Cashman heading home after quiet Winter Meetings
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 06, 2012 
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The Rule 5 draft is over, and executives from every team are heading home. No one sticks around too long after the Rule 5 draft, and the Yankees group won’t linger.
“The things that have come off the board this week, I’m very comfortable with (letting them go),” Brian Cashman said. “I like those players, and those players could help us, but at the same time I’m comfortable with the direction we’re currently headed.”
As he always does, Cashman has talked a lot about patience during these meetings. I talked to executives from two other teams after the Rule 5, and they said a lot of the same things Cashman has been saying: So far, to get involved in this market, teams have been forced to overpay. One executive even acknowledged that his team was among those who overpaid, but there was a sense that a deal had to be done.
“After the fact, you run into people who are like, ‘Man, I didn’t want to do that, but I had no choice,’” Cashman said. “They’re getting a problem solved, but they’re not happy with their solution and what they had to do to solve it. I don’t want to be in that position. I’d rather feel good about what we’re doing. I don’t feel good yet that we haven’t solved all our problems — don’t misunderstand me — but I’d rather not think, ‘Alright, at least I got somebody to put in here but I don’t like the term. The player’s OK, but I don’t like the term or the dollars, but what was I going to do?’ I don’t want to be in that position.”
So, the Yankees wait. Cashman said he’s talked about a lot of ideas — “More so on the trade side than on the free agent side,” he said — and my friend Bryan Hoch had the story this morning that the Yankees have a $12 million offer out to Kevin Youkilis. News of that offer came one day after Jeff Keppinger and Eric Chavez came off the market with deals elsewhere.
“There’s a lot of signings right now on the marketplace,” Cashman said. “And they’re above what I think…”
His voice trailed off, not quite finishing that thought before Cashman settled on this:
“It’s not something we can’t do, but a number of these things I wouldn’t do.”
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The Phillies just gave up Worley & the 69th best prospect in baseball for Ben Revere.
Trade Gardner for a top 100 prospect please. Trade Grandy for 2.
@JimBowdenESPNxm: Kevin Towers made it clear to us he is looking for a SS he controls more than 2 yrs so no Andrus or Cabrera
Nunie!
Hank, Hal.. Sell the team to another person that cares more about winning before you ruin your fathers name.
I’ve thought/feared all along it would be trades.
Sign Hamilton
Trade Granderson for Nick Ahmed and delgado
Phil,
It’s gonna be trades & it’s gonna be bloody.
Good to see you around these parts, btw.
Granderson…
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Bob Nightengale?@BNightengale
The #twins now have no major league CF with Ben Revere going to #Phillies
AndrewMarchand If Yanks don’t win, fans will blame Hal espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/s…
I hope everyone understands now that CashmAn isn’t the one to direct anger at …it’s the son of George who is dangling all the puppet strings.
Why did he even bother going to the meetings? He could have repelled down a few more building, done some weird wig bartending, and had another one-night stand (or two).
The Phillies just gave up Worley & the 69th best prospect in baseball for Ben Revere.
Trade Gardner for a top 100 prospect please. Trade Grandy for 2.
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5 years of control over Revere I guess has it’s price and Worley isn’t anything special, but that seems a good score for the Twins.
Well then Hal better be ready for the backlash because it’s coming.
Against All Odds says:
December 6, 2012 at 12:32 pm
AndrewMarchand If Yanks don’t win, fans will blame Hal espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/s…
Darn right
G love,
You ready for the stealth Matt garza trade
@JimBowdenESPNxm: Kevin Towers told us he feels like all the young GM’s are trying to wear him out..like he’s having to play ropey dope Sirius 209 XM 89
You could always just trade with your old pal
Cash!
keppinger was a .270 hitting part time journeman till he found some pixie dust in tampa last year (for all of 120 games)
blake,
I would not be stunned if Garza & DeJesus were dealt here for Nova & a slew of top prospects.
I would rather the team stay like this instead of Cashman making a trade. Besides the Swisher trade where the W. Sox were desperate to get rid of him Cashman always gets robbed. If a trade is made I gurantee the fans will hate it.
You could always just trade with your old pal
Cash!
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Of course they could only trade in theory, since Cash has no authorization to do anything. #sarcasm #kinda #ithink #maybenot
@Joelsherman1: #Indians real threat to #Yankees on Youkilis: offering 2 yrs to NYY 1, Youk played for Cle mgr Francona in Bos, he’s from Cincy
keppinger was a .270 hitting part time journeman till he found some pixie dust in tampa last year (for all of 120 games)
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He has hit before, and he has always had a very specific skillset. The price was not expensive.
Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS
#mariners people say they are not close to a hamilton deal, even a contingent one. they like josh. wary about long deal tho
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NINJA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How about Nunez for Chris Johnson?
@JimBowdenESPNxm: Rangers reiterate they are NOT trading Profar or Andrus & Braves not trading Simmons so DBacks targets have to be Nick Franklin & Lindor?
Or Nunie!!!!
The Red Sox agreed to a one-year deal with reliever Koji Uehara, according to Gerry Fraley of the Dallas Morning News.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#l3qo8gKWsgRp10Qm.99
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Meh
G. Love says:
December 6, 2012 at 12:42 pm
blake,
I would not be stunned if Garza & DeJesus were dealt here for Nova & a slew of top prospects.
Laughing on the outside….crying on the inside
James Samolowicz ?@JamesNYMTKE88
#Yankees fans pretending like they never hated Youkilis are just high comedy
Guess he never came into this board
Joelsherman1 #Indians real threat to #Yankees on Youkilis: offering 2 yrs to NYY 1, Youk played for Cle mgr Francona in Bos, he’s from Cincy
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Just go to Cleveland. 12 million is way too much of the available money to spend on a guy who hasn’t been able to stay healthy recently.
The Red Sox agreed to a one-year deal with reliever Koji Uehara, according to Gerry Fraley of the Dallas Morning News.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#qESBhHIY4GIXKHIV.99
PhiltheThrill says:
December 6, 2012 at 12:29 pm
I’ve thought/feared all along it would be trades.
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This.
Captain Clutch December 6th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
I would rather the team stay like this instead of Cashman making a trade. Besides the Swisher trade where the W. Sox were desperate to get rid of him Cashman always gets robbed.
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What about the Justice and Abreu trades?
The Mariners are among the teams interested in Youkilis, tweets ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#qESBhHIY4GIXKHIV.99
Uehara is actually a pretty solid reliever. That’s a good pickup for a Boston pen which was awful last year.
As AC1 said earlier…..why on earth would you not take that 12 and get a Catcher?
Damn, Uehara is a boss…
RHB hit .206 .226 .355 .581 vs him in career
LHB .216 .248 .383 .631
Yes that is better than Boone Logan does vs lefties…
2012 : .125 .155 .214 .369 & .188 .197 .348 .545
Take the two years, Youk!
Just received an email: Yankees ST tix are on sale.
I think the Yanks should give Chone Figgins a chance. It’s hard to believe that he just forgot how to play baseball. Give him a low base salary and hopefully a change of scenery will work for him. At this point there doesn’t look to be anything better out there and I would rather they spend the remaining money on a real RFer.
Odds,
Those trades were the now-extinct salary dumps where we give up middling prospects for a guy who the other team no longer wants to pay. Abreu, more than Justice, was a complete salary dump.
Cashman only seemed to be able to execute those kind of deals until he pulled off the Swisher trade.
Other than that, he hasn’t really done well in trades unless you consider Grandy’s 3 seasons worth what we ended up trading away. If Grandy had led to a title and contributed in the post season, I might agree we won that deal but as it stands, with the decline in his performance and the fact that we’re most likely not signing him, it looks like that trade was not a clear win for us.
Those trades were the now-extinct salary dumps where we give up middling prospects for a guy who the other team no longer wants to pay.
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I think the Yanks gave up jake westbrook for Justice – I could be wrong though
Stoneburner -
They did give up Westbrook for Justice, but at the time Westbrook was not a well thought of prospect. I think we got him from the Expos first and then dealt him for Justice.
@Buster_ESPN: Some of the folks involved in four-team trade talks the other day say that it was the Diamondbacks who were the most reluctant to finish it.
PhilTheThrill!!
I love so many old buddies coming back… CB hit people with the truth stick last night. It was awesome.
Worst and boringest winter meetings ever
AZ gets: Nunez, Granderson, Hughes + one good OF prospect
NY gets: Upton
Not enough probably.
blake December 6th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
@Buster_ESPN: Some of the folks involved in four-team trade talks the other day say that it was the Diamondbacks who were the most reluctant to finish it.
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They can’t keep dangling Upton every year.. they need to get it done this off season.
I guess I can see DBack’s reluctance for Andrus – Boras – which is why I still think the Rangers deal him – - – -
Worst and boringest winter meetings ever
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Did Cliff Lee sign during the 2010 winter meetings? If so – while it was not boring – that one hurt – - – -
blake December 6th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Worst and boringest winter meetings ever
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From a Yankee stand point or just in general?
with the decline in his performance and the fact that we’re most likely not signing him, it looks like that trade was not a clear win for us.
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Yep they won’t be able to sign him and it seems like they won’t be able to move him either.
They can’t keep dangling Upton every year.. they need to get it done this off season.
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When seeing what BJ Upton and Victorino got, maybe he looks at the remainder of Justin’s contract anew and thinks “Hey, maybe this isn’t so unmanageable afterall”. Don’t think he’s thinking salary dump anyway. He wants to pick the best 2-3 pieces of fruit from a team’s under 25 tree.
From a Yankee stand point or just in general?
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Both. Pretty dull overall.
Baseball was hoping Greinke+Hamilton would sign at the winter meetings.
The news around the Yankees sucks but it has been nice seeing some old regulars back
AAA December 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
From a Yankee stand point or just in general?
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Both. Pretty dull overall.
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I agree
I’d actually be fine with trying out Chone Figgins (at a good price) and seeing what he can do. We need more non-hr or bust players in the lineup. If he can be servicable and with Gardner and Jeter, could help the power hitters actually get some rbi’s instead of breaking the world record for solo homeruns and failures with RISP.
They will trade Uptpn…..he’s not happy and this has gone on for two years now
My guess is that ultimately Texas caves and gives Andrus…..or the Braves do and give Simmons (though less likely cause they can’t just slot Profar in)
To me if you can get Chone Figgins on either a minor league deal with invitation to spring training or on a very very very small base salary with incentives, he makes sense simply because of two reasons (a) he is fast and more importantly (b) he can play a bunch of positions. He could be sort of like Homer Bush in 1998 — spark-plug in the lineup every so often but late inning threat because he can pinch run for some of the slower guys on the team.
ac1, why bother with Chode Figgins?
Try out David Amas, if he stinks, just put Nunez at third.
Both are better options.
typo: David Adams
They will trade Uptpn…..he’s not happy and this has gone on for two years now
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Didn’t really go on at all last year, but perhaps you’re right. Point is, the FA market, as it’s played out, drives his price up. They can hold out for Andrus-like return (though the word is he wants more than 2 years control).
The dust is really dirt being thrown on the remains of the offense.
Chicken – maybe Homer Bush is available.
“Didn’t really go on at all last year, but perhaps you’re right. Point is, the FA market, as it’s played out, drives his price up. They can hold out for Andrus-like return (though the word is he wants more than 2 years control).”
He shopped him at the winter meetings last year….then at the deadline….then again this year….I think he’d take Andrus but would rather have Simmons or obviously Profar
Remember when Cole Hamels seemed like a realistic Yankee FA acquisition this off season?
I have a better one:
Remember when the Yankees went after Josh Hamilton, because he is only demanding 5 years?
Oh wait, sorry, that’s just me ….
blake December 6th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
“Didn’t really go on at all last year, but perhaps you’re right. Point is, the FA market, as it’s played out, drives his price up. They can hold out for Andrus-like return (though the word is he wants more than 2 years control).”
He shopped him at the winter meetings last year….then at the deadline….then again this year….I think he’d take Andrus but would rather have Simmons or obviously Profar
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Yeah he was shopped all last year.. and the sense we’ve been getting from reports is he could use a change of scenery because of it to reach his peak potential.
He’s be so good on our club… can’t we find a way into that three/four team trade?!
pkyankfan69 December 6th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Remember when Cole Hamels seemed like a realistic Yankee FA acquisition this off season?
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Still trying to figure out what happened to King Felix’s money…. I guess Kuroda and Andy.
He shopped him at the winter meetings last year….then at the deadline….then again this year….I think he’d take Andrus but would rather have Simmons or obviously Profar
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That was a half assed “if someone gives me their farm system, you can have Upton” shop. It lasted about 6 minutes. This year seemed a far more concerted effort to move him, but not so much so that he’ll ease his price. Market says he doesn’t have to.
This balking on Hal’s part is due to prior to ST EVERY season now, there are decent offensive free agents that have fallen between the cracks. Players like Vlad Guerrero, Damon, Matsui, Ibanez, etc, are available at pennies on the dollar as ST approaches. Hal figures why overpay Bums like Schierholtz in Dec, when you can wait 6 weeks, and there will be better, experienced MLB players, Begging for spots on the Yankee 25 man roster. This is solid Bottom Line thinking. It has absolutely Nothing to do with fielding a Championship team. Once again, George is rolling.
Cashman: “I don’t feel like we’re not having a productive winter. I feel like we’re being deliberate and we are being slow.”
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Sure.
ac1, why bother with Chode Figgins?
Try out David Amas, if he stinks, just put Nunez at third.
Both are better options.
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I agree, but you still need a bench…..
I would let Adams, Nunez and Musteilier battle for it. Figgins could be a bench piece that get a chance to battle to start.
Deliberate and slow? It’s an Andruw Jones winter.
Cashman: “I don’t feel like we’re not having a productive winter. I feel like we’re being deliberate and we are being slow.”
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I’m Hal Steinbrenner, and I approved this message.
“That was a half assed “if someone gives me their farm system, you can have Upton” shop
Yea but his name has still been out there for a longtime…..
And somebody tell Cashman to start wearing some Yankee gear. His Bush League attire, is resulting in Bush League thinking. Schierholtz being sought after is indicative of this.
@DKnobler: Tigers see Royals as a real threat in AL Central. They’re very much hoping Royals don’t get Shields.
“Gather ’round, gather ’round” says the tall, round man… “BEHOLD!”
“A balding, little puppet clearly frustrated to get out of his cage.
But I’m holding all the strings and making him say what I pay him to say …”
as an evil laugh bellows from his belly!
The introduction of my new book…
The Grinch that stole the Yankees!
Pretty lame winter meetings overall from an activity standpoint. A bunch of mediocre to slightly above average players getting overpaid. No big trades, no Hamilton signing. Yawn. Maybe people were too busy getting lost in Opryland. That place is utterly ridiculous….
We’ll see where we end up at the end of the winter. So far, we’ve accomplished what we had to accomplish with some more work left to. Our pitching is top notch, so how hard can it be to find a corner outfielder? A 3B filler will be harder, but I don’t mind giving Adams a shot to start the season and wait for the market to come to us. Right now, today, I feel like we are either in the playoffs or knocking on the door. There is still time to make moves, moves will be made.
Just be glad you aren’t a fan of that Yankees back in the 80′s/early 90′s like many of us were. Those were really hard times with no hope in sight.
Granderson for Willingham and Plouffe.
@Ken_Rosenthal: #Rangers, #Diamondbacks, #Rays still at meetings, working on Upton blockbuster.
Must be serious if they are still there….trying to figure out the pieces and how the Rays for in
“Once again, George is rolling.”
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yeah, GEORGE would have gone 6 years on scutaro!
“Just be glad you aren’t a fan of that Yankees back in the 80?s/early 90?s like many of us were. Those were really hard times with no hope in sight.”
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…yeah but george had the will to win!
@Ken_Rosenthal: #Rays’ Friedman has never done a three-way trade. Friend with another club says he is determined to get one done. Four-way possible too.
Rangers: Upton and Shields
Dbacks: Andrus and Holland
Rays: Olt and Skaggs/Bauer
people think george would have gone out and gotten hamilton, but this is not true.
he’d have nowhere to play hamilton with the outfield of damon, matsui and bay.
As I noted yesterday,it dies appear that Granderson and two of the rotation can be had.
Both Hughes and Nova are being mentioned as available,which confirms my suspicion and analysis of exactly how much the org. really values these two pitchers. The problem I see is that other teams must be figuring the same things.So if trading any of the three mentioned is a 3 “brown puppies for 3
gray ones”,it’s still buyer beware!
All will be revealed with the 25 man roster to open the season.
If it’s as presently constituted,we could finish last in the division……………..because a 5 billion dollar enterprise needs to save money!!!
12mm. for Youk is patent insanity unless they offset it with Cashman’s salary!
@JimBowdenESPNxm: Terry Ryan just told us he will continue to listen on deals for Josh Willingham and Justin Mourneau if he can get more starting pitching
Nova for Willingham
“…yeah but george had the will to win!”
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He always wanted to win, but until he turned the team over Stick (was forced to by being suspended by MLB), he didn’t have the ability to win. We had the worst teamsI’ve ever seen that actually had talent. Andy Hawkins once pitched a no hitter and lost 3 to 0 (as I remember it)…
…yeah but george had the will to win!
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Hal doesn’t have that will. Hell he barely goes to the games.
since george gave up control, the sons have only managed to act like him one time.
…thanks hank….
…thanks hank….
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Hal takes the blame as well. He was in on those meetings with A-rod
people, i was kidding with that ‘george had the will to win’ joke.
george’s reign produced the lowest # of championships in team history.
and the longest postseason drought in team history
ARod’s contract was about the boys getting one more championship for the Dad. I’m sure they still consider it a worthwhile contract. No way the Yankees win in 2009 without ARod. Too bad that they might not win another with ARod…
If Daniels can get Upton and Shields in the same deal then He won’t have to sign Greinke and he can keep Hamilton…..my guess is that’s his goal…..and it would make them very very good
Jack hannahan, non-tendered by indians, is inspiring a bidding war. not kidding. 3B market is like that
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This will be what we end up with. A waste of a roster space instead of the kids.
If George was still around, he woulda signed Hamilton at these meetings. The Press would be playing up Hamilton falling into the lap of The Evil Empire, and season ticket sales would be soaring ever higher.
God please let Pukelis go to CLE. The thought of him in pinstripes makes me physically ill.
Is it me or is Cash slowly morphing into Mr Burns. Looks wise that is
Cashman: “I don’t feel like we’re not having a productive winter. I feel like we’re being deliberate and we are being slow.”
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I work in HR so, naturally, I love spin.
There is no plane.
Cshman is full of crap, spouting the same old organizational spin and saying nothing. If there is a $12 mill offer to Kevin Youkilis that is really stupid, could have brought back Chavez and platoon with Nunez for $8.5 million less. If this team is truely searching for offense why the hell would they be shopping a 40 hr. guy–none of these rumors make sense.
Looks more and more like Nunez, Adams, and Mustelier ( as I said yesterday ) should and may get a shot at 3B and Mustelier maybe for RF.
NO Youk !!! Not spending, give the young guys a shot !!!
Prolly some trade will happen though.
blake December 6th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Worst and boringest winter meetings ever
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I bet you’re glad now that you didn’t end up going.
“I bet you’re glad now that you didn’t end up going.”
I would have liked to have gone just to confirm that Cashman was actually there and not a hologram
When I would rather do my actual work than follow Twitter to see what the Yankees are doing you know one this is for sure:
There is no plane.
I work in HR so, naturally, I love spin.
There is no plane.
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Dang, I guess he is driving back. Oh and I want to change contributions to my 401k and I have an updated W-4 to send you – wacka wacka wacka – - – -
Braves sign Reed Johnson
@MLB: OFFICIAL: @Braves and OF Reed Johnson agree to 1-year deal with club option for 2014. #WinterMeetings
Yanks have season tix ST only for sale….no sked out yet….just buy em who cares who or where they play.
I forgot he even existed, but probably would have been decent right hand part of a RF platoon
Another Lohud all time favorite off the table
Jerkface says:
December 6, 2012 at 2:31 pm
I forgot he even existed, but probably would have been decent right hand part of a RF platoon
Me too….which I don’t know how….he’s probably 2nd place behind Dejesus for most discussed player ever on lohud
JF unless were getting Josh……..ohhhh
Let me ask this. Why would Hoch, the Yankees.com reporter, break the news on the 1-year, $12 million offer to Youk rather than somebody like Sherman?
Could be the Yanks fed the information to a more friendly reporter in the hopes of satiating the fan base. My guess is they have no real expectation that Youk will take the deal, but it is a PR-ish move to show the fans that they are trying to land a big name after nickel-and-diming the other candidates that they really coveted.
My guess? Youk will take the two-year deal with the Cleveland Indians. He is comfortable with Francona and he is from Cincy.
ST invite for Chone.
he’s probably 2nd place behind Dejesus for most discussed player ever on lohud
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FREE BRET THE HITMAN!!!
I agree Mick save $$$$$$$
If the Yanks actually sign Youk for $12 million, I’ll have to suspect that the front office is playing a high stakes poker game with itself — and losing.
adams has to be a better player at this point that chone
“My guess? Youk will take the two-year deal with the Cleveland Indians. He is comfortable with Francona and he is from Cincy.”
Hopefully. If they go to 2/20 he will probably take it
Boy reading this website does make me want to give into my wife’s demands and go see Les Miserables – - – -
tucker – If they think Youk at that price is going to get the fanbase excited then they think we’re dumber than even I could have imagined.
tucker, which part of this story satiates the fan base? The so-called offer to Youk or when he ends up somewhere else?
Am I the only one who is not sure why Michael Young is not being considered? The Rangers are trying to trade him to the Phils and will eat up to 1/2 of his contract. Seems like a perfect fit for the coming season. Thoughts?
Boy reading this website does make me want to give into my wife’s demands and go see Les Miserables – – – -
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Do you think Javert will make the playoffs this year?
The Return of Stoneburner says:
December 6, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Boy reading this website does make me want to give into my wife’s demands and go see Les Miserables – – – -
Fight it
How did Mrs Stoneburner handle the pyschotic break last winter?
Can someone remind me….what did the Yanks do at last year winter meetings?
jr1212 says:
December 6, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Can someone remind me….what did the Yanks do at last year winter meetings?
About the same as this year
Nick, a one year $12 million offer is probably an over pay. And the Yanks are taking a risk by offering that much to a declining player.
But the Yanks also likely have a good idea of what Cleveland has offered.
I’m suggesting it’s possible that the Yanks made an offer in a very public way knowing Youk is likely to turn it down. They can then go to the fan base and say, “we tried our best.”
Up to this point, the team has offered only minimal, short-term contracts to position players. Why would they offer $12 million to Youk when they would not offer that much in annual salary to the Chavez/Keppinger combo?
It is either a change in approach, or it is a very public move when the team knows the likely outcome.
I guess we’ll find out when Youk makes his decision where to play.
Too early to give up yet. You never know when things get real quiet.
NO to Kevin Youkilis.
C – Romine
1B – Teixiera
2B – Cano
3B – Mustelier
SS – Jeter
LF – Granderson
CF – Gardner
RF -Tyler Austin
DH – Nunez
If the Yanks had decided to go with this starting nine with Melky Cabrera replacing a traded Granderson in LF, the starting nine would’ve been 8/9ths homegrown and 7/9ths under Teixiera’s age with Teixiera, Cano, and Jeter being the only expensive players and Teixiera, Sabathia, and A-Rod being the only players signed to guaranteed contracts beyond 2013.
How ’bout Teixiera and half his remaining salary to Seattle for Montero?
The Mariners get a veteran Gold Glove firstbasemen who’d instantly be their best all-around player for four years at $11.25M a year ($45 total.)
The Yanks clear $45M which could help them lock up Cano, reacquire Montero who could take over first base, would have a 8/9ths homegrown, 7/9ths cheap starting nine, and an all homegrown starting nine if they traded Granderson and went with David Adams at 3B and Mustelier in LF.
Montero is blocked at C by John Jaso, 1B by Justin Smoak who Seattle has to give a chance to cuz they gave up Cliff Lee for him (et.al.) Montero can’t catch anyway and is too young to be a full-time DH.
“I guess we’ll find out when Youk makes his decision where to play.”
Novenas being offered up for “elsewhere”.
Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
I’m starting to think Brian Cashman doesn’t even attend next offseason’s winter meetings. He’ll stay home and watch reruns of Yankeeography.
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Just go with the kids. Adams, Romine, Mustelier, and Dickerson. Some of these guys aren’t really kids anymore, so let’s see what they got.
I can’t wait to see what we are really doing
Id seriously like to see Adams get a shot if they can’t find somebody better than Youk or Reynolds….. Adams can hit
Willingham has had seven straight seasons of .800+ OPS. He’s on the wrong side of 30 and you don’t want to look at his defensive matrix, but his oWAR is something this offense will need.
I could be wrong, but I think a big chunk of the part of the fan base that’s paying close attention doesn’t want Youk in the first place, especially at that dollar amount.
If that offer is real and it’s designed to fail, my own reaction would be along the lines of “please don’t do that again.”
If it’s a change in approach, then I wonder if Levine got antsy and told Cashman to do something asap.
If they are gonna send 12 million on something it should be a catcher
is Adams ready though?
Getting rid of the kickoff in football – - – -
I hope the Royals step up and get Shields….I really don’t want Daniels to get Upton AND Shields and then have enough money to sign Hamilton…..
I yearn for the good old days of earlier this week when it seemed like they were leaning towards the frosted-tips jerk catcher over the ass-faced broken-down third baseman.
oak2455 says:
December 6, 2012 at 2:54 pm
is Adams ready though?
He’s 25… A college kid..and just played in the fa league……the bat is probably as ready as it’ll ever be ….only question is if he’s good enough at 3B
trisha – true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
“I guess we’ll find out when Youk makes his decision where to play.”
Novenas being offered up for “elsewhere”.
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I was wondering how you’d feel about this.. something told me you’d join our vigil
We gor posters trashing the all-or-nothing offensive approach, then go and advocate Reynolds. NOPE
The fact that he hasn’t taken the offer so far is probably a good thing, btw.
Nick in SF says:
December 6, 2012 at 2:56 pm
I yearn for the good old days of earlier this week when it seemed like they were leaning towards the frosted-tips jerk catcher over the ass-faced broken-down third baseman.
Me too….especial since the former can still play….
blake December 6th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
oak2455 says:
December 6, 2012 at 2:54 pm
is Adams ready though?
He’s 25… A college kid..and just played in the fa league……the bat is probably as ready as it’ll ever be ….only question is if he’s good enough at 3B
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This is when I want Cash to take his own advice with the ‘beggars can’t be choosers’ line..
Blake than maybe move Cano to 3rd? has a strong arm
“ansky712 December 6th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Am I the only one who is not sure why Michael Young is not being considered? The Rangers are trying to trade him to the Phils and will eat up to 1/2 of his contract. Seems like a perfect fit for the coming season. Thoughts?”
I’m with you man! I came here just to see if anyone else had the same idea. Seems like the perfect fit IMO. He can play 3B, SS, 1B, DH and can still rake. He’s a FA after next year too. It makes more sense than Youk on a 1 year deal. Plus, I bet we could get Texas to pick up some of the $16M Young is owed. Hell, we could even expand the deal to include Granderson…that way they can let Hamilton walk and we might be able to get some of their prospects too.
Id seriously like to see Adams get a shot if they can’t find somebody better than Youk or Reynolds….. Adams can hit
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At this level?
That’s the unknown here. That and whether he can actually play a major league 3B. With less than 40 professional games at 3B in his career and not yet facing AAA pitching, I’d think they want to know a little more about him before committing to him for this year.
My thinking is they wouldn’t be looking around if they thought they had someone else good to go.
@JeffPassan: Latest from Nashville: Disappointed Yankees, the real price on Myers, Greinke $, Seattle-Hamilton and much, much more: http://t.co/6dSNAHNy
We talked about trying to get Young last off season…
I know that’s not saying much.. we talk about pretty much everything on here, but if we were in the FO the option would have been on the table.
Shame –
I am sick busy with life outside of baseball but I do check in from time-to-time to see if anything’s new. Way too many posts to catch up on, but I’m figuring it’s basic lamenting until something gives.
I don’t give in to lamenting or feeling depressed ever but I definitely would have to make an exception were…were…I can’t even bring myself to say the words!
Blake than maybe move Cano to 3rd? has a strong arm
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You mean move Gold Glove 2B Robinson Cano to 3B?
You just don’t do that, man.
The Yankees continue to look the other way, instead of addressing that Iceberg headed toward the Titanic. CANO
The Yankees have said they don’t think Young can play third. I think he can play it better than Youkilis, and I would much prefer him at the plate.
Makes too much sense.
I can’t believe the team would rather have Youkilis than AJ. Why?
I wouldn’t acquire Young. He cannot play third or SS anymore. As bad as Nunez at third atm. Is 36 and also not a lock to ‘rake’. He ‘raked’ at .277 .312 .370 .682 last year. He is a platoon guy again basically. LHP only.
I would take YOung over Youk though, in a nym
I would pass on Young, just as time has.
Couple of things:
Arod:
* Yankees and Arod strategically released the story at that the winter meetings knowing that it would take the backseat.
* He is seriously considering that his career may be over.
* Isn’t concerned with the money as much as “I am to be breaking records”
* Still absolutely loves baseball but refuses to be treated like anything but “All-star Arod”
* Has a large insurance policy he would collect if injury/illness ended his career (NOT Yankees policy).
A lot of Al’s friends suggest that he is talking like he is preparing himself to leave baseball and move on to other life interests. He still loves baseball, but he doesn’t want to be an average or slightly above average player and would choose retirement first. This is his perfect way out. We all know the eccentricities of his personality, but what happened last season practically broke the man. His ego is still as large as it always has been and he still carries himself like he is hitting .320 50HR’s. Reality is starting to set in and those close to him don’t think he has emotional capacity to accept it. As much as he loves the game, his ego is just too fragile to be PH for and he believes this is just the beginning.
Personally, I see this as the end of Alex Rodriquez. One way or another Al and his cronies are going to find a way to force his retirement due to injury. As with everything Arod, this story is far from over, but mark my words, this is the beginning of the end of him.
That’s my point Jerkface (LOL), what other alternatives are there?? We are talking about a replacement for Chavez basically. I think Young fits that description fine. After A-Rod comes back he’s just depth for our bench and the occasional DH against lefties. He’s also insurance if anyone on our infield gets hurt. He could play 2B too.
Acquiring Young = $$$ and player(s)
Acquiring Youk = $$$
?@JackCurryYES
Cashman said there some very talented players on the free agent market, but, as a whole, he described it was “pitiful.”
AAA so Arod played SS before third correct ? And he was considered a good SS ? Gold glove ?
I hear ya, trisha.. just hop on the denial train with me and pat.
Choo choo!!!!!
Hopefully it’s all for naught and he just goes away.
@DKnobler
For some execs, this sums up the winter meetings: “There’s a bidding war for Jack Hannahan!”
“I don’t give in to lamenting or feeling depressed ever but I definitely would have to make an exception were…were…I can’t even bring myself to say the words!”
Trisha, lol. Keep saying your prayers!
Have you guys looked at Young’s 2013 salary vs Youk at $12 Mill??? Didn’t think so.
Lol A-rod isn’t retiring.
Young was going to cost PHI $6M, not $12M for Youk. TEX picking up 10.
Good work Ca$hman.
C- Vacant
1B – Old/done
2B – Cano
SS – Fat/old
3B – Vacant/waiting on an old Roid abuser with bad hips (awseome)
LF – Nothing special here
CF – Mr K.
RF – Vacant
DH- Vacant
I wonder if the Yanks and Royals would match up in a trade. Royals are looking for starting pitching and I am sure Nova and Hughes are available for the right package. The Yanks can use one of their young bats.
I would love to get Wil Myers, but we don’t have the pieces to get him
I wonder what Colorado wants for Fowler. His numbers are pretty impressive for a guy they’re putting out there.
Both KC and The Rocks float guys, and then ask for the Moon. TEASERS
Nick, I do think it is a change in approach and may have Levine’s fingerprints on it. Will pick up this discussion later when i have a bit more time …
Unless we want Alex Gordon or Billy Butler, not sure there is a fit. They aren’t trading their other young studs unless they get James Shields or some other top rotation starter (Nova and Hughes are not that). Plus, we need those two guys just in case one of our old guys gets hurt…it’s inevitable.
If the Rangers sign Greinke or trade for Upton I think Hamilton falls into Boston’s lap. They have more money to spend and I doubt Hamilton wants to sign with the Mariners. The Yanks are scared of international free agents after what happened with Igawa so I doubt they would even consider Hamilton with his issues.
@TBTimes_Rays
Whatever talks #Rays may have been in on w/ 3-way J. Upton deal, for context know that Friedman is at lunch + #Rangers GM Daniels went home
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Lol.. in case you needed “context”
Yeah, Young would be cheaper than Youk…we just have to give up a player (likely a minor leaguer).
Anyone know what’s up with this lefty RF they are looking at?? Forgot his name but stats aren’t impressive. I’d rather just stick with Chris Dickerson if we went that route. Give the guy a shot!
Everytime the Yanks show interest inna player, even a marginal player, several teams immediately join the party. This time it worked out OK, as the players Cashman was looking at were marginal at best, and that includes Chavez.
“Captain Clutch December 6th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
If the Rangers sign Greinke or trade for Upton I think Hamilton falls into Boston’s lap. They have more money to spend and I doubt Hamilton wants to sign with the Mariners. ”
What are you talking about…the Red Sox just gave $39M to Shane Victorino LOL…they don’t have room for Hamilton. AHahahaa…the Red Sox suck!
from the Passan article blake linked…
Hamilton’s first choice is the Rangers. They are perennial playoff contenders. Their farm system is loaded. They are comfortable. They know how to support him. Still, Seattle has become familiar with trips in the AL West, and the Mariners’ core is improving. Among Felix Hernandez, Jesus Montero, Kyle Seager and one of the three best farm systems in the game, with catcher Mike Zunino, shortstop Nick Franklin and pitchers Taijuan Walker, Danny Hultzen and James Paxton, Seattle may be ready to compete in the powerful West by 2014.
from FoxSports a couple days ago…
http://tinyurl.com/aoqqkxj
But there is also the possibility that Hamilton simply would decide that he wanted to be in Seattle, enabling the two sides to reach an agreement.
Hamilton’s wife, Katie, told Sports Illustrated in June that the family planned to donate a significant portion of Josh’s next contract to charities.
Pro Athletes Outreach, a Christian organization that ministers to athletes, coaches and their families, is based in Issaquah, Wash., a suburb of Seattle.
“No, we don’t really care about the money so much for us, but we have huge plans for this money and, no, it’s not strictly for our bank account,” Katie Hamilton told SI. “It is for a hurting world.
“The other thing (people) keep saying is, ‘Josh needs Texas; he needs the comfort of this team.’ Uh, we need Jesus. We need God. He goes with us wherever we are. Yes, we’re comfortable in Texas. But maybe God hasn’t called us to comfort. I mean, he didn’t call Jesus to comfort.”
Anyhoo, who knows …. ‘t is the season though
Youk will probably decide tonight or tomorrow after his thing in Boston is over. I could see it going either way.
If Youk becomes a Yankee who are we to get in the way of how life plays out sometimes. Besides the FO always knows best. amarite…
Also, there is this little bit of news:
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b.....key-storey
Twins shed ANOTHER centerfielder? Sets up Granderson, et al, for Mauer.
Youk?
ummmmmmmm
no thank you
I do Not see the Yanks taking on Mauer’s contract.
Why on earth would the Twins trade for 1 year and 13 mil of Granderson? C’mon people!
YF – I am, I am!
Back to work – boo!
I think the key here is to stay patient, and hope nothing really shiny becomes available on the trade market. Lots of people are down on our farm, but we have 4 position players who could give us the makings of our next core who will be ready starting in the next year or so. It would save us tens of millions of dollars not to trade them and to let them come up and be the start of the new team. They are Williams, Austin, Heathcott and Sanchez. That’s a complete OF as well as a catcher.
Cashman said there some very talented players on the free agent market, but, as a whole, he described it was “pitiful.”
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I actually see a good amount of decent players out there… What’s pitiful is how the Yankees have started doing business the last year or so and expecting us all to buy right into it like sheep.
just asking..why couldn’t the Yankees make a run at Wil Myers
Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
I would love to get Wil Myers, but we don’t have the pieces to get him
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sure they do…Hughes or Nova in a package
raymagnetic says:
December 6, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Lol A-rod isn’t retiring.
Of course not….but if he’s medically deemed incapable of playing then he gets paid to stay home and not be embarassed on the field
Btw, anyone know who Youk’s agent is? I ask because this situation where only 1 outlet has the Yankee offer reminds me of the situation where Greg Maddox’s agent used a agreed upon make believe offer from the Yanks to goose Greg’s last big league deal.
joeman December 6th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
just asking..why couldn’t the Yankees make a run at Wil Myers
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Depends on if the Yankees have the pitcher the Royals want. Would the Royals give up Myers for Hughes and others.
Trades you hear a lot about seem to never materialize…..the ones that happen (especially big ones) tend to come out of nowhere.
The last 3 big trades I can’t think of we’re out unexpected and were essentially done before nynody even knew about them
joeman,
They don’t have the top flight young pitching being demanded by KC.
Jerkface says:
December 6, 2012 at 3:24 pm
I would love to get Wil Myers, but we don’t have the pieces to get him
If they have to have a front of the rotation guy then the yanks don’t have that….. If they’d accept one mid rotation established guy and a prospect with frontline upside then maybe they do
I would have a hard time with Kevin Youkilis on this team…the guy is such a baby..liked when they went inside to him
Doumit might be a more realistic option from MIN, however. Doumit, Willingham and Plouffe all fit needs for NYY. Could be a good trade partner.
Boston seems like even worse for for Hamilton’s personality than the narrative for NY to me …. That’s an unstable clubhouse in a fish bowl town. At least the Yankees have a strong leadership and positive clubhouse culture. …can’t see Hamilton in boston
Many thanks to Lost for all the insights at the winter meetings. Now, he knows how AROD is feeling. Equally reliable.
Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
joeman December 6th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
just asking..why couldn’t the Yankees make a run at Wil Myers
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Depends on if the Yankees have the pitcher the Royals want. Would the Royals give up Myers for Hughes and others.
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guess it depends on what the others are….could they toss joba or Gardner in
JoeyVegas December 6th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Doumit might be a more realistic option from MIN, however. Doumit, and Plouffe all for NYY. Could be a good trade partner.
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I said this yesterday…nobody responded.
“Of course not….but if he’s medically deemed incapable of playing then he gets paid to stay home and not be embarassed on the field”
Don’t see this happening either. I’ve come to terms with the disaster wrapped up in a catastrophe that is Alex’s contract. He’s not going anywhere
heard it twice today..that AROD may skip the 2013 season
“Don’t see this happening either. I’ve come to terms with the disaster wrapped up in a catastrophe that is Alex’s contract. He’s not going anywhere”
They don’t escape Alex’s contract in that event….Hal just gets the insurance money to stuff on his pocket. I think Alex will try to come back……I don’t know if he will be able to play to a standard that he will find acceptable though
joeman December 6th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Against All Odds December 6th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
joeman December 6th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
just asking..why couldn’t the Yankees make a run at Wil Myers
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Depends on if the Yankees have the pitcher the Royals want. Would the Royals give up Myers for Hughes and others.
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guess it depends on what the others are….could they toss joba or Gardner in
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Others meaning minor league talent. Joba is a spare part in the pen and Gardner is a piece but not something that wows you.
Against All Odds
Others meaning minor league talent. Joba is a spare part in the pen and Gardner is a piece but not something that wows you.
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wait…Gardner is the starting LFer for the New York Yankees….what wouldn’t he be a big part of the OF for KC…
joeman December 6th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Against All Odds
Others meaning minor league talent. Joba is a spare part in the pen and Gardner is a piece but not something that wows you.
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wait…Gardner is the starting LFer for the New York Yankees….what wouldn’t he be a big part of the OF for KC…
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Because Gardner is not the type of player that can be a big part of a deal unless the team trading for him thinks highly of Gardner. I like what brings to the team but he doesn’t make or break the team.
Dayton Moore is hesitant to trade Wil Myers for Shields, Matt Moore, or RA DIckey. He will flat out decline Hughes or Nova.
KC is not trading this blue chip for 2 broken arms, like cashman did.