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Report: Royals agree to swap Myers for Shields

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 09, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Doesn’t this always happen? You’re sitting at home, watching nonsense on television and trying to finalize some holiday travel plans. You decide to scroll through Twitter for a second only to discover that yet another massive trade has been completed, and this time it involves one of the biggest prospects in baseball and a familiar American League East foe.

The Royals have found pitching. The Rays have restocked with young talent.

Royals get: RHP James Shields, RHP Wade Davis and a player to be named later
Rays get: OF Wil Myers, RHP Jake Odorizzi, LHP Mike Montgomery and 3B Patrick Leonard

Myers is in the mix for top position player in the minors, while Odorizzi and Montgomery are also big name prospects, and Leonard showed considerable power in rookie ball this year.

Shields is the ace the Royals have been looking for, and he caps a winter in which Kansas City has signed Jeremy Guthrie and traded for Ervin Santana. If they put Davis in their rotation as well, they’ll have four new starters.

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139 Responses to “Report: Royals agree to swap Myers for Shields”

  1. Jerkface December 9th, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS

    #yankees hoping to wrap up an ichiro deal soon. @Ken_Rosenthal had said nyy was “all over” suzuki. http://cbsprt.co/UqdkXY

    Rays get Wil Myers and 3 good prospects. Yankees prepare to re-sign Ichiro

  2. Jerkface December 9th, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    @JimBowdenESPNxm

    To trade Will Myers and Jake Odorizzi .Royals had to get Price or Moore in deal…Shields not enough because of Age, salary and service time

  3. Jerkface December 9th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    I will say this, Ichiro is old and potentially unhelpful, but he is and will always be one of my favorite players so getting a chance to see him on the Yankees for a full year is fine by me. I hope he is truly re-vitalized. If anyone could be it is a Hall of Famer like him.

  4. ron December 9th, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    It only takes one team.

    This is why the yankees should of traded cano,and granderson for a nice package,then signed melky,and hamilton.
    5/125 should get hamilton.

    You replace the offense,and stock up on prospects.

  5. Captain Clutch December 9th, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    This trade is really stupid for the Royals. They only have Shields for 2 years and their rotation isn’t good enough to go anywhere next year. After Shields they have Guthrie, Santana and Bruce Chen. They will probably finish in 3rd place and then they only have Shields for one more year. They had to get Price or someone like that for that package.

  6. Nick in SF December 9th, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    Impending Japan revenue means they’ll enjoy the Wealth Effect and spend more, right? Right?

  7. Captain Clutch December 9th, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    I am happy that Ichiro is probably coming back but this team desperately needs some power. I don’t like an outfield of him and Gardner. If Youk signs and then Ichiro I wonder if Hal is done spending $. Obviously Cashman will still go dumpster diving but I mean is a real upgrade out of the question.

  8. G. Love December 9th, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    I actually think it’s a great deal for KC. They have a real MLB rotation for the first time in a very long time. Their fans have been waiting for a real team forever.

    As for the Rays, I think they take a step back. We’ve seen what happens here when you take away rotation depth. Everyone assumes the next guy in will fill the void, but it’s not always that effortless. That being said, the Rays are a terribly smart team that knows how to deal off guys they don’t see a future for in exchange for guys they do.

    I would kill to have their GM be the Yankees GM. I only imagine with an actual payroll, Friedman would be even better than what he’s shown. Year after year they compete for a fraction of the cost. He’s not afraid to trade sacred cows or let them walk. Just a smart baseball guy who can make an even trade.

  9. Jerkface December 9th, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    They have a real MLB rotation for the first time in a very long time. Their fans have been waiting for a real team forever.

    Their rotation is James Shields (overrated), Guthrie (5 ERA last year), Santana (5 ERA last year), Chen (5 era last year), and Luke Hoechevar (5 ERA last year)

    Big league rotation me thinks not quite. They gave up a guy who undoubtedly could have helped them next year and 3 other pieces for a reliever (1 of their 3 extra pieces could probably be a reliever next year, like Odirizzi) & James Shields. They are cashing in a year too early for a run, and on a guy that doesn’t help them enough.

  10. G. Love December 9th, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    Signing Ichiro is a step in the right direction. But trying to sell Ichiro, Youkilis to us as an improved team is laughable if that’s the plan. It’s not 2007.

    But we’re going to need any bats we can get because the wait for Cano, Grandy or Tex to HR plan or bust is going to bust more than reward this offense.

    I keep going back and forth on signing Youkilis and I think I’ve come to terms that we’re now beggars who can’t be choosers. That’s what this front office has reduced the team to. If he comes, at least the guy plays hard. I still would’ve pulled the offer by now. It’s embarrassing that this is getting dragged out when the report of the offer was days ago now. The Yankees don’t care about that though – they just care about him taking a 1 year deal. He can make them wait till January 31st for all they care if he signs for a year only.

  11. umbrelladoc December 9th, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    Clutch – Not a supporter of getting Hamilton, but if you can get a reasonable length deal on him, your OF is Ichiro, Gardner, Hamilton. This would allow you to trade Granderson AND Cano. Granderson is obvious, and the idea is if you have Hamilton on a multiyear deal – you aren’t going to sign Cano anyway. The notion would be Hamilton for 3 or 4 years in 2014 is a better bet than Cano for the 8 years that he wants. One year of Granderson and Cano – could we fill the need at catcher, right handed OF and 2B with younger players in return?

  12. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    How much are they overpaying for one year of Ichiro?

  13. G. Love December 10th, 2012 at 12:04 am

    Jerkface,

    What were Guthrie’s stats once he was traded from Colorado? They were quite good.

    That’s a real rotation. Shields beats many good teams year in year out and they get 2 years of him for 6 years of Myers. That may not work out, but not all prospects work out either. Delmon Young was supposed to be the next Hank Aaron and we’ve seen how that turned out.

    With Shields, Davis who many think should have been starting in TB, Guthrie, Chen, Santana, the Royals have real MLB pitchers in their rotation and not middle relievers posing as starters. You have to give something up to get that. I think they did well in the trade.

    If Myers busts or is just merely average and Shields and Davis pitch 400 innings each season the next 2 years together there’s tremendous value in that. You also don’t know if Shields loves KC and they show him the money. A lot of people love playing there and I think they’re tired of being a 2nd tier organization. They needed a #1 or as close as they could get to one which is Shields.

  14. Barry December 10th, 2012 at 12:05 am

    According to the Cleveland press department, Reynolds will be taking over 1st not 3rd base.

  15. Captain Clutch December 10th, 2012 at 12:06 am

    I definitely think that Cashman would trade Granderson if he can get something decent back for him. They aren’t going to sign him to a long term deal so it makes sense to listen to what they can get instead of losing him for just a draft pick. I would like to believe that Cashman is working on trades before he signs free agents. Well it’s either believe that or just think that he is doing nothing right now.

  16. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 12:07 am

    Myers AND Odorizzi is a lot to give up for a guy like Shields.. I would have thought that could be a good start in getting Price. Not to mention that Montgomry will probably turn into an ace now that he’s in Tampa. This is a scary trade for the future in the AL East. Myers has the potential to be that big bat Tampa has long needed to pay with Longoria. Yanks need to pray every night that these A ball Tampa kids turn into something special.

  17. jmills December 10th, 2012 at 12:08 am

    Wow! This is potentially very good for my Jays, at least over the next 2 seasons and maybe more!!!

  18. jmills December 10th, 2012 at 12:09 am

    Tyler, hockey is dead my friend.

  19. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 12:10 am

    Royals fans are dying over this trade; they can’t believe Myers has been dealt. I’d be angry too. Great deal by Friedman actually.

  20. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 12:10 am

    That’s a real rotation. Shields beats many good teams year in year out and they get 2 years of him for 6 years of Myers. That may not work out, but not all prospects work out either. Delmon Young was supposed to be the next Hank Aaron and we’ve seen how that turned out.

    With Shields, Davis who many think should have been starting in TB,

    Guthrie has been trash for most of his career, he had 90 good innings in KC. The rest of the rotation is awful. The problem with this trade is that the Royals traded Wil Myers AND MORE for James Shields. You know what happened with Young right? The Rays went and traded him for Matt Garza, who got them to a WS. They are very shrewd traders, you have a problem if they are taking 3 of your top 10 prospects, the #2 prospect in baseball, and another guy for a reliever & James shields.

    Wade may be a starter on the Royals, but he has never been a very good one in the majors. Walks too many ,doesnt strike out enough. He was below average in the pitchers park that is tropicana. Getting him does not validate this deal.

    As I’ve said, young position players who are good do not get traded. They should have received Matt Moore or David Price for Myers, and not with all the other junk thrown in.

  21. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 12:11 am

    Wow! This is potentially very good for my Jays, at least over the next 2 seasons and maybe more!!!

    Its bad news for the Jays. The rays gave up a guy they can easily replace and got a guy who will be pounding AL east pitching in no time + more!

  22. pat December 10th, 2012 at 12:14 am

    DAVIDprice14

    Guys guys guys there’s been a huge misunderstanding…whenever we all wake up tomorrow Shields and WD40 will still be my teammates…????????

  23. jmills December 10th, 2012 at 12:14 am

    JF, when a trade is made,…you have to hope for the best for your team – so when this recent Rays deal was made, I think, ” how do I kake the best of it for me and my Jays ? “. :)

  24. jmills December 10th, 2012 at 12:15 am

    Sorry, ” make “

  25. sandi December 10th, 2012 at 12:21 am

    Shields is a good pitcher, but not an ace; really bad deal for KC.

  26. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 12:23 am

    Even video game dayton moore turns down this deal: http://i.imgur.com/yjzPK.jpg

    lol

  27. jacksquat December 10th, 2012 at 12:29 am

    Let me remind everyone that Jesus Montero was a top 5 prospect 3 years running and he hit .260/.298/.386 his first year in the majors. Now he can improve, but everyone should stop acting like Myers is a sure thing.

    And Wade Davis made 29 starts in both 2010 and 2011, he was just stuffed into the bullpen last year because the Rays had too much pitching. He’ll start for the Royals.

    Not saying I would make the trade as I’m not sure the Royals yet have enough to compete, but let’s be real with the writing here.

  28. UnKnown December 10th, 2012 at 12:33 am

    Ben Yoel ?@Ben_Yoel
    Kevin Youkilis signing with the #Yankees imminent.

    ————

    Take it for what that is worth.

    My question is Reynolds for say 7 or 8 mil is better then Youk for 12 isn’t it. I know Reynolds is a butcher at 3rd but still…

    And I think this trade by the Royals could be worse then NYY trade last year.

  29. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 12:34 am

    And Wade Davis made 29 starts in both 2010 and 2011, he was just stuffed into the bullpen last year because the Rays had too much pitching. He’ll start for the Royals.

    Yea he made starts in those years and was below average with terrible peripherals. He was stuffed in the bullpen because the Rays didnt want to start him. He was below average in a pitchers park. Makes you think.

  30. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 12:35 am

    Who is Ben Yoel?

  31. jacksquat December 10th, 2012 at 12:35 am

    Wade Davis is still better than what the Royals had.

  32. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 12:36 am

    And even if I were to agree with this trade value wise in a vacuum, it still doesn’t make sense for the royals, whose team isn’t that good nor obviously ready for contention to trade their best position player & more for a 2 year over 30s pitcher who will bolster a staff featuring guthrie, bruce chen, and luke hoechver

  33. UnKnown December 10th, 2012 at 12:37 am

    Ben Yoel
    @Ben_Yoel
    Social Media Coordinator @MLB, St. John’s Alumni, StLucieToFlushing.com co-creator, MetsMerized beat writer, Self-Proclaimed MLB expert. Views are my own.

    ————

    Yeah I know it’s a reach. Someone posted it over on RAB and I pulled it off of there.

    Probably need a more reliable source before buying the bouquet of flowers for Brady’s sister to give to her at the presser.

  34. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 12:38 am

    I think that may just be in response to the reynolds signing

  35. UnKnown December 10th, 2012 at 12:40 am

    “I think that may just be in response to the reynolds signing”

    Yeah you’re probably right.

  36. Nick in SF December 10th, 2012 at 12:42 am

    “Yoel” sounds like the collective scream of Yankee fans if this actually happen.

  37. jacksquat December 10th, 2012 at 12:46 am

    If the Rays are going to go for it, they should go all in and trade for Dickey.

  38. Patrick December 10th, 2012 at 12:48 am

    That trade is highway robbery for the Rays.

    Cool we are signing Ichiro though…

  39. Drivenbyjeter2 December 10th, 2012 at 1:03 am

    Pretty cool! I went to high school with Patrick Leonard….heck of a prospect. Can REALLY smack the ball.

  40. Duh Innings II December 10th, 2012 at 2:29 am

    The Rays just sealed a battle for last place with Boston as no way they will come anywhere close to their 2008 on run in 2013.

    You have Shields, an ace on most teams who’d be the Rays’ ace if Price wasn’t that, under control for two more years and you trade him??? STUUUPID.

    If I’m Price I’m steaming, if I’m Longoria I’m really steaming, and if I’m a Rays fan, I’m calling for the team to move to Miami (after the contraction of the Marlins) so I don’t have to stomach them in my area any more and so Tropicana Field could be converted into an arena for a new NBA team.

    Yankees
    Blue Jays
    Orioles
    Rays or Red Sox in fourth place, loser finishes last

  41. fuster December 10th, 2012 at 2:32 am

    Royals are nuts to make this trade….. or at least very very desperate

  42. sammiejohnson December 10th, 2012 at 2:45 am

    No! DUH (well named) just told us this is a BAD trade for…… The Rays?

    I understand that there is a TOS and you are not allowed to call another poster an IDIOT! So I of course, will not.

  43. jacksquat December 10th, 2012 at 2:45 am

    Price: 2.56
    Hellickson: 3.10
    Moore: 3.81
    Niemann
    Cobb/Archer

    Still a very good rotation. Better than the Yankees.

  44. randy l. December 10th, 2012 at 3:22 am

    last april at pawtucket:

    “watch archer tonight. we’re having him throw all fastballs to learn to command it. he’s going to replace shields next year in the rotation.”

    some teams have a plan. they execute it, and they do it.

    nice to see.

  45. BoJo December 10th, 2012 at 3:32 am

    I can definitely foresee the Royals trading Shields to a contender in July 2014 for prospects…I have not been too impressed with their GM, and this doesn’t help his status.

  46. jacksquat December 10th, 2012 at 3:55 am

    Vs rhp

    Jeter ss
    Ichiro rf
    Cano 2b
    Tex 1b
    Granderson lf
    Youkilis 3b
    Pierzynski c
    Ibanez dh
    Gardner cf

    Vs lhp

    Jeter dh
    Ichiro rf
    Tex 1b
    Cano 2b
    Youkilis 3b
    Granderson lf
    Shoppach c
    Nunez ss
    Gardner cf

    Pick up a rh of bat.

    I guess I could live with that.

  47. blake December 10th, 2012 at 6:32 am

    So while I was sleeping Andrew Friedman continued to show why he’s probably the best in the business…..

    He turns a guy he’s gonna lose in a couple of years into one of the best prospects in baseball and even more useful pieces.

    I don’t like the deal for the Royals because its not a long term fix for their rotation…… But it does make them more competitive short term and perhaps Dayton Moore was feeling the need to win some guys to save his job?

    I think the question no becomes:…..what doesnTexas do to add a pitcher …..Dickey?

  48. blake December 10th, 2012 at 6:45 am

    I think this was an “I need to try to win some games to save my job move by Moore”

    It really just makes no sense for what they are trying to do long term……

    I think D Price will feel better when the Rays actually can score him a few runs next year …..

  49. blake December 10th, 2012 at 6:50 am

    Will the Rangers look to deal Olt for a pitcher ? Maybe Dickey?

  50. blake December 10th, 2012 at 6:55 am

    And I’m happy about the Ichiro news……now they just need to find him a platoon parter……sign Hamilton…..sign AJP…..and trade Granderson and the team will be set

  51. blake December 10th, 2012 at 7:25 am

    The Yankees should offer to double friedmans money to be GM then move Cash to president…..

  52. blake December 10th, 2012 at 7:28 am

    I’m clearly talking to myself this morning but with the 4 team deal dead most likely…..it’s time for Cash to call up Cleveland and Towers and try to make something happen……

  53. Benny Blanco December 10th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    Blake, I’m listening! :). I’m driving so I can’t respond in detail.

  54. blake December 10th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Yea dont blog and drive ;)

  55. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    Good morning Blake.

    The Royals trade brings begs the question “Should you trade top prospects for other things you might need ?”

    The Royals answered in the affirmative.

    They must have felt they could spare those guys.

    I have no idea how deep their Farm system is.

    IMO the Yankees should take note there and trade a few of their guys for a quality young OF’er.

    They have excess they can afford to lose.

    But I doubt they will.

    They prefer the bandaid route w extreme prospect hugging.

    And whoever said that Friedman is a smart baseball is partly correct.

    He’s definitely smart but his background was not in baseball before he landed with the Rays.

    Maybe that’s why his moves seem a little unconventional and wise.

    Something to be said for not being locked into a predisposed way of looking things.

    let’s steal him from the Rays.

    ;)

  56. Doreen December 10th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    Good morning -

    I hope Ichiro remains as energized as he was last season. I think it’s relatively speaking easier to turn it up during a pennant chase for the last two months than it would be to sustain for an entire season. I think Girardi has shown is very good at pacing his support players (last year was a challenge because of all the injuries, but he still got decent production out of the “Ibanezes” even though they ended up having to play more than initially conceived). So, I think this is an ideal situation for Ichiro. Ideal for the Yankees isn’t what it used to be for the time being, anyway.

    I guess I’ll have to get used to the idea of Youkilis. But I’ve still got my fingers crossed that will fall through. I don’t know what they’ll get from him, actually. He’s not as good as he was, probably because he’s not a fully healthy player anymore, and aside from not physically being able to stand watching his at-bats, that is what makes me hesitant about Youkilis (health). I got used to Randy Johnson; I guess I can deal with Youkilis (although Johnson was a once every five days thing; Youk will be a daily adjustment).

    The Yankees usually trade prospects for stars not the other way around (or prospects for prospects). So the trade the Rays/Royals made is not one the Yankees really ever go in on. There is a freedom in being teams like the Rays – they are good, have some really good players, excess pitching (it seems) that looks like it comes from an ever-flowing, every replenishing source – they are free to dispose of players very easily. No fan-base uproar, and despite being in the mix for the last 4 or 5 years, deep in the mix for that matter, the expectations for the team are nowhere near what they are for teams like NY and Boston. When you operate such that it’s win the division (and more) or die, it colors the decisions you make very differently from the mindset that winning the division (or more) would be a really cool thing.

    And it is wise to remember that a plan not working out is not the same as not having a plan. Plans get derailed. And it is also wise to remember, that the Yankees are not a team that other teams look to help, even if they get help in return – too many teams who don’t or won’t trade with the Yankees because it could possibly hurt their own position. Doesn’t leave a whole heck of a lot of trading partners. You know, the Rays are never going to trade one of their pitchers to the Yankees, just as the Jays wouldn’t even listen to the Yankees when Halladay was available.

    Fans are being challenged right now with whatever it is that’s going on – whether it be taking the optimistic point of view that the Yankees are getting set up to do better business in the future, or taking the pessimistic point of view that Hal simply wants to pocket more money, or the matter-of-fact point of view that they’re setting themselves up for a sale. They’ve had a spectacular run, in any event. It’s a lot easier to root for the team that looks like a shoe-in, rather than a team that is good, but will definitely need things to fall in place for them. But the anger I just don’t get.

    That’s my say for the day. ;)

  57. Doreen December 10th, 2012 at 7:40 am

    Change pessimistic point of view to “cynical” point of view on Hal pocketing the money.

  58. blake December 10th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    “I have no idea how deep their Farm system is.”

    Pretty deep in position players which is probably why they did it … I just don’t think they got enough years of Shields

  59. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    Not sure the audience will be able to stand 2 longish posts in a row Doreen.

    And good morning to you.

    :)

  60. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 7:45 am

    Blake-

    Well I guess they did.

    Yankees should take a lesson.

    Most prospects are designed to be used for other purposes than restocking the Farm system.

    Relying on prospects panning out is risky buisness.

    Especially if you are talking about multiple players and multiple positions.

    Keep the best. trade the rest.

  61. blake December 10th, 2012 at 7:45 am

    “Not sure the audience will be able to stand 2 longish posts in a row Doreen.”

    Normally not…but when two all stars write them it’s easier :)

  62. blake December 10th, 2012 at 7:46 am

    “Keep the best. trade the rest.

    Myers is the best though….he and Taveras are the best bats in the minors

  63. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    Meant to say that most prospects are destined for other purposes than restocking the ML club.

    Sorry. Duh.

    :(

  64. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 10th, 2012 at 7:49 am

    It will be interesting to see what Yankee fans do during Pukelis’ first at bat at Yankee Stadium.

  65. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    Blake-

    Apparently they thought they could part with him.

    Maybe he’s their Montero.

    A guy with great potential but who they just thought was expendable given their other needs.

    Again. I do not know their Farm so I apologize for that.

    I do think I have a sense of ours and IMO we have some talent we can afford to part with if we get quality in return.

    ;)

  66. Doreen December 10th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    MTU -

    I don’t think the Yankees are “extreme” prospect huggers. I think they tried to hold on to the best of their bunch (Betances, Banuelos, and the like) but things didn’t go as planned – stuff happens, ya know?

    Their position players are in the lower level of the minors, which gives you hope, but also there is risk – so few players in baseball that fulfill their potential, you hope one or two of what you try to grow ends up where you’d hoped. You try and pick and choose who you keep and who you trade.

    The Yankees specifically did not go after position players in the beginning of re-tooling their farm system. It was a pointed effort to stockpile pitching and catching, both for eventually promotion and potential trades. And this was applauded in years past by the likes of CB and SJ and other respected posters here – in fact I remember several posts where CB specifically said that the rest of baseball better beware, because the Yankees had stockpiled such talent and combined with their wallet would be even more of a force to contend with. I don’t have randy l’s skills of securing old posts (nor do I wish to), but I do recall this rather giddy feeling.

    Granted, the new CBA came out, injuries happened, the situation is not the same. But it was clear at the time that the Yankees looked to be set up quite well, and it was acknowledged here.

  67. blake December 10th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    If Texas won’t include Andrus and the Braves won’t include Simmons ( I still believe one of these teams ultimately will) for Upton …..then could Cashman help facilitate a trade involving Asdrubal and Upton.

    I think the Dbacks almost have to deal Upton now…. He’s not going to be happy and they just need to move him….Asdrubal isn’t what Towers wanted but he is a good SS and perhaps the Yankees could help add to the deal to make it work…..hard to say….and it might be that it’d hurt the Yanks do much that it may be counterproductive because they’d have to probably supply players to both Cleveland and the Dbacks……

    Bauer and nova might satisfy Cleveland to deal Asdrubal…..but then you have to figure out what you have to add to Asdrubal to get Towers to move Upton to NY…..

  68. blake December 10th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    “Again. I do not know their Farm so I apologize for that.”

    They still have Bubba Starling coming….still have Gordon etc ….Im sure they saw it as dealing from strength…..I just don’t think they got enough long term solutions for where they are as an organization.

    I love the deal for the rays…. Friedman is the best….

  69. Doreen December 10th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    MTU -

    I know, I probably get skipped over a lot! It’s okay. Sometimes I think when I choose to post, it’s more because I have to put into words what I’m thinking than anything else. As I’ve said in the past, I have conflicting feelings about many things Yankees.

  70. MaineYankee December 10th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    Doreen

    Making sense doesn’t fly here. (by the way I agree with alot of what you wrote.)

    If they sign Youk you will just have to go in the other room and fold laundry. :lol:

  71. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    always been a fan of Youk, I probably cheer him heartily. but then, I probably won’t at YS on opening day. but then I have idea where Youk will ultimately go to. on the side note, I find it funny that so many find him physically repulsive, I am glad this is not modeling.

  72. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 7:57 am

    Doreen-

    I agree that the Yankees are well stocked in certain areas, and also that they went for P and C as you say.

    My point is that they do not have the money to spend right now so to me trading is the way forward for now.

    I advocate taking some of our excess, both ML as well as MiLB, and using it the way the Royals did.

    To fill our other pressing needs.

    Trade quality for quality only.

    I hope Cashman has been working behind the scenes to do just that but so far there is little evidence.

    That’s also what I meant by too much prospect hugging. I think Cashman may have been to reluctant to part with guys to help get us what we want in the current mode.

    I have pointed out numerous times some of the guys I’d part with and IMO the list was reasonably impressive interms of being able to attract some attention.

  73. blake December 10th, 2012 at 7:57 am

    I think the guy that could make the deal for KC is Davis….who is signed to a pretty good contract and was being wasted in the Rays pen…..he looked pretty darn dominant at times last year and if he takes advantage of his new opportunity to start then that could really make the deal work for KC both short and long term……

  74. Doreen December 10th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Maine Yankees -

    I seriously hope I don’t have that much laundry! LOL

    The burning question on lower-level prospects is: which WILL BE the best?

    BTW – I am waiting for the media uproar that the Dodgers are trying to “buy” a championship. I guess we’ll have to wait and see if they win their division for that. I find it quite amusing in a way that for all the grief the Yankees got throughout the years, that the Dodgers have an historic payroll, the likes of which the Yankees did not ever reach, with more +++paid players on their roster than the Yankees ever had at once. What’s the deal with the Dodgers and luxury tax and bankruptcy?

  75. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    Blake-

    As long as Moore thought so. He knows his system way better than we do.

    ;)

  76. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    Youkilis coming to the Yankees is proof that people can be expected to get used to just about anything.

    I would have preferred Michael Young.

    Or even Neil Young for that matter.

    :(

  77. yankee21 December 10th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    Yuke still has a great eye and the ability to wear out a pitcher at the plate. The questions to me are his durability and his defense at 3B.

  78. blake December 10th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    There are rumblings brewing that Cano is going to leave after 2013…..

    At the very least Boras is gonna take him to free agency and pit the Yankees and Dodgers and 2 or 3 more big market teams against each other to drive his price sky high.

    If the Yankees aren’t committed to play in those waters then they need to seriously consider positioning themselves to live without Cano.

    That means either trading him or it means replacing his production before he leaves…..

    Since they won’t trade him (that would be a public admission that they won’t spend the money)….then they should be trying hard to find a Cano level bat at a cheaper price now either via trade or by signing Hamilton.

    They can’t just let Cano walk and either get nothing in return or have to scramble to replace him…..this is a decision you make now…..not next winter

  79. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    Must be one of those cynics becuase I believe Hal is getting ready to sell the team sooner rather than later.

    IMO the breadcrumbs on that trail have been there for a while.

    I just don’t think he shares his Father’s passion for winning and for baseball.

    From what I see he’s a green-eyshade mechanic.

    Go ahead Hal. Prove me wrong. I’ll gladly apologize.

    ;)

  80. Doreen December 10th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    MTU -

    As I said, the times they changed on us, pocketbook-wise. :(

    I don’t doubt that Cashman is working hard to try and do something. Problem is unless that “something” happens it’ll look like he wasn’t doing anything. Effort does not always equal desired outcome. Plus, there’s that whole – who wants to trade with the Yankees thing. And the best player they have (Cano) is a free agent next year, and so his trade value is somewhat diminished. (As is Granderson’s.)

    FTR, I hope they keep Cano, but with the Dodgers, specifically, being so willing to throw around their cash, and feeling less burned by giving ARod-length contracts, that the Yankees will really be up against it next season. They may want to keep Cano, but even as a Cano fan, I can see there will be a hard limit to how far the Yankees will go to keep him. And players go where the money and security are. I hope the Yankees can give more money per year, but fewer years (not by a ton, but maybe 6 as opposed to 8 or 10) and that Cano will stay. But I doubt it. And I’m not sure I could ultimately blame the Yankees for that. Players have a say in their own destiny.

  81. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    Blake-

    You are asking the Yankees to change their M.O. and team philosophy.

    How likely do you think that is ?

    ;)

  82. blake December 10th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    Id love to keep Cano ….but you have to operate within the budgets that ownership give you.

    I’m sure Friedman didnt want to trade Shields…..but he has to constantly turn less controlled assets into more controlled assets to keep up with teams that can spend more money.

    Now the Yanks aren’t the Rays….but similarly if they are serious about a budget then it does give them a parameter they have to work within and they similarly need to consider how best to do that.

    The yanks need to admit what they are now…. Pick a lane….either be the Yankees and sign who you want ….or be everyone else and start operating like it

  83. MaineYankee December 10th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    MTU

    “I advocate taking some of our excess, both ML as well as MiLB, and using it the way the Royals did”

    How the mighty have fallen being compared to the Royals.

    ——————————————————————————-

    “I hope Cashman has been working behind the scenes to do just that but so far there is little evidence”

    If he’s working behind the scenes why would you know until it was finished?
    —————————————————————————————————

    “That’s also what I meant by too much prospect hugging. I think Cashman may have been to reluctant to part with guys to help get us what we want in the current mode”

    He’s afraid of the fan backlash after the trade last year.

  84. RadioKev December 10th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    I think this is a fine deal for the Royals. They’re in a winnable division. That would mean a lot to their fan base.

  85. blake December 10th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    “You are asking the Yankees to change their M.O. and team philosophy.”

    I think they need to stop pretending they are who they were if they aren’t going to spend like they used to and I think they need to start positioning themselves to operate more efficiently …..that doesn’t mean let contracts expire and scramble

  86. Doreen December 10th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    MTU -

    No, according to my definition you are a “matter-of-fact” fan. Cynics think Hal is simply pocketing the money for money’s sake; not to sell the team. Matter of fact fans expect a sale. :)

    I agree he doesn’t share his father’s passion to own a baseball team, and I suspect that throughout the years he never understood the profligate spending that his father did. I don’t have a problem with trying to be more fiscally responsible, and to stop throwing good money after bad contracts – that something that is unsustainable in the long term (see ARod, thanks to Hank and probably Levine). But he fell into ownership, did not seek it, and I guess with his dad’s passing figured he owed it to him to try and make a go of it for himself, keep it in the family. The Yankees are a good investment, after all. I have to personally take a step back and see how things play out during the next couple of years.

    The Cano situation is a tough one. You know that by changing agents to Boras, Cano was saying he wants to be a free agent. He wants that mega paycheck. For the Yankees, the question on Cano is not DOLLARS but YEARS. That will be the deciding factor. They need to find out what Cano’s line in the sand is.

  87. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Doreen-

    I agree with most of what you said on Cano.

    I have no idea what the Yankees will do there.

    As far as trading. If you offer what another team needs in convincing fashion I believe they’ll trade with you w few exceptions.

    And you’re right, and I said it, there is now way of knowing for sure the things Cashman has been looking at. Evidence is scant though.

    I am still hoping that a major trade can be acomplished.

    We’ll see.

  88. RadioKev December 10th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    I’m still firmly in the “trade Cano” camp, but I guess that’s not happening.

  89. Doreen December 10th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    And hey – why do the Yankees have to take the heat if a PLAYER decides he wants to leave the team he came up for “greener” pastures? the Yankees NEVER get a hometown discount like the Rays got with Longoria, for instance, because the players are as bad as the fans, seeing the Yankees with unlimited financial resources and wanting a piece of that. Nothing wrong with it, it is just is what it is. Some of it is about security, but mostly, I think, it is a “prove to me how much you love me” thing.

  90. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    Good morning.

    I guess the Royals won’t find the need to trade Alex Gordon, now that they picked up Shields and Davis. Guess who had a better [lower] BAA vs lefty batters than David Price this past season?

    Righty Wade Davis lefties.161, righties .211; Price lefties .205, righties .232.

    Is the Rays outdield now Jennings in center flanked by Zobrist and Myers?

  91. blake December 10th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    My latest master plan:

    Sign Hamilton
    Sign Ichiro
    Trade Granderson to the Braves (Delgado + maybe Ahmed)
    Trade Nova for morse
    Sign Nakajima
    Sign AJP

    Best team in baseball heading into spring.

  92. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Morning Maine-

    Good to see you round.

    You made some good points there.

    Just because you fall off the tractor once doesn’t mean you give up.

    You still have a job to do and a field to plow.

    Notice the Farming analogy.

    ;)

  93. blake December 10th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    RadioKev says:
    December 10, 2012 at 8:16 am
    I’m still firmly in the “trade Cano” camp, but I guess that’s not happening.

    If they could get enough back and it was all played in a vacuum then sure…..but I don’t know if they could get enough back and also I just don’t think the Yankees would ever do it…..

    I can’t see them trading their best player and basically admitting that they won’t pay him the money in free agency…..it’s just not their style

  94. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Blake-

    I’m sending you on Vacation to a tropical paradise.

    All expenses paid.

    You need a rest. You’ve been working too hard.

    :)

  95. blake December 10th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    MTu,

    Thank you….Maui sounds nice :)

  96. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    Blake-

    Done !

    In a “pretend” sort of way.

    :)

  97. blake December 10th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    MTU,

    Lol…pretend…. Come on now

  98. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Blake-

    if you send me I request Borneo, Papua New guinea, Madagascar, or the Seychelles.

    I don’t like crowds.

    Thanks.

    :)

  99. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    If an earlier report in one of the NY tabloids was true, the Yankees have been quietly shopping Curtis Granderson since the first week in Novemeber, which means soon after they picked up his option.

    So far there either are no takers or the Yankees don’t have a deal they like.

    After last years numbers, other than the 43 homers, 29 of which were in YS, what are any other positives, statistic-wise, that another team would want?

    SB’s down.
    Doubles, triples down
    Strikeouts up
    Defense as a CF-getting worse?

  100. MaineYankee December 10th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    MTU

    Good morning.

    I never fell off a tractor. :lol:

    “I’m sending you on Vacation to a tropical paradise”

    You know Maine is “Vacation Land” don’t you?

    O wait, I missed the tropical part.

  101. 86w183 December 10th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    Morning folks!

    I like the deal for Kansas City. They add two starters for a minor leaguers and anytime you can do that you do it, regardless of how good that minor leaguer is.

    IF Ervin Santana pitches close to his best the Royals are better than the White Sox and can challenge the Tigers.

    Blake I like most of your moves, but I’m not giving up Nova for Morse. He’s already 30 and not much of a defender. If I could get him for Warren and/or Marshall sure… but Nova is too talented to sell so short.

  102. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Maine-

    Yeah. For Bullwinkle.

    :)

  103. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    blake, I am shocked you want to sign Hamilton.

  104. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    My latest master plan:

    Sign Hamilton
    Sign Ichiro
    Trade Granderson to the Braves (Delgado + maybe Ahmed)
    Trade Nova for morse
    Sign Nakajima
    Sign AJP

    Best team in baseball heading into spring
    ———————————
    Blake-

    If Hamilton stays in Texas or goes elsewhere, what is your Plan B? Inquiring minds want to know, before you go on vacation. :)

  105. brianlopez22 December 10th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Doreen –
    Cano has been paid 57 mm over the past 8 years t play for the Yankees. 48 over the past 4.
    Cano has never gotten his “pay day.” And if you worked for a company making a billion dollars a year, you wouldn’t want to hear, “Hey, we’re going to need you to give us a hometown discount.” Especially after you negotiated against yourselves to give ARod his ridiculous contract.

    Like it or not, ARod is screwing the Yankees in more ways than we can count.
    His opt out negotiation will keep haunting Hal and Hank.

  106. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Hal likes Hamilton.

    And Benjamin Franklin.

    And Thomas Jefferson.

    And……. The color Green.

    Oops. wait a minute that’s not what Blake meant.

    Sorry.

    :(

  107. MaineYankee December 10th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Yankee Trader

    If an earlier report in one of the NY tabloids was true, the Yankees have been quietly shopping Curtis Granderson since the first week in Novemeber, which means soon after they picked up his option.

    ——————————————————–

    If it was in a tabloid that doesn’t sound too quiet.

  108. blake December 10th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    MTU,

    If you don’t like crowds then i might can just send you to Yankees stadium around July :(

  109. blake December 10th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    “If Hamilton stays in Texas or goes elsewhere, what is your Plan B? Inquiring minds want to know, before you go on vacation. ”

    Run for the hills!

  110. Chip December 10th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    Reactions to a busy weekend:

    1. Strange how the Dodgers aren’t taking nearly as much grief for their wild spending as the Yankees did. I’m curious who they deal now that they have 7 starters.

    2. I won’t believe the Yankees are out on Hamilton until he signs somewhere else.

    3. The KC/TB trade – wow. I can’t even get the Royals to accept that deal on my playstation. The funny thing is how divisive this trade is turning out to be. On the one hand you have some reporters who look at the team that got the most established player as getting the better of the trade because who knows what Myers, Odorizzi, and Montgomery will be whereas Shields is “Big Game James”. On the other hand you have people who are stunned that the Royals would give up three top prospects for 2 years of a good but not great starter and a RH relief pitcher.

    I hate this trade for KC, I at least hope Andrew Friedman took Dayton Moore out for dinner and a movie before screwing him like this; that said – I might have felt very differently about this if the Royals were a player or two away from the playoffs. They’re not. Even with Shields their rotation is suspect with Santana, Guthrie, Chen and Hocheaver. I get what they’re trying to do, they look at the O’s from last year and think “why not us” but they could have signed Loshe or Anibel Sanchez, traded Francouer and played Myers and done just as much to improve their fortunes.

    The only way this makes sense is if they know something we don’t know about Myers.

    For the Rays, this is just outstanding. After seeing what Cain and now Greinke have gotten they knew they weren’t going to be able to keep Shields and sign Price to a long term deal; they accomplished that and got one of the best prospects in baseball to boot. In addition, they got two other extremely talented prospects who can contribute to their pitching depth.

  111. MaineYankee December 10th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    blake

    If you want Morse can I assume you didn’t have a problem with Swishers defense?

  112. blake December 10th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    “Blake I like most of your moves, but I’m not giving up Nova for Morse. He’s already 30 and not much of a defender. If I could get him for Warren and/or Marshall sure… but Nova is too talented to sell so short.”

    I replaced him with Delgado who I think has more upside….,it just depends on how you see nova….I still like him but see him as a back end guy because I’m just not sure he has enough command or deception to be more ….

  113. Chip December 10th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    blake December 10th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    “Blake I like most of your moves, but I’m not giving up Nova for Morse. He’s already 30 and not much of a defender. If I could get him for Warren and/or Marshall sure… but Nova is too talented to sell so short.”

    I replaced him with Delgado who I think has more upside….,it just depends on how you see nova….I still like him but see him as a back end guy because I’m just not sure he has enough command or deception to be more ….
    ————-

    Nova for Morse works for me.

  114. Doreen December 10th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    brianlopez22 -

    I get that. I really do.

    I guess (maybe because of the ARod contract, maybe baseball contracts in general) I am weary of guaranteed (too) long-term contracts based on past performance a prayer that the production will continue for at least a majority of the new contract going forward, with teams all but knowing that the last 3 to 4 years at least of a 7 to 10 year contract you’re not getting anything near value for your dollar.

    But those are the rules, such as they are, and if I’m an ML player, and a star player at that, I’d do the same.

    I think it’s the “guaranteed” part that kills me. The guys are making MILLIONS of dollars a YEAR. All they have to do is not retire, and they get their money.

  115. blake December 10th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    “If you want Morse can I assume you didn’t have a problem with Swishers defense”

    I didn’t have a huge problem with Swisher’s defense no….but Id want morse mainly to DH and platoon with Ichiro in RF….he’s a bad defender but he could take it in the small YS RF against lefties

  116. Chip December 10th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Only problem with Nova for Morse though is that with Haren in the fold, Nats have a full rotation (Stras, Gio, Haren, Zim, Detwiler) so not sure that they would deal their starting 1b (until LaRoche is signed) for a 6th starter.

  117. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Blake-

    You might be right. But maybe not.

    OS is not over yet.

  118. blake December 10th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    “1. Strange how the Dodgers aren’t taking nearly as much grief for their wild spending as the Yankees did. I’m curious who they deal now that they have 7 starters.”

    Cause they haven’t won anything yet

  119. blake December 10th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    “Only problem with Nova for Morse though is that with Haren in the fold, Nats have a full rotation (Stras, Gio, Haren, Zim, Detwiler) so not sure that they would deal their starting 1b (until LaRoche is signed) for a 6th starter.”

    That’s true but Haren is an injury risk and is only signed for a year….. nova is a long term option…..

  120. Chip December 10th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    I still want the Yankees to deal with the D’backs for Johnson and Kubel. Maybe Nunez and Warren going the other way.

    ‘Zona can put Nunez at SS and Chavez and Pennington at 3b.

  121. blake December 10th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Morse doesn’t have much of a career platoon split….he hits righties and lefties both at an .ops over .800 so he could be the full time DH until Arod gets back (if Arod gets back) and then platoon in the outfield…..

  122. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    From NoMaas.org earlier this morning. It starts off by talking about the 2008 offseason and how deals made the difference in bringing home a WS in 2009.

    Then…………………….

    Now fast forward, and compare all this to the Yankees current offseason to date:

    - The front office signs no new players, but is able to retain three players — with an average age of 40 years old — because they only want to play with the Yankees and are willing to take discounts from their market value.

    - They make it clear they have no interest in retaining perennial 4-win player Nick Swisher, even if he’s going to sign for a reasonable price.

    -The Yankees watch the Red Sox sign David Ross at a bargain price, and then don’t even make Russell Martin an offer as he goes to Pittsburgh for a very reasonable 2 years/$17 million. Then Mike Napoli also signs with Boston.

    - After ARod is forced to have hip surgery, the Yankees are left with no rightfielder, no catcher, and no third baseman. But they pass on matching 1 year / $3 million for Eric Chavez.

    - Josh Hamilton and Zach Greinke — a top 5 hitter and top 5 pitcher, respectively — are available as free agents. The Yankees don’t consider even making an offer to either.

    Comparing these offseasons is like looking at those before and after pictures of meth addicts.

    There is one possible silver lining to this for Yankee fans. While the current modus operandi makes no baseball sense, it does make business sense for an ownership that is looking to sell a baseball team. There are not going to be any surprise Josh Hamilton announcements this offseason. Yet, maybe someday soon Yankee fans can wake up to the headline that they are free of the Hank, Hal, and Randy triumvirate.

  123. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    I’m w 86 on Nova.

    Not ready to give him up for a guy like Morse.

  124. randy l. December 10th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    “So while I was sleeping Andrew Friedman continued to show why he’s probably the best in the business…..”

    blake-

    i had you covered at three in the morning.of course that’s why i just woke up now :)

    one thing that separates the rays from the yankees is that the post i made at three.

    i dropped in on neil a. in pawtucket on my way from maine to cape cod and after talking a bit, he told me straight out to watch the kid archer pitching the first game of the double header closely because they were grooming him to replace shields next year. he also said that they were trying to teach him to command his fastball and that he’d be throwing mostly fastballs.

    what was interesting is the other team knew this too and were looking fastball in slider counts. neil said he had a plus slider and that he had to learn to pitch without it and that they had been doing it for three starts or so and would continue until he got command of the fastball.

    he had a 6 ish era at the time and while throwing 95 he had trouble putting away hitters in pitchers counts with two strikes. but it was interesting to watch that night and through the summer. archer got better in the minors made some important starts in the majors and is now ready to step in and replace shields as planned.

    and oh they got that kid from KC you raved about in the process. i looked at his minor league stats. it looks like he could single handedly solve the yankees present problems. he was a catcher for a few years, then played every outfield position and along the way added third base to his game.
    and had a .900 OPS in the process.

    that’s the rays.
    they have plans and they actually work the plan.
    the yankees have plans but something seems to happen along the way.

  125. 86w183 December 10th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Well there’s always been a double standard in the media as it relates to Yankees spending. It’s almost comical though that no one that I’ve seen on a national basis has said word one about the Dodgers’ buying binge.

    Myers might be great, but the Rays are a worse team today than they were yesterday.

  126. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Chip-

    If the DBacks trade both Johnson[15 homers] and Kubel[30] they are losing power and not getting nearly enough back in Nunez and Warren.

  127. ron December 10th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    The yankees are making a devestating mistake by not trading cano,and granderson.
    Keeping both,and hughes will be impossible,and why not get prospects now that are almost ready instead of one pick,years away?
    The offense could of been replaced with hamilton,who is a better offensive player than cano,and hamilton is going to cost less.
    I’d offer hamilton 4/100,or 5/115,but only 5 if needed.

    Imo,we should of signed melky.
    With trading cano,and granderson,i’d wan’t a 3b,and maybe 2 pitching prospects since we are hurting in that prospect area.
    Get the payroll down for 2014,then spend while at the same time,replacing the lost production from cano,and granderson,and collecting 3 top prospects.

    Cano is going to cost a ton of money,and granderson will be gone,so in one short year,and probably no ws in 2013,we will be saying,right here on this blog that we should of traded both.

    Losing cano,but replacing him with hamilton,or a future free agent,but gaining top prospects is the best route for the yankees,imo.
    How can it not be?

    An outfield of melky,gardner,hamilton,is fine with me.

  128. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Well said NoMaas.

    I would still like someone to tell me how they plan on adding a dozen or more players next year to the 25 man roster while on Hal’s budget. Oh please, oh please can we do a two year contract then?

    If this is a plan, it is a bad one.

  129. BIG AL December 10th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Say what you want about the KC trade, but, at least they’re trying to get better, and not dumpster diving like the Yankees.

    Is it not strange to folks that most teams have a regular OF, while the Yankees are talking about needing rotating corner OF’s because none are very good?

    Lets face it, Cashman and Hal are only interesred in saving money, thus a lower caliber team on the field. All the stupid Yankees fans should just sign on for what we get, and dream of what could have been.

    Please, please Hal …………. Sell the team, the Yankees don’t mean anything to you but $$$$, and you can fill your account with tons of it when you finish selling YES, and the the Yankees team itself.

    It really hurts to see what has, and will become of our team under this FO.

  130. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    What will the average age of the starting nine next year? 36? 38?

    That is the long term plan.

  131. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    “the yankees have plans but something seems to happen along the way.”

    I’m afraid they have been waylayed by robber barons in a reverse Robin Hood scenario.

    This is not our Father’s Sherwood Forest.

    :(

  132. blake December 10th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Randy,

    They have a process that works…..the develop pitching but they also know when to boldly turn players in to more players…..if they ever get a new stadium and can actually spend some money then look out

  133. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Chip I agree with your take on the KC trade. Pretty sure Andrew bought Moore dinner though before shagging him royally.

  134. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Otro threado —–>

  135. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    The Rays are probably worse right now:

    They lost their leader in homers and RBI’s-Upton
    They lost their leader in BA-Keppinger

    They lost Shields and Davis, and Davis is probably going to better going forward for the Royals.

    Their rotation is still good with Price, Moore from the left side and righties Hellickson, Niemann, Cobb and Archer.

    Then they still have the best GM, group of statistical advisors, John Maddon, and “The Shift”

  136. MaineYankee December 10th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    blake

    I know you like Morse’s bat and I wasn’t saying I had a problem with Swisher in RF.

    I thought Swisher was more than adequate in RF.

    It seems like more teams than not are using the DH spot to rotate players.

    Using the DH for 1 player puts you in the spot the RS had when in order to keep Ortiz in the lineup they had to put Gonzales in RF.

  137. rl1856 December 10th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    I am sure as hell not happy with the way this offseason is playing out. But Hamilton is not the answer. He is a fragile player who should not be forced to face the temptations and pressure of NYC. This city has broken better men than him. The Yankees are wise to stay away.

    To Youklis is a sign of desperation. Johny Damon he is not. Fading defense, fading offense, becoming fragile…just what we don’t need.

    Hope they can keep Cano.

  138. comnsnse December 10th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Myers is making a jump from 2A,i.e no sure thing immediately. Odorizzi was marginal on KC’s prospect list. Montgomery is a prospect only,and Leonard is strickly a stretch.

    KC now has a credible staff with Shields,Davis and Santana and retains their best pitching prospects some of whom are coming off injuries but still highly touted.

    They also have Bubba Starling who may turn out to be a better prospect than Myers with better defense! Royals have languished too long and must compete now or GM loses his job,for him unemployment is an issue.

    Unlike for all arm chair GM’s here!

  139. comnsnse December 10th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    On paper the Yanks are in trouble. Aging and injured Arod and Jeter, Tex and Granderson below expectations. Gardner unproven over a full season,no serious catching solution and no Rf on the roster.

    Add in an aging and/or unproven starting staff a middle relief and bullpen dependent on a 42 yr. old, the scenario is spelled “disaster”.

    When factoring in their best prospects(on paper) are at least two years away,the bottom line is,they are the most overpaid underachievers in the league. Especially in their administrative people headed by Cashman,who without the Yankee dollars would be a laughing stock of the league.

    Unless they plan to spend big time in the next off season after Cano gets his millions,they will be farther down the road to oblivion.

    Why, a lack of meaningful contributions from the farm, draft mistakes,lousy international results,complacency and a lack of vision by an incompetent GM!

    And one decent trade from this loser Cashman,Swisher!

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