Yankees lose no one in Rule 5
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 06, 2012 
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The Yankees did not lose anyone in the Rule 5 draft. Did not select anyone either.
Brian Cashman actually met with writers during the draft and said he made no offers to any of the players who signed during these Winter Meetings. Clearly Kevin Youkilis is on the radar, but Cashman said he has been more engaged with the trade market than with free agents.
BoJo December 6th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 10:16 am
I told OAA yesterday that I think if we all collectively tried to set a tree on fire with our brains it might work… so, instead of doing that, we should just work on this Youk situation.
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So let me get this right–we are all going to focus on setting Youklis on fire? Ok…I’m good to go.
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Essentially, yes.
Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am
LGY December 6th, 2012 at 10:15 am
I didn’t think about that Beltran thing at all. Thanks Shame!
Makes this Youk thing all the more annoying. Signing Beltran was such an obvious move last year.
Cashman the worst.
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We discussed selling high on Grandy at that time… imagine if someone would have done something to mitigate our OF gaps last off season…
There is no plane.
Let’s Go Chief Wahoo! Dont let those Yankees outbid you for Youkilis, go BIG!
?@DKnobler
Indians pushing for Youkilis. Francona connection could help. But Yankees want him, too.
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Who cares what the Yankees want?! Go get him Tribe!!
@JonHeymanCBS
Word is, #phillies getting closer to agreement to get michael young. Belief is tex would need to pay $10M of his $16M
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Cashmoney-
you’re right. I apologize to the other Yankee fans.
I seriously HATE Pukilis and have always thought he was overrated.
And that’s when he was still worth a major league roster spot.
Now, he is fat, slow, and always injured.
If we’re going to be the Pittsburgh Pirates, lets be the Pirates, but don’t start signing washed up for Sux players for 12 mm.
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C’mon Cleveland… 8 mm will get it done so he can snuggle with Tito for a few more seasons.
Beware the ides of march! and guys who were born on the ides of march like kevin youkilis!
The Yankees are in a bidding war with the Indians over Red Sox discarded trash.
How has it come to this???
@Joelsherman1
Cashman said #Yankees hadn’t made offer to player that came off board at these meetings but NYY execs have confirmed was bid for Schierholtz
@JSalisburyCSN
Source: it is in Michael Young’s hands whether he wants to be a Phillie. He is deciding whether to waive no trade.
Buzz this morning points to the Rangers zeroing in on Greinke and trading for a bat rather than signing Josh Hamilton and trading for an arm, tweets ESPN’s Jayson Stark. The Dodgers are not paralyzed by Greinke, GM Ned Colletti tells Dylan Hernandez of the L.A. Times.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#2MhDoH806IBD7vVm.99
Cashman too embarrassed to admit he couldn’t reel in Nate Schierhodlaztae
LGY December 6th, 2012 at 10:29 am
The Yankees are in a bidding war with the Indians over Red Sox discarded trash.
How has it come to this???
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Last off season had something to do with it but I don’t think we’re allowed to talk about that as it apparently has nothing to do with this year and we still won 95 games last year and yada yada yada..
This team is decidedly worse than it was last year.. and no one had any way to see it coming!
I am guessing Rangers for Greinke, Upton, and then try for Shields – - – -
$12 mm for 1 year of Youk? Are you kidding me? I’d rather have had Nunez and Chavez.
?@Buster_ESPN
The Rangers’ best chance for pushing Michael Young to accept PHI trade will be to tell him he’s not going to play much, and Profar is.
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This is why no-trades matter… but only to an extent.
yankeefeminista December 6th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Tackelberry December 6th, 2012 at 9:42 am
YF
Who is left? Who would you prefer at this point?
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I’d prefer some actual planning for once; I am tired of the Yankees making it up as they go along. SMH.
I wonder if the Yanks tried to get Michael Young from the Rangers. He is a much better option than Youk but I really can’t see the Rangers and Yanks trading with each other. If the Phillies only have to pay $6m that is a great deal for them.
im not hung up on the ex-red sock angle with youkilis, once you’ve found yourself rooting for roger clemens, you’ve kind of hit rock bottom on that count anyway.
i just think he’s another old breaking-down guy and we don’t need another one of them.
and i think given the chance, nunez would be a better 3bman than youkilis this season.
For those who want him – Hamilton might be in play still – but he might be playing with the Mariners or perhaps the Red Sox if the Yanks not do anything – they might be looking for that OF bat via trade and not FA – - – -
Nunez/Adams/Mustillllllwhateveryournameis….
12 mil is a lot for a guy who may not be able to hit RHP or stay healthy.
The Yankees are in a bidding war with the Indians over Red Sox discarded trash.
How has it come to this???
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My thoughts exactly. I can rationalize cheap (cheap!) platoons. I can rationalize going internal. I cannot rationalize overpaying for not just a guy like Youkilis, but YOUKILIS himself. With his history and knowing specifically how Yankee fans generally feel about him. Simply baffling.
Yeah, well, the day we play youth is the day that youth becomes overripe and pushing 30. Cashman trusts no one from the farm ever since he foolishly tried to start three young pitchers at once and it didn’t work out perfectly. He would rather go with old broken down vets than risk youth.
I think he will go to Cleveland. Players want multi-year deals.
But, LGY, to answer your question, it has come to this, and this is only the beginning of dumpster diving. Cashman is bringing a snorkel and repellant, but he’s going in.
We already got outbid for a guy the Phils released.
Brian, thanks for not offering contracts to anyone but $12M to Youkilis. Now, I know the operations are in good hands. Can he act as assistant batting coach too?
I’d prefer some actual planning for once
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There is a plan – you just do not like the plan – - – -
I can’t believe we’re begging people to play for us… remember when CJ Wilson looked like a little kid that just had Christmas cancelled on him, just because we didn’t even make a bid? Seems like so long ago..
@JackCurryYES
Youkilis made $12.25 million last year and his numbers were down. So Yankees’ 1-year, $12 million is a very solid offer.
Cashman trusts no one from the farm
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That’s not true – or else Robertson, Hughes, Phelps, and Nova would have never seen the light of day – - – -
The Yanks are not paying 12m for Youk.
It’s all a game, have some faith…
Jap, I am really in no position in questioning anyone’s fandom…nor is anyone else really
CJ Wilson
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Glad he is not on the books for 15 millionish a year going forward – - – -
YS,
Once a player puts on a Yankee uniform, I pull for him. My problem with Youkilis is like yours. He is old and breaking down. Let’s try someone young who has a remote chance of improving.
I suspect Joba is going to be traded soon…possibly Hughes or nova too…And probably some minor league prospects. Hal has put Cashman in a corner with no other options.
I’d prefer to see them sign Ichiro to RF, and let Nunez play 3B…
But I would also prefer seeing him trade those pieces who won’t be here in 2014…Kuroda, Hughes, Logan?, Granderson, Cano, and yes…even CC.
I’ll sign up right now for a rebuilding year….knowing that it won’t happen.
You know that meter during electoral debates that measures the favorability of the candidate speaking?
How far down would it be for Hal and the FO?
Is it farther down than the thought of PUKE for 1 season?
I’ll sign up right now for a rebuilding year….knowing that it won’t happen.
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The best part is they always blame us for why they can’t rebuild… like our opinions matter or something!! They only seem to pull that card out when it’s convenient.
But all of this is for naught.. we aren’t signing Youk. C’mon guys, say it with me: We aren’t signing Youk and this is just rumor-mongering!
$ 6 M for a year of Michael Young is WAY better than Youkilis at the same price.
Hard to believe that $ 12 M rumor for Youkilis. Despite playing in Fenway he never hit 30 HR and only twice topped 20 and he’s been .258, .235 the last two years while missing about 40 games each season.
Cashmoney December 6th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Jap, I am really in no position in questioning anyone’s fandom…nor is anyone else really
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Cash,
We agree then. Questioning another fan’s team loyalty, is the height of narcissism and arrogance.
Some people just want leadership with vision.
I really doubt that Youk will sign with the Yanks. It seems like Cash is telling these guys that they are only fill ins until Arod comes back. That’s why Keppinger said no and I doubt any other player would do it. I really don’t get why Cashman even thinks that a player that had 2 hip surgeries can play 3rd base anymore.
” brianlopez22 December 6th, 2012 at 10:40 am
You know that meter during electoral debates that measures the favorability of the candidate speaking?
How far down would it be for Hal and the FO?
Is it farther down than the thought of PUKE for 1 season?
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i remember it and i remember that in the first debate it was off the charts good for romney…
how’d that work out?
its only december 6th, so this is kinda the first debate…
There is a plan – you just do not like the plan – – – -
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There is no plan. Getting the payroll down is not a plan.
Stoneburner,
Please elucidate us on the plan. Is it sign only one year contracts and hope players fall into our lap that no one else wants? I believe it is.
The last time a young positional player got a real chance to start was Gardner or Melky, I think. They either don’t trust them or don’t develop them. I do think it is more the latter.
The past three days – I do not think the world has seen so much hedging here since the housing crisis – - – -
86-
I am willing to wager that he doesn’t top .220 with the Yankees in ’13
He’s useless.
But aparently, if you played for the Sux, you will always be someone C-Dummy looks for.
I think the Yanks could use a player like Youk. And then they could sign Pedroia once Cano is jettisoned. What do you think the Dodgers would ask for Beckett?
Stoneburner, you being intentionally facile. If there was a true plan they would have been in great shape to greet 2013. It was quite doable. They instead misread their offense and overrated their aging players, dealing from weakness to shore up strength. And we are talking about an ill-conceived plan and lack of trust in youth regarding the offense and position players here. Cashman does not trust any of them. I suppose you think Youk will be a great signing.
Philly could be getting Young to trade to us.
*you’re
Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 10:41 am
But all of this is for naught.. we aren’t signing Youk. C’mon guys, say it with me: We aren’t signing Youk and this is just rumor-mongering!
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Sources tell me that Youklis just claimed someone gave him a hot foot….Spontaneous combustion about to engage…times are good again.
Please elucidate us on the plan.
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Ahhh – the plan is to get under 189 by 2014. Again – you may not LIKE their plan – but to say there is no plan is inaccurate – - – -
@jaysonst: Buzz this morning points toward Rangers zeroing in on Greinke & trading for a bat instead of signing Josh Hamilton & dealing for an arm
Swoop Cashman Swoop!
Ahhh – the plan is to get under 189 by 2014. Again – you may not LIKE their plan – but to say there is no plan is inaccurate – – – -
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That is not a plan, that is a goal. A plan is how you accomplish a goal.
Stoneburner, you being intentionally facile. If there was a true plan they would have been in great shape to greet 2013. It was quite doable. They instead misread their offense and overrated their aging players, dealing from weakness to shore up strength. And we are talking about an ill-conceived plan and lack of trust in youth regarding the offense and position players here. Cashman does not trust any of them. I suppose you think Youk will be a great signing.
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No again we are talking about two things. There is a plan. You just do not LIKE the way they are going about it or want them to have a different plan. But to say there is NO plan is not true.
why the hell didn’t someone spill a beer on Mrs. Youkilis when we had the chance?
Ahhh – the plan is to get under 189 by 2014. Again – you may not LIKE their plan – but to say there is no plan is inaccurate – – – -
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This is a goal. The plan is how to field a team with that goal in mind and they dont have any ….
I’m starting to think the most interesting thing about 2013 will be watching the progress of Austin, Sanchez, Mesa, Mustellier, Adams, Flores et al.
the MLB team isn’t very interesting at the moment.
Ahhh – the plan is to get under 189 by 2014. Again – you may not LIKE their plan – but to say there is no plan is inaccurate – – – -
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That is not a plan, that is a goal. A plan is how you accomplish a goal.
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For any plan you to have something your striving for – they are both linked. They are executing their plan to reach below 2014. So there is a plan. Again – you may not LIKE the way their going about their plan, but there is a plan – - – -
So there is a plan. Again – you may not LIKE the way their going about their plan, but there is a plan – – – -
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Ok so what is their plan?
I only went to 2 games last year, because the team was so boring.
If they sign Youk going down to zero, because I can’t look at that guy in a Yankee Uniform in person.
Jerkface…. He is mixing up goal and plan so no point in arguing over it….
Definition of a plan:
“To have as a specific aim or purpose;”
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You think the Yankees will let me postpone my season tickets until they’re relevant again?
Maybe do an exchange with the Tampa Yankees and the Trenton Thunder?
maybe Yes can broadcast their games over the MLB Yankees.
That would definitely draw higher ratings.
why the hell didn’t someone spill a beer on Mrs. Youkilis when we had the chance?
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You mean Tom Brady’s sister?
Yeah it gets much worse.
@AndrewMarchand: Yankees are listening to offers on Granderson, Hughes and Nova
I’m starting to think the most interesting thing about 2013 will be watching the progress of Austin, Sanchez, Mesa, Mustellier, Adams, Flores et al.
the MLB team isn’t very interesting at the moment.
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If Cash came ut today and said: We are going to let Romine and Cervelli complete for the C position. We are goingto let Adams/Nunez/Mustelier compete for 3B and we are going to let Mesa/Dickerson/Zoilo and others compete for RF, that’s a plan…..
AndrewMarchand Yankees are listening to offers on Granderson, Hughes and Nova
16 seconds ago · reply · retweet · favorite
SHOCKING!!!!!
Hey, Brady’s a Yankee fan, isn’t he?
Bronx, you had me laughing really hard with that Uncle Funster comment. LMAO.
So there is a plan. Again – you may not LIKE the way their going about their plan, but there is a plan – – – -
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Ok so what is their plan?
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We are seeing it unfold – but to say there is no plan and they are just wondering around aimlessly – there is no evidence of that – or else they would not have signed the pitching staff they way they did – there was a plan there – get the staff in order before the winter meetings – could that have been step one – gosh – I don’t know – - –
“A scheme, program, or method worked out beforehand for the accomplishment of an objective”
“a method for achieving an end”
“a detailed formulation of a program of action”
“A detailed proposal for doing or achieving something”
@AndrewMarchand: Yankees are listening to offers on Granderson, Hughes and Nova
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Oh my goodness – the Yankees plan might involve trades – - – - get *&^% out of here – - – - -
@Joelsherman1: #yankees don’t think Michael Young can handle 3b, so didn’t inquire on A-Rod pal, in Young’s hands if will accept deal to #Phillies #Rangers
And they think Youk can?
blake December 6th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@AndrewMarchand: Yankees are listening to offers on Granderson, Hughes and Nova
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Hughes had a good year.
“Pitching, pitching, pitching!”
“I have a dream…”
Of course they oul try to trade Nova and Hughes. Or youth, and in Nova’s case (cost controlled). Here is thought, extend Hughes NOW and give a little certainty to what the future will look like…
Poor Cashman he was sent to Nashville with pennies…
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Andrew Marchand?@AndrewMarchand
Agents said that in meetings Cashman has not been able to move forward with deals.
For me, the most depressing part is that there really are too few good young ball players out there that could even be acquired by trade–even if it means trading Granderson, Cano, Sabathia, Hughes, and others. I’m not sure that the talent received back would be able to play in NYC.
The few I would hope to get (Harper, Trout, Stanton) are rarely made available…
And I have zero faith in any low level prospects int he system now…I never can get excited about them until AAA or a cup of coffee in MLs.
@AndrewMarchand: Agents said that in meetings Cashman has not been able to move forward with deals.
@AndrewMarchand: Yankees are listening to offers on Granderson, Hughes and Nova
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Not surprised. Let’s rid ourselves of all homegrown Yankee pitchers because other team’s young pitchers are so much better than ours even when they are on the DL.
I think I have a plan though–
I plan to take up drinking a lot this year.
We are seeing it unfold – but to say there is no plan and they are just wondering around aimlessly – there is no evidence of that – or else they would not have signed the pitching staff they way they did – there was a plan there – get the staff in order before the winter meetings – could that have been step one – gosh – I don’t know – – –
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They aren’t walking around aimlessly?
So far they have made two offers: Nate Schierholtz and Kevin Youkilis. If that is their ‘plan’ we are in a lot of trouble….
And they think Youk can?
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Youk has that Theo-induced je ne sais quois
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Youk for 12 million…I have no words.
The lack of planning for this day that everyone except for the Kool Aid drinkers saw coming was obvious & now we’re running out with the checkbook overpaying whatever is left as long as they only come for one season. None of it makes sense and if they try to position Youk as their #1 target for 3b they are lying.
That said, if it happens at least he plays hard. I don’t know what he has left and the fact that he’s really a Red Sox guy irks me, but I rooted for Clemens, Damon and Boggs and they all helped us win titles.
It’s just sad that they misread the market, didn’t plan for this budget nonsense accordingly over the years and are now forced to go out into the market making huge reaches on players that will only come here for 1 season.
The Yankees goal is not to win anymore. It’s the budget game they are playing in 2014.
I know I and many other fans, aren’t going to chip in to their coffers next year so they can win their $189 million coupon bonanza.
And I might even skip seeing Mo pitch in the flesh one more time. It’s coming to that.
What’s going on here is wrong. It’s dirty. It’s not the Yankees anymore. It’s some soulless corporation with a balance sheet.
They can fix this if they knock off this nonsense before the real players who are out there who can help this moribund offense are signed before they go off the board in a few hours.
Or is that a goal?
Get Michael Young and Ruiz from Philly for Joba and Granderson.
brianlopez22 December 6th, 2012 at 10:49 am
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You think the Yankees will let me postpone my season tickets until they’re relevant again?
Maybe do an exchange with the Tampa Yankees and the Trenton Thunder?
maybe Yes can broadcast their games over the MLB Yankees.
That would definitely draw higher ratings.
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Some of you are beyond ridiculous with these stupid comments. Relevant again? They;ve missed the playoffs once in what? 18 years? Its Dec 6 for God’s sake. Chill out!! Does the seaosn start tommorrow?
I really doubt that the Yanks would get anything great for either of those players. It would be selling low on Nova and Hughes and Granderson are free agents next year. I would trade Granderson just to free up some money.
#yankees don’t think Michael Young can handle 3b, so didn’t inquire on A-Rod pal, in Young’s hands if will accept deal to #Phillies
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Didn’t even check in……
Don’t think the Rangers would trade us Young directly but I’d love to have him at the right price.
Perhaps if goes to Philly we could arrange a 3-way.
They want Grandy.
We could use Young, Ruiz, and maybe Domonic Brown.
Maybe Grandy + for those three.
Good idea ? Bad idea ? Impossible idea ?
G. love,
As I said this morning….. That midnight post of yours was a grand slam off the 3rd deck
blake December 6th, 2012 at 10:53 am
@AndrewMarchand: Agents said that in meetings Cashman has not been able to move forward with deals.
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Sell the team already.
Get Michael Young and Ruiz from Philly for Joba and Granderson.
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Dude! Ruiz is suspended for the first 8th of the season for PEDs.
@AndrewMarchand: Agents said that in meetings Cashman has not been able to move forward with deals.
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At this point, even Cashman has to be wondering why he is even there……
Another definition of a plan with the elements
A scheme, program, or method worked out beforehand for the accomplishment of an objective
So we have (1) a scheme, program, or method, (2) worked out beforehand, (3) for the accomplishment of an objective.
Evidence of the plan so far.
Element 1 shows that they locked up their pitching before hand. This suggestes a scheme, program, or method. Further, element 2 is met here as well because they worked this out beforehand to sign their pitching before the winter meetings. Element 3 is to field a winning team for 2013 while not jeopardizing the 2014 budget.
They had a plan last year – worked well – got them as one of the top 4 teams in baseball.
Again – you might not like their plan and how they go about the three elements above – but there is a plan – - – -
@AndrewMarchand
If Youk signs, Yankees would want to add a lefty bat to complement
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They are offering $12M for the less important half of a platoon!?
Sorry Mick-
Missed your post.
We are thinking along similar lines.
Element 1 shows that they locked up their pitching before hand.
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How does locking up pitching to 1 year deals help them field a competitive team in 2014?
@AndrewMarchand
If Youk signs, Yankees would want to add a lefty bat to complement
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They are offering $12M for the less important half of a platoon!?
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It’s all part of the MASTERPLAN!
G. Love December 6th, 2012 at 10:54 am
It’s just sad that they misread the market, didn’t plan for this budget nonsense accordingly over the years and are now forced to go out into the market making huge reaches on players that will only come here for 1 season.
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To be fair, the new CBA changed everything…AROD’s injury also threw a wrench into things…sh*t happens sometimes.
Andrew Marchand?@AndrewMarchand
Agents said that in meetings Cashman has not been able to move forward with deals.
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Here’s the thing; we have been holding to this budget for two years. Therefore, show off your GM abilities and make some deals to get some young talent. What has Cash done that shows any ingenuity or evaluative skills to get youth/talent into the mix? Or say you are punting the season, and waiting for the kids to develop. One of the problems as I see it, as per the discussion last night, is that the Yankees have been trying to pass off as steak what is really ground chuck. And the fans don’t appreciate that and are too smart not to know it. Call a spade a spade. Stop BSing us.
Whole system out of control–MLB reporting that Greinke deal could exceed $160 million, complete insanity for a fragile pitcher with a 91-78 record over 9 years most of those years in NL
If they trade Granderson to the Phillies, they should as that Tommy Joseph be included in any package coming back.
If they were goin to throw 12M out there, give it to AJ Pierzynski and let one of our kids play 3rd. Catcher is more important than 3B.
Thanks JAP. I’m all for levity in these desperate times we find ourselves in.
Good idea ? Bad idea ? Impossible idea ?
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see above 10:55.
ruiz out for 25 games, that’s the month of April DUDE.
talk of shortsightedness.
Cashman is lost and broke. Not something that you want to see from the gm of the New York Yankees.
IMHO Youk is a reasonable choice. He has been a fine hitter. He’s not that old. He can substitute for ARod while he’s recuperating.
If he can stay healthy and get back his form he’s a great addition to the offense. If not, he’s a 1-year contract that doesn’t impact 2014. I see Youk as this year’s Ibanez.
At this point in their careers Chavez is a better hitter and a MUCH better fielder than Youk?
We offer Youk $12M but we couldn’t offer Chavez $5M ?
Mindless.
@AndrewMarchand
If Youk signs, Yankees would want to add a lefty bat to complement
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Makes no sense … so in another words … lets platoon the platoon player we are on the verge of signing ??
I think there is a good chance yanks can profit in becoming a seller by mid season if things don’t go well. I really don’t see anyone as untouchable on this roster…
The yAnkees cannot trade Granderson right now…..they’d have one outfielder left
The Yankees “goal” is to get under the $189M threshold in 2014.
What they need, and haven’t demonstrated thus far, is a “plan” to field a championship caliber team while meeting that goal.
That scares me. Cashman engaged in trade market. The man has never made a trade in which he hasn’t been badly taken, with the exception of the Swisher-White Sox deal. Now he’s kind of desperate—can’t sign free agents by outspending other teams.
The Yankees have enough all stars at every position to easily win, it’s just that they have to play to their potential.
It’s good that the ownership has seen the light.
Here’s the thing; we have been holding to this budget for two years. Therefore, show off your GM abilities and make some deals to get some young talent. What has Cash done that shows any ingenuity or evaluative skills to get youth/talent into the mix? Or say you are punting the season, and waiting for the kids to develop. One of the problems as I see it, as per the discussion last night, is that the Yankees have been trying to pass off as steak what is really ground chuck. And the fans don’t appreciate that and are too smart not to know it. Call a spade a spade. Stop BSing us.
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Perfectly said!!! Say you are playing the kids! Own it! And I also agree if this has been the plan, why the hell is Cashman still trying to operate like the old Yankees? Even friggin Ben Cherington was able to dump his big contracts and get freedom and some youth back… If Cashman can’t, get someone who can.
I honestly don’t understand bringing Kuroda back for a year.
We should go out and trade him, CC, Robertsen, Cano, Grandy, Hughes & anyone that other teams may want.
You can’t trade Tex because no one is buying a .240 hitter at those prices.
they can, if they had a plan blake.
Jed Hoyer said the goal of any GM is to make sure the team has no holes. Oops. The he said he wants to acquire players with upside and not peaked or on the downhill. Oops again.
Holes are good. It is only December and their will be another free agent class this winter, right? Oh, we missed out on that.
Mick-
I’m with you on the Ruiz thing.
They can hold the fort till he is reinstated w cervelli/romine.
Once he is freed up you have yourself a dynamite C.
Cashman has always made his moves with millions in his pocket. I hate to get on him but who knows if he is a good enouh gm to operate with a low budget. The gm’s of small market teams are used to it but he isn’t. These platoons are insane.
Hal needs to come outta hiding and explain to The Yankee Faithful, exactly what is going on here. The Yankees are actively pursuing several players to fill gaping holes, yet they make Only 1 legitimate offer ??? As a result, they are repeatedly “beat to the punch” and Fail to sign these players??? If Hal has completely turned off the Money Spickett, he needs to man-up, and tell The Yankee Faithful this. In general, Hal needs to come clean. The Yankees are quickly turning into a laughing stock, as evidenced last night on the MLB Network when they were referred to as “coupon clippers” amidst raucous laughter.
Cashmoney says:
December 6, 2012 at 11:02 am
they can, if they had a plan blake.
Sure….sign Hamilton , Ichiro and Hairston and trade Granderson…..but if that or something similar isnt the plan then they can’t trade Granderson
blake December 6th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@AndrewMarchand: Yankees are listening to offers on Granderson, Hughes and Nova
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I discussed this with MTU a bit yesterday.. but it’s almost impossible to deal from the major league roster without opening another hole.
Holes are good. It is only December and their will be another free agent class this winter, right? Oh, we missed out on that.
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In celebration of the hobbit Cashman will be having second winter. He plans to sign Zack Hamileinke and Josh Griton.
Good morning everyone,
They do have a plan to achieve the goal….The are going to wait for every team to sign the players they want and then they are going to swoop in on the scrap heap… this gives them a lot of leverage, since nobody else want their services
I was fearing that they may gut the farm to get either a third baseman or an outfielder. But instead they might gut the farm and at the same time trade our homegrown pitching, SMH. I completely agree on trading Granderson though.
We should go out and trade him, CC, Robertsen, Cano, Grandy, Hughes & anyone that other teams may want.
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Would take D-Rob off that list but all superstar contracts should be open for business…..
chavez is not capable of being a starting 3bman. he’s even kinda fishy being a b/u because of his flaky availability. i dont want youkilis, but chavez could not be considered for the starting job.
Cashmoney December 6th, 2012 at 11:01 am
I think there is a good chance yanks can profit in becoming a seller by mid season if things don’t go well. I really don’t see anyone as untouchable on this roster…
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I’ve been thinking the same thing,
We should of traded cano,and granderson for a 3b,2b,and more,wether that would be prospects that are just ready,or younger,ml ready players,then signed melky,hamilton.
3b,2b,o.f. all taken care of.
Signing cano is going to hurt,and we are going to lose granderson anyways,so why not do it now?
Not sure who the 3b,and 2b we could get for cano,and granderson,but i’d consider prospects,then sign hamilton,and one,or two more free agents.
With next years nice crop of free agents,resetting the cba tax rate,and the new money from yes,we’d be fine.
I’d rather do a prospect only deal for cano,and granderson,wich would free up 30 million.
Not sure Andy and Mo would have signed up unless they were told the team would be improved…..that still gives me hope
I think there is a good chance yanks can profit in becoming a seller by mid season if things don’t go well. I really don’t see anyone as untouchable on this roster…
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Except any of our top prospects and Tex (because he will never waive his NTC).
G.love, I was thinking the same thing… Mo, Kuroda and AP, if healthy, would net you pretty gain . but Mo has a 10 and 5. I think the noontide of their value probably would be TD. the point is, if they are not going all out to win in 13, they be better of spinning off these temp pieces for talents.
Not sure Andy and Mo would have signed up unless they were told the team would be improved…..that still gives me hope
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I think they believed Aex would be here and better than 2012. That hurts a lot!
Shame-
Yes we did but I’m not sure we agreed on what is possible or advisable.
I think we have more trade pieces we can safely part with than some folks.
Not only safely part with should part with.
Donnybrook,
Hal’s explained what they’re doing. Cashman’s explained it. Levine’s explained it.
Us fans just didn’t want to listen because they showed no planning in setting up for this day.
I think for the first time, those 3 publicly told the truth. They are intent on tanking the next 2 seasons at the very least to receive budget perks and make more money.
They’re told us. Now they’re showing us.
The ball’s in our court. Obviously, we’re not going to cancel YES subscriptions, but if the park is half empty all season and the ratings on YES plummet, we’ll send a message to them. Unfortunately, I think they already know they’ll make enough money in other areas to not let it bother them.
They’re destroying the brand in order to reap some savings.
It’s unbelievable.
Here is a plan to compete and get younger :
Sign Hamilton
Sign Ichiro
Sign Hairston
Trade Granderon
Trade Hughes
Sign EJax (if affordable in AAV)
You stay competitve for 2013 and you add players for the future by dealing guys that are about to hit free agency
blake December 6th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@AndrewMarchand: Yankees are listening to offers on Granderson, Hughes and Nova
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Actually listening to offers, or willing to listen?
Shame Spencer December 6th, 2012 at 11:04 am
blake December 6th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@AndrewMarchand: Yankees are listening to offers on Granderson, Hughes and Nova
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I discussed this with MTU a bit yesterday.. but it’s almost impossible to deal from the major league roster without opening another hole.
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I’m fine with trading Grandy and Hughes… They will both likely be gone after this year anyway… I’d hang on to Nova, trading him now would be a major sell low… + he has years of being cheap, I still have faith that Nova will turn last year around and return to form. I’m fine with having 2 down years if they can really build for the future… IMO, based on what we have seen so far this off season, the worst thing that can happen at this point would be the Yankees trying to patch holes by trading the farm.
…so are you guys freaking over losing out on keppinger or shierholz?
…or is it continued mourning over the loss of russell martin?
anyone thinks AJP can be had for 2 for 24 or a tad less?
We could use Young, Ruiz, and maybe Domonic Brown.
Maybe Grandy + for those three.
Good idea ? Bad idea ? Impossible idea ?
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I want Tommy Joseph included, and I’ll also take Ethan Martin, while I’m at it.
Looking around the leagues, the player I wish they would focus on is Asdrubal Cabrera…I said last year that he would be a good candidate to replace DJ at SS when Jeter’s contract expires, and I think he could play 3B until then.
Looks like that ship is ready to sail away too.
If Hughes is not going to be re-upped he should be traded now.
You get more for him that way than just a single draft pick if he walks.
Unless they can get something for Hughes, i would hold him AND extend him…..
thank goodness this forum represents less than 0.00005% of the fanbase. the comments/reactions here are just unreal.
JAP-
Please tell me about those 2. Not familiar.
Unless they can get something for Hughes, i would hold him AND extend him?..
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i agree
luis December 6th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Good morning everyone,
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Good morning, primo!
These are tough times, my friend.
ac1 says:
December 6, 2012 at 11:11 am
Unless they can get something for Hughes, i would hold him AND extend him…..
I would as well….but if he’s not willing to extend now then Id look to trade him and then sign a guy to a similar deal that I was offering Hughes…..like Jackson
They should get Choo… would probably only cost a guy like Warren and a lower-level prospect. He’ll at least provide plus defense and a decent bat. 3rd base I’d still rather see Adams than signing Youkilis. As we’ve all said, Youk can’t stay healthy at 3B and platooning him is dumb anyway. At least fill the RF spot with a capable player. Then just roll with Romine/whoever at catcher. The lineup is going to be really weak next year…
Extending Hughes is going to be very very expensive…especially once Greinke sets new market for SPs. I can’t see them fitting him into their 2014 budget.
ac-
What are the odds they will be able to afford Hughes if he has another productive season ?
They have shown no inclination to do extensions. Foolish as that may be.
“They should get Choo… would probably only cost a guy like Warren and a lower-level prospect”
They should look in to him but the price is likely much higher than that
it all comes down what you can get… if the price is right, that’s should be the thought process on anyone really. the price itself is of course, highly subjective.
MTU December 6th, 2012 at 11:12 am
JAP-
Please tell me about those 2. Not familiar.
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Martin is a nice pitcher with good breaking stuff and he can hit 94, 95 with the heater and when he’s locating, he’s really good.
Joseph is a catcher with some power. I just would like to add some depth back into the catching ranks.
I am off to the races.
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Bronx: amen to humor – even if it’s gallows humor for us these days
If you were me would you head out to Zion NP today or stay here and wait for big news ?
The thing you’re all missing in extending Hughes is he has to want to stay here long term.
With the team clipping coupons next season and the chance he’ll have the worst Yankee offense since the very early 90′s behind him, you think he’ll want to stay here for that or go on to greener pastures.
The 2014 Yankee team is going to be a joke. The crowd’s are going to make booing an art form.
I’d be very happy to trade Hughes (with a good return) and let Joba take his spot in rotation. Then at least you build up Joba’s value for a potential trade before losing him for only a draft pick. You also get to finally see what you have with him.
What’s going on here is wrong. It’s dirty. It’s not the Yankees anymore. It’s some soulless corporation with a balance sheet.
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GLove: this, this, this.
Good day, all.
We should trade Grandy for Darin Ruf & Dom Brown
I would try to trade for chase headley…but if that isn’t possible, signing youklis is a decent fallback option.
His defense is a little below average, but passable. His groundball and infield popups were high last season for him, but his other metrics like line drive and contact rates were the same.
He is probably a 260 hitter with a 370 OBP with 20-25HR power in 2013.
At 12 mill an overpay, but only 1 year.
Health is his biggest concern, but he can still be a 3 win player. It would be a solid signing.
JF,
They’re not trading Ruf, though.
See ya.
If Hughes is solid again this year he would be a strong 27 year old pitcher coming off 3 of 4 very good seasons… He’ll likely command at the very least a 4 year – $48M contract (and likely more)…. Are the Yanks going to be willing to sign him to that type of deal? I think not… Perhaps it would have been a good idea to extend him, of course that’s just not something the Yankees do.
I would as well….but if he’s not willing to extend now then Id look to trade him and then sign a guy to a similar deal that I was offering Hughes…..like Jackson
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I agree. E-Jax is about the player Hughes is so it wouldnt be too much fo a trade off….
blake December 6th, 2012 at 11:14 am
“They should get Choo… would probably only cost a guy like Warren and a lower-level prospect”
They should look in to him but the price is likely much higher than that
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It would probably cost more than I suggested but I actually think his trade value has gone down. I believe that Denard Span is signed for 2-3 more years and he got an A ball pitcher from the Nats. Now it’s a talented A ball pitcher but that’s still pretty far from the big leagues. Choo’s only under contract for 1 year. Maybe Cleveland just holds onto him until the trade deadline but I think he’s getting easier to get ahold of…. at least I hope, haha.
JAP-
Then we go for Young, Ruiz, Martin, and Brown.
We offer Grandy ++
Might work.
I’d be very happy to trade Hughes (with a good return) and let Joba take his spot in rotation. Then at least you build up Joba’s value for a potential trade before losing him for only a draft pick. You also get to finally see what you have with him.
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If we believed for 1 second they would put Joba back in the rotation, this would work…. They are way too stubborn to do that.
Well. It looks like I answered my own question so I’ll catch you all later.
Have a good day.
I check back for trade news later.
Keppinger aint worth 3yr\$4 Mill per, Chavez ain’t worth $3Mill, Shierholtz ain’t worth $2.25 Mill, and I wouldn’t pursue Reynolds. He’s another all-or-nothing\K Machine and the Yanks have enough of those. Yanks should be all over Youk\1yr. Cashman claims he is after 1yr deals, here is one, do it. If Cashman has gotta, “Mother may I”, with Hal concerning every single signing, Hal should be at these meetings. Cashman is Now a well paid Front Man.
FeinsandNYDN Good job by @BryanHoch on the Youkilis report. Offer from Yankees is one year and $12M. Hard to see how he’d turn that down.
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I give up.
Youkilis for $12 million? Really ?
He’s below average fielding at 3B, gets injured all the time and had a bad 2012 season..
LETS GO TRIBE…LETS GO TRIBE…LETS GO TRIBE!!!!
(where’s that annoying guy with the drum when you need him?)
I think the most annoying thing is hearing Hal act like he stil wants to field a champion while hurting the team so bad, while making more money, raising prices, and refusing to spend on the future.
gets injured all the time and had a bad 2012 season..
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Huh ??? he was banged up last year . .. other than that . .Youk has been as steady as a rock . .look at his games played stats ?
The guy is 33 .. NOT 83
JAP!
Tell me about it
1) The old guard is fading in to the sunset.
2) The FO did nothing to anticipate this was going to happen sooner or later, so now we are about to rip the benefits, YAY!
3) Their “now” policy has lead us to this mess and now the self imposed cap… No payroll flexibility, very few prospects on the higher levels to rebuild the core ( those that could have helped traded ).
4) And now the are listening to potential trades to some of the few pieces that can actually help in the future ( Nova and Hughes, although I think that they won’t probably be able to afford Hughes going forward, so they might as well trade him to get some value back, instead of a draft pick though)
Yup…Tough times in deed
There is no a lot inherent risks to trying Joba as a starter, but I don’t think his arm will hold up at this point to the rigors of starting. If the Yanks do part with their current starting pitching then sure. or I dangle him for a catcher… Arencibia? both bosox and Jays could use more bp help and have some surplus in catching
@JonHeymanCBS
#phillies have been talking to the twins about ben revere.
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Can we try for Revere? The Twins want pitching, rigth?
i hope we dont lose ichiro and ibanez.
Huh ??? he was banged up last year . .. other than that . .Youk has been as steady as a rock . .look at his games played stats ?
The guy is 33 .. NOT 83
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Last 5 years
145
136
102
120
122
The big knock on Youk is his inability to stay healthy, it is the reason he moved from 3B to 1B originally. Moving him back to 3B following the A-gon trade saw him get injured due to the position in 2 straight years missing 40 games.
I hae been saying for months the Yankees will have to scrape the bottom of the one year barrell to fill holes. How did I know that? They in essence told us. Now, they have shown us.
At Cashman’s press conference, I hope he is asked tough questions like “How can a team GM come to the winter meetings and not have authority to act?” And, “what is the plan to replace on this team who favored big, hairy guys to replace the 80+ homers that are no longer here?” And “why is Youkilis worth $12M for one year, but you can’t make an offer to Chavez?”
I could go on.
Can we try for Revere? The Twins want pitching, rigth?
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Revere is not the answer. No power CFer that doesnt get on base as much as Gardner.
Mike Ri December 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am
gets injured all the time and had a bad 2012 season..
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Huh ??? he was banged up last year . .. other than that . .Youk has been as steady as a rock . .look at his games played stats ?
The guy is 33 .. NOT 83
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Youk played 102 games in 2010
Youk played 120 games in 2011
Youk played 122 games in 2012
He has been injured in each of the last 3 seasons.
They would not sign Edwin Jackson for his high salary. Have we not been watching?
Maybe Liriano for one year at half of what Jackson will get. Maybe, if Cashman can get Hal on the phone.
@Ken_Rosenthal
Source: Two Upton blockbuster in play. One is three teams: #Diamondbacks, #Rangers, #Rays. Other is four teams, including #Mariners.
why youkilis? b/c he can perform under a pressure cooker environment. he has performed in post seasons and can deal with a rabid fanbase and instigating media. you don’t need to worry about him mentally.
You can’t trade Granderson and not get a single top 100 prospect back, unless you are getting a useful major league piece. Any prospect talk with the Phillies has to start with Jesse Biddle, he’s their only top 100 prospect. Then add Tommy Joseph on top of that.
They only have to worry about him physically, the most important part.
why youkilis? b/c he can perform under a pressure cooker environment. he has performed in post seasons and can deal with a rabid fanbase and instigating media. you don?t need to worry about him mentally.
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Plus its a one year deal !!
JS,
I would do that
DanBarbarisi Source: Yankee GM Cashman came to winter meetings without the authority to make offers on.wsj.com/YF1bXI via @WSJ
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we know….thanks!!!!
You can’t trade Granderson and not get a single top 100 prospect back, unless you are getting a useful major league piece. Any prospect talk with the Phillies has to start with Jesse Biddle, he’s their only top 100 prospect. Then add Tommy Joseph on top of that.
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They should get Ruf, he could be our RFer!
@Ken_Rosenthal: Source: Two Upton blockbuster in play. One is three teams: #Diamondbacks, #Rangers, #Rays. Other is four teams, including #Mariners.
Youk hasn’t hit RHP in 3 years. His K rates will fit in though. $12 mil for a LHP platoon player?
I’d keep both Granderson and Gardner at this point (but move Gardner to center). They are likely better than what the Yanks would be willing to go out and get right now. Still think Choo would be good for RF but we’ll probably see Ichiro and a RH hitting scrub platooning out there.
Ugh, on Upton. I’m betting the Rays get him.
Trade Granderson to the Braves who have more to offer and need an outfielder..
yankeefeminista says:
December 6, 2012 at 11:33 am
Ugh, on Upton. I’m betting the Rays get him.
Nah if he gets dealt then it’ll be Texas …they have the SS Towers wants.
I wonder how many Youkilis t-shirts the Yankees would be able to sell. 3?
@DanBarbarisi: Source: Yankee GM Cashman came to winter meetings without the authority to make offers http://t.co/uNQxdxvf via @WSJ
Jerkface December 6th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Can we try for Revere? The Twins want pitching, rigth?
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Revere is not the answer. No power CFer that doesnt get on base as much as Gardner.
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Fine, be that way!
But he is really young and controlled through 2017. His numbers have slowly improved but yeah his OPS isn’t pretty. If he gave you good D and you could get him for a guy like Nova I’d probably still do it.
3b is not a good situation for youk.
Pt 3b,and dh,i can deal with,but that would mean we’d need a platoon 3b.
Cashman has to be working hard on a trade for a 3b.
Like i said, if they are willing to burn 12M, go get AJ Pierzynski instead.
Youk also works because he is a grinder, the kind of player the Yankees have been missing for the past few seasons. He will get runners in from 3rd with less than two outs. He will work counts. He will try to hit something other than homers.
If he can only play 120 games, big deal. That would be enough.
He is also a very good first baseman, so if Tex needs a break you have an excellent back up.
Can’t wait to see the pictures of Youk and Joba is Spring Training…
Not sure why everyone is complaining. Can’t wait till MLB has a floor and a ceiling for spending.
I understand you pay for YES and the seats, but simply don’t go to the games if you are unhappy.
If the yanks sign youklis, they will probably resign ichiro next…and then add a right handed bat that can handle the outfield corners and smash against lefties. They should probably overpay hairston for 1 yr.
Catcher is tough. I guess you can sign Shoppach and platoon him, or hope AJP signs a 1 yr 13mill deal.
After that is done, look for versatile bench options and possibly look into guys like marcum.
ac1 says:
December 6, 2012 at 11:36 am
Like i said, if they are willing to burn 12M, go get AJ Pierzynski instead.
Seriously….by far
Mike in Harrisburg December 6th, 2012 at 11:35 am
I wonder how many Youkilis t-shirts the Yankees would be able to sell. 3?
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Lol, ya somehow I can’t see Youk t-shirts taking up an entire wall of the Yankee Teamstore like Ichiro did.
blake, we’ll see. Could be a 3-4 way deal.
Cashman has to be working hard on a trade for a 3b.
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Except he is still insistant Alex is our 3B morward.
Also, how much will he set our future back by trading for short term 3b?
If the yanks sign youklis, they will probably resign ichiro next…and then add a right handed bat that can handle the outfield corners and smash against lefties. They should probably overpay hairston for 1 yr.
Catcher is tough. I guess you can sign Shoppach and platoon him, or hope AJP signs a 1 yr 13mill deal.
After that is done, look for versatile bench options and possibly look into guys like marcum.
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That sounds like a lot of spending which it was made crystal clear would NOT be happening.
Not sure why everyone is complaining. Can’t wait till MLB has a floor and a ceiling for spending.
I understand you pay for YES and the seats, but simply don’t go to the games if you are unhappy.
If the yanks sign youklis, they will probably resign ichiro next…and then add a right handed bat that can handle the outfield corners and smash against lefties. They should probably overpay hairston for 1 yr.
Catcher is tough. I guess you can sign Shoppach and platoon him, or hope AJP signs a 1 yr 13mill deal.
After that is done, look for versatile bench options and possibly look into guys like marcum.
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They will likely never have a floor. They only have 10-20 million left to spend, how can they get all those players if they eat up 12 of it on Youkilis?
@DanBarbarisi: Source: Yankee GM Cashman came to winter meetings without the authority to make offers http://t.co/uNQxdxvf via @WSJ
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my goodness
Even back in 2006-2008 when Youkilis was healthy the full year he only played 145 games a season. Generally at that age you expect a starting position player to play 155+ games a year. Just look at Cano.. 160, 159, 161, 160, 159, 161
Youkilis is just a fragile player. He gets hurt a lot and when he’s not hurt the manager has to give him more days off to protect against injury. I’m not sure he’s worth $12 million at this point.
To trade for short term 3B and sacrifice the farm would be unconscionable; only for the long term, and even then I still fear we’ll overpay.
Amazing they are willing to spend 12 million on 1 season of Youk when they could’ve spent 7 million on 1 season of Chavez/Keppinger if they were proactive. Sure, they’d have Keppinger for 2 more years, but they’re going to need 4 million dollar players going forward with the slashing that’s coming.
This is what not having a plan looks like.
?@JonHeymanCBS
superstar logjam at moment. waiting on deals for greinke, upton & hamilton. & they affect each other since tex is in on all
I agree on the Press that attends these Yankee Pressers. Nothing but soft balls are ever pitched at Cashman. It’s basically Clint Eastwood talking to his chair.
Adding old and fragile just means shooting yourself in the foot. I’ll be in Trenton, watching young and fleetfooted, and hoping for their futures.
@DanBarbarisi: Source: Yankee GM Cashman came to winter meetings without the authority to make offers http://t.co/uNQxdxvf via @WSJ
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This is starting to resemble the mess that is the Red Sox.
Why are the Yankees not in on Upton at all? It seriously makes zero sense
G. Love December 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Amazing they are willing to spend 12 million on 1 season of Youk when they could’ve spent 7 million on 1 season of Chavez/Keppinger if they were proactive. Sure, they’d have Keppinger for 2 more years, but they’re going to need 4 million dollar players going forward with the slashing that’s coming.
This is what not having a plan looks like.
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IT Guy: You know that scene in Indiana Jones where the giant ball rock thing is chasing him?
Me: Yeah.
IT Guy: Remember how he gets on the phone and is like, “START THE PLANE!”
Me: Yeah.
IT Guy: There is no plane.
Me: …yeah.
Youk 2010-2012
games: 102, 120, 122
OPS: .975, .833, .745
OPS+: 157, 123, 99
Looks like a declining player to me (he’ll fit right in?).
Also, just for laughs…
HBP: 10, 14, 17
lol
If the Steinbrenners are going to sell, i wish they would have done it a year ago when the Dodgers owners could have bought the Yankees and continued our tradition of spend big and give the fans the best….
Maybe we are,/i> in on Upton… the late arriving mystery team…
ugh, screw up the italics too
If Cleveland doesnt come through … and we end up with Yuk … if anything … at least the throws from 3B back to the pitcher (when Joba is pitching) will be entertaining … that … and having their lockers next to each other …
Why are the Yankees not in on Upton at all? It seriously makes zero sense
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BEcause apparently Cashman came to the meetings with no authority to make any deals.
Good point on AJ. I would far prefer him to Youkilis.
I do not think they are working on a long term 3B solution. They will wait to see if AROD can hobble out there and earn some of his remaining $114M.
No one should get their hopes for anything that would make us happy.
DONNYBROOK December 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
I agree on the Press that attends these Yankee Pressers. Nothing but soft balls are ever pitched at Cashman. It’s basically Clint Eastwood talking to his chair.
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Shame, what plane? A greyhound bus is both our speed and bat speed. Grrrr.
BEcause apparently Cashman came to the meetings with no authority to make any deals.
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Cashman should seriously just quit now, ownership has lost it’s damn mind
while we’re singing the vitues of kevin youkilis, lets not forget what a wonderful clubhouse guy he is…
Go Tribe!
djsunyc December 6th, 2012 at 11:12 am
thank goodness this forum represents less than 0.00005% of the fanbase. the comments/reactions here are just unreal.
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How are they unreal??? The team has holes to fill and are losing guys they targeted. Do ppl actually believe there will be better players available weeks from now.
Patrick December 6th, 2012 at 11:46 am
BEcause apparently Cashman came to the meetings with no authority to make any deals.
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Cashman should seriously just quit now, ownership has lost it’s damn mind
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If that tweet is true then there is no point in going.
Patrick,
We’re not in on Upton because AZ wants a top young SS and I don’t think they view Nunez as that.
That whole Upton trade is about them getting their franchise SS for the franchise OF they don’t want anymore.
ac1, trying to free up Grandy salary before making a move for JUp? We’ll be waiting forever.
How can a GM come with no authority to act? He should quit.
while we’re singing the vitues of kevin youkilis, lets not forget what a wonderful clubhouse guy he is…
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This is less of a concern. Sox clubhouse was disfunctional. Get around a good clubhouse like the Yankees and he will fall in line. If not, he will find a 97 mph fastball flying at his head from the other side of the clubhouse courtesy of a mystery man (Joba in a hoodie).
We’re not in on Upton because AZ wants a top young SS and I don’t think they view Nunez as that.
That whole Upton trade is about them getting their franchise SS for the franchise OF they don’t want anymore.
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Thank you, that makes sense. It’s still really frustrating though.
That’s where the 3-4 way deal comes in… ‘Zona can get the SS from someone else…
Speaking of SS, DSL article on PP talked pretty glowingly of our lower rung non-stateside SS’s. Not trade material now, but interesting to see where those kids are in three years.
ac1 December 6th, 2012 at 11:23 am
I think the most annoying thing is hearing Hal act like he stil wants to field a champion while hurting the team so bad, while making more money, raising prices, and refusing to spend on the future.
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I think whats becoming clear is how little passion Hal has for the Yankees. From barely going to games to not being seen often to looking at the Yankees as just numbers on a sheet to everything.
ac1, trying to free up Grandy salary before making a move for JUp? We’ll be waiting forever.
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not only does cashman have no room to make deals, i dont think he has the abilities to deal from the seller standpoint. He doesnt seem to know how to market his overpriced talent to get something back the way others do to him as a buyer….
If not, he will find a 97 mph fastball flying at his head from the other side of the clubhouse courtesy of a mystery man (Joba in a hoodie).
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Or Mo will work one of his non-violent miracles on Youk, but I still don’t want him on my team.
@Ken_Rosenthal: One possible outcome in a #Rangers-#Diamondbacks-#Rays three-way trade: Upton to TEX; a TB starter to AZ; Olt, other prospects to TB.
Mark Cuban for next Yankee owner.
Passion and willingness to spend!
“people he targeted”….what a crock of spit. just because the yankees inquired about how much nate shierholtz would want to come to ny doesnt make him a ‘target’.
if i go into macys and look at the pricetag on a shirt, was i ‘targeting’ the shirt or just looking at the price?
and if i don’t buy it, was i ‘outbid’ or did i just decide it wasnt worth the asking price?
and if i don’t buy it, was i ‘outbid’ or did i just decide it wasnt worth the asking price?
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Forget the outbid theory.
The report is Cashman came with no authority to make any offers or any deals….
How is that even possible?
lets face it . Cashman has his hands tied by ownership !
I used to subscribe to PP. Had they been accurate in assessing players, we would have about ten all stars come out of the system. Overly optimistic is an understatement.
They need to keep working Gumbs at short. He has some ability.
Anyway you wantta slice it, Schierholtz aint worth anything close to $2.25 Mill.
I never wants Nate Schlitz. Go get Ichiro and Cody Ross while we still can unless Hal gets badgered into a Hamilton signing.
Would have been really interesting if Mo and Andy retired and Kuroda went back to Japan
Schierholtz is still better than the curent Yankee options and cheaper than players they could get. Just not cheap enough to warrant the call for money.
“people he targeted”….what a crock of spit. just because the yankees inquired about how much nate shierholtz would want to come to ny doesnt make him a ‘target’.
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Reports say they really wanted Keppinger, Chavez, and Schierholtz. That is as targeted as it gets.
theres alot of really really gullible people here. quoting twitter idiots and believing cashman’s misinformation about what the yankees are really up to,
c’mon man, you need to be smarter than that.
so then the Yankees have never targeted anyone except who they have acquired?
so cashman has no authority, huh? its really really too bad someone hasnt invented a device where cashman could speak to hal from all the way down there in nashville to get ‘authority’ if he needed it.
what is the air-speed velocity of a carrier pidgeon with a request for ‘authority’ taped to it’s leg?
Forget Ross. Make a run at Ludwick\1yr. Looks to be the 2013 version of Willingham.
austinmac, all sources have their flaws, PP, BA, Law, but the more info the merrier. Then one hopefully goes to observe and makes ones own decisions.
Ludwick already has a 2 + year offer from the Reds
*spoiler alert*
Cashman was like one of those toothless zombies from The Walking Dead.
I can get down with a Ludwick/Ichiro signing.
I could only imagine the shape of team if Cash didn’t go to the winter meetings
Last I counted the Yankees are currently -20 million from last year’s payroll (actual payroll, not aav). I doubt they would go over last year’s number. Keep that in mind when you are saying you want this guy, that guy, etc.
this is going to be an issue next off season too, but worse with maybe no Pettitte, Rivera, Kuroda, Hughes, Joba, Granderson, Cano….
Next year we get to watch them try to fill a roster that only has CC, Alex, Tex, Jeter and Gardner.
“Reports say they really wanted Keppinger, Chavez, and Schierholtz. That is as targeted as it gets.”
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so ‘reports’ (love that term) are that they ‘targeted’ these guys so hard that they ‘reportedly’ (there it is again…) didn’t make offers to them.
that’s some heavy ‘targeting’….reportedly…
Cashman should just be strolling around the Lobby of the hotel, wearing a sandwich board that reads, “JUST CALL HAL”.
Granted just a ‘source’ but…
Andy Martino?@MartinoNYDN
Source: Mets talked to Yanks, Nats re: Dickey this week. Both liked him, but no fit. Yanks don’t have pieces, Alderson wouldn’t trade in div
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Why is Cashman discussing pitchers when we have no RF, C, 3B, bench?
So we’re heavily targeting Kevin Youkilis, hooray. Either way, in terms of offers, you’re having to listen to the media. Sherman says we bid for Schierholtz.
Cashman should just be strolling around the Lobby of the hotel, wearing a sandwich board that reads, ?JUST CALL HAL?.
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LMAO !!
DONNYBROOK December 6th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Cashman should just be strolling around the Lobby of the hotel, wearing a sandwich board that reads, “JUST CALL HAL”.
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I don’t always agree with Donny but that was funny
I really wonder how much money Cashman has left to spend. If Youk takes the $12m do the Yanks have any money to get a real RFer? They need to replace Swish with someone decent not a 4th outfielder.
Phillies got Revere from the Twins, so there goes a Grandy option?
DONNYBROOK December 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
I agree on the Press that attends these Yankee Pressers. Nothing but soft balls are ever pitched at Cashman. It’s basically Clint Eastwood talking to his chair.
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Or, Obama’s WH press “corpseman “( & women )
ac1 December 6th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Granted just a ‘source’ but…
Andy Martino?@MartinoNYDN
Source: Mets talked to Yanks, Nats re: Dickey this week. Both liked him, but no fit. Yanks don’t have pieces, Alderson wouldn’t trade in div
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Why is Cashman discussing pitchers when we have no RF, C, 3B, bench?
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Maybe acquire Dickey and move Hughes or Nova plus others in a deal to get an OFer
call rawlings or mizuno and order some brooks robinson model gloves and ship them to eduardo nunez. then go hire scott brosious to come tutor him.
but first, pull that damned offer to youkilis before he grabs it.
ac1 December 6th, 2012 at 11:50 am
while we’re singing the vitues of kevin youkilis, lets not forget what a wonderful clubhouse guy he is…
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Maybe he didn’t like the chicken!
No youk ! YUK !
“Why is Cashman discussing pitchers when we have no RF, C, 3B, bench?”
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…maybe because sandy alderson called and he answered his phone?
Cashman: “When the dust settles, we’re going to be a team that people aren’t going to be comfortable playing.”
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The other teams will be uncomfortable around the obviously poor, naked, starving 3B, C, & RF playing for the Yankees.
Does it make people feel better the Yankees targeted no one than they offered too little? It has been repeated a number of times that Cashman hadn’t been authorized to make offers to players. Despite the cell phone device he has, Hal never gave him that authority.
When the dust settles or the dirt has been put over the casket, others won’t want to play them.
…maybe because sandy alderson called and he answered his phone?
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Why would Alderson call if the Yankees didnt have the pieces to get him?
“Why is Cashman discussing pitchers when we have no RF, C, 3B, bench?”
ac1, come on now, you know you know the answer to that.
idk about anyone else, but it does make me happy the yankees didnt pay stupid money to scutaro, keppinger and that lot.
Idea:
Yankees get involved in Upton trade. Towers wants a SS…he can have Nunez.
Nunez to DBs, Olt to Yankees, Upton to Texas.
Obviously the deal would include more players than that, particularly from the Yankees. Maybe get Granderson involved somehow. Gardner goes to CF. Sign Hamilton to 3 or 4 years, and you pocket the money offered to Youkilis to play 3B.
Find a platoon for RF or LF depending where Hamilton plays. Ibanez/Dickerson and then a RH OF should work…
Then, all we have to do is fill in bench slots. Ensure that Nix is brought back as a backup IF, particularly at SS.
When ARod comes back, he’s our full time DH.
too much for Cashman to digest
Let’s also not forget that they do not have a LH or RH DH. Cashman is waiting for authority to pay someone for that role too.
I bet an accountant on Hal’s staff is the one telling Cashman what he can spend.
“…dust settles…” Any idea how long it will take the dust to settle Brian? A month, a year, two or three? It must be something about the way the NYY operate, Cashman, Joe, Derek, nobody gives a straight answer. They speak a lot of words and say nothing.
Cashman: “When the dust settles, we’re going to be a team that people aren’t going to be comfortable playing.”
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I think he forgot to add ‘for’ at the end. Comfortable playing for…
Transformation of expectations: championship calibre team to competitive team to an uncomfortable team to play. Next up, a team that has a chance to win any given game.
So Cashman was not authorized to make a $3M deal for Chavez but is authorized to make a $12M offer to Youkilis?
I’m guessing that WSJ story is entirely false.
I bet an accountant on Hal’s staff is the one telling Cashman what he can spend.
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The accountant is Hal remember he loves spread sheets and numbers.
ive always been fine with cashman’s disinformation when it comes to yankees plans. it drives some people nuts, but i like it.
” AAA December 6th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
So Cashman was not authorized to make a $3M deal for Chavez but is authorized to make a $12M offer to Youkilis?
I’m guessing that WSJ story is entirely false.
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….but it’s a “report” and it was on the interwebs, so it has to be true…
ive always been fine with cashman’s disinformation when it comes to yankees plans. it drives some people nuts, but i like it.
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It seems to be working wonders so far
“Most of my conversations were, ‘Where are you at in the marketplace and what is it going to take?’” Cashman said. “They would give me that information, I would say, ‘I appreciate it,’ and we didn’t make an offer.”
Cashman said that even though the Yankees had interest in Keppinger, Chavez and outfielder Nate Schierholtz, he has no regrets after hearing what other clubs paid for them.
“So far, what’s transpired, I wouldn’t do,” Cashman said. “In terms of what’s happened this particular week, those opportunities, I’m comfortable with. That’s all.”
http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....ng-sources
idk about anyone else, but it does make me happy the yankees didnt pay stupid money to scutaro, keppinger and that lot.
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Nothing especially outlandish about the $4M per for Keppinger.
Nothing especially outlandish about the $4M per for Keppinger.
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Careful, thats Damaso Marte money.
Another day, another nothing.
@JimBowdenESPNxm: Kevin Towers made it clear to us he is looking for a SS he controls more than 2 yrs so no Andrus or Cabrera
Nunie!!
Why is Cashman discussing pitchers when we have no RF, C, 3B, bench?
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We all know pitching holds the keys to the kingdom.
Missed out big time on Keppinger ! The type every team needs on its roster.
blake,
I JUST posted something about that above. Take a look.
Really no idea why we’re not hearing the Yankees involvement there unless Towers isn’t interested in Nunez.
I am glad some support the Yankees “plan”. The team is counting on you to buy tickets. That itchy feeling is the wool over your eyes.
I don’t think the WSJ article is wrong. Boras said that Cashman was going to call Hal last night for authority. He got it for Youkilis.
austinmac December 6th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
I am glad some support the Yankees “plan”. The team is counting on you to buy tickets. That itchy feeling is the wool over your eyes.
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It’s not Itchyro ?
Headline says it all. Not exactly a great show of support for the org”s resident geniuses! Insert gag reflex here please!