Best of what’s left
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 08, 2012 
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The weekend after the Winter Meetings seems like a good time to take a look at what’s left on the free agent market. Obviously not all of these players fit the Yankees needs, but it does give some idea of the strength of the market as we wrap up the first week of December.
Lineup
CF Michael Bourn
3B Kevin Youkilis
LF Josh Hamilton
RF Nick Swisher
1B Adam LaRoche
DH Cody Ross
C A.J. Pierzynski
2B Kelly Johnson
SS Stephen Drew
Most of these choices are pretty clear. I’ll give Youkilis the nod over Mark Reynolds as the top third baseman on the market, and I’ll give Ross the DH spot ahead of an injury risk like Lance Berkman. Second base and shortstop — not surprisingly — are clearly the weakest spots on the market right now. And take a look at the bottom half of this order. There are a lot of left-handed bats out there.
Bench
OF Ichiro Suzuki
2B/SS Hiroyuki Nakajima
1B/3B Mark Reynolds
C Rod Barajas
The outfield market matters a great deal to the Yankees. The stars are obviously listed above in my starting lineup, but there’s still significant depth available, especially with platoon bats. Guys like Ryan Sweeney, Scott Hairston, Delmon Young, Raul Ibanez, Matt Diaz, Andres Torres and even (if he’s healthy) Grady Sizemore could be helpful in specific roles. As for a utility option, I have no idea whether Nakajima — the guy the Yankees actually had the rights to last winter — can hit in the big leagues or play somewhere other than shortstop, but given the alternatives, I’d rather give him a shot.
Rotation
RHP Zack Greinke
RHP Anibal Sanchez
RHP Edwin Jackson
RHP Kyle Lohse
RHP Shaun Marcum
After Greinke, the starting pitching market has always been full of good-but-not-great options; guys who could be anywhere from a No. 2 to a No. 4, and who come with some obvious questions about either durability or high-end potential. The Yankees grabbed two of those guys when they re-signed Hiroki Kuroda and Andy Pettitte. For the most part, the rest of the top starters are still available. My list doesn’t include Ryan Dempster, Joe Saunders or Francisco Liriano. There are still plenty of interesting rotation options out there.
Bullpen
RHP Rafael Soriano
RHP Brian Wilson
RHP Mike Adams
RHP Jose Valverde
RHP Brett Myers
RHP Matt Capps
RHP Carlos Villanueva
I usually try to make these resemble actual rosters, but for this bullpen, my choices are more about making a point than creating a pitching staff. There’s significant risk in guys like Brian Wilson, Matt Capps and (yikes) Jose Valverde, but the market does offer plenty of options that have late-inning or closing experience. Clearly Soriano is the cream of the crop, but he’s also going to be wildly more expensive than the others. It’s going to be interesting to see what kind of opportunities these guys get (and what kind of role Villanueva settles into).
Associated Press photos
Best of what’s left? All the good players are left pretty much…..you just have to pay for them
Thanks Chad. Now, let’s guess what non-Yankee team these guys will play for. Rule out the starters. Too long term for our new system.
CNN/SI described the Yankees as the losing team at the meetings. Shocker.
@Espngreeny: Reading of Cano’s pending free agency in NYDN. So this year will he actually run to 1st base? Dive for a ball? For 250 mil? Please?
#Yankees
CNN/SI described the Yankees as the losing team at the meetings. Shocker.
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Mac they aren’t losers…it’s the opposite they have had the best off season by not signing anyone
signed
delusional fans on other boards.
Blake, Austin, who knows, you guys might surprise anyways despite the lack of funds at this point. As for me, I’m glad there is no hockey in the meantime; imagine getting paid so much for having no academic merit and pushing a cold piece of rubber around!?
AAO,
I am old school. I like a player at every position or else it looks like Hanley chasing after the ball and getting it when it stops rolling.
Some reasonable trades:
1)Curtis Granderson for Dayan Viciedo and a prospect (downgrade, but cheaper, and does similar things, ChiSox will to spend and want a LH bat)
2)Hughes, Campos, and Adams/Nunez for Moustakas (probably an overpay, but need young talented bats in this lineup, especially in 3B)
3) With money saved not having to sign Youk and the Grandy trade can give some of that money to AJ in a 1 year deal. Or what Id rather see is sign Delmon Young, to a 1 year deal if the market completely falls on him. Really dont understand why we havent heard his name anywhere this offseason. Id consider giving him a 2 year deal honestly. Not a HR hitter, more line drive one, clutch hitter ( around .300 RISP in his career), and we saw what he can do in the postseason. Add to the fact he went .308/.333/.500 against lefties last year. sign Ichiro to play against RHs once in a while, if hes willing to take such a reduced role.
*3 b) If you can get Hamilton on 4 years you do it, and let Cano walk the next year. No reason to trade him, thats a championship caliber team with those 2 in the lineup. Go for broke.
C Romine/ Cervelli
1B Tex
2B Cano
3B Moustakas
SS Jeter
LF Viciedo
CF Gardner
RF Young (or Hamilton)
DH Arod (Young until he comes back, with dickerson/ichiro and a RH platoon bat splitting time until he comes back)
I know young isnt the greatest fielder, but neither was Swish, Gardner will make up for some of his inabilities.
And Hamilton is a strech, highly doubt it happens.
Against, opposing fans must indeed be basking in your team’s struggles. Let’s face it everybody is looking for that feel good moment. I’m glad enough for the recent history of the Giants, the Cards,…not so much
MTU December 8th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Ancient Chinese saying :
Sometimes by doing nothing you do something.
(Not really. It was in a fortune cookie is all. I can’t tell a lie.)
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I effectively sent the same message in an email to Cashman not long ago (though it seems like centuries). The Chinese have a point, but Cashman didn’t get it. Instead of doing “nothing” to continue to build on a something, He did a something and was left with a nothing.
If Blake ends up spelling “Youkalis” correctly any time soon, then I fear all is lost.
Swiss cheese is designed to have holes.
The Yankee lineup is not.
When one resembles the other there is a problem Houston.
“2)Hughes, Campos, and Adams/Nunez for Moustakas (probably an overpay, but need young talented bats in this lineup, especially in 3B)”
I don’t think the Royals would do this
“If Blake ends up spelling “Youkalis” correctly any time soon, then I fear all is lost.”
I don’t care how Youk a whatever is spelled
I’d be inclined to take Cano over Hamilton, despite being left with Rasmus in CF.
JAP-
I tried my best to lighten the mood but I failed.
A very good morning to our resident Jays fan.
Mr. Mills, can one grow anything indoors this time of year
that one can actually eat, save herbs?
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While driving last night, ESPN Radio quoted Cashman as having said he knows he can’t win with the current lineup…. no kidding, even Swisher isn’t in it… but it foretells something is brewing. What I say to the Yankees is also proverbial:
First, do no harm.
I wouldn’t call the Yankees losers yet for not having signed a bunch of bench players…..it depends on why they didn’t sign them…
.if really are planning on stop gapping like half the team and were asleep and missed out then yea they are losers…… But if they are actually planning something to improve the club and didnt want to take up roster spots with lesser players who would be over paid then that’s another thing……we have to see which of these it is
austinmac December 8th, 2012 at 9:16 am
AAO,
I am old school. I like a player at every position or else it looks like Hanley chasing after the ball and getting it when it stops rolling.
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lol I feel the same way
MTU December 8th, 2012 at 9:22 am
JAP-
I tried my best to lighten the mood but I failed.
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Nonsense! I smiled
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Try spelling, ” Buehrle,” or whatever his name is. Its not as if he’s Dave Stieb or anything.
JAP-
“First, do no harm.”
The Yankees taking the Hippocratic oath ?
More likely the Hypocrite oath.
jmills December 8th, 2012 at 9:22 am
I’d be inclined to take Cano over Hamilton, despite being left with Rasmus in CF.
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The idea was to ADD Hamilton, not subtract Cano! ALas…
If it were me I would sign Drew for 2-3 years as NY does not have a qualified internal option as they have already flushed Nunez from consideration.
I’d go Hamilton 4/100, with an opt out after year 1.
I’d sign AJP for 2 years and 18 mil. With 12 mil in year 1.
I’d trade Granderson and Hughes(if he is not interested in extending) to get the best near ML ready SS available.
I’d bring Adams, Nunez, Mustalier and C. Joseph to spring training and let them know it is an open competition for starting 3B and back-up 2B job. Compete and have fun.
I’d withdraw my offer from Youkalis.
JAP,
Cashman has violate the Hippocratic oath many times. Now, he just does nothing. Of course, he is not allowed. Signing players costs money.
MTU December 8th, 2012 at 9:26 am
JAP-
“First, do no harm.”
The Yankees taking the Hippocratic oath ?
More likely the Hypocrite oath.
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Haha! See? Laughing…:)
blake-
what would you suggest gets a deal done. I think its pretty fair, he hasnt been that impressive so far in his career. Hes not going to be a superstar. But I guess it all depends on Hughes sign-ability. Im hesitant to trade Nova, really like the kid, showed me a lot for 1 year and a half, not gonna let half a season, though abysmal, switch my view on him.
Hardest word to spell in the english language- “Phlegm”.
So many words to memorize. So few brains cells left.
“Phonetic” much America ?
Fortunately for all of you today is a hike day and I’ll be ghone soon.
Hi Alfred, I don’t bother with Herb Tarlicks, I stick with Ms.Euphorbias which will make any guest sick if they try and much down
I don’t care how Youk a whatever is spelled
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Blake, I can see that, and I’d like to keep it that way. Of course, you never found your way to spelling “Andrew” Jones’ name correctly, but maybe your stubbornness there was his undoing
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I like the idea of trading for Prado. Would give up Gardner or Granderson. He’s exactly what the Yanks need.
Cashman IS following the Hippocratic oath…..do no harm…..to Hals bank account
jmills December 8th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Against, opposing fans must indeed be basking in your team’s struggles
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They definitely are
” Much down ” ? – sorry, much. I have a table laptop, yet still insist on this blackberry.
Good one Blake.
jmills December 8th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Hi Alfred, I don’t bother with Herb Tarlicks, I stick with Ms.Euphorbias which will make any guest sick if they try and much down
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Clever, that way house guests don’t overstay their welcome
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We have some red shiso growing on our dining room table. Very aromatic.
“what would you suggest gets a deal done. I ”
In agree it would probably depend on Hughes….what they thought of him and if they thought they could sign him…,,just don’t think they’d trade their young 3B for a year of Hughes and a A ball pitcher with elbow trouble
Mills-
I prefer Jimson weed.
Drives me loco trying to find it though.
See? – ” munch ” – one day, I’ll get it right,….not today.
I am a little more optimistic as the Twins want to be competitive just like the Yankees. We will have someone to compete with.
Would love to have Prado….don’t think the braves can deal him though unless they could get another 3B
Im hesitant to trade Nova, really like the kid, showed me a lot for 1 year and a half, not gonna let half a season, though abysmal, switch my view on him.
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+1.
“Mac they aren’t losers…it’s the opposite they have had the best off season by not signing anyone”
No one of note has been signed yet.
blake-
True, if Betances had a descent season I would of been willing to throw him in there. I guess I’m fantasizing. We have no upper level pitching to match up with them I guess.
Getting ready soon.
Hike day.
Have a good one all.
Check your “Constellations” and don’t be like the “Dog star”.
It can be injurious to your health.
MTU, given your past history, you don’t need anything my friend. If I’m an adopted mascot, you’re the ever ready bunny!
Cashman has violate the Hippocratic oath many times. Now, he just does nothing. Of course, he is not allowed. Signing players costs money.
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The deprivation now gives him a built-in excuse to decimate the farm. I still don’t think that Hamilton is out of the question, however.
raymagnetic December 8th, 2012 at 9:34 am
“Mac they aren’t losers…it’s the opposite they have had the best off season by not signing anyone”
No one of note has been signed yet.
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What about a guy like Kepp I wouldn’t have given him those yrs but he could have helped the team.
Cashman is the kind of guy who likes to deflect blame. “Beggars can’t be choosers” was in no small part a snide remark at ownership. If I were Hal that would piss me off and it would be something that ultimately leads to his departure.
I would bring Cashman into that office and ask him to explain himself and also ask him where are all my ML ready players from the minor leagues you promised to produce 6 years ago?
I would bring Cashman into that office and ask him to explain himself and also ask him where are all my ML ready players from the minor leagues you promised to produce 6 years ago?
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Cash: It’s a progress and then rattles off the names of the next wave of kids.
process*
Mills-
Everybody knows my elevator does not go to the top floor.
That I’m 2 pints short of quart.
And that I don’t have all my oars in the water.
But other than that I’m fine.
Catch you later.
Since the winter of 2008, everytime Cashman gets in front of a microphone he has done nothing but to quell excitement and lower expectations among Yankee fans.
He is a master at throwing a wet blanket around any and all hope and excitement fans may still hold out on. Take a look at this guy’s expression. Does it inspire confidence that this is a guy leading the Yankees back to the promised land?
Why is this guy still the GM? Aside from signing scrap heap players what really has he done to improve the team and sustain it for LT success, once ownership gave him some budget constraints? Has he shown any sliver of creativity to find value?
Alfred, none of them are worth it. I saw an interview with Marcel Dionne ( in Gretzky’s rookie year, he tied slow Wayne with 137 points and won the title based upon more goals ); Dionne basically stated that the present ice pusher was an over paid brat out of touch with the supportive fan – couldn’t concur more!
yankee21 December 8th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Cashman is the kind of guy who likes to deflect blame. “Beggars can’t be choosers” was in no small part a snide remark at ownership. If I were Hal that would piss me off and it would be something that ultimately leads to his departure.
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If they sent him to the GM meetings with orders to not spend a dime, I don’t blame him.
You have the Yankees telling him to not spend any money, and people here saying basically to not trade prospects unless you can fleece the other team (not happening), what exactly does he have left to do?
Odds;
Hal should say why don’t you give them a chance? Why didn’t we have one ML AB from a position player rookie in 2012 until after the rosters expanded? You don’t trust them do you? If not, why not? Is it a coaching, development, issue? If it is, why are they still coaching in the minor leagues? Why don’t you take actions instead of spending my millions on guys like Andru Jones, Casey McGhee and Steve Pearce?
jacksquat; why didn’t Cashman strongly advocate signing one of the cuban OF last year or trading Swisher last year if he knew budget would be tight the next couple of years? Why wasn’t he more proactive? Is it a sudden surprise he can’t spend any money, oh poor Cashman, maybe if he had produced some position players and had the b**** to give them a chance he wouldn’t be crying about lack of spending money at the winter meetings.
jacksquat; I have to go but let me be clear. I think Hal is a suit who could care less about the Yankees and their fans. He is fixated on profit. He doesn’t recognize he is selling entertainment and people will not spend $$$ to watch a boring, uninteresting product. All that said I am concerned that Cashman is being made out to be some kind of martyr that he can do no wrong because his daddy won’t give him any money for Christmas.
Give me a break, Cashman is as much to blame for the Yankees situation as is Hal.
So how long is Youk gonna hold the Yankees hostage with his decision? They need an answer soon…
Can we ask Santa for a new 3rd. base coach ? ( I KNOW we can’t afford one though )
yankee21 December 8th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Odds;
Hal should say why don’t you give them a chance? Why didn’t we have one ML AB from a position player rookie in 2012 until after the rosters expanded? You don’t trust them do you? If not, why not? Is it a coaching, development, issue? If it is, why are they still coaching in the minor leagues? Why don’t you take actions instead of spending my millions on guys like Andru Jones, Casey McGhee and Steve Pearce?
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I guess Hal can say those things but Hal strikes me as a guy not that in tune with the minors and how players develop. JF posted an espn article a days days ago and when talking about the next wave of kids he pulled a piece of paper out of his pocket and read the names off: Tyler Austin, Slade Heathcott and Mason Williams. I think he just relies on what the scouts and Cashman tell him.
; I have to go but let me be clear. I think Hal is a suit who could care less about the Yankees and their fans
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Barely shows up to the games
yankee21 December 8th, 2012 at 9:50 am
jacksquat; why didn’t Cashman strongly advocate signing one of the cuban OF last year or trading Swisher last year if he knew budget would be tight the next couple of years?
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How do you know he didn’t? You don’t think it’s possible he wanted to do that and it wasn’t approved by Hal? “Too risky, offer him peanuts”. Same with Yu probably, their bid was pathetic. “I still have to pay the money even if only half counts against the CBT limit”. “Hmmm, ticket sales are down, we need to make a splash, sign Soriano for whatever it takes”…
4 NYY, you can have Butterfield, and take the Ferret, Ferrell, while you’re at it.
Cashman is not dumb. I haven’t liked him very much over the last couple of years, but I can’t call him stupid.
Beggars can’t be choosers and Having no authority were put out for public consumption for a reason. I don’t for a minute believe it was just to deflect blame from Cashman.
I keep coming back to there is something going on that we are not aware of. Or possibly I just over estimate the whole Yankee front office.
This about sums things up :
“They that have power to hurt and will do none,
That do not do the thing they most do show,
Who, moving others, are themselves as stone,
Unmoved, cold, and to temptation slow,
They rightly do inherit heaven’s graces
And husband nature’s riches from expense;
They are the lords and owners of their faces,
Others but stewards of their excellence.
The summer’s flower is to the summer sweet,
Though to itself it only live and die,
But if that flower with base infection meet,
The basest weed outbraves his dignity:
For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds;
Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds.”
I’ll catch you after the mid-day Sun has transited the sky.
Good morning guys,
Jacksquat,
I am a prospect hugger, that is no secret, but I wouldn’t be so adverse to trades right now if not for the following reasons:
1) I don’t trust their talent evaluation capabilities when it comes down to players on the farm. I am afraid they are going to trade the keepers instead of the true trade chips. We’ve got plenty of examples in the recent past to think this time won’t happen again.
2) Since we are in a weak position ( we just lost Arod, Swisher, Jeter’s injury ) we are bound to overpay in talent, plus we are not one player away, but several to have a true championship team.
3) Last but not least, we need to rebuild the core.
I am not saying don’t make trades, what I would do is assume the reality that this team may compete, but the are larger things at risk here ( long term success ). Meaning, we have a lot of aging players, no payroll flexibility or willingness to spend more and no inmediate help from within. We are going in to a downward period, they just should recognize this and act accordingly to make it as short as it can be.
Cashman has turned into Eeyore. It is depressing whenever he opens his mouth.
And yes,the Yankees were losers. All of baseball is laughing at them. They went to the winter meetings without authority to spend any money. That, my friends, is a joke.
Really, I wouldn’t be surprised if Cashman quit with his apparent working conditions. He might be just sticking around to collect the money from him contract. From reports it sounds like he locked himself in his hotel room the last day of the Winter meetings and wouldn’t talk to any reporters.
“Don’t spend any money”
“You want me to go the Winter Meetings but not have any money?”
“Yes”
“Then why bother going at all?”
“We are the Yankees. We need to keep up appearances.”
…
(Levine to Hal) “Hey, the press is killing us and season ticket sales are way down.”
(Hal) “Put out a rumor we are interested in Hamilton, stat. Then sign Youkilis or something.”
“What about the other positions?”
“What other positions?”
How do you know he didn’t? You don’t think it’s possible he wanted to do that and it wasn’t approved by Hal? “Too risky, offer him peanuts”. Same with Yu probably, their bid was pathetic. “I still have to pay the money even if only half counts against the CBT limit”. “Hmmm, ticket sales are down, we need to make a splash, sign Soriano for whatever it takes”…
Jacksquat; how do you know he did? It is simple none of us do know who he did or didn’t advocate behind closed doors to ownership. However I look at the track record, I look at his tenure and any examples of operating in a pro-active fashion in the last 4 years. I just do not see enough of it to give me any confidence that Cashman can run this franchise successfully. I think he just does not have the necessary competencies.
Jack,
Good one. Probably close to accurate.
“What about a guy like Kepp I wouldn’t have given him those yrs but he could have helped the team.”
So you think the years weren’t good but Cashman should’ve signed him anyway
Seems to me that Cashman just can’t win.
And trust me I think Cashman got played big time by Seattle a couple of times and I’m not a Cashman cheerleader by any means. But c’mon man, Keppinger?
I don’t consider Keppinger to be anyone of importance. Adams or Mustelier can fill Keppinger’s role for a fraction of the cost.
Yeah, real smart move by Cashman railing against signing Soriano a couple years back. Let me ask you, where would the Yankees have finished if they did not have Soriano last year? You can call Levine a jerk in so many words but he got that one right.
Another great example of pro-active thinking on Cashman’s part.
See ya’, MTU, I have to depart soon as well and get my better half, the beastly WRX serviced. Tar, nothing like a little Red Barchetta in the A.M.
You know what? I think it is all posturing. They just don’t have the guts to say we are in rebuilding mode and do things like the sux’s GM did last season. The fan base was pissed, but it was the right move.
I remember when Cashman wanted to add Cameron at the TD a few years ago and Hal refused. Hal controls all expenditures. I don’t know how much is Cashman’s fault. I would guess he has little power.
He will leave when his contract is up.
I don’t consider Keppinger to be anyone of importance. Adams or Mustelier can fill Keppinger’s role for a fraction of the cost.
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They aren’t going to give them a shot though. If the report about Youk is true.
1) I don’t trust their talent evaluation capabilities when it comes down to players on the farm. I am afraid they are going to trade the keepers instead of the true trade chips. We’ve got plenty of examples in the recent past to think this time won’t happen again.
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Hey Luis.
The problem is, you aren’t going to get much if anything trading B prospects. On top of that, our blue chippers are A ballers, a few just about to start AA. You could basically only trade them for other prospects, or have to “overpay” with them to get a major leaguer because they are somewhat unproven.
Speaking of trading for other prospects, what do you think of your countryman Wilmer Flores? He is blocked by David Wright now, I think we should trade one of our outfielders for him.
Mills-
I like this one too :
“Ye shall know them by their deeds.”
Or
As Ross Perot once said, “Words are cheap. Actions are precious.”
Later.
This time I’m really gone.
Cashman’s a bright guy and a generally good GM. He’s been in a tough situation in terms of ownership. First with George, who would make deals behind his back and refused to spend on the draft, and now with Hal, who makes deals behind his back, refused to spend on the draft and IFA before the rules changed, and who isn’t driven to win. What Cash doesn’t get enough credit for is rebuilding the farm and the scouting staff. Trading Montero was a pretty massive mistake, based on the idea that they could trade for a young ace, instead of having to buy one.
Ray,
The word is neither Adams nor Mustelier are adequate defensively at third. Adams has only had a few dozen games there. Keppinger is far better than neither is likely to be. End of the world? No, but if they don’t add some good players, I agree with Cashman, they can’t win.
I think it is time for Cashman to move on. He does not add any value.
I think it is time for Hal to sell the team or make a committment to invest in the team, long term.
Speaking of poetics, do no harm to the farm has a nice ring to it. Or I should say, do no further,/i> harm…
Ugh, it’s too early for me to get the italics right.
yankee21 December 8th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Yeah, real smart move by Cashman railing against signing Soriano a couple years back. Let me ask you, where would the Yankees have finished if they did not have Soriano last year? You can call Levine a jerk in so many words but he got that one right.
Another great example of pro-active thinking on Cashman’s part.
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Soriano was a terrible sign. You have to evaluate at the time of the trade. We had Mo, and we signed a mega-expensive closer to be a middle reliever, for 3 years, and he had full opt out control. Mo had shown practically zero signs of decline. It was dumb. The Yankees only got “lucky” that Mo got hurt and Soriano actually earned his money for one year, then lucky again when he opted out.
Austinmac; Adams just started playing 3B, from what I read he was not a butcher there and has good infielder abilities as a 2B which could transfer over. I don’t think you can lump him in with Mustelier in terms of defensive ability.
I’d give Mustelier a shot as a DH and utility guy. All indications are he can hit.
I will believe the farm is rebuilt when it produces top quality MLB players. Until then it is hyperbole. Cano and Granderson, at 29, are their youngest home grown position players.
Pitching? Hughes and Robertson?
Bros. only spending $1.89 ( beer “Steins” ) on gifts this Christmas and $ 189 Million on team for 2014 !!!
Cashman was just a puppet at meetings.
jacksquat; I was one of the few who didn’t think signing Soriano was a dumb sign. When Soriano was signed, Mo was 41 years old. What was the succession plan Cashman had in mind to succeed Mo, or was he just thinking that this super-human indidvidual would close games forever and not worry about it?
“They aren’t going to give them a shot though. If the report about Youk is true.”
This is what I take issue with. No reason not to let those guys play.
Yankees21,
That’s why I said Adams only had a few games there. The Yankees have announced to the world he isn’t ready. He better be. And why would they let that be known?
In the games I saw at AA, Adams was adequate at third; made some good plays going to his right, but he has barely played there. Yanks probably won’t give him a shot though. They’ll be overly cautious like they always are. I have no idea what Mustelier’s D is like, but don’t think it is very good.
The Yankees are relying even more heavily on Mo at 43 coming back from a broken ankle. No one wants to acknowledge that risk for fear of offending a legend.
JS,
About Flores… Yes!… I have seen him in the Liga Profesional down here this season, and he is playing very well… I think that he even was selected for the AS game… He is realizing his potential.. He has pop and a good plate approach, he has a gun for an arm and soft hands… So yeah, I would trade for him.
FTR: I was having Ajax in mind when I made the comment
YF!!!
Long time no see!…Hope the ankle is healed and that you are running around
got to go,
I enjoyed the debate jacksquat. Have a good Saturday all.
raymagnetic December 8th, 2012 at 10:24 am
“They aren’t going to give them a shot though. If the report about Youk is true.”
This is what I take issue with. No reason not to let those guys play.
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Exactly why pay Youk 12 million
See ya 21
luis, we will be getting little help for the team this year ( it appears ) and will sink in the standings also, I’m afraid. SP & BP better be up for the ride, or we’ll really falter.
All about $189 million, the bad contracts, and AGE.
Oh, for some new young blood !
Against All Odds December 8th, 2012 at 10:36 am
raymagnetic December 8th, 2012 at 10:24 am
“They aren’t going to give them a shot though. If the report about Youk is true.”
This is what I take issue with. No reason not to let those guys play.
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Exactly why pay Youk 12 million
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And since you have those two guys almost ready…Why not allocate those resources on AJP?, I am fine going to war with a tandem of Romine/Cervelli/Stewart…But spending 12 mil on a injury proned player that has become more of a platoon player (he has struggled against RHP)… Oh!, I get it!…He is hairy, ugly and probably a monster in disguise
Mustelier’s fld% at 3B (only 26 games total) is .941, a little below average. He’s probably below average there. They seem to be playing him more in the outfield.
A Mustelier/Dickerson platoon in RF might work.
4 NYY December 8th, 2012 at 10:40 am
luis, we will be getting little help for the team this year ( it appears ) and will sink in the standings also, I’m afraid. SP & BP better be up for the ride, or we’ll really falter.
All about $189 million, the bad contracts, and AGE.
Oh, for some new young blood !
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Hi 4 NYY…Long time no see… Yup, that seems to be the case… I would rather see them speaking the truth, instead of this posturing… Let’s get a youth movement, at least I would be excited to see them play.
The Rangers and Phillies had advanced talks about a trade involving Michael Young earlier this week, and MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan says the deal could happen today. Young is expected to waive his no-trade clause to approve the move to Philadelphia.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#Tssx6SmgFtHtHSXK.99
luis December 8th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Against All Odds December 8th, 2012 at 10:36 am
raymagnetic December 8th, 2012 at 10:24 am
“They aren’t going to give them a shot though. If the report about Youk is true.”
This is what I take issue with. No reason not to let those guys play.
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Exactly why pay Youk 12 million
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And since you have those two guys almost ready…Why not allocate those resources on AJP?, I am fine going to war with a tandem of Romine/Cervelli/Stewart…But spending 12 mil on a injury proned player that has become more of a platoon player (he has struggled against RHP)… Oh!, I get it!…He is hairy, ugly and probably a monster in disguise
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Yes they love their big hairy monsters. I think they honestly believe Youk would bounce back if and have a better year if he joins the team.
What are they giving up for Young..? Have we heard anything on that front yet?
@JonHeymanCBS
Ryan Ludwick gets $15M, 2 yrs. #reds
Against All Odds December
Exactly why pay Youk 12 million
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he’s not worth it…
Romine/Cervelli/Stewart…this is as bad as it gets ..
And in honor of the late, great John Lennon – here he is discussing the possibility of a Beatles reunion:
He also talked about plans for a possible return to the road. “We just might do it,” he said. “But there will be no smoke bombs, no lipstick, no flashing lights. It just has to be comfy. But we could have a laugh. We’re born-again rockers, and we’re starting over…There’s plenty of time, right? Plenty of time.”
He was shot later that week.
…………..The WIN NOW mentality has it’s merits is all I’m saying.
Shame Spencer December 8th, 2012 at 10:57 am
What are they giving up for Young..? Have we heard anything on that front yet?
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there are players named on rotoworld
MLB.com’s T.R. Sulivan reports that Michael Young is expected to accept a trade to the Phillies and that a deal could be done as soon as Saturday.
After spending his entire career in Texas, Young projects to enter spring training as the Phillies’ starting third baseman. The Rangers will save roughly $5 million in payroll that they can use towards signing Zack Greinke, and are expected to receive Josh Lindblom and a prospect in return.
Romine/Cervelli/Stewart…this is as bad as it gets ..
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Yea it’s pretty bad but they have been telling us for yrs that everyone wants their catchers well now it’s time to sink or swim with them.
A.J. Pierzynski on a one year would be the way to go…
One of the reasons why the Yanks should look into Hamilton is because Cano is a free agent next year. It’s going to be a real test to see how Hal handles his contract. Everyone knows that the Dodgers are going to blow him away with an offer and I doubt that Hal will top it. At least if Cano leaves the Yanks will have Hamilton in the middle of the order. It obviously doesn’t replace him but it’s hard to know what to expect from the front office moving forward. The fact that they haven’t even tried to sign Cano to a long term deal yet makes absolutely no sense.
Against All Odds December 8th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Romine/Cervelli/Stewart…this is as bad as it gets ..
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Yea it’s pretty bad but they have been telling us for yrs that everyone wants their catchers well now it’s time to sink or swim with them.
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last year was nice without Cervelli around
only way Hamilton can get here is if they can trade Granderson….Cano is another story because he’s going to want at least a 5 year contract if not more and I don’t think the Yankees will give him that
AJ will never catch for the Yanks as long as Girardi is the manager. They got rid of Montero because Girardi refused to get him catch. Unless his price really drops I don’t think there is anyway he is a Yankee. Girardi would rather have a catcher hit .170 instead of .290 if it means having great defense.
joeman December 8th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Against All Odds December 8th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Romine/Cervelli/Stewart…this is as bad as it gets ..
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Yea it’s pretty bad but they have been telling us for yrs that everyone wants their catchers well now it’s time to sink or swim with them.
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last year was nice without Cervelli around
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I missed seeing Cervelli last season. I know he can be annoying but he brings energy to team.
pull the bid on YOUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the Yanks could definitely trade Granderson if they wanted to. A lot of teams would be interested in him for only a 1 year commitment. They might not get a lot back but it would be worth it to just get rid of his $.
Then sign Josh
Against All Odds December 8th, 2012 at 11:14 am
joeman December 8th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Against All Odds December 8th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Romine/Cervelli/Stewart…this is as bad as it gets ..
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Yea it’s pretty bad but they have been telling us for yrs that everyone wants their catchers well now it’s time to sink or swim with them.
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last year was nice without Cervelli around
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I missed seeing Cervelli last season. I know he can be annoying but he brings energy to team
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is that what this team needs is energy..I thought it was players who can play the game at the major league level
Captain Clutch December 8th, 2012 at 11:15 am
I think the Yanks could definitely trade Granderson if they wanted to. A lot of teams would be interested in him for only a 1 year commitment. They might not get a lot back but it would be worth it to just get rid of his $.
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yes a lot of teams would like to have him for sure….how about the Braves and bring Pardo back
Braves OF of Granderson,BJ Upton & Heyward would look sweet
I wish we would have tried for Young. Cheaper than Youkilis and better, IMO.
The Rangers may now have more money to spend. Oh good
I just had a look at the last thread over at RAB. Not all the regulars there at the moment but nearly everybody who is there have seconded moving Cano, including our old friend, Rich in NJ.
I wonder if they’ll do it or if that’s just too big for the Yanks to handle.
Of course the following move better be to sign Hamilton!
Cano to the Mariners for Zunino. Yeah, he looks that good.
Nunez and Adams compete for 2B.
Setting – The Hal Steinbrenner kitchen. Hal is sitting alone at the breakfast table, eating a bowl of cereal, while leisurely reading the back of a box of Kellog’s Corn Flakes. His ring tone of, “He Aint Heavy He’s My Brother” suddenly fills the air.
HAL – (Removes phone from kitchen table, looks at who is calling) – “Oh hell”. (Clicks phone to address caller) “Dammit, why are you bothering me onna Saturday?
HANK -” We just gotta get that Hamilton Kid, Bro. Just gotta do it. You know with A-Rod beat to hell, the offense does need some Juice. (Hysterically laughs at his own joke)
HAL – “Well first off, Hamilton is NOT a kid, second your the JACKASS that signed A-Rod to begin with, 3rd, IT AINT FUNNY, and 4th, NEVER call me Bro.
HANK – “What the heck crawled up your arse ? The Mrs cuttin’ you off at the pass again? (laughs again)
HAL – “Look, I’m not shelling out that kinda dough onna guy with a drug problem.
HANK – “Well, Dad took chances on Howe, The Straw, and Gooden, so why can’t we be like Dad?
HAL – (agitated) “I AINT Dad”.
HANK – “You can say that again”
(Hal clicks his phone off, slams it down on the kitchen table, and picks up his bowl of cereal. He gets a spoon full of cereal in his mouth, when the ring tone goes off again.
HAL -(Picks up the phone looking at who is calling) “Gad Dammit” (Clicks phone to take call)
( Hank is pictured with a hankerchief over his phone, speaking inna ridiculously low voice)
HANK – “Hal, this is Levine. We gotta pull the trigger and sign Hamilton. It’s the prudent thing to do.
HAL- “You IDIOT. I can clearly see it’s you Hank”.
HANK -( in his normal voice) ‘What you talkin’ about Willis”? (Laughs hysterically again).
Rangers 5 million more its for Zach
Of course the following move better be to sign Hamilton!
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Yankees won’t sign Hamilton. Recovering addict and gets injured. Rather sign Cano. Can hit, field and doesn’t get hurt.
@mlbtraderumors: Cano Will Not Give Yankees A Hometown Discount http://t.co/AzsFt3xn #mlb
Of course he won’t…..which is why they need to plan accordingly now rather than wait until next winter and say …. Oh crap the Dodgers are offering him 250…..
“Yankees won’t sign Hamilton. Recovering addict and gets injured. Rather sign Cano. Can hit, field and doesn’t get hurt.”
Also will take 8 or 9 years and 200+ million most likely…..Hamilton for 4 or even 5 years is a better investment especially when you’d have them both for 2013
Setting – The Hal Steinbrenner kitchen.
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Talk about a dichotomous pair.
Hank and Hal are as different as night and day.
Must have had a dynamic or conflicted father, or not…
Each seems an extreme of George’s multi-personality.
blake December 8th, 2012 at 11:54 am
@mlbtraderumors: Cano Will Not Give Yankees A Hometown Discount http://t.co/AzsFt3xn #mlb
Of course he won’t…..which is why they need to plan accordingly now rather than wait until next winter and say …. Oh crap the Dodgers are offering him 250…..
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This off season may give us enough insight to know for sure what they’re doing but there is no doubt in my mind the Dodgers would go to $230-250.
The Yanks would be able to match but it basically assures you’re pushing Mo, Andy and Kuroda completely off the table for 2014.
- mick -
Could be the mail man got involved.
An opportunity like this fell into George’s lap, and he would snap-it-up.
Also will take 8 or 9 years and 200+ million most likely…..Hamilton for 4 or even 5 years is a better investment especially when you’d have them both for 2013
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Don’t think Hamilton wants/should have to deal with NY media after every game. That alone might drive him to drink/drugs. NY is not a good fit for him.
Josh and AJ under my tree…………………….woooooooooo haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Could be the mail man got involved.
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George was actually the more balanced of the 3.
He was able to balance his checkbook and his impulsiveness for whatever the cost athletes.
Right now, Texas is being allowed to proceed at their own pace concerning their choice of Greinke of Hamilton. George woulda chased Hamilton to get Texas “off the dime”, and to ratchet the price up. Hal aint gotta clue when it comes to a playing poker. Hal has NO idea what, “you don’t play The Hand, you play The Man” means. He is a typical “Bottom Line”, 1 dimensional thinker.
It will be interesting to see what Cano gets. There are no real comparables out there for 2b. Guys like Utley and Ian Kinsler did not receive over-the-top contracts. What did Brandon Phillips get — six years $72.5 million.
I know there is more money flowing in baseball, but it would be quite a leap for Cano to command more than $200 million when you see what other all-star caliber second basemen earn.
Hank was the force behind the overpayment of Arod.
He is as one dimensional as Hal, to the other extreme.
Together they represent the bipolarity of George.
Cano for Zunino
Tyler Austin or Slade Heathcott for Wilmer Flores
Sign Hamilton
Gardner CF
Jeter SS
Hamilton RF
Teixeira 1B
Granderson LF
DH (need a good solution here; Berkman?)
Zunino C
Flores 3B
Nunez/Adams 2B
When/if Arod gets back he can play 3B if Flores is not working out, or DH if the DH is not working out, or split time between both.
If we don’t bring Cano back that’s another clue they are selling the team as last place will be on the future horizon.
I think that Cashman is trying to trade for a RFer before he signs a free agent. At least that would explain why the Yanks haven’t been connected to any free agent outfielders besides Ichiro. I find it hard to believe that if they sign Youk that would be the only addition to the offense.
Some have said Swisher could fall back into our laps. So far, other teams are playing the waiting game on him and he could be the last man standing as far as RF is concerned.
Mick, I think you’re right.
Why would Youk come here? He clearly did not jump at the chance of being a Yankee and is negotiating with Cleveland where he could be big man on campus and get special treatment from Tito .
Clearly, being a Yankee, is a thing of the past.
Hal seems to be playing the role of CBS in the good old days when they presided over decayed Yankee teams.
Full circle would be if they sold to Cuban and he became the new George.
Hal never wanted to get involved back in the day and now we know why.
He stood no chance against the tag team tandem of Hank and George.
Wonder what those Thanksgiving dinners were like?
Seems like there is no interest in Ichiro among other teams.
Could see he, Hairston and Ibanez as some combo platter of RF/DH with Barajas catching.
Barajas is crap
Mick,
I could easily see that combination. In my view, too old and too likely to be worse than they were last year. Hairston had a career year, Ibanez returned from Hogwarts for one last trick and Ichiro had two pretty good months in the last two years.
I believe I read Barajas threw out 13% of base runners last year. But, on the other hand, he can’t hit either.
According tomRichard Justice, the Rangers may add Greinke, Upton and bring back Hamilton. Don’t worry, Reynolds is still out there. Team him with Grandy and records will fall.
I’d trade Cano..without a doubt..get a nice package of players in return, he’s going to shiit for the moon with his contrac, in terms of years and $$$$
What nice package of players can you get for a guy on a 1yr deal?
@JonHeymanCBS: #rangers will pay well more than half toward youngs $16M salary, understandable after his off 2012 season
Much rather have Young for like 7 or 8 million than Puke for 12
“According tomRichard Justice, the Rangers may add Greinke, Upton and bring back Hamilton. Don’t worry, Reynolds is still out there. Team him with Grandy and records will fall.”
They could do that….but I highly doubt they will as itd put them pretty darn close to the luxury tax themselves.
@JSalisburyCSN: Confirmed. Young is a Phillie. Rangers to pay more than 10 mill of 16 mill salary, according to source. Young gets no trade
Looks like the Yanks would rather have tried to get Young and pay half as much ……
blake December 8th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
@JSalisburyCSN: Confirmed. Young is a Phillie. Rangers to pay more than 10 mill of 16 mill salary, according to source. Young gets no trade
Looks like the Yanks would rather have tried to get Young and pay half as much ……
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not bad..Phil gets to use Young to play 3rd for 6 mil….
@DKnobler: Phillies have filled CF and 3B without adding too much to payroll. Young will cost them about half what Youkilis will cost NYY (if he signs)
Against All Odds December 8th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
What nice package of players can you get for a guy on a 1yr deal?
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LOL!!!! A team that is going to trade for will want to keep him….whats the 1 year mean
mick December 8th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Why would Youk come here? He clearly did not jump at the chance of being a Yankee and is negotiating with Cleveland where he could be big man on campus and get special treatment from Tito .
Clearly, being a Yankee, is a thing of the past.
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my question is why would they want to spend 12 mil for him ? what a joke
so basically, despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth this week, all of the best FA’s are still available. As are just about all of the trade targets.
joeman December 8th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Against All Odds December 8th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
What nice package of players can you get for a guy on a 1yr deal?
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LOL!!!! A team that is going to trade for will want to keep him….whats the 1 year mean
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If Cano is traded why he extended with that club if he’s that much closer to free agency
I really starting to believe that the Yankees had no plan going into this off season
Against All Odds December 8th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
joeman December 8th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Against All Odds December 8th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
What nice package of players can you get for a guy on a 1yr deal?
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LOL!!!! A team that is going to trade for will want to keep him….whats the 1 year mean
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If Cano is traded why he extended with that club if he’s that much closer to free agency
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how about if the team he’s traded to gives him what he wants..
What if Boras says nah we can get more on the market
joeman December 8th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
I really starting to believe that the Yankees had no plan going into this off season
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Maybe or they didn’t think the market would explode like it did.
@PeteAbe: Dale Murphy’s son, Chad, sent HoF voters a letter supporting his father’s candidacy. It ridicules “statistics nerds.” Yes, seriously.
What’s wrong with that?
I really starting to believe that the Yankees had no plan going into this off season”
The plan is to get under the luxury tax
The main free agents are still available. That is irrelevant to the Yankees. They must add four players with one year contracts. Young would have been a great addition.
the guys who’ve signed weren’t even the top of the market guys and the prices were stupid.
not participating was likely an excellent idea.
The phillies did give legit…not great .. But legit prospects for young though …..wouldn’t have wanted that
They knew they had a problem with Arod ( even before this all came out) they also knew were going to lose their starting RFer & catcher…they also know the have players (VIP) that won’t be here next year ..they also have two players that will come off big time injuries…..Gardners cost him all last season & Jeter’s injury at his age who knows…there’s no plan here…12 mil for Yuok whatever his name is…crazy stuff
They had a plan. Wait until the expensive guys are signed and see what’s left.
“not participating was likely an excellent idea.”
Mostly….but a couple of guys would have been useful if they are planning to just stop gap everything ….especially Chavez and a couple of the back up catchers….hopefully they have bigger plans for those spots
@jaysonst: That’s my understanding. Yes. No state income tax in Texas RT @Bristol_Hoops: @jaysonst Is that $1.2 million to make up the taxes?
blake December 8th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
I really starting to believe that the Yankees had no plan going into this off season”
The plan is to get under the luxury tax
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isn’t that until 2014…
“isn’t that until 2014…”
Multi year deals count towards 2014
blake December 8th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Would love to have Prado….don’t think the braves can deal him though unless they could get another 3B
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I think their plan in to try to use Pardo in LF , they Have a young 3rd baseman I think his last name is Francisco that they want to play there
@ElvisandrusSS1: Super sad that our captain michael young is gone wish the best for him and his family. Be always the best!!!
Don’t worry Elvis….you’ll probay be gone soon too
blake December 8th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
“isn’t that until 2014…”
Multi year deals count towards 2014
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not one year
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I think their plan in to try to use Pardo in LF , they Have a young 3rd baseman I think his last name is Francisco that they want to play there”
Francisco is a back up ideally…..They are saying Prado will play 3B and they are actively looking for a LFEr
“not one year”
That’s all they are offering and most players won’t take those…..
@eboland11: More A-Rod passing out toys at Boys and Girls club. He’ll be talking in a bit http://t.co/6q8ixtNJ
Santa Alex…..brought is all lumps of coal this year
blake December 8th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
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I think their plan in to try to use Pardo in LF , they Have a young 3rd baseman I think his last name is Francisco that they want to play there”
Francisco is a back up ideally…..They are saying Prado will play 3B and they are actively looking for a LFEr
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Francisco looking like starter: Braves third baseman Juan Francisco is expected to get a shot to become Atlanta’s everyday starter at third next season, reports the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Saturday
http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....als-80318/
Interesting trade partner should the Yanks decide to deal Cano (extremely unlikely IMO)….team is a contender , needs a 2B, and has lots of interesting prospects ….guess who before clicking the link
blake December 8th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
http://riveraveblues.com/2012/…..als-80318/
Interesting trade partner should the Yanks decide to deal Cano (extremely unlikely IMO)….team is a contender , needs a 2B, and has lots of interesting prospects ….guess who before clicking the link
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didn’t look…I say Nats or Dodgers
“Francisco looking like starter: Braves third baseman Juan Francisco is expected to get a shot to become Atlanta’s everyday starter at third next season, reports the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Saturday”
I think only big they can’t add a LFer….if they can’t then they may put fransico at 3rd and keep Prado in LF but listening to Wren talk and just what I know about the team their preference is to move Prado to 3B and add an impact bat for LF
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didn’t look…I say Nats or Dodgers
Nope
Cano has never taken pride in being a yankee. He can careless if he played for boston or whoever else. He even has an ortiz looking beard.
I really dont care to keep cano as long as we have a similar replacement, doesnt have to be 2B .. Ive never viewed cano as a clutch game changer.. and he has zero ability to put this team on his back. None.
Not just about whats goin on now but i really think that the yankees are being destroyed from within and its only gonna het worse. Someone shoulda been groomed to take over for George stein, now we have clueless morons destroying what he built. Time for mets and yanks to switch sides.
I remember suggesting the Yanks try to trade for Taveras early last year when hardly anybody knew who he was…..then the Futures game happened….he blew up in the 2nd half and now he’s probably the top bat in the minors…..
new
SI are Yankees-hating losers led by the chief Yankees-hating loser Tom Verducci.
The Yanks signed the best three free agent pitchers as a group in Kuroda, Pettitte, and Rivera and certainly got the best deal for them ($37M for 2013 only plus Mo’s incentives I hope he earns one or two of or all three.)
How come the mighty Swisher hasn’t signed with anyone yet? People realizing he’s a 32-year old two years away from being a full-time DH?
The Yanks should offer him two years at $13.3M per year or double their qualifying offer to him, take it or leave it. No one is giving Swisher, a 32-year old two years away from being a full-time DH three or four years at $14-16M per year or they’d have done so by now. Hunter got a deal much quicker than him and Hunter had a better 2012 than Swisher overall.
I agree Chad.
The Yankees should re-sign these –
Ichiro.
Ibanez.
The Yankees should sign these –
Youkilis.
Ross.
Get deals you four, Yankees.
Go Yankees!