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The Yankees and Ichiro: The unlikely match

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 10, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I remember sitting in a Seattle cab making my way to Safeco Field and using my phone to update Twitter just in case. That’s when news of the Ichiro Suzuki trade broke. And when I got to the stadium a few minutes later, the rest of the beat was either just getting the news or would find out within a few seconds. It was completely unexpected, the scene was truly bizarre, and Ichrio’s numbers were so bad it was unclear whether he was an actual upgrade over Dewayne Wise.

Ichiro held a press conference, switched to the visiting clubhouse, played so-so baseball for a few weeks and suddenly became the Ichiro of old. He was popular in the clubhouse, moved from the bottom of the order to the top, and hit .322/.340/.454 during his time in pinstripes.

Now the Yankees are said to be “all over” Ichiro as their solution in right field.

There is considerable risk here. As good as he was down the stretch, Ichiro was pretty bad for the previous year and a half. He’s 39 years old with a game that’s build largely on diminishing speed. He would give the Yankees an entirely left-handed outfield, which means they’ll still need some sort of right-handed fourth outfielder.

But less than four months after the stunning mid-season trade, it’s amazing how much more it all makes sense today.

The Yankees are looking for short-term solutions. The big bats on the market seem out of their price range. They now have to split their remaining payroll between a right fielder and a third baseman (and a designated hitter and maybe a catcher). Ichiro’s time in New York was enough to suggest he still has something left, maybe enough to be an everyday player for another year. Ichiro plus a right-handed bat — maybe Cody Ross, maybe Scott Hairston, maybe someone else – could be the best solution outside of Josh Hamilton or Nick Swisher.

An Ichiro deal certainly would be less stunning today than it was on that day in mid-July.

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289 Responses to “The Yankees and Ichiro: The unlikely match”

  1. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Well there goes my Michael Saunders/Garret Jones hypo outfield combo of some sorts. Back to the imaginary drawing board.

  2. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    I could never turn down that impish, smiling face, but I hope the Yankees have more in store for us than Ichiro.

  3. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    “If George were still alive, a few things would be done by now and Hamilton would be sharing the outfield with Ichiro”
    ===========================================
    and jason bay

  4. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    If anybody could have a renaissance year at age 39, I’d put Ichiro near the top of the list but it is sure dangerous to think of him as the RF solution for next year.

  5. MoRings42 December 10th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    George was alive when Jason Bay could have been had and he didn’t bring him here. So no.

  6. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    …and pujols would be going into the 2nd year of his 14 year yankee contract.

  7. G. Love December 10th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    I know Ichiro has diminishing speed, but I’d be lying to you if I didn’t say the guy looked faster than most of baseball still last season.

    With a vacant OF spot & DH right now, he’s a necessity. That said, the Yankees can’t sell us Youk & Ichiro and call it an off season. Gardner hasn’t made it through a season in years now. We have no RH hitting OF. The team needs more than cosmetic placeholders to satisfy the back page. They need actual roster construction and with each good player who comes off the board the chances for that diminish.

    I honestly don’t understand how the Yankees can get away with this “we only focus on one need at a time” nonsense. This myopic form of building a team is ridiculous for a team with the most money and the ability to negotiate with several people at the same time.

  8. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Like getting Ichiro back….now find a good platoon partner for him…

  9. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    G. Love-

    Just eat your gruel and smile.

    ;)

  10. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Like getting Ichiro back….now find a good platoon partner for him…

    ———–

    Yeah, we need another OFer. I thought Hariston but I’m not sure how they convince him to take a one year pact.

  11. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Eat your gruel….buy your YES package and your season tickets and smile like a supporting Yankee fan

  12. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Trade for Morse….he hits lefties and righties and could DH and platoon with Ichiro

  13. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    for a hairston type contract, two or even three years shouldn’t compromise “the plan”

    i think something is up in the OF that is not in evidence….

  14. G. Love December 10th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    I’m going to put together a business plan/presentation and pitch the Yankees on letting me operate a Gruel Stand in the Great Hall next season where I can ladle giant slops of hot gruel into Yankee fans hands as they enter the building.

  15. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Heard there’s a new Rock band out there.

    They’re called the “Placeholders and Bandaids”.

    Instead of “Guns and Roses”.

    They’re under exclusive contract to the Yankees.

    :)

  16. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    for a hairston type contract, two or even three years shouldn’t compromise “the plan”

    They wouldn’t commit 4 million to 2014, and Hairston will probably make twice that. They wouldn’t commit Martin’s 8.5 million to 2014.

  17. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    “I’m going to put together a business plan/presentation and pitch the Yankees on letting me operate a Gruel Stand in the Great Hall next season where I can ladle giant slops of hot gruel into Yankee fans hands as they enter the building.”

    LOL….maybe serve it with crackers cut in the shape of Stewies face

  18. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    A lot depends on whether the Yanks are truly in on Hamilton. IF, they are, I would pass on both Ichiro and Youk, and figure That $$$ goes toward a 5yr offer to Hamilton. It’s gonna take a 5yr deal to get Hamilton in the Bronx. No way do I see Youk as being twice the player that Reynolds is, (12 Mill vs 6 Mill Reynolds got from Cleveland), so if I’m the Yanks and I truly believe I gotta shot at Hamilton, I pull the Youk offer OFF the table, and direct that $$$ in Hamilton’s direction. Nunez would be my 3B, and getting Hamilton would mean Not needing Ichiro in RF.

  19. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    i think something is up in the OF that is not in evidence….
    ————————————————————————-

    I think so to but all this budget talk and Cashman not being able to make offers in Nashville without ownership approval makes me think that this could be all that’s going on.. the team is being run completely different than it used to be.

  20. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    i prefer cheese grits. with some hot sauce and a swirl of honey…

  21. tomingeorgia December 10th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    austin,
    You and I have seen with the Yankees just about everything, good or bad, that can befall a baseball team. We haven’t slit our throats. What some care to consider as failure in the moment may, in fact, be a boon in years to come. We’ve had terrible stretches, lasting as long as ten years. The problem is that being in the playoffs for so many years has foreshortened perspective in a way that is unique to the Yankee fan.

    The Yankees’ history, to many of them, began when Jeter, Posada, Pettite, Williams and Mo first appeared, which was an unbelievable confluence of the stars. But you and I remember when our stars consisted of the likes of Horace Clark, Steve Balboni and Roy White, playing to empty stadiums. That’s why I might be seen by some as unconcerned, but I’m not. I, too, want to see the team improved, and I don’t think Cashman is quite through yet. They’re going to do what they’s going to do, so I continue to hope for the best.

  22. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    ” Nunez would be my 3B”

    Hal isn’t going to pay for the hard hats and extra catching gear that fans sitting behind 1B would have to wear during games

  23. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    this approval/authority thing is bs imo. but even if it were true that they went to nashville with no plans to spend any money, that would make it even more likely they are working on trades.

  24. chicken little December 10th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    I personally think Hal, Hank, Randy and Cash each have no idea what they want to do. Keep the budget, don’t keep the budget, sign a big name, sign scraps, trade for a big name, hold pat. I bet every minute they change course. End result is it seems there is a massive fail on their part to gauge the market, gauge the fans, etc …

  25. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    I don’t see how a 10 year stretch of losering can be considered a boon.

  26. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    @RaysJoeMaddon: HATE..HATE to lose James and Wade. But this who we are. This is how we have to operate. Excited about the guys we are getting.

  27. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Hamilton is like UFO’s, Unicorns, or the Yeti.

    A fantasy.

    I’ll believe it when I see it.

  28. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    “I’m going to put together a business plan/presentation and pitch the Yankees on letting me operate a Gruel Stand in the Great Hall next season where I can ladle giant slops of hot gruel into Yankee fans hands as they enter the building.”

    LOL….maybe serve it with crackers cut in the shape of Stewies face

    ———————

    Did we get any word on how much it would cost to let one of JLo’s ass cheeks man the DH spot?? I think blake had a pretty good logistical plan in place there..

  29. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    nunez would be my 3b, too, but it looks like that’s not going to happen…

  30. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    I love Ichiro, but how are you “all over” Ichiro. He wants to come back. He will be a nice piece in a platoon. But… we need some youth in this lineup. I don’t want to see another situation where we have an Ibanez be forced to be a regular b/c we had no plan/depth/youth on the bench, and just assumed everyone who we sign regardless of age would stay miraculously healthy. Need to get younger, Yanks.

  31. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    nunez would be my 3b, too, but it looks like that’s not going to happen…

    The Yankees think he isn’t a 3B, and they seem to know best? :twisted:

  32. Patrick December 10th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    The Yankees think he isn’t a 3B, and they seem to know best?

    owned

  33. NYY_Girl_Penny December 10th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Ichiro lead the team in SB’s last year.

    Problem with Gardner as fast as he is, he is a terrible base stealer with all of his bad jumps. He hasn’t yet gotten a feel for his timing. If he had that, the guy would be ridiculous on the bases. I love watching him play anyway.

  34. G. Love December 10th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    chicken little,

    Stop making sense! You’ve nailed the Yankee “plan”. You must be an insider.

  35. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    “Did we get any word on how much it would cost to let one of JLo’s ass cheeks man the DH spot?? I think blake had a pretty good logistical plan in place there..”

    I think J Lo’s assets wanted a 3 year deal :(

  36. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    @RaysJoeMaddon: HATE..HATE to lose James and Wade. But this who we are. This is how we have to operate. Excited about the guys we are getting.
    _____
    What is excitement? I’d love to watch a young player grow into my lineup even with the bumps in the road.

  37. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    You take Youk’s $12 Mill, and say $5 or $6 Mill for Ichiro in 2013, your getting close to Hamilton’s roughly $23 Mill 2013 salary. You also figure on Not signing Cano, and the scenario looks even better.

  38. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    I love Ichiro, but how are you “all over” Ichiro. He wants to come back.

    ——————

    The Yankees have a plan, fem, it’s just not one you like.. right? ;)

    Sorta like when I was told they did their due diligence with their pitching lol… really?! Resigning Kuroda and Andy apparently took some critical thinking exercises.

    I hope YS is right and there is a trade in the works.. preferably one that doesn’t kill our farm, but I just dunno what to expect.

  39. jacksquat December 10th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Wil Myers
    PCL 2012

    OPS: 23rd
    BA: 60th

    http://www.baseball-reference......d=0dccdf2c

    He was one or two years younger than most of the guys that hit better, but that should give you some perspective.

  40. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    i still hold out the hope that youk goes away and the yankees feel forced to change plans and go with nunez at third. i like his bat, his speed and his relative youth, and i think he could minimize his defensive issues.

    it would help if they had a good gloveman behind him who could also play short.

    it could still happen but all this crying out for them to spend money works against that.

  41. Patrick December 10th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    You take Youk’s $12 Mill, and say $5 or $6 Mill for Ichiro in 2013, your getting close to Hamilton’s roughly $23 Mill 2013 salary. You also figure on Not signing Cano, and the scenario looks even better.

    Hamilton’s 2013 salary isn’t really the issue, the Yankees are more concerned with what he would make in 2014 and beyond. Not to mention the Yankees need a catcher, 3B, DH and RF; not just a RF.

  42. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    I have been saying all along that I could see us making a big trade. That said, I am happy to punt 2013 if it makes us stronger in the long term.

  43. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    this approval/authority thing is bs imo. but even if it were true that they went to nashville with no plans to spend any money, that would make it even more likely they are working on trades.
    ———————————————————————-

    Normally I would agree 100% especially considering some of the stealthy signings the Yanks made in the past. I just don’t know if anything is cooking because of this ownership/budget stuff. I think that stuff is very real and it’s limiting what they are going to do. They also don’t have the pieces for a guy like Upton compared to what Texas can offer or they’d have to give up the whole system which would also hurt long-term.

  44. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Listen, the last team I wanna be are the Devil Rays. Mostly, because I actually like to win sh*t.

    In fact, I never understood how people could get addicted to gambling until I realized how much I love to win sh*t. Doesn’t even need to be good sh*t, but I will LOVE to win it.

  45. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    i still hold out the hope that youk goes away and the yankees feel forced to change plans and go with nunez at third. i like his bat, his speed and his relative youth, and i think he could minimize his defensive issues.

    ——————

    Do you think this is plan C? I’ve been trying to figure out what the plan will be if Youk doesn’t sign but no one seems to have any idea…

    Thoughts?

  46. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    He also has a career .303 .395 .522 .917 line in the minors, and OPS’d 1.1 at AA. And he can play the OF better than Nick Swisher.

  47. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    In fact, I never understood how people could get addicted to gambling until I realized how much I love to win sh*t. Doesn’t even need to be good sh*t, but I will LOVE to win it.
    —————————————————————————

    If this isn’t the Team Greedy mission statement/motto than I don’t know what is.

  48. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    I thought KC got skinned in that deal. Giving up your best offensive Busher and top 2 Busher Chuckers is dumb, unless you get Price included in the TB package. David Glass continues running the Royals like a Walmart Super Center. “ALWAYS low prices, always”

  49. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    yankeefeminista says:
    December 10, 2012 at 12:48 pm
    I have been saying all along that I could see us making a big trade. That said, I am happy to punt 2013 if it makes us stronger in the long term.

    I love prospects…. But It’s tough to see how they will compete at all in 2014 and probably 2015 as well without some fancy manuevering unless several of their prospects just take off and hit the big leagues running……I don’t know if I wanna punt two or three years just so “maybe” they’ll be good a few years from now

  50. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    I don’t understand the complaints about people wanting to spend the Yankees money either… there’s a whole faction of baseball fans (non-Yankee fans) that have been trying to tell us how to spend our money for years.

  51. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    Team Greedy – We Like to Win Sh*t.

  52. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    - PAT -
    Letting Cano go, does More than offset whatever Hamilton will make in 2014 And beyond.

  53. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Sign Hamilton then test the Cards and call and offer them Cano for Oscar Taveras straight up……

  54. Patrick December 10th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Giving up your best offensive Busher and top 2 Busher Chuckers is dumb, unless you get Price included in the TB package.

    What the f …

  55. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Listen, the last team I wanna be are the Devil Rays. Mostly, because I actually like to win sh*t.

    I’m not jealous of the Rays stadium or payroll or location, but I wish the Yankees operated their front office more like the Rays & their baseball ops more like the rays. The Yankees operated like someone who thought they were above it all, like they didn’t need guile or cunning. I wish they put more effort into shifting the rays do, and other things to gain competitive advantage. They have always acted like money was their own competitive advantage. I want the money & the creativity in the front office. I want the world!

  56. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    What’s the over/under on Hamilton signing this week?

  57. tomingeorgia December 10th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Jerkface,
    The Yankees of the late 60s and early 70s spent virtually nothing on players, and it surely showed. This management, until the Dodgers madness, spent far more than any other team. They didn’t always spend it wisely, which has put us in a bind for now. Do you truly foresee a return to the CBS days? I surely don’t.

  58. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    JF – If I’m jealous about anything Rays-related it would be the fact that they have a plan and stick to it. I want us to have a plan and have a fall-back of wiggle room that they can’t afford.

    Team Greedy: “Those are brave men knocking at our doors…..let’s go kill? them!” – Tyrion Lannister

  59. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Ugh, how did a question mark get in there…

    We definitely want to kill them, no questions about it.

  60. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    I’m not jealous of the Rays stadium or payroll or location, but I wish the Yankees operated their front office more like the Rays & their baseball ops more like the rays. The Yankees operated like someone who thought they were above it all, like they didn’t need guile or cunning. I wish they put more effort into shifting the rays do, and other things to gain competitive advantage. They have always acted like money was their own competitive advantage. I want the money & the creativity in the front office. I want the world!
    ——————————————————————

    This is why I’ve always thought it would be interesting to see how guys like Beane and Friedman would fare as the Yanks GM. Adding their creativity to what used to be a substantial financial advantage would be awesome. And it probably would have actually resulted in some lower payrolls throughout the years. They’d probably use just enough to nab every guy they really wanted.

  61. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    blake, I don’t want to punt two or three years either, and it isn’t the Yankee way, so doubt that would happen.

    The question is that even if we had kids potentially knocking in 2014 would we even trust them enough to risk playing them? I hope so. Maybe the finances would necessitate it. But we have become so darn conservative on the position side, that I just don’t know. Stay tuned.

  62. MoRings42 December 10th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    I don’t see any risk. We need a few contact hitters on this team in the postseason. He’s old, sure… he just doesn’t play like it. He’s not as fast, ok.. but he did lead the team in SB’s and wasn’t here that long… he’s another LHB, yeah and he hits LHP better than Cody Ross & the others you named.

    It’s a one maybe two year deal. It would insanely stupid to let a guy like this walk away.

  63. jacksquat December 10th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    He also has a career .303 .395 .522 .917 line in the minors, and OPS’d 1.1 at AA. And he can play the OF better than Nick Swisher.

    I’ll assume you were replying to me…

    Travis Snider

    Minors: .308/.383/.528/.910 (basically identical to Myers)

    Majors: .248/.309/.415

    Oops!

    No guarantees.

  64. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    “The question is that even if we had kids potentially knocking in 2014 would we even trust them enough to risk playing them”

    Probably not….

  65. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Yankee ticket prices aren’t exactly conducive to any sort of a rebuild/decline.

  66. blake December 10th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    @newsdaymarcus: Source: Yanks to sign deal with TicketMaster, drop StubHub. “Less fees,more fan friendly,” source says of new arrangement.

  67. Chip December 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Interesting how lots of people in the game are now downgrading Myers saying that he’s no sure thing and will not be a starter to open this season (though some of that is to postpone his arbitration clock)

  68. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    TicketMaster has less fees than StubHub?

  69. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    - DONNYBROOK GENERAL PRINCIPLES – (contnued)

    (10) NEVER “PUNT” ANYTHING. IT IS A MENTAL PATH THAT LEADS TO CONSISTENT MEDIOCRITY.

  70. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    If the Yankees could make a trade and acquire a good young player with a reasonable contract, I just don’t know if they would do it since it impacts 2014. I hope they would.

    The Rays have had practice operating on a budget. The Yankees have not and it looks like it.

    Signing aging players to one year expiring contracts without adding some young talent is running on a treadmill while it is losing power. You are not getting anywhere and soon you are at a dead stop.

  71. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    No guarantees.

    Absolutely no guarantees, but Snider also got dicked over by Cito. Toronto helped in ruining his development at the major league level. There are also differences between Myers & Snider beyond just a stat line. They are different players after all.

    I thought the most interesting thing I read about Myers was that 12 out of the last 14 minor league players of the years have become stars, and 1 of the misses had a rare disease.

  72. blake December 10th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    @MagicJohnson: Dodger Nation I am happy to announce we have signed P Zack Greinke, the best pitcher on the Free Agent Market!

  73. blake December 10th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    @BNightengale: The #WhiteSox make Keppinger signing official: 3’5 mill, 4 mill and 4.5 million next 3 uears

  74. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Losing Stubhub as an option might not be good news for STH or fans generally. Just a thought: If Yanks do what the NFL did with the ticket exchange, STH will no longer be able to sell tickets for games they are not attending for less than face. Therefore, they will likely be forced to eat games they aren’t attending. Get ready to see STH drop their plans right and left.

  75. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
    Losing Stubhub as an option might not be good news for STH or fans generally. Just a thought: If Yanks do what the NFL did with the ticket exchange, STH will no longer be able to sell tickets for games they are not attending for less than face. Therefore, they will likely be forced to eat games they aren’t attending. Get ready to see STH drop their plans right and left.
    ————————————————————————-

    The NFL ticket exchange kills you with processing/handling fees also which won’t help the situation. I wanted to go through ticket exchange for the last Rams game I went to but settled on Stubhub because it was much cheaper.

  76. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Curious what this new agreement is going to look like. They opted out of stubhub as the official secondary market of the Yankees, but you can still buy and sell tickets on there.

  77. chicken little December 10th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    If I am the Yanks, I sign Hamilton and then trade Grandy (perhaps for prospects or players capable of filling a hole or two). The problem with not signing Hamilton is that the Yanks then paint themselves into the corner of “do we trade Grandy (and even Cano) and show that we are rebuilding which will reduce tixx sales or do we try and go for it with the mishcabobble of talent we have now and hope next off-season we can figure out a way to really improve …”
    If the Yanks sign Hamilton and trade Grandy then ichiro plus a RHB can play a corner outfield spot. Plus, it gives the Yanks some leverage with Cano in that Cano is not as i mportant as he was before (remember Cano have never put together a superstar season).

  78. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Tom,

    Yes, our baseball memories go a long way. I recall when Horace Clarke was the best player.

    It is the CBS years that have me worried. Yes, they spend money now, but it appears they want to significantly change the cost structure while player prices are increasing. It strikes me as CBS corporate mentality.

    I admit my scars from childhood terrible teams are showing. It is my sense that some folks with only recent memories don’t think the Yankees can lose, and that winning is in the team DNA.

  79. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Yankee ticket prices aren’t exactly conducive to any sort of a rebuild/decline.

    ————
    Not at all.

    And no, you don’t need to buy tickets at face value but the fact of the matter is the Yankees can only get away with charging that much for tickets based on excellence. As everyone likes to keep reminding us, as if we forgot, this team won 95 games last year (!!) and had some trouble filling those seats.

    I dunno how much luck they’ll have if they only win 90.

  80. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    I think that the Yanks will be sold in the next 5 years. I don’t think Hal has the same level of interest in the team as George did (for better or worse) and if he gets a good offer, I think he takes it.

  81. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    the yankees and others are fighting a losing battle on ticket prices. the fact is that they have priced thier tickets over what the market will bear and are trying to prevent the market from correcting this.

    people will find tickets at market price one way or another.

  82. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    I guess actually you will no longer be able to link your seasons to Stubhub anymore through your Yankee account, just Ticketmaster. However, you can still sell/buy Yankee tix on Stubhub…just a lengthier process…

    Did they say tix on Ticketmaster have to sell for at least face? That is the big question.

  83. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    Ticketmaster’s secondary market, TicketsNow, is god awful.

    For a while Ticketmaster was funneling tickets straight to TicketsNow and charging an insane amount of money for them. They were the distributor AND the secondary market.

    I think Bruce made them clean some stuff up but if you look at any event on TicketsNow and compare it to StubHub prices they’ll always be higher. And I do mean always… I check it out frequently.

  84. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    Does anyone really think an O held together with duct tape, bailing wire, and chewing gum is gonna be good enough to compete in the much improved AL East ?

    Or don’t we care about that anymore ?

    We have lost 3 big, hairy monsters too.

    And we’re attempting to replace their production with Ichiro, Cervelli, and Youkilis.

    Yup.

    Got some sand I’d like to sell ya’.

    ;)

  85. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    @jay_jaffe

    if Ticketmaster “less fees, more fan friendly” than Stubhub, good luck, 2013 Yanks. Scott Hairston “less fees, more fan friendly” than Swish

  86. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    Is the Ticketmaster switch in any way related to Yankee disappointment with excessive Stubhub purchases?

  87. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    And no, you don’t need to buy tickets at face value but the fact of the matter is the Yankees can only get away with charging that much for tickets based on excellence. As everyone likes to keep reminding us, as if we forgot, this team won 95 games last year (!!) and had some trouble filling those seats.
    ——————————————————

    The empty seats at playoff games last year really caught my attention. Maybe this will open up more affordable tickets for fans who currently can’t get to games but I just don’t think that the Yanks will draw through lean years in their current framework. And that’s going to hurt Hal’s pocketbook.

  88. jacksquat December 10th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Chip December 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
    Interesting how lots of people in the game are now downgrading Myers saying that he’s no sure thing and will not be a starter to open this season (though some of that is to postpone his arbitration clock)

    That’s mostly just a reaction to armies saying the Royals got robbed, and acting like Myers is a guaranteed perennial all-star. Myers will likely be good, but people are acting like the Royals just traded Babe Ruth.

  89. jl101010 December 10th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    The way this team is being built and the mantra to bring payroll down, the Fox deal with YES, only bringing players on the scrap heap…sure looks like a team that is being readied for a FOR SALE sign….

  90. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    The NFL ticket exchange kills you with processing/handling fees also which won’t help the situation. I wanted to go through ticket exchange for the last Rams game I went to but settled on Stubhub because it was much cheaper.
    ____
    I much prefer Stubhub, but it is harder to sell tix there when you don’t have the direct link from your account. And for NFL on ticket exchange, not being able to sell for less than face sucks when you are trying to sell a less popular game.

  91. blake December 10th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    Just buy your tickets and eat your gruel and support your team already

  92. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    I don’t think Hal has the same level of interest in the team as George

    ———————–

    That;s painfully obvious now.

  93. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    That’s mostly just a reaction to armies saying the Royals got robbed, and acting like Myers is a guaranteed perennial all-star. Myers will likely be good, but people are acting like the Royals just traded Babe Ruth.

    I think the issue is the amount of prospects going Tampa’s way & the fact that you have to really buy the rest of that royals team as being good for it to make any sense. If they win 82 games with James Shields then its completely unhelpful and potentially crippling. 88 wins may win the central again, but what about the Royals screams 88 wins? Loser teams have a very good pitcher all the time, doesn’t mean they make the playoffs.

  94. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    jl101010 December 10th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    The way this team is being built and the mantra to bring payroll down, the Fox deal with YES, only bringing players on the scrap heap…sure looks like a team that is being readied for a FOR SALE sign….

    ——————–

    Hopefully the new owners are good ones.

  95. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    I much prefer Stubhub, but it is harder to sell tix there when you don’t have the direct link from your account. And for NFL on ticket exchange, not being able to sell for less than face sucks when you are trying to sell a less popular game.
    —————————————————————-

    Yep. I’ve never been a seller (never had season tickets to any team) but as a buyer I always look for under face value especially if tickets are as pricey as at YS. A mid April game against the Twins at a potentially chilly YS is probably not going to go for face.

  96. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    “The empty seats at playoff games last year really caught my attention. Maybe this will open up more affordable tickets for fans who currently can’t get to games but I just don’t think that the Yanks will draw through lean years in their current framework. And that’s going to hurt Hal’s pocketbook.”
    _____
    Actually the prices on Stubhub were generally very cheap. No one had any excuse not to go to games because tix were very fan friendly. You never had to pay face for good seats.

  97. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    is ‘level of interest’ better than ‘wants to win?’ b/c i think they’ve won more consistently under ‘level of interest”

  98. mick December 10th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    “The Yankees are looking for short-term solutions. The big bats on the market seem out of their price range.”
    ================================
    How true is that, really?
    The clock starts next year doesn’t it?

  99. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Some have said the declining attendance is similar to the Braves getting to the playoffs every year. That could be a factor, but I think it is the lack of new blood and the excitement that brings. That can come from player acquisitions or promotions.

    Despite winning 95 games, the team lacked an excitement level. I had looked very forward to Montero coming up. While the last thing I want to do is to get into that again, the team does need someone to hope for and root for other than hoping Ichiro, Ibanez and the like have one more year in them.

  100. AAA December 10th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Curious what this new agreement is going to look like. They opted out of stubhub as the official secondary market of the Yankees, but you can still buy and sell tickets on there.

    =================================

    Sure.

  101. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Play the kids.

    Save the money for next year.

    Screw the retreads.

    ;)

  102. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Tyler, I have seasons to Jets and Yanks, and I have been getting killed on Yankee games that I can’t attend. Can’t even give them away…

  103. blake December 10th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Maybe if they raise ticket prices enough then they can buy some players….

  104. jacksquat December 10th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
    the yankees and others are fighting a losing battle on ticket prices. the fact is that they have priced thier tickets over what the market will bear and are trying to prevent the market from correcting this.

    people will find tickets at market price one way or another.

    Or they just won’t go at all.

    I’m starting to really dislike the apparent attitude of the Yankee ownership. First they lashed back publicly about the payroll, and they seem to think fans will just continue happily handing them their money for an inferior product, and now they are trying to control the secondary market.

  105. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    prices were not a problem for fans wanting to go to playoff games and you’d have to wonder how many empty seats there would have been had thousands of tickets not sold on stubhub. the place would have been 1/3 empty.

    i bought upper deck behind home plate tix for alds game 5 for $25, and middle deck seats behind 3b for alcs game 2 for $22.

    (making me one of the rare people who say arod get a PS hit!)

  106. Locke December 10th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    As soon as we sign him I’ll go out and buy a new Ichiro jersey. I love this personality, his speed and his contact bat.

  107. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Mick,

    That is very true as the big bats require multiple years the Yankees seem disinclined, if not absolutely against, entering into.

    I still don’t get why reasonable contracts extending into 2014 and beyond are not good things. Aren’t they going to try to get reasonable contracts then? It is easier to find them if you have two years than in one to find them.

  108. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Fem-

    My playoff crowd comment was more centered on my concern about the Yankees fanbase as a whole than the price of tickets at the Stadium (and you’re comment made those concerns even bigger, haha). If fans aren’t willing to come out to the frickin’ ALCS at seemingly affordable prices than how are they going to react if the Yanks did choose to rebuild for 2-3 years?

  109. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    true, without tickets being sold below face, there would be many more empty seats at every game. and most likey, STH would bring back much less income for the seats they dont use.

  110. blake December 10th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    “I still don’t get why reasonable contracts extending into 2014 and beyond are not good things”

    They are seriously gonna have no players in 2014…..they are going to have to fill like half the roster and do so staying under the budget when the agents know this? Blood in the water ….they’ll have no leverage

  111. Locke December 10th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
    Mick,

    That is very true as the big bats require multiple years the Yankees seem disinclined, if not absolutely against, entering into.

    I still don’t get why reasonable contracts extending into 2014 and beyond are not good things. Aren’t they going to try to get reasonable contracts then? It is easier to find them if you have two years than in one to find them.

    ———–

    I completely agree. If we’re an opportunity for a good deal for 3-4 years lets take it as long as the average pay is low enough to work with the 189 number.

  112. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Tyler, I have seasons to Jets and Yanks, and I have been getting killed on Yankee games that I can’t attend. Can’t even give them away…
    —————————————————————–

    It just seems weird to me because even last year in what many people seem to think was a “down” year, they still finished as a top 4 team in baseball… I don’t get why people aren’t showing up if there are ways to get affordable tickets.

  113. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    does a yankees ichiro jersey say suzuki or ichiro on the back (and why?)

  114. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Tyler, I attend every playoff game no matter what (although this year for the first time was unable to attend because I was injured). But maybe fans are apathetic about this current team…

    There is an erroneous assumption that rebuilding implies not winning. I don’t agree with that premise. And the fan base will be energized by young, exciting players that they can watch grow.

  115. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    I always thought Hal and Cashman were tight.

    But I question that now since Cashman has apparently been turned into a Eunuch in public by upper Management.

    He’s sounds like he’d be lucky to go to the toilet w/o getting permission first.

    What. No spending money even for candy Brian ?

    :)

  116. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    does a yankees ichiro jersey say suzuki or ichiro on the back (and why?)

    it says nothing of course. Your shirsey will probably say Ichiro, because he is Ichiro and that is how he rolls.

  117. mick December 10th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    I still don’t get why reasonable contracts extending into 2014 and beyond are not good things. Aren’t they going to try to get reasonable contracts then?
    =====================================
    My question is this:
    If they are selling the team before 2014, is this the process one would take?
    I mean as far as not committing to any big salaries in 2014.

  118. bruceb December 10th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    As soon as we sign him I’ll go out and buy a new Ichiro jersey.

    As soon as Youkilis signs, I’ll be going out and buying a jersey so that I can burn it in my backyard. This is nothing short of heresy.

  119. Patrick December 10th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    does a yankees ichiro jersey say suzuki or ichiro on the back (and why?)

    Yankees jerseys don’t have names on the back .. unless you buy the cheap ones.

    If you get a cheap one it says Ichiro on the back.

    1. Because Ichiro is a boss and gets to have his given name on the back of his jersey
    2. In japan you address someone as Family name – Given name unlike in the US.

  120. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    my ichiro yankees jersey doesnt exsist. although i still have the #51 jersey i was given for christmas back in the 90′s. (it has no name which would be superflouous)

  121. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Blake-

    It looks to me like they are “all in” with the Farm going forward.

  122. ron December 10th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    The yankees need to say the h e l l with the lt,and blow it out of the water.

    The 500 million they are getting from the new yes deal covers any penalties,plus it gains a lot of interest.
    Also the measley 85 million they get a year goes to 300 million a year by the year 2042,wich is in 30 years.
    Not sure how quickly that escalates but if they make the park more fan friendly,and stop being so cheap,the extra ticket sales will cover a lot more than by them being a boring team.

    I just think they have more to lose by being so cheap,and they can rival even the dodgers,believe it,or not,and should instead of cowering in the corner.

    We are the yankees,lets start acting like it.

  123. mick December 10th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    I always thought Hal and Cashman were tight.
    =============================
    Doesn’t Hal own Cashman at this point?
    I mean with money he must owe for lawsuits and such, he must feel happy to have a job, like the rest of us.
    Therefore, he will do as he is told and keep his mouth shut.
    It’s all about the paycheck, no?

  124. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Stubhub is pretty easy to navigate as a seller as long as you have a PayPal account.. I found that made it much easier to use. I’d imagine most STH will still opt to use StubHub.

  125. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
    Tyler, I attend every playoff game no matter what (although this year for the first time was unable to attend because I was injured). But maybe fans are apathetic about this current team…

    There is an erroneous assumption that rebuilding implies not winning. I don’t agree with that premise. And the fan base will be energized by young, exciting players that they can watch grow.
    —————————————————————

    Definitely agree with what you said. It wouldn’t even be a “full rebuild” because the Yanks still have guys like CC. I think apathy played a pretty big factor in it but it’s kind of hard to comprehend a fanbase being apathetic over a team that is in the ALCS. I guess we are just spoiled as Yanks fans.

  126. blake December 10th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    “It looks to me like they are “all in” with the Farm going forward.”

    That’d be fine if they’d spend the money to supplement it…….if you don’t then you’ll end up being the Royals

  127. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    im not a salary cap guy but i am curious about how much the penalties would be.

    some of you guys have likely worked it out. can anyone tell me what the total of penalties would be if the payroll stayed steady at, say $225M year after year?

  128. CB December 10th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Coming into this winter there was always a very good chance that Dayton Moore would wind up making a poor trade in order to save his job. I was just hoping the Yankees would be the beneficiaries of his generosity :-(

    I don’t like this trade for the Royals primarily because they simply aren’t close enough to good enough for guys like Shields or Davis to make a difference.

    Also if I were them I would have focused my efforts on trying to move Moustakas. Huge power but has holes in his swing.

    I don’t know if Myers is going to be a star. From the bits I’ve seen from him – I like his swing. Takes a very relaxed path to the ball and despite that the ball still jumps nicely. His swing isn’t as short as optimal and perhaps doesn’t have as much bat speed as possible. But those are really quibbles, particulary with the scarcity of good power hitting positional prospects in the game today. No he’s not on the Trout and Stanton level of talent but that’s really not saying much. He has a chance to become a very good player who produces a ton of value.

    And the kicker for the Rays is that they also get Odorizzi for more upside and risk mitigation. The Rays are just unbelievably good as an organization.

    Besides Meyers to the Yanks, this trade also made me think of other delusional thoughts I’ve had. Around 5 years ago I really wanted Friedmen to be the Yanks next GM. I was hoping the Yanks could lure him back to NY. I figured that Cashman’s run would’ve been completed. Cash would have done something very difficult-rested control of baseball operations for the baseball people and Friedman would be the ideal guy to execute the potential of the plan and see it through.

    Then word came out that Friedman had reached that new “agreement” with Sternberg that may have given him a piece of the team on top of the job itself. Oh well….

    You can take your pick I suppose. Daniels and the Rangers vs Friedman and the Rays but those are the 2 top GMs/Baseball organizations in the game. Everyone else is playing catch up.

    And for some there’s a long way to catch up…

  129. AAA December 10th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    I don’t get why people aren’t showing up if there are ways to get affordable tickets.

    ====================================

    Doesn’t stop with the ticket prices. Parking/transportation, food, drink, etc. Can still be an expensive, time consuming event, even at low ticket prices.

  130. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    That’d be fine if they’d spend the money to supplement it…….if you don’t then you’ll end up being the Royals
    —————————————————————-

    As long as we get to mercilessly boo a player in the homerun derby, I’ll be fine.

  131. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    “It just seems weird to me because even last year in what many people seem to think was a “down” year, they still finished as a top 4 team in baseball… I don’t get why people aren’t showing up if there are ways to get affordable tickets.”

    Hard to say. Some guesses: A lot of the real fans lost interest when they got relocated to crummy seats when the Yanks moved across the street. They therefore dropped their season tickets. Some people (diehards) got used to not going, so don’t bother to anymore. Also not the same experience as OYS. Others don’t know that they can get cheap seats on Stubhub. Also there is still economic hardship and some people are out of work, and prefer to watch at home, don’t want to pay for parking, etc. In addition, the team won in 2009, so some became jaded. Team isn’t very exciting, as I mentioned above. Probably a multitude of reasons. These are some that occur to me based on what people have told me…

  132. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    StubHub also requires strategy.. a lot of fans that live in the area can afford to wait until the last minute to make a purchase, making the cost a lot cheaper. But not all of the fans have that flexibility.

  133. AAA December 10th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Stubhub is pretty easy to navigate as a seller as long as you have a PayPal account.. I found that made it much easier to use. I’d imagine most STH will still opt to use StubHub.

    ============================

    Agreed. They’ll just do it without the cooperation of the Yankees.

  134. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    mick-

    I guess so but he has been publicly embarassed by those he supposedly works for.

    He’s a laughing stock.

    So I hope he enjoys his money.

    Because that’s all he’s got left. His dignity is gone.

    It surprises me as I thought he and Hal were tight.

    Guess not.

    ;)

  135. LGY December 10th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    No more stubhub?

    This team. SMH.

  136. blake December 10th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    @ESPNNYYankees: Youkilis’ agent: Yanks’ offer is ‘very legitimate’ http://t.co/OPfKIlhc

    Duh….it’s more than he’s worth

  137. mick December 10th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Because that’s all he’s got left. His dignity is gone.
    ================
    That might have been gone before he met Hal.

  138. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Do smartphones now allow you to buy tickets without even having to print them anymore?

    Has that taken off yet? Where they can just scan the bar code on your phone? Prices would be even better on sites like StubHub mere hours before game time if that takes off.

  139. G. Love December 10th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    The Yankees, last season, were meh early on, then get scorching hot then hit the all star break and were one of the most difficult teams to watch as they plodded around the field playing .500 ball and blowing a 10 game lead.

    Blowing the 10 game lead didn’t inspire the fanbase. We watched them night after night struggle to score runs against inferior competition they should’ve been dominating.

    We watched Tex making 23 million a year for the next 100 years look like a platoon player with a nice glove.

    When runners got to 3b, we had to pray for walks, hit batsmen or wild pitches to get the runners in.

    This team let all of the air out of the balloon and by the time they were able to get into the post season, it was on the back of Ibanez and the pitching staff. I wonder if Jeter got Ibanez’s hits would the fanbase have been more rabid?

    In any event, what happened last year during the post season attendance wise was completely related to the product we saw on the field from the ASB on. The team was boring, they played beneath their capabilities. They piled on offensive stats in blowouts only to struggle to string together 2 hits in an inning for the next 5-6 games at a time.

    And quite frankly, we had seen this happen with this team in 2010 and 2011. Playing beer softball once every 10 games and the other 9 struggle to stay 2 games over .500.

    It wasn’t that they didn’t win the world series. The world series is a small blip in a very long season. It was they looked so inept at times. How everyone would go ice cold together against pitchers who had no business beating them. How’d they compile the “backs of their baseball cards” in blowouts and disappear quickly after one of those “breakout” games.

    Ticket prices had nothing to do with sagging attendance last year because you could walk into the stadium for a fraction of the cost of face.

    The $36 parking fee, on the other hand, makes a lot of fans and families think twice before heading out in the car to the park. And don’t give me Metro North as a real alternative when most fans have to go to Grand Central or the Harlem stop first in order to catch a train to the stadium. The commute time on Metro North could take 1.5 hours each way when you can’t get a direct train.

    The seats will be filled when there’s something exciting to watch and we face competition that brings out the best in us.

    Strip mining the team for budget purposes isn’t the best way to rectify that, but they may not even care about rectifying that anymore. They care about tax incentives. If that’s truly the case, it’ll be evident in the stands and the ratings. The fan’s won’t support the boardroom Yankees. It’ll be 1992 in the stadium again before they know it.

  140. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    LGY December 10th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    No more stubhub?

    This team. SMH.

    —————

    It’s gonna make them look foolish when a handful of tickets can be found on TicketsNow and StubHub is still flush with them. ….for cheaper.

  141. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Shame, yes, that was another thing that is true that occurred to me, but I didn’t write. Footloose people close to the City can wait until the last minute, but many can’t.

    Also STH dropping is a biggie b/c they were the core that always went to games…

  142. mick December 10th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    If the Yanks are ending their deal with Stubhub, what does that really mean?
    People will still be able to buy tix there from any fan that wants to sell them to them, right?
    Maybe the Yanks just won’t dump their unsold tix on Stubhub anymore who could price them as they wanted.

  143. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    GLove – Great post. A good example are Yankee/Red Sox games.

    Since the Red Sox blew last year, the tickets weren’t as overpriced as usual on the secondary market and there were a ton more available. I remember in the early 2000s it was like having to sell a baby to get your hands on Yanks/Sox tickets.

  144. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    some of you guys have likely worked it out. can anyone tell me what the total of penalties would be if the payroll stayed steady at, say $225M year after year?

    If 225 is just the cost of the 40 man roster by CBT calculation (AAV and all that jazz) then they will be paying 23 million per year in luxury tax going forward. Basically the same amount they have been paying. If 225 includes the player benefits they will be paying 18 million in luxury tax.

  145. ron December 10th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Ys guy:

    If you are over for 4 straight years,i believe it is a 50% tax hit on anything over 189 million,so they get taxed on 36 million,at 50 % wich is only 18 million a year.
    They pay a 40 tax now on anything over 178 million,so they would be essentially paying less money,and the most they can be taxed is 50%.

  146. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    blake December 10th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
    @ESPNNYYankees: Youkilis’ agent: Yanks’ offer is ‘very legitimate’ http://t.co/OPfKIlhc

    Duh….it’s more than he’s worth
    ______
    Youk!

  147. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Being competitive matters.

  148. LGY December 10th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Has that taken off yet? Where they can just scan the bar code on your phone? Prices would be even better on sites like StubHub mere hours before game time if that takes off.

    —————–

    Nope… You have to bring your phone to will call, wait in line, and get them to physically print out the ticket there.

    Ridiculous system.

  149. ac1 December 10th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    The Yankees should be serious about Hamilton only because the chances of resigning Cano get slimmer each day the Dodgers decide they can afford anything (which they can)….

  150. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    mick, exactly! they have apparently decided to dump tickets elswhere, or maybe they just figure they dont want the competition from the STH when they do dump tickets on stubhub…

  151. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Of course that amount will decrease in 2017 if the new CBA sets a higher limit, it will be 189 for the rest of this CBA though.

  152. mick December 10th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Also STH dropping is a biggie b/c they were the core that always went to games…
    ============================
    they bought the tix but evidently a lot didn’t go.
    this brought the price down allowing us chumps to grab them at a discount, i.e. fair price.
    i can’t see this changing as ppl will still sell them on s.hub.
    just the yanks won’t.

  153. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Dropping stubhubs means season ticket holders can no longer use a streamlined process to put their tickets up on stubhub through their STH dashboard.

  154. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    fem – When I lived in the city and just needed to hop on the 6 to get up there it was awesome. But coming in from Dirty Jerz is not nearly as easy so I usually have to lock up tickets earlier, making them more expensive.

    I’m still paying for my Dad’s bday gift from October :( Thank god I took him to one of the games we won or else I’d be even more annoyed my budget took a hit for 3 months to accommodate the trip.

  155. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    “Strip mining the team for budget purposes isn’t the best way to rectify that, but they may not even care about rectifying that anymore. They care about tax incentives. If that’s truly the case, it’ll be evident in the stands and the ratings. The fan’s won’t support the boardroom Yankees. It’ll be 1992 in the stadium again before they know it.”

    One would hope. That’s the only thing that might cause them to sit up, take notice, and actually try to improve again if that happens.

    ;)

  156. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    LGY December 10th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Has that taken off yet? Where they can just scan the bar code on your phone? Prices would be even better on sites like StubHub mere hours before game time if that takes off.

    —————–

    Nope… You have to bring your phone to will call, wait in line, and get them to physically print out the ticket there.

    Ridiculous system.

    ————

    Let’s invent and app for that and cut that nonsense out… once that’s implemented getting electronic tickets will be awesome. I’ll buy them as I’m driving in.

  157. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Dropping stubhubs means season ticket holders can no longer use a streamlined process to put their tickets up on stubhub through their STH dashboard.

    ————-

    Basically all it is, is another f*ck you to STH lol.

    They’re really playing a dangerous game…

  158. JoeyVegas December 10th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    Well if Crazy Uncle Ed thinks Youkilis is coming then I’m sold, ESPN. Some journalism there.

  159. mick December 10th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    Strip mining the team for budget purposes isn’t the best way to rectify that, but they may not even care about rectifying that anymore.
    ===========================
    I guess they won’t if selling the team is more attractive by not signing any new expensive players.

  160. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    I can guarantee that almost all STH will take the extra time to sell through StubHub though… so I’m excited for that.

  161. ron December 10th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    If they are that set on getting below the 189,trade cano,granderson,hughes for a bunch of prospects,and concentrate on great pitching with a lesser offense.
    Then spend big when the smoke clears,but tell the fans this.

    The combination of our prospects with the added ones from trades,cleared contracts,and tons of money from combined revenues,we would be in fantastic shape in a few years.

    But we need some pitching prospects to start making noise.

    Hopefully banuelos comes back strong,but we are looking at 2 years for him.

  162. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    i dont agree that $18M is nothing but its not necesarily a deal-breaker. however arent there some other penalties related to going over the threshold?

  163. Patrick December 10th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Cashman said in a recent interview that getting under the 189 threshold will save the team with more from revenue sharing rather than luxury tax.

  164. mick December 10th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Dropping stubhubs means season ticket holders can no longer use a streamlined process to put their tickets up on stubhub through their STH dashboard.
    ===================================
    but they still can use stubhub as before i would think.
    can’t stop that.
    why should yanks care how secondary seats are sold anyway?

  165. blake December 10th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    CB,

    I agree….I think it was totally a deal to save Moores job

  166. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    so i dont know if anyone knows what those revenue sharing penalties are, but if cash is right, then we’re already talking $37M + per year.

  167. mick December 10th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    i have been going to about 10 games a year for many years but have no qualms about staying home if they want to play hard ball with the team and the fan.
    ive done it before and will do it again .

  168. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    Micks, Yanks care because they still have primary seats for sale that patrons won’t buy when they can buy for less on Stubhub.

    Shame, same here. I lived on the UWS, and had seasons, so it was easy to go to every game. Now, coming from NJ, it is a haul, and I have to plan ahead.

  169. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    The 2012 Yankees were Boring and tough to watch. They score the bulk of their runs on 1 swing of the stick, and the remainder of the game is filled with guys Not hitting with runners in scoring position. This went on ALL season. And where were the exciting walk-off wins??? Didn’t happen. I can’t blame fans for Not buying tickets to watch a team that over 162 does Not hit with runners in scoring position, does Not run, does Not hit-and-run, does Not bunt runners over, does Not hit behind the runner, etc. Basically, you watch a Yankee game and Hope a Home Run Derby breaks out.

  170. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Micks, Yanks care because they still have primary seats for sale that patrons won’t buy when they can buy for less on Stubhub.
    ===================================
    Right YF. They are in competition with STH that cant make it so they will go elsewhere.
    Can’t see how that would effect savvy fans who will still look to S.hub and the like for bargains.
    Can they stop S.hub from selling yankee tix?

  171. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    The Yankees are looking to be able to get in each year:

    2014 – 11.5% revenue sharing if oak gets new stadium in 2014, else 7.5%
    2015 – 17.5% revenue sharing if oak gets new stadium in 2014, else 11.25%
    2016 – 23% revenue sharing if oak gets new stadium in 2014, else 15%

    Or in monetary terms 10.9 million/7.1 million in 2014, 16.6mm/10.7mm in 2015, 21.85mm/14.25mm in 2016 depending on if Oak gets a new stadium

    If they go under only for 2014 then in 2015 they get 50% of those numbers, 25% in 2016. If they go under for 2014-2015 they get 100% of everything

  172. ron December 10th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    To fix this problem, the panel recommended a break in more than a century’s worth of tradition, imposing significant revenue sharing. After hashing out their competing interests, large-market owners, small-market owners, and the players’ union initially struck a major revenue sharing deal during collective bargaining in 2002. Under the latest version, in effect through 2011, all teams pay in 31 percent of their local revenues and that pot is split evenly among all 30 teams. In addition, a chunk of MLB’s Central Fund — made up of revenues from sources like national broadcast contracts — is disproportionately allocated to teams based on their relative revenues, so lower-revenue teams get a bigger piece of the pie.

    Potential Winners and Losers

    Revenue sharing makes some franchises significant payers and others recipients. For example, in 2005, the Yankees reportedly paid out about $76 million. Meanwhile, the Tampa Bay Rays, Toronto Blue Jays, Florida Marlins and Kansas City Royals each received $30 million or more, according to the Wall Street Journal.

  173. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Stubhub (owned by MLB) has deal with all 30 clubs that allows there tickets to be sold via their web-site. If one of those clubs (YANKS) no longer has that deal, stubhub no longer allows their tix to be sold on their site.
    =========================
    If this is true Stubhub is dead to Yankee fans.

  174. scuzzles December 10th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    As always – G. Love hits it on the head. Enjoy reading his posts.

  175. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Mick, no but the change will make it harder for STH b/c you can’t do the transfer quickly from your Yankee account; that process is a breeze. Therefore, you have to have the tix in hand if you decide to sell in order to copy the bar codes in to Stubhub. Also buyers will have to find a place to print tix out when they are already in the City b/c there will be no Stubhub window at the Stadium.

    Interestingly only Angels, Cubs and Yankees are leaving the Stubhub arrangement. Obviously, they all want to establish a floor for selling.

  176. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    YF…I don’t see how the Yanks can totally beat this as there are other sites and SHub still will exist unless they can sue Shub if yank tix are sold there.

  177. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Their goal is to make it easier to sell on their site than on stubhub and hope convenience wins out. Unless they truly have less fees & allow any price they won’t beat stubhub. I don’t know what revenue they are giving up opting out of stubhub, but they are probably hoping to recoup it by getting a better margin on their own site.

    If new site + stub hub sales > just stubhub it informs why they’d opt out, even if it sucks more for the fans

  178. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    if they are opting out that should mean they are not selling their overage to stubhub anymore, thats all.

    if they make it harder for sth to sell them on shub but cant stop them thru legal means then sth will still go there to dump their tix as stub has cornered that market

  179. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Stubhub can sell non-integrated baseball tix (Yanks tix), but it will just make selling tix more difficult. With NFL, selling on Stubhub is a pain, so I generally stick with ticketmaster. Yanks are trying to create the same difficulty. It is funny too that the Yankees have acted as if they are making the change to protect STH’s vs. their own bottomline.

  180. JoeyVegas December 10th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    What is STH?

  181. J. Alfred Prufrock December 10th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Vegas,

    season ticket holder = STH

  182. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    It is funny too that the Yankees have acted as if they are making the change to protect STH’s vs. their own bottomline.
    ================
    That is laughable. It seems like they just won’t be selling their unsold tix to shub anymore thats all…can they stop others yank tix from being sold there w/out a lawsuit?

  183. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    No, they cannot stop anyone from selling Yank tix on Stubhub.

  184. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Yanks should just lower ticket prices across the board. That would be the fan friendly move.

  185. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    No, they cannot stop anyone from selling Yank tix on Stubhub.
    =========================================

    not even by changing any codes i.e. operating processes?

  186. blake December 10th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    yankeefeminista says:
    December 10, 2012 at 2:34 pm
    Yanks should just lower ticket prices across the board. That would be the fan friendly move.

    Lol

  187. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    mick, I believe it would be against the law.

  188. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    if Yanks say we don’t want our tix sold on stubhub….would seem likely they could sue them if it is allowed.

  189. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    blake, especially with the new budget. Let ticket prices reflect the new frugality. Fair is fair.

  190. blake December 10th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    yankeefeminista says:
    December 10, 2012 at 2:38 pm
    blake, especially with the new budget. Let ticket prices reflect the new frugality. Fair is fair.

    Yes but Hal would make less money….

  191. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    mick, I believe it would be against the law.
    ===========================
    s hub would be able to stop ppl from selling their tix thru them by just changing some operating codes

  192. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    mick, they can make it difficult, but how can they restrict ticket holders from selling wherever they want to?

  193. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    since when did tmaster have a secondary market?

  194. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Yes but Hal would make less money….

    ————-

    Stop telling Hal how to spend his money!!

  195. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    no one has answered if they think they would be better off selling the team by 2014 with or without a high payroll…just asking.

  196. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    mick, they can make it difficult, but how can they restrict ticket holders from selling wherever they want to?
    ==============
    s hub would be able to stop ppl from selling their tix thru them by just changing some operating codes not allowing yankee tix to be sold on their site

  197. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Of course it would be better to sell the team with less money on the books, why would it even be a question?

  198. blake December 10th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    @YankeeSource: #Yankees interest in Shohei Otani was pretty strong. Had no interest in Kyuji Fujikawa.

  199. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    then it seems obvious that this is the path Hal is taking…

    but why then sign youk to 12m?

  200. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    1 year deal i get it…no multis is the giveaway

  201. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    if they have no star quality, wouldn’t the team be worth less?

  202. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    YF- Didn’t you say you sold your season tix to TMaster?

  203. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    if they have no star quality, wouldn’t the team be worth less?

    They’re the Yankees, they have CC, Jeter, A-rod & Tex for 2014. The new owners can bring their own stars in. I don’t see the Yankees selling by 2014 though. HAL wants the luxury tax rebates

  204. Mike in Harrisburg December 10th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    I wonder what percentage of resold tickets are moved through Craigslist.

  205. blake December 10th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    I will learn to live with pukelis ….but in return I want Hamilton and AjP

  206. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    HAL wants the luxury tax rebates
    ====================
    Didn’t you say they don’t amount to much?

  207. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    no one has answered if they think they would be better off selling the team by 2014 with or without a high payroll…just asking.

    ————————

    Without a high payroll. More took work with if it’s not high. Plus the new owners can become heros if the next few yrs don’t go well. It would be like the rebirth of the franchise

  208. jacksquat December 10th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
    the yankees and others are fighting a losing battle on ticket prices. the fact is that they have priced thier tickets over what the market will bear and are trying to prevent the market from correcting this.

    people will find tickets at market price one way or another.

    I doubt they would have outbid the Dodgers though, so meh.

  209. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    @YankeeSource: #Yankees interest in Shohei Otani was pretty strong.

    —————–

    If true that’s nice to know

  210. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    I will learn to live with pukelis …
    =================
    what is he waiting for, a xmas press conference?
    do you think he is still looking around?

  211. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    If true that’s nice to know

    Hopefully they change the posting system to open bidding & the Yankees grow a pair

  212. mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Without a high payroll. More took work with if it’s not high. Plus the new owners can become heros if the next few yrs don’t go well. It would be like the rebirth of the franchise
    ==================
    wouldn’t they be worth more if they got Hamilton and sold before 2014?

  213. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    If true that’s nice to know

    Hopefully they change the posting system to open bidding & the Yankees grow a pair

    ——–

    Hopefully both of those things happens

  214. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    mick December 10th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Without a high payroll. More took work with if it’s not high. Plus the new owners can become heros if the next few yrs don’t go well. It would be like the rebirth of the franchise
    ==================
    wouldn’t they be worth more if they got Hamilton and sold before 2014?

    ——————————–

    Like JF said it’s the Yankees. They are going to be worth the same with or without Hamilton

    Besides it doesn’t make sense to sell now since they just got the new deal with Newscorp.

  215. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    blake December 10th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    @YankeeSource: #Yankees interest in Shohei Otani was pretty strong. Had no interest in Kyuji Fujikawa.

    —————-

    Wasn’t our interest in Keppinger also pretty strong? :D

  216. blake December 10th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    @mashmore98: Felt Nunez could have taken infield prac. way more seriously than he did. Adams worked his ass off this year to rehab foot and re-learn 3B.

  217. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    thanks jerkface. so i dont know what the yankees revenues are (the ones which count toward revenue sharing) but it looks to me like the 5 year cost to the yankees from 2014-2019 could go down by certainly over $150M and could be much higher.

  218. mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    looks like youk is still out there trying for a multi deal .
    why else the delay?

  219. blake December 10th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    @YankeeSource: He’s looking for a multi-year deal, Yankees won’t give him one. RT @TarYank6 Nakajima an option?

  220. blake December 10th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    mick says:
    December 10, 2012 at 3:05 pm
    looks like youk is still out there trying for a multi deal .
    why else the delay?

    I don’t think he wants to come to the Yanks…..withdraw the offer

  221. mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    most likely he will get one if he looks long enough
    hal will pull the deal which he prolly doesnt want to give anyway
    then he can spend it on pierzynski

  222. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    thanks jerkface. so i dont know what the yankees revenues are (the ones which count toward revenue sharing) but it looks to me like the 5 year cost to the yankees from 2014-2019 could go down by certainly over $150M and could be much higher.

    Their revenue shared revenues are usually around 430-450 million, but they get a 50 million deduction from their stadium.

  223. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    They can’t get revenue sharing rebates after 2016 though.

  224. mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    youks skin not thick enough for NY?

    not in shape, hurt?

    afraid of failure?

  225. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    blake December 10th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    @YankeeSource: He’s looking for a multi-year deal, Yankees won’t give him one. RT @TarYank6 Nakajima an option?

    ——————

    WHO NEEDS A 3B/SS NEXT YEAR?!

  226. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    @YankeeSource

    Just a multi-year deal. #Nakajima

    If he isn’t looking to become a free agent early, then If I were the Yanks and I got nothing else working out I’d offer nakajima a premium for 2013. Then in 2014 he’d make the minimum, and I’d include in his contract that he msut be made arb elig by the yankees in 2015. That way he’d count as the minimum in 2014 and could recoup in 2015 before becoming true arb elig in 2016-2018

  227. mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    saing they are the Yankees is one thing but hasn’t their value fluctuated.
    its constantly going up but if cano isn’t coming back and jeter tex and arod are gone
    they are minus any star quality and
    can’t see where they would be worth as much

  228. Patrick December 10th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Youk is still un-signed because he’s looking for the best deal. It’s likely 12 million for 1 year is the best deal he can get so I still think he’ll be a Yankee. Unfortunately.

  229. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    it could well be that the steins are preparing to sell and getting under the lt for 2014 and 2015, plus being closer to end of arod and tex’s contract would make 2016 the perfect time for them to do it.

  230. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Yankees should change their logo to a Geritol bottle.

    :)

  231. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Is Adams plan V after Youk?

  232. jacksquat December 10th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Youk is probably looking for a 2 year deal and using the Yankees offer as backup.

    Nakajima is supposedly looking for a 3 year deal.

  233. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    blake December 10th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
    @mashmore98: Felt Nunez could have taken infield prac. way more seriously than he did. Adams worked his ass off this year to rehab foot and re-learn 3B.
    ____
    Eduardo smiled too much. See Cano…
    _____
    mick, sold NFL tix through my Jet ticket exchange (ticketmaster) account. Only sold Yanks tix on Stubhub, again through my Yankee account.

  234. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    saing they are the Yankees is one thing but hasn’t their value fluctuated.
    its constantly going up but if cano isn’t coming back and jeter tex and arod are gone
    they are minus any star quality and
    can’t see where they would be worth as much

    ——————

    The Yankees are a brand that have value with or without any of those guys.. Someone could buy the brand and revamp it in a heartbeat.

  235. mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    YF
    You must be rich…

  236. blake December 10th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    I like Nakajima because he is not Kevin Youkallis

  237. PacoDooley December 10th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    Ichiro has been my favorite player in baseball for the last 10 years, so it will at least be fun to watch him on a regular basis. I was disappointed when he re-signed with Seattle last go round.

    As for Youk, I think he will take the deal to play for the Yankees. I doubt he tops the 2013 salary and I am not convinced he is out for the total contract value above the 2013 salary. He might also want to play for a quality veteran team that has a chance to stick it to Boston.

  238. mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    The Yankees are a brand that have value with or without any of those guys.. Someone could buy the brand and revamp it in a heartbeat.
    ==========
    YES. But wouldn’t Hal get more money from a buyer with a Hamilton and Cano on the team?

  239. jacksquat December 10th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Don’t worry, if they don’t sign Youk, there is still Casey McGeheehee.

  240. pkyankfan69 December 10th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Anyone else listening to Big Mike give Nance a BJ over his new wine collection?

  241. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Shame,

    Isn’t it illegal restraint of trade to sign someone for more than one year? It must be or else the reluctance makes no sense.

    Who needs a SS or 3B for next year when we have youth and freedom from injuries at those positions. Or am I confused?

  242. Patrick December 10th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    It’s possible Hal is looking to sell the team but it’s just as likely that he believes he can cut costs to increase revenue. In other words, he thinks the team can be more profitable if he sticks to this new budget. I think this is a misstep because I don’t believe the team can be as competitive as they have been if they stay under $189 million payroll for the foreseeable future.

    On the surface one would think that $189 million is plenty of payroll to get a team into the playoffs on an annual basis. Unfortunately a large portion of that $189 million is already spoken for (Sabathia, Rodriguez, Teixeira, probably Cano and Jeter). And there are no prospects ready to step in and offset the payroll inefficiencies brought on by those large contracts. In all likelihood the Yankees will be a significantly worse team in 2014-2017 which will result in a loss of income (fewer ticket sales, no playoffs, etc).

  243. mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Anyone else listening to Big Mike give Nance a BJ over his new wine collection?
    =================
    funny that’s exactlly when i muted them

  244. brianlopez22 December 10th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    New Advertising opportunity!!!

    Retirement communities…
    “Come out and see your high school teammates playing ball at Yankee Stadium. Don’t forget, we have a special location where you can soak your teeth!”

  245. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    I don’t know how having stars impact the value of a team. the Dodgers hadn’t been spending or winning and they sold for a fortune. If I had to guess, a streamlined payroll is a very attractive situation for a buyer. That let’s them spend their money the way they choose.

  246. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    saing they are the Yankees is one thing but hasn’t their value fluctuated.
    its constantly going up but if cano isn’t coming back and jeter tex and arod are gone
    they are minus any star quality and
    can’t see where they would be worth as much

    ——————————-

    So instead of being sold for 3 + billion they get sold for what mid 2s if what you say takes place. It’s a different sport but the Cleveland Browns sold for 1 billion and they haven’t done anything significant yrs.

  247. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    “I think this is a misstep because I don’t believe the team can be as competitive as they have been if they stay under $189 million payroll for the foreseeable future.”

    I think the majority of people here would agree with you.

    I certainly do.

    ;)

  248. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    That let’s them spend their money the way they choose.

    ———————

    And they get to ride in on a white horse.

  249. mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    So instead of being sold for 3 + billion they get sold for what mid 2s if what you say takes place. It’s a different sport but the Cleveland Browns sold for 1 billion and they haven’t done anything significant yrs.
    ========================
    when will be the right time to sell then?
    if this is what he is planning there is nothing we can do to stop him is there?

  250. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    significant in*

  251. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Brian,

    You are close with the promotion. “Come see Yankee stars of yesteryear play against real major league competition.” or “At our fantasy camp, play real games that count in the standings.”

  252. mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    if there is such discontent among fans we can only hope new owners will not completely destroy the team.
    they could move them. they could tear the stadium down and rebuild it to suit the fans.
    the cano deal will be the tipping point.
    2014 could be hell…not to be negative.

  253. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
    YF
    You must be rich…
    ____
    lol. Not even close to rich. I’m the one who cashed in some of my life insurance dividends to keep my Yankee seasons. Probably wouldn’t do that again, but it is what it is…

  254. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    2014 could be hell…not to be negative.
    —————————————————–

    They could always just have CC pitch every game.

  255. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Maybe Jeter will buy the team ?

    :)

  256. mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    So instead of being sold for 3 + billion they get sold for what mid 2s if what you say takes place. It’s a different sport but the Cleveland Browns sold for 1 billion and they haven’t done anything significant yrs.
    ===================
    so hal makes out the next few years then sells them when they are in last place pocketing all the LT, Newscorp and revenue sharing money he can get…offsetting what he might lose upfront, aha!

  257. mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    I’m the one who cashed in some of my life insurance dividends to keep my Yankee seasons. Probably wouldn’t do that again, but it is what it is…
    =================================
    just the divs, not the cash value?

  258. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    I don’t think the overall value of the Yanks will decline that much, if any at all, just because they might not be a good team in 3-5 years. The Dodgers had a couple decent years recently but weren’t very good and they fetched 2 billion. It’s all about the other assets that buying the Yanks brings and the opportunities it opens up.

  259. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    So instead of being sold for 3 + billion they get sold for what mid 2s if what you say takes place. It’s a different sport but the Cleveland Browns sold for 1 billion and they haven’t done anything significant yrs.
    ========================
    when will be the right time to sell then?
    if this is what he is planning there is nothing we can do to stop him is there?
    ——————————————

    The right time to sell is when the team is what Hal wants it to be….a team with young exciting players and a mix of vets. Maybe the best time to sell is after 2016. Jeter, Tex, and CC are gone but A-rod is on for 1 more yr. Let’s say they keep Cano as an attractive piece. The rest of the team is some combination of young kids both starters and position players, a couple of free agents(but no extreme long term deals except Robbie), and trades. You’d would be turning over the biggest team in the sport with young impact players, a few vets, and a ton of room to make big signings if you wanted to.

  260. mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    I think I liked baseball more before it became big business.

  261. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Heading out, and hoping for another Youk-less evening in Yankeeland. Have a good day!

  262. UnKnown December 10th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Youk is just trying to decide if playing for the Yankees is really worth shaving over.

  263. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    And no if he wants to sell there is nothing we can do because it’s his team.

  264. ac1 December 10th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Youk is just trying to decide if playing for the Yankees is really worth shaving over.
    ____

    I actually think this could have some bearing on his decision. That beard is his schtick.

  265. mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    I don’t think the overall value of the Yanks will decline that much, if any at all, just because they might not be a good team in 3-5 years. The Dodgers had a couple decent years recently but weren’t very good and they fetched 2 billion. It’s all about the other assets that buying the Yanks brings and the opportunities it opens up.
    ====================
    Tyler-
    I wonder how much winning plays into the Dodger purchase?
    If they don’t and are like the Yanks of the 80′s will they sell?
    They remind me of those teams …

  266. blake December 10th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Youk would keep that horrible stache he had with the ChiSox last year because that’s allowed…..

  267. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    I wonder how much winning plays into the Dodger purchase?
    If they don’t and are like the Yanks of the 80?s will they sell?

    Given their media money & how much money baseball makes they can play with a 200 million payroll, collect 100+ million in profit each year, and not give a hoot about actually winning.

  268. blake December 10th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: James Shields just told us he would be open right now to talk about an extension with the Royals if they are interested “no doubt about it”

  269. ac1 December 10th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Youk would keep that horrible stache he had with the ChiSox last year because that’s allowed…..
    ___

    You would think being Tom Brady’s brother in law, he would have picked up a little something about presentation….

  270. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    It’s all about the other assets that buying the Yanks brings and the opportunities it opens up.

    ———————————-

    Exactly being owner of the Yankees opens up so many doors. Hell being manger of the Yankees has positive things too. Look how famous Torre became.

  271. jacksquat December 10th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    The right time to sell is when the team is what Hal wants it to be….a team with young exciting players and a mix of vets. Maybe the best time to sell is after 2016. Jeter, Tex, and CC are gone but A-rod is on for 1 more yr. Let’s say they keep Cano as an attractive piece. The rest of the team is some combination of young kids both starters and position players, a couple of free agents(but no extreme long term deals except Robbie), and trades. You’d would be turning over the biggest team in the sport with young impact players, a few vets, and a ton of room to make big signings if you wanted to.

    Something like this in 2014

    Gardner CF
    Jeter/Nunez SS
    Cano 2B
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    DH
    Tyler Austin RF
    Slade Heathcott LF
    C

    CC
    Pineda
    Nova
    Phelps

    Robertson

  272. ac1 December 10th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    Gardner CF
    Jeter/Nunez SS
    Cano 2B
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    DH
    Tyler Austin RF
    Slade Heathcott LF
    C
    ___

    I don’t think the Yankees will give Cano the years he wants….

  273. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    I don’t like the 14 rotation lol :(

  274. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    I forgot CC has an option for 17

  275. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    mick December 10th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    The Yankees are a brand that have value with or without any of those guys.. Someone could buy the brand and revamp it in a heartbeat.
    ==========
    YES. But wouldn’t Hal get more money from a buyer with a Hamilton and Cano on the team?

    ————-

    No.

    A buyer is buying the brand. Not the team as it is currently constructed. They won’t give a rat’s ass about that, they’ll be focused on making their own mark and probably would prefer to have as little money tied up in contracts as possible.

    The more they do these short term deals the more I’ll assume they’re going to just take $4 billion in cash and run.

  276. ac1 December 10th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    I don’t like the 14 rotation lol :(
    ___

    There will be plenty of veteran 1 year contracts out there to fill some spots in the rotation…

  277. blake December 10th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    “There will be plenty of veteran 1 year contracts out there to fill some spots in the rotation…”

    That will cost too much on a one year deal for tr budget

  278. ac1 December 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    That will cost too much on a one year deal for tr budget
    ____

    It’s a sad truth :(
    How did it ever come to this?

  279. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    mac – Good point. It must be illegal.

    In fact this reminds me of a questions I wanted to pose the lawyers yesterday… if you blow above the legal BAC while driving, does that mean you’re guilty of a DUI on the spot?

  280. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    ac1 December 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    That will cost too much on a one year deal for tr budget
    ____

    It’s a sad truth :(
    How did it ever come to this?

    —————

    By following the plan, ac1.

    The plan so secretive and nonsensical that none of us can figure out what it is… but there must be one and it must be that we just don’t like it, not that they would be foolish enough to try and wing it on one year deals.

  281. blake December 10th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    @Bronx_Bombers: NEWS Cut4: A-Rod addresses centaur paintings rumor http://t.co/NJf3CsWA #yankees #nyy #mlb

  282. blake December 10th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Best starting pitchers still available on the free agent market: 1. Anibal Sanchez 2. Kyle Lohse 3. Ryan Dempster 4. Edwin Jackson 5. Marcum

    Id rather have EJax than dempster

  283. ac1 December 10th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Id rather have EJax than dempster
    ___

    Dempster turned down 2/25 from the Sox. HE either believes he will get more of he is scared about pitching in the AL East.

  284. blake December 10th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Fenway is a bad match for Dempster

  285. ac1 December 10th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Fenway is a bad match for Dempster
    ___

    The AL in general is.

  286. Nick in SF December 10th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    “A lot of the real fans lost interest when they got relocated to crummy seats when the Yanks moved across the street.”

    Real fans????? Phhhhhh!

  287. NYY fan in NH December 10th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    FYI, the Mexican/American singer Jenni Rivera who died in a plane crash was the ex-wife of ex Yankee pitcher Esteban Loaiza. Thought that was interesting. Sad story..Never really heard of her before. Must be a west coast thing..

  288. mick December 10th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    What is a fan anyway?
    There are different degrees of fan seems to be the answer.

  289. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    So mick are you satisfied with the answers we gave you?

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