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Random thoughts the day after the Winter Meetings

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 07, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just a few random thoughts on the morning after baseball’s Winter Meetings…

• If it wasn’t obvious already, it certainly is now: Nick Swisher’s free agency was a huge blow to this team (thought not as huge as Alex Rodriguez’s decline).

• The criticism about the Yankees not spending money is understandable — and fair, I think, in at least the case of letting Russell Martin leave on a not-so-overwhelming contract — but isn’t reactionary spending a big part of what created this mess in the first place? Don’t the Yankees have to change their approach at least a little bit? I’m not sure anything completely irreplaceable has come off the market at a reasonable rate, but I’m also not sure the Yankees are in a position to actually sign or trade for the alternatives that are out there. We know what they’re not going to do with the lineup. Still waiting to see what they are going to do.

• One year, $2.25 million didn’t seem like too much to give up for Nate Schierholtz, but there does seem to be a pretty large group of left-handed corner outfielders on the market. There are platoon options out there.

• That said, I talked to one rival executive at the Meetings who thought the Yankees should make a huge push for right-handed hitter Cody Ross.

• Speaking of Ross… It’s amazing how little right-handed power is on this Yankees roster right now. Mark Teixeira has a lot of pop from the right side, but that’s about it. Curtis Granderson and Robinson Cano — especially Cano — saw their numbers really dip against lefties last season, and if that continues, the Yankees are going to need someone to help balance the lineup.

• I understand the idea of trading Granderson — there’s a better defensive center fielder in-house, he’s about to become an expensive free agent, he’s flawed because of the strikeouts but still valuable because of the power — but where is there a match on the trade market? Only a contending team is going to want him on a one-year deal, but what can a contending team give in return that’s going to help the Yankees and make up for Granderson’s production? Not saying it can’t happen, just saying it’s more complicated than, “Get something for him before he becomes a free agent.”

• I’ll say this for Kevin Youkilis: Last year’s numbers are better than I thought they were. They’re not great (obviously) but he still reached base at a solid rate, hit for a little bit of power and had good all-around numbers against lefties. He’s clearly not what he used to be, but he might not be as completely lost as I thought.

• Ran into an American League front office guy who I’ve known for years. We started talking about value on the free agent market, and the thing he kept talking about was innings. Getting consistent innings from starting pitchers has a impact on the bullpen, which has an impact on the other starters. I wonder if the Yankees have enough reliable innings in their rotation. Wouldn’t it be good to limit the workload on Hiroki Kuroda and Andy Pettitte from time to time?

• Not shocked that Rafael Soriano hasn’t found a home by now, but it’s a little surprising that his name hasn’t come up at all this winter. I realize teams are hesitant to spend big on closers, but you’d think we’d at least hear some speculation about him. I wonder if that will change as teams develop a better sense of who they are and whether one big piece could make a difference.

• One other thought on Soriano: The Yankees got away with a qualifying offer this year. I wonder if the closer market could change enough that we won’t see qualifying offers extended to any relievers in the future.

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268 Responses to “Random thoughts the day after the Winter Meetings”

  1. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Blake-

    I agree with MTU. You have pushed hard for Hamilton and made good arguments why he could fit under the Holiday tree.

    Should Greinke sign with the Rangers, would Hamilton really want to go to Seattle, even though they moved the right field fence in 4, yes four, feet. They still have little chance to beat out Texas and LA in that division, as well as the A’s.

  2. Ys Guy December 7th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    hamilton will follow the benjamins…

  3. PacoDooley December 7th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    “Not shocked that Rafael Soriano hasn’t found a home by now, but it’s a little surprising that his name hasn’t come up at all this winter”
    —————————–

    I was also noting the conspicuous lack of news related to Soriano. I said it at the time – he was probably foolish to turn down the offer given that he would have a hard time recouping that much as a free agent while carrying draft pick compensation. Boras can talk about 4/$60m all he wants to, but I personally think Soriano will be lucky to get 3 years, and I am guessing he will end up at or below 3/$30m. There is a LOT of cash out there, but it doesn’t seem to be translating into a lot of money for guys that pitch an inning at a time.

  4. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    MTU-

    It’s on its way.

  5. MTU December 7th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    It’s mop walk time.

    Before I go I’m “pretend” awarding Hmailton to Blake to do with as he wishes.

    Later.

    :)

  6. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Chad-

    Good post and your thoughts mirror mine.

    Schierholtz got himself a full-time RF job with the Cubs.

    What will Cody Ross get, now that Shane Victorino got 3/39M?

    The Yankees should have tried to snag David Ross who went early for 2/6.2M.

    Too bad the Yankees didn’t talk to Chavez and relay interest in him.

    Little interst in Granderson who apparently has been shopped quietly since the first week in November.

  7. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    • The criticism about the Yankees not spending money is understandable — and fair, I think, in at least the case of letting Russell Martin leave on a not-so-overwhelming contract — but isn’t reactionary spending a big part of what created this mess in the first place? Don’t the Yankees have to change their approach at least a little bit?
    ///

    Chad,

    The long-term contracts would not have been so debilitating had Cashman not traded ALL THREE promising young bats he had.

    Changing their approach would have been fine and tolerable had they kept even just ONE of Austin Jackson, Melky Cabrera, or Jesus Montero.

    Imagine if they had kept all 3?

    Would blood have to be spilled today, and would they have limped through ABs and been so thoroughly dismissed by Detroit pitching with those three guys occupying 3 of nine spots? With even two of them?

    Cashman and whoever is advising him have completely blown it, getting rid of ALL 3 YOUNG BATS who were either in the majors, on the verge of the majors, or the closest thing we had to the majors.

    What are we looking for? Bats.

    Do the math.

  8. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    Sorry, I’m going to keep pounding this every time I read about how “Cashman’s hands are tied – we’re blaming the wrong people.”

    Cashman willingly traded upside youngsters and has demonstrated a blindness and cavalier indifference to the notion of contact and prime years hitters. It’s like trying to build an architectural house soundly and forgetting to hire a structural engineer to make it actually work.

  9. 86w183 December 7th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Morning gang!

    I don’t think Schierholtz is any better than Dickerson so I don’t see that as a loss at all.

    I agree RH power is a major weakness. Since last season the Yanks have lost Martin, ARod and Swisher. That’s quite a few HR versus LHP.

    Ross now makes a lot of sense, but I don’t see any way he takes a one year deal unless it’s for $ 15 M or more.

    Soriano could end up being an epic mis-read for Mr. boras.

  10. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    BD (Boston Dave) December 7th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Bob Nightengale of USA Today was told by a rival general manager that the Yankees are “quietly running a background check” on Josh Hamilton.
    —————————–

    I said this last night, and I’ll say it again.. some people need to go sit in a church to find their faith – all I need is Josh Hamilton. Please don’t let this be a tease…

    And yes.. the honey badger will be making another appearance today as the confirmed mascot of Team Greedy’s. Honey badger don’t care, honey badger takes what it wants: http://www.zazzle.com/honey_ba.....4036884976

  11. blake December 7th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    I do think it’s kinda funny that one of their needs is RH power….ironic really.

  12. Chip December 7th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    JAP -

    Couldn’t disagree with you more.

    First of all, Melky wasn’t a promising bat – he was a fourth OF who was starting to get more money than he was worth through arbitration. I won’t believe he’s more than that until I see him do what he did in SF and KC without the taint of steroids.

    In dealing Austin Jackson he got a young all-star with a reasonable contract in Granderson and for Montero he got a young, cost controlled RH pitcher with ace upside…consider that when you look at the contract Greinke is about to sign.

    What’s more, all three players that he traded had major flaws; Melky, as I said, is a fourth outfielder, Jackson has Granderson’s K rate but not his homer rate and Montero is strictly a designated hitter (as evidenced by the fact that the Mariners were still looking for catchers this winter) on a team that would have had too many designated hitters.

  13. Bronx Jeers December 7th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    @BNightengale: The #Yankees, but not GM Brian Cashman, quietly running background check on Josh Hamilton, rival GM says

    ——————-

    Background check?

    Well that should pretty much end the so-called Yankee pursuit of Hamilton.

  14. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    I think one could argue that reactionary spending brought us some championships… (see: Arod’s reup, signing Tex after CC)

    Sure they look awful now, but we were all feeling pretty good about it in 2009.

    I really thought we were primed to keep dominating after we won that WS.

  15. Edchiro December 7th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    If Randy Levine wouldn’t bid against himself for A-Rod – the Yanks wouldn’t be in this financial bind!

  16. Chip December 7th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    blake December 7th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    I do think it’s kinda funny that one of their needs is RH power….ironic really.
    —————–

    Blake, I agree, Montero’s RH power would have helped the lineup but where would he play? Even with the catching situation where it is I still don’t think the Yankees would have let him get regular action behind the plate.

  17. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    86w183-

    It is looking like Soriano is an epic mis-read by Boras.

    Tigers Targeting Late-Inning Relief
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 7 at 8:22am CST]
    The Tigers are targeting relievers capable of closing in trade talks, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney reports (on Twitter). Jose Valverde is expected to sign elsewhere as a free agent, which means the Tigers don’t have an established late-inning reliever.

    GM Dave Dombrowski and manager Jim Leyland have publicly expressed optimism that relief prospect Bruce Rondon could become the team’s closer in 2013. Still, it wouldn’t hurt to add depth to a bullpen that also features Joaquin Benoit, Phil Coke and Octavio Dotel.

    Though there’s been lots of speculation about Rafael Soriano and Detroit, a team official recently told Peter Gammons of MLB Network that it “ain’t happening.” Chris Perez and Joel Hanrahan are two closers who could be dealt, and the Tigers could pursue any number of setup relievers.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#OL1kGOwK1EOo4D50.99

  18. Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    The problem with trading those guys is there was really nothing behind them. Montero was moved and there went their last ready impact bat.

  19. Chip December 7th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Bronx Jeers December 7th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    @BNightengale: The #Yankees, but not GM Brian Cashman, quietly running background check on Josh Hamilton, rival GM says

    ——————-

    Background check?

    Well that should pretty much end the so-called Yankee pursuit of Hamilton.
    ———————-

    It’s a tough call for the Yankees; yes he’s a great talent and on a 4 year deal it makes all the sense in the world from a purely baseball standpoint, but ignoring his demons would be a disservice to him and the team.

    Now it’s true, the Yankees have had some success with addicts in the past (Howe, Straw, Gooden) but those were all relatively low risk deals.

  20. Mike Ri December 7th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    ignoring his demons would be a disservice to him —-

    —–
    Nice post Chip……..Didn’t look at it from that standpoint . ..

  21. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    Chip,

    Melky was not a fourth OF in upside – and actually, he was the starting CF in 2009. If you believe that testosteron can create a .300 plus contact hitter who doesn’t have to be platooned because he hits over .300 from both sides – for two years straight – then I want to know where all the .300 plus hitters in the game are, since GMs have admitted the majors has “a huge problem” with rampant use of synthetic testosterone. You’re also not able to know that someone pitching to Melky Cabrera in a given AB isn’t using the same “enhancement”, so the argument doesn’t have much context.

    You can argue the merits of trading AJax and bringing back Granderson to some degree, but you cannot rationalize away the reality that the Yankees are bereft of young bats, and that ALL 3 of those in-house bats they had are GONE.

    I’m not going into Montero-Pineda again, here. I’m on record on why that was utterly skewed logic.

    He has no feel for the kind of hitter we’ve been lacking. He’s still preaching his “hairy monster” mantra.

    I’m late for an appointment.

  22. Tackelberry December 7th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    Maybe offer Hamilton a 4 year deal with an opt out after 2.

  23. Chip December 7th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    I don’t know if Soriano has much to worry about – Boras clients generally have a slow market as much because that’s what he wants as anything else. Bourn hasn’t had much tied to him, Prince didn’t sign until late last offseason, Soriano didn’t sign until late the offseason before – I’m sure Raf will find a nice landing spot.

    As for Ross – I like him, he’s got some pop in the bat and can play all over the outfield, I would ink Hamilton, ink Ross and deal Granderson.

  24. 86w183 December 7th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Success with STEVE HOWE ???

  25. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Chip-

    You don’t ignore the demons. He was given a personal services assistant in Texas. You structure the contract so that it’s clear that any substance abuse is grounds for termination and immediate involvement in, in-house mandatory rehabilitation.

  26. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    I actually agree with Chip.. I don’t believe that the moves made before 2011 should be considered at this point because eventually you gotta just let go lol. And I really thought they could build something around Grandy (not exclusively around him, but him being a factor).. they still could if they were willing to keep the payroll where it’s at.

    So I’m gonna stick to just being mad about last off season as it relates to this one :twisted:

  27. Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    I really thought we were primed to keep dominating after we won that WS.

    ————————

    Shame so was I. As a fan we tend to be too giddy when things are going good but after 09 I said wait a minute we have Tex in his prime, Cano growing into his own, CC is the ace, Hughes and Joba are learning to be starters, Drob becoming a force in the pen, Ajax and Jesus in playing in the minors, Gardner learning on the big league level, etc. This is the start of the new dynasty. The Yankees are going to have what they want: a mix of vets and young kids and this is the start of another run. Now look at us…look at this team. Tex is on the decline, Cano might price himself off the team, Joba is a spare part in the pen, Hughes might be gone next yr and even though he has improved he still is a little shaky, Ajax and Jesus are on other clubs,

  28. blake December 7th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    “As for Ross – I like him, he’s got some pop in the bat and can play all over the outfield, I would ink Hamilton, ink Ross and deal Granderson.”

    ink Hamilton, ink Ichiro, ink either Hairston or Ross….trade Granderson ….

  29. Chip December 7th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Mike Ri December 7th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    ignoring his demons would be a disservice to him —-

    —–
    Nice post Chip……..Didn’t look at it from that standpoint . ..
    ————–

    Yeah I just look at how he tormented himself over his use of chew and wonder if being in a city with the constant temptation and pressure that happens in NY is right for him. He seems like a sensitive guy and if he slumps I think he would hear the boos and I have to wonder if that would push him to a dark place.

    I’m not saying it would happen, I’m saying that the Yankees are doing the right thing going beyond simple due diligence.

  30. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    Gotta go also.

    All those wishes for Team Greedy, that were expressed last weekend before the winter meetings were quicky dashed when we found out that Cashman had no authority to sign free agents for moe than a year and for too many dollars.

    Until later.

    Have a great day. Maybe before Youkilis signs, Pierzynski will take the 12M instead and the Yankees will wait to fill 3rd with another option as well as give Adams and Mustelier a chance.

  31. Chip December 7th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    blake December 7th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    “As for Ross – I like him, he’s got some pop in the bat and can play all over the outfield, I would ink Hamilton, ink Ross and deal Granderson.”

    ink Hamilton, ink Ichiro, ink either Hairston or Ross….trade Granderson …
    ————————-

    So you’re thinking platoon Ichiro with Hairston/Ross or go with an OF of Hamilton, Ross, Ichiro? I would be fine with that.

  32. Bronx Jeers December 7th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    I just thought it was funny that they’re doing a background check on the guy with perhaps the darkest past currently in MLB.

    I really like the guy. He seems very genuine.

  33. Chip December 7th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Yankee Trader December 7th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Chip-

    You don’t ignore the demons. He was given a personal services assistant in Texas. You structure the contract so that it’s clear that any substance abuse is grounds for termination and immediate involvement in, in-house mandatory rehabilitation.
    ———————-

    I think you’re right about all of that – but there’s no doubt that there are different pressures and temptations living in NY vs living in Texas or Seattle. I think that’s what the Yankees are weighing.

  34. blake December 7th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    “So you’re thinking platoon Ichiro with Hairston/Ross or go with an OF of Hamilton, Ross, Ichiro? I would be fine with that.”

    I’m thinking an outfield of Hamilton in LF, Gardner in CF, and an Ichiro/Ross or Hairston platoon in RF…….and Granderson playing LF for the Braves

  35. blake December 7th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    I’m somewhat of a homer for Hamilton….he’s from my state….I played against him in high school….and I really think he’s a good person with a lot of demons he fights….(somewhat like another Yankee legend we are all know).

  36. 86w183 December 7th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    There are drug addicts in every city in the nation.

    There are successful recovering addicts in every city in the nation.

    There are failed re-hab stories in every city in the nation.

    I don’t think it makes any difference where Hamilton plays. What matters is what he does and who he associates with.

  37. Mike Ri December 7th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    I just remember Hamilton blasting those HR”s in the derby at the Old Yankee Stadium ! .. . what a show he put on ! .

  38. Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    I played against him in high school

    ——————–

    I never knew that. Blake has rubbed elbows with elites throughout his life.

  39. MaineYankee December 7th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Chip

    The people that wanted Swisher gone because of his defense would like Ross even less.

    Talking to RS fans here even they didn’t like his defense.

  40. 86w183 December 7th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Blake —–

    What do you see the Braves giving up for a year of Granderson’s services??

    Delgado? Medlen?

    I suspect they’ll keep Prado in LF and give Francisco a shot. But if they’d do Granderson for Francisco and one of Delgado, Medlen, O’Flaherty I’m on board.

  41. blake December 7th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    “I never knew that. Blake has rubbed elbows with elites throughout his life.”

    everyone else on the field looked like little leaguers compared to him….man against boys doesn’t begin to describe him with a metal bat in his hands.

  42. 86w183 December 7th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    I’m fine with Ross in RF most of the time as long as Dickerson is kept for the late innings.

  43. Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    blake December 7th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    “I never knew that. Blake has rubbed elbows with elites throughout his life.”

    everyone else on the field looked like little leaguers compared to him….man against boys doesn’t begin to describe him with a metal bat in his hands.

    ——————–

    That must have been terrifying for those other players on the field. Were you good as a player in HS Blake?

  44. blake December 7th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    “What do you see the Braves giving up for a year of Granderson’s services??

    Delgado? Medlen?”

    definatley not Medlen….Delgado maybe I think.

  45. JoeyVegas December 7th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    If they can afford Hamilton, why not consider Mauer? He’s at 6 years left, 23M per. Might be able to get MIN to pickup some. Package Granderson in the deal now that they need a CF and maybe bring back Willingham or Plouffe.

  46. blake December 7th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    “That must have been terrifying for those other players on the field. Were you good as a player in HS Blake?”

    he threw about 96 off the mound as well…..the big question for him was whether the Rays would make him a pitchers or outfielder.

  47. Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    blake December 7th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    “That must have been terrifying for those other players on the field. Were you good as a player in HS Blake?”

    he threw about 96 off the mound as well…..the big question for him was whether the Rays would make him a pitchers or outfielder.

    ———————–

    So he was Bryce Harper but better. To be that young and so good is scary. The crazy thing is picture how unstoppable he would have been if it wasn’t for the drug use.

  48. NYY fan in NH December 7th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Hamilton also doesn’t have the leadership in Texas like the Yanks have in Jeter. I think Jeter would take Hamilton under his wing. His personal assistant would also be part of the package. I’m not as concerned about Josh handling the media in NY and the bright lights. Putting him in RF and DH’ing will keep him fresher. Arod’s not going to be using the DH slot so there’s more room for Hamilton at DH. Granderson’s off the books after next year anyways. They are short on offense with this current roster so this makes sense to a point. If it happens, we shall see….

  49. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    blake – That’s awesome! Had no idea you played with Josh. Okay… so now we HAVE to get him.

    I think Lost posted last night that the ’86 Mets were like a traveling cocaine cartel.. I really don’t get what the big deal is about Hamilton being a former user. Even if he’s a current user, there are plenty of functioning addicts in this world. There are certainly plenty of alchies in the league.

  50. Bronx Jeers December 7th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    I don’t think it makes any difference where Hamilton plays. What matters is what he does and who he associates with.

    —————————

    100% agree. I don’t think playing in NY is any more a temptation than playing in Dallas or wherever.

    I doubt he’d be living in the city anyway. The guys with families almost always live in Jersey, Westchester, Connecticut etc.

  51. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    If that report on Mauer is true, which conflicts with prior reports, I’d really like to get Mauer lol.

  52. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    And before someone tells me there’s nowhere for Mauer to play.. remember Arod might not ‘need’ to be the DH for a big chunk of the year and Ibanez is flirting with going back home to Seattle.

  53. blake December 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    “blake – That’s awesome! Had no idea you played with Josh. Okay… so now we HAVE to get him.”

    I didn’t play with him….I played against him once…..

  54. blake December 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    I’d love to get Mauer as well but you have to trade for him and we all know how the Twins are…..

  55. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    They really should just go all in for 2013 and reassess next year when the good will of the fans is on their side… get Hamilton, keep Granderson and Cano and Hughes, makes it much more palatable to let Adams/MustillI’llneverknowyourname take over at 3B.

  56. austinmac December 7th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    86w183,

    You are exactly right about addicts. Just as their is no geographical cure, their is also no geographical curse. Hamilton can stay sober or not in New York just as anywhere else.

  57. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    blake December 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    “blake – That’s awesome! Had no idea you played with Josh. Okay… so now we HAVE to get him.”

    I didn’t play with him….I played against him once….
    ————

    With.. against.. tomato, tomahto.. it’s ALL the same to Team Greedy :D

    Still very, very cool.

  58. austinmac December 7th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Blake, I assume you had more power than Hamilton. Right? Can you catch, play third or the outfield?

    This money thing is ruining the off season. Hamilton, Mauer and the like would be nice. I just don’t see it. I would gladly eat my crow raw and with feathers.

  59. Chip December 7th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    austinmac December 7th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    86w183,

    You are exactly right about addicts. Just as their is no geographical cure, their is also no geographical curse. Hamilton can stay sober or not in New York just as anywhere else.
    —————–

    Yeah but in NY you have a lot more pressure from media and fans than you get in Dallas and Seattle. Also you have a city that never shuts down vs. relatively early closings in Dallas and Seattle – I’m not saying I wouldn’t sign Hamilton because of these things, but they are things that the Yankees need to consider.

  60. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    Oh wow, I wonder if that news is true.. did you guys hear about that prank call someone pulled on a nurse where they were keeping Kate Middleton? Apparently the nurse who was tricked into believing she was speaking to the Queen was found dead! Good lord.. what a shame.

  61. Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    blake December 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    “blake – That’s awesome! Had no idea you played with Josh. Okay… so now we HAVE to get him.”

    I didn’t play with him….I played against him once….
    ————

    With.. against.. tomato, tomahto.. it’s ALL the same to Team Greedy :D

    Still very, very cool.

    ————–

    Extremely cool. Not just playing against Josh but playing HS ball period. Not everyone can play sports whether it’s HS, College, or Pro

  62. Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Yes Shame it is true. They have played the audio on tv a few times.

  63. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Oh wait.. not the nurse but the receptionist who put the call through..? So weird though. Those royals really keep things interesting over there..

  64. igotid88 December 7th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    I’m sure it’s already been said. But why is it called winter meetings when it’s still fall?

  65. JoeyVegas December 7th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Mauer is only signed thru age 35. He could take over 1B after Teix’s contract runs out in 2016. Granderson, Nova, Nunez, Sanchez and Bettances for Mauer, Willingham, Plouffe. Ship it.

  66. 86w183 December 7th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    External pressure is no more significant on an addict than internal and in most cases much less so. I don’t think Hamilton is any better off in Seattle than NYC.

    As for Mauer, I’d love to see him in NYC but all indications are that the Twins are holding on to him.

  67. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    I’d like Willingham.. he’s a touch older than I’d like but not signed for that long.

  68. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    As for Mauer, I’d love to see him in NYC but all indications are that the Twins are holding on to him.

    —————

    There was a weird report that came out yesterday saying they’re open to hearing offers on Mauer and Morneau …not sure if I buy it given what we heard earlier about the Sox trying to get their hands on Mauer.

  69. austinmac December 7th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Chip,

    I do agree the pressure and potential booing could be an issue. Evidently, he was bothered by the boos in Texas.

    Let’s sign him and cheer for him.

    Not happening, but it gives us something to think about and keeps me from b*tching so much today.

  70. 86w183 December 7th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Mauer is a true “face of the franchise” type. I think the Twins need to keep him.

    Morneau, Willingham not so much.

  71. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Maybe they just meant they would listen to offers but unless they were blown away it’s highly unlikely he’s moved. I never thought they’d trade him anyway, but it would be pretty awesome to have some power behind the dish.

  72. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Chip-

    If you are still on I agree with 86w183 about it making no difference where Hamilton plays since only 81 games during the year are played at home and the rest of the time you are in hotels with minibars in the room.

  73. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    The Twins just traded away two centerfielders. Maybe the Yankees could get Willingham for the 2years 14M left on the contract for Granderson and a minor league piitcher.

  74. blake December 7th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    “Blake, I assume you had more power than Hamilton. Right? ”

    lol uhm no

  75. Jerkface December 7th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Blake probably had less crippling heroin addiction though.

  76. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Appreciate your voicing your opinion Chad, but that only makes it Obvious why you do Not do that very often. (1) There is nothing “reactionary” about wanting to fill 3 gaping holes in the everyday lineup ASAP. (2) $2.25 Mill “not too much” for Schierholtz? Well yea, went it ain’t your dime. (3) That AL Front Office guy that values “consistent innings” from SP, is talkin’ about merely making the Playoffs. These are the Yankees. Making the Playoffs issa given. The Yankee’s quest is All about garnering the brass ring. That type of SP will have you outta the Playoffs in Rd 1. Anyway, appreciate your thoughts Chad. Now, allow the Lohud Cavalcade of Experts to continue extolling on how to right this listing ship.

  77. blake December 7th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    I don’t know if the Yankees will get Hamilton but you can guarantee that Levine is pitching it…..he does dumb stuff but he does get that the Yankees have to keep a level of excitement and a standard of play to feed the machine. Hamilton is probably the 2nd most popular player in baseball…..

  78. blake December 7th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    “Blake probably had less crippling heroin addiction though.”

    :)

  79. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Blake-

    I don’t think you can become addicted by inhaling Nitrous Oxide in your office. :)

  80. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    The writers aren’t fans of the team, so I guess them taking the ‘there’s nothing wrong with taking a new approach’ thing isn’t surprising. The part they sometimes miss is that we’re on board with the Yankees operating smarter as well, but they need to recognize right now they’re trying to fit a circle in a square.. the timing is just all wrong… and they didn’t prepare at all last year for what they knew would be happening this year.

    I don’t know that the writers are considering that at all.. we talked about preparing for the fact that we’d be down an OFer this year.. why wasn’t anyone else talking about it lol!

  81. Jerkface December 7th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    It is really sad when Randy Levine is the only one trying to be great. I liked it better when Cashman was trying to be great smartly, and levine was stupid great, and HAL was neither seen nor heard.

  82. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Yankee Trader December 7th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Blake-

    I don’t think you can become addicted by inhaling Nitrous Oxide in your office. :)

    —————

    Have you never seen Little Shop of Horrors?!

  83. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    I thought the Twinks took it in the shorts on that Revere trade. That was a flat-out Horrible deal. I’m sure the Phils were absolutely thrilled that the dumb schmuck Twins went for it. Yanks shoulda offered them Nova and a Busher and just penciled Revere in RF till the offseason trade\free agent dust settled. That kid Revere is\s Very Special.

  84. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Jerkface December 7th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    It is really sad when Randy Levine is the only one trying to be great. I liked it better when Cashman was trying to be great smartly, and levine was stupid great, and HAL was neither seen nor heard.

    —————

    I mean.. even Hank wanted to be great. They snuffed him out right away. Hank is more like George, IMO, in that he wants to be great to serve his own ego… but motivation doesn’t concern me. As long as being great is still the ultimate goal.

  85. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    For those of you who didn’t see this about Josh Hamilton, early this morning, from NoMaas.org. When I read the first paragraph last night I was a bit ticked off.

    NASHVILLE (NNN) — As the Winter Meetings ended on Thursday afternoon, a report surfaced which indicated the New York Yankees declined to meet with this year’s marquee free agent, Josh Hamilton, despite the star outfielder specifically requesting a visit with Yankees’ General Manager Brian Cashman.

    “Josh was willing to offer his services for free,” remarked Hamilton’s agent, Mike Moye. “He really wants to play in those historic pinstripes, and wouldn’t require one dollar to play there.”

    Spending his last 5 seasons with the Rangers, the 31-year old All-Star has reportedly been in discussions with Seattle for a deal worth $20-$25 million annually. However, the former AL MVP is willing to waive his salary completely to play for baseball’s most iconic franchise.

    In his final press conference of the Winter Meetings, Brian Cashman addressed the Hamilton report.

    “Yes, it’s true. Josh Hamilton and his agent requested an appointment with me,” stated the building rappelling executive. “It’s also true that he offered to forfeit his salary to play for us.”

    Cashman went on to explain that he shared Hamilton’s unique request with Hal Steinbrenner and Randy Levine, but both of his superiors refused to grant authority for a meeting.

    “Hal told me he didn’t want to pay for the extra electricity it would cost to wash Hamilton’s uniform, while Randy said he would only sign Josh for 15 years / $1.7 billion.”

    The 45-year old GM concluded his presser by saying he’s “comfortable with the offseason strategy to date” and then repeated the phrase “due diligence” forty-seven times.

    ;)

  86. CompassRosy December 7th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    “Montero is strictly a designated hitter (as evidenced by the fact that the Mariners were still looking for catchers this winter) on a team that would have had too many designated hitters.”

    ——

    Correction ~
    The M’s are looking for hitters this winter…some that they have shown interest in also happened to be catchers.

  87. chicken little December 7th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    If the Yanks ink Hamilton, there are tons of possibilities both this year and next. they can trade grandy now (if the return makes sense, otherwise they can keep him and probably tender him the qualifying offer) or keep him, figuring lets go for it this year and then see what our needs are next year (e.g. if you let cano go next year, maybe you resign grandy). also it gives the yanks leverage with cano. otherwise cano may become such a need that boras takes levine to the wood shop again.

  88. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    As the Winter Meetings ended on Thursday afternoon, a report surfaced which indicated the New York Yankees declined to meet with this year’s marquee free agent, Josh Hamilton, despite the star outfielder specifically requesting a visit with Yankees’ General Manager Brian Cashman.

    —————–

    This is all fake though, right?

  89. jacksquat December 7th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    CompassRosy December 7th, 2012 at 11:04 am
    “Montero is strictly a designated hitter (as evidenced by the fact that the Mariners were still looking for catchers this winter) on a team that would have had too many designated hitters.”

    ——

    Correction ~
    The M’s are looking for hitters this winter…some that they have shown interest in also happened to be catchers.

    They were interested in Martin. They wouldn’t be interested in Martin if they were looking for hitters. ;)

  90. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Shame-

    Yes it became apparent when I read on further. I reposted it for a good laugh or a good cry.

  91. Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    igotid88 December 7th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    I’m sure it’s already been said. But why is it called winter meetings when it’s still fall?

    ————-

    Someone has to know the answer

  92. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    @entylawyer

    A man snuck a cobra onto a passenger flight from Cairo to Kuwait. After snake bit him it went loose on plane which made emergency landing.

    ——————–

    “Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherf**king snakes on this motherf**king plane!!” – Samuel L. Jackson

  93. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Because any time baseball isn’t being played the world is a colder place.

  94. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    To me, it becomes Winter the day the Yanks get knocked outta the Playoffs. Whatever the Mayan Calendar says means nothing.

  95. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Rosy-

    You won’t like this writer’s suggestion for the Mariners.

    Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports suggests signing Hamilton wouldn’t solve all of the Mariners’ problems. If they aren’t prepared to increase spending up and down the roster, adding a player like Hamilton would not be the answer. Morosi suggests the Mariners might want to pursue a trade for David DeJesus of the Cubs.

  96. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Have a great day everyone.

    Until later when Pierzynski takes the 12M to play for the Yankees after his former teammate goes to Cleveland-Youk

  97. David in Cal December 7th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    I agree with J. Alfred Prufrock about the unwisdom of trading our developing hitters. However, we can’t go back and undo those trades. What Cashman can do now is not repeat the same mistake. I think the Yanks need to hang on to their promising minor leaguers even if that means they don’t make the playoffs in 2013 and 2014

  98. CompassRosy December 7th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    “They were interested in Martin. They wouldn’t be interested in Martin if they were looking for hitters.”

    —-

    There were some rumors about that, but I only saw actual quotes about Naopli – like the ones in this piece … http://seattletimes.com/html/m.....ers04.html

    But, some might say, despite Martin’s struggles, he’s better than many of the current M’s ;)

  99. jacksquat December 7th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    JAP looks forward for the hitting, but doesn’t for the pitching. And he refuses to acknowledge this logic error. In the 2014 the Yankee rotation (without Pineda) is CC – Nova – Phelps – ??????? – ???????. Saying the Yankees won’t need starting pitching is far from the truth. Everyone should be praying that Pineda shows enough in the second half of 2013 that he can be counted to be a 2/3 for 2014.

  100. G. Love December 7th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    I’m not getting excited for Hamilton until it happens. I do think there’s a good chance it will happen. Yankee account execs who handle ticketing are hearing from the fans. The information is going back to the people who make these kind of decisions.

    As for Chad’s question about spending causing this mess; what mess, Chad? Seriously. The only reason it’s a “mess” is because our owners made it a public goal to shed payroll to save a few bucks while charging the highest prices in the league. The only reason it’s a mess is they don’t want to pay taxes. That’s it. It’s money. The team made the ALCS last season. Yeah, they stunk, but they got there so to call this a mess is not correct.

    The mess was created by our owners trying to duck under the threshold while still making more money than any other team in the league.

    Sign Hamilton. Sign Youk. Get Ichiro back. The only mess they’ll have to deal with is another post season run where they print money.

  101. blake December 7th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Hopefully Levine is in Hal’s ear about the attendance in the postseason and warning him of the growing fan backlash……

    yes it is very sad that Levine is the only one on our side!

  102. blake December 7th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    I still don’t want youk…..try to trade for a 3rd baseman or just let Adams play. If they are going to offer 12 million for a year for somebody then offer it to AJ and try to get a decent catcher.

  103. Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    jacksquat December 7th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    JAP looks forward for the hitting, but doesn’t for the pitching. And he refuses to acknowledge this logic error. In the 2014 the Yankee rotation (without Pineda) is CC – Nova – Phelps – ??????? – ???????. Saying the Yankees won’t need starting pitching is far from the truth. Everyone should be praying that Pineda shows enough in the second half of 2013 that he can be counted to be a 2/3 for 2014.

    ————————————–

    I thought Cashman and co. were developing their own ace pitchers. What happened to Generation Trey and the B’s?

  104. Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    The only reason it’s a “mess” is because our owners made it a public goal to shed payroll to save a few bucks while charging the highest prices in the league. The only reason it’s a mess is they don’t want to pay taxes. That’s it. It’s money.

    ——————

    How much are they saving exactly?

  105. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    There was a time when all I wanted Levine to do was stand in a corner and stare at a wall….

    How did he become Team Greedy’s only ally??!

  106. jacksquat December 7th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    You can’t count on minor league pitchers, even the very talented ones. They falter and they get hurt. We saw what happened to Banuelos and Betances, and it wasn’t a fluke. Minor league pitchers are like old Jaguars, you have to have 3 so you have one that runs.

  107. LGY December 7th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    I really don’t understand how the Yankees think investing in Youkilis is a better move than Pierzynski.

  108. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    blake December 7th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    I still don’t want youk…..try to trade for a 3rd baseman or just let Adams play. If they are going to offer 12 million for a year for somebody then offer it to AJ and try to get a decent catcher.

    ————–

    The fact that he hasn’t taken the offer yet is a good sign, IMO. At least I hope so. That could be more than half of Josh Hamilton’s salary right there!

  109. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Did Cash know he’d have no money this year?…. or was he, like us, thinking he just wouldn’t have money next year lol?

  110. SoS December 7th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Morosi suggests the Mariners might want to pursue a trade for David DeJesus of the Cubs.

    ========

    You keep your slimy hands away from Dejesus. Hes Yankee territory. We are still waiting(almost a decade) for the shoe to drop and he’s finally back home in pinstripes.

  111. jacksquat December 7th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 11:34 am
    There was a time when all I wanted Levine to do was stand in a corner and stare at a wall….

    How did he become Team Greedy’s only ally??!

    He’s the team President, he is seeing the business side of things, probably before Hal. Levine might press for something to increase ticket sales, you just don’t want it to be Soriano again…

  112. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    I always thought Levine was just around because he had some Stein family secrets locked up in a safe somewhere…. if there was ever a time to dip into the vault, this is it Randy. This is it.

    There is no plane.

  113. G. Love December 7th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Odds,

    I’ve seen a figure tossed around as high as $50 million although that’s been disputed by many.

    But even if it’s $50 million dollars, that’s a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the team revenues.

    If they were slashing ticket prices and concession prices and publicly stating we’re doing this because we’ve decided to take a step back, it’d be one thing.

    But to charge what they do, make the profits they make and then pull a tactic that hurts the team on the field to make them more money? That won’t fly in NY. They’ll be the Mets before you can say Yukon Cornelius.

  114. CompassRosy December 7th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    YT ~

    I did see that Morosi piece.
    IF (and it’s a big IF) the M’s get Hamilton, I doubt it’s the only move they’ll make.
    I also doubt that DeJesus would be the best JZ would be able to do, given the chips he’s got to deal.

  115. G. Love December 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    I almost feel like even if David DeJesus never becomes a Yankee, he’ll still be warmly welcomed at Old Timer’s Day in a Yankee uniform.

  116. austinmac December 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    AAO,

    They are Regeneration Trey as they each try to restart a baseball career that has derailed.

  117. Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    jacksquat December 7th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    You can’t count on minor league pitchers, even the very talented ones. They falter and they get hurt. We saw what happened to Banuelos and Betances, and it wasn’t a fluke. Minor league pitchers are like old Jaguars, you have to have 3 so you have one that runs.

    —————————————-

    The Yankees don’t even have one that runs.

  118. blake December 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    “I really don’t understand how the Yankees think investing in Youkilis is a better move than Pierzynski.”

    it makes very little sense to me…..they have to have a better plan for catcher….maybe Cash is going to try and trade for somebody and wants to keep that option open…

    they cannot go in to the season with what they have and expect to win IMO….too much risk….too little talent.

  119. Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    austinmac December 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    AAO,

    They are Regeneration Trey as they each try to restart a baseball career that has derailed.

    ———————-

    Regeneration Trey sounds like a wrestling group lol.

  120. pkyankfan69 December 7th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    What is the market like for Pierzynski?

    Would a 1 year – $12M deal sign him or would it have to be a multi-year deal?

  121. Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    G. Love December 7th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Odds,

    I’ve seen a figure tossed around as high as $50 million although that’s been disputed by many.

    But even if it’s $50 million dollars, that’s a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the team revenues.

    If they were slashing ticket prices and concession prices and publicly stating we’re doing this because we’ve decided to take a step back, it’d be one thing.

    But to charge what they do, make the profits they make and then pull a tactic that hurts the team on the field to make them more money? That won’t fly in NY. They’ll be the Mets before you can say Yukon Cornelius.

    —————

    I agree they are playing a dangerous fame with the fans and hopefully they realize that.

    What about the fans that say the ticket prices and food have nothing to do with the payroll?

  122. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    You guys are saying “just let Adams, Romine, (insert appropriate Busher)” FAR too often. AL East is by far the toughest Division in MLB. You can NOT run several bushers out there and expect to compete in the AL East. I’m OK with Romine, but that is it for the Kiddie Corp. Add Youk onna 1yr deal, sign Hamilton, and Trade CaNO Dive.

  123. PhiltheThrill December 7th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    It’s gotta to be more than 50M. That’s less than they dropped on the bidding rights to Kei Igawa. I think the impact of 2014 is that it would represent an unbroken series of years over the cap and force things up from there forward, meaning much more that 50M. If all it is is 50M they are falling all over themselves for relative pennies.

  124. blake December 7th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    I would guess AJ could get a 2 year deal from somebody….I don’t know…he might would take a one year deal at premium money which is what the Yankees should be trying to do instead of wasting 12 million bucks on Kevin Youkalis……

  125. SoS December 7th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    I almost feel like even if David DeJesus never becomes a Yankee, he’ll still be warmly welcomed at Old Timer’s Day in a Yankee uniform.

    ===========

    lol. I can see his number retired at Yankee Stadium before Oneils. Maybe getting his very own Dejesus banner.

  126. blake December 7th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    “Add Youk onna 1yr deal, sign Hamilton, and Trade CaNO Dive.”

    so you don’t want to play any “bushers” but you think they are going to win in 2013 by trading Cano?

  127. blake December 7th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    I think Reed Johnson may be invited to old timers day as well….

  128. Jerkface December 7th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Here are their total savings

    50 million in revenue sharing rebates from 2014-2016 if they stay under the CBT limit from 2014-2015. 35 million if the A’s do not get a new stadium. I don’t think they will, so thats 11.7 million per year.

    They save 15 million each year they are under in luxury tax, because going forward they are taxed at 50% of overages against 189. (Note: they have been paying 25mm in luxury tax the past 5 years, so they are already saving 10mm without doing anything)

    Then you can factor in the actual payroll decrease to do this. Thats 63 million dollars.

    So if they stayed under for 3 seasons they would save 140 dollars. 63 million of that is simply ‘We decided to stop paying as much’. 45 million is taxes not paid. 35 million is revenue sharing money returned to them. Thats over 3 years.

  129. blake December 7th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Dejesus and Reed Johnson would be in the Lohud Yankee HOF anyways.

  130. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    I’m Not saying Youk is hurtin’ defensively, but it is Far easier to work around a 3B witha glove that has a hole in it, than an aging Catcher, (Pierzynski), that simply can No longer move around back there. A Bad defensive Catcher will Absolutely Kill a team.

  131. blake December 7th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    “So if they stayed under for 3 seasons they would save 140 dollars. 63 million of that is simply ‘We decided to stop paying as much’. 45 million is taxes not paid. 35 million is revenue sharing money returned to them. Thats over 3 years.”

    the bonus they signed when they sold the portion of YES more than covers that……Hal has wanted to reduce payroll since he took over and the new CBA gave him the cover to do it…..

  132. austinmac December 7th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    I don’t know how anyone could think losing Swisher was not a signicant loss. He was one of the best offensive producers last year. I get his post-season struggles are an issue, but that is a lot of offense to let go and not adequately replace.

    The team is now without players who hit 104 home runs last year. I also understand a team not totally relying on homers would be nice. However, obviously, they have not added bats to hits homers or singles. For a team that scored half of it’s runs via the homer, it has now lost 42% of its home run total from last year.

    But, we have no game tomorrow(or would that be today). The problem is those numbers will not be replaced on s shoestring budget.

    They can, of course, rely on their pitching which ws middle of the pack last year. As we discussed interminably last year, who needs offense?

  133. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    - Blake -
    I said I would go with Romine. We have lost With Cano, we can lose without him. If the Yanks were to sign Hamilton, Cano would be GONE. No way the Yanks would re-sign him for mega bucks.

  134. blake December 7th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    “I’m Not saying Youk is hurtin’ defensively, but it is Far easier to work around a 3B witha glove that has a hole in it, than an aging Catcher, (Pierzynski), that simply can No longer move around back there. A Bad defensive Catcher will Absolutely Kill a team.”

    Youk is bad defensively…..if you combine him with an aging Jeter recovering from ankle surgery on the left side of the infield then all I can say is the pitchers better start pitching away to rigthies and in to lefties……AJ isn’t that bad defensively….he’s better than Posada towards the end of his career and they did just fine with him.

  135. blake December 7th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    “If the Yanks were to sign Hamilton, Cano would be GONE. No way the Yanks would re-sign him for mega bucks”

    maybe after 2013….but if they sign Hamilton they are all in for next year and they’ll keep Robbie and try to win the WS.

  136. Hassey December 7th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    I hear that Rondell White is in the BSOHL

    and knowing Kenny Williams, there’s always a chance that the Chisox will trade us Ventura to play third

  137. G. Love December 7th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Odds,

    I’ve long realized that the majority of Yankee fans never go to a game at the stadium and watch them on TV and follow them online.

    I think those fans think the one’s who do choose to support the team with their dollars are “entitled” or “cry babies” or whatever other negative buzzword they can come up with to diminish us.

    I don’t think the fan who watches the Yankees on MLB TV in Alaska is inferior to the fan who lives in the Tri-State area and goes to games in the flesh.

    Yankee fans are Yankee fans.

    That being said, when you have supported this team for many years with hard earned dollars you feel like you’re part of the team. That the thousands you’ve spent go to put the best product on the field. You want to believe in the front office. Believe they care about all their customers more than their bottom line. You want to think that when they walk into work every morning they’re fighting for you because they know how much you put into this.

    Ever since this 189 budget thing popped up the team changed. The way they go about their business changed.

    The new stadium is beautiful, although I miss the old place, but the staff are really great people who are there to help the fans.

    The Yankees slashing payroll to make more money won’t just affect the fans. It’ll affect their employees and everyone around the stadium.

    Seeing empty seats in the playoffs was sobering. It’s only going to get worse in the regular season if they don’t put an exciting team together. It’ll have a trickle down effect on the community around the stadium.

    This “plan” to get under 189 could’ve worked if the team planned ahead. They could’ve made some exciting trades while saying “we’re going to remain competitive but be smart”. Instead, they only traded Montero for Pineda. That was their big move to get under and it blew up in their faces.

    Other than that, they’ve been patching holes with dumpster dive and old guys on 1 year contracts.

    That’s not a plan. It’s an emergency room approach to building this team.

    That being said, they have no middle of the order. Tex isn’t that guy. Pretending he is, is just pie in the sky nonsense.

    They have an opportunity to put Cano and Hamilton in the middle of the order for the next 4-5 years together and not gut the farm to do so.

    Why they wouldn’t do that, when there’s a need and a wide open space in the OF is beyond me.

    You can say he has drug problems all you want, but the guy has showed up to play since he got hid demons under control and I think it’s kind of awful for fans to say “run away, he’s gonna get high” from the guy. I think he’s actually a real human story of redemption and this fanbase would eat that up.

  138. SoS December 7th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Old Timers Day Players
    Dejesus
    Reed Johnson
    Justin Upton
    Cliff Lee
    ??

  139. austinmac December 7th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    In 2014 under the current one year plan, they will have open spots at C, 2B, 3B(who knows), CF, RF, four starting pitchers and a number of spots in the pen.

    I would like to hear the plan on filling those spots. I presume more one year players or VERY hceap mulit-year contracts. They intend to stay under the cap in 2010-2016 to get the full benefit.

  140. Patrick December 7th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    So if they stayed under for 3 seasons they would save 140 dollars. 63 million of that is simply ‘We decided to stop paying as much’. 45 million is taxes not paid. 35 million is revenue sharing money returned to them. Thats over 3 years.

    And how much do they lose if they miss the playoffs 3 years in a row? Ownership is being penny wise and pound foolish

  141. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

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