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A few mid-day notes and links

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 12, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just a few items worth checking out…

• Having been on both sides of the rivalry, Johnny Damon gives the Kevin Youkilis signing a thumbs up. He told George King that Youkilis will be a good fit in the Yankees clubhouse. “He will be fine,” Damon said. “Especially since Boston traded him. Now he realizes it’s a business and you have to take care of yourself.”

• Speaking of Youkilis, the ESPN stats department takes a look at Youkilis’ recent numbers. This stat isn’t particularly encouraging: He had one RBI in his last 59 at-bats.

• Over at Yankees.com, Bryan Hoch tackles a handful of questions in a mailbag. Among the topics: What to do with Eduardo Nunez, whether Austin Romine could make the big league roster and the status of the coaching staff.

• In the American League East, the Red Sox are reportedly in on starting pitcher Ryan Dempster. Ken Rosenthal says there’s no deal in place, but the two sides are engaged in discussions.

• Also in the A.L. East, the Rays are close to signing Roberto Hernandez. That’s the guy formerly known as Fausto Carmona. Could help them make up for some of the pitching lost in the James Shields trade.

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119 Responses to “A few mid-day notes and links”

  1. mick December 12th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Joba tweet:
    I want to welcome Youk to the club and can’t wait to resume the beanings in 2014.

  2. mick December 12th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Why is it that every RS that comes here has a bug up their arse against them?
    hmmmmmmm……..

  3. Against All Odds December 12th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    mick December 12th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    this is the reality. its not going to change. embrace it or spend the next 3 seasons screaming and crying about it.
    =================
    well said.

    some are living in fear that the worst will happen.

    —————

    Can you blame them. The kids in the farm are a few yrs away, they might lose their best player, they have pulled back on spending in the draft and IFA, they are cutting payroll, the roster is old and their pitchers have taken a step back.

  4. Mike in Harrisburg December 12th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    If Youk doesn’t get off to a decent start I think it’s going to get ugly in the Bronx.

  5. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Does embrace the new spending limit mean blindly proclaiming the yankees will be fine? The 2014-2016 Yankees will probably be not very good teams if they want to stick to their budget. I’ll embrace that, I like front office stuff so watching the team try to maneuver around this self imposed payroll cap is interesting (& amusing).

  6. Ys Guy December 12th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    the maximum benefit the yankees can get from LT and revenue sharing is if they stay under $189 for 2 seasons. so that looks to be 2014 & 2015 with 2016 being free of the extra penalties.

  7. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    If you embrace the new spending, you must also embrace the high likelihood of dark times ahead.

  8. Ys Guy December 12th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    i never said the yankees will be fine.

    i said there is a new reality and you can b*tch and moan about it or you can embrace it.

  9. Against All Odds December 12th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Does embrace the new spending limit mean blindly proclaiming the yankees will be fine?

    —————————————

    Sounds like a number of the fans on RAB. The kool aid gets passed around a lot over there.

    :)

  10. DONNYBROOK December 12th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    You doom and gloomers would be better served focusing on the Mayan Calendar. That takes Less concentration for obvious reasons.

  11. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Can I complain & embrace it at the same time?

  12. mick December 12th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    There is a strong possibility Cano will be traded this year, esp if they know they can’t resign him.
    They will prolly be in the race this season .
    Then you might see the sh!t hit the fans….

  13. CompassRosy December 12th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    joeman December 12th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
    “Sea has 2 catchers on their roster plus Montero, would be a nice move to get either Olivo or Jaso here”

    ~

    You are more than welcome to Olivo …
    He is a free agent ;-)

  14. The Return of Stoneburner December 12th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    In good times and in bad – - – -

  15. longtimefan December 12th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Once again it looks like the yankees take the “old position”, signing aging veterans with their best days behind them rather than taking a shot with younger players. It is absolutely stupid to have over $40 million invested in 3rd base alone next year and Ichiro at this point in time is not an everyday player. Adding more aging player will allow Girardi to really shuffle his “resting calander”.

  16. mick December 12th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Why not ease in some of the youngsters instead of thrusting them into the Big Apple?

  17. chicken little December 12th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    End result is the Yanks had a farm system fail and now because of Hal’s budget are stuck in the difficult position of trying to sign players to fill huge holes with the caveat that very little to no money can be added for 2014. To me, the only way out of this mess (aside from a 3 year rebuild) is if no fannies in the seats makes Hal realize that $50 million saved in budget does not equal $100 million lost in tixx/food/parking revenue and allows the GM to spend money on free agents, international players, and in the draft.

  18. Ys Guy December 12th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    ” austinmac December 12th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    I tried to embrace terrible teams for many years in the 60s and 70s. Get back with me after you do. Meanwhile, enjoy all you want.

    ===========================================
    getting back to this now, i guess i must have like roy white and bobby murcer a little more than you did.

  19. Ys Guy December 12th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    and pet kelly and andy staniewitz.

  20. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    So you really enjoyed watching those players play for last place?

  21. The Return of Stoneburner December 12th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    and pet kelly and andy staniewitz.

    ******

    Ahh the times when Roberto Kelly was the lone All Star representative – - – -

  22. mick December 12th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    So you really enjoyed watching those players play for last place?
    ====================================
    I’m sure he had hopes for them.

  23. Ys Guy December 12th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    i root for the yankees to win every game, every year.

  24. The Return of Stoneburner December 12th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    i root for the yankees to win every game, every year.

    *****

    I like this attitude – - – -

  25. Against All Odds December 12th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    austinmac December 12th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
    AAO,

    I doubt the crack reporters understand that either. Ofcourse, I might not if not for Jerkface.

    ———————————

    Same here.

    He’s done a good job at explaining this whole thing and not just on here but other boards as well.

  26. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Even bad teams will have fan favorites, but liking players on a bad team is still separate from cheering for that team & the result you’re hoping for in a pro sports league. I like Ronde Barber a heckuva alot, but watching him play on a 4-12 team sucks compared to watching him on a winning team.

  27. DONNYBROOK December 12th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    The platoon-a-rama going on is also part of the problem. There is no such thing assa 4th OF’er anymore. The Yanks gotta 4th, 5th, 6th. Trade for Revere, and you gotta Fulltime Everyday OF of Gardner, Grandy and Revere.
    If your gonna trade Cano, it should be done Before the season starts.
    Gardner should be the Yankee leadoff guy in 2013. That is, till he gets hurt again.

  28. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    i root for the yankees to win every game, every year.

    And you’re happy whether they win or not? Who ISN’T rooting for the yankees to win?

  29. Ys Guy December 12th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    so you guys don’t watch when the yankees stink. thats fine.

    but we used to have this guy named mattingly, you shoulda seen him!

  30. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    so you guys don’t watch when the yankees stink. thats fine.

    Who even said this?

  31. 4TrainNorth December 12th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    And we’ll still get Hamilton.

  32. The Return of Stoneburner December 12th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    so you guys don’t watch when the yankees stink. thats fine.

    *****

    some people don’t even watch when the yankees are winning – lol – - – -

  33. DONNYBROOK December 12th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Some of us were around when Roger Repoz was proclaimed, “the next Mickey Mantle”. We been there before, and are still hangin’ around.

  34. Ys Guy December 12th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    i didnt want youkilis here. just a couple of days ago i was posting Let’s Go Tribe! throughout the day rooting for the indians to sign him so the yankees wouldn’t.

    now he’s a yankee. so am i going to whine about it through october?

    no, im going to embrace it and root for him to do well and enjoy the upside (think of how youk’s army up there in new england feels about it…..or seeing youk hit a game winner off the green monstah)

    same with the salary thing. its reality. and it’s going to be here for 3 seasons.

    im not going to moan about it for 3 seasons. im going to embrace it and enjoy the upside (young guys coming up and getting a chance, no more all-star at every position)

    life’s too short to spend 3 years of it being p*ssed off.

  35. DONNYBROOK December 12th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    You guys are gonna like Youk. He’s the type of player that ever opponent hates, till he becomes a teammate. You’ll see.

  36. mick December 12th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Some of us were around when Roger Repoz was proclaimed, “the next Mickey Mantle”. We been there before, and are still hangin’ around.
    ==========================
    Someone needs to read this closely and understand…

  37. jacksquat December 12th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    I think the Yankees think they are going to resign Cano and for 2014 have Cano – Teixeira – Rodriguez for the middle of the lineup and Gardner (or Ichiro) leading off, maybe Jeter hitting second, and will just fill in the bottom of the lineup with DH/RF/LF/C.

  38. GregD December 12th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    Roger Repoz…..I remember him…. :)

  39. DONNYBROOK December 12th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    PLEASE, No Cano.

  40. blake December 12th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    @Buster_ESPN: About the HOF candidates:If I had to bet the family farm,I absolutely don’t think Derek Jeter took PEDs. But you know what?Only Jeter knows.

  41. blake December 12th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Go for it this year….sign Hamilton, trade Granderson, evaluate Cano next winter but prepare to let him walk if he wants 200 million.

    If they have to scale back and go young next year then at least lets win a title this year so we will have that to celebrate while watching the kids play.

  42. NYY_Girl_Penny December 12th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    dunno who LostNYY really is but he seems to be pretty much accurate. he had the Ichiro deal days before anyone else. Maybe its just me, but seems what he posts, heyman and others post same thing a day later and he gets no credit, or am I is it my active imagination?????

    9 Dec
    Lost .. ?@LostNYY
    Not sure what the terms are, but Ichiro agent was seeking 2 year deal.
    Expand
    9 Dec
    Lost .. ?@LostNYY
    Not a shocking move based on Ichiro’s popularity and production in NY. #Yankees deal all but done.

    12 Dec
    Ken RosenthalVerified
    ?@Ken_Rosenthal
    Sources: Ichiro to #Yankees will happen, not quite done. Sides still talking about structure – dollars, years. @cc660 of WFAN reported done.

    12 Dec
    Jon HeymanVerified
    ?@JonHeymanCBS
    Ichiro and yankees just working on structure of deal. Figuring out if it’ll be 1 yr, 1 yr plus vesting or possibly even 2 yrs

  43. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    I dunno, P, other reporters had the Yankees aggressively pursuing Ichiro on Dec 8th and 9th.

  44. DONNYBROOK December 12th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    I disagree on the “all or nothing” of going for it this season. We do Not know what Hal has in mind. Hal probably does Not know what Hal has in mind for 2014. I would deal Cano NOW, and sign Hamilton for 5yrs guaranteed. It ain’t as bad as some of you paint it.

  45. Ys Guy December 12th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    i dont want to come off as thinking i’m a better fan that anyone. austin, jf, donny randy jpru i may disagree with you guys on a lot of issues but you guys are great and extremely knowlegable fans who are intense about your feelings regarding the yankees and it all adds greatly to the discussions on this board. we’re obviously all very very passionate about our baseball team.

    my personal way of dealing with important but non-critical issues like $189M is to fight what i can fight but embrace what isn’t going to change. roll with the punches.

  46. jacksquat December 12th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Predicting Ichiro at all, let alone 3 days ago, means nothing, zero.

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock December 12th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    CompassRosy December 12th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    joeman December 12th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
    “Sea has 2 catchers on their roster plus Montero, would be a nice move to get either Olivo or Jaso here”

    ~

    You are more than welcome to Olivo …
    He is a free agent ;-)
    ////

    He stinks :D

  48. blake December 12th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Granderson for Montero!

  49. Against All Odds December 12th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Ys Guy December 12th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
    i dont want to come off as thinking i’m a better fan that anyone. austin, jf, donny randy jpru i may disagree with you guys on a lot of issues but you guys are great and extremely knowlegable fans who are intense about your feelings regarding the yankees and it all adds greatly to the discussions on this board. we’re obviously all very very passionate about our baseball team.

    ————————–

    If the end we all want the team to do well no matter how long we go back and forth on here.

  50. PRDENTIST December 12th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Ys Guy,
    The tax limits are: If any team goes over the limit one year then the tax will be 17.5 % the first time over, if the go over for two years the tax is 30%, if over 3 years then 40%, if 4 years then 50%. They will also lose out on RS money.
    This year the Yankees are gonna be in the 50% tax bracket. Going to 189 will just reset the tax to 0% for 2014. If they go a dollar over in 2015, then it goes to 17.5% and so forth each year.
    It has been stated elsewhere that getting to 189 in 2014 will save the Yankees over $65 million.

  51. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    It has been stated elsewhere that getting to 189 in 2014 will save the Yankees over $65 million

    Which isn’t true. Its a savings of like 20 million.

  52. blake December 12th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    The CBA is an excuse to reduce payroll and to save money by reducing payroll

  53. The Return of Stoneburner December 12th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    The Braves have already made one notable trade this offseason (Tommy Hanson for Jordan Walden), and Dave O’Brien of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution says they are still involved in multiple trade talks (Twitter links). Emilio Bonifacio and Dexter Fowler are believed to be among their targets.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#tYiuYvezgMZZ1wJk.99

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock December 12th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Ys Guy,

    Now those are sentiments I can get behind. :D.

    We are all fans of the Yankees. If those of us who are pissed off didn’t care, we wouldn’t be pissed off :).

    I don’t really discuss too often here who we should target. Part of the reason is, I don’t like the FO’s blueprint for what they look for in a Yankee player these days – I don’t trust Cashman, advised it seems, by Eppler, to make shrewd deals and I fear the loss of a Sanchez type player, especially now that they are desperate.

    But conjecturing about who to get, how we can improve, etc., is, to me, the height of optimism; when you’re trying to figure out how to improve, that means you’re thinking over time in the mode of hope: you’re spending energy believing in, and trying to construct improvement, therefore you’re optimistic in the sense that your thoughts are future-oriented. We can disagree with how that gets done all we want.

  55. Ys Guy December 12th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    PRDENTIST: that is why i’ve specified several times that the $189 restrictions are a reality for 3 years meaning 2013 2014 and 2015. i believe that would set them back to the normal LT and RS restrictions.

  56. blake December 12th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    Sign Hamilton, trade Grandy to Atlanta

  57. Against All Odds December 12th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    In not if smh

  58. spidanyc December 12th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Guys like @LostNYY and Incarcerated Bob are individuals who follow guys like Jon Heyman, Buster Olney, Ken Rosenthal, etc and use their rumors as their own. They are entertaining though.

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 12th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    “That’s what you get for coming on here and wishing that I was dead. Karma got ya.”

    I know reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit (nor grammar, nor spelling, just to name a few) so let me help you out here. I did not come on here and wish you dead. I have never wished anybody dead. If it were in my nature to do so, you probably would be the only one on the list. What I did was responded to Shame’s saying she thought I would feel bad if any of the complainers on the forum died. I said of course I would, in fact I’d feel bad if I heard anyone on lohud died – but that it was possible that you’d be the exception, I wasn’t sure.

    That definitely remains the case.

    Okay little one? Naptime for your now. Grab your binky like a good little girl.

  60. blake December 12th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    spidanyc says:
    December 12, 2012 at 4:08 pm
    Guys like @LostNYY and Incarcerated Bob are individuals who follow guys like Jon Heyman, Buster Olney, Ken Rosenthal, etc and use their rumors as their own. They are entertaining though.

    Nah….Lost is either legit…. Of he just totally makes everything up because he says stuff that none of those guys talk about

  61. J. Alfred Prufrock December 12th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    If you wish anyone “dead” your wish will eventually come true ;).

    Of course, “death” is a made up thing by materialists, any way :)

    Good one, folks.

  62. spidanyc December 12th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    blake December 12th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
    spidanyc says:
    December 12, 2012 at 4:08 pm
    Guys like @LostNYY and Incarcerated Bob are individuals who follow guys like Jon Heyman, Buster Olney, Ken Rosenthal, etc and use their rumors as their own. They are entertaining though.

    Nah….Lost is either legit…. Of he just totally makes everything up because he says stuff that none of those guys talk about

    ——————————————————————————————————————

    I guess if the Yankees do end up signing Josh Hamilton then LostNYY get all the props in the world.

  63. blake December 12th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    “I guess if the Yankees do end up signing Josh Hamilton then LostNYY get all the props in the world.”

    He just said they are talking

  64. BIG AL December 12th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    JAP -

    My main disagreement with you is, you may think the Yankees are trying to get better, and my belief is they are simply trying to get cheaper in the payroll department.

    I’d bet Hal and the rest of the FO believe if they simply put a fairly competitive team on the field, we’ll continue to be good sheep and lay out our hard earned money, regardless of what the product is, as long as their in pinstripes.

    I say if they go the bandaid route, do not buy tickets, hats, shirts, etc., and when the money they lose is close to, or greater than the tax, they’ll put some serious plans in place to add the necessary players.

    The FO bad management put them into the situation they find themselves today, so guys in the FO, look into the mirror, take the blame, and stop making the fans pay for your mistakes.

  65. joeman December 12th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    is it possible Swisher comes back on a 1 year

  66. J. Alfred Prufrock December 12th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Big Al,

    How you doing? I’m heading out, but no, man, I am saying that fans who discuss trade scenarios, even fanciful ones, are optimistic fans, because they’re trying to think up creative ways to get better.

    There’s a lot of shooting down of people here, and folks being called “negative” because they want to find ways to improve the team. I not only agree with what you’ve said, I ditched my seasons last January when You-Know-Who got traded. We’ve had them in the family for 30 years. No sweat – tix can be had easy these days. I did give up good seat location, though, that I probably won’t easily redeem, should I choose to return.

  67. joeman December 12th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    blake December 12th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
    Sign Hamilton, trade Grandy to Atlanta
    ———————————————
    for who

  68. BIG AL December 12th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    trisha -

    You are in mid season form today, lol. :)

  69. Patrick December 12th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Everyone talking about rooting for a bad team. Look at Mets fans the last two years. 2011 the only thing they had to root for was Jose Reyes winning the batting title. Last year the only thing they had was R.A. Dickey winning the Cy Young.

    Of course I will watch the Yankees when they are a bad team (it will happen eventually) but don’t make the mistake thinking it’s a barrel of laughs. Rooting for Reyes and Dickey the last two years isn’t fun, it’s a bit sad to be quite honest.

    As a Nets fan you know what I got to root for in recent years? Last year I got to watch Marshon Brooks and hope he was a future super star (he’s not). I got to watch Kris Humphries and imagine he’s an all-star power forward (he’s not), hey he averaged a double double right!?

    I’ll always love my sports teams and watch their games but it’s not fun watching a losing team.

  70. BIG AL December 12th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    JAP -

    Have a great day, I enjoy your thoughts.

  71. CompassRosy December 12th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    He stinks

    ====

    Precisely why you are welcome to him ;)

  72. yankeefeminista December 12th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    On 12-12-12, embrace your Trenton Thunder, 12 game mini plan and you get 12 free parking passes. Now that is fan-friendly. Not like paying $36 per game for parking, and $46 in the playoffs at NYS. And if the game is rained out 1/2 hour after your arrival, no refund. Rock on, Thunder!

  73. Doreen December 12th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    Ah, Yankeefeminista! But you have to be able to go to 12 games!

    (Last year was awful for me – everytime I planned to go, I couldn’t – can’t do season plans because my life is too crazy.)

  74. BIG AL December 12th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    The Mets are a prime example of what happens when the team is mismanaged, and spend their money inappropriately.

    Knock, knock, – Hey Hal, learned any lessons about how poor contracts damage the teams ability to operate efficiently going forward!

  75. Doreen December 12th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Plus, except when Derek Jeter rehabs, you can ALWAYS get a good seat!

  76. BIG AL December 12th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    YF -

    Take a trip to the new SWB field, you will love it. Not that far.

  77. PRDENTIST December 12th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Ys guy posted: “the maximum benefit the yankees can get from LT and revenue sharing is if they stay under $189 for 2 seasons. so that looks to be 2014 & 2015 with 2016 being free of the extra penalties”

    This is what I am disagreeing with. They have to stay under 189 for one year to see great benefits, up to $65 million. If they go over the next year, the will have less a benefit that 2014 but still a great one compared to 2013. You are right if they stay under the 189 for the whole CBA agreement, then it will be a greatly increase income to them but I don’t think that is what they are planning. Going from 50% in 2013 to 17.5% in 2015 is huge! If they stay at one dollar over 189 in 2014, the 50% will remain.

  78. PRDENTIST December 12th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    http://bronxbaseballdaily.com/.....l-by-2014/

    Here’s a link which may help

  79. Doreen December 12th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Big Al, be fair. The Mets are in a totally different situation. Their owners are hanging on by a thread financially of their own (mis?)doing.

    And the Yankees haven’t made anywhere near the same mistakes as the Mets did with Omar running the GM show.

    And unless I’m mistaken, as disappointing as the last couple of years ended, they ended in OCTOBER, not September.

  80. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    This is what I am disagreeing with. They have to stay under 189 for one year to see great benefits, up to $65 million. If they go over the next year, the will have less a benefit that 2014 but still a great one compared to 2013. You are right if they stay under the 189 for the whole CBA agreement, then it will be a greatly increase income to them but I don’t think that is what they are planning. Going from 50% in 2013 to 17.5% in 2015 is huge! If they stay at one dollar over 189 in 2014, the 50% will remain.

    Its not up to 65 million. The difference between 50% and 17.5% tax is 10 million dollars. That is not huge! The Yankees spit on 10 million dollars. They can get ~30 million in rebates if they stay under for 2014-2015.

    Their biggest savings is by simply not spending money, which they could have done at any time, and is not a brilliant strategy or something brought on by the CBA.

  81. Ys Guy December 12th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    im looking forward to seeing the scranton commuters or whateverthehell they are called now, and the ‘new’ ballpark (probably named after a bank). should be a fun trip!

    and i’ll surely make 4 or 5 trips to the corporate logo with a hammer park to see the thunder this coming season.

    and ill be at the big ballyard a time or two .

    cant wait!

  82. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    http://bronxbaseballdaily.com/…..l-by-2014/

    Here’s a link which may help

    This is a year old. They also mis-read the article they quoted. The article says they could get 40 million in rebates over a 3 year span. The blog proceeds to suggest it is 40 a year. it is not.

  83. brianlopez22 December 12th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    I am assuming we are all talking about the minor leaguers because the big league club is a joke.

    But JF- you are correct. They save 30-40 million in revenue sharing mandates if they stay under 189 for 2014-2016.

    So the Yanks can field a minor league team mixed with the 4 sunk contracts (ARod, CC, Tex, and Jeter (unless they let him walk) )

  84. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    The blog post also does not understand how the CBT is even calculated aaaaaaa

  85. Shame Spencer December 12th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    …Guys… don’t make me quote the Facts of Life theme song again. Don’t.

  86. BIG AL December 12th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    From the CBA agreement -

    • The current $178 million thresholds for the “luxury tax” on payrolls will remain unchanged in 2012 and 2013 but will increase to $189 million for 2014, 2015, and 2016. The tax rate will decrease to 17.5 percent for teams that exceed the threshold for the first time, and increase to 50 percent for clubs that exceed it for the fourth time or more. Rates will remain the same for clubs that exceed the threshold for the second time (30 percent) and third time (40 percent).

  87. Patrick December 12th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Its not up to 65 million. The difference between 50% and 17.5% tax is 10 million dollars. That is not huge! The Yankees spit on 10 million dollars. They can get ~30 million in rebates if they stay under for 2014-2015.

    Their biggest savings is by simply not spending money, which they could have done at any time, and is not a brilliant strategy or something brought on by the CBA.

    According to Cashman the biggest savings would come from revenue sharing. Is this true? Do you know how much that is?

  88. Doreen December 12th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Ya take the good, ya take the bad, you add them up and there you have…

    :)

  89. brianlopez22 December 12th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Big Al,

    Every team does not start at 17.5%.

    Since the Yankees have not ever been under the cap, they will start at the 50% under the new CBA.
    Therefore, if Hal succeeds, they will be under and reset the tax rate then.

    There’s an additional 30-40 million in revenue sharing that the Yankees can also reset if they stay under the cap.

  90. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    According to Cashman the biggest savings would come from revenue sharing. Is this true? Do you know how much that is?

    No. Unless the A’s get a new stadium, it will be 30% of 1 years worth of revenue sharing from 2014-2016 broken up like 7.5%, 11%, 15%. If The a’s get a new stadium its 50% of 1 years worth of revenue sharing from 2014-2016 broken up like 10%, 17%, 23%.

    Their absolute biggest savings will come from simply not spending money.

    In 2014 the limit goes to 189, so if they kept payroll the same they’d save 10 million dollars alone on luxury tax even at the 50% rate

  91. Shame Spencer December 12th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Sing it, girl!

    Notice there’s no stipulation that one cannot complain about the bad.

    Those are the Facts of Life..

    What could you learn from Tootie? A lot.

    A lot.

  92. Doreen December 12th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    But if they continued to spend at or above the same rate, it would COST them money. I think that’s a fair way to look at it.

    Sure, if you don’t spend money you automatically save money. But they save more money in the future by not spending now is how I choose too look at it.

  93. Doreen December 12th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    What is life if you can’t complain about the bad?

    But then you gotta really celebrate the good!

  94. Shame Spencer December 12th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Incidentally, the Yankees have gone from being Blair Warner to being Natalie Green…maybe tomorrow we can recast the Facts of Life with Yankee players. I liked when we did Star Wars..

  95. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    But if they continued to spend at or above the same rate, it would COST them money. I think that’s a fair way to look at it.

    If they spend at the same rate they will save 10 million dollars a year.

  96. yankeefeminista December 12th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Hi Doreen, the nice thing w/the mini-plans is if you can’t attend a game, they’ll always exchange the ticket for another game. With the talent there this year, it will be hard NOT to go to games. Crazy sched or not?

    Big Al, yes, I plan to make the trip to SWB. I usually see the AAA team in Lehigh Valley, an easier trip, but I want to see the new park.

    Also, happy to see Charleston will be visiting Lakewood this year May 1-3.

  97. BIG AL December 12th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    So, it appears the Yankees could save $30M if they get under $189M for 2014, 2015, 2016.

    How much do they lose by not winning a WS, a ALCS, a ALDS, or fail to make the PS? How about fan apathy, and that results in a huge drop in attendance, less Yankees garb being purchased, fewer YES viewers etc., how does that effect the bottom line? I’d bet a bigger loss than the $30M tax savings!

  98. UnKnown December 12th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    “Naptime for your now”

    your?

    That is great grammar. Wow!! You are right. I could never compose such an elegant sentence.

    Looks to me like you’re the one who threw a temper tantrum about the Youk signing. Drink some warm milk and relax.

  99. Shame Spencer December 12th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Doreen December 12th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    What is life if you can’t complain about the bad?

    But then you gotta really celebrate the good!

    ———————–

    Don’t I know it!

    We’re all ready to celebrate!

    Whenever something good happens to me, this is how I imagine myself: http://i1075.photobucket.com/a.....elrock.jpg

  100. BIG AL December 12th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    YF -

    I was in NE PA not long ago, and got to see the nearly completed stadium, you will love it, not a bad seat in the house. The field is larger than YS, but you don’t realize it without the 50K seats around it, lol.

  101. Shame Spencer December 12th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Thing is, right now there’s a 40% tax on everything spent above $179.. the 50% tax on everything above $189 is actually a better deal already for the Yanks if things (payroll) stay static.

    They recoup a rebate if they get below $189 though… correct?

  102. Patrick December 12th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Their absolute biggest savings will come from simply not spending money.

    Thanks for explaining.

  103. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Thing is, right now there’s a 40% tax on everything spent above $179.. the 50% tax on everything above $189 is actually a better deal already for the Yanks if things (payroll) stay static.

    They recoup a rebate if they get below $189 though… correct?

    The rate raises to 50% this year. They got taxed at 42.5% last year over 178.

  104. Shame Spencer December 12th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    ?@DKnobler

    Eli Whiteside on the move again. Now claimed on waivers by Rangers from Blue Jays.

  105. blake December 12th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    @BNightengale: The #Rangers find their backup catcher by claiming Eli Whiteside from the #BlueJays

  106. Shame Spencer December 12th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    ?@DKnobler

    Since season ended, Whiteside has gone from Giants to Yankees to Blue Jays to Rangers, all on waiver claims.

  107. BIG AL December 12th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Later folks.

    Seems its important to be a CPA to understand why the Yankees don’t give a damm.

  108. Shame Spencer December 12th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    So glad I have a small woman brain that can’t be expected to handle things like… math..

  109. blake December 12th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    @keithlaw: I will not. “@mattdoublem: @keithlaw Will you ever admit you are @OldHossRadbourn?”

  110. yankeefeminista December 12th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    Big Al, I’ve seen the photos. Very nice. Do you live nearby? I’m setting up my MiLB sched already. 109 days until Trenton OD. :)

  111. Doreen December 12th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    yankeefeminista -

    They DO that? They’d substitute another game for you?

    Hmm. I never followed up with the agents who called my house about season plans because I know my life and I know if I buy the ticket ahead something will ALWAYS come up! I’ll have to rethink this.

    But, the 12 game plan would still be too much. they had 6 last year, I think. That could be more doable.

    Then I could always add games if life turns out to be more accommodating next summer.

  112. Doreen December 12th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    Yankeefem – I’m gonna also try to get to Lakewood to see our River Dogs, especially if there is an early bird game (11 am or so)

  113. Doreen December 12th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Shame, are you a closet Disney fan? Or just Ariel??

  114. Patrick December 12th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Why was I not following OldHossRadbourn? What the hell Patrick what were you thinking

  115. yankeefeminista December 12th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    Doreen, unfortunately, this year all the LKW games are evening start times.

    As for Trenton 6 game plans, here you go: http://www.milb.com/tickets/pa.....8;sid=t567

    Note that it says: “Mini Plans are not only affordable, they’re flexible too – if something comes up and you need to change a date, just call us!”

  116. PRDENTIST December 12th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    All I know is that the you have to have each players AAV, which includes everything, then add about 12 million more to each team for medical and everything else in order to get to the total amount for to determine if the team is over the limit or not.

    Seperate from that is the RS which is huge, if you are not at the 50% tax.

  117. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    Seperate from that is the RS which is huge

    Its not huge. Its 30-50 million total over 3 years.

  118. PRDENTIST December 12th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    I guess for me, 30-50 million is huge if I had it.

    Anyway, the yankees are making decisions on money and thats it. I remember when CBS owned them, it was a joke. Hope it doesn’t get there again!

  119. roselora December 13th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    That is quite surprising… I have never heard of that before reading your post!
    It makes me quite puzzled and angry too!
    Toilettage

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