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Time for the Yankees to do something

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 10, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Baseball’s offseason usually heats up during the Winter Meetings. For the Yankees, maybe it will heat up the week after the Winter Meetings. Three things happened this weekend to indicate the market is opening, and the Yankees could be in a position to make a sign.

1. Zack Greinke agreed to terms with the Dodgers 
The market’s only truly elite starter has signed, and that opens up everything else. The bar is now set for free agent starters, and teams that wanted Greinke but aren’t sold on the remaining options could shift to an offensive Plan B. This could be especially true for the Rangers and Josh Hamilton. With the top pitcher off the market, the path might now be clear for the top hitter. And with that, dominoes should start to fall.

2. James Shields was traded to the Royals
Rumors of a Shields for Wil Myers trade have been bouncing around for a while, and the two sides reportedly finalized the deal late last night. Wade Davis is also going to the Royals, who desperately need pitching, while other prospects are heading to the Rays who continue to stock their organization with elite young players (and young players don’t get much more elite than Myers). The Shields deal could be an indication that Greinke’s signing really has kicked the market into gear.

3. Mark Reynolds signed with the Indians
This is the one that most directly affects the Yankees. Reynolds signing with Cleveland takes him out of the mix for the Yankees, and it possibly takes Kevin Youkilis out of the mix for the Idnaisn. That could open the door for the Yankees to sign Youkilis and fill the third base opening created by Alex Rodriguez’s upcoming hip surgery. Michael Young was also traded to the Phillies over the weekend, taking another potential third baseman out of the mix.

 
 

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242 Responses to “Time for the Yankees to do something”

  1. blake December 10th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Hey they are gonna sign Ichiro apparently…,,what more do you want?

  2. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Youk and Pedroia in Yankees uniform, that be kind of funny.

  3. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    blake, yanks are excellent team offensively if you simply rewind the clock to 2007. Also Cashman had more hair then.

  4. chicken little December 10th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    One can only hope, “Yankees Need to do Something” doesn’t yield a panic move. Josh Hamilton makes sense, but a panic move is paying Josh Hamilton $200 million over 8 years. I think the Royals panicked and hat is why they traded 4 prospects. Wil Meyers and perhaps one other prospect may have been justified, but the problem for KC will be if more than one of the prospects traded becomes something big. One can only hope the Yanks don’t gut the farm to get a 25 homer type guy …

  5. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Absolutely.

    We’re gonna move agressively on Youkilis, Ichiro, and Hairston.

    You read it here first folks.

    That’s big news.

    That and the fact that Hal now has his long hoped for monopoly on bandaids.

    He’s the H.L Hunt of the bandaid world.

    He’s finally cornered the Market.

    What a coup. Bravo Hal. Well done.

    :)

  6. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Ichiro and Youkilis. I must admit they were pretty darn good in 2007. That will be this week’s accomplishment. Bringing excitement back to the ballpark, one old guy at a time.

    Ichiro is a fine 4th outfielder. He is not fine as a starting corner outfielder on a good team. Even with the Yankees his OPS was under .800, and he will be hard pressed to get near that. In fact, no way it will happen.

  7. chicken little December 10th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Ichiro and Youk only make sense if a big bat is added to the lineup and there is a platoon type player on the team capable of playing with those guys. Relying on them full time is a mistake.

  8. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Hairston. Yes, buy high on a career year in which he was still not good enough to play daily for the Mets. I agree, next on the cheap, one year agenda.

  9. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    RePost-

    The Rays are probably worse right now:

    They lost their leader in homers and RBI’s-Upton
    They lost their leader in BA-Keppinger

    They lost Shields and Davis, and Davis is probably going to better going forward for the Royals.

    Their rotation is still good with Price, Moore from the left side and righties Hellickson, Niemann, Cobb and Archer.

    Then they still have the best GM, group of statistical advisors, John Maddon, and “The Shift”

  10. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Mac, one can argue that Yanks did not buy high on Keppinger and Chavez and is about to buy low on Youk. That is a statement of fact.

  11. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    #1 – All that deal tells me is that the Yankees could have put together a package for Myers that wouldn’t have killed them.

    #2 – Chad is trying to incite a riot with this post.

  12. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    The Rays are the Henry Ford of baseball.

    They just keep turning out affordable model T’s and A’s from their pitching assembly line.

    Pitchers who are both reliable as well as affordable and good transport.

    Pitching for the masses.

    :)

  13. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    oh, I can easily see AJP jacking 20 hrs at YS3 while maintain high contactiblity.

  14. BIG AL December 10th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Youkilis in a Yankees uniform makes me sick!

    The best thing that could happen to this team would be a 3rd or 4th place finish in 2013, empty seats in YS and Hal selling the team.

    Perhaps then we could get serious, and return to being the real NYY, not this shadow of what once was.

  15. rogyanks December 10th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Please!!!

    The Rays and Royals had NOTHING to do with the market opening up. They can’t afford to be in a Market that’s why it was a TRADE. Nice try.

    I’m so glad Reynolds took his 200 SO’s to the Indians. Can you imagine him anywhere close to
    Grandy in this line-up?

    Sign Youk, Ichiro, and Ibanez and I’ll almost be happy.

  16. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    #1 – All that deal tells me is that the Yankees could have put together a package for Myers that wouldn’t have killed them.
    ——
    like whom?

  17. BIG AL December 10th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Later …………

  18. blake December 10th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Youk ain’t coming….he would have taken that 12 million and ran by now if he was IMO

  19. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    and I’ll almost be happy.
    ————-

    What would make you completely happy?

  20. 86w183 December 10th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    All that deal tells me is that the Yankees could have put together a package for Myers that wouldn’t have killed them.

    ************************************************************************

    Not with pitching they couldn’t…. unless you’re thinking Hughes, Nova AND Phelps

  21. spidanyc December 10th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Are the Yankees bidding against themselves for Youk at 1 year for $12 million? 1 year at $7 million would be the hughest Cashman should go. Doesn’t make any sense at all to me with that ridiculous offer.

  22. djsunyc December 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    so now everyone here loves friedman.

    i bet everyone would’ve wanted omar minaya back in the day also.

  23. chicken little December 10th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    The only starter the Yankees have that could net Myers is Sabathia. Its pretty obvious that was never going to happen. KC has no need for a bunch of #3-5 type starters, whether individually or collectively.

  24. blake December 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    The Royals wanted a frontline type guy….. Sonindont think the Yanks had anybody like that to offer.

  25. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    The Yankees couldn’t have matched that package for Myers alone.

    Two starters- Shields who has like 6 straight seasons of 200 or more innings and Davis who should be used as a starter, as the Royals BP is pretty good.

  26. blake December 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    “i bet everyone would’ve wanted omar minaya back in the day also.”

    Nope

  27. djsunyc December 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    spidanyc December 10th, 2012 at 9:17 am
    Are the Yankees bidding against themselves for Youk at 1 year for $12 million? 1 year at $7 million would be the hughest Cashman should go. Doesn’t make any sense at all to me with that ridiculous offer.

    ———

    he was discussing a 2 year offer from the indians the time we put in our bid. for an older player, multi-years is probably a safer contract to sign so we had to blow him away on a one year deal.

    secondly, it doesn’t matter what we pay anybody for this year. the entire issue is that we won’t be able to spend in 2014. so who cares if he gets 12 for one year, it doesn’t effect anything else we plan to do.

  28. blake December 10th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    What Im interested now in is what the Rangers do….Shields was a plan B for them should Greinke choose LA and now that’s gone….

  29. MTU December 10th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    I wish the Yankees were continuing to mop the floor with the competition.

    Unfortunately, I’ll just have to settle for walking some Mops.

    Later.

    :)

  30. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    sign Hamilton, blake.

  31. blake December 10th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Cashmoney says:
    December 10, 2012 at 9:23 am
    sign Hamilton, blake.

    He can’t pitch …. They want to add a pitcher too

  32. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    $12 million is buying low?

  33. randy l. December 10th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    “They just keep turning out affordable model T’s and A’s from their pitching assembly line.”

    mtu-

    as i told blake, i stumbled onto part of that process of turning out pitchers. it’s not rocket surgery what they do though they obviously have some very smart people at the top of the organization.

    “they” have some really good coaches to implement upper management plans. the rays would not be successful if they just had a bunch of nate silvers at the top of their management. somehow they have assembled a management team that has the statistical analysis crowd mixed with solid baseball guys on the field coaching.

    i’m sure they make their share of mistakes because it is a probability game after all, but you get the feeling they simply do a better job of coming up with a plan and then making it happen over a period of years.

    archer came in a garza trade and gets his chance after being developed by the rays in a shields trade.
    it was planned and not just a stop gap emergency thing.

  34. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    I don’t think Shields = CC but yeah I totally would have done Hughes, Nova/Phelps, a BP arm, and a position prospect. How far does two years of Shields take you when you’re the Royals? I think Detroit and the WS are still better teams, even with this move.

    I mean.. if Davis ends up being a good starter that’s another story I suppose. I just dunno how much faith I’d put in him making that transition smoothly.

  35. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    I’d rather the Yankees pull the offer for Youkilis and see if Pierzynski will take the 12M.

    How bad is his defense? His SB% last year was .738. Martin’s was .759, Stewart’s .771. Are the WS pitchers really any better at holding runners on?

  36. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    $12 million is buying low?
    ——
    Yes, they are buying the 12 version of him and hoping for 10 or even 11 version of Youk. 12 mil would be low if Youk can ops 840 which is what Tex getting pay for at 23 last two years.

  37. RespectTheGame December 10th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Youk’s just waitin’ for the ink to dry from his donors’ (Red Sox fans) checks to his charity on Friday nite before he signs with the Yanks.

    And I don’t blame him:D

  38. brianlopez22 December 10th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Clearly, the best move is to:
    sign Hamilton and Ichiro
    Trade Granderson
    fill 3B and C internally

    Instead we are looking at:
    Signing PUKE, Cody Ross and Ichiro.
    Filling C internally
    Finishing in 4th place

  39. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Maybe they’re trying a different tactic and instead of driving prices up on ALL the players they’ll just talk about how they don’t like their defense to try and snap them up at a bargain!! Yeah… I’m reaching. But I’d rather have AJP than Youk as well.

  40. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    The Yankees are buying the 2013 Youkilis. The calendar goes forward.

  41. blake December 10th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    “Yes, they are buying the 12 version of him and hoping for 10 or even 11 version of Youk. 12 mil would be low if Youk can ops 840 which is what Tex getting pay for at 23 last two years.”

    He hasn’t played 130 games since 2009…..I think the point is that that money could probably be better spent elsewhere given his health and recent production…..like on a catcher

  42. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    He can’t pitch …. They want to add a pitcher too
    ——-
    they are looking to add an impact pitcher blake. There is none to had in FA, you can venture a trade … but I think they will try to sign the next impact thing (Hamilton) and roll with what they have while keeping eyes on what’s left. It’s the most logical thing to do when you have an intelligent GM like Daniel.

  43. 86w183 December 10th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Davis has made 64 starts for Tampa Bay (25-22, 4.22) from 2009-11. Last year was his first in the pen and he was very good.

    There’s a bit of a Phil Hughes parallel there.

    YT — I agree $ 12 M for Pierzinski would be a better purchase. I’d love to see a Pierzinski/Romine combo behind the plate in 2014. Ross/Ichiro for RF would work too. I don’t expect a full-time DH, but would welcome Ibanez back against RHP.

  44. brianlopez22 December 10th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    blake -

    Why do you want AJP?
    He is notoriously a terrible locker room guy
    the Yankees don’t sign those type of players.
    At least, not under Girardi.

    I don’t want Youk or AJP.

  45. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    He hasn’t played 130 games since 2009…..I think the point is that that money could probably be better spent elsewhere given his health and recent production…..like on a catcher
    ——–
    the point is so far there is little inclination that they want to spent on a catcher which really we are just talking about AJP. There is no indication he will take one year either at 12 mil. Would I prefer them to do that, Yes. But I don’t think they will. so Youk is not the end of world to me because he could have possible upside and is only one year deal when consider risk involved.

  46. joeman December 10th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Clears the way for Youkilis to the Yankees..great can’t wait

  47. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    The Yankees are now looking at Stewart[ 8 passed balls in limited playing time], and Cervelli[ whose idea of framing pitches is constant movement behind the plate]. Romine goes back to AAA for more “seasoning”

    The Yankees need a catcher. Maybe their plan is to use Tona Pena………senior!

  48. JoeyVegas December 10th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Any chance the Yanks have a trade in place for Granderson and are waiting for him to return from Japan?

  49. joeman December 10th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    really…..pull the offer to Youkilis before he accepts it

  50. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    really haven’t heard that AJP is a bad teammate… just the fact he is hated along with Swisher and Arod by other millionaires.

  51. joeman December 10th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Cervelli couldn’t even beat Stewart out of a job in the 2012 season…

  52. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    86w183 December 10th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Davis has made 64 starts for Tampa Bay (25-22, 4.22) from 2009-11. Last year was his first in the pen and he was very good.

    There’s a bit of a Phil Hughes parallel there.

    ————–

    Ahhh, I see.. I still think you get around 400 solid innings from Hughes and Nova but I do get the appeal of Shields. I just don’t know that he puts them over the edge in that division (even though it’s weak).

    But whatevs.. we weren’t gonna make that kinda move anyway I guess. I’m starting to doubt if they’ll trade Grandy.

  53. RespectTheGame December 10th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    No wonder Cash used very derogatory terms when describing the available FA’s left.

    Sad you have to sign players you think so little of.

  54. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    I don’t think the Yankees have a trade in place for Granderson, unless they are willing to sell low. They have been shopping him for a month now.

    As far as Wade Davis goes, 5 homers in 70.1 innings last season. Hughes 35 homers in 191.1. I’d trade Hughes straight up for Davis if given the chance, especially since Hughes is a FA after next season.

  55. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    I believe Youkilis does lead in one category……getting drilled as his way of getting on first!

  56. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 9:33 am
    The Yankees are buying the 2013 Youkilis. The calendar goes forward.
    ——
    So we are discounting the possibility of Youk can possibly rebound at the age of 34? I think so and which I presume you don’t. only time will tell in that sense. all I am saying Mac is, it’s not as bad of deal to add Youk at that price and at that length. Age, Durability and 3b is definitely a concern.

  57. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    YT, Youk still gets on base at a pretty good rate. He also have a big head, an attractive one some might argue.

  58. blake December 10th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    “Why do you want AJP?
    He is notoriously a terrible locker room guy
    the Yankees don’t sign those type of players.
    At least, not under Girardi.”

    Guys on other teams don’t like him…..from what I know his Chicago teammates love him

  59. Jackson December 10th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Could the Yankees have traded 2 of Phelps/Nova/Hughes to the Royals for the same return? And, would you have done it?

  60. blake December 10th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    “the point is so far there is little inclination that they want to spent on a catcher which really we are just talking about AJP”

    That’s crazy….their current catching situation is abysmal

  61. 86w183 December 10th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Davis gave up 49 HR in 378 innings as a starter. .. and he wasnt pitching in NYS half the time.

  62. brianlopez22 December 10th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    YT –

    That is not a fair comparison as Wade was in the bullpen last year.
    In 2009, Hughes had 86.0 innings pitched with only 8 HR allowed, out of the bullpen.

  63. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    I am not sure what they are thinking blake, that is why most of us are b*tching about.

  64. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    djsunyc December 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    so now everyone here loves friedman.

    i bet everyone would’ve wanted omar minaya back in the day also.

    ————————–

    Omar is no where close to Friedman.

  65. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Davis went to the bullpen because he wasn’t a very good starter. Hughes went to the bullpen because he didn’t want to go back to AAA.

  66. 86w183 December 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Jackson — it would have taken all three and no, I wouldn’t. IF two of three would have done it I would have been very tempted, especially if one of the two was Hughes.

    Look at it this way… would you trade those three for Shields and Davis?

  67. brianlopez22 December 10th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    “Could the Yankees have traded 2 of Phelps/Nova/Hughes to the Royals for the same return? And, would you have done it?

    KC would not have done this.
    They wanted an ace.

  68. blake December 10th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Jackson says:
    December 10, 2012 at 9:55 am
    Could the Yankees have traded 2 of Phelps/Nova/Hughes to the Royals for the same return? And, would you have done it?

    I would have….highly doubt the Royals would

  69. blake December 10th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    The Yankees current situation consists of two bad back ups and a rookie…..if they were going to let Martin go and not get somebody to replace him then they should have at least signing a better back up to pair with Romjne.

    I think they are gonna sign AJP simply because they almost have to if they want to win next year

  70. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Could the Yankees have traded 2 of Phelps/Nova/Hughes to the Royals for the same return? And, would you have done it?
    —————————————

    As far as Wade Davis goes, 5 homers in 70.1 innings last season. Hughes 35 homers in 191.1. I’d trade Hughes straight up for Davis if given the chance, especially since Hughes is a FA after next season.

    So my answer is NO the return would not have even netted Myers alone.

    Yes I would have done that trade if the Yankees had signed Dan Haren first.

  71. AAA December 10th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    YT, Youk still gets on base at a pretty good rate. He also have a big head, an attractive one some might argue.

    ===============================

    Also leads the league in out-kicking his coverage when it comes to marryin’.

  72. 86w183 December 10th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Davis went to the bullpen because he wasn’t a very good starter.

    *****************************************************

    I don’t agree at all. Davis’ ERA was 4.22 in his first 64 starts. He was consistently going six innings and was 26 years old.

    He went to the pen because he was the sixth best starter for Tampa Bay.

  73. AAA December 10th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Could the Yankees have traded 2 of Phelps/Nova/Hughes to the Royals for the same return? And, would you have done it?

    ========================================

    Would have done it, but doubt the Royals would.

  74. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    I get why most of the Yankee fans hate Youk, well, I couldn’t stand him in Bosox uniform. matter of fact, Yankees ought to make Youk bobblehead dolls so most of the fans can punch it at home. That will all change when he hits a gaming winning hr and charlie hustle his way to a doulbe.. then the rationalization will start.

  75. MaineYankee December 10th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    blake

    That’s crazy….their current catching situation is abysmal

    ——————————————————————————–

    Has there been a season when the roster was set by Dec. 10?

  76. brianlopez22 December 10th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Trader,

    As you reposted your argument of trading Hughes for Wade Davis straight up, I will repost my rebuttal:

    YT –

    That is not a fair comparison as Wade was in the bullpen last year.
    In 2009, Hughes had 86.0 innings pitched with only 8 HR allowed, out of the bullpen.

  77. AAA December 10th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Guys on other teams don’t like him…..from what I know his Chicago teammates love him

    ===================================

    Back in the late 80′s, early 90′s, this was known as the Bill Laimbeer effect.

  78. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Blake-

    Had the Yankees FO targeted David Ross and signed him for the 2 years, 6.2M, I’d feel a lot better about pairing him with Romine. But he doesn’t fit the Yankees new mantra of signing FA’s to “one and gone.”

  79. AAA December 10th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Davis went to the bullpen because he wasn’t a very good starter

    =================================

    Some truth in this, but I think it’s more fair to say he went to the pen because his team had better options for the rotation, which is something the majority of teams in baseball probably cannot say.

  80. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    YT, that’s too much to ask. Cashman can’t possibly engage at two fronts at once. He came from the Von Schileffen school of GM.

  81. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    that’s a great trade, very daring on both sides. the royals keep trying and their fanbase sure deserves to see a winner out there. the rays just reload.

    several of us were on here last night saying a big trade was going to happen and break the ice, we just didnt know it was going to happen within minutes…

  82. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    MaineYankee,

    Has there ever been a season in which the Yankees wouldn’t give a two year contract?

    We all can read a calendar. The problem is the Yankees have limited themselves by the absurd unwillingness to contract into 2014, even if it is a reasonable contract. That leaves only older, unwanted players who must take a one year deal.

    Again, anyone who supports there method of operation, explain how they will fill the 12 or more players in 2014 under a very limited budget. I would like to understand it.

  83. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Brian-

    Thanks for the rebuttal. I agree if you are comparing numbers based on Hughes in 2009.

    However Hughes is a FA at end of 2013 season and Wade Davis is controlled:

    13:$2.8M, 14:$4.8M, 15:$7M club option, 16:$8M club option, 17:$10M club option ($2.5M buyout)

  84. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Has there been a season in the last thirty years in which any team wouldn’t enter a multi year contract? Proud to be a groundbreaker.

  85. MaineYankee December 10th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Serious question.

    If Davis was a good starter why didn’t Tampa trade a SP last year for more offense rather than waste Davis in the BP?

  86. blake December 10th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    “Has there been a season when the roster was set by Dec. 10?”

    I didn’t say it was….I said currently was abysmal which is why I think they will sign AJP

  87. blake December 10th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    “Back in the late 80?s, early 90?s, this was known as the Bill Laimbeer effect.”

    Maybe the the Yanks could use a guy with a little edge to him…..

  88. blake December 10th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    I think Davis had the stuff to be a good starter ….whether he will or not I have no idea

  89. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    You can now vote on MLBTRs on which team did better in this trade-Royals or Rays.

  90. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Tampa Bay very smartly gets there young players to sign potential long term deals with club options. They do it repeatedly. It makes there players controllable and tradeable.

    The Yankees cannot continue to do business as usual if they are not going to do business as usual.

  91. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Kind of surprised that the Yanks haven’t looked at Cody Ross (or at least I haven’t heard that they have). Might be able to get him on a 1 year deal and he’s a pretty solid hitter. Did well with Boston last year and pounds left-handed pitching. The Yanks lineup is pretty vulnerable to lefties with Cano not hitting well against them last year and guys like Granderson. He seems like he’d be a decent pickup and could come for only a short time which seems to be requirement number 1 of the Yanks these days.

  92. blake December 10th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    @BNightengale: David Glass, owner of the #Royals, made it lear to his front offfice that he was demanding a contender his year or else: Now he’s got one.

    A contender-ish team …..shields then a bunch of 4s and. 5s still isn’t a great rotation

  93. blake December 10th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    The two issues with Ross are that 1) I don’t know if he’s take a 1 year deal 2) in doubt he’d sign up for the lesser end of a platoon

  94. brianlopez22 December 10th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Trader,

    I agree that Wade Davis is more cost effective, but more effective as a starter based on his year in the bullpen is still a mystery.
    in KC, he is definitely better than Guthrie as a starter. So I can see him filling in nicely.

    As for Hughes, if he continue to give up 35 HR, what’s his worth going to be? probably not much.
    Is he a good starter, yes.
    Is he a great starter, probably not. He can prove me wrong.

    I am more concerned with resigning Cano than resigning Hughes.
    If he proves me wrong, he’ll deserve his 10 mm/yr.

  95. blake December 10th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    @wilmyers: Wanted to thank the #Royals organization and fans for supporting me so much over the last few years. I’m excited to join @RaysBaseball!

  96. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    Tyler,

    I would prefer Ross to Hairston. it all depends, I would guess, on the willingness to do a one year contract. they are klikely waiting to see who, if anyone, would do that. Players are going to wait out a multi year deal. No one wants to be a nomad annually.

  97. Cashmoney December 10th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    Tyler, KC must feel like a redhead stepchild of the Cardinals… sort of similar of that of the Mets to the Yanks… but i would imaging if you haven’t even sniff playoff in like 15 years…it’s more so.

  98. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    The prospects the Rays received could always bust so I’m hesitant to call it a huge win at this point for Tampa but you have to like what they received. Myers could be a huge bat to pair with Longoria. Odorizzi is pretty nasty too… we faced him in AAU. He definitely has the potential to be another Shields or even better. He’d be a really good #2 on a championship contender. Also, if any team can get the most of Montgomry, it’s Tampa unfortunately. The guy has ability, he just needs to get stuff figured out.

  99. MaineYankee December 10th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    austinmac

    I’m more inclined to wait and see how things develop before I make a judgement.

    People say they have no plan but what do they base it on?

    If you seriously think they have no plan I just don’t get it.

    Don’t ask me what it is because to answer would be just speculation not fact.

  100. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Have to go.

    As always, I enjoy the morning chats.

    Have a great day everyone and maybe today is the day the Yankees trade for that young corner power outfielder! :)

    Until later.

  101. randy l. December 10th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    totally random thought.

    if jeter really loved the yankees more than his salary, why wouldn’t he play for a very low salary in 2014 to help out the yankees if they really are between a rock and a hard place?

    i mean he’s set for life. he doesn’t really need another 15 -20 million.

    i’m not saying he should. i’m juts saying it’s an option he’d have that would help the yankees. of course , he and his agent probably now more about the yankee finances than we do and it’s probably that he’d rather have the 15 -20 million than have hal and hank have it.

    jeter probably doesn’t believe that the yankees have a lousy cather, third baseman ,and right fielder
    because he’s making too much money.

    which gets back to what is really going on with the yankees?
    we’ll know in five years of course because we’ll see what happened, but the trick is figuring it out ahead of time. there’s definitely something weird going on in yankeeland because moderate thoughtful fans like blake and austin mac have turned totally cynical against ownership.

    this previously was my gig only. when people in the middle of the spectrum turn on ownership, the yankees really do have a problem.

  102. blake December 10th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    I think Moore was feeling best from ownership to win now and his best way to do that is to get the bet pitcher he can…..I don’t know if it’s in the best interest of the organization but the GM is gonna try to save their job first then worry about the future later

  103. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    It really does depend on the 1 year deal with Ross which I’m not sure he’d take. I think you guys are all correct in thinking that he’ll bide his team some before taking that type of deal. He’s seems to be a guy in his career who has had no problem bouncing from team to team so hopefully it’s something he’d consider down the road. I’d sweeten the deal money-wise for just a 1 year offer. This team needs a solid right handed bat. He’s far from a superstar but would look good in the 6th or 7th spot in this lineup.

  104. 86w183 December 10th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    If Davis was a good starter why didn’t Tampa trade a SP last year for more offense rather than waste Davis in the BP?

    ***************************************************************************

    Because, as many here fail to grasp not everyone wants to give you what you want for your player. If the Rays had been offered a good enough hitter (in their mind) for Davis they would have traded him.

    People here think it’s a snap to deal guys for what you want, but it isn’t.

    Granderson at $ 15 M for one year is NOT easy to deal. Not even close. You have to find a team that is a contender AND needs a LH power bat for the OF AND can afford that contract AND doesn’t want him multiple years AND will give you what you want in return.

    Good luck with that.

  105. blake December 10th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    “if jeter really loved the yankees more than his salary, why wouldn’t he play for a very low salary in 2014 to help out the yankees if they really are between a rock and a hard place?”

    Cause he has a contract and the union would my let him do it……I actually wouldn’t want Jeter to give up his money just to help line Hals pockets

  106. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    I don’t agree at all. Davis’ ERA was 4.22 in his first 64 starts. He was consistently going six innings and was 26 years old.

    He went to the pen because he was the sixth best starter for Tampa Bay.

    Yea that 4.22 ERA is below average because Tropicana is a pitcher’s park. He was even worse on the road. More importantly look at the numbers. Gives up a hit per inning, walks 3 per 9, gives up 1 HR per 9, and doesn’t strike anyone out. He was having a lot of trouble translating his talent into effective outcomes as a starter. When they put him in relief he was able to improve his strike out ability (by double!). I do not see him maintaining that as a starter. He was getting actively worse as a starter on the Rays.

    In 2011 he had a higher than league average starter ERA in a park where he’d still be below average if he was under the league number. Its like saying a guy with 4.2 ERA in Petco is doing fine.

  107. blake December 10th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    “Granderson at $ 15 M for one year is NOT easy to deal. Not even close”

    Have you seen this market? Shane Victorino got 13 million per…..they could move Granderson….the question is what they’d get back….they might would have to eat a little money to get better players back though

  108. AAA December 10th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    if jeter really loved the yankees more than his salary, why wouldn’t he play for a very low salary in 2014 to help out the yankees if they really are between a rock and a hard place?

    ==========================================

    He is. He’s getting $8M, $3M of which the Yankees would have to pay whether he plays or not. Problem is he counts as $14M against the luxury tax number.

  109. MaineYankee December 10th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    blake December 10th, 2012 at 10:18 am
    @BNightengale: David Glass, owner of the #Royals, made it lear to his front offfice that he was demanding a contender his year or else: Now he’s got one.

    A contender-ish team …..shields then a bunch of 4s and. 5s still isn’t a great rotation

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    Interesting quote.

    I think I remember in the past the complaint was that Glass wouldn’t spend enough to be a contender even though he had the funds.

  110. jacksquat December 10th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Vs rhp

    Jeter ss
    Ichiro rf
    Cano 2b
    Tex 1b
    Granderson lf
    Youkilis 3b
    Pierzynski c
    Ibanez dh
    Gardner cf

    Vs lhp

    Jeter dh
    Ichiro rf
    Tex 1b
    Cano 2b
    Youkilis 3b
    Granderson lf
    Shoppach c (career .868 OPS vs lhp)
    Nunez ss
    Gardner cf

    Pick up a rh of bat.

    If you can only add patchwork, one year guys, can you do better than that? Contender?

  111. blake December 10th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    The Braves are a perfect for for Grandy…..they are a contender….they need an outfielder….they love high character guys….and they have players to deal.

  112. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Cashmoney-

    I have quite a few college friends from KC and I think people in KC are just apathetic to baseball at this point. There’s definitely some “little brother syndrome” in regards to the Cardinals but they have such a losing culture there that it just seems expected at this point.

  113. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    One of my big complaints about this trade, besides the massive overpay, is that a team which trades for 2 years of James Shields should be damn sure they are in position to make the playoffs. The royals are not. They are not a wild card team, they are not better than the Tigers, they probably are not better than the White Sox. A team which is already comfortably built should be taking on Shields to augment a run.

    The Royals are not in a contention window, and by the time they get there Shields will be off their team. For Moore’s sake, because having a bad GM on a team with lots of prospects can help the yankees, I hope his team is the orioles of 2013 and makes it into the playoffs.

  114. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Interesting quote.

    I think I remember in the past the complaint was that Glass wouldn’t spend enough to be a contender even though he had the funds.
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    It was. David Glass is absolutely loaded but used to throw almost no money into the team. He changed some recently when Moore became GM and went out and got guys like Gil Meche for 55 million… nothing seems to work out with either philosophy, haha. Should have just used that money to keep guys like Damon, Dye, and Beltran in KC.

  115. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    What a great development – Shields out of the AL East, Rangers do not get Shields, now the Rangers will turn their attention to Upton and possibly Annibal Sanchez or Dickey and might have to overpay for a pitcher. As for the Rays – they continue live with the haunting memory of Beckham over Posey – - – -

  116. AAA December 10th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Granderson at $ 15 M for one year is NOT easy to deal. Not even close. You have to find a team that is a contender AND needs a LH power bat for the OF AND can afford that contract AND doesn’t want him multiple years AND will give you what you want in return.

    ================================

    Yeah, the return would be the problem. Don’t think there’d be Top 50 prospect type return. Maybe not even Top 100.

  117. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 10:33 am
    What a great development – Shields out of the AL East, Rangers do not get Shields, now the Rangers will turn their attention to Upton and possibly Annibal Sanchez or Dickey and might have to overpay for a pitcher. As for the Rays – they continue live with the haunting memory of Beckham over Posey – – – -
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    All of this may be true but the Rays just got a lot of cheap, team-controlled talent which is always scary.

  118. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    One GM told Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports that “Myers is no slam dunk” and added that this is “far from a lopsided deal.” Rosenthal suggests teams like the Royals can too often get fixated on their prospects and pass on opportunities to compete.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#EsR08f4kHz6sX5YJ.99

  119. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    I would not mind a Granderson and other piece(s) for Delgado and Ahmed – - – -

  120. 86w183 December 10th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    I don’t see Jeter offering up a huge discount while A-Rod cashes in on his preposterous contract. Now if ALEX were to go to management and offer to re-negotiate downward THAT would mean something.

    The MLBPA would fight him on it, but Alex would have his way if he wanted to because no one has done more to raise salaries in MLB than him in the last 10 years.

    As for Kansas City…. you can’t just keep accumulating prospects. At some point you have to make a short term move to try and return to the post-season. The trade makes them a better team in 2013; one that might be capable of winning the AL Central.

  121. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    As for Kansas City…. you can’t just keep accumulating prospects. At some point you have to make a short term move to try and return to the post-season. The trade makes them a better team in 2013; one that might be capable of winning the AL Central.

    They could have probably got RA Dickey & Ryan Niese for less prospects than they sent to Tampa.

  122. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Wil Myers isn’t even a prospect they are accumulating. He is a guy that could have been their starting RFer. Instead they have Jeff Francouer which is lol

  123. randy l. December 10th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    “People say they have no plan but what do they base it on?

    If you seriously think they have no plan I just don’t get it.”

    maine yankee-

    i think the yankees have a plan. i just think they aren’t that good at executing it.
    hal has long talked about having young players come from the system to replace aging players. he’s talked about doing this rather than restocking with expensive free agents.

    that’s a nice plan hal has there if he actually made it happen it.
    the problem is that he hasn’t made a system that produces enough young talent ready made for the majors.

    in short hal talks a good game, but he doesn’t walk the talk.

    time to put up or shut up for him.

    or as his dad said,” lead, follow ,or get the hell out of the way.”

    i’m hoping it’s plan C.

    by the way,glad to hear you’re doing better physically.

    getting older isn’t something that just affects jeter and alex :)

  124. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    I know that there have been rumors that Myers has had some attitude problems but look at those AAA numbers as a 21 year old! I don’t care if it’s a hitters league, he needs to keep that attitude problem going, haha.

  125. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    Anibel Sanchez + Wade Davis + Wil Myers for 6 years > James Shields + Wade Davis, imo

  126. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    funny you should complain about the yankees plan then quote george.

    his plan was always whichever shiny object was signable, he’d overpay for him.

  127. 86w183 December 10th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Anibel Sanchez + Wade Davis + Wil Myers for 6 years > James Shields + Wade Davis, imo

    ***********************************************************************

    I agree, but how the hell does that happen? You KNOW that Sanchez will sign with Kansas City? You KNOW that Davis can be had for the lesser prospects in the deal?

  128. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    I agree, but how the hell does that happen? You KNOW that Sanchez will sign with Kansas City? You KNOW that Davis can be had for the lesser prospects in the deal?

    I think the reliever Wade Davis can be had for not Wil Myers and likely for not a top prospect. Sanchez is not signed, he is an option. They could sign Kyle Lohse. Kyle Lohse or Sanchez + Myers > trading all of them for Shields.

  129. 86w183 December 10th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Lohse or Sanchez would cost a lot more $$$ than Shields, too…. in AAV and total years of commitment.

    And I doubt either is dying to sign with the Royals in hopes of being on a contender.

  130. MaineYankee December 10th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    randy

    by the way,glad to hear you’re doing better physically.

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    Thanks (I guess) :D :

    I’m not as much as a cynic as you are.

  131. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    YSGuy,

    Plan for 2014 numerous open roster spots?

    Maybe Hal has the secret plan he can’t announce like Nixon’s 1968 plan to end the war.

  132. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    “Plan for 2014 numerous open roster spots?”
    =================================
    sign or trade for them.

    same as it ever was…

  133. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Here are the 2014 free agents. You need to pick 21 for under 60 million.

  134. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....gents.html

  135. jacksquat December 10th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Guthrie had a 3.16 ERA with the Royals last year after he went there. Santana was bad last year but had a 3.38 ERA in 2011, so there is hope there.

    The Royals need a few things to go right to have a shot.

    IMO if they are going for it, they should go all in and trade for Dickey, sign Hamilton. :)

  136. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    kudos to the royals, good luck to them. their excellent though sparse fans deserve a winner.

  137. blake December 10th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    @mlbtraderumors: Yankees Likely To Re-Sign Ichiro http://t.co/LCSg8LLr #mlb

  138. RMS December 10th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    I don’t mind signing Ichiro. He won’t cost 12 million and will hit higher than .235. And he doesn’t play old. He can still steal and plays solid defense with a good arm.

    Don’t want Youk. You can live with Nunez and Nix. Defense will suffer with Nunez but is he such a downgrade over Youk? I think not. Put the 12 million to better use.

  139. blake December 10th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    “Yeah, the return would be the problem. Don’t think there’d be Top 50 prospect type return. Maybe not even Top 100.”

    I think it just depends on the team….and how bad they want to win now….and how big the hole is that Grandy would fill…..

  140. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    last year the royals, in the smallest market in baseball, drew 1.7 million fans, the same as seattle and ahead of oakland (the baseball story of the year) and houston (5th largest city in the u.s.).

    they have loyal fans, not a ton of them, and many have remained true going back to the george brett days.

  141. blake December 10th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    The Ichiro signing is fine so long as its part of a bigger plan …..if they are just planning on having a Gardner, Granderson , Ichiro OF next year then that’s not good enough

  142. blake December 10th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    I understand why KC made this deal…..in some ways it’s like the Nats signing Werth…..everyone knew it was an overpay but it sorta broke the seal for them

    KC needs to put themselves on the map….perhaps Shields can get them to the playoffs in the next two years and they can legitimize themselves and build on that…..

    Didn’t like the deal in players….but I get why they did it

  143. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    ” RMS December 10th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    I don’t mind signing Ichiro. He won’t cost 12 million and will hit higher than .235. And he doesn’t play old. He can still steal and plays solid defense with a good arm.

    Don’t want Youk. You can live with Nunez and Nix. Defense will suffer with Nunez but is he such a downgrade over Youk? I think not. Put the 12 million to better use.”
    ——————————————————————————-

    agreed except i think ichiro can’t be your every day guy. his production was best once joe was able to sit him every now and then. he’s going to be 39. i dont think you need a straight-up platoon, but you will get more out of ichi if he can sit once or twice a week.

    given the opportunity, i believe the in-house options at third will do as well and be more dependable than youkilis.

    hold you nose and sign ajp

  144. blake December 10th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Id much rather have Shields for Myers than a guy with a half season track record and a torn labrum :(

  145. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    all the major parts in that upton/cabrera mega deal are all still sitting out there, plus all the players from the 3 or 4 other teams that were involved. Let’s make something happen out there!

  146. blake December 10th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    At the very least they need to acquire the best platoon partner for Ichiro they can…..

    With Arod out….and Martin gone…and Swisher gone…..and Jeter coming back from ankle surgery this club is gonna be very susceptible to LHP…..and there are a lot of good lefties in the AL east

  147. randy l. December 10th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    “I’m not as much as a cynic as you are.”

    maine yankee-

    i’m not a cynic at all . i haven’t had a job since i was in very early twenties. have worked for myself since. i’ve developed pretty good radar at being able to tell doers from fakers.

    i think hank and hal are fakers. i think it is very hard for them to attract real baseball people because of this . the thing the rays do is have authenticity. when you step on one of their minor league fields you see basic solid work being done. all the coaches seem to work together well.what they learn at one level translates to the next level.

    i just don’t see this with the yankees. that said, i was glad to hear they added gil patterson back as a yankee pitching coach.

    the yankees need regime change. it’s going to happen. the question is when. the sooner the better as far as i’m concerned.

  148. brianlopez22 December 10th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    “The Ichiro signing is fine so long as its part of a bigger plan …..if they are just planning on having a Gardner, Granderson , Ichiro OF next year then that’s not good enough

    100% agreed.
    This OF plus PUKE at 3B and Romine behind the plate is simply terrible.

  149. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    yeah the rays are the best there is……except for that part about how the yankees beat them every year.

  150. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    yeah the rays are the best there is……except for that part about how the yankees beat them every year.

    2008 & 2010 do not exist where you come from?

  151. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    there was no advantage to beating themin 2010 so the yankees didnt try. now about championships….

  152. Triple Short of a Cycle December 10th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    yeah the rays are the best there is……except for that part about how the yankees beat them every year

    ——————————————

    Give the 2 teams the same payroll and see how often the Yanks beat the Rays

  153. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Ys Guy,

    That $60 million needs to get a bunch of players. They need 21 more. No problem. Free agents are cheap. Trades are easy. They will just need to sign and trade for more than half of the team.

    Do you really think that is a good plan? Or are you just being contrary? Which, for the record, is fine too.

  154. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    “Give the 2 teams the same payroll and see how often the Yanks beat the Rays
    ——————————————————————————————
    you could say that about other teams for 115 years. that’s most likely why you are a yankee fan in the first place.

  155. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    what $60 million? are you talking about next year?

    everybody’s freaking about 2013′s team when it’s only dec 9th and now you’re gonna start freaking about next year’s team and putting a payroll limit there?

    go right ahead and freak. i’ve got a buisness to run.

    if i’m still alive next year i’ll start freakin about the 2014 yankees, (but not on december 9th)

  156. randy l. December 10th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    “yeah the rays are the best there is……except for that part about how the yankees beat them every year.”

    i guess it’s like park factor.

    if there was a dollar /win metric the rays have to be kicking the yankees butt.

    you can have your head in the sand and act like the yankees management and ownership and coaching is as good as the yankees but they just aren’t.

    what the yankees have is capital and location.

    that’s a built in advantage that skews the results.

  157. 86w183 December 10th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    You admit you’ve run out of rational arguments when you play the payroll card when comparing organizations. The Rays are in a pretty large market, yet act like a small market team because they can’t draw flies to the giant tupperware bowl they play in.

    The Yanks have still won much more than the Rays the last five years. Tampa Bay reached one World Series (lost), lost in the Divisional Series 2X and missed the playoffs 2X.

    The Yanks reached one World Series (won), lost the LCS 2X, lost the divisional series 1X and missed the playoffs 1X.

    The Rays have the luxury of down years that the Yanks don’t. They also have the luxury of a ton of high draft picks.

  158. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    YS Guy,

    I am optimistically thinking I will be alive in 2014. I intend to run my business then too. Good luck to you as well.

  159. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    are you rooting for the management or the players? the yankees have won a championship in the last 5 years. but the rays have never won.

    but they are the best coached team out there rah rah rah!

  160. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    and now you’re gonna start freaking about next year’s team and putting a payroll limit there?

    So the Yankees are not on a 189 limit for 2014? Weird way to respond to a response to statements you are making about 2014.

  161. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    You admit you’ve run out of rational arguments when you play the payroll card when comparing organizations. The Rays are in a pretty large market, yet act like a small market team because they can’t draw flies to the giant tupperware bowl they play in.

    The rays are last or near last in the # of people within 30 minutes of stadium. MLB puts their ‘market rank’ at 24. Which means there are 23 teams with a better market than them.

  162. randy l. December 10th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    as the rays that is

  163. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    I see the conversation has shifted back to a jealousy over the Rays – - – -

  164. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    i’ve got atrial fibrilation and i’ve already had brain surgery, (but aside from my brain and my heart, i’m healthy as a horse.)

    i take nothing for granted.

  165. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Brain surgery would explain a lot of your posts.

  166. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    In other news – Eduardo has been playing mostly at SS in winter league – and Angelo Gumbs appears to be healthy and playing in winter ball – a nice sign to see – - – -

  167. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    i figure one person has to support the yankees on this blog, so i’ll do it.

  168. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    i figure one person has to support the yankees on this blog, so i’ll do it.

    *******

    Count me in – - – -

  169. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    there used to be alot of people on here who supported the yankees, but they’ve pretty much all be scared off by all the negativity. im still in touch with several and they can’t believe how negative this blog is. i have to agree, but for some reason i feel like i just wont let you negative nellies scare me away.

    so you’re stuck with me (and tomingeorgia! and a few others)

  170. blake December 10th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    We all support the Yankees and want them to be good ….that doesn’t mean blindly rubber stamping everything their ownership decides to do….that’s what Hal wants….he wants a bunch of zombies he can count on to fill the park no matter what he does with the team

  171. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    yes return of, too!

    actually there are alot of more supportive fans who read but dont comment because they feel they get abused if they do.

  172. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Who are these people? Can they tell me how the Yankees plan to cover 36 roster spots next season?

  173. randy l. December 10th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    “but they are the best coached team out there rah rah rah!”

    wow, you’re as closed minded on the rays and their development of players from within and with trades as you were with montero and the mariners.

    any particular reason for being so closed minded?

    you’re happy with the state of yankee affairs right now in your mind? all is hunky dory?

    i suppose you’re just very loyal to the cause :)

  174. tomingeorgia December 10th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Ys Guy,
    I’m in for sure!

  175. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    see what i mean?

    sorry but i dont owe jerkface or austinmac an explanation of why i feel the way i feel about any subject.

    freak away without demanding answers from me ,please.

  176. Tackelberry December 10th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 11:45 am
    i figure one person has to support the yankees on this blog, so i’ll do it.

    *******

    Count me in – – –

    _____________

    Me too. Nice to see not everyone here is a whiner or a quitter!

  177. blake December 10th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    I cheer for the Yankees not Hals bank account…..

  178. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 11:48 am
    yes return of, too!

    actually there are alot of more supportive fans who read but dont comment because they feel they get abused if they do.

    *****

    Keep the faith. As I have posted for the past two weeks – “Have faith in the Yankees my son.”

  179. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    lol @ thinking people who spend most of their time watching, talking about, and thinking about the yankees are not supporting the team.

  180. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Ys Guy,

    Good luck with your health.

    You certainly can support or argue any way you want.

    I have supported the Yankees for 52 years. It is much more fun to support a team that does well, and I hope the team will do what is needed to continue to do well. Disagreeing as to the method of operation is not a lack of support. It is a lack of confidence based upon what has been said and done in the last couple of years by the team.

    They are old and getting older. It didn’t work in 1965 and it won’t work for long now. That is my judgment. It may be worth what I am getting paid for it.

  181. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Tackelberry December 10th, 2012 at 11:49 am
    The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 11:45 am
    i figure one person has to support the yankees on this blog, so i’ll do it.

    *******

    Count me in – – –

    _____________

    Me too. Nice to see not everyone here is a whiner or a quitter!

    *****

    Welcome aboard!

  182. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    freak away without demanding answers from me ,please.

    Well, come on. This is a discussion section of a blog. You are replying to people on a certain topic and do not want to answer for what you’re saying? Getting fresh ideas out there should be the point.

    You think the Yankees, who have an acknowledged budget & only a known # of players under contract, in 2014 will be fine. You have only offered up that they will “sign or trade for players”. Not a ringing endorsement.

  183. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Who is quitting other than the Yankees on their fans? We want the team to try to get better rather than try to survive as a competitive team one more year. They are the one’s throwing in the towel in the cap years.

  184. 86w183 December 10th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    I never heard of a “market rank” that MLB has calculated. Where did that come from?

    All I know is that Tampa-St. Pete is the # 13 TV market in the United States. # 19 Orlando is an hour away. Sarasota/Bradenton is even closer.

    The Stadium is in a terrible location. There’s no debate about that. But the “market” is large enough to sustain a much larger payroll if the support was there.

    Cincinnati, for example generates more revenue in the # 34 market.

  185. tomingeorgia December 10th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    blake,
    I don’t feel like a lobotomized zombie, though. I just don’t have the hyperbolic imagination, nor the conceit that would be necessary to predict what April will look like at NYS. I’m along for the ride. Go, Yanks!

  186. blake December 10th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    I will cheer for the Yankees to win games… Not operation 189…..

  187. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Stoneburner,

    Just so I understand, you support the Yankees getting older and not younger? Refusing to sign anyone who will require a multi-year contract? Only having a handful of players signed for 2014? Not trying to upgrade the offense?

    Is there anything the Yankees could do you would not support?

  188. blake December 10th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    tomingeorgia says:
    December 10, 2012 at 11:55 am
    blake,
    I don’t feel like a lobotomized zombie, though. I just don’t have the hyperbolic imagination, nor the conceit that would be necessary to predict what April will look like at NYS. I’m along for the ride. Go, Yanks!

    You don’t have to….but if fans don’t express displeasure occasionally then ownership will just do whatever they want….they’ll pocket all the money.

    Discussing the direction of the team doesn’t mean you don’t support the team

  189. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    I never heard of a “market rank” that MLB has calculated. Where did that come from?

    In the CBA. Cin is 28th if you are wondering. The stadium is in such a bad location that it stops people from being able to go to games. You are not going to get people driving 2 hours from Orlando to get to Tropicana. It may be an ‘hour’ by distance (Its over 80 miles so you’d have to be driving fast) but REALITY is that it takes much longer due to crappy traffic & location.

    The city won’t let them build a new stadium. Its just bad. Most of their audience just wants to watch on TV. They have good TV & radio numbers, but not a good TV or radio deal to bring in money and their stadium sucks.

  190. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    It is much more fun to support a team that does well,

    *****

    1992 was a fun year for me to support the Yankees – Andy Stankiewicz, and then Sam Militello making his starts at the end of the year – Barfield on the DL again – and Tartabull’s new contract – - – -

  191. brianlopez22 December 10th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    “Me too. Nice to see not everyone here is a whiner or a quitter!”

    These comments crack me up. blake put it well above. Hal thinks fans are mindless zombies who will support the team no matter what.

    The Front Office is on pace to put a sub-par product on the field for a few years and we have to sit here and continue cheering?
    We all cheer and root for the Yankees.
    That is why we get bitter. We deserve better than the Front Office is willing to put on the field.

  192. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    I guess Dodger fans should have just say quietly while Frank McCourt killed their franchise then huh? Gotta support your team no matter what!!

  193. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Stoneburner,

    Just so I understand, you support the Yankees getting older and not younger? Refusing to sign anyone who will require a multi-year contract? Only having a handful of players signed for 2014? Not trying to upgrade the offense?

    Is there anything the Yankees could do you would not support?

    *****

    If they made racist and sexist comments – I would not support them on that front.

    But support the team – in good times and in bed with them on the field playing – I am there!!!!

    To quote Norman Dale: This is Your Team.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0nv0UxI0xY

  194. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Oooops – meant bid – errrr meant bud – - – -err not bed – meant errrrrrr – - – -in good times and in bad – - – -

  195. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    The Yankee teams in the 80s and early 90s were far more fun than the teams from 1965-1973. They were out of contention in June. That is the correlation of the team’s direction that I see. Aging and not replenishing. Always foolish.

  196. Triple Short of a Cycle December 10th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    I’m sure most people who support the team no matter what would be the same people who support their country no matter what.

    USA love it or leave it

  197. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    One of the problems with the KC side of the deal is only having Shields locked up for the two years. That is a good reason not to do the deal. A short term fix is a big negative when you are dealing such elite prospects. KC should have instead gotten a cost-controlled Rays pitcher, but then Friedman never would have made such a deal. I wonder who the Rays PTBN will be.

  198. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    I’m curious as to what some of you think support entails. Blind optimism? Goldfish thinking? 100% positivity? Its not like people are rooting for the Yankees to lose.

  199. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Or as David Puddy from Seinfeld who say “Gotta support the team.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftUR6AFTNMA

  200. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Your country and your team are kinda different things….but you can love your country and team but still not like how they are being ran….doesn’t mean you don’t love the team or support the team

  201. tomingeorgia December 10th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    blake,
    I never said I thought you don’t support the team, and you and others have every right to criticize whatever you want. Just saying I don’t have the time, energy or hubris to suggest that I have the solutions to every problem the Yanks seem to be facing. You guys may be right on track, but I’ll just have to optimistically wait and see however the Yanks handle it.

  202. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    They obviously have a plan.. the plan just can’t be revealed until they reach the OT3 level like in Scientology.

  203. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    I think I am fine loving America while also being critical of things that I think America needs to work on or stop doing. I’ll take that same attitude to the Yankees.

  204. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Stoneburner,

    Okay then. Thank you for that analysis. All is good if they are not racist or sexist. No further discussion with you is appropriate.

  205. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    KC made the deal because their ownership wants to win now and are tired of waiting…..that’s why they wanted to trade for an established front line type guy…..

    I think they are hoping to get to the postseason in the next two years and then are hoping to build on that…..

  206. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Supporting the Yankees means wanting the best for them. I find the constant conflation here between being analytical and being negative tedious and intolerant. If some people want to analyze and hypothesize, well hey it is a baseball blog. Debate the issues and not the integrity of the posters and the depth of their fandom. No one here needs a lesson in how to love the Yankees.

  207. randy l. December 10th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    “there used to be alot of people on here who supported the yankees, but they’ve pretty much all be scared off by all the negativity. im still in touch with several and they can’t believe how negative this blog is. i have to agree, but for some reason i feel like i just wont let you negative nellies scare me away.”

    it’s kind of funny how you call the other side “negative” and imply your side is positive.

    that’s what i was getting at with my “politics” analogy yesterday. you, tommingergia,trisha, mick, etc are on one side. you clearly see it that way. you call yourself positive. just like democrats and republicans call themselves positive or negative depending which side they’re on.

    i butt heads with jerkface because i’m experience and he’s stats, but i give him credit that he doesn’t fall into my side / the other side kind if thinking. independent thought to me is a virtue.

    what you so called “positive” people do isn’t independent thought to me at all.

    it’s just lockstep thinking as far as i’m concerned.

    so i guess you can simply say that we differ on what “positive” is .

    i’ll give you the benefit of the doubt on that :)

  208. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    blake, re: KC. I get that. I just don’t agree with it. It may be a good short term trade for them, but… they gave up a lot and there is no guarantee they make the postseason, esp with that pitching staff…

  209. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    “I never said I thought you don’t support the team, and you and others have every right to criticize whatever you want. Just saying I don’t have the time, energy or hubris to suggest that I have the solutions to every problem the Yanks seem to be facing. You guys may be right on track, but I’ll just have to optimistically wait and see however the Yanks handle it.”

    That’s fair and I don’t suggest to have all the answers either…..this is a fan blog and fans are gonna talk about how they think the team needs to get better and just about baseball in general…..

  210. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    “blake, re: KC. I get that. I just don’t agree with it. It may be a good short term trade for them, but… they gave up a lot and there is no guarantee they make the postseason, esp with that pitching staff…”

    Yea I don’t either….I think it’s a bad trade for them….just saying I think that’s why they’d did it

  211. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Tom,

    In reality, I don’t think any of us believe we have all the answers. We can, however, be disappointed at what we see. What I see is profit before product. For the life of me, I don’t know how that is good for me as a fan.

    I hope they will surprise me. No one would be happier.

  212. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Joelsherman1 No shot risk announcing trade with him doing function for org. #Mets

    ****

    Oh please baseball gods let that happen – just to embarass Mike Lupica and his cronies – - – -

  213. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    tomingeorgia December 10th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    blake,
    I never said I thought you don’t support the team, and you and others have every right to criticize whatever you want. Just saying I don’t have the time, energy or hubris to suggest that I have the solutions to every problem the Yanks seem to be facing. You guys may be right on track, but I’ll just have to optimistically wait and see however the Yanks handle it.

    —————–

    Objectively speaking, this is the type of stuff that’s borderline insulting because it’s got a ‘back-handed compliment’ quality about it.

    I’m not saying it’s your intention at all, but it’s how it comes across.

  214. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    “i butt heads with jerkface because i’m experience and he’s stats, but i give him credit that he doesn’t fall into my side / the other side kind if thinking. independent thought to me is a virtue.”

    I think good front offices need Randy’s and JFs both that will listen to each other…..and try to find the best answers

  215. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    i’ve believed all along that the yankees plan is to get under the $189M *IF* they can without severely hurting the team’s ability to compete. despite the negativity about that plan on here, there ARE advantages to be had IF they follow through on that plan, its not just a one-sided equation.

    i also believe that if they see that that goal can’t be realized or at least cant be realized by next season, they will change the plan.

    i just disagree that the yankees have reached that point where they have to abandon that plan. i believe that if they plug in, say ajp, ichiro and a good RH bat, the yankees are the favorite to win the division.

    but on december 9th i dont expect that that is all they will do. it looks to me like they are dragging their feet on signing pierzynsky, ichiro and even youkilis because they are trying to work out a trade or two which would make one or more of those signings unnecesary.

    there’s alot of time between now and opening of ST and im willing to wait and see what happens before i pass judgement on the team and on the plan to get under $189 *IF*

  216. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    @pgammo: Lester likely wouldn’t have been traded, but KC valued Shields/Davis higher

  217. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    there’s alot of time between now and opening of ST

    ******

    hear hear – and a lot of time between now and July 31 – and next October – - – -

  218. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Guys, let’s really have fun and compare the Yankees to religion next :D

  219. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    “i also believe that if they see that that goal can’t be realized or at least cant be realized by next season, they will change the plan.”

    This is TBD….I hope you’re right and I think there is a chance you’re right…..but if the fans just sit back and stay quite then maybe they WILL just do nothing and go into the season with really 4 huge holes in the lineup…..

  220. G. Love December 10th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Pop in for some lunchtime reading to discover the eternal Lohud “good optimistic fan” vs “bad cynical fan” debate raging again…

    Chad & Lohud need to realize the market opportunity they are missing by not having a “positive only Yankee forum”.

    Hal & Cashman would’ve set it up already by now and only charged $49.99 a month for a membership that includes access to the club, a Yankee sticker with a smiley face on it, a small tub of pre-mixed Yankee Kool Aid & the opportunity to buy tickets at face value for a Yankees/Astros game next season.

  221. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    One of the worst things any team can do is listen to their fans in making decisions – - – -

  222. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    randy i couldn’t disagree with you more, as has been demonstrated since we both showed up here so many years ago. yet i respect and look forward to your posts.

    but this political thing just doesnt work and doesnt belong imo.

  223. RadioKev December 10th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    It looks like I’m in the minority, but I like the deal for KC. That’s a weak division, the Royals could take it if everything goes right.

    That would be a huge development for their fans. Kinda like the Orioles making the post season. The fans loved it.

    Y’all don’t like it because it shatters the “nobody trades young position player” common sense on here ;)

  224. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    One of the worst things any team can do is listen to their fans in making decisions – – – -

    Yea then you end up trading 3 of your top 5 prospects for James Shields :(

  225. brianlopez22 December 10th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Why is it that if you question the FO’s path or their decisions, that makes us negative?

    We all want the same thing, a winning ballclub.
    Last year, we won, we didn’t win it all, but we felt good 95 times last year.

    Unfortunately, the playoffs exposed an eventuality: This team is very old and strike out WAY TOO MUCH.

    Does that make us less of a fan because we want these items correct?
    We log on to this blog, not to kiss the NY logo and pray with blind faith that we will win again.
    But most of us log in to get perspective and other ideas on to how we can all see a winning ballclub being built.

  226. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    “Hal & Cashman would’ve set it up already by now and only charged $49.99 a month for a membership that includes access to the club, a Yankee sticker with a smiley face on it, a small tub of pre-mixed Yankee Kool Aid & the opportunity to buy tickets at face value for a Yankees/Astros game next season.”

    You forgot the play 3B for a day option for 39 bucks more!

  227. Ys Guy December 10th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    “Chad & Lohud need to realize the market opportunity they are missing by not having a “positive only Yankee forum”. ”
    ====================================

    this is true because the negative blog is doing great!

  228. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner says:
    December 10, 2012 at 12:18 pm
    One of the worst things any team can do is listen to their fans in making decisions – – – -

    Actual decisions on personnel yes….the decision to make the team better though no

  229. Patrick December 10th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    There are a lot of people on this blog and others that I would trust more than Dayton Moore to run a team….

  230. MoRings42 December 10th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    So I had a dream last night that Paul Oneill was at the plate and everyone was booing.. why? because Kevin Youkilis was on deck.

    It’s past time for the Yankees to do something. Girardi is still manager and he’s overstayed that job.. We have holes everywhere and we’re hoping that the rotation stays ageless and repeats what they did last year. The pen too. Hank and Hal are clearly not in this game for the win. If George were still alive, a few things would be done by now and Hamilton would be sharing the outfield with Ichiro. In the market where a #2/#3 guy like Grienke (4/5 here) gets more than CC Sabathia based soley on one season 3 years ago.. It’s going to be a tough next few years with signings.

  231. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Sports fans make the owners and players their money…..they are sorta like tax payers….if you pay your taxes and have a big pot hole in the road in front of your driveway then you are gonna complain bout it……if you are a sports fan and you spend your time and money supporting a team and have a big hole in RF you are gonna complain about that too if you actually care about how your team does …..

  232. G. Love December 10th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    RadioKev,

    I really liked the trade for both teams. I don’t think KC got robbed & in the instance that Wil Myers doesn’t become Larry Walker, KC could win this trade if Shields and Davis fill 2 rotation spots for them and help them contend.

    Rays had to make the deal because their whole business model is to build up players and when they get too expensive or are close to leaving via free agency, you replace them with young cost controlled assets. I applaud them for that, but there is also inherent risk in dealing a rotation anchor. Sometimes taking that one guy out of the 5 throws everything else off. I feel like we saw that last season when Andy got hurt. The team was rolling prior to that, Hughes and Nova were pitching lights out and then Andy got injured and our rotation struggled to find itself for awhile.

    KC deserves to have a good team. Growing up, they were the Red Sox to the Yankees in the 80′s. I think their GM did a good job. I really thought it was a fair trade on both sides.

  233. RadioKev December 10th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    G. Love,

    Yep. I agree. On paper, I get it and I think both teams had good reason to do this. History may decide if someone wins or loses it, but that’s life I suppose.

  234. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    I think KC lost the deal with regards to player value long term…..but I also think KC was at a point where they had to do what it took to get a real pitcher in their rotation…..

  235. blake December 10th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    I’m sure Dave Eiland can fix Wade Davis :)

  236. 86w183 December 10th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Just as it takes all kinds of people to make a world it takes all kinds of fans to support a sports team. There is no right type of fan or wrong type of fan in my opinion.

    Some fans root for the laundry and don’t care who is on a team. I refused to watch the Yankees when Steve Howe was on the mound.

    Some fans are totally supportive no matter what and put total faith and confidence in the front office and management. I choose to criticize that which I disagree with and make suggestions as to what I think would improve the team/franchise/organization.

    There are people on this blog that I often agree with and some I rarely agree with, and that’s fine too. I have been proven right more often than not, but I’ve been dead-ass wrong on a few occasions as well.

    I never think fans who are “different” from me in my approach are lesser fans. Nor do I consider them “better” fans for being less critical.

    Que’ Sera’ Sera’

  237. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    “Hal & Cashman would’ve set it up already by now and only charged $49.99 a month for a membership that includes access to the club, a Yankee sticker with a smiley face on it, a small tub of pre-mixed Yankee Kool Aid & the opportunity to buy tickets at face value for a Yankees/Astros game next season.”

    You forgot the play 3B for a day option for 39 bucks more!
    ____
    And for $200 extra a “189 or bust!” tattoo.

  238. 4 NYY December 10th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    yankeefeminista December 10th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
    Supporting the Yankees means wanting the best for them. I find the constant conflation here between being analytical and being negative tedious and intolerant. If some people want to analyze and hypothesize, well hey it is a baseball blog. Debate the issues and not the integrity of the posters and the depth of their fandom. No one here needs a lesson in how to love the Yankees.

    ==================================

    Through thick and thin ! Since I was a little kid. No team in any sport has ever won all the time and never will. It’s a sport and not life threatening ! Even I, as a sports fan and Yank fan bar none, know that sports play too big of a part in our lives. Enjoy it and don’t make it to be life and death, it’s NOT !!!

  239. tomingeorgia December 10th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    austin,
    You and I have seen with the Yankees just about everything, good or bad, that can befall a baseball team. We haven’t slit our throats. What some care to consider as failure in the moment may, in fact, be a boon in years to come. We’ve had terrible stretches, lasting as long as ten years. The problem is that being in the playoffs for so many years has foreshortened perspective in a way that is unique to the Yankee fan.

    The Yankees’ history, to many of them, began when Jeter, Posada, Pettite, Williams and Mo first appeared, which was an unbelievable confluence of the stars. But you and I remember when our stars consisted of the likes of Horace Clark, Steve Balboni and Roy White, playing to empty stadiums. That’s why I might be seen by some as unconcerned, but I’m not. I, too, want to see the team improved, and I don’t think Cashman is quite through yet. They’re going to do what they’s going to do, so I continue to hope for the best.

  240. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    I don’t see how a 10 year stretch of losering can be considered a boon.

  241. Duh Innings II December 10th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Here’s what the Yanks should do after they re-sign Ichiro with the $12M not spent on Youkilis:

    Sign Joakim Soria for a year and $5M base he’ll take to pitch with Mo (half of Mo’s 2013 base salary.)

    Sign Jack Hannahan a solid defensive veteran 3B for a year and $3M he’ll take (half of what the Indians signed Reynolds for and more than double World Series ring-less Hannahan’s $1.14M salary for 2012.)

    Offer Rafael Soriano a three-year $10M a year $30M total contract ($31.5M total to him when you include his $1.5M opt-out buyout) he’ll take because it’s security and $16M more than he’d have been guaranteed to make in 2013 had he not opted out. The Yanks pay only half a mil more for Soriano than they would had he not opted out ($10M salary + $1.5M buyout = $11.5M vs. the $11M he opted out of for 2013.)

    After you’ve secured hands down the best bullpen in baseball (Rivera/Soriano/Robertson/Soria/Logan/Whoever wins the final two bullpen slots among Chamberlain who should not be handed a job, Aardsma, Rapada, Cabral, Eppley, and Miller) and a pair of veterans who play fundamental baseball (Ichiro and Hannahan), offer Youkilis a year and $4M to be the DH who backs up at 1B and 3B, take it or leave it. If he declines, offer Ibanez a year and $3M (almost triple his base salary for 2012) he’ll gladly take to return. That gives the Yanks a mil left over to sign a scrapheap starter (think $900K for 2011 Bartolo Colon.)

    There. $12M spent on Soria ($5M), Youkilis ($4M), and Hannahan ($3M) and check this:

    The Yanks have a surplus of established MLB relievers to trade for whatever they need.

    C – Romine
    1B – Teixiera
    2B – Cano
    3B – Hannahan
    SS – Jeter
    LF – Granderson who can back up in CF
    CF – Gardner
    RF – Ichiro
    DH – Youkilis who can back up at 1B and 3B

    Bench: Stewart (backup C), Nix (backup 2B/SS), Dickerson (backup OF), TBD (IF/OF)

  242. Duh Innings II December 10th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Correction: Soriano would make $20.5M more ($31.5M made with a new three-year deal vs. $11M had he not opted out) if he accepted a three-year deal.

    By re-signing Soriano the Yanks would have THREE pitchers to choose from to be their 2014 closer if Mo retires after 2013: Soriano, Robertson, and Soria with the former two under contract. They’re guaranteed an insurance closer or two if they re-signed Soria.


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