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Waiting. Again.

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 10, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This is a familiar feeling isn’t it?

The Yankees waited for Mariano Rivera to make his comeback official. They waited for Hiroki Kuroda to choose between New York, Los Angeles and Japan. They waited for Andy Pettitte to decide whether he was going to retire (again) or play (again). Turns out, they even spent some time waiting for Alex Rodriguez to get a second opinion on a left hip that’s going to keep him out of action when the season starts.

Now they’re waiting for Kevin Youkilis.

There’s little mystery here. We all know the Yankees have made an offer, and even Youkilis’ agent has called the offer “very legitimate.” We all understand why the Yankees want Youkilis. We understand that Youkilis is — almost without argument — the best all-around third baseman on the free agent market. We understand that it’s a awkward scenario to imagine a long-time nemesis putting on pinstripes. Everything about this storyline is easy to understand, easy to interpret and easy to discuss.

We’re just waiting for a decision. And we should be used to that by now.

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200 Responses to “Waiting. Again.”

  1. PhiltheThrill December 10th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    We wait for things we care about. Youkilis isn’t one of them. He’s a bandaid and it makes no difference if he signs or not. He’s no part of a long term fix or growing the brand.

  2. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    So mick are you satisfied with the answers we gave you?

  3. blake December 10th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    How can you not love that face

  4. blake December 10th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Go elsewhere Youkallis

  5. blake December 10th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    @nickcafardo: Kevin Youkilis still on the “backburner” for the Dodgers leaving the Yankees with a pretty open shot. The Rangers could also be in play.

  6. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Chad is effing with us… convinced of it.

    Why do you toy with my heart Chad? Did you not get my last gift (1000 pictures of myself standing next to my Chad cardboard cut outs/Chad inspired husband pillows??)???

  7. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    I wonder if Youk spends his non-baseball life scaring young children… that’s what I would do.

  8. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    I wonder if Youk spends his non-baseball life scaring young children… that’s what I would do.

    Even worse, he has spent his non-baseball life making young children. Gross.

  9. JTfromNY December 10th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Youkilis is not any good anymore and no Yankees fans like him. This is terrible. He is not the clear cut best 3B available, because we don’t know how much worse he is going to be this year than he has already gotten. And he’s already not worth 12 mil. A minor leaguer with no experience could just as easily put up the numbers he did last year. And the fans wouldn’t hate that guy.

    This is just a slap in the face of fandom. All fans of every team everywhere should be appalled.

  10. Nick in SF December 10th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    “We all understand why the Yankees want Youkilis.”

    Because they want to see how far they can push the sadistic game they’re playing with their customers????

  11. Chambliss December 10th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    I think that Yankees fans will be very pleased with what they get out of Kevin Youkilis. He will whine from time to time, but he will play hard and take a smart approach to his at bats.

    Plus, a one year deal means that he will be playing for his next contract, and that often produces good results.

  12. The Genius Maker December 10th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    I need to write my blog and will post when I do, but I think I am the only one who is not in favor of signing Ichiro. his overall numbers were by far the best we could hope for with us, but at 39 I think he is shot and I would rather play Dickerson out there every day rather than Ichiro. Unless they can sign him for $4 mil or less, let him go.

    Youk is hard to figure. he dropped off pretty darn quick and that usually doesn’t happen; the real question is was he hurt last year? His numbers were bad, but he played better with the White Sox; if he continued to play well for them I would have said just a bad start, but his final 100 AB’s were not good either (under .700 OPS) and that is the one reason I would not sign him for $12 mil, even if it is only one year.

    I would move Jeter to 3rd base as his range is shot at SS anyway and throw Nunez out there every day. I hate his glove and honestly have doubts he will ever be average, but he does have the tools, if not the smooth glove.

  13. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Take it for what it is – which is not much:

    Lost .. ?@LostNYY
    #Yankees R. Levine has been trying to persuade J. Loria #Marlins to trade @Giancarlo818

    16h Lost .. ?@LostNYY
    #Yankees saying not in on @thejoshhamilton but continue to do all preliminary due diligence before signing a player. #mixed #messages

  14. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    So A-Rod doesn’t have a minotaur painting but he still may have a centaur painting? Best Yankee news this off-season after #HIROK signing.

  15. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    Josh Hamilton is hitting .227/.295/.424 in 132 postseason AB’s (149 PAs). He’s no lock to produce in postseason play either.

    49m Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    It’s strange why so many people completely believe in Josh Hamilton being the “savior” of the Yankees offense.

  16. RadioKev December 10th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    JIM BOWDEN ?@JimBowdenESPNxm
    James Shields just told us he would be open right now to talk about an extension with the Royals if they are interested “no doubt about it”

    Wow

  17. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    “Now they are waiting for Kevin Youkilis”

    Words I never thought I’d have to read.

  18. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    Lol I can just imagine Levine trying to convince Loria to get trade Giancarlo… He’s probably bribing him with Crunch bars.

  19. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Just could not help it – so forgive me in advance:

    Wil Myers a young offensive position player traded for pitching – but lohud told me that young offensive players with many years of team control do not get traded (noting here that some have said rarely) – - – -

    Again, I apologize, i could not resist, I apologize – - – -

  20. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Even worse, he has spent his non-baseball life making young children. Gross.

    —————–

    Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww.

  21. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    49m Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    It’s strange why so many people completely believe in Josh Hamilton being the “savior” of the Yankees offense.
    ————————————————————–

    I don’t think we see him as the “savior” but he’s so much better than the alternative which seems like an outfield of Gardner/Granderson/?. This would even allow them to entertain trading Granderson. I know he’s struggled in the postseason and is injury-prone but if the money and years are right, I’d take him in YS.

  22. RadioKev December 10th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Tyler,

    The money and the years are the exact problem. Any team would take Josh Hamilton for free.

  23. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Wasn’t Youk engaged to Tom Brady’s sister? Only time I’ve ever felt sorry for Tom Brady is knowing that he has to look across the Thanksgiving table and see that ogre. but then again he can look to his right and see Gisele so I really don’t pity him that much.

  24. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Just could not help it – so forgive me in advance:

    Wil Myers a young offensive position player traded for pitching – but lohud told me that young offensive players with many years of team control do not get traded (noting here that some have said rarely) – – – -

    Again, I apologize, i could not resist, I apologize – – – -

    ——————————-

    I was waiting for you to say that. We all knew it was coming lol.

  25. blake December 10th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    “Wil Myers a young offensive position player traded for pitching – but lohud told me that young offensive players with many years of team control do not get traded (noting here that some have said rarely”

    Dude seriously why can you not get this…..young ESTABLISHED position players aren’t traded often….Myers has never played a big league game…..

  26. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    RadioKev December 10th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
    Tyler,

    The money and the years are the exact problem. Any team would take Josh Hamilton for free.
    ———————————————————————

    Obviously but I think you know what I meant. If Hamilton was willing to take 4 years, I think that would be awesome. I don’t think any team is going to give him 7-8 but I don’t think the Yanks are really all that interested in even 4 years… seems like they are just going through the motions on him.

  27. Triple Short of a Cycle December 10th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Wil Myers a young offensive position player traded for pitching – but lohud told me that young offensive players with many years of team control do not get traded (noting here that some have said rarely) – – –

    ————————————————–

    Which explains why this trade has been universally panned for the most part

  28. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Dude seriously why can you not get this…..young ESTABLISHED position players aren’t traded often….Myers has never played a big league game…..

    Truly a mystery how he continues to misinterpret that point. he has been corrected 5 times now.

  29. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    GIANCARLO!!!!

    (I love how his first name is somewhat at odds with his last name… make that man a Yankee!!!)

  30. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Which explains why this trade has been universally panned for the most part

    Do not make a statement like this which Stoneburner could use to somehow validate that dumb opinion. Position players who have been very good for 1-2 seasons are not traded.

  31. RadioKev December 10th, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Which explains why this trade has been universally panned for the most part
    —————-

    But the common sense isn’t exactly right:

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN
    Wil Myers is sport’s No. 3 prospect. Baseball America’s No. 3 prospect 2006-2010: Brandon Wood; Delmon Young; Joba; Rasmus; Mike Stanton.

  32. bobg December 10th, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    I hear Yuk will be at the Patriots game tonight look for him to be wearing a Yankees Cap. To be signed shortly

  33. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Again, I apologize, i could not resist, I apologize – – – -

    I’m wondering if what you cannot resist is the need to troll this point by misinterpreting it on purpose, or if you simply cannot understand. Either or is no good.

  34. blake December 10th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    @Buster_ESPN: The Yankees are moving closer to a deal with Ichiro Suzuki; it’s expected to be done within the next few days.

  35. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    BRING BACK MONTERO!!!

  36. blake December 10th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Notice the royals won’t trade Alex Gordon

  37. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Joba how the mighty have fallen

  38. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    But the common sense isn’t exactly right:

    Yea and he is also the minor league player of the year, and in the last 14 years only 2 have busted and 1 had a rare disease.

  39. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    BRING BACK MONTERO!!!

    —————

    Why not the Ms don’t need him :)

  40. blake December 10th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    Id love to bring back Montero!

  41. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    blake December 10th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
    Notice the royals won’t trade Alex Gordon
    ——————————————————-

    It’s definitely interesting that they opted to trade Myers over Gordon. Proves a point They still should have just plugged Myers into right and dumped Francouer (if it was just about getting Shields.. go sign Anibal Sanchez) but I think my dream of Gordon hitting 2nd for the Yanks is about dead :(

  42. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    1 had a rare disease.

    —————–

    Who is that Baldelli

  43. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    blake December 10th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    Id love to bring back Montero!

    —————–

    They need a right hand bat.

  44. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
    1 had a rare disease.

    —————–

    Who is that Baldelli
    ————————————————————–

    I believe so. Back when Rays prospects were busts (even though it’s very harsh to call Baldelli a bust because of his situation).

  45. ant928 December 10th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Not for nothing for all the “Can you imagine a nemesis in pinstripes”…Damon looked good with short hair…just saying.

    With the exception of a select few these players chase $$$…not team loyalty so don’t think it outlandish.

  46. bruceb December 10th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
    Wasn’t Youk engaged to Tom Brady’s sister? Only time I’ve ever felt sorry for Tom Brady is knowing that he has to look across the Thanksgiving table and see that ogre. but then again he can look to his right and see Gisele so I really don’t pity him that much.

    Beauty and the Beast Part II.

    I really hope he turns us down as I don’t EVER want to see Mr. Upsidedownhead wearing pinstripes.

  47. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Shame,

    To answer your earlier question, we have the most fundamental right in the US of a trial by jury on all criminal charges. The result of the breath or blood test is sufficient evidence to convict. The real question asked of the jury is determined by statute of the given state.

    In other words, it isn’t good, but not necessarily fatal, particularly if not far over.

  48. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
    1 had a rare disease.

    —————–

    Who is that Baldelli
    ————————————————————–

    I believe so. Back when Rays prospects were busts (even though it’s very harsh to call Baldelli a bust because of his situation).

    =======================

    Crazy to think the Rays OF was suppose to be Baldelli, Hamilton, and Crawford.

  49. blake December 10th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    “It’s definitely interesting that they opted to trade Myers over Gordon”

    Gordon is proven and is a better defender….plus in this particular case Myers is a lot cheaper for the Rays…..but the Royals have said Gordon wasn’t available.

  50. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Against-

    Don’t forget Delmon Young either. And Upton was supposed to be their shortstop. They changed their philosophy with the promotion of Friedman and the hiring of Maddon… worked brilliantly.

  51. RadioKev December 10th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Jerkface, I think bust, middling, or superstar, whatever Myers does might not necessarily matter for the Royals if Shields gives them the boost they need. It’s debatable that this trade is enough, but I think it should make them competitive in a weak division.

    To me, it seems like a good trade for both sides. They’re both trading from positions of strength for positions of need. We’ll see how the chips fall.

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock December 10th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Dude seriously why can you not get this…..young ESTABLISHED position players aren’t traded often….Myers has never played a big league game…..

    Truly a mystery how he continues to misinterpret that point. he has been corrected 5 times now.
    ///

    The larger and original point was that you don’t deal high-end position prospects for pitching under 25, because of injury risk to latter, and because you have a tougher time signing established prime-age good bats, since teams are locking those players up, so you need to keep the projected bat.

    He deliberately skews what’s being said here so he can climb onto the stage and say something idiotic that he thinks makes him look clever. Same way he accused me, Yankeefem, and anyone else who follows and goes to see Yankee prospects of “stealing” from Pinstripes Plus – which, incidentally, is his rarely credited source for declarations about prospects he assumes have been overlooked here.

    Guy dialogues in bad faith, and then apologizes for it. FCS, no one cares that you’re a jerk – embrace it.

  53. blake December 10th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    I didn’t have a loathing for Damon in the same way as Youkallis

  54. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    blake December 10th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
    “It’s definitely interesting that they opted to trade Myers over Gordon”

    Gordon is proven and is a better defender….plus in this particular case Myers is a lot cheaper for the Rays…..but the Royals have said Gordon wasn’t available.
    ————————————————————-

    Yeah that’s exactly why. Myers was more attractive to the Rays in that deal. KC definitely isn’t getting rid of Gordon now… they are in it for this year. I just wish the Yanks could have taken advantage of that and gotten a piece of their system.

  55. St. Pete Yankee December 10th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Yes, Youk can be an a*s at times and you probably won’t want to make him and Joba roommates on the road, but he is one tough ballplayer who always tries 100%. And he can play first if Tex needs a day off or has an injury.

    Besides, would you rather have Nunez at third? (Shudder.)

  56. bobg December 10th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    When Yuk is hitting home runs and producing all this negative sh?t will end. I have been a yankees fan for 40plus years and there are too many fair weather fans on these blog sites.
    go yankees

  57. longtimefan December 10th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Not a fan of this deal if it actually happens, a waste of money when in house options would most likely give the same production. All signs point to this team being sold in the near future.

  58. austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    If I may get on a soapbox for a moment, and remind everyone the right to trial by jury is the equal of any right of a free person. Forces try to limit it. After a lifetime in the business, I would trust my life, liberty and property to a jury before any individual or any other system.

    Thank you. The civics lesson is now over.

  59. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    To me, it seems like a good trade for both sides. They’re both trading from positions of strength for positions of need. We’ll see how the chips fall.

    I think in this case, the Royals arent’ close enough where trading for a pitcher they only control for 2 years is very smart. Its not like they have a jam packed lineup.

  60. blake December 10th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Bring back Montero!

  61. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    They should have Joba and Youk room together on the road. Hal can then pitch it as a new reality tv show. Instant revenue source.

  62. Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Against-

    Don’t forget Delmon Young either. And Upton was supposed to be their shortstop. They changed their philosophy with the promotion of Friedman and the hiring of Maddon… worked brilliantly.

    ————————

    Yea I forgot about those two as well. That’s scary

    It worked out tremendously despite some ppl poo pooing on what they have done by saying “They get high picks so of course they are going to be good”

  63. PacoDooley December 10th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    I felt a lot of despair as a fan last offseason until they managed to nail down a lot of pitching – Kuroda, Pettitte and Pineda. So I am still hoping that they manage some late innings moves that can shake things up.

    That said, they have at least been willing to spend on these 1 year deals. They are building a house of cards with a lot of aging players, and that house could come crashing down, but it is better than not even trying.

  64. RadioKev December 10th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    The Royals are far from perfect, but so were the Giants, the Cardinals, the Giants again before that… or the O’s or the A’s from this past season. I think this trade will allow them to compete.

    I don’t think they’ve got some studded rotation. It’s passable. The line up has upside, but it’s not murder’s row. We’ll see.

    But if they win the division, that’s as good as the World Series for their fans. That would be a very big deal.

  65. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    blake December 10th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
    “Wil Myers a young offensive position player traded for pitching – but lohud told me that young offensive players with many years of team control do not get traded (noting here that some have said rarely”

    Dude seriously why can you not get this…..young ESTABLISHED position players aren’t traded often….Myers has never played a big league game…..

    ******

    Lol – now it is established – when the whole thing that started this fiasco was Montero being traded who had not yet established himself in the majors. But alas – we will roll the tape on what the lohud actually has said:

    blake November 2nd, 2012 at 9:19 am
    “What major league ready outfielders in the clubs farm systems would you have interest in for the Yankees and could they match up?”

    Oscar Taveras? Wil Myers? the problem is that teams don’t trade big league ready position player prospects very lightly…….

  66. bruceb December 10th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    bobg

    When Yuk is hitting home runs and producing all this negative sh?t will end.

    When “Yuk” is hitting .235 like he did last year you’ll be asking the question why the Yankees were so desperate to pay $12 million for a Red Sox reject.

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock December 10th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Amen to that, blake.

    Pretty awesome trade for Tampa, I would say – Shields effectively gone in two seasons and still have Price, Moore, Hellboy and Archer, who Yankeefem has been on for a while, now.

    Never saw Myers play, so I can’t conjecture about his bat, but even if he’s slow to acclimate, Rays have their best established hitter now until what, 2023? Plenty of time to get Myers comfy and still have Longo in the lineup.

    Later.

  68. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    @SamBorden

    New Kids FTW! RT @cschweitz: Savage Garden RT @Nicole_Cliffe: First cassette tape: Boyz II Men. You?

    ————

    Wow…

  69. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Shame,

    To answer your earlier question, we have the most fundamental right in the US of a trial by jury on all criminal charges. The result of the breath or blood test is sufficient evidence to convict. The real question asked of the jury is determined by statute of the given state.

    In other words, it isn’t good, but not necessarily fatal, particularly if not far over.

    ————–

    Gotcha, so a positive BAC doesn’t make you guilty.

    So therefore we cannot suspend players for DUIs until after fully prosecuted.

  70. chicken little December 10th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    If Youk does his job, he will be cheered. If he sucks, he will be booed. Simple as that.

  71. blake December 10th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    “Oscar Taveras? Wil Myers? the problem is that teams don’t trade big league ready position player prospects very lightly…….”

    They don’t…,,the royals got James shields for him and most everyone thinks the Royals paid too much! I’m sorry it’s a concept you don’t seem to be able to grasp…..

  72. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Against All Odds December 10th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
    The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Just could not help it – so forgive me in advance:

    Wil Myers a young offensive position player traded for pitching – but lohud told me that young offensive players with many years of team control do not get traded (noting here that some have said rarely) – – – -

    Again, I apologize, i could not resist, I apologize – – – -

    ——————————-

    I was waiting for you to say that. We all knew it was coming lol.

    *****

    Again – I apologize, I could not resist, like the time someone said no one on this blog ever compared to Montero to a Mantle talent – - – - -

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock December 10th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Lol – now it is established – when the whole thing that started this fiasco was Montero being traded who had not yet established himself in the majors. But alas – we will roll the tape on what the lohud actually has said:
    ///

    You are really an ass. Everyone here who was here during those discussions know what the premise was, so you’re making stuff up now impresses no one.

    You come off as nuts, one – and two – who has any time or respect for a commenter who deliberately – and transparently – tries to dumb down what people smarter than him said?

    Now why don’t you apologize to the board again, because you can’t resist being the jerk you are.
    ///

    I hope there we don’t have an extra-large egg-headed 3rd baseman when I return (and I don’t mean an intellectual 3B).

  74. The Return of Stoneburner December 10th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    blake December 10th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
    “Oscar Taveras? Wil Myers? the problem is that teams don’t trade big league ready position player prospects very lightly…….”

    They don’t…,,the royals got James shields for him and most everyone thinks the Royals paid too much! I’m sorry it’s a concept you don’t seem to be able to grasp…..

    *****

    Yeah everyone on the internet with a job not in mlb baseball:

    One NL general manager called the trade “bold on both sides,” ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick reports. Some evaluators prefer the deal for the Royals, while others believe the Rays did better. An AL GM told Crasnick both teams did well. “I don’t get all the online angst towards Kansas City,” the GM added.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#PU89dvp497y6XJ6j.99

    Let’s see – NL GM or anonymous people on the internt – - – -NL GM it is – - – -

  75. Jerkface December 10th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Lol – now it is established – when the whole thing that started this fiasco was Montero being traded who had not yet established himself in the majors. But alas – we will roll the tape on what the lohud actually has said:

    It was always about established talent. You’re going back to some Nov post blake made where he never said never, but where this obsession of yours spawned is the Montero trade. And the argument, which I started, is that you cannot get young, cost controlled GOOD major league position players.

    You can only get them when they are either expensive, about to become a FA, or before they play in the majors. The Jays could get Brett Lawrie, because he wasn’t anybody when they got him. No one is trading a hitter with 4 years of control who is very good.

    You may be forgetting because you were Stoneburner back then so your manic episode was only just beginning.

  76. blake December 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Anonymous GMs? Probably was Dayton moore

  77. bobg December 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Brue Time to look at the glass half full instead of half empty . Be Optimistic everyone things might turn out better than expected.

  78. Duh Innings II December 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Why the @#$% are the Yanks still offering Youkilis $12M when Mark Reynolds took only half that from Cleveland?!! Youkilis is twice as good as Reynolds? No. I’d have offered him a year and $5M tops take it or leave it.

    The Yanks should remove the offer from the table and sign Jack Hannahan for whatever amount under $6M he’d take and see if his bat could finally match his defense or give either David Adams or Ronnier Mustelier a shot at 3B.

    Signing Youkilis is paying FORTY MILLION DOLLARS for a thirdbaseman ($28M A-Rod + $12M Youkilis), one position thus is ridiculous.

  79. bruceb December 10th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    If Youk does his job, he will be cheered.

    Not by me he won’t. It’s like asking a United fan to start rooting for City – for those familiar with football (the real game, that is) and the City of Manchester.

  80. Tyler December 10th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    blake December 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
    Anonymous GMs? Probably was Dayton moore
    ———————————————————–

    LOL. He emailed Crasnick from multiple accounts talking up KC’s side of this deal.

  81. Captain Clutch December 10th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Youkilis is probably just using the Yanks offer to get the Dodgers or another team to up their offer. The Yanks should just move on and find real upgrades. It seems like Cashman can’t multitask and he works on one player at a time.

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    I get the feeling that he’s waiting for a multi-year deal also and just kind of keeping the Yanks offer in his back pocket. Can’t blame him for doing that. I thought I read that Cleveland was going to use Reynolds at 1B some so maybe they still get Youk to that 2 year deal.

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    Lawrie had no MLB PAs when he was traded. Now that he showed he can hit, the Jays would not trade him for Michael Pineda???????? They don’t think they want that Pineda fastball/slider combo? They’d rather have the young good hitter…

    The Yankees do not have a Matt Holliday to trade (and they wouldn’t trade him). They do not have a Shawn Marcum or Mat Latos to trade (and they wouldn’t trade them).

    Its just silliness to keep pointing to these trades that the Yankees can’t make as proof they could get a young bat eventually. With what? How? The pieces that were traded to acquire them before they were proven are the pieces the Yankees are fighting so hard to acquire. And if they are established they are impossible to acquire.

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