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Wednesday night notes and links: Schierholtz has Yankees offer

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 05, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A few late notes and links from here in Nashville…

• Joel Sherman reports that the Yankees have made a offer to platoon outfielder Nate Schierholtz. He would have to be paired with another outfielder, but he could fill half of the right field opening.

• No surprise that Scott Boras told a mob of reporters today that the Yankees have not had any extension conversations with Robinson Cano.

• Dan Barbarisi talked to someone close to Eric Chavez who said the desire to play close to home was a large part of Chavez’s decision to sign with the Diamondbacks. Chavez lives in Arizona.

• Back in New York, Mariano Rivera refused to say whether he’d like to play beyond 2013. But he did promise an announcement before the start of next season. “I’ll tell you in spring training,” he said. “Spring training is going to be the date.”

• Speaking of back in New York, at a charity appearance tonight, Derek Jeter once again said he expects to be ready for Opening Day.

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436 Responses to “Wednesday night notes and links: Schierholtz has Yankees offer”

  1. Captain Clutch December 5th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Cashman loses another…lol
    ————–

    Jerry Crasnick?@jcrasnick

    Nate Schierholtz has agreed on 1 year deal with Cubs, source says

  2. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    A consortium lead by Jeter would make a great new ownership of the Yankees.

    Then he wouln’t have to be “bemused” anymore.

    :)

  3. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    SO FUNNY.

  4. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Earlier in the day, Yankees president Randy Levine reiterated the organization’s stance on payroll, saying, “the goal here is very, very simple. We believe in 2014 that at $189 million dollars, which will be the highest payroll in baseball, that we can put a really quality championship team on the field. We believe that’s very doable, we believe we can do it. And it’s not that we are looking to save money, it’s not that we’re looking to not be as productive as we can . . . We think it makes us better and smart and that’s what we’re going to try and do.”

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....um=twitter

    I love how they keep say 189 million will be the highest in baseball when it clearly won’t be

  5. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Lol Wtf is going on

  6. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Cashman better have some trades up his sleeve.

  7. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Id rather have Ichiro anyways

  8. CoreyMac December 5th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Thank GOD for the Cubs!

  9. Captain Clutch December 5th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    It looks like the Yanks have to over pay to get free agents to come here. As soon as Cashman mentions the word platoon the player signs with another team.

  10. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Repost:

    Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Earlier in the day, Yankees president Randy Levine reiterated the organization’s stance on payroll, saying, “the goal here is very, very simple. We believe in 2014 that at $189 million dollars, which will be the highest payroll in baseball, that we can put a really quality championship team on the field. We believe that’s very doable, we believe we can do it. And it’s not that we are looking to save money, it’s not that we’re looking to not be as productive as we can . . . We think it makes us better and smart and that’s what we’re going to try and do.”

    Uh the Dodgers would like a word with you on ‘highest payroll in baseball’, also stop lying you slimy weasel you are not doing it as a thought exercise. No one would run some game like this at the worst possible time. “Our desire to be more efficient just happened to coincide with the timing for a revenue sharing rebate system…”

    —————

    Wait.. is this real life?? You mean you didn’t make up that entire first paragraph..????

  11. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    Their payroll cannot even be 189. If they are so serious about it they are not going to risk any incidental costs putting them over. And a dumb team like the phillies, red sox, dodgers, tigers, angels, or rangers could end up with a much higher or just plain higher true payroll

  12. LGY December 5th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    JR SWIIIIISH

  13. LGY December 5th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    thank god

  14. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    The Phillies had to have 2 teams eat like 8 million dollars each in 2011 at the trade deadline for deals in order to get 2 million below the 178 threshold. Good luck, Yankees

  15. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    “Their payroll cannot even be 189. If they are so serious about it they are not going to risk any incidental costs putting them over. And a dumb team like the phillies, red sox, dodgers, tigers, angels, or rangers could end up with a much higher or just plain higher true payroll”

    It’s just spin they are banking on most fans buying

  16. Captain Clutch December 5th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Watch Ichiro sign with another team for little to no money. Then we will hear that the Yanks never even made him an offer.

  17. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Cashman isn’t signing these lowly guys cause he knows he’s getting Hamilton and Headley

  18. LGY December 5th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    We are not looking to save money. Classic line from Levine.

  19. Captain Clutch December 5th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    The play roll will have to be something like $177m so the Yanks should stop throwing the $189 figure out there. A bunch of clowns…

  20. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Captain Clutch says:
    December 5, 2012 at 9:38 pm
    The play roll will have to be something like $177m so the Yanks should stop throwing the $189 figure out there. A bunch of clowns…

    Less than that if Arod hits his homer bonus

  21. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    Trading is the way forward.

    ;)

  22. joeman December 5th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    days of AROD getting 30/100 are gone…

  23. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    I think they think they can just keep going on the reputation and not the facts… just like the team on the field, they think as long as you’re in pinstripes you’re Yankees. If they tell people they’re spending the most money, they’re hoping few people will question it because that’s always how it’s been…..

  24. tomygun14 December 5th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    I’m not really sure what is going to happen now, but I can say that it does appear they are paying for the sins of the past. But when they talk about this “huge savings,” I didn’t think they were talking about 5th starter money – (7 million if we are at 200 million).

    Maybe we can take up a collection so they can afford to fill those stupidly overpriced seats behind home plate, then maybe we could stop being out bid by the Pirates and Cubs and everyone in between!

  25. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    There is no way forward if they spend money. Trades or otherwise.

    Can’t wait for the press conference.

  26. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    If they don’t spend money–correction

  27. Captain Clutch December 5th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    It sounds like Cashman is having a great time at the meetings.

  28. Tar December 5th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    “We believe in 2014 that at $189 million dollars, which will be the highest payroll in baseball, that we can put a really quality championship team on the field.”

    Oh I get it. In 2014 you are going “to put a really quality championship team on the field” But in 2013 you are going to penny pinch and suck eggs. But it’s “not about the Money” is it! What a slime.

  29. joeman December 5th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    tidbit..looks like they will play hockey this year…deal could be done by Friday

  30. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    @jcrasnick: #Rays pursued Schierholtz to the end and finished a close second, source said

  31. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Mac-

    They can spend money for a cost, controlled relatively young player.

    Especially one who fills a major need.

    They will only be able to do that via trade.

    They cannot afford high-priced outlays for FA’s.

    That’s pretty darn obvious.

  32. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    @AndrewMarchand: The Yankee fanbase to Hal: It better work! http://t.co/ICsP5lC9

  33. Captain Clutch December 5th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    I think the only options left for the Yanks are Youk and Ross. But Youk will probably get a 2 year deal maybe from the Indians. Cheap Hal probably can’t afford either player. Sad times.

  34. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS

    If you can believe this (I do), schierholtz turned down a 2-yr deal in $5M range.

  35. comet December 5th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    JF don’t they save more than $7 million with revenue sharing and so on if they stay below $189 million?

    I agree with your comment of last evening that it is naked greed.

    And we are paying mightily for some of the contracts we signed under the old CBA.

    Agree also with Randy’s comments.

    Shame how are you?

  36. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Hal has called an audible on the family legacy and, ultimately, it may result in a smarter, sleeker version of what the Boss’ model of win or destruction. Sensibly, as a businessman, Hal wants to pocket the near $50 million that would come in luxury tax and revenue savings by dropping payroll below $189 million by ’14.

    ——————

    This is where I keep getting confused… is this statement untrue??

    Is the luxury tax savings meager and the revenue savings that are substantial?

  37. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    What’s up comet?! Doing well.. about to watch American Horror Story with one eye closed, but even that wacked out show is less frightening than the Yanks right now.

  38. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Just didn’t think the Knicks would win that one tonight – on to Miami – they are playing house money tomorrow night – second of a back-to-back – Miami should rebound after being beat by the lowly Wizards – - – -

  39. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Till the day I die

    “Have faith in the Yankees my son.”

    ? Ernest Hemingway, The Old Man and the Sea

  40. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    MTU,

    To trade for a good cost controlled player would be very costly. Nova/Hughes alone won’t do it, IMO. I’d do it if the player is good. Just don’t trade for a 35 year old, limited player. I’d rather lose with young guys.

  41. tomingeorgia December 5th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    Hello, comet!

  42. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    JF don’t they save more than $7 million with revenue sharing and so on if they stay below $189 million?

    They would get from the rebate program: 11.35mm in 2014, 17.03mm in 2015, & 22.72mm in 2016. That is 51.1mm total for all three years..

    This amount decreases by 30% if the A’s do not get a new stadium.

  43. blake December 5th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    @ajcbraves: Sounds as if #Braves could trade Teheran or Delgado now or in spring — Fredi G said Wed. it does pitchers no good to have 3rd yr in AAA

  44. 4 NYY December 5th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    No Nate, no Reynolds, no Hannahan.

    Ichiro can add something with his speed and defense and maybe pick up where he left off offensively.

    A J P for 2 yrs.

    Give Adams, Nunez, & Mustelier (sp ) a shot at 3rd & RF platoon in Mustelier’s case.

    Romine to BUC

  45. Howard Cosell December 5th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Wanting to play closer to home? Try this …..

    This was his way of saying – The Yankees are dysfunctional and are not a serious candidate to make the World Series….

    Why deal with the pressure replacing A-Rod when the team is not going to the World Series let alone the possibility of not making the playoffs…

  46. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Current $210M
    New $170
    Luxury tax savings$7M

    They save $47M. That’s the only way I get there.

  47. ac1 December 5th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    So now even Nate S is taking less money to go somewhere else?
    I think Cashman has created an environment where nobody wants to come to play here now because of this ‘we can’t spend’ crap…..

    Time to concede and just let the rookies play.

  48. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Hal wants to pocket the near $50 million that would come in luxury tax and revenue savings by dropping payroll below $189 million by ’14.

    Its not 50 million per year. Unless you are also throwing in savings from player contracts, which is a savings they could have made at any time. They pay like 10-20 million in luxury tax each year. So if you included the 6 million rebates+20 million luxury tax+30 million in payroll they had to cut to get there, then I guess they could save 50 million. But it is a really dishonest way of saying, “The Yankees decided to be cheap” by implying it is a special thing they are doing.

  49. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Mac-

    the FA’s are simply not available. Prices are sky high.

    Costly ? well yes to a certain extent. But not totally.

    We have areas of excess which we can and should use in these circumstances.

    I believe we could put together a very attractive package w/o hurting ourselves for the future.

    For instance, I think we should be very serious about acquiring Cabrera if that would enable us to get Upton.

    It might take 3 guys.

    The only other options are to go with the kids wherever possible.

    Or to to just fade away.

    I prefer the trade route.

    Hope Cashman can pull a good one out. We need it.

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    “I’m a finance geek,” Hal said in spring training 2011. “I guess I always have been. That’s my background; budgets matter and balance sheets matter. I just feel that if you do well on the player development side and you have a good farm system, you don’t need a $220 million payroll. You can field every bit as good a team with young talent.”

    ////

    Um, what young talent would that be?

  51. jacksquat December 5th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Ha ha, can’t even get Schierholtz. Pathetic. Did Hal send Cash to the Winter Meetings with enough money to buy food? Should we start a collection?

    My lineup with Nunie and 3 rookies is starting to look good.

  52. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Hal wants to pocket the near $50 million that would come in luxury tax and revenue savings by dropping payroll below $189 million by ’14.

    Its not 50 million per year. Unless you are also throwing in savings from player contracts, which is a savings they could have made at any time. They pay like 10-20 million in luxury tax each year. So if you included the 6 million rebates+20 million luxury tax+30 million in payroll they had to cut to get there, then I guess they could save 50 million. But it is a really dishonest way of saying, “The Yankees decided to be cheap” by implying it is a special thing they are doing.

    —————-

    Gotcha… wow… the more I learn about it, the more annoyed I get. It’s like watching an interview with Nicki Minaj.

  53. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    Yankees were just 21st in MLB in SO in 2012. RT @TarYank6 he does hit lots of homers and K a lot though which they like
    View conversation

    31m Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    I really don’t believe the plan is to sign Mark Reynolds. Doesn’t fit the Yankees MO to sign a 3B who plays very little defense.

  54. Ys Guy December 5th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    i just cant get all torqued up about the yankees missing out on guys like the great jeff keppinger, nate shierholz (is that the guy’s name?) and the rotting corpse of kevin yokilis. even chavez and ichiro…these guys are marginal players. they will probably do better with nunez and dickerson as any of these guys. with no cost.

    i think there’s a big trade out there to be had and i’d love to see chase headley or even justin upton in yankees camp next year but not at any cost.

    theres alot of people on here freakin about nobodies, imo.

  55. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    “I’m a finance geek,” Hal said in spring training 2011. “I guess I always have been. That’s my background; budgets matter and balance sheets matter. I just feel that if you do well on the player development side and you have a good farm system, you don’t need a $220 million payroll. You can field every bit as good a team with young talent.”

    “I really believe in Cashman’s scouting & development, we have some guys on the farm,” Hal continued, peeking down at a hastily scrawled sheet of names he kept in his pocket,”Tyler Austin, Gary Sanchez, Sled Heathcork, these guys can help us by providing talent for a cheaper price. That is why we’re going to sensibly approach this budget when the time is right, and not force it.”

  56. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Something doesn’t seem right with the way all this is going down…..now it’s one thing to go for cheaper options to save money….it’s another to let all the cheaper options sign elsewhere and leave gaping holes in the roster at multiple positions.

    So either one of two things is happeing….1) the Yanks were just asleep at the wheel or didn’t work hard enough to sign some of these guys ….or 2) they have their eyes set on bigger fish and are working towards that.

    Hal may be a number cruncher but he ain’t dumb….you can feel the backlash growing and if the playoff apathy was any indication then it’s going to get significantly worse if they don’t do something to improve this roster and energize the fan base.

    The fact they they didn’t even make an offer to Chavez is pretty curious …..the tea leaves tell me they are going to do something to help this team.

    Maybe I’m wrong….but I hope not

  57. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Rather see a Nix/Adams platoon at third than stick Reynolds over there.

  58. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PziOfL29rOo

  59. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    jacksquat December 5th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Ha ha, can’t even get Schierholtz. Pathetic. Did Hal send Cash to the Winter Meetings with enough money to buy food? Should we start a collection?

    ——————

    I was wondering what his per diem was…

  60. comet December 5th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    If the product on the field is as bad as it might be, they could lose a million fans in the seats by 2015. Just using the $39 figure someone threw out here that’s $39 million. I know they don’t get all the gate money but the fourth or fifth place Yankees coming to town will not draw like they do now either. I remember reading that in the late 60′s they had to pay radio stations to carry their games. Going cheap at this particular time could cost more than it saves. I think Face has made that point very well.

    Hey there Tom, good to see you.

    Doing well Shame.

    Hey there MTU!

  61. Ys Guy December 5th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    please, spare me the mark reynolds crap, too. he’s curtis granderson on his worst day. just the kind of guy the yankees used to overvalue and throw money at just because they had a good season vs. the yanks. we’re all full up on homer or whiff guys, thank you!

  62. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    I believe they will too Blake but I don’t think it will be a direct cash outlay to Hamilton.

    I think they could still pull off a signifcant trade.

    That’s why I say that’s the way forward.

    If that doesn’t happen it’s either the kids, or total retreads.

    I’m holding out for that trade or two.

  63. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    The Yankees focused for several years on getting young pitching. That failure has killed the plan. It necessitated Kuroda and Pettitte.

    I admire anyone who still expects a good player to be added. I see and hear of nothing that suggests that.

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Sled Heathcork,
    ///

    lol
    ///

    blake, they are blowing out the farm on something shiny.

  65. Ghostwriter December 5th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Captain Clutch December 5th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    I think the only options left for the Yanks are Youk and Ross. But Youk will probably get a 2 year deal maybe from the Indians. Cheap Hal probably can’t afford either player. Sad times.
    ==================

    Oy. Youk hit .235 each of the last two seasons. I don’t think that a 2-year deal is in the cards for him.

    Second, it’s really pretty ridiculous to be calling Hal cheap, when the Yanks have the highest payroll in the big leagues. The Yanks are in their current situation, because they overpaid on a number of salaries. And where exactly did that get them? Now, I suppose that Cashman is supposed fix the problem by throwing tens of millions of dollars at platoon players and has-beens? At this stage, I’d rather see Cashman give a couple of the kids a chance, rather than throwing money at Youkilis or Reynolds.

  66. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Greetings Comet.

    Hope you’re staying warm.

    :)

  67. jmills December 5th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Hi guys, it aint over, get Kate Smith to sing at a Flyer’s game :)

  68. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    People are tired of the truth, but it all goes back to mismanaging Joba Chamberlain…

    The vain search for what they had too little patience to find out if he could become, has cost and cost and cost…

  69. Ghostwriter December 5th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    Ys Guy December 5th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    please, spare me the mark reynolds crap, too. he’s curtis granderson on his worst day. just the kind of guy the yankees used to overvalue and throw money at just because they had a good season vs. the yanks. we’re all full up on homer or whiff guys, thank you!
    =======

    Well said.

  70. Tar December 5th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    “Hal may be a number cruncher but he ain’t dumb”

    How do we know this?

  71. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Dodgers, in addition to talking to free-agent pitchers, also have spoken to #Rays about starters and #Mets about Dickey.

  72. chicken little December 5th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    I just keep telling myself — the yanks decided to spend like crazy during the offseason between 92 and 93 … until bonds, maddux, and cone (among others) burst the bubble and signed elsewhere. who were the yanks big pickups that year? o’neill and key. maybe this offseason cheapie yankees wiff on all their marginal targets, get stuck with really marginal players and together they end up better than the marginal crap the yanks wiffed on. then i realize that o’neill and key were actually good players and its safe to believe that marginal players worse than shieholtz at most may each hit 5 homers.

  73. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    blake – I’m also hoping for a trade…. but it scares the hell out of me because the best guys in our system are young and not ready, so it’s pretty likely we’ll have to give up more than other clubs..

  74. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    JAP-

    Not all of it.

    Just some.

    And a guy like Upton isn’t just soemthing shiny.

    That would be the type of guy I’d expect them to get if they used valuable Farm pieces.

    Anything of a lower quality would indeed be a waste.

    I don’t think that’s gonna happen. It’s gonna be quality for quality.

    Or nothing.

    Just my two cent’er.

  75. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    YsGuy,

    These players are nobodies. The problem is the Yankees wanted them and couldn’t get them. They will now look lower on the player food chain.

    There is not one pundit that remotely suggest the Yankees will make a deal. Stealth Cashman didn’t come. Yogi Cashman came with renewed serenity and patience.

  76. Chip December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    Well, at least fans don’t have to be upset at the thought of Schierholtz as the Yanks rfer

  77. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    jmills December 5th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Hi guys, it aint over, get Kate Smith to sing at a Flyer’s game :)
    ///

    mr. mills :D

    You’re lucky you missed the 80′s, when they had Norm Barnes’ wife, Sid Barnes, occasionally provide “live” anthem singing in the Spectrum… she is legendary for being excruciating… Sid Barnes singing the National Anthem…. unbearable.

  78. jmills December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    Alfred,…get off my blog! :)

  79. Tar December 5th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    You are not paying attention if you think people are pissed off because the Yankees didn’t over-pay for Keppinger.

  80. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources tell me and @jonmorosi that #Royals may be at critical stage in decision on whether to trade Myers for an SP such as #Rays’ Shields.

  81. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Shame-

    I do not think you are correctly assessing what we might be able offer.

    It does not have to be all MiLB type guys. Likely wouldn’t be.

    ;)

  82. Ys Guy December 5th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    “LGY December 5th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    The Yankees biggest need heading into this offseason was upgrading the offense.

    So far they’ve lost their starting C, RF”
    =========================================
    so where are the best potential positions they can improve offensively? C and RF.

    so things are going well!

  83. Mike in Harrisburg December 5th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    Mildly interesting mental exercise to ponder who a guy like Montero could have garnered this off-season.

  84. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    MTU December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    JAP-

    Not all of it.

    Just some.

    And a guy like Upton isn’t just soemthing shiny.
    ///

    Well, I don’t care about all of it. Just the elite pieces. Yeah, I’m well acquainted with Upton. I’m not putting Gary Sanchez in any package, not even for Upton.

  85. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    Chip December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    Well, at least fans don’t have to be upset at the thought of Schierholtz as the Yanks rfer

    ——————-

    Lol, yes the thought of a phantom limb in RF is a lot more comforting :)

    But yet.. yeah.. you’re still right!

    I don’t even know how to hate the Yankees right now.. I think I’m starting to crack up.

  86. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    Ghostwriter,

    Read the last year of suggestions as to how the Yankees could have tried to deal with this situation before it became critical. That’s the problem. Either spend or use some foresight and plan ahead. Currently, the plan is to have as few of players as possible signed in 2014. I think that is idiocy. The players are going to be cheaper then when the teams get the new TV money?

  87. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    JAP-

    So you hold him back.

    There are others.

    Doesn’t have to be him.

  88. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Second, it’s really pretty ridiculous to be calling Hal cheap, when the Yanks have the highest payroll in the big leagues.

    They have by far the highest revenues in the game. Putting it this way, their payroll advantage over the rest of baseball is much smaller than their revenue advantage over the rest of baseball.

    Spare me any defense of calling HAL cheap. They are acting cheap. It is cheap for a millionaire to not treat his poor ass friends when they come over to dinner. We are those poor ass friends.

  89. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    MTU December 5th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Shame-

    I do not think you are correctly assessing what we might be able offer.

    It does not have to be all MiLB type guys. Likely wouldn’t be.

    ;)

    ——————–

    I know it won’t be but that’s the thing, dealing from the MLB roster opens a hole!

    If we deal Hughes, Grandy or Gardner from the ML roster for something we need, that’s great.. but you’re moving more players (them and the future guys) and possibly having another hole to fill.. ending up back at square one depending on the return.

  90. jacksquat December 5th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    George would have signed Hamilton and Greinke by now.

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    jmills December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    Alfred,…get off my blog! :)
    ///

    :) Looks like we’re getting the pucks back shortly. Any up and coming Leafs you want to brag about?

  92. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    It is cheap for a millionaire to not treat his poor ass friends when they come over to dinner. We are those poor ass friends.

    ****

    Sorry – that’s asking for a handout – and that is not what I want as a friend. As a paying customer is it cheap if the restaurant lapses on certain services – yes – but I do not agree with that analogy.

  93. Ys Guy December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    “comet December 5th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    If the product on the field is as bad as it might be, they could lose a million fans in the seats by 2015.”
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………

    personally i think the fanbase could use a little culling. and while the yankees hate it, i actually like some empty seats in the park as im tall and i like to hang my legs over the seat in front of me.
    ….i guess i got spoiled going to all those games in the 70′s, 80′s and early 90′s (when you could buy opening day tickets at the ticket booth ouside the REAL Yankee Stadium…

  94. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg December 5th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    Mildly interesting mental exercise to ponder who a guy like Montero could have garnered this off-season.

    ————————

    *sigh*

  95. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    Or it is like going to a movie and they have cheap special effects – - – -

  96. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    At this point I would rather watch a Trenton game next year. I wish I could.

  97. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    Sorry – that’s asking for a handout – and that is not what I want as a friend. As a paying customer is it cheap if the restaurant lapses on certain services – yes – but I do not agree with that analogy.

    Agree with it if us poor ass friends treat when the Millionaire comes to our house, that just isn’t as often. Millionaire wants to have less get togethers at his place, because he wants to pocket more money. F millionaires.

  98. Ghostwriter December 5th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    ===================

    They signed alot of stupid contracts, because they were trying to get the old man one last WS trophy. Now, they are tightening their belts. If you want to be angry with Cashman, be angry that he traded away Montero and re-upped Girardi. But it’s hard to blame the man for not falling over himself to sign every retread or over-valued player to hit the market.

  99. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    ..if it’s free, it’s me!

    I’d take a free meal from Hal any day of the week! Lobster and steak and I wouldn’t even put out at the end of the night!!

  100. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    “personally i think the fanbase could use a little culling”

    That’s the last thing the owner of a team wants

  101. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    Shame-

    I would not plan on creating holes.

    My object would be to fill them.

    We can do that. Trade w/o creating holes.

    We would offer a PACKAGE of talent. All would be deemed expendable.

    The ML as well as the MiLB portions.

  102. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    He’s got enough money to hire a call girl.

  103. LGY December 5th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
    jacksquat December 5th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Ha ha, can’t even get Schierholtz. Pathetic. Did Hal send Cash to the Winter Meetings with enough money to buy food? Should we start a collection?

    ——————

    I was wondering what his per diem was…

    ———

    Didn’t Cash fly coach to Nashville?

  104. jmills December 5th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    ” Leafs to brag about.”- yeah I’ve got Johnny Bower and Terry Sawchuk and Kennedy too! What have toi?

  105. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    I just dunno where we could deal from where we won’t create a hole besides the pen..

  106. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    MTU December 5th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    JAP-

    So you hold him back.

    There are others.

    Doesn’t have to be him.
    ///

    The thing is MTU, I have no belief in Brian Cashman any more. I think we need brand new leadership. This guy and his group are poor self scouts. That means they can be reckless. I will close my eyes and hope that when I open them, Sanchez is still in the system. I don’t really want to give up Mason Williams, either. I do think a trade is in the works, however.

  107. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
    Sorry – that’s asking for a handout – and that is not what I want as a friend. As a paying customer is it cheap if the restaurant lapses on certain services – yes – but I do not agree with that analogy.

    Agree with it if us poor ass friends treat when the Millionaire comes to our house, that just isn’t as often. Millionaire wants to have less get togethers at his place, because he wants to pocket more money. F millionaires.

    *****

    Pay your own freaking way for dinner – regardless of where it is or who it is- or make your own millions – - –

    Now – as I have mentioned – if you want to equate it to going to a movie and paying for it – and then they have special effects and you are disappointed b/c they went cheap on that part of the movie because some movie studio suit wanted to sauve some money – that is more relevant to this situation – - – -

  108. Ghostwriter December 5th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Second, it’s really pretty ridiculous to be calling Hal cheap, when the Yanks have the highest payroll in the big leagues.

    They have by far the highest revenues in the game. Putting it this way, their payroll advantage over the rest of baseball is much smaller than their revenue advantage over the rest of baseball.

    Spare me any defense of calling HAL cheap. They are acting cheap. It is cheap for a millionaire to not treat his poor ass friends when they come over to dinner. We are those poor ass friends.
    ============================

    Oh please. Yes, they have the highest revenues; they probably also have the highest expenses, as well. Why don’t you take your hands out of Hal’s pockets, and stop trying to spend his money?

  109. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    eeerrrr sauve – errrr suave – - -errrr save – - –

  110. Tar December 5th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    “But it’s hard to blame the man for not falling over himself to sign every retread or over-valued player to hit the market.”

    Again you haven’t been paying attention if you think that is whats been discussed here for a good year now. Actually the opposite of re-treads is what most here want.

  111. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Mac-

    If the holes in the O are not addressed in a meaningful way I’ll join you.

    I do not want to spend my time watching a 3rd or 4th place team.

    I’m waiting, watching, and hoping.

    When the roster in ST is set then I can make my decision.

    ;)

  112. yankeefeminista December 5th, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    Cash took Greyhound to Nashville. That’s why he got there late.

  113. oak2455 December 5th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    Paul Severino ?@SeverinoMLB
    With Schierholtz going to #Cubs, the #Yankees lose another reported target. Pretty soon all that will be left – Hamilton & Greinke.
    Retweeted by Jon Heyman

  114. Ghostwriter December 5th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    “Spare me any defense of calling HAL cheap. They are acting cheap. It is cheap for a millionaire to not treat his poor ass friends when they come over to dinner. We are those poor ass friends.”

    =============

    It’s more like a rich guy that invites his poor ass friends to dinner, buys them steaks for all of them, and they call him cheap, because he didn’t also buy them caviar and Dom Perrignon.

  115. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    “Oh please. Yes, they have the highest revenues; they probably also have the highest expenses, as well. Why don’t you take your hands out of Hal’s pockets, and stop trying to spend his money?”

    Maybe the fans should be more thrifty with how they spend their money on the team as well…..

  116. yankeefeminista December 5th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    I would rather watch a 3rd place team with a future, then a first place team without one. If we make trades, they had better be smart ones.

  117. LGY December 5th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    That’s a joke? Cash did not take the bus, right?

  118. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    @BenBadler: If the Rays can really get Wil Myers for James Shields, I would do that immediately.

  119. Ys Guy December 5th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    move the fence in the RF power alley back 25 feet (and make if 5 ft taller), tex, granderson, etc start hitting from power alley to power alley and the offense is fixed.

    so is phil hughes.

    now the biggest problem is where to diplay next year’s trophy…

  120. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    JAP-

    It does not have to be Mason either.

    But we do have Heathcott so if it’s Mason I’ll have to deal with that.

    I’d prefer it were Slade because I do not think he’ll stay healthy.

    Perhaps, you get your wish and no deal will be made.

    Have a good evening. It’s an Old man’s bedtime and tomorrow is a hike day.

    :)

  121. pkyankfan69 December 5th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Cash has been learning to repel the past few years because the Yanks plan on not running the elevators anymore to save on the electric bill… Walking down stairs is for suckers.

  122. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Oh please. Yes, they have the highest revenues; they probably also have the highest expenses, as well. Why don’t you take your hands out of Hal’s pockets, and stop trying to spend his money?

    It doesn’t matter if they have the highest expenses in a single figure. What are their expenses as a percentage of revenue? That is more important, and I am betting you right now it is less than the rest of baseball.

    Sweet heart TV deal
    Part ownership of their own RSN
    Sweet heart Stadium Deal
    Revenue sharing deductions from their stadium
    1 dollar rent on their stadium
    Incredibly cheap bonds that the tax payers of NY paid for
    2nd or 3rd highest ticket prices in the game
    Highest priced concessions in the game, oh also they own a stake in their concession vendor

    Where are all the expenses? They spend less % of revenue on payroll than any other team. How much more can they be expensing? They fleeced NY on the new stadium. Steinbrenner bought the Yankees for faaaaaaaaaaaaaar less than they are worth now. WHAT EXPENSES?

    I will go elbow deep in HAL’s pocket if given the chance. HAL is part owner of a billion dollar franchise. F him. F billionaires. F millionaires. I’m a fan, spend the money on the team.

  123. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Ghostwriter December 5th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    “Spare me any defense of calling HAL cheap. They are acting cheap. It is cheap for a millionaire to not treat his poor ass friends when they come over to dinner. We are those poor ass friends.”

    =============

    It’s more like a rich guy that invites his poor ass friends to dinner, buys them steaks for all of them, and they call him cheap, because he didn’t also buy them caviar and Dom Perrignon.

    —————————

    This would only work if we weren’t already paying to get inside Hal’s house to get a seat at the table…

  124. jmills December 5th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Stone, everybody needs more suave saves!

  125. LGY December 5th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    How about this one?

    Rich friend takes his broke friends to the steakhouse every year since he has been rich. This year when he takes them to the steakhouse he tells them it’s better and smarter to order a cheeseburger.

  126. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Ghostwriter,

    The Yankees have said they have no third baseman or right fielder. They claim to have a catcher.

    We’re not talking about a desire for an all star at every position, but a major league capable player would be nice.

    If they don’t watch more bad, long contracts deal Cano and Granderson. Don’t let them walk as you did Swisher for a supplemental draft pick. Many of us suggested last year a Beltran contract and then trading Swisher for youth. No, that was too complicated.

    It didn’t have to get here.

  127. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    What’s more ridiculous that ‘wanting to spend Hal’s money’ is people asking fans to not act like fans and desire something less than the best product on the field.

    Right now, this team is not better than the 2012 club. That, is 100% inarguable.

    Now, there is still time for them to change that, but the problem is all of the evidence is kinda showing us they probably will be a worse team than they were last year.

    We shall see….

  128. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Millions of poor ass friends host HAL, alone, once a year at their homes where they treat HAL to 30-1200 dollar meals. HAL collects millions of dollars in meals, then cuts his 10 course thank you dinner down to 6 courses. And a few of those courses are some really aged lobsters.

  129. Ghostwriter December 5th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Tar December 5th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    “But it’s hard to blame the man for not falling over himself to sign every retread or over-valued player to hit the market.”

    Again you haven’t been paying attention if you think that is whats been discussed here for a good year now. Actually the opposite of re-treads is what most here want.
    ============

    I have been paying attention, thank you very much. Yes, they want every superstar to hit the market every year, and because Cashman wasn’t willing to pay peak prices for these guys, they now want him to give $40 million to a catcher with so-so defense and a .200 BA, get into a bidding war over Keppinger and Schierholtz. I, for one, am glad that Cashman isn’t out there trying to spend money just for the sake of spending money.

  130. MTU December 5th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    YF-

    That’s what I’m advocating.

    Smart trades. Good trades.

    You ought to know that’s what I mean.

    I think you know the caliber of player I seek.

    ;)

  131. Tar December 5th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    “Oh please. Yes, they have the highest revenues; they probably also have the highest expenses, as well. ”

    Yeah like the best scouting and coaching in baseball. Oh wait

  132. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Cashman may be leaving Nashville on a rail.

  133. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    LGY December 5th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    That’s a joke? Cash did not take the bus, right?

    ———————-

    He actually hitched a ride… very On the Road..

  134. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    jmills December 5th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    ” Leafs to brag about.”- yeah I’ve got Johnny Bower and Terry Sawchuk and Kennedy too! What have toi?
    ///

    LOL.

    We’ve got a QMJHL defenseman named Despres who I’m excited about. Another young blueliner, Morrow, whose very talented. Both move the puck extremely well, good at transition game. Hoping the lockout did Sid some good: got an extra couple months of no contact.

  135. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    How about this one?

    Rich friend takes his broke friends to the steakhouse every year since he has been rich. This year when he takes them to the steakhouse he tells them it’s better and smarter to order a cheeseburger.

    ********

    No – b/c I would tell broke friends to save some money – evaluate your finances why your broke – why have you been broke for years – why can’t you make something of yourself – why are you depending on others to pay for your meals – why can’t you pay your own way – when did you lose your manhood and respect for yourself – when did you sell your pride – when did your *&^^* get cut off – - – -

  136. LGY December 5th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Maybe cheap isn’t the best way to describe Hal.

    Let’s just stick with greedy.

  137. comet December 5th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    LGY that’s a great analogy!

  138. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Oh and the Country Club HAL is a part of has decided to give everyone more dividends each year to pay for extra courses. HAL has pocketed it, so now we don’t even get chicken enchilidito appetizers.

  139. Ghostwriter December 5th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    “Oh please. Yes, they have the highest revenues; they probably also have the highest expenses, as well. Why don’t you take your hands out of Hal’s pockets, and stop trying to spend his money?”

    Maybe the fans should be more thrifty with how they spend their money on the team as well…..
    ==============

    That also would make sense.

  140. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Fans are consumers….they aren’t Hals friends…..produce a product fans like or they don’t have to buy the product.

  141. LGY December 5th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Stoneburner

    You burning something else to tonight? What are you talking about man?

  142. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    MTU,

    For the record, I am pro good and smart trades, but anti bad and stupid trades. :)

  143. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    No – b/c I would tell broke friends to save some money – evaluate your finances why your broke – why have you been broke for years – why can’t you make something of yourself – why are you depending on others to pay for your meals – why can’t you pay your own way – when did you lose your manhood and respect for yourself – when did you sell your pride – when did your *&^^* get cut off – – – -

    You’re way too focused on the idea of this free lunch, the fans cannot bootstrap their way to a better team.

  144. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    We also discussed them signing Beltran and possibly moving Grandy instead of Swish while Grandy’s value was at an absolute peak. His 2011 was insane. With two reasonable years left on his deal, he would have brought back a good haul.

    But I forgot.. we had nowhere to play Beltran.

  145. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    I will go along with a bunch of things – but equating the Yankees with their fans as a welfare state – no – they are an entertainment company – we all are customers – - – -

  146. jmills December 5th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Alfred, as it pertains to Sid the non vicious one ( so they say ), yup.

  147. Tar December 5th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    WHo the heck wants a 40 mil dollar BUC Oh wait :D

  148. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Stoneburner, it is not about a welfare state, but about the idea that rich people can spend lots of money and still be cheap. They have more of it to spend, so of course they can spend more as a raw amount, but if you are a billionaire and you’re literally just sitting on a pile of gold like Smaug you’re CHEAP.

    Cheap is a state of mind. It isn’t necessarily about the money you spend.

  149. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    You’re way too focused on the idea of this free lunch, the fans cannot bootstrap their way to a better team.

    ******

    Perhaps – but it is an entertainment operation – baseball just happens to be a reality form of entertainment. Again – it is like being short changed on a movie – I see somewhat similarities between the way Yankees fans are reacting and the way Star Wars fans revolted against Lucas – - – -

  150. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    yankeefeminista December 5th, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    Cash took Greyhound to Nashville. That’s why he got there late.
    ///

    And when he goes to dinner with other GMs and with agents, he’s perfected slipping off into the men’s room just as the bill is arriving…

  151. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    How about this one?

    Rich friend takes his broke friends to the steakhouse every year since he has been rich. This year when he takes them to the steakhouse he tells them it’s better and smarter to order a cheeseburger.

    ********

    No – b/c I would tell broke friends to save some money – evaluate your finances why your broke – why have you been broke for years – why can’t you make something of yourself – why are you depending on others to pay for your meals – why can’t you pay your own way – when did you lose your manhood and respect for yourself – when did you sell your pride – when did your *&^^* get cut off – – – -

    —————

    What the eff??

    What does Hal give us…? Is the the whole ‘be thankful for the Yankees’ thing again? Are the Yankees saving babies?? Were they spending 200 million dollars because they have heartbeats? Or were they doing it because they could and still make a disgusting profit??

    Lets get real.. the Yankees didn’t JUST start being a business. They made money before, they will continue to make a boat ton of money.. what this is about is them wanting to make more of it. And that is 100% their right just as much as it is our right to complain about it.

  152. Bronx Jeers December 5th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    Yeah our version of Team Greedy really doesn’t stand a chance against the Team Greedy Mothership of Hank & Hal found at the other end of the spectrum. :sad:

  153. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    Wake me up when the Yankees start saving babies… until then, I’d just rather them win baseball games all the time in all the years.

  154. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    If I like a restaurant and they suddenly stop preparing food to my liking then I’ll just go to another restaurant and it’s up to the owner to win my business back….I’m not emotionally attached to the restaurant …I’ll just go to another.

    Sports owners exploit the emotional attachment their fans have…..because real fans won’t jump ship and find a new restaurant …this is what Hal is banking on….

  155. Pat M. December 5th, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Not signing Matt Holiday three years ago was the start of the new appraoch in my mind….Then there was the Chapman pass and of course last winter when they decised to pass on The Cuban Outfielders and Darvish…….

  156. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Holliday would have been great. Probably would have saved AUstin Jackson too.

  157. Ghostwriter December 5th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    I will go elbow deep in HAL’s pocket if given the chance. HAL is part owner of a billion dollar franchise. F him. F billionaires. F millionaires. I’m a fan, spend the money on the team.
    ==================

    It’s too bad for you that you can’t actually reach in his pockets or F him. Boohoo. :(

  158. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Ghostwriter December 5th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Tar December 5th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    “But it’s hard to blame the man for not falling over himself to sign every retread or over-valued player to hit the market.”

    Again you haven’t been paying attention if you think that is whats been discussed here for a good year now. Actually the opposite of re-treads is what most here want.
    ============

    I have been paying attention, thank you very much. Yes, they want every superstar to hit the market every year, and because Cashman wasn’t willing to pay peak prices for these guys, they now want him to give $40 million to a catcher with so-so defense and a .200 BA, get into a bidding war over Keppinger and Schierholtz. I, for one, am glad that Cashman isn’t out there trying to spend money just for the sake of spending money.

    ———————-

    Cashman hasn’t been doing anything really besides signing hos own guys back. When happens next season when those three pitchers all hang it up and Hughes either has a bad season and walks or has a great season and wants 5 for 60-70.

  159. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Team Greedy’s main priority is to win ALL the games.

    Team Greedy is about wanting to be great.

    Team Greedy is about wanting to not just win.. but win so good, so often that other teams weep when your team’s plane lands. Other team’s GM have permanent eye-roll face from your ability to get ALL the players you want and need.

    Team Greedy is about winning.. with swagger.

  160. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    I’m a fan, spend the money on the team.

    —————
    That’s what his dad did

  161. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    “Not signing Matt Holiday three years ago was the start of the new appraoch in my mind….Then there was the Chapman pass and of course last winter when they decised to pass on The Cuban Outfielders and Darvish…….”

    Yup….he was there , the Yanks had an opening….he wanted to come….and they passed

  162. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    What the eff??

    What does Hal give us…? Is the the whole ‘be thankful for the Yankees’ thing again? Are the Yankees saving babies?? Were they spending 200 million dollars because they have heartbeats? Or were they doing it because they could and still make a disgusting profit??

    Lets get real.. the Yankees didn’t JUST start being a business. They made money before, they will continue to make a boat ton of money.. what this is about is them wanting to make more of it. And that is 100% their right just as much as it is our right to complain about it.

    *******

    First – take a deep breath.

    Second – the point of my post was that fans should not view themselves as deadbeats waiting for a handout. You are paying customers to a form of entertainment. If you do not like the product – then stop using or watching it – - – -

  163. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    his not hos

  164. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    And I hate to associate any aspect of Team Greedy with Hal.. Hal’s greed is personal, Team Greedy’s is altruistic.. we want to win for ALL the Yankee fans, so we can bring them joy :D

  165. jmills December 5th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Watch out, New York!, Leafs and Borje Salming are real this time. ( Mike Palmateer too! ) :)

  166. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    Have a good evening. It’s an Old man’s bedtime and tomorrow is a hike day.

    :)
    ///

    Enjoy the view, MTU

  167. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    I’m not emotionally attached to the restaurant

    *****

    That’s your choice – no one forced that on you – but in the end – this is just a form of entertainment.

  168. chicken little December 5th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    The way prices are going, Hughes can go 10-15 next year and still get 60 million over 4 years next offseason. Way too rich for Hal.

  169. Ghostwriter December 5th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    Pat M. December 5th, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Not signing Matt Holiday three years ago was the start of the new appraoch in my mind….Then there was the Chapman pass and of course last winter when they decised to pass on The Cuban Outfielders and Darvish…….
    ===================

    It seems to me that three years ago was the beginning to returning to normal, and that the years leading up to 2010 (say, 2005 – 2010) were the aberration. The Yanks weren’t always spendthrifts, not even under the old man.

  170. CoreyMac December 5th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    Everyone panics…. This free agent class was weak before it began. Everyone knew Swisher was leaving, ibanez and Suzuki are old, Chavez is injury prone and Russell Martin has become a .220 hitter. There’s risks in any signing, and bringing back any of those guys makes about zero sense based on age and or dollars. We all knew Greinke wasn’t happening, and Hamilton as well. I don’t know what people are clamping about….Cashman will put a solid team on the field. I believe all signs to his silence at these winter meetings = working on trades, not free agents. Dan Haren would have been nice on a 1 year deal for the back of the rotation though…if there’s one thing he missed out on this week it was definitely him IMO. I fully expect Granderson traded by Xmas and possibly Nova or Hughes too. There’s not enough to pick from on the FA market to platoon RF AND 3B. Be patient grasshoppers. It’s December 5th, not February 5th…..

  171. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    but in the end – this is just a form of entertainment.

    Too simplistic, demeans the importance of sport & culture. Ignores too much. Bad argument.

  172. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    “The day I don’t want to win for New York, that’s the day I better get the hell out of the business.” – George Steinbrenner

  173. Tar December 5th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Ghost

    Seriously I could care less about Keppinger or Napoli or Scutaro etc…

    Now talk about Cespedes or some of the other international signings. Or not trying to lock up a Cano early but making Martin a stupid early offer. Then not making Martin an offer when you have nobody at all ready to step in. Or hastily trading away your best trade chip in decades for damaged goods or calling Nunez a SS or bust. Or a ton of other reasons, but this is not about Keppinger, at least for me.

  174. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    jmills,

    Palmateer’s pregame meal was popcorn, which he would then promptly vomit up. Goalies :roll:

  175. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    “I want to sincerely apologize to the people of New York and to the fans of the New York Yankees everywhere for the performance of the Yankee team in the World Series. I also want to assure you that we will be at work immediately to prepare for 1982.” – George Steinbrenner (After the Yankees lost the 1981 Series to the L.A. Dodgers)

  176. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Sports owners exploit the emotional attachment their fans have…..because real fans won’t jump ship and find a new restaurant …this is what Hal is banking on….

    ******

    Again – you are the one in control of your emotions – - – - if there is one thing I will SAY tonight – Yankees Fans are not victims or exploited victims – - – -

  177. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    It seems to me that three years ago was the beginning to returning to normal, and that the years leading up to 2010 (say, 2005 – 2010) were the aberration. The Yanks weren’t always spendthrifts, not even under the old man.

    Its not returning to normal if revenues are increasing. Its returning to being cheap. Wipe the gold flakes off ya mouth.

  178. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    “Baseball is not just a sport anymore; we are a business. We are show business. To compete for the entertainment dollar, particularly in New York, you have to have more than nine guys playing baseball; you have to have an attraction. And I have tried to do the best job I possibly can to give my fans an attraction.” – George Steinbrenner

  179. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Cashman will put a solid team on the field

    ——————-

    With players not as good as the guys they are replacing?

  180. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    “I haven’t always done a good job, and I haven’t always been successful. But I know that I have tried.” – George Steinbrenner

  181. Melkmanisinhotlanta December 5th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    Arod will retire in 2014. Pathetic the NYY are on the hook for 5 years for this fraud.

  182. blake December 5th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    I do think it’s interesting (and I’ve been waiting for this) how the reporters and writers would react when they finally realized this budget was for real…..many of them have been in denial about it for a long time…..and they almost seem mad about it…..

    It’s funny because they used to complain and moan that the Yankees were ruining the game by spending to much…..now it seems they don’t like either……

    Basically they just don’t like the Yankess it seems

  183. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    First – take a deep breath.

    ————–

    How do you know how fast I’m saying it…?

    :D

  184. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
    but in the end – this is just a form of entertainment.

    Too simplistic, demeans the importance of sport & culture. Ignores too much. Bad argument.

    *****

    But it is – you yourself are the one that decides to give it the level of importance. If anything – sports has become to important – the fact that “it can be demeaned” as if it is a living thing – it is in its raw form – a form of entertainment. It only gives meaning what you put into it. The problem with your argument is that the sport – the Yankees – exist on some social importance – that is a poor argument and fallacy to base it on – you are the one that gives it importance to yourself – - – -again – it is a form of entertainment for the masses – - – -

  185. Captain Clutch December 5th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Hal doesn’t realize that the fans will be very happy to watch the games from home next year. Either that or all of them will be in the bleachers or in the 400 section. They had trouble filling the seats last year and it was bad in the play offs but next year could be worse. The Yanks could live with a bad catcher and fill in at 3rd base but they have to get a good RFer. That is where the rest of the money has to go.

  186. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    CoreyMac December 5th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    Everyone panics…. This free agent class was weak before it began. Everyone knew Swisher was leaving, ibanez and Suzuki are old, Chavez is injury prone and Russell Martin has become a .220 hitter. There’s risks in any signing, and bringing back any of those guys makes about zero sense based on age and or dollars. We all knew Greinke wasn’t happening, and Hamilton as well. I don’t know what people are clamping about…
    ///

    Melky Cabrera not being re-signed is a big whiff by the Yankees and a reason why I’m clamping.

  187. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    Baseball is a monopoly, there are always other restaurants, but your choice for other good baseball is extremely limited. In NYC there are 117 5 star restaurants. You can pass on one and still get a good meal. You cannot pass on a sport and still get the same thing. Sports unite disparate people. They are touch stones for populace. It cannot be equated to simple entertainment. No one cries when they have a bad meal at a restaurant. People cry when their team get eliminated from the playoffs.

  188. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    It’s December 5th, not February 5th…

    ———————-

    What are the chances better players will be available weeks from now??? Any trade they do for a good player is doing to dip into a farm system that is not deep already.

  189. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
    First – take a deep breath.

    ————–

    How do you know how fast I’m saying it…?

    ******

    The “What the eff?” part provided a clue – but I just guessed – - – -

  190. jmills December 5th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    Alfred, how do u kno so much muck regarding my stupid as# stats? Did u have to live up here or something ! ? :)

  191. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
    Baseball is a monopoly, there are always other restaurants, but your choice for other good baseball is extremely limited. In NYC there are 117 5 star restaurants. You can pass on one and still get a good meal. You cannot pass on a sport and still get the same thing. Sports unite disparate people. They are touch stones for populace. It cannot be equated to simple entertainment. No one cries when they have a bad meal at a restaurant. People cry when their team get eliminated from the playoffs.

    ******

    Again – sports – especially professional sports more than anything – is a form of commerce and entertainment – it is money driven. I have also equated it to the movies – which ironically have a communal atmosphere – but in the end – sports is what people put into for their own – it is not some living breathing extension of society – it is what you choose to make important and how important it is to you – - – -

  192. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Blake,

    If people don’t enjoy their visits to the restaurant they won’t go as much or watch them as much. We all know how painful some stretches were last year. Now this. As much as I foresaw it based on what they said, it is still in shocking. It is a big risk they run.

  193. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    “The only thing more important than winning is breathing; breathing first then winning.” George Steinbrenner

  194. Ghostwriter December 5th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Cashman hasn’t been doing anything really besides signing hos own guys back. When happens next season when those three pitchers all hang it up and Hughes either has a bad season and walks or has a great season and wants 5 for 60-70.
    ==============

    Time will tell. If all goes well, Hughes, Phelps, Nova, and Pineda will step up. I’m not sure what he’ll do with Cano and Granderson. It really doesn’t make sense for the Yanks to live over the salary cap, just to give money away to other billionaires. It would be extremely difficult for that last player(s) that will put the Yanks over the salary cap to be worth they will cost Yanks (assuming the Yanks pay the market value for the player.

  195. CoreyMac December 5th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Against All Odds….. Arods 2012 production is replaceable by all accounts without trading too much….quite frankly he sucked and they still did fine. The blaring hole is RF for production replacement…but it is doable.

  196. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    If your main argument is that ‘its just a game’ or ‘its just entertainment’, you should leave the room. You’re not on the same level as what is being debated. It doesn’t matter if it is the choice of the people to care about sports, in the end millions of people have chosen to care, and are RAISED to care and it is the CULTURE of our humanity which makes us care about sports. It is learned and reinforced from the beginning of civilization to now. Team & winning.

    You may as well tell people to be an alien or a dinosaur if your idea of solving a problem is ‘Don’t care about this thing you have been raised your entire life to care about and is an ingrained response of the human brain’.

  197. Ys Guy December 5th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    i’m voting for coreymac!

  198. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    Thank you, Shame, for the George quote. He wanted to win as he felt ownership was a public trust. Plus, he just enjoyed kicking someone’s rear.

  199. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    Lol, just getting my point across. The comparison doesn’t work, in any case.

    But the idea that there’s something wrong with wanting your team to want to put the best product on the field seems completely at odds with what it means to be a fan.

  200. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    I have also equated it to the movies – which ironically have a communal atmosphere – but in the end – sports is what people put into for their own – it is not some living breathing extension of society – it is what you choose to make important and how important it is to you – – – -

    You have compared it to movies, and restaurants, both are not apt comparisons. No one is cheering for a movie to beat all the other movies. Beat them at what? You watch a movie and you enjoy it or you don’t. Following sports is more than the simple enjoyment of the act of watching a game. That just gets you in the door.

  201. CoreyMac December 5th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    Against All Odds….more becomes available by January….. The winter meetings are just the beginning and because it’s such an “event” I think kneejerk trades and signings this week USUALLY get one team fleeced.

  202. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    “Again – you are the one in control of your emotions – – – – if there is one thing I will SAY tonight – Yankees Fans are not victims or exploited victims – – – -”

    Oh please

  203. Bronx Jeers December 5th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Alright maybe Team Greedy Mothership isn’t the right term… How about Evil Duo of Personal Greed?

  204. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    “I’m a finance geek,” Hal said in spring training 2011. “I guess I always have been. That’s my background; budgets matter and balance sheets matter. I just feel that if you do well on the player development side and you have a good farm system, you don’t need a $220 million payroll. You can field every bit as good a team with young talent.”

    “I really believe in Cashman’s scouting & development, we have some guys on the farm,” Hal continued, peeking down at a hastily scrawled sheet of names he kept in his pocket,”Tyler Austin, Gary Sanchez, Sled Heathcork, these guys can help us by providing talent for a cheaper price. That is why we’re going to sensibly approach this budget when the time is right, and not force it

    ———————

    Smh he doesn’t even know the guys in minor leagues. I know some fans will say he’s the owner who cares but if he’s banking so much on these players shouldn’t he at least remember the names. Three names that’s it not ten. And once again they are putting the future on the organization on the mL. It started with Generation Trey then the Bs and now the guys in A ball. Doesn’t he understand how dangerous it is to do that.

    “You can field every bit as good a team with young talent.”

    TF we’re not the Rays

  205. Ghostwriter December 5th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    It seems to me that three years ago was the beginning to returning to normal, and that the years leading up to 2010 (say, 2005 – 2010) were the aberration. The Yanks weren’t always spendthrifts, not even under the old man.

    Its not returning to normal if revenues are increasing. Its returning to being cheap. Wipe the gold flakes off ya mouth.
    ==========================

    Spare me the 10-cent finance lesson, sport.

  206. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    . It really doesn’t make sense for the Yanks to live over the salary cap, just to give money away to other billionaires.

    Yes it does, if their team wins lots of games and their profit margins are still healthy. Half the luxury tax money itself goes to paying for things like player’s health care and pensions, IMPORTANT THINGS.

    And the luxury tax & revenue sharing must now be spent on baseball operations, which only helps the Yankees make more money!

  207. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    CoreyMac December 5th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    Against All Odds….more becomes available by January….. The winter meetings are just the beginning and because it’s such an “event” I think kneejerk trades and signings this week USUALLY get one team fleeced.

    ————————

    Good point on the last statement but sooner or later Cash won’t be able to pull a rabbit out of his hat.

  208. Ghostwriter December 5th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    “Baseball is not just a sport anymore; we are a business. We are show business. To compete for the entertainment dollar, particularly in New York, you have to have more than nine guys playing baseball; you have to have an attraction. And I have tried to do the best job I possibly can to give my fans an attraction.” – George Steinbrenner

    ===================

    What about the eighties?

  209. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    How to make sense of the luxury tax

    Can the Yankees afford it?
    Does it make the team better?

    Hmm.. check and check. Do it!

  210. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    mac – George knew that the desire to win was just as valuable as what you earned monetarily.

    George was very, very flawed.. but there is no doubt he wanted to be great. And he didn’t just want to be great because he was an egomaniac.. but he wanted to be great for New York. He wanted to be great for us.

    Sure, he wanted to be great for us because he wanted us to love him.. but motivation is such a tricky thing to evaluate.. :)

  211. comet December 5th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Well said Shame!

    “Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
    Lol, just getting my point across. The comparison doesn’t work, in any case.

    But the idea that there’s something wrong with wanting your team to want to put the best product on the field seems completely at odds with what it means to be a fan.”

    Everyone wants their team to put the best team they can on the field or on the ice. Then you have Toronto Maple Leaf fans. They still fill the seats for a bad product with little hope of improvement.

  212. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    I have a feelin that cash has something up his sleeve for 3b…..at least at catcher and outfield they do have some internal options coming….they have nothing at 3B long term and they really can’t expect Alex to play much there when he comes back…..they can say so publically but they have to know he’s probably a DH going forward now.

    Not even making offers to Chavez and Keppinger is weird….almost makes you think that a bigger iron is in the fire….don’t know if it’ll be Headley….but I think they’ll do something to address that spot.

  213. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Alexander the Great wasn’t satisfied with just a few countries. He wanted ALL the countries. And he would pay anything to get it.

    We need to be great.

  214. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    CoreyMac December 5th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Against All Odds….. Arods 2012 production is replaceable by all accounts without trading too much….quite frankly he sucked and they still did fine. The blaring hole is RF for production replacement…but it is doable.

    ———————-

    RF, C, and 3b need to be replaced

  215. chicken little December 5th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    Brian Cashman, the Yankees’ general manager, has been shopping for bargains, despite openings at right field, catcher and, with Rodriguez’s latest hip injury, third base. Scott Boras, the game’s premier agent, can hardly believe it.

    “I can’t speak for the Yankees,” he said Wednesday, and then did just that. “I think the model to be a Goliath is wholly different than the approach they’re taking. They’re reducing their payroll from past practices, despite record revenues in the $800-$900 million area, and frankly, when you look at the collective bargaining agreement, their reason for doing it, with the value of their brand, has to be looked at very closely.”

    Randy Levine, the Yankees’ president, who has negotiated with Boras for years, was not moved to take the advice.

    ———————————————————————————————-

    My unsolicited advise to Randy Levine — shut up.

    “Scott’s a great agent, but he’s an agent,” Levine said. “Last I looked, he had zero experience running a professional sports team. I think the Yankees have done pretty well following our own course. My advice to Scott is stick to your day job representing players.”

  216. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    @JeffWilson_FWST: Nolan Ryan wouldn’t discount possibility that #Rangers could sign Josh Hamilton and Zack Greinke. Big-money owners would have to approve.

    And we can’t even sign Chavy and Keppinger to platoon?

  217. The Return of Stoneburner December 5th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Sports the Yankees is no different than back in Athens – when the Greeks would perform plays or speak of Odysseys – it is a form of entertainment that brings us out from the common everyday life for most – an escapism – some of us escape through by – say for you – placing this grand social importance – that the Yankees legacy and history is some living and breathing animal – but it is not really – it living and breathing because you want it to be – you have decided to be emotionally invested in something – just like others are emotionally invested in making money – others are emotionally invested in music, other are emotionally invested with making food, others are emotionally invested in movies, it comes down to what importance you place in your life.

    Now – I place a great emphasis the Yankees in my life – I have since 1992 with Scott Sanderson and Melido Perez and Scott Howe’s Montana drug problems and Steve Farr. That being said – I know I am placing this important emphasis on a form of entertainment. I am a paying customer as well of the professional sport (maybe you have a better argument for amateur sports – even then – amateur sports are primarily now in it for the more of the money- but not professional baseball)

    So back to where we began – Yankees fans are not some broke friends of Hal who we have been bumming meals off of for years and all of a sudden he wants us to pick up the tab.

    No – Yankees fans are the fans at a Billy Joel Concert or a fan going to an anticipated movie in say a trilogy – we put what expectations we want going in – if we are DISAPPOINTED – then you have aCHOICES – appreciate the situation for what it is if you cannot quit it, still remain a fan but b&&^% and moan about it, or move on. But in no way should fans of professional sports feel as if they as if they are free loaders of their teams – - – - -

    Boy that treatise tired me.

    On that note – I have faith in my Yanks and I AM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hytxoBA6PFk

  218. Tar December 5th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    “RF, C, and 3b need to be replaced”

    Not to mention a big hairy DH

  219. jmills December 5th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Damn it!, I’m voting for Corey Heart. ( Anne and Nancy Wilson were arguably the first queens of rock as Janis dominated blues, along with Etta , Dinah Washington and a boat load of others )

  220. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Alexander the Great wasn’t satisfied with just a few countries. He wanted ALL the countries. And he would pay anything to get it.

    We need to be great.

    ——————

    I am so glad you guys are understanding what I’m saying :lol:

    Alexander the Mediocre never made it into any history books I’ve read…

    “Humble people, I’ve found, don’t get very far.” – Muhammad Ali

  221. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    Ghostwriter December 5th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Cashman hasn’t been doing anything really besides signing hos own guys back. When happens next season when those three pitchers all hang it up and Hughes either has a bad season and walks or has a great season and wants 5 for 60-70.
    ==============

    Time will tell. If all goes well, Hughes, Phelps, Nova, and Pineda will step up. I’m not sure what he’ll do with Cano and Granderson. It really doesn’t make sense for the Yanks to live over the salary cap, just to give money away to other billionaires. It would be extremely difficult for that last player(s) that will put the Yanks over the salary cap to be worth they will cost Yanks (assuming the Yanks pay the market value for the player.

    ———————-

    This is the Yankees we’re talking about. Things normally don’t go well with them and young pitchers.

  222. CoreyMac December 5th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    Against All Odds… Does C really need to be replaced? I’m pretty sure Cervelli can hit .220 like Martin….granted less HR…but when he was going everyday when Posada was hurt he put up some grinding at bats. Martin never was a grinder to me and swung at junk regularly. If Cervelli is my starting catcher I won’t cry…..as long as RF and 3B are addressed.

  223. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    jmills December 5th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    Alfred, how do u kno so much muck regarding my stupid as# stats? Did u have to live up here or something ! ? :)
    ////

    Just a longtime hockey fan ;)

  224. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    I’m pretending those revenue number Boras was throwing around aren’t accurate…. but I do wonder exactly how far off he is lol…

  225. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Tar December 5th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    “RF, C, and 3b need to be replaced”

    Not to mention a big hairy DH
    ——————

    Also add in Jete getting older

  226. Tar December 5th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    “Sports the Yankees is no different than back in Athens – when the Greeks would perform plays or speak of Odysseys ”

    More like when the Romans opened the gates and let lose the lions.

  227. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Are we psychoanalyzing the collective right now…? Is that what’s happening? Because we’ve been known to get mad at science before..

  228. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    You keep equating sports teams to art. It is not. It is a bad comparison. The Yankees are more like if the city states of ancient greece held competitions between themselves to decide something that everyone agreed was a worthy prize. The populus of the city states are invested in the outcome OUTSIDE of the competition’s outcome itself. Thus they are united despite uncommon relationships.

    It seems like you do not understand humans? This is not a Billy Joel concert. The people who would treat baseball like a Billy Joel concert are not fans.

  229. jmills December 5th, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    Alfred, you’re pretty observant; by the way, I left out Grace Slick and Jefferson Airplane – sorry.

  230. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    Oh and Hughes isn’t signed beyond this year.. people keep forgetting that and factoring him into future plans.. we gotta sign him first!

  231. Ys Guy December 5th, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    A BUNCH OF CHUMPS! you guys are freaking about a bunch of chumps!

    keppinger?!? chavez?!? scutaro!?!
    who cares?
    the in-house guys are likely to be just as good as these mediocre players and have more potential

    ….does anybody really want to see kevin feakin youkilis wearing a yankees uniform and holding the bat like an idiot and batting .245?

    nobody that has moved or signed with a new team was a good buy.

    relax, good things are going to happen…

    LGY!

  232. NYY fan in NH December 5th, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    This has been a forgettable day for Yankee fans. Hard to understand that not one of the positions have been dealt with. I understand the years that other teams extend to the free agents, but some have turned down coming here. Could be a rough 2013…

  233. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    “Humble people, I’ve found, don’t get very far.” – Muhammad Ali
    ///

    Ali’s wrong, of course. Einstein is a great example of genius ang genuine humility.

  234. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    Remember when we were all happy they got the pitching locked up so that the could focus on the offense at the winter meetings …..good times

  235. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    CoreyMac December 5th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    Against All Odds… Does C really need to be replaced? I’m pretty sure Cervelli can hit .220 like Martin….granted less HR…but when he was going everyday when Posada was hurt he put up some grinding at bats. Martin never was a grinder to me and swung at junk regularly. If Cervelli is my starting catcher I won’t cry…..as long as RF and 3B are addressed.

    ————————

    The Yankees thought so little of Cervelli they kept him in the minors until September and he only caught 3 games when he came up.

  236. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    The Olympics, The World Cup, Major League Sports are not these un-related events (ie plays, concerts) that require no communal investment.

  237. CoreyMac December 5th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    They need to get their new 3B via trade if possible soon….calling all Chase Headleys. I’d be all in on that guy. Arods return should be full time DH for the remainder of his career.

  238. jmills December 5th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Alfred,….Einstein got around.

  239. Ghostwriter December 5th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    . It really doesn’t make sense for the Yanks to live over the salary cap, just to give money away to other billionaires.

    Yes it does, if their team wins lots of games and their profit margins are still healthy. Half the luxury tax money itself goes to paying for things like player’s health care and pensions, IMPORTANT THINGS.

    And the luxury tax & revenue sharing must now be spent on baseball operations, which only helps the Yankees make more money!

    =================

    No, it only makes sense for them to overpay for these players over the salary cap if signing them generates enough revenue to offset the costs of those players.

  240. Tar December 5th, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    “Does C really need to be replaced? I’m pretty sure Cervelli can hit .220 like Martin….granted less HR…but when he was going everyday when Posada was hurt he put up some grinding at bats. ”

    He was in AAA last year because the Yankees had no faith in him. But this year he’s good enough to start?

    Unless he put in some major quality time with Pena, I think the pitching staff would revolt if he was the starting catcher.

  241. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Think of a venn diagram. Sports will occupy space in the ‘entertainment’ side of the venn diagram. it will also exist in another space where plays & concerts do not exist.

    Cities do not hold parades for plays down main street.

  242. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    relax, good things are going to happen…

    —————–

    It’s this part that people doubt (given certain bits of evidence)… and it’s reaching a code red state of panic (which will, hopefully, be for naught).

    But please stop saying we’re upset about not signing these bench players (some of whom would be filling full time roles, but again, semantics), because that’s not what anyone here is upset about. It’s been building lol.. it’s many, many things but it is not that we aren’t signing Kevin Youkilis.

  243. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    No, it only makes sense for them to overpay for these players over the salary cap if signing them generates enough revenue to offset the costs of those players.

    Why must the team maintain a specific profit margin? Why as a fan would you root for that? The money is not re-invested in a way that benefits you.

  244. Ys Guy December 5th, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    i’m telling ya…nuney at 3b is going to make everybody happy in 2013.

    alex who?

    we just have to make brian cashman and joe girardi come to accept it.

  245. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    .calling all Chase Headleys. I’d be all in on that guy

    ———————

    He’s going to cost a lot

  246. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    “Humble people, I’ve found, don’t get very far.” – Muhammad Ali
    ///

    Ali’s wrong, of course. Einstein is a great example of genius ang genuine humility.

    ————-

    If Einstein worked for us I bet we’d be pretty good even with a budget…

  247. CoreyMac December 5th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    Why would the pitching staff revolt under Cervelli? I always thought he called pretty good games if I recall.

  248. Ys Guy December 5th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    in this market the moves not made may well be better than all the moves made so far.

  249. Tar December 5th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    “but please stop saying we’re upset about not signing these bench players (some of whom would be filling full time roles, but again, semantics), because that’s not what anyone here is upset about.”

    I agree Shame, it’s condescending and not accurate.

  250. CoreyMac December 5th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    Headley will definitely cost a lot….but he’s not a patch. He’s a long term fix. You gotta give to get. We can’t all fleece the Indiana and Padres for Victor Martinez and Adrian Gonzalez. Lol

  251. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    From a pure economic point of view, it shall be seen whether decreased spending results in equal or greater reduction of income. It cannot be questioned a lesser team makes less money.

    I come with an attitude the owner of a professional sports team’s first priority should not be profit. Color me naive.

    As a fan, I cannot imagine why I wouldn’t want my team to spend in an effort to win. Saving money provides me no warm and fuzzy feeling.

  252. CoreyMac December 5th, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    Indians*

  253. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    No one is exclusively upset about what has just happened in the last 2 weeks.

  254. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    Not saying they will….but won’t surprise me if the cave and pay a lot for Chase Headley

  255. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    Tar December 5th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    “but please stop saying we’re upset about not signing these bench players (some of whom would be filling full time roles, but again, semantics), because that’s not what anyone here is upset about.”

    I agree Shame, it’s condescending and not accurate.

    —————–

    It doesn’t seem to matter how much we repeat it either.. it is constructed as if we are upset about these moves and losing out on these players in this off season… all false. You can’t even have a debate when you’re not standing on the same platform.

  256. blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    Night all. I except to have HAMILTON under my tree when I wake!

  257. Nick in SF December 5th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    Free meals and not putting out and opening up new holes to be filled? What the heck is going on in here????

    Also, try miserly on for size in the cheap vs. greedy chat.

  258. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    Not saying they will….but won’t surprise me if the cave and pay a lot for Chase Headley

    ————

    I hope so.. they can make trades.. I dunno if it will be one for a big piece or a couple for a few pieces..

  259. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    Miserly, I like it.

  260. jmills December 5th, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    Blake,…I hope u have Josh under your tree too! Sweet dreams, mon ami.

  261. Tar December 5th, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    “Why would the pitching staff revolt under Cervelli? I always thought he called pretty good games if I recall.”

    He’s a liability defensively. He’s fidgety (which is a nice way of saying he moves too damn much) and a hot head. He doesn’t really know the staff that well or the opponents.

    I will say though that at the end of the prior year I noticed some improvement, noticeable Pena trademarks to his style. So not having seen him for awhile maybe he has refined his defense and is better than he was.

  262. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    Good night Brian. You had a busy day making a contract offer. Get some rest for your flight.

  263. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    Miserly sounds dignified. I also like avaricious because it sounds sassy. Like a Rihanna song.

  264. G. Love December 5th, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    It’s really a bizarre time to be a Yankee fan.

    To see Kay & now Levine come out in defense of them not spending money and claiming they have enough to win even though Arod is dead money and Tex is worth 1/2 his contract…it’s all just bizarre.

    It’s like the team is pitting itself against the fans. How on earth do they think they’re going to win this battle? By browbeating us? How they could ever think that was smart business makes me wonder if they really are as dumb as most of us think they are.

    They think we’re idiots who’ll just show up for anything wallets open wide & we think they’re morons for playing cheap when you make the most money and charge insane prices.

    The Yankees need new ownership. Fans & Owners are going to be at each other’s throats if they don’t stop this foolishness in pursuit of saving money.

  265. Ys Guy December 5th, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    i believe that eduardo nunez, given the chance, would be a much better 3bman next season than kevin youkilis (or jefff keppinger) and as good a 3bman as chase headley.

    …at no cost.

  266. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    He doesn’t really know the staff that well or the opponents.

    He knows Hughes, Nova, CC, and Phelps well enough. The only guy he isn’t familiar with is Kuroda. He was in the major leagues for 2 years, and we are supposedly the richest team so with video tech how does he not know the opponents?

  267. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    Miserly is good. Skinflint? Economical? Tightwad? Stingy? Hal calls for a thesaurus.

  268. oak2455 December 5th, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    AndrewMarchand Yanks were very disappointed not to sign Chavez. Felt as if they could have matched AZ offer.
    about 1 minute ago · reply · retweet · favorite

    AndrewMarchand Yanks offered Keppinger 2 yrs and $10M, according to a source.
    3 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

  269. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    Ys Guy December 5th, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    i believe that eduardo nunez, given the chance, would be a much better 3bman next season than kevin youkilis (or jefff keppinger) and as good a 3bman as chase headley.

    …at no cost.

    ——————-

    Yes, and wouldn’t it have been a novel decision to get him some work at 3B while he was in AAA? Or was there just no possible way to anticipate that this team might need some young legs at 3B? This is on the list of things people are upset about. Not our inability to sign Youkilis.

  270. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Joel Sherman says they offered $0, I think I’ll trust him over Marchand, but why would they offer a deal which hurts them more in 2014 than a 3 year/12 deal?

  271. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    They pushed hard for Keppinger but couldn’t land him.. hopefully it forces them into another move.

  272. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    AndrewMarchand Yanks offered Keppinger 2 yrs and $10M, according to a source.
    3 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

    —————-

    Well someone is wrong

  273. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Joel Sherman says they offered $0, I think I’ll trust him over Marchand, but why would they offer a deal which hurts them more in 2014 than a 3 year/12 deal?

    —————–

    I’m confused by the conflicting reports but either way it does sound like he was the guy they were most interested in.

  274. Against All Odds December 5th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Joel Sherman says they offered $0,

    —————–

    Onley said the same thing.

    That’s 2-1 cmon Marchand you’re losing ground here

  275. Tar December 5th, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    He knows Hughes, Nova, CC, and Phelps well enough. The only guy he isn’t familiar with is Kuroda. He was in the major leagues for 2 years, and we are supposedly the richest team so with video tech how does he not know the opponents?”

    Or Andy. How much time has he really spent catching any of those guys? He played in 43 games for the Yankees in 2011. He may have caught them a little, but he doesn’t really know them that well. Hughes is probably a different pitcher than the one he saw as well. I guess the new 189 reality is he can learn on the job. As for the opponents there are reports and video, but the point I was trying to make is not some savvy veteran behind the plate.

  276. Ys Guy December 5th, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    im with you on that shame. if they were going to send him down to the minors to concentrate on one position, it should have been 3b or LF, not SS where he wasnt going to become the starter. bad decision there in my opinion.

    but that doesnt preclude them from changing thier minds and giving him a shot at there. i know it’s still not ‘the plan’ at 3b, but nuney at third is looking better and better as time goes by.

    thats a good thing.

  277. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    jmills December 5th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Alfred,….Einstein got around.
    ///

    Wonder how he feels about Pearson’s debunkings? ;). Of course, he was humble enough, and prescient enough, to see it coming. Einstein is a very big deal down here in Mercer County.

  278. yankeefeminista December 5th, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    blake December 5th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
    Not saying they will….but won’t surprise me if the cave and pay a lot for Chase Headley
    _____
    I said this earlier. You have to worry about an overpay. Especially if they fill like they have to make a big move. Something has to give; no way we go quietly into the night.

  279. yankeefeminista December 5th, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    *feel

  280. yankeefeminista December 5th, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    I really doubt Nunie sees time at 3rd except in an emergency.

  281. Tar December 5th, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    “but that doesnt preclude them from changing thier minds and giving him a shot at there. i know it’s still not ‘the plan’ at 3b, but nuney at third is looking better and better as time goes by.”

    Just another thing to get pissed off about when they hand the starting 3b job to Nixie.

  282. jacksquat December 5th, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    Why get upset about guys like Chavez, Keppinger, Schierholtz, etc. coming off the board? Because they are relatively inexpensive yet decent to good players. That’s why they are coming off the board first. Guess what you are left with when those types of guys are gone? More expensive guys like Mark Reynolds and Youkilis who have big downsides. Good players that are getting massively oversized contracts. And finally, inexpensive players that suck. Or, trading the farm. So yes, when you watch a lot of decent options disappear, it’s frustrating.

  283. Shame Spencer December 5th, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    It’s just mounting frustration over, again, a lack of proactive planning. Even if they tried something and didn’t have it pan out, that’d be different… but throwing Nunie in the OF at no point during spring training, for example, and then when the season starts try testing him out there isn’t what I mean by ‘trying’.

    If they want to spend smarter they need to act smarter. And they needed to start doing the second they established they’d have a hard line budget. That.. is the singular reason we are all going borderline crazy lately.

  284. Ys Guy December 5th, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    i like chase headley. i really do.

    but really, is chase headly so much of an upgrade over nunez that he’s worth hughes plus a prospect?
    no

    is kevin you…f it he sucks…

    nunez at third is a winner!!!

    now get me an OF!

  285. Jerkface December 5th, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    Or Andy. How much time has he really spent catching any of those guys? He played in 43 games for the Yankees in 2011. He may have caught them a little, but he doesn’t really know them that well. Hughes is probably a different pitcher than the one he saw as well. I guess the new 189 reality is he can learn on the job. As for the opponents there are reports and video, but the point I was trying to make is not some savvy veteran behind the plate.

    Well he was CC’s personal catcher for starters. Caught Nova & Hughes 30 times in the majors, doesn’t count any minor league time they may have spent together nor spring training nor practice or any other scenario where Cervelli could learn about these guys.

    Phelps in the minors.

    Caught Andy 14 times.

    Anyone we bring in is going to have caught less than Cervelli has for these guys. Hell, Stewart has caught these guys less than Cervelli has.

  286. jmills December 5th, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    Alfred, you know and I know, the Survivalists have a big problem with Einstein’s relativity as it conflicts with quantum mechanics.

  287. Ys Guy December 5th, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    bring scott brosious in to coach nunez.

  288. jacksquat December 5th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    I’d be fine with giving Nunez a shot at 3B, but the Yankees just don’t seem to want to live through the growing pains. They probably won’t even consider calling up David Adams from AA to give him a shot either. Girardi wasn’t even sure if he had played in the AFL… Lots of teams call up their prospects straight from AA. The Yankees seem to thing AAA is a requirement.

  289. J. Alfred Prufrock December 5th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    ————-
    Einstein though had no doubts about immortality, which of course quantum physics is now proving. jmills et al, good night :)

  290. Captain Clutch December 5th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    Andrew Marchand?@AndrewMarchand

    Hairston & Ichiro still in play for Yanks.

  291. austinmac December 5th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    Jmills,

    You’re scaring me.

  292. jmills December 5th, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    Best to you, Alfred. Dave Stieb it is next Sunday. I better disappear too!

  293. waka flocka December 5th, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    here is a reason to be down on Cervelli: he couldn’t take the back up job from Chris f’n Stewart last year. end of discussion.

  294. jmills December 5th, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    Austin, you’re too smart for that! Have a good nite all ( whatever’s left of it :) )

  295. Captain Clutch December 5th, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    The Yanks really need to get an everyday guy for 3rd base. Who knows what shape Arod is going to be in when he comes back. After 2 hip surgeries he might have zero range and need to be the DH from now on. I think it’s stupid of Cashman to think that he can continue to play 3rd base everyday.

  296. jacksquat December 6th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    Cervelli had options to go down, Stewart did not. So Stewart stayed. At least that is what was told, I’m not naive, could be a lie, and they think Cervelli is just an org guy.

  297. Tar December 6th, 2012 at 12:06 am

    JF

    Ok maybe you’re right he knows the staff well. And Im guessing they had seen enough of him to send him to AAA all last year

    But I will pencil you in as being down with Cervelli and his in depth knowledge of our starting pitching staff.

    Me I will believe there was a damn good reason the Yankees traded for Stewart. And I’m betting it began with the starting staff.

  298. NYY_Girl_Penny December 6th, 2012 at 12:07 am

    G love so true . I cant belive what they are doing ! They are ruining the brand not helping it thats for sure/.. Bunch or idiots that dont even watch the games. Even cashman is clueless saying things that convince me he didn’t watch this team this past year at all . Im in complete disbelief and will flip if they dont get at least one good bat … Thry are gonna be a horrible team to watch play.. If i watch at all. Their doing a great jon of forcing me to not be a yankes fan anymore/

  299. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 12:09 am

    Ok maybe you’re right he knows the staff well. And Im guessing they had seen enough of him to send him to AAA all last year

    But I will pencil you in as being down with Cervelli and his in depth knowledge of our starting pitching staff.

    Me I will believe there was a damn good reason the Yankees traded for Stewart. And I’m betting it began with the starting staff.

    Are you arguing that Cervelli is illiterate? Incapable of learning? Why make fun of the idea that he knows the staff? He has been with the org for years, he knows our players. I’d say the 10% of runners he was throwing out combined with his throwing errors was why they traded for stewart. And Romine’s back issues.

    It probably had little or nothing to do with his knowledge of the starting staff.

  300. oak2455 December 6th, 2012 at 12:10 am

    my head hurts, hopefully Cash has an Ace up his sleeve ;)

  301. G. Love December 6th, 2012 at 12:25 am

    The problem, as I see it, was there was never any real preparation for this budget crutch they are using.

    They traded Montero for Pineda. Was that supposed to accomplish all the goals?

    If the minute the CBA was signed the team had been making moves in advance to prepare for this, fans would be more on board.

    It’s the intense lack of planning that we’re reacting to.

    They could have traded Swisher & Granderson well in advance of this knowing they couldn’t afford to sign them long term and had decent replacements in place already.

    They could’ve negotiated 2 years ago with Cano and already had him locked into his extension that would’ve ended in his late 30′s instead of his 40′s which his eventual deal will extend him to with whoever signs it.

    They could’ve stockpiled IFA’s like Cespedes, Chapman, Darvish, etc. Those guys all would’ve fit into an austere budget.

    But instead, they did one thing. Trade Montero for Pineda. That’s it.

    And instead of saying “we know we need to get under 189 so we’re making these moves now to keep the team strong” they are publicly getting rejected by role player free agents.

    I know everyone thinks the Yankees have a plan, but I don’t agree. I think they have no plan other than procrastination. They wait until the problem is there to address it and that only worked when you could offer more to come here than any other team. Not to mention you have a platoon happy manager which tells any potential players that he will adhere to the binder spilts and take away at bats from them.

    This could’ve been handled much smoother, but instead the team is fumbling through this transition like a punch drunk fighter.

    There really is only one way to fix this and it involves Josh Hamilton. You sign him & Cano to be the middle of the order and keep the top positional prospects and hope those 2 bats hold the fort down and keep the team in the playoff hunt.

    If they put this all on Cano, it’s going to end poorly and he’ll walk. As it stands, he’s getting nothing to hit next season.

    If the team is that dead set on not paying luxury tax to avoid fixing the massive problems in the lineup, then the Yankees as we knew them have just jumped the shark.

    But the fact that they were in on Nate whatever-his-name is with their first offer tells me they are signing no one.

    The backlash isn’t even at a fever pitch yet. This will get ugly and end up forcing the Yankees into a ridiculous move when they have moves available that don’t cost the farm but only the money they seem to be hoarding.

  302. Tar December 6th, 2012 at 12:42 am

    “It probably had little or nothing to do with his knowledge of the starting staff.”

    That wasn’t my point. You took an innocuous part of my statement and ran with it. Now admittedly I didn’t explain my point well. I will blame it on exhaustion. What I said was

    “He’s a liability defensively. He’s fidgety (which is a nice way of saying he moves too damn much) and a hot head. He doesn’t really know the staff that well or the opponents.

    Maybe what I should have said is that he plays like a freaking rookie. I think with his antics behind the plate he pisses off not only his own pitchers but the umpires and opponents as well. In other words he doesn’t know how to make his own staff comfortable. Instead I said he doesn’t know his staff or his opponents. Which he doesnt. :evil: OK firing squad at dawn.

    Not even sure why I’m discussing Cervelli anyway. With 3 concussions, and bad defense I really doubt he’s much of an option in Cashman’s “defesive first” strategy anyway.

    Good night everybody, dawn is quickly approaching.

  303. Bronx Jeers December 6th, 2012 at 12:42 am

    Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya. The Yanks could certainly be a mediocre team next season and I can’t fault people for getting upset but if you’re going to turn in your Yanke decoder ring over it then good riddance.

    I’ll still go to games just for the chance to see Mariano. I doubt I’ll pay retail for the seats but you can’t buy beer on stubhub so they got me there.

  304. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 12:45 am

    Cervo threw out 30% of runners in AAA last year, he may be back!

  305. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 12:51 am

    Tar I don’t think its innocuous when its presented as part of a list of why Cervelli is bad. Cervelli was bad defensively, and people have strong opinions on how he acts behind the plate, but there is no need to further demean our current starting catcher with made up stuff :)

  306. Tar December 6th, 2012 at 12:52 am

    GLove

    Exactly.

    Jerk

    I also pointed out a Pena influence going back to 2011. But if he’s going to stick he better have done a 180 from the last time he was with the team.

  307. Tar December 6th, 2012 at 12:54 am

    JF

    It wasn’t made up, just poorly expressed. :D

    I’m really tired, Good night for real

  308. Nick in SF December 6th, 2012 at 12:54 am

    BeerHub™, thank you!!!

  309. 98NYY December 6th, 2012 at 1:03 am

    Shut out. Now a new Core Four can be introduced by Cashman

  310. Duh Innings II December 6th, 2012 at 1:12 am

    Scherholtz: Another loser who signs with a loser for the money. The Cubs LOL.

    C – Romine
    1B – Teixiera
    2B – Cano
    3B – Ronnier Mustelier
    SS – Jeter
    LF – Granderson or trade him for a 3B and start Mustelier in LF
    CF – Gardner
    RF – Tyler Austin
    DH – Nunez

    7/9ths homegrown, 2/3rds under 30 and cheap, 8/9ths under 34 and not under guaranteed contract beyond 2013, 1/3rd expensive, the OF and DH could steal 100+ bases combined.

  311. Pat M. December 6th, 2012 at 1:22 am

    Cervelli ….Jim Everett Happy Feet behind the plate, which I say causes him to lose focus ( his pitcher also )…..If could settle down and stay away from the Pudge Mentality he’d be alright….And he does carry a nice stick for the most part he just needs to be a little more cerebral in his game plan……Right now catching is the least of my concerns

  312. sammiejohnson December 6th, 2012 at 1:36 am

    Duh Innings II December 6th, 2012 at 1:12 am

    Scherholtz: Another loser who signs with a loser for the money. The Cubs LOL.

    C – Romine
    1B – Teixiera
    2B – Cano
    3B – Ronnier Mustelier
    SS – Jeter
    LF – Granderson or trade him for a 3B and start Mustelier in LF
    CF – Gardner
    RF – Tyler Austin
    DH – Nunez

    7/9ths homegrown, 2/3rds under 30 and cheap, 8/9ths under 34 and not under guaranteed contract beyond 2013, 1/3rd expensive, the OF and DH could steal 100+ bases combined.

    _________________________________

    Great lineup. That team should win at least 70 games.

  313. NYY_Girl_Penny December 6th, 2012 at 2:58 am

    Only idiots would pay to support their team when ownership is spitting in your faces .. Nice job, and you are thanking them for it by still giving them money.

  314. NYY_Girl_Penny December 6th, 2012 at 2:59 am

    G love – why do you not have ur own blog? You say it so well.. Applause to you sir!

  315. BoJo December 6th, 2012 at 3:35 am

    Well so far the Yankees’ off-season is going according to plan…..Boston Red Sox’s plan that is…

  316. BoJo December 6th, 2012 at 4:01 am

    On the bright side, I guess with all the money he is saving, that Hal can buy some really good box seats to watch next year’s World Series in.

  317. BoJo December 6th, 2012 at 4:04 am

    Yankees’ PR department just released the slogan for the team this year—”Remember 1965!”

  318. yanks61 December 6th, 2012 at 4:08 am

    A very early good morning everyone.

    Well after Levine’s statement it does indeed look like the Yanks have decided to go full bore towards 189 and damn the torpedos (or consequences.) To me it’s a shame that if they’re so determined to do this that they don’t do everything they can to get what they can now from Grandy and Robby (much as I hate to think about the latter.)

    I just hope that they don’t waste the kids on older, semi-washed up vets, like George used to do, in order to placate the fan’s appetite for name players. I would have no objection of course to trading kids in areas of strength for kids in areas of weakness (outfielders for a 3B or SS, for example.)

    My personal preference would be to give up 2013 and 14 and start spending again afterwards while keeping most of the younger players around.

  319. blake December 6th, 2012 at 5:51 am

    G love hit a grand slam off the 3rd deck at 12:25.

  320. blake December 6th, 2012 at 5:56 am

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Mariners involvement in 4 team blockbuster proposals is to utilize prospects to make sure TX gets Upton so they can actually sign Hamilton

  321. Jason22 December 6th, 2012 at 6:13 am

    Ditto what Blake said, everything G love said timed infinity.

  322. Triple Short of a Cycle December 6th, 2012 at 6:40 am

    Gearing up for another whole day of nothing :(

  323. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 6:51 am

    As long as it isn’t a whole OS of nothing.

    ;)

  324. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 6:54 am

    Blake-

    The Yankees should have been in hard on Asdrubal so they could have used him to get JU.

    If it took a few quality prospects to make it happen you have to consider that.

  325. blake December 6th, 2012 at 6:55 am

    @Buster_ESPN: Other officials say that the winter meetings are perfectly built for Ariz. GM Kevin Towers. “He doesn’t need any sleep,” said one executive.

    My 2 year old will make a good GM the. Because he doesn’t need sleep either apparently

  326. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 7:00 am

    The Yankees cannot compete in th AL east this upcoming season w/o
    meaningfully addressing the holes in their O.

    I, like several others, believe the team is going up for sale sooner rather than later.

    As a buisnessman HS has to know that if his attendance falls off the cliff that will not add to the Yankees value.

    If they do not improve this team’s O signifcantly that’s exactly what
    will happen.

    It just seems illogical to me that they wouldn’t want to maximize the sale price.

    Oh well. Whatever. Ain’t my money.

    ;)

  327. blake December 6th, 2012 at 7:01 am

    MTU,

    I agree and maybe Cash tried ….who knows…..it seems maybe Seattle is trying to fill the role I wanted the Yankees to…..a facilitator to make everybody happy and land Upton in NY. .. Either Cashman didn’t engage it or he didn’t have or wasn’t willing to deal the players to make it work

  328. blake December 6th, 2012 at 7:05 am

    I still find it hard to believe they’ll go into the season without making a major move…..because this team simply isn’t good enough and they will really risk a lot of bad blood with their fans…..not to mention wasting Rivera and Andy’s final years

  329. blake December 6th, 2012 at 7:06 am

    It would be awesome if Jack Z jumped in there to facilitate a deal where Upton could go to Texas and then the Yanks swooped in and stole Hamilton

  330. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 7:07 am

    Blake-

    “wasn’t willing to deal the players to make it work”

    More likely this in my mind.

    Prospect hugging over a guy like Upton is terminally stupid FWIS.

    The only guy who you might want untouchable, and even that is open to debate, is Sanchez.

    I’m not buying he made the max. effort because I think they would have had AC if they did.

    Only 2 options left :

    Trade for quality (my preference).

    Play the kids (we’ll finish way down but it’s exciting).

    Still holding out a little out for the first one although the light grows dim.

  331. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 7:09 am

    I do not see the Yankees putting out the vast sum it would take to get JH.

    Not even sure they should w his history.

    But I wish you luck because I know you want it.

    :)

  332. yanks61 December 6th, 2012 at 7:12 am

    blake December 6th, 2012 at 7:05 am
    I still find it hard to believe they’ll go into the season without making a major move…..because this team simply isn’t good enough and they will really risk a lot of bad blood with their fans…..not to mention wasting Rivera and Andy’s final years

    ——————————————————————-

    Blake, that’s what I don’t understand either. Why bring these guys back (as well as Kuroda) if they’re not going to at least spend enough to put a competitive team on the field. It seems to me that they have to logically at least do that or else do what I said earlier this morning at 4:08

  333. blake December 6th, 2012 at 7:17 am

    61,

    Either they are delusional and think this is good enough….. Or they are planning to do something…..I prefer to believe the latter until they prove me wrong

  334. brianlopez22 December 6th, 2012 at 7:22 am

    C – Romine
    1B – Teixiera
    2B – Cano
    3B – Ronnier Mustelier
    SS – Jeter
    LF – Granderson or trade him for a 3B and start Mustelier in LF
    CF – Gardner
    RF – Tyler Austin
    DH – Nunez

    ——————————–

    Wasn’t this the SWB Yankees at some point?

  335. brianlopez22 December 6th, 2012 at 7:24 am

    I like Tyler Austin, I really do.
    I want to see what he can do…HOWEVER…

    He should be a piece of the puzzle, not the solution to the puzzle!
    Do Levine, Hal, and Cashman remeber the postseason?
    Do they remember how they embarrassed themselves?!

    We had to belive they have a hidden gem up their sleeves, otherwise…
    We’re screwed!

  336. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Brian-

    I pretty much see it the same way.

    We have some very talented young guys.

    But we have to remember that they are just prospects still.

    And that the great majority are destined to fail.

    It’s just the way it is. For every Austin Jackson their are 10 melky Mesa’s.

    I would not be in favor of trading all. Just enough of them to get a quality player in return.

    I’m losing faith that they will get that done.

    The other alternatives are a road to nowhere IMO.

  337. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    At any rate I hope the new owners have a thirst for success like GMS did.

  338. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 7:40 am

    The Yankees are doing some very puzzling things of late.

    Hope that changes.

  339. austinmac December 6th, 2012 at 7:40 am

    Marchand says Cashman has to get permission before he can spend ANY money. Wow. He must not be getting it.

    I hoped maybe Michael Young for third. Nope, looks likely to go to Phils.

    The budget is already in effect for 2013 from all appearances.

  340. blake December 6th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    I just don’t see why they’d even bother with all the one year deals Kuroda, Rivera, etc….if they werent gonna try to go for it…..

    The Yankees seriously will have no players in 2014 if something doesn’t change…..Granderson will be gone, Hughes and Cano could be gone…..Kuroda and Andy and Rivera will be gone…..Jeter will be 40….Arod may not even be able to play at all…..

    It’s now or never guys and I just can’t see them punting this season

  341. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    Good morning.

    Handcufffed! :(

    “As Yankees fans, who grew up rooting for a team that constantly ignored the bottom line in the name of winning, are frustrated. This is how Pirates fans are supposed to feel.

    We’re not the only ones frustrated though. According to Joel Sherman of the NY Post, Brian Cashman has been described as “frustrated” by the handcuffs Hal Steinbrenner has placed on him.”

    Good article from Bronx Baseball Daily this morning:

    http://bronxbaseballdaily.com/.....rs-budget/

  342. brianlopez22 December 6th, 2012 at 7:44 am

    One of the things that REALLY bothers me is that it seems they are sacrificing 2013 AND 2014.
    Do they really think the fans won’t lash out?
    Do they care?

    Also, they make everyone believe that they will become players in the 2015 Free Agent class, that means that we have to wait until 2016 to put a legit contender back on the field?
    So, again, it is not just this year, or next year, its actually 3 FULL SEASONS of losing.

    The only upside is that we will get a GREAT look at our prospects, ready or not…

    (For the record, I am not saying you can’t win with your farm, but we have to be able to sign some free agents to fill needs to farm can’t fill. The Yankees have done a HORRIBLE job of developing talent and have just “re-focused” their attention to scouting and drafting.)

  343. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2012 at 7:49 am

    Austinmac–

    I’ve thought all along that the Steinbrenner’s were going to shave off as many dollars as possible this season so their 2013 opening day payroll wasn’t at the 2012 opening day payroll of some $209M.

    Every dollar over 178M taxed at 42.5% calculated at 2013 season year-end.

  344. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    YT-

    I prefer to think of 189 as a straightjacket.

    More apt analogy.

    :)

  345. blake December 6th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    Something just doesn’t add up.

    The Yanks want to stay on budget and keep things to one year…..but they have essentially let all those players go…. so are they inept or plotting something bigger?

    Not even making Chavez an offer was strange….makes me think something else could be going on

  346. austinmac December 6th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    This is supposed to be one of the best Rule 5 drafts today. Of course, JF tells us the Yankees can’t play because their 40 man roster is full.

  347. Mike Ri December 6th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Not even making Chavez an offer was strange?.makes me think something else could be going on

    —————————–

    hope your right . . .something has to give .

  348. austinmac December 6th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Blake,

    Something is up. Severe financial limitations are placed on Cashman. He can’t sign anyone without papal dispensation from Hal. That is crazy.

  349. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    If you believe Mr. Steinbrenner is selling you short, which he may indeed be, then your only protest is to not attend games, or buy merchandise.

    If the Attendance falls off a cliff they’ll feel it. Sale or not.

    The rest of it is totally out of our control.

    ;)

  350. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    All of you are doing what Humans tend to do when things look bad.

    Hope springs eternal.

    Thats’ where I’m at until I can’t be.

    The other option is just that you’re being screwed.

    Unfortunately, that’s possible too.

    :(

  351. Chip December 6th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    blake December 6th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    Something just doesn’t add up.

    The Yanks want to stay on budget and keep things to one year…..but they have essentially let all those players go…. so are they inept or plotting something bigger?

    Not even making Chavez an offer was strange….makes me think something else could be going o
    ———————

    Blake -

    I was seeing a few places last night saying that Chavez told the Yankees that he was signing with Arizona because he wanted to play closer to home. That’s why the Yankees didn’t make an offer – it wasn’t a money issue.

    As for the rest – I really think that the Yankees came into this offseason thinking that they could get similar players for what they did last year but the money being handed to role players (Gomes, Keppinger, Scutaro, Chavez) has been astronomical and has taken the Yankees by surprise and now they are trying to figure out what to do. Do they join in with everyone else and overspend on the marginal guys that are left or do they get into the fray on the few real difference makers out there or do they just step back and go with what they have internally and sink or swim with the kids.

  352. austinmac December 6th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    We have a middle of the pack farm system. The top projects have to succeed at several more levels until they are remotely ready to help.

    I will not be surprised at all to read Ichiro and Ibanez sign elsewhere shortly. Why wouldn’t they when Cashman can’t make them an offer?

    They have four enormous holes and no money to fill them. Not even enough to sign Schierholtz.

  353. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    “hope your right . . .something has to give “.

    It’s just blind hope at this point because nothing they are going makes sense…. Now if they were concerned about 2014 and wanted to fill the roster cheaply for this year then ok….at least that would make sense…..but they aren’t even doing that

    ….I guess options are still out there and maybe they’ll sign Youkaliis/Reynolds, Ichiro/Hairston etc all to one year deals at some point…..

    But to me it either seems like they are inept….they are being turned down by players….or
    That something bigger is in the works.

    Remember as Cash left the meetings last year they had almost no rotation….then he dealt for Pineda (blew up but it was a move) , Kuroda and Andy signed and suddenly they had a rotation.

    The big guns are still out there and nobody has been traded yet…..so there is still hope …. Even if JFs false hope

  354. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    “I was seeing a few places last night saying that Chavez told the Yankees that he was signing with Arizona because he wanted to play closer to home. That’s why the Yankees didn’t make an offer – it wasn’t a money issue.”

    Maybe….doesn’t seem like they fought all that hard for him though…..

  355. austinmac December 6th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Chip,

    We briefly discussed Cashman’s authority yesterday. It does appear, per Marchand, he must get specific authority for any outlay. It can’t be making Cashman happy to be at the meetings with no permission to act.

  356. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    The Yankees have been shopping Granderson since early November-No takers.

    Scott Boras just devalued Cano by saying he won’t sign an extension-so essentially, trading him is a one year rental for the other team.

    It’s looking like the Yankees will have to trade for their many holes. If the other teams want major league proven or ready players in return, the Yankees don’t have much, and what they do have weakens the team even further.

  357. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    It’s false hope

  358. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    YT-

    What have I been saying all along ?

    Trading is the way forward.

    Seems to be falling deaf ears.

    :(

  359. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    edit: falling on

  360. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    “The Yankees have been shopping Granderson since early November-No takers.”

    That they haven’t traded him doesn’t mean there are no takers….Cashman can’t even trade Grandy unless he can replace him first or have a good idea he cn replace him and perhaps teams are waiting to see his things shake out on everyone else……I would guess there is interest in Grandy should they decide to move him but Cash has to find the best fit for the most return if so

  361. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    Marshand tweeted late last night that they were willing to listen on Hughes and Nova as well

  362. Chip December 6th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    austinmac December 6th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Blake,

    Something is up. Severe financial limitations are placed on Cashman. He can’t sign anyone without papal dispensation from Hal. That is crazy.
    ——————

    I’m not sure it’s permission that he’s after so much as clarity.

    First of all, the one year deals aren’t out there – with the exception of Chavez, the guys that the Yankees have been interested in (supposedly) were Keppinger, Martin, Schierholtz and Scutaro. Think about the situations that those guys went to:

    Keppinger will be the every day 3b for the White Sox and got 3 years – the Yankees would have gone 2 years but wanted him in a super utility role.

    Scutaro – also got 3 years and an every day job instead of a role player job with the Yankees

    Martin got overpaid by Pittsburgh

    Schierholtz is going to a rebuilding situation in Chicago where he can count on getting 500 abs whereas with the Yankees he likely would have ended up in a bench role.

    as I said last night and again this morning, I think right now Cashman is trying to figure out from ownership whether they want him to overspend on role players or to invest their money in difference makers.

  363. J. Alfred Prufrock December 6th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    I don’t think there’s any doubt they’re trying to make a big move.

    In lieu of money, they’ll waste players, and what scares me is, owners who are looking to get out won’t care that Gary Sanchez may be the team’s next Jorge Posada, because he’s still probably 3 years away – 2 at the very least, given his position.

    This is a combustible combination – getting hounded by media and fans, and not really caring about the team’s longer range future. Of course, you don’t want to see Jeter’s last years with the team out of the running. However, I don’t trust Cashman or Billy Eppler to do anything right at this point. They created this desperate situation – it didn’t have to be this way. But I don’t even question that some deal is coming, it’s simple math, given ownership’s intractable position on spending.

  364. austinmac December 6th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Nolan Ryan says they can afford two big signings. Good for them and their fans.

  365. Chip December 6th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    “The Yankees have been shopping Granderson since early November-No takers.”

    That they haven’t traded him doesn’t mean there are no takers….Cashman can’t even trade Grandy unless he can replace him first or have a good idea he cn replace him and perhaps teams are waiting to see his things shake out on everyone else……I would guess there is interest in Grandy should they decide to move him but Cash has to find the best fit for the most return if so
    ———————-

    My guess is that the Granderson market takes shape after Hamilton signs. If the Mariners can’t get Hamilton and are still looking for LH power they may be interested in Granderson

  366. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    When you don’t have money to spend to get the things you want but have other assets you “barter”.

    It’s a surprisingly human activity.

    Been going on for eons.

    Works pretty darn well.

    ;)

  367. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    “as I said last night and again this morning, I think right now Cashman is trying to figure out from ownership whether they want him to overspend on role players or to invest their money in difference makers.”

    I kinda agree…..I think Cash is in the weeds on Hamilton and if Texas gets Greinke or refuses to go beyond 4 years then he may pounce for 5 or offer more money for 4 or an opt out or something

    I also think he’s probably trying to swing a trade…..

    They may not do anything at all…..but something is amiss

  368. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    JAP,

    I think the most likely trade is an over pay for Headley

  369. J. Alfred Prufrock December 6th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    It doesn’t work well if you have people making the decisions who don’t shine in evaluation.

    They’ve already done some bartering that has been less than impressive.

    The same people are going to the drawing board, and the odds are, their skills have not improved.

  370. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Chip-

    What you say makes sense.

    ;)

  371. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    “My guess is that the Granderson market takes shape after Hamilton signs. If the Mariners can’t get Hamilton and are still looking for LH power they may be interested in Granderson”

    Or braves if they can’t get Upton

  372. austinmac December 6th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Marchand says he has to get permission. Plus, there are no more difference makers out there. Hamilton and Greinke aren’t remotely on their radar. He is seeing if he can get one year money for Youkilis, in my judgment.

  373. Chip December 6th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    austinmac December 6th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Chip,

    We briefly discussed Cashman’s authority yesterday. It does appear, per Marchand, he must get specific authority for any outlay. It can’t be making Cashman happy to be at the meetings with no permission to act.
    —————

    I think that might be a little overblown – every GM needs final approval from ownership before signing a player. Again, that’s just a guess on my part – I don’t think Hal is saying no to anything I just think it means that Cashman hasn’t found anything that makes sense to bring to him for final rubber stamp.

    My great fear is that, in response to the public mocking that’s going on, Randy Levine steps in and does something stupid like he did with Soriano. The more he and Boras go back and forth the more serious I am in thinking that the Yankees need to trade Cano.

  374. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    JAP-

    then I guess you better hope they’ve improved.

    The other option is to do nothing.

    Thats’ OK with me too.

    It could be fun watching a team full of kids.

  375. J. Alfred Prufrock December 6th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    JAP,

    I think the most likely trade is an over pay for Headley
    ///

    And if they trade another catcher with that kind of upside for a 3rd baseman… lord knows what else they’ll need to get Headley….

  376. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Bowden is saying that Seattle is trying to provide pitching to Cleveland to facilitate and Upton/Cabrera deal….

    That all seems unlikely to me

  377. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Blake-

    Now if you’re Josh Hamilton do you want to sign with the Yankees, knowing that in one year Cano will not be hitting in the heart of the order with you? That the roster is filled with so many players gone after this coming season? You’d be going to a team under severe budget constraints, a team where monies, even new monies, are “pouring” in, in droves, but your owner will not dare spend it.

  378. brianlopez22 December 6th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    “When you don’t have money to spend to get the things you want but have other assets you “barter”.

    It’s a surprisingly human activity.

    Been going on for eons.

    Works pretty darn well

    Unfortunately, we have been trading and not doing a good enough job replenishing…
    That’s why we have no far to back-fill these positions

  379. Chip December 6th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    austinmac December 6th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Marchand says he has to get permission. Plus, there are no more difference makers out there. Hamilton and Greinke aren’t remotely on their radar. He is seeing if he can get one year money for Youkilis, in my judgment.
    —————

    Well I think that’s the conversation that they are hopefully having. One where Cash is saying “listen, I can overspend on role players like Mark Reynolds, or I can invest in a slugger like Josh Hamilton on a reasonably short term deal which might make the sting of losing Granderson and Cano a little easier to deal with.”

  380. Chip December 6th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    Oh, and if you really want something to feel ill about I’ll throw this out there for you:

    If Derek comes back and puts together a season like he did last year, does he opt out of the last year on his deal and tell the Yankees that he wants another 2 or 3 year deal at substantial dollars – and if he does, what do the Yankees do?

  381. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    “Now if you’re Josh Hamilton do you want to sign with the Yankees, knowing that in one year Cano will not be hitting in the heart of the order with you? That the roster is filled with so many players gone after this coming season? You’d be going to a team under severe budget constraints, a team where monies, even new monies, are “pouring” in, in droves, but your owner will not dare spend it.”

    If I’m the Yankees I sell it as we have made the playoffs every year but one since 1995 and as are committed to keeping that up…..

  382. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    And JAP. I don’t blame you one bit for being a skeptic.

    It’s been warranted of late.

  383. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    Chip-

    I included this article earlier. Cashman is frustrated too.

    http://bronxbaseballdaily.com/.....rs-budget/

  384. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    “And if they trade another catcher with that kind of upside for a 3rd baseman… lord knows what else they’ll need to get Headley….”

    I think it’ll take Hughes or Nova plus 2 of the top 5 guys

  385. brianlopez22 December 6th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    does anyone feel like we’ll even be outspent in the rule 5 draft?

  386. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    If I’m the Yankees I sell it as we have made the playoffs every year but one since 1995 and as are committed to keeping that up…..

    ——————————————–
    Blake-

    You’d be stretching the truth to Hamilton or any FA, based on what the players have seen and heard so far.

  387. brianlopez22 December 6th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Can we stop with the Headley talks?

    He’s not worth it if we have to clean out our already barren system.

  388. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Brian-

    No. That’s not how I see it.

    What you see is the result of priorities.

    The Yankees chose to stock up on Pitchers and Catchers first.

    I think they were at least partially successful with the Pitching.

    Their catching assets have been a combination of bad luck (Romine), and possible mishandling (Montero).

    The next wave are the position guys. Williams, Austin, Heathcott, and Flores.

    I believe the way things have evolved has been a conscious strategy.

    It’s a little frustrating but it takes time to take a barren Farm system and make something out of it.

    There has been a huge improvement.

    And the FA landscape and monetary aspects have changed on the fly.

    Not so easy to anticiapte IMO.

    That’s my take.

  389. J. Alfred Prufrock December 6th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    It could be fun watching a team full of kids.
    ///

    The real blue chip ones though aren’t really ready to step in.
    This was the whole issue in getting rid of ready players like AJax and Montero, and earlier, trading away a young ML player with a developing bat in Melky.

    It’s really remarkable how little heat they’ve gotten for getting rid of ALL THREE, which is why they sit where they do today, desperate to upgrade the lineup and having to resort to more blood-letting to do it.

  390. brianlopez22 December 6th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    If Headley was going to be had, it would have happened before the ARod hip surgery news.

  391. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    “You’d be stretching the truth to Hamilton or any FA, based on what the players have seen and heard so far.”

    Not really…that’s business….they do have some prospects coming and the plan is for them to pan out….that may not happen but that’s the plan they can sell….plus they aren’t gonna admit to letting Cano go…

  392. coney1 December 6th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Geoff Baker ?@gbakermariners

    Mariners said to be “very close” to landing Josh Hamilton. Depends on what happens with Zack Greinke over next few days http://blogs.seattletimes.com/.....-hamilton/

    Well there’s that

  393. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    If Derek comes back and puts together a season like he did last year, does he opt out of the last year on his deal and tell the Yankees that he wants another 2 or 3 year deal at substantial dollars – and if he does, what do the Yankees do?
    —————————————–
    Chip-

    I hope the answer is “Take it up with the new owners.”

  394. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    brianlopez22 says:
    December 6, 2012 at 8:23 am
    If Headley was going to be had, it would have happened before the ARod hip surgery news.

    Not really….they can’t make the Padres trade him when they want….they may not trade him at all

  395. J. Alfred Prufrock December 6th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    brianlopez22 December 6th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Can we stop with the Headley talks?

    He’s not worth it if we have to clean out our already barren system.
    ///

    brian, agree – at least, I am not giving up Sanchez for him, not even for Upton.

    By the way, Tyler Austin just made it to AA for the Eastern League postseason last year. He hasn’t breathed the air yet in Scranton, and will be starting in Trenton in 2013.

  396. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Remember Hamilton will go back and let the Rangers match. So I wouldn’t be too quick to make an official announcement.

  397. coney1 December 6th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    If Cashman is this frustrated with Cheap Hal, then no doubt he will leave after this season.

  398. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    “Mariners said to be “very close” to landing Josh Hamilton. Depends on what happens with Zack Greinke over next few days http://blogs.seattletimes.com/…..-hamilton/ …”

    I don’t buy it….I can’t see Hamilton going there at all and think his agent is just using Seattle to leverage his market ….you have to have teams interested out there to build a market…..I think Seattle would have to blow him away with money and years and that’s no really their style…..JMO….but a bad team in a big park in the north west doesn’t seem ideal for Hamilton to me

  399. brianlopez22 December 6th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    MTU –

    I am not disagreeing with you that it takes time to make something out of nothing.
    My point is, that is has been nothing.

    You mention a focus on pitching?
    Where is this animal you speak of?

    We have no developed 1 pitcher who projects to be anything but a good #3, if that.
    Nova, Phelps, Warren, Marshall? None are #1s or #2s.
    Banuelos and Betances? If they’re not careful, they may end up like their 3rd killer B.

    The Yankees ignored their farm for over 10 years.
    Have mishandled pitching talent for equally as much.

    I hope Banuelos comes back stronger.
    I hope Pineda will not be the next Carl Pavano
    I hope, I hope, I hope…..

  400. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    JAP-

    I’m sorry but I just can’t agree with you on all that.

    Some of it maybe.

    For instance. The Ajax part. It’s easy to use 20/20 hindsight.

    Ajax was always a good defender but he was also a K machine w/o power. You could say it was a lack of insight but it’s hard to be sure IMO. Granderson did some pretty good things for us.

    I’m sure most us would not make that trade with what we see now.

    I always liked Melky but there have been serious problems with him.

    Don’t want to delve into the Montero thing again.

  401. J. Alfred Prufrock December 6th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    I think it’ll take Hughes or Nova plus 2 of the top 5 guys
    ////

    I love switch hitters, and they need a 3B and they need overall offensive help desperately, but can’t do that.

    If they were so utterly desperate to be rid of Montero and his perfect Yankee Stadium bat, they should have gone after corner IFs who could swing it using him. Now they’re going to be down two potential franchise-type catchers in less than a year, because they are bumbling idiots.

    Gets better and better with these folks running things.

  402. brianlopez22 December 6th, 2012 at 8:30 am


    Not really….they can’t make the Padres trade him when they want….they may not trade him at all

    My point is, if the Yankees wanted Headley bad enough and SD was willing to part ways with him, it would have happened before the ARod news appeared.
    I agree. I think SD sits tight on him.

    J.A.P.-
    I wouldn’t trade Sanchez or Austin for anyone right now.

  403. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    I’d rather watch Austin and Adams and Romine play than a bunch of old stop gaps….

    At least those first guys may get better

  404. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    I’m not convinced that Greinke will take the Dodger or Angels offer. He might want to go to Arlington. If he does, Hamilton is probably gone and the Rangers will then shop Andrus for Justin Upton to replace Hamilton.

    Just my 3 cents.

  405. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    “I love switch hitters, and they need a 3B and they need overall offensive help desperately, but can’t do that.”

    It depends on which of those players for me….,and if I could get a window for an extension and how much the extension would cost…. Headley is good and he’s young enough to stick around for awhile …Id give a lot for him but it can’t wipe out the system…..Id want to keep Sanchez and at least one of Heathcott/Mason

  406. austinmac December 6th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Over the next 3-5 years I see no reason the Mariners can’t be more competitive than the Yankees. They have young pitching we do not have. They will spend.

    The Yankees are old, with no replacements in view(without binoculars), several of their better players likely to leave in a year and no money. The Yankees are not an attractive landing spot.

    At the press conference today, let’s see if Cashman discusses fielding a championship calibre team, a competitive team or a representative team. His demeanor will be like a whipped dog.

  407. J. Alfred Prufrock December 6th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Ajax was always a good defender but he was also a K machine w/o power. You could say it was a lack of insight but it’s hard to be sure IMO. Granderson did some pretty good things for us.

    I’m sure most us would not make that trade with what we see now.

    I always liked Melky but there have been serious problems with him.

    Don’t want to delve into the Montero thing again.
    //

    They’re all lack of insight, IMO. All lack of patience.

    I don’t know what serious problems you mean – it seems to me, Melky is a victim of a kind of ethnophobia around here.

    He did nothing but have a solid 2009 that showed his right-handed swing was coming of age and that we had an evolving, 25 year old, legit switch hitter in our midsts.

    He hit .391 to help them get into the World Series, to boot. This “serious problem” with Melky – what is it, exactly? And I need something tangible, please.

    Montero? The Yankees will never hear the end of that – and they shouldn’t. You don’t trade a bat like that – for pitching – when the cupboard is bare. It was a silly, silly trade and if they go on and trade Sanchez, well, they just are deaf to the lessons of Yankee history.

  408. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Brian-

    There has been plenty of mishandling during the learning curve.

    That’s unfortunate but also understandable IMO.

    A team does not have to produce a string of Aces.

    Good solid mid-rotaion starters are plenty valuable in my eyes.

    You also fail to mention a guy like D-Rob. Who is a stud.

    I undertsand your frustration but I think you’re letting it get to you too much.

    In any case, we cannot know for sure what are in the heart and minds of the Yankee brass.

    We only try to deduce it. Doesn’t mean we’re right.

    It’s why I say that relying on prospects to pan out is risky buisness.

    Especially with the young arms. Most risky of all.

  409. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    “I’m not convinced that Greinke will take the Dodger or Angels offer. He might want to go to Arlington. If he does, Hamilton is probably gone and the Rangers will then shop Andrus for Justin Upton to replace Hamilton.”

    I think Greinke will have to take less money from Texas….but his wife is from there I think and he may feel more comfortable there than LA …so if Texas gets close he may pick there……

  410. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Boy that 2/18 or whatever for Melky is lookin good right now……

  411. J. Alfred Prufrock December 6th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Id want to keep Sanchez and at least one of Heathcott/Mason
    ///

    They’re not going to be able to swing it without 2 of the 3. There’s the rub.

  412. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: #phillies top CF candidates are revere, bourn, fowler, granderson & hamilton, says @DKnobler

  413. J. Alfred Prufrock December 6th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    I think it’s 2/17 and yes, it sure does. So not going there may cost, in effect, Gary Sanchez. Because if you had Melky, then maybe they’re a little more open to something like Adams at 3B, etc.

    They could always sign Hamilton and avoid all this… not happening, either…

  414. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    “They’re not going to be able to swing it without 2 of the 3. There’s the rub.”

    If I could do a deal for Headley with Hughes/Nova, Austin and then one of Hearhcott/Mason then Id strongly consider doing it …. Then Id Sign HAMILTON! ….and try to sign EJax to an affordable deal

  415. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: #Rangers’ pursuit of Upton driving blockbuster – and may indicate that they are confident of landing Greinke. Story:
    http://t.co/zRUtJo91

  416. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    JAP-

    “They’re all lack of insight, IMO. All lack of patience. ”

    Let’s just say we agree to disagree on some of this.

    Anyway, I doubt they’ll make a signifcant trade though I hope they do.

    You’re more likely to retain what you want.

    :)

  417. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Cashman is hancuffed by Hal.

    Trying to trade Granderson for a month now to free up money to sign a better FA.

    Timing is just not very good to bring in one of the better Free agents to fill one of the holes.

  418. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Blake-

    I believe that Rosenthal tweet. Greinke might not want to be in LA and Upton will now replace Hamilton, plus Towers will get the SS he has wanted all along-Andrus.

  419. pkyankfan69 December 6th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Who are we going to try and sign only to get spurned today???

    Mcgehee? Nick Johnson? Farnsworth? Chad Qualls?

  420. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: #mariners bat targets include hamilton, bourn, upton, swisher. team prez chuck armstrong said payroll could go past $90M

  421. J. Alfred Prufrock December 6th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    austinmac December 6th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Over the next 3-5 years I see no reason the Mariners can’t be more competitive than the Yankees. They have young pitching we do not have. They will spend.

    ///

    Austimac,

    The Yankees do have some talent a ways away, as you know, but if they would see the development through, we could have a good young crop in a few years. If Sanchez makes it tot the Bronx, if Williams and Heathcott are spared and continue to develop…Flores is already a mature left-handed hitter, and I saw him put a charge into the ball with true power to straight-away CF, twice, in games I attended this past season… we also have some good pitching in Jose Ramirez, Bryan Mitchell, DePaula..we’ll see where Campos is this year in terms of health… Manny’s still here… I haven’t given up on Dellin, either.

    Lot of interesting kids at a lower level, like Andujar, Gumbs, Feliz….

  422. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    I believe that Rosenthal tweet. Greinke might not want to be in LA and Upton will now replace Hamilton, plus Towers will get the SS he has wanted all along-Andrus.”

    That’s when we swoop and get Hamilton! I still have a hard time seeing that 4 way deal working…..

  423. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Ultimately I think Texas will have to cave and give Andrus if they want Upton….

  424. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Blake-

    Sorry that was more than a tweet. If Greinke signs with the Rangers, they can bag the 3 or 4 team deal and just get Upton directly from Arizona.

  425. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Blake-

    Realistically.

    Do you see Hal approving such a large expenditure for a guy like Hamilton ?

  426. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    The two prospects I least want to trade are Sanchez and Heathcott

  427. austinmac December 6th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    They are not going to bring in a long term 3B when they owe their current one over $100M.

  428. ac1 December 6th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Instead of then signing their 10th choice, just move forward with the kids. We don’t want Mark Reynolds or anyone else like that. If they aren’t going to sign AJ and they aren’t going to seriously offer something to Youkilis, then just tell us this is our team and move on. I don’t believe they will even trade Granderson anymore…..

  429. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Blake-

    Hamilton might have been in play if Cashman had been able to find a taker for Granderson’s salary.

    Keep up hopes for him though! :)

  430. Mike Ri December 6th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    New Post —>

  431. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Blake-

    Towers seems to want a high quality ss.

    Whoever gives him one gets JU.

    Texas and the Braves are well situated.

    They have just been stubborn about it.

    The Rangers can afford it best. They have Profar.

  432. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    “Sorry that was more than a tweet. If Greinke signs with the Rangers, they can bag the 3 or 4 team deal and just get Upton directly from Arizona.”

    They could get Upton any time they wanted if they would give Andrus…..the whole point of that multi team deal is 1) Daniels trying to get Upton without giving Andrus 2) towers trying to get both Andrus and Cabrera.

    That’s why I can’t see it working……if Daniels is gonna cave and give Andrus then he will just cut those other teams out

  433. MTU December 6th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Blake-

    Not me. I move Heathcott in a heartbeat for the right deal.

    His chances of staying healthy are very low IMO.

    That makes him very tradeable.

  434. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    “Hamilton might have been in play if Cashman had been able to find a taker for Granderson’s salary.

    I think he could move Granderson if he wanted….he just can’t do it until he can replace him

  435. J. Alfred Prufrock December 6th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    If I could do a deal for Headley with Hughes/Nova, Austin and then one of Hearhcott/Mason then Id strongly consider doing it …. Then Id Sign HAMILTON! ….and try to sign EJax to an affordable deal
    ///

    I might consider it for Upton, if I could be convinced his shoulder will hold together, though of course they would likely demand more… and I think I would send Heathcott, simply because he thinks he’s a Kamikaze pilot… I really like Heathcott, though. Like Williams, too, and Williams, to me, is a smoother CF than Heathcott, who I like better for a corner spot.

    If you traded one of Hughes/Nova and one of HC/MW, and you signed Hamilton and also had Upton, you could then trade Gardner or Granderson, or both, and turn them into something else.. think I’d rather turn Joba back into a starter than trade for EJax…

    Upton, Hamilton, Cano fixes the offense…

  436. CrimsonKing December 6th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    I tell my kids this all the time – there is a difference between not having the money to buy something, and not wanting to spend the money on something.
    Lets face it, these FA’s suck out loud. To drop money on them, just because they are there, is foolishness. “Hey, honey, I have a Save 5 dollars coupon on pertrified dog crap, isnt that awesome? I save 5 bucks!”
    You make an offer of what you are willing to give, if they dont like it, you move alone. These guys are nothing to break the bank on.

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