Yankees avoid arbitration with Brett Gardner
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 07, 2012 
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The Yankees just announced that they’ve avoided arbitration with Brett Gardner, agreeing to terms on a contract for next season.
Finally, a deal that Cashman didn’t screw up.
Offer 3 years for 30 mill
timmyc40 December 7th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Offer 3 years for 30 mill
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He would never accept 10 million a yr.
The exciting off-season of nothing new continues….wooo hooo
blake December 7th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
“Why all the love for Andrus? I see a big bowl of Meh when I think of him.”
elite defender at SS…getting better offensively…..and he’s 23 years old.
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And not even close to his prime.
Why all the love for Andrus? I see a big bowl of Meh when I think of him
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Last 3 years he has hit: .277 .346 .348 .694 with some steals too. Plays top defense at SS. Very little power, but the avg & obp is very good for short stop.
He is a great choice for any team at SS.
Against All Odds -
That’s right, and he also probably did himself no favors negotiating with free agents by calling this year’s class “pathetic” I’m sure the guys on the market just loved that.
And he’ll complain that everyone wants them to pay the “Yankee premium” or give up all their best prospects…as if agents and gms are in the business of helping the Yankees.
He also entrusted his young pitchers to a man who had failed at every stop as a pitching coach (thankfully that has been corrected heading into this year – but I fear that in the case of Betances the damage is done). They don’t advance guys through the organization – and even block them in the minors with useless vets – for example, is there any reason why Fukudome and Jack Cust and Russ Branyan were playing in AAA when the Yankees had no intention of calling on them and their spots could have been used to advance the development of Zoilo and Abe Almonte and David Adams so they would be in position to help the club this year
Look, the Rodriguez injury stinks as do the payroll constraints, but if Brian was serious about using his farm system then he wouldn’t be looking to overpay for Youk – he would be willing to give Adams and Mustellier chances to prove themselves.
I don’t see the Yankees doing anything big. Am I wrong?
Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1
#Yankees extreme longshot on Hamilton, but posted this http://nyp.st/UseeFq to exlain path; involves Greinke getting done 1st. #Rangers
Yes, the Yankees would still want to get under $189 million in 2014. But, in theory, the Yanks could decide that Hamilton for three or four years is a better risk – with all of his issues – then Robinson Cano for eight to 10 years, and let Cano go as a free agent after the 2013 campaign. And, in 2013, they would have both, pretty much assuring a) one of the majors’ best offenses again even with the departures of Russell Martin, Nick Swisher and Eric Chavez; and A-Rod out for a while following hip surgery and b) a re-energizing jolt to a sagging fan base.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....3yz7QLHYwK
straight from Lohud
“Last 3 years he has hit: .277 .346 .348 .694 with some steals too. Plays top defense at SS. Very little power, but the avg & obp is very good for short stop.”
and he’s 23
Chip December 7th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Against All Odds -
That’s right, and he also probably did himself no favors negotiating with free agents by calling this year’s class “pathetic” I’m sure the guys on the market just loved that.
And he’ll complain that everyone wants them to pay the “Yankee premium” or give up all their best prospects…as if agents and gms are in the business of helping the Yankees.
He also entrusted his young pitchers to a man who had failed at every stop as a pitching coach (thankfully that has been corrected heading into this year – but I fear that in the case of Betances the damage is done). They don’t advance guys through the organization – and even block them in the minors with useless vets – for example, is there any reason why Fukudome and Jack Cust and Russ Branyan were playing in AAA when the Yankees had no intention of calling on them and their spots could have been used to advance the development of Zoilo and Abe Almonte and David Adams so they would be in position to help the club this year
Look, the Rodriguez injury stinks as do the payroll constraints, but if Brian was serious about using his farm system then he wouldn’t be looking to overpay for Youk – he would be willing to give Adams and Mustellier chances to prove themselves.
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Yea calling the FA class pathetic is just a way to say we couldn’t make deals and the guys we wanted didn’t come here so screw you guys. If you feel that bad about things take your ball and go home smh.
I’m glad Nardi is gone. Aside from Mo, Andy, and Kuroda re-signing that was the best news of the off season. His track with our pitching has been bad and that’s putting it mildly. Good point about them having vets block kids in the minors. Once again it goes back to them not trusting their young players. I don’t get the Yankees. They want to be the Rays with money but aren’t as smart or shrewd as the Rays. Would the Rays waste 12 million on Youk if they had Adams in the minors?? Heck no they would say give Adams a shot what’s the worse that could happen.
“Finally, a deal that Cashman didn’t screw up.”
Yeah, because he really “screwed up” with getting Kuroda, Andy, and Mo resigned …right? Oh, wait a second …
They didnt resign Russell Martin and his ever declining ability to put bat on ball and maintain a BA just north of the “Mendoza Line” … lost out on Eric Chavez who basically has to be put in traction at this point in his career if he plays more than 2 days in a row, and were unable to convince the mighty Jeff Keppinger to come to the Bronx … are these the deals you are referring to?
blake December 7th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Yes, the Yankees would still want to get under $189 million in 2014. But, in theory, the Yanks could decide that Hamilton for three or four years is a better risk – with all of his issues – then Robinson Cano for eight to 10 years, and let Cano go as a free agent after the 2013 campaign. And, in 2013, they would have both, pretty much assuring a) one of the majors’ best offenses again even with the departures of Russell Martin, Nick Swisher and Eric Chavez; and A-Rod out for a while following hip surgery and b) a re-energizing jolt to a sagging fan base.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports…..3yz7QLHYwK
straight from Lohud
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The fans on here have to start getting paid for all the ideas they come up with.
I want Andrus bad in 2 years…..I hope if he does get traded to the Dbacks he won’t sign an extension.
Jayson Stark ?@jaysonst
#Indians, #Mariners, #Braves & #Phillies among teams I heard asked #Dodgers about Dee Gordon. It appears all but Seat would try him in OF.
would be kinda funny if the Braves traded for Gordon then dealt Simmons to the Dbacks for Upton and ruined Jon Daniels’s day.
blake December 7th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
I want Andrus bad in 2 years…..I hope if he does get traded to the Dbacks he won’t sign an extension.
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I like the way blake thinks he has a plan to rebuild the offense. Upton or Hamilton and then Andrus down the line with some of the kids sprinkled in.
You people act as though Andrus is only SS in baseball, jeez
Don’t know if this was posted earlier but Raissman’s column (yes I know….) actually made an interesting point on the tight rope that Hal needs to walk without much experience doing so.
It’s reasonable to wonder what the level of concern over all this is for Hal and We Are Family Steinbrenner. They view the Yankees in a more business-like manner than their father did. Their goal may just be to squeeze every nickel out of the franchise and start selling off assets. If you’re in it strictly for the money, and not World Series titles, that blueprint has a major upside for the owners.
Just look at the cash they already pocketed in the YES deal with Fox. And in three years Fox has the option to buy 80% of YES, based on a valuation of $3.8 billion.
What’s next, the team itself? Yankee officials say that won’t happen.
So, maybe when it comes to the product on the field, and its ramifications for YES’ future, it’s Fox suits who should be concerned if Hal Steinbrenner keeps a lock on his pinstriped vault.
“If this so-called fiscal responsibility becomes a permanent policy, Fox has something to be concerned with,” one network executive said. “YES became what it is because it sells winning, superstars and the grand Yankee tradition. If two-thirds of the equation (winning/superstars) disappears, down go the ratings and revenue. The subscriber fees may stay flat, but if the product stinks those fees are not going up.”
Why Hal is electively disturbing a business model that has been wildly profitable and enriching is very curious.
It seems like he believes that Yankee fans are just so attached to the team that they will continue to pay top dollar and continue to tune in just to see the old legeds on the team finish up their careers on a team that’s good enough to win say 88-90 games.
It will be interesting to see just how well Hal understands the customers of his own business.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....bled=false
thewarrior82 December 7th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
You people act as though Andrus is only SS in baseball, jeez
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Given his age and progression there are not many like him.
Maybe I’ve been spoiled with the shortstops of the past 10 years but Andrus just doesn’t excite me. Yes he is a great defender but he will never be an elite hitter for avg, gets caught stealing too much and gives you no power whatsoever. I’d take Castro any day over him
Hal musta been in finishing school when Yankee Stadium was empty in the early 90′s.
Andrus is a lifetime .275 hitter, just fyi
not lighting the world on fire
Castro is basically The Scarecrow at SS. Airhead
“Heck no they would say give Adams a shot what’s the worse that could happen.”
Missing the post-season?
Yes he is a great defender but he will never be an elite hitter for avg
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Almost no SS’s ever will be an elite hitter for average. Andrus was third in OBP among short stops with 200 PA. Combined with his speed and defense he is a great SS.
yanks will need to come to the realization that re-building is more important than 1 and done in the playoffs, the brand and yankee name will not turn to s**hit after 1 or a couple missed playoff appearances, they need to re-build for the sake of the long-term success of the team, Hal is actually a smart man and realizes this
Nick in SF December 7th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
“Heck no they would say give Adams a shot what’s the worse that could happen.”
Missing the post-season?
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They would miss the post season if some kid played at 3rd. If Adams playing 3rd makes or breaks the team then that means they weren’t that good anyway.
thewarrior82 December 7th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
yanks will need to come to the realization that re-building is more important than 1 and done in the playoffs, the brand and yankee name will not turn to s**hit after 1 or a couple missed playoff appearances, they need to re-build for the sake of the long-term success of the team, Hal is actually a smart man and realizes this
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How do they rebuild with a lack of major league ready talent.
Almost no SS’s ever will be an elite hitter for average. Andrus was third in OBP among short stops with 200 PA. Combined with his speed and defense he is a great SS.
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He stole 21 bases and was caught 10 times.
“You people act as though Andrus is only SS in baseball, jeez”
there are only like 5 that are any good to be honest…..it’s awful
He stole 21 bases and was caught 10 times.
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He isn’t an elite base stealer, but he does have speed and he is a base stealer. He stole 37 @ 75% rate 2 years ago.
“They would miss the post season if some kid played at 3rd. If Adams playing 3rd makes or breaks the team then that means they weren’t that good anyway.”
How the heck do I know? Maybe Adams would play them into the postseason with gritty clutchiness. But you asked what would be the worst that could happen. There’s your answer.
If Hal was smart he would Sell high. He and he alone is driving that which his father handed him straight into the ground.
“Andrus is a lifetime .275 hitter, just fyi”
he’s 23 years old…..
If you keep Granderson, Cano, Hughes and sign Hamilton… having Adams as your 3B for a while is a lot more palatable.
“Andrus is a lifetime .275 hitter, just fyi”
he’s 23 years old…..
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He wasn’t a high average guy in the minors either
Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Chip December 7th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Against All Odds -
That’s right, and he also probably did himself no favors negotiating with free agents by calling this year’s class “pathetic” I’m sure the guys on the market just loved that.
And he’ll complain that everyone wants them to pay the “Yankee premium” or give up all their best prospects…as if agents and gms are in the business of helping the Yankees.
He also entrusted his young pitchers to a man who had failed at every stop as a pitching coach (thankfully that has been corrected heading into this year – but I fear that in the case of Betances the damage is done). They don’t advance guys through the organization – and even block them in the minors with useless vets – for example, is there any reason why Fukudome and Jack Cust and Russ Branyan were playing in AAA when the Yankees had no intention of calling on them and their spots could have been used to advance the development of Zoilo and Abe Almonte and David Adams so they would be in position to help the club this year
Look, the Rodriguez injury stinks as do the payroll constraints, but if Brian was serious about using his farm system then he wouldn’t be looking to overpay for Youk – he would be willing to give Adams and Mustellier chances to prove themselves.
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Yea calling the FA class pathetic is just a way to say we couldn’t make deals and the guys we wanted didn’t come here so screw you guys. If you feel that bad about things take your ball and go home smh.
I’m glad Nardi is gone. Aside from Mo, Andy, and Kuroda re-signing that was the best news of the off season. His track with our pitching has been bad and that’s putting it mildly. Good point about them having vets block kids in the minors. Once again it goes back to them not trusting their young players. I don’t get the Yankees. They want to be the Rays with money but aren’t as smart or shrewd as the Rays. Would the Rays waste 12 million on Youk if they had Adams in the minors?? Heck no they would say give Adams a shot what’s the worse that could happen.
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You’re 100% right. I don’t think Brian’s a bad GM I just wonder what the organizational philosophy is.
On the one hand you have Hal who wants $189 and doesn’t particularly care how that’s accomplished.
Cashman might actually prefer to use minor leaguers at the big league level and then there’s Randy Levine who I believe fancies himself as the spirit of George and as such believes that you can’t field a team in New York with young players.
Remember, it was Randy who went ahead and signed Soriano because the Yankees hadn’t made any moves that winter.
Like I said, I would personally be fine with an Almonte in RF another in LF, Gardner in CF, CoJo at 2b and Adams at 3b with Granderson and Cano traded for top young talent.
“He wasn’t a high average guy in the minors either”
.275 is high average in today’s world.
The best thing the Yankees do for their prospects is hide them. Derek Jeter didn’t win a WS in his first year in the bigs because he was Rookie of the Year.. he won it because he was surrounded by a legit team and was batting 9th.
When Cano came up… he too was batting at the bottom of the order. Murderers Row and Cano and all that.
If you have Cano, Tex Hamilton in the middle of your order.. how much can Adams batting 8th or 9th hurt you?
blake December 7th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
“You people act as though Andrus is only SS in baseball, jeez”
there are only like 5 that are any good to be honest…..it’s awful
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Tell you the guy I like – Ruben Tejada.
He wasn’t a high average guy in the minors either
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Major league performance trumps minor league performance. Nevermind that, he hit .295 .350 .367 .717 in AA and then has hit .283 .348 .370 .718 across 1376 major league PA. That is way more than he has in the minors outside of his .295 season.
Anyone discounting Andrus needs to look at how disgusting the SS position is.
If you want to rebuild, the time is now, not after next season when Cano AND Granderson are FA. Kuroda, Andy, Mo, and possibly Jeter will be gone. ARod already is a shell of his former self.
Now is the time to stock up on some good young talent through trades, as our own best case expamples of organizational talent is at 2 years away.
He wasn’t a high average guy in the minors either
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That average is still better than 80% of our line up last year.. only Jeter and Cano hit better, I think.
Anyone discounting Andrus needs to look at how disgusting the SS position is.
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Well that’s a different issue all together.
Getting a 75 on a test when others are getting 50′s doesn’t make you a Rhodes Scholar
Nunez is a career .272 hitter
just saying don’t build your team around a position that’s usually defensive driven position meaning, find a good defender and get the offense from somewhere else, or do what Blake wants and back up the money truck for Andrus
Nunez is a career .272 hitter
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Nunez is a bad defender and his OBP is much lower than Andrus. If Nunez could actually stick at SS he would be very valuable.
George always made a point of stressing that he wanted to put $$$ back into the team. Hal on the other hand, is hell bent on tearing down his dads’ pride-and-joy. I hope George makes a “Ghost of Christmas Past” visit on Hal come Christmas Eve. Hal would wet his PJ’s.
“If you have Cano, Tex Hamilton in the middle of your order.. how much can Adams batting 8th or 9th hurt you?”
If Hamilton is part of the equation then we’re no longer talking about what the genius Rays would do. Adams, maybe, Hamilton, no. Youk they should all say no to.
Jeter did bat 9th on Opening Day of 1996 but he was batting 2nd by the first game of May. Adams as a Jeter for 2013 would be something but it’s not something to bank on.
Chip December 7th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Chip December 7th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Against All Odds -
That’s right, and he also probably did himself no favors negotiating with free agents by calling this year’s class “pathetic” I’m sure the guys on the market just loved that.
And he’ll complain that everyone wants them to pay the “Yankee premium” or give up all their best prospects…as if agents and gms are in the business of helping the Yankees.
He also entrusted his young pitchers to a man who had failed at every stop as a pitching coach (thankfully that has been corrected heading into this year – but I fear that in the case of Betances the damage is done). They don’t advance guys through the organization – and even block them in the minors with useless vets – for example, is there any reason why Fukudome and Jack Cust and Russ Branyan were playing in AAA when the Yankees had no intention of calling on them and their spots could have been used to advance the development of Zoilo and Abe Almonte and David Adams so they would be in position to help the club this year
Look, the Rodriguez injury stinks as do the payroll constraints, but if Brian was serious about using his farm system then he wouldn’t be looking to overpay for Youk – he would be willing to give Adams and Mustellier chances to prove themselves.
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Yea calling the FA class pathetic is just a way to say we couldn’t make deals and the guys we wanted didn’t come here so screw you guys. If you feel that bad about things take your ball and go home smh.
I’m glad Nardi is gone. Aside from Mo, Andy, and Kuroda re-signing that was the best news of the off season. His track with our pitching has been bad and that’s putting it mildly. Good point about them having vets block kids in the minors. Once again it goes back to them not trusting their young players. I don’t get the Yankees. They want to be the Rays with money but aren’t as smart or shrewd as the Rays. Would the Rays waste 12 million on Youk if they had Adams in the minors?? Heck no they would say give Adams a shot what’s the worse that could happen.
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You’re 100% right. I don’t think Brian’s a bad GM I just wonder what the organizational philosophy is.
On the one hand you have Hal who wants $189 and doesn’t particularly care how that’s accomplished.
Cashman might actually prefer to use minor leaguers at the big league level and then there’s Randy Levine who I believe fancies himself as the spirit of George and as such believes that you can’t field a team in New York with young players.
Remember, it was Randy who went ahead and signed Soriano because the Yankees hadn’t made any moves that winter.
Like I said, I would personally be fine with an Almonte in RF another in LF, Gardner in CF, CoJo at 2b and Adams at 3b with Granderson and Cano traded for top young talent.
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You had me until the last line but I respect where you’re coming from. At least you have a believe and stand by it. When it comes to the Yankees it feels like they don’t know what they want to do. Let’s rebuild but not completely so let’s compete but not all the way so let’s rebuild and compete if that’s possible.
Good point Levine because if I’m not mistaken he was in on the A-rod deal too. He might have been one of the driving forces both times.
Now is the time to stock up on some good young talent through trades, as our own best case expamples of organizational talent is at 2 years away.
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What good young talent are you going to get for players on 1 yr deals?
Have to wonder how different things might have been if Steve Swindall hadn’t cheated on George’s daughter. He was the one who was supposed to be the heir to the throne, it was never supposed to be Hank or Hal.
If I remember correctly, Cano batted 2nd in the order a ton during his rookie season…
If given enough reps and regular playing time, I really think Nunez could stick at SS.
just saying you guys love the 27 / 28 yr old proven guys, well they got to that point because they were given a chance, i think Nunez has a higher ceiling than Andrus offensively, probably a better arm and base running skills, catching the ball is a work in progress, but will regular playing time he could be better. Just an example, yanks need to give young guys a chance
“Nunez is a bad defender and his OBP is much lower than Andrus. If Nunez could actually stick at SS he would be very valuable.”
if Nunez could field like Andrus or Simmons then we might could trade him for Upton…..he doesn’t though.
On May 17, 1996, Jeter batted 8th. On June 1st of that year he didn’t even play!
Did I travel out to Oakland that day just to see Andy Fox start at SS??? I can’t remember.
The Yanks damaged Nunez’s trade value all by their lonesome. Nunez showed they did Not know what they were doing by his Playoff performance. Jeet goes down, Cano does his “Incredible Shrinking Man” routine, and Nunez the understudy steals the show.
I was definitely in Oakland for the Labor Day comeback game for David Cone in which he threw 7 innings of no-hit ball before Mr. Torre had seen enough. Jeter did lead off that day and went 1-5 with an RBI and a GIDP. Homers from Cecil Fielder and Charlie Hayes. That was a happy day for this Yankee fan.
If Swisher’s market really is 4/50-60 that sucks for him.
No way should he be getting less than BJ Upton.
Don’t think you can really steal the show in 11 postseason at bats especially when the Yankees still got swept.
Nick in SF December 7th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
“If you have Cano, Tex Hamilton in the middle of your order.. how much can Adams batting 8th or 9th hurt you?”
If Hamilton is part of the equation then we’re no longer talking about what the genius Rays would do. Adams, maybe, Hamilton, no. Youk they should all say no to.
Jeter did bat 9th on Opening Day of 1996 but he was batting 2nd by the first game of May. Adams as a Jeter for 2013 would be something but it’s not something to bank on.
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My overall point wasn’t related to anything involving your discussion earlier lol.. I just meant that I liked the idea of being able to give young guys a chance at certain positions because of the structure of the rest of the club.
Cano didn’t need to be the heart of the team, neither did Jeter, neither did Posada when he first game up.. They were able to grow into roles because they were surrounded by vets and prime players. Of course all of them are great players and had ability that some of our current young crop might not have but if we can fold them in slowly we can give them a better shot at coming into their own.
I used to love how the Yanks could attract big names because in other cities they would have to be ‘the guy’ and with the Yankees they would just be a guy. I think the same is true for young kids.
That 1 AB vs Verlander was ALL you need. Something like 10 pitches, the kid refuses to wilt, and takes the then reigning MVP\Cy Younger yard. You guys get stuck on the numbers. Sometimes 1 AB will tell you All you need to know. Trick is, you gotta actually SEE it, and KNOW what to look for.
I’m sorry if I hijacked the conversation with something totally irrelevant to your discussion though, the comments just made me think of it.
Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Now is the time to stock up on some good young talent through trades, as our own best case expamples of organizational talent is at 2 years away.
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What good young talent are you going to get for players on 1 yr deals?
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What good young talent are you going to get when they walk?
Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
blake December 7th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
“Why all the love for Andrus? I see a big bowl of Meh when I think of him.”
elite defender at SS…getting better offensively…..and he’s 23 years old.
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And not even close to his prime.
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But only two years of control left.
If Swisher’s market really is 4/50-60 that sucks for him.
No way should he be getting less than BJ Upton.
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Of course he should. the last two years Upton has hit for slightly more power, with a slightly lower average. He has far more speed, is far better defensively, play a much more difficult position AND he’s four years younger.
As for 3B, I would be much happier giving Adams a shot than shelling out $ 12 M for Youkilis. the only thing paying for Youkilis on the heels of signing Mo, Andy and Hiroki shows is that the “Hal is cheap” crowd will look even dumber.
I said this AM the Yanks shoulda dealt for Revere. The Phils pulled a heist there.
It’s still early but I hope the Yankees have had (are having) ongoing discussions on the potential impact that finishing lower lower in the standing would have.
Right now that’s where they are headed IMO.
The AL East only gotten stronger this OS.
Greatly lowered attendance, YES subscriptions, and merchandise sales would certainly impact their bottom line unfavorably if that were to occur.
Perhaps they’ll ultimately conclude that freeing up the purse strings a bit would be a good idea in light of that.
Think about it Hal. Listen to Levine. He’s good on these sorts of things.
Elvis Andrus is a really good player and insanely valuable. Elite defense, good average, good OBP, can steal some bases, is only 24. The only SS I’d take over him right now is Troy Tulowitzki.
I said this AM the Yanks shoulda dealt for Revere. The Phils pulled a heist there.
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What? Why?
Revere is a poor man’s Brett Gardner
so is the perfect plan to sign Hamilton and trade Granderson ( for a catcher & RFer)
Swisher’s OPS with the Yankees was .850.
Upton’s career OPS is about 100 points lower than that.
or catcher/ 3rd base …or RF/3B
And Brett and those wheels are getting old. Yanks were or are interested in Ichiro and Not the budding Revere???
DaSaint007 December 7th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Now is the time to stock up on some good young talent through trades, as our own best case expamples of organizational talent is at 2 years away.
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What good young talent are you going to get for players on 1 yr deals?
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What good young talent are you going to get when they walk?
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You’re asking a team that rarely trades their stars to trade them and rebuild in NY???? This is the same fan base that got their panties in a bunch during the 08 season. You think a majority of fans what you rebuild completely??? Do you think the players want to rebuild?? Are fans forgetting the stories about Damon and Giambi being upset with Generation Trey not performing well and costing them games?
LGY December 7th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Swisher’s OPS with the Yankees was .850.
Upton’s career OPS is about 100 points lower than that.
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thinking if Swish hit in the playoff games he played in as a Yankee he still might be a Yankee
jacksquat December 7th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Against All Odds December 7th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
blake December 7th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
“Why all the love for Andrus? I see a big bowl of Meh when I think of him.”
elite defender at SS…getting better offensively…..and he’s 23 years old.
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And not even close to his prime.
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But only two years of control left.
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True but how much is he going to get paid? He’s not going to break the bank.
And Brett and those wheels are getting old. Yanks were or are interested in Ichiro and Not the budding Revere???
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Revere is not that good dude. He’s ok but nothing special. Gardner is better…
Lost ..?@LostNYY
#Yankees just talking Hamilton to appease the masses. Chances of signing Hamilton, you ask ? 0.0001%
Just as I suspected
Swisher’s OPS with the Yankees was .850.
Upton’s career OPS is about 100 points lower than that.
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the last two years Swisher’s average OPS + 123, Upton’s 112.5
somewhat better, but not ever remotely enough to offset 63 more SB, better defense, more valuable defensive position AND four years age difference.
If the Yankees are just trying to appease the fans with a rumor of talking to Hamilton, that’s not going to work. Youk is not going to work either.
coney1 December 7th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Lost ..?@LostNYY
#Yankees just talking Hamilton to appease the masses. Chances of signing Hamilton, you ask ? 0.0001%
Just as I suspected
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We didn’t need lost to say it but it’s the same thing I thought comet. It’s nothing more than a hey look we’re trying to get Josh and when they don’t get him it will be he was too expensive or we didn’t think he was the right fir in NY.
“No way should he be getting less than BJ Upton.”
Eh….I think they should have gotten about the same….both around 4/60. The Braves over paid UPton but it’s not a terrible contract to me…..he’s 4 years younger than Swisher and plays CF and he filled a need for the Braves…..
somewhat better, but not ever remotely enough to offset 63 more SB, better defense, more valuable defensive position AND four years age difference.
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Yea but Upton has gotten worse, with the exception of power, over the years. He looks atrocious vs RHP.
The Yanks already have two CF and they should have traded for another?
time to go….. have a day all
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the last two years Swisher’s average OPS + 123, Upton’s 112.5
somewhat better, but not ever remotely enough to offset 63 more SB, better defense, more valuable defensive position AND four years age difference.
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fWAR 2011-2012
Upton: 7.4
Swisher: 7.7
giving the Yankee fan base false hope when is probably not the best idea……they’d be better off just not even mentioning Hamilton if they aren’t gonna sign him.
AAO-
Cheap talk is not going to appease or satisfy anyone.
It’s actions that count and what fans will judge ownership by.
They couldn’t possibly be that stupid to think that.
Or could they be ?
Coney not comet I’m all over the place sorry
blake December 7th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
giving the Yankee fan base false hope when is probably not the best idea……they’d be better off just not even mentioning Hamilton if they aren’t gonna sign him.
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True but they have built in excuses based on what happens. If he gets a big deal it will be 189/he costs too much. But if he signs a small deal it will be he wouldn’t fit in NYC.
Upton got more money than Swisher will end up with because of age and potential ceiling. The age thing I understand but betting on Upton magically getting better after being in the big leagues for 7 seasons is a bad idea.
“I’m sorry if I hijacked the conversation with something totally irrelevant to your discussion though…”
Don’t be silly. I am not opposed to giving Adams (or another kid) a shot, I was just answering Mr. Odds’ rhetorical what’s-the-worst-that-can-happen question with a straight answer. I think they consider the worst and best things that can happen before they make moves, or at least I hope they do, as in “ok, we bring in Ibanez, what’s the worst that can happen? Well, his bat could be fried and he could be exposed as a terrible fielder and cost us a lot of games. What’s the best that could happen? His bat could still have some life in it and maybe his terrible fielding isn’t exposed enough to cost us a lot of games.” And etc.
I have to chuckle at the “if they miss the postseason because of [this one thing] then they weren’t that good to begin with” argument. Because I recall that exact formulation being used by the Posada Truthers back in the Great Posada Debate of 2009 when certain people wanted more of Jose Molina’s warm defense over Posada’s whole game. Those were the days.
Cisco lives!
MTU December 7th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
AAO-
Cheap talk is not going to appease or satisfy anyone.
It’s actions that count and what fans will judge ownership by.
They couldn’t possibly be that stupid to think that.
Or could they be ?
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I think they truly believe it. Think about it every person they “targeted” they lost out on. Every time they were linked to a player another report came out about them not being interested. Also take into account the no authority to make moves story and the anger developing in the fan base. So all of sudden out of no where the FO not Cashman himself but the FO is doing a background check on Hamilton.
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