years and I was expecting better vs righties. He only has a .334 OBP and .774 OPS. For a platoon guy I would like to see better numbers.

    He has an OPS over .800 the last 2 years at least :(

    Is this really a market inefficiency if everyone is in on these guys? Keppinger is going to fleece us for 3 years! Hardly efficient :(

  130. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    @baldvinny

    the very “un-chantable” Nate Schierholtz RT @IIATMS Olney: Yankees frontrunners for Schierholtz http://itsaboutthemoney.net/?p=32303

  131. CountryClub December 5th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    You people have allowed Cashman to condition you into thinking acquiring players like Schierholtz and Keppinger are of note. These are Part-Timer players.

    —————–

    Yes, but as Sherman wrote:

    Joelsherman1 Chavez .908 v. RHP/Keppinger .923 v. LHP/both good def at 3B would be strong platoon as A-Rod rehabs, good reserves if he returns #Yankees

  132. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    @Joelsherman1: #Indians may be ahead for Jason Bay, #Mariners still a factor. #Cubs on periphery

    Why are the Indians making these offers for old outfielders? I guess to replace Choo should they deal him but they reportedly offered Victorino 40 million dollars…..that makes zero sense for a rebuilding club

  133. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    We are talking about the same Schierholtz??? The guy that could Not stay on the SF 25 Man roster, and everybody butchers the spelling of his name. That guy, right???

  134. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    The meetings end today. Is Cashman packing yet? He likes to leave early. If Schierholtz is his deal, he can leave now. I’d rather watch Melky Mesa fan.

  135. Patrick December 5th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Why is hitting a “secondary aspect” when looking for a catcher? Posada was the starting catcher for 12 seasons and even in his best years he was at best an average defender. How many world series did the team win during that span? 4

  136. NYYROC December 5th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Agree with the many comments on platoons: I can’t remember when the NYY were looking at so many platooned positions. Everywhere but 1B, 2B and SS (when Jeter is back).

  137. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Again, LOOK at these names. BAY,SCHIERHOLTZ, KEPPINGER??? Your talking about “bit players” in the Vito Scotti vein. Come on now.

  138. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    @TylerKepner

    On Baseball: It Is ‘World Series or Bust’ for Nationals in Final Year of Manager Davey Johnson http://nyti.ms/11B2GF5

    ————–

    Hahaha..

  139. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    “Why is hitting a “secondary aspect” when looking for a catcher? Posada was the starting catcher for 12 seasons and even in his best years he was at best an average defender”

    Apparently they have slept since then

  140. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Where can I buy my “189 or bust T shirt” ?

  141. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Or it should read ” 189 and bust”

  142. luis December 5th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Good morning guys,

    So Cashman values defense over offense in the C position. What a nightmare it must have been for this guy to have to endure Posada all those years ;)

    Not looking for an upgrade in the C position might mean a tandem of Stewart/Romine or Romine/Cervelli. I am fine with it.

    He might have hinted that he is thinking of trading one CF ( I hope is Granderson, but not likely )

  143. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    That Boston Victorino signing is proof positive they have No Idea how to properly use their money. It’s like letting a kid play with matches.

  144. CountryClub December 5th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    I realize people are down on Keppinger. But over the last 3 years his slash line vs lefties is .325/.360/.840.

    That’s no joke.

  145. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    @JonHeymanCBS

    Grilli market heating up (weak pun). 10 teams in. Good pitcher. Oddity: chose gary sheffield as his agent

  146. CountryClub December 5th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS
    Very available: shin-soo choo as well as cadrubal. #indians looking for long-term assets

  147. Chip December 5th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    “They could sign Nate, deal Granderson (hope) re-sign Ichiro and move Gardner to CF”

    That’s a pretty terrible outfield
    ——————–

    Again, I’m going to wait for them to sign him before I get frustrated. If he’s being brought in as a bench player fine. If they strain their shoulders patting themselves on the back for solving their OF issues with this signing, then I will be irked.

  148. Patrick December 5th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    I’d love Keppinger, his market might be down now after he broke his leg so I’d definitely be happy to get him.

  149. Tackelberry December 5th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    You people that are killing Cashman DO realize that it is Dec 5, not Feb 18 right? Does the offseason end today?

  150. Patrick December 5th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Very available: shin-soo choo as well as cadrubal. #indians looking for long-term assets

    Get on it Cash!

  151. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    That’s an All LH OF. NOT gonna happen

  152. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    I’m starting to wonder if they’re trying to move Gardner and not Granderson with the way they are now referring to him as a CF.

    I hope that’s just to let Grandy know there’s a strong chance he’ll be in LF, but who knows what Cash has up his sleeve (spoiler alert, it’s this: http://www.realitybatslast.com.....10/gob.jpg)

  153. Chip December 5th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Patrick December 5th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    I’d love Keppinger, his market might be down now after he broke his leg so I’d definitely be happy to get him.
    ————-

    All indications are that his market is fine.

  154. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    @teixeiramark25

    There are three things I fear: computers turning against humans, nuclear war, and pelicans. http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=8711940

    ——————–

    Tex doesn’t need to fear the budget because he’s already got a ring and is getting paid.

  155. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Tackelberry December 5th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    You people that are killing Cashman DO realize that it is Dec 5, not Feb 18 right? Does the offseason end today?

    ———————-

    What did they do last year to help them this year?

  156. Chip December 5th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    That’s an All LH OF. NOT gonna happen
    —————-

    Genius, if they sign Ichiro or just Scheirholtz the OF is all LH anyway.

  157. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    3 years Guaranteed to Keppinger. NO WAY

  158. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Who are we talking about here?

    Jeff Keppinger? Really?
    Just bring up Adams and resign Chavez.
    Stop buying these garbage platoon players.
    Especially when they’re looking at 2 to 3 years.

  159. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    @JonHeymanCBS

    #redsox seem willing to talk about just about anyone, even lester and ellsbury. very active here #obvs

  160. randy l. December 5th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    “Yes, indeed. Excitement is building.”

    austinmac-

    what would be exciting is if the yankees were going into 2013 with a focus on youth that was a culmination of a dogged development of the yankee minor league system by yankee management.

    if ian kennedy,austin jackson, jesus montero,and melky cabrera were all yankees today there’d be a different feel to the next few austerity years as the cost of an aging core moves on like a pig through a python.

    hughes and joba would not be approaching free agency had they not been rushed. surely they could have been held back at least a year. at this point every year matters. the yankees didn’t now 2014 was coming five years ago?

    guess what, 2018 is coming too.

    anyone here confident cashman has it covered?

    how’s those killer b’s doing anyway?

    weren’t they supposed to be the last chance for cashman to prove he could develop young players at a rate necessary for replenishing the yankees ?

  161. comnsnse December 5th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Interesting but lacking in business perspective observations here.

    Why would Fox buy into any entity which did not command strong viewership in order to sell expensive commercial time?

    Is that the reason the gave the Dodgers the media deal they did,or why the Dodgers seem to be printing money?

    As to the obvious question,”are the Steins looking to sell the franchise?

    I believe a resounding yes! No pun intended.

    Oft times it’s a better tax situation to sell off pieces instead of the whole,and when you factor in the obvious about the current Steins personna.

    There was simply only one George,who not only wanted to make money,but had the unquenchable thirst to win at everything. The current crop of Steins are a nerd,a suspect alcoholic and an ex landscaper who see only $ signs not history or championships!

    The likely buyer ……..Fox/News Corp……….with Glen Beck doing color commentary and on opening day being tossed out of the booth landing on the net by O’Neil! lol

  162. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    - chip -
    Stop the insults. The Yanks are Not gonna have a ALL LH hitting OF whatever the mix, and that includes Kubel.

  163. jacksquat December 5th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Schierholtz Moving Toward Deal; Yankees In Lead
    By Luke Adams [December 5, 2012 at 9:27am CST]
    Having generated plenty of interest since hitting the free agent market last week, Nate Schierholtz is making “good progress” toward a new deal, according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney. Olney adds that the Yankees are the early favorites to land the 28-year-old (Twitter links).

    Schierholtz was traded by the Giants to the Phillies in the deadline deal that sent Hunter Pence to San Francisco. For the season, the outfielder hit .257/.321/.407 in 269 plate appearances. Despite a potential arbitration cost of around $1.6MM, according to MLBTR’s projections, the Phillies elected not to tender Schierholtz a contract for 2013.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....vUL0VYW.99

    Schierholtz career vs rhp: .266 .319 .413 .732

    Dickerson career vs rhp: .269 .354 .424 .778

    Dickerson also has more range (can play CF), faster on the bases, good basestealer. Schierholtz’ only advantage is his arm.

  164. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    @nickcafardo: Most baseball people here in Nashville feel Jacoby Ellsbury tough to deal because teams have no idea if they can sign him.

    nd because he’s made of glass

  165. Tackelberry December 5th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:56 am
    Tackelberry December 5th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    You people that are killing Cashman DO realize that it is Dec 5, not Feb 18 right? Does the offseason end today?

    ———————-

    What did they do last year to help them this year?

    ____________________________________

    Whats last year got to do with this year? And they did go to the ALCS last year did they not?

  166. oak2455 December 5th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Jayson Stark ?@jaysonst
    The big buzz this morning at the winter meetings is: Watch out for Texas on Zack Greinke.

  167. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Boston with ALL that $$$, and nothing out there to spend it on. They will soon be back in the same position they were in when last season began.

  168. chicken little December 5th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    I really hope Texas (or some team not named the Dodgers) gets Grienke. The Dodgers seem to think that its all about money …

    Then again maybe I am bitter because the Yankees used to think that.

  169. pkyankfan69 December 5th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    I hope Texas gives Greinke an 8 year – $160M+ deal… A few years down the road they will likely be regretting that one.

  170. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Whats last year got to do with this year? And they did go to the ALCS last year did they not?

    ————————

    Did they not know we still needed to field a team in 2013 last year? They could have predicted every hole they are trying to fill right now. They could have tried to trade Swish or Grandy last off season to compensate. They could have tried to sign some cheaper international options to see if they could fill voids that were just going to get bigger as the years progressed. They could have tried to extend players coming off down years, like Hughes.

    There used to be a Yankees team that would hold off on a deal for Santana because they planned for CC to hit FA. You can’t just operate on one years plans! It’s a poor business model.

  171. AAA December 5th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    I’d love Keppinger, his market might be down now after he broke his leg so I’d definitely be happy to get him.

    ===============================

    Lot of evidence to the contrary in the Twitterverse. Some even suggesting he can get 3 years. 2 is more likely, but looks now as though he can collect 2 years and something in the $14M-$15M range.

  172. Triple Short of a Cycle December 5th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Does anyone actually believe that once 2014 comes and the Tax has been reset that the Yankees will become big players again?

  173. disco stu December 5th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    “What did they do last year to help them this year?

    ____________________________________

    Whats last year got to do with this year? And they did go to the ALCS last year did they not?”

    Precisely … and to be technical, last year Cashman DID sign Hiroki Kuroda who then proceeded to our most reliable and durable starting pitcher in 2012 … and has promptly re-signed him again for next year … along with Andy.

  174. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    The Scutaro signing absolutely blew-up the Keppinger Market.

  175. BX33 December 5th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    “Does anyone actually believe that once 2014 comes and the Tax has been reset that the Yankees will become big players again?”

    Nope. This is going to be the new Yankees under Hal Steinbrenner. It is going to be like this until the ARod/Tex contracts expire.

  176. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    I can’t imagine Texas going to 160 on greinke

  177. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    “I’d love Keppinger”

    WHY?


    Does anyone actually believe that once 2014 comes and the Tax has been reset that the Yankees will become big players again?

    NO. GREED takes over and the Yankees will keep bargain hunting.
    Remeber the tx goes 17.5 to 30 to 40 to 50.
    Its not like it takes 5 years to jump.
    It jumps annually.

    If they follow through with this model.
    This team will be garbage hunting for 5 years when ARod is the last remianing absurd contract.

  178. Tackelberry December 5th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    If texas gets Greinke, that increases the chances of the yanks possibly signing Hamilton.

  179. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    disco stu December 5th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    “What did they do last year to help them this year?

    ____________________________________

    Whats last year got to do with this year? And they did go to the ALCS last year did they not?”

    Precisely … and to be technical, last year Cashman DID sign Hiroki Kuroda who then proceeded to our most reliable and durable starting pitcher in 2012 … and has promptly re-signed him again for next year … along with Andy.

    —————-

    Kuroda and Andy are not long term options that help this team meet their goals – which is to win on a budget they are ill prepared to maintain. Andy and Kuroda being back this year is great.. but it only opens up more questions for how you replace them in 2014 with less money.

    2014, as of now, is CC, Nova, Phelps, Pineda, and X. Maybe Warren or Mitchell find a way. Maybe Andy will break his leg this year and accept 50% of his salary next year. I have no idea. But this is not planning. This is not proactive planning.

  180. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 5th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Nate Schierholtz is a WASTE OF $$$ AND SPACE.

    This is a pathetic signing. Even having interest in this guy is pathetic. He’s a mediocre bum.

    Not sure where the logic is in signing this dou!che instead of Ichiro unless Cashman has something else planned for LF.

    This lineup has next to zero power outside of Granderson, Cano, and Tex. And with Grandreson, you get like 150 Ks and a .230 avg. No thanks.

    Hope everyone is excited about this mediocre Yankee offense and their inevitable 3rd or 4th place finish in the AL East.

  181. CountryClub December 5th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Does anyone actually believe that once 2014 comes and the Tax has been reset that the Yankees will become big players again?

    ———————-

    The major benefits from the revenus sharing aspect only come if they’re under 189 in 2014 AND 2015. This wont be a 1 yr thing. 2016 will be Teix’s last yr…and I think CC too. So they could spend big in 16 knowing those guys come off the books in 17.

  182. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    longtimefan December 5th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 10:23 am
    Cervelli/Romine and see what happens couldn’t be any worse than last year with Martin

    ———————-

    Yes it could be

    You are probably right, It would be tough to bat just over .200 and have the team ace rather pitch to the backup catcher!

    ————

    As bad as Martin was we would be relying on a rookie and a back up catcher that team buried last yr in AAA.

  183. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Tackelberry December 5th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    If texas gets Greinke, that increases the chances of the yanks possibly signing Hamilton.

    ——————

    I’d love to have to eat ALL my words… but you’re living in phantom limb land right now. These ain’t your daddy’s Yankees. No way they’re going to take a chance and spend money on Hamilton.

  184. AAA December 5th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Does anyone actually believe that once 2014 comes and the Tax has been reset that the Yankees will become big players again?

    ====================================

    To some degree, yes. I think they’ll seek to be “leaner and meaner” and have a defined budget, but I don’t think we’ll ever see them boxed in again the way they are right now over this $189M thing. They’ll always be one of the top 3-4 highest payrolls in the game, but they’ll do business a little differently, IMO.

  185. Warning Track Power December 5th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Did the Giants overpay for Scutaro, 3 years/20 million? I would say yes. With that money spent, how can they afford to pay Swisher?
    We should all be thrilled that Cashman is not making these same ridiculous moves so far
    this off-season.

  186. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    To some degree, yes. I think they’ll seek to be “leaner and meaner” and have a defined budget, but I don’t think we’ll ever see them boxed in again the way they are right now over this $189M thing. They’ll always be one of the top 3-4 highest payrolls in the game, but they’ll do business a little differently, IMO.

    ————————–

    Depends on if they are really intent on selling.. but generally I think you’re right. They just weren’t prepared for the fiscal landscape they’re facing and don’t care if they need to eat it for a few years to reset things. It’s like social security, where an entire generations is just waiting for the baby boomers to die so this thing can level out again lol..

  187. Triple Short of a Cycle December 5th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    They’ll always be one of the top 3-4 highest payrolls in the game, but they’ll do business a little differently, IMO.

    —————————————————

    I’m not so sure about that. Prime free agents (Big money guys) are getting to free agency less and less.

    To be near the top of payroll among other teams would mean having guys like Arod,Tex,CC,Jeter among others on your team.

    I see them maybe having 1 or 2 at most of those guys but I honestly see their payroll being in the 130 range in the future once Arod,Tex and CC come off

  188. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Tackelberry says:
    December 5, 2012 at 11:12 am
    If texas gets Greinke, that increases the chances of the yanks possibly signing Hamilton.

    Probably increases the chances that somebody other than Texas signs him….but no clue whether it affects the Yanks or not

  189. 86w183 December 5th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Schierholz is not a fourth OF, he’s a 5th or 6th. He’s not as good a player as Chris Dickerson.

    Keppinger is a far superior ball player who is capable of playing every day, but is best spotted away from the top RH pitchers. That’s why I like the idea of opening the season w/ Keppinger and Chavez sharing 3B w/ some other duties elsewhere.

  190. pkyankfan69 December 5th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Warning Track Power December 5th, 2012 at 11:18 am
    Did the Giants overpay for Scutaro, 3 years/20 million? I would say yes. With that money spent, how can they afford to pay Swisher?
    We should all be thrilled that Cashman is not making these same ridiculous moves so far
    this off-season.
    ——————————————————–
    Happy we haven’t signed anyone to an awful deal so far? Sure.

    Happy that we let Melky sign for 2 years – $16M while we are looking at Nate Sh.tholes? Not so much.

  191. AAA December 5th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Did the Giants overpay for Scutaro, 3 years/20 million? I would say yes. With that money spent, how can they afford to pay Swisher?
    We should all be thrilled that Cashman is not making these same ridiculous moves so far
    this off-season

    =================================

    The way TV money is blowing up around baseball, many of these deals may well end up looking quite reasonable 2-3 years from now.

  192. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    @WheresKernan: I’m having a lot of fun watching the #Yankees acting like they’re the #Padres.

    It’s funny in a so painful it’s funny sort of way I guess

  193. Tackelberry December 5th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:20 am
    Tackelberry says:
    December 5, 2012 at 11:12 am
    If texas gets Greinke, that increases the chances of the yanks possibly signing Hamilton.

    Probably increases the chances that somebody other than Texas signs him….but no clue whether it affects the Yanks or not
    ____________________________________

    I did say ‘possibly’, not definitely, and the Yanks are ‘a team other than texas’ right?

  194. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    @Buster_ESPN: Rival official on Indians: “The price for Choo is high, and for Asdrubal even higher.”

  195. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 5th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    86w183,

    Exactly. Schierholtz is a useless bum.

    Yankees management is pathetic and we deserve to miss the playoffs if we’re wasting $ on these types of middling players.

    Might as well give Dickerson a chance. Hell, I bet Mason Williams would put up better numbers than Schierholtz.

    I never used to think this way, but I hope the Steinbrenners sell the Yankees and then the new mgmt FIRES Cashman.

    This payroll stuff is getting out of hand.

  196. DONNYBROOK December 5th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    I Believe the trade market is where Cashman is concentrating his efforts to fill holes. This crop of free agents, at these prices, just aint worth the time and effort.

  197. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    “I did say ‘possibly’, not definitely, and the Yanks are ‘a team other than texas’ right?”

    Yea but doesn’t look like they are one that will spend money…..I think Cash is in the weeds on Hamilton and I hope it would increase their chances but I just have no idea if Hal would approve the money or not

  198. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle December 5th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Does anyone actually believe that once 2014 comes and the Tax has been reset that the Yankees will become big players again?

    —————————

    I doubt it. Their goal is to show they don’t need to have the highest payroll to win

  199. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 5th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Guys, stop dreaming about Greinke…he’s not going to pitch in NY for the Yankees.

    Only way we bring in another pitcher is if we trade for one.

  200. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    The Yankees will not be the Yankees if they are simply clumped in a group of 5-7 teams at a certain payroll range. Their advantage was in out spending the competition, not simply spending the same amounts. It is unrealistic for them to be able to outspend the Dodgers at this point, but they can match them, and matching them would be outspending the red sox, phillies, tigers, mets, red sox, angels, and rangers

  201. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Hamilton was the 2nd most popular player in baseball last year and he fills an obvious need. If they want to improve the lineup and put butts in the seats then there isn’t an easier option to do it……

  202. 86w183 December 5th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    I see them maybe having 1 or 2 at most of those guys but I honestly see their payroll being in the 130 range in the future once Arod,Tex and CC come off.

    ***************************************************************************

    Totally disagree with this assessment. The Yanks will always be among the highest payrolls in the game, but I don’t think they are required to be THE highest year in and year out.

    There will always be elite FA looking for a big score and the Yanks will always have the option of getting involved. This year you had a slew of really good OF led by Hamilton, one of the most talented players in the game.

    It’s not a great year for pitching…. but you still have Grienke, Kuroda, Lohse, Haren, Pettitte, Sanchez and Pettitte out there. Bullpen-wise there;s Rivera, Soriano, Affeldt, Burnett and more.

  203. mick December 5th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    So all the haters who threw Yanks are like rooting for IBM and we buy our championships were right?

  204. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    There are several teams that will hike their payroll to 189 IMO and I’ve been saying this for awhile……the yanks will be just one of the several teams at the limit

  205. chicken little December 5th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    This is a dream scenario for Cashman. Get to prove he can build a championship with spare parts and a bunch of 40 year olds.
    Hate to say it, but I hope this off-season debacle leads to a disastrous season. Then maybe Hal will actually spend his money instead of swimming in it.

  206. Hassey December 5th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Cashman in talks with Engleberg’s agent…getting close…Cash loves his defense

  207. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Welcome to the NEW New York Tankees:

    MLB Trade Rumors:

    Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer adds that the Yankees are interested in Hannahan as well (Twitter link). The Yankees recently learned they’ll be without Alex Rodriguez for as much as half of the 2013 season.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#3sfCS0pYCgLqoC4l.99

  208. BoJo December 5th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Nate Schierholtz? Yeah, that assures another ring…

    (Note to self–find that apple that makes you sleep a long time asap)

  209. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Rosenthal reporting that the 4 way for Upton was between the Indians, Rangers, Rays, and Dbacks…….meanwhile Cashman chases bench players

  210. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    This way for another platoon discussion :arrow:

  211. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 5th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Jerkface,

    I agree to an extent…They’re still going to spend $ and yes, that is always what set us apart (good/bad thing), but at this juncture and in light of the moves we’ve made thus far this offseason, we are clearly in “win now” mode (Kuroda/Pettitte/Mo). Otherwise, why sign guys in their 40s at all? Let them walk/retire, bank the money, and just run a bunch of Nate Schierholtz caliber players out there and settle on last place in the AL East for a few years until the big contracts start coming off the books.

    blake,

    I wasn’t sold on Hamilton early on, but in light of the reports that he’s considering a 4 year deal, I think you’re absolutely right. He’d fill an obvious need, improve the offense significantly, and put butts in the seats.

  212. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    You people have allowed Cashman to condition you into thinking acquiring players like Schierholtz and Keppinger are of note. These are Part-Timer players. Throw some water into your face, hit yourself over the head with a frying pan, stick your finger inna light socket. WAKE UP
    ///

    Which people are you talking about? The pollyannas don’t seem to have been in this morning. Just about everyone else here is bemoaning these paltry options.

    Take this post, for example. Maybe you need a refresher course in irony??:

    austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    The Yankees are in on Schoerholtz a corner OF who has never hit ten homers and had a lifetime OPS of .727.

    Yes, indeed. Excitement is building.

  213. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    “So all the haters who threw Yanks are like rooting for IBM and we buy our championships were right?

    No, they committed to over 100 mm/yr on 4 players and then tell the fans that they have less than 80 million to fill the other 21 spots.

    No one is saying the Yansk shouldn’t become a smarter franchise.
    But not to the extent that they Tank the next 4 years.

    They did not build their farm system early enough to follow this business plan.
    Because they didn’t, they need to spend money to compensate.

  214. Tackelberry December 5th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    I know I’m in the minority here, but I beleive Cashman is doing the right thing. I don’t think emptying the farm for a guy like Headley is the right thing to do. I’m fine with brigning in Keppinger and bringing back Chavez to handle 3rd for this season. Same with Schierholtz. Its to give guys like Adams, Heathcott, Austin and Williams more time to develp cause obviously they are not ready yet. Lets keep these guys ans see what they can do for our team, instead of another team for a change.Yanks are still gonna feield a competitive team for 2013. Some of you are ridiculous with the gloom and doom predictions. Division titles are won in September and pennants in October, not in December.

  215. Triple Short of a Cycle December 5th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    There will always be elite FA looking for a big score and the Yanks will always have the option of getting involved. This year you had a slew of really good OF led by Hamilton, one of the most talented players in the game.

    ——————————————————

    Hamilton is 31 with an injury history. He is far from elite. Outside of Matt Holiday a few years ago where are all these elite OF Free agents?

    Grienke is a number 2 who is looking for number 1 ace elite pitching money. I just don’t see the Yanks being able to land 3 or 4 elite free agents in the future.

  216. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    You are not in the minority.
    Chasing Headley is a bad idea.
    But trading Granderson for a guy like Mike Olt and signing Hamilton is a smart move.

    You get the best of both worlds but you have to abandon the 189mm nonsense to do it.
    Again, they crippled themselves with the ARod + CC + Tex deals.
    You can’t spend the money and then cry to the fans that you have no money.

    Its like someone who buys a BMW but says they have no money for rent.

  217. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 5th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Tackleberry,

    They don’t need to trade for a guy like Headley right now. What happened wiht ARod is unfortunate, but they can fill that need with a guy like Youkilis on a one year deal, even if at a premium, and also sign Chavez as insurance in case Youk gets hurt. They can split at DH and then when ARod comes back (if he indeed does) you have your DH slot filled.

    You don’t waste money on guys like Schierholtz when you have guys like Dickerson who can come in and do the same thing for a lot less. Its a moronic move, end of story.

    If you don’t get a guy like Youk, no prob, get Keppinger and Chavez and then sign Hamilton to a 4 year deal to play LF if he’ll take it. Trade one of Gardner or Granderson and put the other in CF. Dickerson in RF.

    There are a lot of avenues for the Yankees to take instead of bringing in bums like Schierholtz.

  218. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    “Have faith in the Yankees my son.”

    ? Ernest Hemingway, The Old Man and the Sea

  219. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 5th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    brianlopez22,

    I agree completely except on one detail.

    You can spend the money and still have the plan to get down near and under $189 over the next 4 years. What the Yankees cannot do, unfortunately, is compete in 2013 AND try to get to $189 for next season.

    Its one or the other and from what I can tell, they’re leaning towards the ladder.

  220. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 5th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    The Yankees should be getting involved in these “blockbuster” trade discussions for guys like Upton and/or Shields.

    I bet Texas would love to add Granderson to play 81 games in that bandbox. Then they can turn their attention from Hamilton to Greinke.

  221. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    AAA December 5th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Cashman is laying in the weeds ready to strike. Schierholtz would be a great pick up

    ==============================

    It’s come to this? A career 4th OF who doesn’t get on base is viewed as a great pick up….FOR THE YANKEES.
    ///

    The irony here is that Cashman called a guy who hit .300 from both sides of the plate, two years running, a “4th outfielder,” congratulating himself for that prediction because the guy got busted for testosterone use… even though the guy hit .346.

    Meanwhile, he’s courting actual 4th OF types…. and he could have had the guy who is most certainly NOT 4th OF for a relatively modest sum, but flipped him off… Either this man is thoroughly invested in his predetermined biases or he genuinely doesn’t know the difference… either way, he either lacks the maturity and detachment, or the evaluative skills to do his job well.

  222. brianlopez22 December 5th, 2012 at 11:55 am


    You can spend the money and still have the plan to get down near and under $189 over the next 4 years

    After 4 years: CC, Tex, and Jeter are off the books.
    I eagerly await the arrival of Tyler Austin, Masion Williams, Slade Heathcott, and Gary Sanchez.
    I also await 2 of the Jose Ramirez, Ty Hensley, Adam Warren, Manny Banuelos batch to pitch.

    Trading Granderson -15mm
    Signing Hamilton + 20mm
    Signing Cano -14mm +20mm (net +6 mm)
    Signing Hughes -8mm + 13mm (net +5 mm)

    in 2014:
    Mo gone -13 mm
    Andy gone -10 mm
    Kuroda gone -14 mm
    (That’s -37 mm + 16 mm from above = -21 mm)

    in 2016:
    Tex gone -24 mm
    Maybe Jeter gone -15mm

    in 2017:
    CC gone -24mm
    or Jeter gone here -15 mm

    in 2018:
    ARod gone – 30mm

    Now there will be signings in between and extensions and free agent signings.
    But there is A LOT of money coming off the books in the next 5 years.


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