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Afternoon notes on the way out of Nashville

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 06, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’m about to head for the airport, but a few quick notes before I leave:

• Interesting story from Dan Barbarisi who reports that Brian Cashman did not have the authority to make offers here at the Winter Meetings. Hard to know whether that meant he wasn’t allowed to offer anyone, no matter what, or if he simply had to run his suggested offers by ownership before putting anything on the table. The story does seem to explain why Cashman has been so adamant about the fact he didn’t make an offer to anyone who signed elsewhere.

• I talked to one source today who said the Yankees never asked the Padres about the availability of Chase Headley. However, the source said that wasn’t an issue of not being interested, it seemed to have more to do with just how crystal clear the Padres have been about not trading their third baseman.

• In talking to a few executives outside of the Yankees organization, the trade value of Phil Hughes is significantly diminished because he’s a free agent at the end of the year, and Ivan Nova is seen as no more than a No. 4 starter. The lack of a standout upper-level pitcher — or upper-level position player for that matter — could make trades more difficult.

• In addition to the Yankees one-year, $12-million offer, Kevin Youkilis apparently also has some multi-year offers in the range of $16-18 million. That’s according to Ken Rosenthal.

• Third baseman Jack Hannahan could choose a team today, Jon Paul Morosi reports. Morosi does not list the Yankees are one of the teams in the mix.

• The Astros have claimed RHP Mickey Storey off waivers from the Yankees. Storey is one of several fringe relievers the Yankees have claimed this winter.

 
 

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291 Responses to “Afternoon notes on the way out of Nashville”

  1. DONNYBROOK December 6th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Like someone had to report that Cashman was impotent at these Winter Meetings???

  2. chicken little December 6th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Problem as I see it regarding making trades — because the Yanks have no upper level prospects, in order to pull off a deal of significance, the Yanks need to trade players on the active roster. That is fine, but for example, if the Yanks trade Granderson for a 3B or RF or even prospects, then they need to go out and get an OF. Since Hal won’t permit any big ticket items (let alone small ones), the Yanks in essence either have to play the kiddies at multiple positions, sign Youklis types to stupid contracts, or basically go with fringe crap.

  3. Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    joeman December 6th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
    joeman December 6th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    just asking..why couldn’t the Yankees make a run at Wil Myers

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    Depends on if the Yankees have the pitcher the Royals want. Would the Royals give up Myers for Hughes and others.

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    guess it depends on what the others are….could they toss joba or Gardner in

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    Others meaning minor league talent. Joba is a spare part in the pen and Gardner is a piece but not something that wows you.

  4. austinmac December 6th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    The Yankees have evidently decided to fill their many holes via trades. It is unfortunate they don’t have much anyone wants. Should they have considered this when Cashman was not allowed to bring the check book for free agents?

    By the way, I am relieved their are no games tomorrow. Thanks for clearing that up, Brian.

    No trades of our prospects please. They are the only hope going forward. Trade anyone of the active 25 man roster.

  5. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 6th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Did Cashman really say that there are no games tomorrow? Next, he’ll be telling us that there’s no Santa Claus. :P

  6. Warning Track Power December 6th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    As much as I wanted Chavez to return for another season, I can’t blame him for wanting to play in AZ, near his home.

    As for Youk, well I guess he would be a good fit on the 2013 team.

  7. Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    By the way, I am relieved their are no games tomorrow. Thanks for clearing that up, Brian.

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    My sides hurt from laughing

  8. JoeyVegas December 6th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Here’s something else. All these teams are in the mix now, in the offseason. If the Yankees get stopgaps or play youngsters in a couple of these positions, they will be in better position to pick up salary mid-season when the KCRs, MINs, ARIs fall (way) out of contention and get a . I think there should be more talk of reasonable trade options like Johnson from AZ, Doumit/Plouffe from MIN, Hanigan from CIN, Francisco from ATL or Denorfia from SD and then make the big score for Hart, Choo, Headley or Aramis or somebody like that mid-season. The pitching should keep the Yankees in the race until then. I say get Ichiro, make a couple small trades and ride it out until A-Rod gets back and the trade deadline.

  9. Out Pitch December 6th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Yankees Offer Youkilis One-Year Deal to Play Third
    By TYLER KEPNER

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....-at-third/

  10. joeman December 6th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    joeman December 6th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
    Against All Odds
    Others meaning minor league talent. Joba is a spare part in the pen and Gardner is a piece but not something that wows you.

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    wait…Gardner is the starting LFer for the New York Yankees….what wouldn’t he be a big part of the OF for KC…

  11. Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    joeman December 6th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Against All Odds
    Others meaning minor league talent. Joba is a spare part in the pen and Gardner is a piece but not something that wows you.

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    wait…Gardner is the starting LFer for the New York Yankees….what wouldn’t he be a big part of the OF for KC…

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    Because Gardner is not the type of player that can be a big part of a deal unless the team trading for him thinks highly of Gardner. I like what brings to the team but he doesn’t make or break the team.

  12. yankfan1 December 6th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    The two Twins CFs netted the Twins two top prospects and a 4/5 starter. Like to think Garnder is around their level

  13. joeman December 6th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    I for one thinks Hughes,Gardner & Joba gets the Royals the division

  14. UnKnown December 6th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    I see the Halos over paid for Blanton, 15m over 2 yrs.

  15. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    I for one thinks Hughes,Gardner & Joba gets the Royals the division

    They might get the royals the division but they won’t get the Yankees Wil Myers.

  16. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    Alex Gordon may be more the Yankees price range.

  17. joeman December 6th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
    I for one thinks Hughes,Gardner & Joba gets the Royals the division

    They might get the royals the division but they won’t get the Yankees Wil Myers.

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    LOL

  18. brianlopez22 December 6th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    KC is not trading this blue chip for 2 broken arms, like cashman did.

  19. brianlopez22 December 6th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Plus, if I want anyone from KC’s system it’s Bubba Starling

  20. Niblick December 6th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Brian Cashman, confirmed eunuch.

    They good have saved a lot of hotel and bar bills if the Yankees had just left him on the roof of that building in Stamford.

  21. fantasygame101 December 6th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    if pitching is the key to the yankess success this yr and they have no plan to add significant batters then losing granderson will not be a big deal. Trade granderson for a couple of near ready prospect with one of the them a 3b. Re-sign ichiro then depends on pitching to get the team to the promise land.

  22. jacksquat December 6th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Gardner as of right now is the Yankees full time leadoff hitter (Jeter #2), and probably CF, so yeah, he’s pretty important to the team.

    Joeman, your schtick is getting old. Everyone knows you don’t like Gardner by now, so you can drop it.

    KC wants a 1/2 quality pitcher because they think with their offense they can compete in that division. So they aren’t trading the offensive players they have.

  23. scuzzles December 6th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Yanks should pick up Damon. He’s at home sitting by the phone combing his hair. He’s not more of an adventure in the outfield as Swisher and hes CLUTCH. Something this team knows nothing about.

  24. SoS December 6th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    By the way, I am relieved their are no games tomorrow. Thanks for clearing that up, Brian.

    ==========

    Can we at least have a game within a game?

    Dear Mr. Cashman or is it Nocashman,
    I would like a right fielder that isnt closer to 40 than he is 30. Can hit .270 with 18+ homeruns and can catch a ball with his glove not his hit (see Conseco). I would also like a catcher that can bat over his weight and if he cant frame well. Supersize his glove. A dh (see righfielders stats) that does not have to play musical chairs. Lastly, I would like a third baseman with blinders on(not able to see muy caliente fans). A guy who can field his position, make contact when we need to move runners and score with less than 2 outs. And hit a 3 run shot in the third game of the world series against a shut down closer.
    I will make sure to leave you cookie crums and non fat milk next to the tree (we all have to cutback).

    Signed,
    Sultan of Swat

  25. jacksquat December 6th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    I don’t like the idea of Youk on the Yankees, but if it means they just spend their money instead of trading top prospects for only so-so players in return, I prefer they just spend money.

  26. theREALkevin December 6th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Thank God joeman has nothing to do with running the Yankees. Gardner has plus plus speed, a .355 career OBP, and is one of the best defensive OF’s in baseball. And joeman would probably trade him for a bag of baseballs. it’s hilarious.

  27. Giuseppe Franco December 6th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Good grief. I see some things haven’t changed much in the last 3-4 years.

    joeman’s solution to every Yankee problem is packaging some combination of Gardner, Hughes, Joba, and Nova (as well as Montero until the trade).

  28. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Lets Go Tribe! Git er’ done! Bring home your boy, youkilis! You can do it!!! he’s tito’s BOY!!!

  29. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Good summary from RABs of Yankees current payroll and how much might be left to finish the 25 man roster:

    Existing Contracts ($121M): Alex Rodriguez ($28M), CC Sabathia ($23M), Mark Teixeira ($22.5M), Derek Jeter ($17M), Robinson Cano ($15M), Curtis Granderson ($15M), David Aardsma ($500k)
    Players Signed In Offseason ($37M): Hiroki Kuroda ($15M), Andy Pettitte ($12M), Mariano Rivera ($10M)
    Projected Arbitration Salaries ($15.8M): Phil Hughes ($5.7M), Boone Logan ($2.8M), Brett Gardner ($2.8M), David Robertson ($2.7M), Joba Chamberlain ($1.8M)
    Buyouts & Dead Money ($8.75M): A.J. Burnett ($8.5M), Pedro Feliciano ($250k)

    That adds up to $182.55M for only 15 40-man rosters spots, and that’s real dollars being spent. It’s not average annual value for luxury tax purposes.

    Rest of article:

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....two-80107/

  30. blake December 6th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Jerkface says:
    December 6, 2012 at 4:10 pm
    Alex Gordon may be more the Yankees price range.

    I’ll take him to but I don’t think they want to trade him

  31. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    open tryouts for 3b in ST. best man gets the job! Let’s do this!!!!!

    we don’t need no stinkin youkilis!

  32. blake December 6th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Mariners have discussed three-year deals with Hamilton in range of $20M to $25M per season.

    Swoop Cashman swoop….screw you hal

  33. blake December 6th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    @NYDNHarper: For those asking, Olt considered a blue-chipper. Scout says: 30-plus HR potential but “has some holes in his swing.” Should be ok in OF.

  34. blake December 6th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    @jcrasnick: Ian Stewart signing a deal to return to #cubs, according to sources. Details not yet available.

    Cubs signing all the scrubs

  35. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Hamilton on only a 3 year deal would be great for a team. Too bad the Yanks don’t spend big money anymore. They could spend whatever they want this year and then he would only be on the pay roll for 2 more years.

  36. SoS December 6th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Last time we had a question mark at an infield position Cano came in and shocked the world. Who can be Cano 2.0 coming in from the minors(hits better in the big leagues than in the minors)?

  37. blake December 6th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Get Hamilton!

  38. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Who can be Cano 2.0 coming in from the minors(hits better in the big leagues than in the minors)?

    Corban Joeseph, David Adams, or Melky Mesa I guess.

  39. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    The Mets are kidding themselves if they think they are getting Myers or any of the Rangers top prospects for a 38 year old. They are just wasting time in even asking.

  40. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Ys Guy-

    Liked your reference to Monty Python’s In Search for the Holy Grail.

    Players that the Yankees could have signed for near peanuts that would have helped if Cashman was allowed to do his job:

    David Ross-2 years, 6.2M. Would have been an adequate tandem with Romine
    Eric Chavez-3M-Yes I know that he supposedly wanted to move closer to home
    Involvement in trading for Michael Young, especially if the Rangers were picking up all that money as rumored-half of the 16M.

  41. SoS December 6th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    There is one deal that needs to be done ASAP. No questions asked. Cant believe it has not been mentioned already. We need to get Wilson Bettimet at all costs and flip him for an almost all star player.

    jerkface,
    Who do you think will be the first minor leaguer to be given a chance this season?

  42. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Who do you think will be the first minor leaguer to be given a chance this season?

    No idea, probably romine at this rate

  43. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    SoS-

    Romine.

  44. blake December 6th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Trade for young

  45. mick December 6th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    If Arod retires do Yanks or he get the insurance money and does his salary come off the books?
    If they know this will happen , why not spend?

  46. blake December 6th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Young rejected trade to Philly

  47. blake December 6th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    mick says:
    December 6, 2012 at 4:50 pm
    If Arod retires do Yanks or he get the insurance money and does his salary come off the books?
    If they know this will happen , why not spend?

    If he retires then yes it comes off the books…..if he just stays on the DL for 5 years becashe he can’t play then it stays and Hal pockets the insurance $

  48. mick December 6th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    I cannot believe this cap is being done for the paltry savings some make it out to be.

  49. mick December 6th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Young rejected trade to Philly
    ==================
    He wants to come here.
    bye bye youk.

  50. joeman December 6th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Giuseppe Franco December 6th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    Good grief. I see some things haven’t changed much in the last 3-4 years.

    joeman’s solution to every Yankee problem is packaging some combination of Gardner, Hughes, Joba, and Nova (as well as Montero until the trade).

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    1 down 4 to go

  51. SoS December 6th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    It makes too much sense for Young to be our third baseman.
    1. He was Alex’s best man at his wedding.
    2. He took over Alexs role when he left Tex. De ja vu?

  52. mick December 6th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    If he retires then yes it comes off the books…..if he just stays on the DL for 5 years becashe he can’t play then it stays and Hal pockets the insurance $
    ==============
    I read here that arod has insurance too. Is this possible?

  53. mick December 6th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    1. He was Alex’s best man at his wedding.
    2. He took over Alexs role when he left Tex. De ja vu?
    ===============
    Thought he was good friends with Jete.
    Isn’t that mutuallu exclusive to being friends with Alex?

  54. blake December 6th, 2012 at 4:57 pm


    I read here that arod has insurance too. Is this possible?”

    Sure….just personal insurance like disability I assume.

  55. mick December 6th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    blake, where did you see that news on Young?

  56. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Good for Young. Now the Rangers aren’t free to spend like crazy. They might have been thinking trade Young and sign Greinke, Upton and Hamilton.

  57. ac1 December 6th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    If Alex retired (which he won’t) it would just come off the books and no insurance money would come back. Works for everyone not named Alex.

  58. Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    mick December 6th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    I cannot believe this cap is being done for the paltry savings some make it out to be.

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    How much are they saving because I’ve seen fans on RAB and other boards say they will net 50 million.

    I get the feeling some fans don’t really understand how little they are actually saving.

  59. blake December 6th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    I would approve of a Micheal Young deal….he’s not a good defender anymore but he can play several positions and is a tough AB…..gamer…..get him

  60. blake December 6th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    mick says:
    December 6, 2012 at 4:58 pm
    blake, where did you see that news on Young?

    Sources

  61. mick December 6th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Young could backup Jeter and get most of the playing time at 3rd and not mind it like prima donnas like Keppinger and whoever.

  62. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    They just said on MLBN that the report of Young turning down the deal isn’t true. It might have been a fake report.

  63. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Sources? you are an insider?

  64. SoS December 6th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Thought he was good friends with Jete.

    ========

    Mick,
    Didnt catch Alex saying that he the only guy in the Rangers lineup he is not affraid of is Young. If he did then Yes, Jetes his new bff.
    Looking up mutuallu as we speak. Wish mel was here to translate Hawaiian.

  65. Lost December 6th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    It amazes me how people read what they want to read instead of what is actually being said. I do not claim to be super articulate and most of the time I am in a rush, but clearly the interpretations of what I say are very often taken out of context.

    Arod is “considering” in other words “has thought about” the possibility of retiring. Even he doesn’t know how he’ll be after another surgery. He’s thought about it quite heavily, “What if I can’t play anymore?”, “What if I can’t drive the ball like I used to”. I don’t think that’s all that far fetched.

    Facts:

    * He isn’t going to retire if it doesn’t work out that he gets paid
    * He absolutely loves playing baseball
    * His ego is stronger than his common sense

    It’s not a great big CIA-like conspiracy, perhaps there is a lot of the story left unsaid. I’d bet the farm that Arod 100% does not finish out his contract.

    I say it’s 50/50 if he even gets a single MLB AB this year. If it happens that he doesn’t, or that his injury prevents him from being a productive player that “he” expects himself to be his baseball career will be over.

    Hint:

    Look away from the light..

  66. joeman December 6th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Koji Uehara is a decent sign..

  67. Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    mick December 6th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    1. He was Alex’s best man at his wedding.
    2. He took over Alexs role when he left Tex. De ja vu?
    ===============
    Thought he was good friends with Jete.

    —————-

    He’s friends with all three. I remember some Yankee fans saying trade Cano and bring in Young because he is friends with AL, Jete, & Tex

  68. blake December 6th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    mick says:
    December 6, 2012 at 4:58 pm
    blake, where did you see that news on Young?

    I have a radio….seems they did retract it though… So I dunno

  69. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    so the only way hal collects is if arod stays dled for 5 years?

  70. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    I have a radio….seems they did retract it though… So I dunno
    ===============
    a radio is not a source

  71. Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Michael Young will win a batting title this yr – Millar

    Can we get a face palm smiley

  72. blake December 6th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    “I say it’s 50/50 if he even gets a single MLB AB this year. If it happens that he doesn’t, or that his injury prevents him from being a productive player that “he” expects himself to be his baseball career will be over.”

    Problem though is unless he has enough private insurance that he can actually retire .. And walk away from the contract…..then it doesn’t help the Yanks much…..they need him off the books…..maybe he has enough personal insurance that he could do it?

  73. blake December 6th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    “a radio is not a source”

    It’s an information source….was wrong apparently

  74. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    sultan

    i think you know mutuallu means mutually in hawaiian.

  75. Giuseppe Franco December 6th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    I’ve got a somewhat dumb but serious question regarding A-Rod and the insurance the organization has on him.

    Typically, as with car, health, life, etc, etc, insurance is there some sort of monthly premium we all pay.

    So do the Yanks pay a monthly premium or lump sum for this kind of insurance on a player and who exactly collects these premiums???

    Inquiring minds wanna know if anyone has the answer.

  76. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    radio is a bad source, almost as bad as the internet

  77. blake December 6th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    mick says:
    December 6, 2012 at 5:03 pm
    so the only way hal collects is if arod stays dled for 5 years?

    If he’s deemed medically unable to play then the Yanks collect 70% of his contract to my understanding…..but Alex will still be on the taxable payroll so Hal will just pocket that money most likely

  78. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    an insurance co. would collect the premium .

  79. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    so the only way hal collects is if arod stays dled for 5 years?

    if A-rod is on the DL for an entire season they can begin to collect insurance. So they’d get insurance for that year. If he plays, no more insurance. If he retires, no insurance. If he ‘retires’ aka the Yankees buy out his contract because he physically cannot play anymore, then they get insurance.

    A-rod has his own insurance which will probably pay him either way.

    The only way the Yankees TEAM benefits from A-rod retiring is if he forfeits his contract. That is the situation where the Yankees do not collect insurance, but they also get off the hook for his contract.

  80. blake December 6th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    “So do the Yanks pay a monthly premium or lump sum for this kind of insurance on a player and who exactly collects these premiums???”

    I don’t know of sure but Id assume there is a monthly premium they just pay to whoever the insurance company is

  81. SoS December 6th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Is it time to put Jete in the outfield? We always figured the day would come. Could this injury be the perfect out for the Yankees ala retirement for Alex? We could trade Grandy for a shortstop Cabrera etc. or a right fielder.

  82. blake December 6th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    JF,

    Do you think there is any way Alex has enough private insurance on himself that he would actually retire should he be unable to play?

  83. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    Its not that easy for athletes to get disability ins.
    The risks and all.

  84. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Jete could go to 3rd and nunez to SS

  85. SoS December 6th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    Call me crazy. But I always saw Alex retiring before the end of his contract. I see him walking away from some money knowing he cannot play up to his potential and contract. Ok let me have it.

  86. Patrick December 6th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    Jete could go to 3rd and nunez to SS

    I think this would be a good idea but the Yankees already said they aren’t moving Jeter.

  87. SoS December 6th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    sultan

    i think you know mutuallu means mutually in hawaiian.

    ========

    mick,
    That was my second guess. The first was Hawaiian.

    Does he have the arm to play third? Would that take more of a toll on his ankles/legs than the outfield?

  88. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    The yankees say a lot of things, Jeter might not have a choice if he is physically slowed by this injury.

  89. Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    Does Jeter have the arm for third?

  90. joeman December 6th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
    The yankees say a lot of things, Jeter might not have a choice if he is physically slowed by this injury.

    ——————————————–
    he’ll have a choice..he’ll retire

  91. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    I don’t see Young as a great liability in the IF.

  92. Lost December 6th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
    so the only way hal collects is if arod stays dled for 5 years?

    if A-rod is on the DL for an entire season they can begin to collect insurance. So they’d get insurance for that year. If he plays, no more insurance. If he retires, no insurance. If he ‘retires’ aka the Yankees buy out his contract because he physically cannot play anymore, then they get insurance.

    A-rod has his own insurance which will probably pay him either way.

    The only way the Yankees TEAM benefits from A-rod retiring is if he forfeits his contract. That is the situation where the Yankees do not collect insurance, but they also get off the hook for his contract.

    -

    I’m off after I say this for the last time:

    If Arod is deemed “unable to play baseball” due to a “career ending” injury, death or illness, a good portion of his contract is covered for the remaining years left on his contract.

    Jerkface:

    I know you and I have discussed this and I accept your position, but what you are saying is not entirely true. Just because one player had insurance in a certain capacity, it doesn’t mean that it is the same for all players. There are multiple groups/policies involved with Alex.

    - signing off -

  93. blake December 6th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    I think the best solution for SS long term is to try and trade Granderson for a good prospect at the position after signing Josh Hamilton…..and then if that doesn’t work try to sign Andrus in 2015

  94. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    you need a stronger arm at ss than at 3rd.

  95. Lost December 6th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Jerkface:

    I apologize for saying you are incorrect. I misread what you stated above. That’s mostly the gist of it from what I was told as well. Talk later.

  96. SoS December 6th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    I’m off after I say this for the last time:

    If Arod is deemed “unable to play baseball” due to a “career ending” injury, death or illness, a good portion of his contract is covered for the remaining years left on his contract.

    =======

    Taking a line from Stepbrothers: Sooooo….

  97. blake December 6th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    I don’t think it’s the insurance that’s the question…..the problem is that unless Alex officially retires then he stays on the luxury taxable payroll am that’s a problem……

  98. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    still not buying the savings of only 2% by resetting the cap.

  99. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Lost is losing credibility.

  100. JobaTipsHisCap December 6th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    looks like Youk won’t sign with Yanks, this makes Joba feel great.

  101. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    any “source” joba?

  102. blake December 6th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Against All Odds says:
    December 6, 2012 at 5:16 pm
    Does Jeter have the arm for third?

    If you can play SS you can play 3B……but they aren’t moving Jete

  103. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    jete can be moved if he feels he cant play there anymore.
    its also the only way nunez will gt his shot

  104. Bronx Jeers December 6th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    Why would ARod take out $130MM worth of disability insurance on himself if he’s guaranteed that money anyway?

  105. LGY December 6th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    If Hamilton’s market really is only 3-4 years the Yankees HAVE to sign him

  106. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    jete should eventually realize 3rd is his best shot at extending his career and going for the rose record

  107. The Return of Stoneburner December 6th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Who can be Cano 2.0 coming in from the minors(hits better in the big leagues than in the minors)?

    Corban Joeseph, David Adams, or Melky Mesa I guess.

    *****

    Joseph and Adams have hit well in the minors – Joseph hitting for more power the last year and has shown patience – - – -

  108. blake December 6th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    If Arod had himself insured for enough of his contract so that he could walk away and retire without losing millions then maybe he would…..i dunno

  109. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    How is he guaranteed the money if he retires?

  110. The Return of Stoneburner December 6th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Why would ARod take out $130MM worth of disability insurance on himself if he’s guaranteed that money anyway?

    ******

    Dunno – not suprised by anything ARod says, does not say, does or does not do anymore – - – -

  111. blake December 6th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    LGY says:
    December 6, 2012 at 5:26 pm
    If Hamilton’s market really is only 3-4 years the Yankees HAVE to sign him

    I keep thinking this as well….surely Cash is ready to pounce on a guy that would destroy yS and put mad butts in the seats…….if they can really get him for 4 years then i don’t see how they can pass unless he just doesn’t want to come

  112. blake December 6th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    “Why would ARod take out $130MM worth of disability insurance on himself if he’s guaranteed that money anyway?”

    Maybe to cover other revenue streams …endorsements etc that he may lose if he can’t play anymore…..who knows

  113. The Return of Stoneburner December 6th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Young would not decline a trade to Yanks – good friends with Tex – believe at wedding of Tex – - – -

  114. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Joseph and Adams have hit well in the minors – Joseph hitting for more power the last year and has shown patience – – – -

    Yea, but so did Cano right before he got called up. OPS’d .900 in AAA the year he came up. Adams, Joseph, and Mesa aren’t highly regarded prospects, so I think one of them coming up and being a kind of perennial all-star type like Cano would be a big pleasant surprise.

  115. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Keep sleeping Cashman…
    ————

    Sweeny Murti?@YankeesWFAN

    Raul Ibanez has said he wants to come back to NYY but PHI SEA TB also interested. Could Yanks snooze and lose on him too?

  116. blake December 6th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    mick says:
    December 6, 2012 at 5:27 pm
    How is he guaranteed the money if he retires?

    He isn’t if he actually retires….he doesn’t have to retire to be unable to play

  117. JobaTipsHisCap December 6th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    no source; just my wild guess…..

  118. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    I don’t really care about the insurance money, how it is handled, or the amount paid. It is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things because the only thing that matters is whether or not A-rod’s contract will continue to count against the luxury tax.

    And in every situation except the one where A-rod forfeits his entire contract (and thus all the insurance) it will count towards the luxury tax.

    Best not to get caught up in the insurance.

  119. blake December 6th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner says:
    December 6, 2012 at 5:30 pm
    Young would not decline a trade to Yanks – good friends with Tex – believe at wedding of Tex – – – -

    They may not want to trade him there though

  120. LGY December 6th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    I have to assume Alex would only collect on his policy if a doctor declares he is longer fit to play baseball.

    I highly doubt he can just say this isn’t working for me anymore, retire, and collect. So basically, imo, he won’t have much say in the matter.

  121. The Return of Stoneburner December 6th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    blake December 6th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    The Return of Stoneburner says:
    December 6, 2012 at 5:30 pm
    Young would not decline a trade to Yanks – good friends with Tex – believe at wedding of Tex – – – -

    They may not want to trade him there though

    *****

    That’s true – - – -BUT I think they may want to get rid of his contract more than worrying about this New York bias they have down here in Dallas and Yankees envy – especially if it means finding money to do Greinke and others – - – -

  122. LGY December 6th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    So basically, I don’t think there’s anyway Alex retires unless he’s forced to retire.

  123. jacksquat December 6th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    I think Adams was more highly rated before he had injury problems.

  124. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    If Jeter is at 3rd,if and when Alex comes back, then you have a whole other kind of controversy.

  125. oak2455 December 6th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    What makes me sick is the Yanks complain about $$

    Yankee Global Enterprises is a three-engine money-making machine. The baseball team generated $325 million in revenue from regular-season tickets and luxury suites in 2010. The YES Network, the team’s 34%-owned regional sports channel, is the most profitable RSN in the country and had over $400 million in revenue last year. The Yankees own a stake in Legends Hospitality Management, which manages stadiums, and generates $25 million in operating income.

    Also, what’s not included is the rise in value of the franchise, which is over $100 million …..

    So I understand where Hal is coming from ;)

  126. The Return of Stoneburner December 6th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    . OPS’d .900 in AAA the year he came up.

    ****

    True – but it was his second tour with Columbus – his first tour he did not crack .800 OPS in AAA – Joseph actually had better numbers in his first tour of AAA

  127. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    It is fishy.
    Hal prints money in the Yankee Stadium basement and he’s worried about the luxury tax?

  128. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    True – but it was his second tour with Columbus – his first tour he did not crack .800 OPS in AAA – Joseph actually had better numbers in his first tour of AAA

    Does it really matter? Joseph’s best year in the minors came at AAA, pretty interesting and fits the model of a guy who didn’t do that well then came into his own like Cano.

  129. kd December 6th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    i don’t think arod will want to hit 230 with 10 bombs a year. and remember, he wanted to give up 50 million to play for the red sox. money might not be as important as his place in the game

    he also ‘came back’ to the yankees after his opt-out with the help of goldman sachs, one of the few firms that posted a profit in 2008. he’s covered for just about anything. if he does retire, he’ll get most of his money from the yankees, if not all. and insurance.

    i think if the power is gone, he’s gone. he’s got his ring. he’s not going to be a singles hitter

  130. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    if he does retire, he’ll get most of his money from the yankees, if not all.

    No he won’t. If he retires his contract is voided, so he won’t get any of the remaining money. Certainly not from the Yankees.

  131. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    arod should be in fenway where he could destroy their wall and break records and not make the HOF.

  132. The Return of Stoneburner December 6th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    placing value on prospects is almost like the stock market – one year Slade Heathcott is frowned upon – he has a nice June – October 2012 – and now he is back in the graces – Nunez went through a similar deal – Ravel Santana is going through the brunt of it now – Betances has done too many trips on that boat – very volatile – and not many got on the Tyler Austin bandwagon until recently in Charleston – - – -next time this year Bird may be the word – - – -

  133. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Mr Rodriguez , tear down that wall…

  134. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    prospects are penny stocks.

  135. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    not necessarily IPO’s.

  136. The Return of Stoneburner December 6th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
    True – but it was his second tour with Columbus – his first tour he did not crack .800 OPS in AAA – Joseph actually had better numbers in his first tour of AAA

    Does it really matter? Joseph’s best year in the minors came at AAA, pretty interesting and fits the model of a guy who didn’t do that well then came into his own like Cano.

    ****

    Jospeh has always been considered a good hitter – even when he was drafted out of HS – it would not come as a suprise if he can hit. Now – if he can play defense well – that is another story and play defense at another position than 2b – - – -

  137. Giuseppe Franco December 6th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    I certainly understand the appeal to signing Josh Hamilton but I also believe signing him would be one helluva risky investment as well – perhaps more so than most other players of his stature.

    I wouldn’t be crazy about shelling out that kind of scratch for someone (as freakishly talented as he obviously is) who still needs a babysitter due to his well documented history of substance abuse in addition to legitimate questions about his durability (he will be 32 yrs old in May).

  138. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    I think Hal agrees with you.

  139. mick December 6th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    Mike thinks Youk is a gamer and wants him here…

  140. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    Jospeh has always been considered a good hitter – even when he was drafted out of HS – it would not come as a suprise if he can hit. Now – if he can play defense well – that is another story and play defense at another position than 2b – – – -

    Dude, its just a fun little discussion about a prospect that might come up and out hit their minor league numbers. Why you gotta be like this? Cano also had good scouting reports on his hitting tools, it was always defense that was holding him back.

  141. The Return of Stoneburner December 6th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    Jospeh has always been considered a good hitter – even when he was drafted out of HS – it would not come as a suprise if he can hit. Now – if he can play defense well – that is another story and play defense at another position than 2b – – – -

    Dude, its just a fun little discussion about a prospect that might come up and out hit their minor league numbers. Why you gotta be like this? Cano also had good scouting reports on his hitting tools, it was always defense that was holding him back.

    ******

    Just saying it would not be a surprise if Joseph or Adams hits in the majors – I think that is something we can all agree on – not trying to be any certain way – I actually though the discussion would end after my original post – - – -apologizes if I let it go on too much and will not reply if you post again – even if there is no agreement about Jospeh and Adams – - – -

  142. PacoDooley December 6th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    I think LGY is right – Alex could potentially be certified as unfit to play (by a doctor) and then essentially be retired, but paid. It would not help the 2014 payroll (if it were to happen prior to then) since he would count against the payroll. But it would mean that the team could use his money elsewhere (but still have to manage luxury tax issues).

  143. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    If Corban Joseph came up and hit .770 to .800 OPS it would not be a surprise. If Corban Joseph came up and hit like Robinson Cano it would be a surprise. Now you can properly frame this very minor discussion that you jumped all over.

  144. kd December 6th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    he’ll get a buyout from the yankees. he could just try to play and get all of his money. if he retires he has leverage as his salary won’t could against the luxury tax anymore and will allow for flexibility.

    arod will get paid. he just might not play again

  145. PhiltheThrill December 6th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    It’s not going to be terribly unusual for good hitting Yankee prospects to hit better in the pros than they did coming through the system. From low A up to Scranton, the Yanks home ball parks are pitchers parks in one shape or another (they either hold down total O, or obp or homers). If you saw Cano in the minors, you knew he would hit. Unless you were a paid pundit. Most of those chipmunks missed on Cano.

  146. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    he’ll get a buyout from the yankees. he could just try to play and get all of his money. if he retires he has leverage as his salary won’t could against the luxury tax anymore and will allow for flexibility.

    arod will get paid. he just might not play again

    If A-rod gets a buyout his contract will count against the luxury tax. So I don’t see the Yankees doing that unless they’d get the insurance money from the buyout, but since these contracts and a-rods specifically are mentioned as requiring a year+ of DL time before kicking in, they’d more than likely just keep him around so they can collect the insurance.

  147. The Return of Stoneburner December 6th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    If Corban Joseph came up and hit .770 to .800 OPS it would not be a surprise. If Corban Joseph came up and hit like Robinson Cano it would be a surprise. Now you can properly frame this very minor discussion that you jumped all over.

    *****

    I tried – it would not suprise if Joseph hits – he has the patience and developing power – what would be a suprise is if he plays gold glove defense – and yes – Cano’s first season he had a .778 OPS and then his next season he had a .890 OPS – is that far from what Joseph could do – no – he was drafted as a good lefty hitter coming out of HS – the fact that he is not some darling of the websites I could hardly care about – but he has a hit tool – and it would not be suprising – just like it was NOT suprising that Cano hit the way he did when he came up – - – -now I tried to be nice and apologize – but if you are going act like a real jerk b/c someone joins in and disagrees with your assessment of who is highly regarded and what would suprise people – then so be it – - – -

  148. The Return of Stoneburner December 6th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    Also the way it was phrased – if he comes up and hits like Cano – Joseph could very well do a 2005 Cano – he has the potential and has always been graded as having the bat – whether he has the career and matures more – that I do not know – but could he have a Cano rookie type impact if given the chance – that would not surprise me – - – -

  149. kd December 6th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    jerkface,

    i was unaware. then i guess he’s gonna ride the pine for the last few years of his deal. that’s gonna be ugly.

  150. PhiltheThrill December 6th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    Adams and Joseph, with any health luck, will both hit in the majors, and could be really useful guys if they decide to wait for the kids who are even better hitters to show up.

  151. Patrick December 6th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    I don’t think there’s any way Corban Joseph has an .890 OPS in the majors at any point in his career.

  152. chicken little December 6th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    YankeesWFAN Raul Ibanez has said he wants to come back to NYY but PHI SEA TB also interested. Could Yanks snooze and lose on him too?

    if this works the way I think it will — Ibanez’s agent will call Cash and say for $6 mil you can have Raul, but we need to know now. Cash will go to Hal, and Hal will force Cash to propose a low-ball offer of $3 mil because Cash told him at the budget meeting that $3 mil would get the deal done (or Hal will say if you offer him $6 mil then you lose $3 mil from the $10 mil I allocated to fill 6 holes in the lineup). Cash will then dance around an offer, before telling the agent he can’t really make offers but if Raul takes $3 mil maybe there is deal. The agent will say $6 mil is our discounted price. Raul will then sign with Sea, Phil or some other team for $8 mil, there will be all sorts of conflicting reports about what the Yanks did or didn’t offer, and eventually Cash will say something like we never made an offer, I am still working on some trades, market place is too rich for our blood, beggars can’t be choosers.

  153. austinmac December 6th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    As one who negotiates for a living, if that’s how Cashman operates, no wonder he gets no deals. He needs to come with an offer and not a what if.

  154. blake December 6th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: Greinke talks reaching critical stage. #Dodgers considering pulling out and moving on to other pursuits.

  155. Bronx Jeers December 6th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    @brianmacp: Kevin Youkilis on the Yankees: “I can’t comment on that stuff right now.”

    ———-

    I really can’t believe we spent an afternoon thinking Kevin Youkilis could be a Yankee.

    WTF Yankees?

  156. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    so did the indians land the big fish or are we gonna be stuck with that smelly thing?

  157. Chip December 6th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    IF that story about Cashman’s not overblown – if it’s a situation where he had to take every proposal back to Hal (as opposed to being given an overall number to work with) then shame on the Yankees and shame on Brian for allowing that situation to develop.

    I get that ownership needs to sign off on all moves, but to not even have the freedom of making an offer on guys totally neuters your general manager.

    By the way – with Revere going to the Phillies I think we can cross them off the list of possible landing spots for Granderson

  158. Chip December 6th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    austinmac December 6th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    As one who negotiates for a living, if that’s how Cashman operates, no wonder he gets no deals. He needs to come with an offer and not a what if.
    ——————-

    More to the point, agents and other general managers need to know that he has the power to make a deal. If he can’t, why would they waste their time talking to him about hypotheticals when other GMs are out there with the ability to actually make moves.

  159. blake December 6th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    “By the way – with Revere going to the Phillies I think we can cross them off the list of possible landing spots for Granderson”

    Braves….need a LFer….they put a lot of stock in character….and they have actual players the yanks could use

  160. blake December 6th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    But again you can trade Granderson until you add somebody to replace him

  161. RayVT December 6th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Yankees need Granderson! IMO, the Yanks need to sign Ichiro & trade Gardner.

  162. Chip December 6th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    blake December 6th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    But again you can trade Granderson until you add somebody to replace him
    ———————–

    Meh – Granderson hit a lot of home runs but his inability to make contact or get on base hurt as much those home runs probably helped.

    If the team moves Granderson, re-signs Ichiro, moves Gardner to CF and gets something useful for him I’m ok with that.

    Personally – I’m still hoping for a deal with Arizona for Kubel (who also strikes out too much) and Chris Johnson.

  163. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    They’d have to be real careful in any gardner trade. Gardner could be their LFer and leadoff guy in 2014. Granderson will be on anothr team

  164. Chip December 6th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    RayVT December 6th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Yankees need Granderson! IMO, the Yanks need to sign Ichiro & trade Gardner.
    —————

    Frankly I would deal both Granderson and Gardner if I could – Cano as well.

  165. RayVT December 6th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Chip December 6th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    If the Yanks aren’t going to commit the money for Cano, then I’d tend to agree. Hopefully someone has a plan to sign Cano.

  166. BIG AL December 6th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    So, it’s now made official by Hal, he has castrated Cashman, and Cash is just a puppet, and Hal is pulling his strings.

    This is known as the blind leading the blind.

    2013, the NYY miss the playoffs, as Hal makes the announcement the team will be sold. One could only wish it were true that Hal would sell soon, and to a group like the one that purchased the Dodgers.

    If there is a make shift team on the field for 2013, it is my hope the majority of fans do not attend games at YS, buy any NYY garb etc. The only way to send a message these morons in the FO understand, is to keep $$$$ out of their already bulging pockets.

  167. Giuseppe Franco December 6th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Cashman really isn’t any more castrated by Hal than other Yankee GMs of yesteryear when King George ruled with an iron fist, specifically in the 70s and 80s.

  168. adrs87 December 6th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    I believe we should start bracing for what this team will actually be on opening day. i’m on this surreal state, kind of a survivor mode and i say, if we’re going down , lets go down with the adams and mustelier at third. for god’s sake they’re like 25+ . Im Just sick and tired of people telling me they’re not ready and they need more seasoning down in AAA. throw them out there and see what they give us and lets hope for a cano 2.0 type of thing again . get ross,hairston or just good ole ichiro. start working on the bench and try to get a few decent player to accept a spring training invitation. im sure they’ll find a few, since this free agent class SUCKS !!!

    idk what else, if anyone else cares to elaborate , go to town on it. :\

    sincerely,

    Not a happy fan.

  169. RMS December 6th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    Since the Yankees can’t spend money, why offer Youkilis 12 million? What did he hit .235?
    Put Nunez at third, hope he doesn’t get too many grounders, and leave him there. At this stage of his career, I’d take him over Youkilis. Nunez is good offensively and will be better than Youkilis, who is on the downside of his career.

    Use that 12 million if you have to get someone for RF and don’t want Ichiro. And get someone you don’t have to platoon.

  170. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    RMS im with you! nunez is the best option and it leaves space for adams and whoever else to develop into a major league 3bman. at no cost.

    i say nunez will be better than youkilis next year anyway.

  171. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    it looks to me like youkilis is doing the classic “use the yankees to get more from someone else’ strategy.

    make it work youk! i hope the indians cave and give him 2+ and option!

    Go Tribe beat those Yankees!!!

  172. mick December 6th, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    It was the same thing around here last December, remember?
    We came up with 95 wins but that wasn’t good enough.
    You get the feeling that if we don’t buy our championships, Yankee F’fans” will never be happy.

  173. chicken little December 6th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Here is what I don’t get. The grand plan seems to be get under 189 million no matter what. Unfortunately, various factors have made it evident that there will limited funds to spend next year but even more holes to fill. Unfortunately also even if all the highly touted prospects become stars (big if) at best maybe one or two will be on the 2014 roster as rookies. Even in the crazy world we live in the $20 million+ threshhold is primarily saved for the Cy Young winners or MVPs.for as good as he has been, Cano has yet to put together an MVP season. Why would the Yankees consider paying him over $20 million in the hope that he finally hits 40 hrs drives in 130 rbi and carries the team longer than a month? Wouldn’t they be better served looking through trade or free agency for a few 20-25 hr types or 15 game winners that don’t cost as much? Seems to me the $ allocated for cano which undoubtedly will be primarily from pettitte month and kuroda’s last dance would be better served being allocated over the next year or two to 3 solid players as opposed to one potential star. Particularly since there are currently pretty much no key contributors signed to affordable long term contracts on the club right now. This way in 2 to 3 years from now when the purse strings hopefully get loosened there may be a core of solid veterans a couple of young talents and room to sign the star or two needed knowing tex and airod will soon be off the books as opposed to having to deal with an aging cano who has never quite put it together.

  174. mick December 6th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    I thought I heard Cash say he can’t comment about the Youkilis “offer.”
    Could this whole thing be made up?
    He could have said he made no offer.

  175. mick December 6th, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    In fact, right now, I feel, with our staff, and whomever we pick up, we are winning the AL East.

    How about them apples?

  176. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    If they cant comment, it means something is happening.

  177. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Mick is a FAN!!!

    Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!

  178. mick December 6th, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    I have to listen to the question posed to Cash re: Youkilis.
    It was along the lines of does he think Youkilis could help them.
    They want him for a BU1B as much as for 3B. It’s up to him.
    Why go to Cleveland, he doesn’t need the money, he needs the intensity of a race.
    Yankee fans will love him here.

  179. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    nobody who has moved so far was worth what they went for to the yankees.

  180. chicken little December 6th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    I think the problem is that to the rest of the English speaking world an offer means for example we are prepared to pay you $12 million to play for us. To the Yankees an offer is we may be interested in paying you some money that we can’t discuss with you until you agree to play for us at whatever number we tell you after you sign a contract with us.

  181. Bronx Jeers December 6th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Cash said the “$12MM offer” wasn’t accurate.

    Could have been 13 mil for all we know.

  182. oak2455 December 6th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Well if we don’t get Youk then go in house n use the money on someone else…… Blake tell who you’d like :)

  183. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    i dont want youkilis. its not because he was a red sock, its not because i think he sucks. it’s just that i believe that the ‘in house’ options will be just as good as youkilis. and i believe it’s time to leave a space for these kids to come up.

    im pretty confident youk will be ok if they sign him. i just want our guys to cover third.

  184. oak2455 December 6th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    18 million for Yoooooooouuuuuuk

  185. mick December 6th, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    What I don’t get is the revolt here by so called fans that prolly leave in the 7th inning with the Yanks down a run.

    Who exactly should Cashman have “bought” this year?

    This market is crap.

    Do you buy things just for the sake of it when you go shopping or do you buy what YOU think you need?

  186. oak2455 December 6th, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Agreed in house

  187. oak2455 December 6th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    Josh!?!!

  188. oak2455 December 6th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Ohhh n Mick I stay the whole game baby!!! But they have no RF, no 3rd baseman , and no Catcher ….. Ohhhh n they wanna get rid of Granderson so where is our offense coming from? This should be good

  189. mick December 6th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Talk to me on Opening Day if they don’t have a RF, C or 3B by then…

  190. oak2455 December 6th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Ohhh Swish says hi too

  191. oak2455 December 6th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Ohhh they’ll have players just hoping its not for the tball league

  192. oak2455 December 6th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    *** from

  193. Giuseppe Franco December 6th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    I do believe that Cashman’s current contract, which expires at the end of 2014, will be his last as the Yankee GM.

    Not necessarily because Hal and Co. may/could fire him (especially if we are currently seeing the beginning stages of the sinking of the Titanic as many Yankee fans fear) but simply because he doesn’t want to be viewed as the scapegoat if such a downswing became reality (not unlike Theo’s situation when he left Boston) thereby tarnishing his “legacy.”

    I was a supporter of Cashman for a very long time and usually gave him the benefit of the doubt when he made a number of bad decisions. Being the GM of a MLB franchise is a tough gig and bad decisions are going to happen in this business.

    But my support for the job he’s done the last couple of years has plummeted through the floor, particularly regarding trades and acquiring/developing young pitchers – specifically starting pitchers.

    I guess we’ll see how things shake out in 2013 and ’14 but his revelation to the media about being hamstrung this week by ownership seems to be distancing himself from them for the lack of engagement this week in addressing their obvious holes.

  194. tomingeorgia December 6th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Mr. mick,
    I’m a fan, too, and it was refreshing to here a single encouraging word here. Fact is, I agree with you. Pitching is fine for the time being, shoes will drop in our favor, and I want to see the kids, too. Let’s go, Yanks!

  195. Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    mick December 6th, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    What I don’t get is the revolt here by so called fans that prolly leave in the 7th inning with the Yanks down a run.

    Who exactly should Cashman have “bought” this year?

    This market is crap.

    Do you buy things just for the sake of it when you go shopping or do you buy what YOU think you need?

    ———-
    It’s not just about this off season. It’s the lack of foresight, the lack of a plan, the farm system not being what it should, etc

  196. Tar December 6th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    Can someone tell me how or why this story leaked out that Cashman needs approval before he negotiates with a FA?

    This is a club that is very tight lipped when it wants to be, so how does something like this get out?

    I’m thinking they wanted it out. So my next question is why did they want that particular message out for general consumption? I’m drawing blanks there.

  197. RMS December 6th, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    Ohhhh n they wanna get rid of Granderson so where is our offense coming from?

    =========================================================
    They are keeping Granderson. Who else can hit homers besides him, Tex and Cano. And you know Cashman loves those lefty power hitters.

  198. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Obviously people that spend all god damn day on a Yankee blog are just second rate fans.. yeeeeeep.

    You guys could at least try constructing decent arguments.. it always falls back on people just not being fan-ly enough. That’s weak sauce sh*t.

  199. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    this ‘authority’ thing is freakin ridiculous. are there no phones in nashville?

  200. Tar December 6th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    “Who exactly should Cashman have “bought” this year?”

    Here we go again Shame.

    Someone needs to re-post Gloves post from last night. Im too busy eating delicious Chicken Parmesan.

  201. Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    mick December 6th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Talk to me on Opening Day if they don’t have a RF, C or 3B by then…

    ———————

    There will be players at those positions but what are the chances they are better than the players they’re replacing

  202. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    i have never questioned anyone’s fan-dom.

    but people freakin over jeff keppinger need another hobby.

  203. mick December 6th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    No. It’s about so called fans who are spoiled.
    Those who love to sound smart.
    It’s never fashionable to be positive anymore, negativity gets the headlines.
    People just LOVE to complain.
    Heck, I do it myself too, but how smart is it to rehash the same thing day to day, year to year.
    Go back a year and you will see the same BS by the same know-it-alls.
    We made it to the g-dam ALCS. Were Swisher and Martin the reasons for that?
    Should we have jumped on Keppinger and Chavez as they would have been the keys to success?
    Don’t the moves of last year warrant any credit?
    I guess not. We didn’t win a WS…

  204. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    It’s not just about this off season. It’s the lack of foresight, the lack of a plan, the farm system not being what it should, etc

    ——————–

    Don’t bother OAA, we can list the reasons all we want and they’ll just be ignored as complaints of people that are not true fans. OBVIOUSLY we are just mad about not signing guys like Chavez, Kepp, and Youk.. cause what else is there to be upset about in Yankee land?! Everythings fine. The offense is fine. We’ll win 95 games because we have mystique and aura playing for our club!

    IT Guy: You know that scene in Indiana Jones where the giant ball rock thing is chasing him?

    Me: Yeah.

    IT Guy: Remember how he gets on the phone and is like, “START THE PLANE!”

    Me: Yeah.

    IT Guy: There is no plane.

    Me: …yeah.

  205. mick December 6th, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    Obviously people that spend all god damn day on a Yankee blog are just second rate fans.. yeeeeeep.
    ================================
    Either that or people who have time to kill on their jobs…

  206. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    Heck, I do it myself too, but how smart is it to rehash the same thing day to day, year to year.

    —————–

    As soon as they do something else we hate we’ll move onto a new topic! :D

    It’s just been a bit static lately.

  207. mick December 6th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Pseudo-intellectuals need not apply at LoHud.

  208. mick December 6th, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    There will be players at those positions but what are the chances they are better than the players they’re replacing
    =======================
    I bet they said that about Ibanez last year.
    Or was it this year…

  209. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Tar December 6th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    “Who exactly should Cashman have “bought” this year?”

    Here we go again Shame.

    —————–

    We can list the same stuff on repeat.. it will be ignored. Nothing done last year has anything to do with this year. No reason to worry about 2014 until it comes. No reason to panic in early December (btw, no one is panicking, we’re just annoyed everything we were talking about last year is still an issue but whatevs). There’s still time. It’s still early. We still might sign Hamilton lol. Sure! Why not!

    We just offered over ten million dollars to beg Kevin Youkilis to come play for us but obviously we’re in good shape.

    I’d love to know who our 2014 3B is when we won’t let anyone from the minors play an inning.. should be good times!

    Can Bernie still play the OF? He hasn’t retired yet. He’ll bring some gritty veteran presence this team lacks!

    …………….There is no plane.

    There is only Jennifer Lopez looking at wedding rings with her backup dancer boyfriend.

    Please, for the love of god, show me I’m wrong Brian. Show me.

  210. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    keep it up Mick! im with you.

    Let’s Go Yankees!

  211. Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    mick December 6th, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    There will be players at those positions but what are the chances they are better than the players they’re replacing
    =======================
    I bet they said that about Ibanez last year.
    Or was it this year…

    ———————————–

    That’s not going to work every yr. You can’t go dumpster diving every off season and say I hope these FAs work out.

  212. mick December 6th, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Y’s….On to the Knicks….fight the good fight my friend…

  213. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Do I need to post the lyrics to Bon Jovi’s Something to Believe In? Do I?!

  214. Tar December 6th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Ok Chicken Parm done.

    This is for Mick, Tom, Y and anybody else who comes up with the condescending “keppinger protocol”
    on why we are not happy with the state of affairs. Thanks Glove

    G. Love December 6th, 2012 at 12:25 am
    The problem, as I see it, was there was never any real preparation for this budget crutch they are using.

    They traded Montero for Pineda. Was that supposed to accomplish all the goals?

    If the minute the CBA was signed the team had been making moves in advance to prepare for this, fans would be more on board.

    It’s the intense lack of planning that we’re reacting to.

    They could have traded Swisher & Granderson well in advance of this knowing they couldn’t afford to sign them long term and had decent replacements in place already.

    They could’ve negotiated 2 years ago with Cano and already had him locked into his extension that would’ve ended in his late 30?s instead of his 40?s which his eventual deal will extend him to with whoever signs it.

    They could’ve stockpiled IFA’s like Cespedes, Chapman, Darvish, etc. Those guys all would’ve fit into an austere budget.

    But instead, they did one thing. Trade Montero for Pineda. That’s it.

    And instead of saying “we know we need to get under 189 so we’re making these moves now to keep the team strong” they are publicly getting rejected by role player free agents.

    I know everyone thinks the Yankees have a plan, but I don’t agree. I think they have no plan other than procrastination. They wait until the problem is there to address it and that only worked when you could offer more to come here than any other team. Not to mention you have a platoon happy manager which tells any potential players that he will adhere to the binder spilts and take away at bats from them.

    This could’ve been handled much smoother, but instead the team is fumbling through this transition like a punch drunk fighter.

    There really is only one way to fix this and it involves Josh Hamilton. You sign him & Cano to be the middle of the order and keep the top positional prospects and hope those 2 bats hold the fort down and keep the team in the playoff hunt.

    If they put this all on Cano, it’s going to end poorly and he’ll walk. As it stands, he’s getting nothing to hit next season.

    If the team is that dead set on not paying luxury tax to avoid fixing the massive problems in the lineup, then the Yankees as we knew them have just jumped the shark.

    But the fact that they were in on Nate whatever-his-name is with their first offer tells me they are signing no one.

    The backlash isn’t even at a fever pitch yet. This will get ugly and end up forcing the Yankees into a ridiculous move when they have moves available that don’t cost the farm but only the money they seem to be hoarding.

  215. pkyankfan69 December 6th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    mick December 6th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
    Y’s….On to the Knicks….fight the good fight my friend…
    —————————————————
    When was the last time the Knicks were more promising than the Yanks?

    Knicks will probably go down tonight, second of back to back road games and its Miami, but they have certainly been fun to watch so far this year… They have a real shot @ the #2 seed in the EC.

  216. Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Everythings fine. The offense is fine. We’ll win 95 games because we have mystique and aura playing for our club!

    ——————

    I went to another board and I had fans telling me:

    They are saving 50 million
    They are going to be fine
    The holes can be filled easily
    189 is still the highest payroll in baseball(they didn’t even know the real number)
    By making no moves the Yankees have had the best off season

  217. Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    mick December 6th, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Y’s….On to the Knicks….fight the good fight my friend…

    ——————–

    No Melo unfortunately

  218. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    its december 6th. dont make assuptions about next year’s team til you see what next year’s team looks like.

    or dont and go buy yourself a nice new angels cap, more seats for the rest of us!

    as iv’e been saying, this fanbase really needs some culling anyway.

  219. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    i know, no melo…..

    i was very proud of them last night. yes it was charlotte and they handed the knicks the game with 5 turnovers in their last 6 possessions.

    but last year’s knicks would have handed that game right back to them.

    i feel like they are playing with house money tonight.

  220. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    i have never questioned anyone’s fan-dom.

  221. mick December 6th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    more like fan-dumb.

  222. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    did i question anyone’s fandom? no

    i just invited them to stop rooting for the yankees if they hate them so much.

    that’s not questioning anyone’s fan-dom.

    if a person says they are a yankees fan, thats fine with me. i just with some of the really spoiled ones would decide to root for someone else.

  223. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    wish not with…

  224. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    clearly there are people on here that hate most of the yankees players, the owner, the gm, and the manager.

    if they still want to call themselves yankees fans, thats fine.

    im just encouraging them to reconsider.

  225. Tar December 6th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    “its december 6th. dont make assuptions about next year’s team til you see what next year’s team looks like.
    or dont and go buy yourself a nice new angels cap, more seats for the rest of us!
    as iv’e been saying, this fanbase really needs some culling anyway.”

    You can be such an ass.

  226. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    im really hoping shumpert comes back whole. if the knicks had him challenging the opposing point guard above the arc it would make the defense alot better than it is, and it’s not too shoddy already.

  227. Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    No one on here hates the Yankees. Everyone on here is a fan on the team that they love. The spoiled theory isn’t right either. The upset fans aren’t saying go get Greinke,.Hamilton, re-sign Sori, and trade for Mauer.

  228. Bo knows December 6th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Pat Jordan on a “Lapsed Yankee fan”. Good stuff

    Make sure to read Alex Belth’s comments – Belth, the father of Yankee blogs of “Bronx Banter”.

    My favorite:

    Masochist; “Beat me, beat me”

    Sadist; “No”

    http://www.sbnation.com/longfo.....nkees-fans

  229. Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    Again its not hate just frustration.

  230. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Listen, if my position will be misconstrued I’m perfectly at liberty of misconstruing other peoples flimsy arguments: Suggesting someone roots for a different team because they ‘hate’ the Yankees (which makes no sense, since we’re all frequenting a Yankee blog) is the same as questioning if they’re a fan.

    But you guys like the Knicks, so obv mediocrity is meant to be celebrated in some circles.

    Remember when the Knicks were .500 and everyone was like, “Omg look how awesome we are!!”… if you wanna be that kinda fan, good for you. No one cares that you wanna be that kinda fan. I don’t get why people gotta care, it’s silly to care.

    But some of us wanna be great and I’d argue these peddlers of mediocrity are getting in the way more than any ‘spoiled’ Yankee fans.

  231. Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Shump is very important to the Knicks. It was tough to see him get injured

  232. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    “Masochist; “Beat me, beat me”

    Sadist; “No””
    _______________________–

    thats sooooo cruel….

    :)

  233. mick December 6th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    But you guys like the Knicks, so obv mediocrity is meant to be celebrated in some circles.
    ====================
    get with it…

  234. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    you guys like the Knicks, so obv mediocrity is meant to be celebrated in some circles.
    __________________________________________________________________________________

    mets fans used to say the same thing back in the mattingly era.

  235. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    mick December 6th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    But you guys like the Knicks, so obv mediocrity is meant to be celebrated in some circles.
    ====================
    get with it…

    —————

    I’m a Cowboys fan… when they won their ONE playoff game in the last 15 years do you think I celebrated?? Momentarily, sure. But pretty soon it was all about what they did the next week.

    I’m never gonna root for mediocrity.

    I’m not gonna sit around now going, ‘hey those Cowboys are .500, watch out!!’

    And I’m certainly not a spoiled Cowboys fan.. anyone born after the great early 90s run never had a chance to be.

    Some of us just like being great.

  236. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    @Buster_ESPN: Agent points out as a factor in Greinke talks:Because of taxes, LAD would have to offer about $180m just to match a $150m-ish offer from TEX

  237. mick December 6th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    I’m never gonna root for mediocrity.
    =======================
    you root for what you get, if you don’t it’s fairweather.

  238. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    “Some of us just like being great.”

    … a cowboys fan wrote this!

  239. mick December 6th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    did you root 95 times last year?

  240. mick December 6th, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    cowboys were great before you were born…

  241. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    you root for what you get, if you don’t it’s fairweather.

    If you settle you don’t get anywhere

  242. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    mick December 6th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    did you root 95 times last year?

    —————

    Would they have lost if I didn’t?

    No.. I rooted 162 times last year. I root every day. I’m here rooting while they’re not even playing!

  243. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Actually hoping Texas wins the Greinke sweepstakes and gives him 150 + million because 1) that’s a bad contract 2) because it’ll be unlikely that they will hand out 2 big contracts in the same offseason so they may let Hamilton go…..at which point Im hoping Hal will have approved Cashman to pounce.

    I think in the end Texas will get Upton….but the way I see it….Hamilton + Andrus > Upton…..so even if they do get Upton they’ll have to subtract Andrus to do it.

  244. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    the cowboys didn’t exsist before i was born. or the astros. or the mets.

  245. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    All my anger shows is a capacity for love.

    The most true form of love is loving someone that you know will never love you back. Ever.

    The Yankees do not love me but here I am…

    Typical spoiled Yankee fan!

    Don’t argue the love guys. If you’re gonna construct an argument don’t let it come to ‘not being a fan.’

  246. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Is that Tweet about the tax even completely true?? I tried crunching the numbers before and I don’t think that disparity is right.

  247. mick December 6th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    If you settle you don’t get anywhere
    =====================
    what have you done lately to improve your team?

  248. mick December 6th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    If you’re gonna construct an argument don’t let it come to ‘not being a fan.’
    ===================
    who said you weren’t a fan?

  249. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    December 6, 2012 at 8:44 pm
    Is that Tweet about the tax even completely true?? I tried crunching the numbers before and I don’t think that disparity is right.

    Buster is always accurate!

  250. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    anyway, lets get this trade thing moving.

    cashman has been suspiciously quiet, which probably means he’s in on that big 3 or 4 or 5 team trade with the diamondbacks somehow. trades like this are very fluid and the ramifications set other trades in motion.

    pretty much all of the scenarios people have posted that include the indians and diamondbacs are in play.

    something big is cooking and it’s not kevin youkilis (let’s hope)

  251. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    blake – I don’t think it can really make a 30 million dollar difference…

  252. Tar December 6th, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    One does not have to love the ownership, or like the direction of management, to be a fan of the Yankees. They are not mutually exclusive.

    The Yankees are forever, owners and management come and go.

    I root for and alway will root for the Yankees.

  253. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    December 6, 2012 at 8:47 pm
    blake – I don’t think it can really make a 30 million dollar difference…

    I have no idea….maybe they bend the tax codes on Texas for Nolan ryan

  254. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    anyway, lets get this trade thing moving.

    cashman has been suspiciously quiet, which probably means he’s in on that big 3 or 4 or 5 team trade with the diamondbacks somehow. trades like this are very fluid and the ramifications set other trades in motion.

    pretty much all of the scenarios people have posted that include the indians and diamondbacs are in play.

    something big is cooking and it’s not kevin youkilis (let’s hope)

    ——————-

    I hope this is 100% true… I dunno how we can deal from the MLB roster without opening a hole though.. I think to get any of the upper echelon players without giving up Hughes/Nova/Phelps or Grandy/Gardner… even giving up 2 of the 5 opens a hole because I highly doubt we can get a pitcher and OFer back for that.

    It could be multiple, smaller deals… maybe Grandy for a 3B, Hughes/Nova for a lesser OF piece (assuming other MiLB players are included in both deals).

    I think that still leaves an OF hole.. maybe just resign Ichi, and hope to god you can get Hariston (who everyone wants now?? ugh).

  255. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    grilled porkloin smothered in a vidalia maple glaze with some caramelized brussel sprouts and….looks like parsnips…..mmmmmmmmm

  256. blake December 6th, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    The problem with the Yanks being in that 4 team deal is that there is essentially no way that they and Texas can both be in….because they both would want Upton and Texas is the team that has the players to get him…..

    Only way I can see the Yanks getting Upton is if Texas just refuses to include Andrus and they get cut out….and they then figure out a way to make it work with Asdrubal…..with the Yanks helping to supply players to make both Cleveland and Arizona happy.

    I have my doubts that that 4 team trade will happen and think the most likely scenario where Upton gets moved is simply either the Braves or Rangers cave and give either Simmons or Andrus for him in a 2 team deal……

  257. Nick in SF December 6th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    What’s with all the anger in here? It’s like… yesterday.

  258. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    peyton manning or lebron james…..

    thats a GREAT choice to have!

    im switching back & forth.

  259. Pat M. December 6th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Frankly I think it’s time to start checking the Business Opportunity section of The Wall Street Journal, because we might see a listing for a professional baseball club for sale locally

  260. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    If I knew the different taxes in Cali and Tex I could do the numbers of course.. but these guys have accountants to get them out of paying as much in taxes as possible.

    You gotta believe a good one could stash that sh*t in a charity to make sure the discrepancy isn’t 30 million dollars.

    I think the Dodgers leaking they might move on is a ploy to counter the ‘my wife was a cheerleader in Dallas’ ploy lol. This is all just posturing for more cash.

  261. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    We need to have this fan conversations multiple times per year.. if we don’t the world might spin off it’s axis :D Then we say things like, ‘this is what happens when they’re not playing baseball!’ when really we have the same conversations both during the season and during the games themselves lol.

  262. blake December 6th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    “If I knew the different taxes in Cali and Tex I could do the numbers of course.. but these guys have accountants to get them out of paying as much in taxes as possible.”

    There is zero state income tax in Texas

  263. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    towers is pushing the rangers because he has somthing from cashman (or cherington?) in his back pocket.

    :)

  264. blake December 6th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    @Jim_Duquette: “@dustinparkes: According to @Evan_P_Grant, Michael Young vetoed a trade to the Phillies – disregard the last tweet I re-tweeted.

  265. The Return of Stoneburner December 6th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    A TALE OF TWO TWEETS

    Lost .. ?@LostNYY
    Dedicated #Yankees fans calling for Steinbrenners to sell team. Not just about budget, Don’t like current track record or direction.

    1h Joe Casale ?@sportsJC16
    @LostNYY more like panicked, spoiled, front running Yankees fans are saying that. Most of us are waiting to see how it shakes out.

  266. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    blake December 6th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    “If I knew the different taxes in Cali and Tex I could do the numbers of course.. but these guys have accountants to get them out of paying as much in taxes as possible.”

    There is zero state income tax in Texas

    ——————–

    I still can’t imagine it’s that different.. I thought we talked about this with the Reyes thing. They’re only taxed for games played in that city according to whatever state taxes are applicable, I think.

  267. blake December 6th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Pull the Youkalis offer and try to get Micheal Young

  268. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    And isn’t it over a certain income level.. so not all of his earnings for whatever state he’s playing in are taxed to begin with.

  269. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    blake 8:54 post is right on.

    but things are in motion…

  270. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    @reporterchris

    Ron Hainsey says the NHL told players last night that bringing Don Fehr back into the room was potentially “a deal-breaker.”

    You guys really haven’t even seen complaining this year.. go on a hockey blog lol, this place looks like a tea party.

  271. Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    I highly doubt that 30 mm difference. No one would play in cali. Baseball wages ade taxed based on the state you play in and then other taxes you pay is based on your residency. Greinke has a house in orlando so he can avoid some tax by claiming it as his primary residence. And a house in kc too.

  272. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    ” Most of us are waiting to see how it shakes out.”
    —————————————————-

    i hate it with i agree with sj44…..

  273. blake December 6th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    LA is trying to make Greinke decide by threatening to pull out….they want to move on if he’s going to Texas.

  274. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    ” Most of us are waiting to see how it shakes out.”
    —————————————————-

    i hate it with i agree with sj44…..

    ———————

    But you can say the same thing on repeat every season… like, literally every season.

    And the answer will never be that they were poorly constructed, it will just be ‘well that didn’t work.. lets see how it shakes out next year.’

  275. blake December 6th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    I’m gonna wait and see how things shake out as well….but Im still not wild about how Hal has been running things….. Prove is wrong Hal….as Jeter ways says….fans boo but they really want to cheer!

  276. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    blake December 6th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    LA is trying to make Greinke decide by threatening to pull out….they want to move on if he’s going to Texas.

    ——————-

    I doubt anyone seriously moves on but he should decide soon.. I can’t imagine this dragging on for more than another week or so. Once he falls, Hamilton signs and then the real fun begins (I hope!)!

  277. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    by ‘see how it shakes out’, i dont mean, see how the season works out.

    i mean, see how the offseason shakes out.

    thats very different.

    its december 6th.

  278. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    There was a time when I had so much more faith.. I never went into a Yankee off-season like the last one and this one where I legit thought they’d stand pat.

    I used to love going into the off season. I knew we’d do something to make us better.. always.. there was always an FA to target, always lots of chatter.

    And now I’m staring into the face of Kevin Youkilis wondering what life this is.

    I need to get my faith back….. and the Yankees need to help me.

  279. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Some people need to be in a church to find their faith.

    …some of us just need Josh Hamilton :D

  280. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    We were once the honey-badgers of baseball.. all day, every day – just taking what we want.

  281. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    http://www.memepin.com/pin/96

  282. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

  283. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    I think Team Greedy finally found it’s mascot..

  284. mick December 6th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Pull the Youkalis offer and try to get Micheal Young
    ===============================
    How do we know that offer wasn’t for Young’s eyes only?
    Maybe that offer is why he pulled back and is now in talks with Yanks.

  285. Nick in SF December 6th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Are you currently under the influence of a mind-altering substance, Shame?

  286. Frankg December 6th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Maybe they have to give Nunez a fair shot at third base. He hasn’t played it much and anyone in his shoes would be at the same level. He came up as a shortstop. Also remember who was good player in the playoffs last year? Nunez. They have someone who can probably do an adequate job. Let’s not get too excited about third base yet.

    Another possibilty—trade Granderson for Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy and Phil Coke. Lowers salary level and brings more talent.

  287. Ys Guy December 6th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    trying to decide who i hated more…don merideth, craig morton, roger staubach, bob lilly, preston peerson, mike ditka, drew peerson, ed “too tall” jones, walt garrison, dan reeves……

  288. Pat M. December 6th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    I fully respect SJ’s opinion when it comes to the bussiness side of the game being he’s been an owner of minor league clubs……That being said, I just can’t see the Yanks improving that much via trades to offset what they’ve lost and will lose next winter in regards to players……..Either they go all in or just move assests and think 2-3 years down the raod and roll the dice that the pitching keeps them in the race …..Remember the AL East is not that dominating as I see it as being it being the weakest it’s been in decades

  289. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Nick in SF December 6th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Are you currently under the influence of a mind-altering substance, Shame?

    ——————

    I wish, maybe I’d be in a better mood :D

    Honey badger references are helping though.. I think that’s exactly what we’ll need more of.

  290. Nick in SF December 6th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    Just checking. :arrow:

  291. mick December 6th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Evan Grant ?@Evan_P_Grant

    I have been on a flight for the last 2 hours. I have no idea where Michael Young stands on trade request. Earlier tweet from fake account


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