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Looking for holes on the 40-man roster

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 12, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees are a physical and a signature away from signing Kevin Youkilis. They seem to be nearly as close to re-signing Ichiro Suzuki. At some point, they’ll add a designated hitter, and a right-handed outfielder and quite possibly another bench player. That’s five additions to a full 40-man roster that doesn’t have much easy wiggle room. Of course it’s possible that a trade could open a spot or two, but if the Yankees have to DFA five players from this list, who’s it going to be?

Obviously not going anywhere (19)
David Aardsma, Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes, Hiroki Kuroda, Boone Logan, Ivan Nova, Andy Pettitte, David Phelps, Michael Pineda, Mariano Rivera, Dave Robertson, CC Sabathia, Robinson Cano, Derek Jeter, Eduardo Nunez, Alex Rodriguez, Mark Teixeira, Brett Gardner, Curtis Granderson

These are the most recognizable names on the roster, and there’s no chance the Yankees are getting rid of them without getting something in return. A case could be made for trading guys like Nova, Nunez and Granderson, but in terms of immediately opening a roster spot for a newly signed free agent, this group is strictly off limits. Obviously.

Legitimately fit into the Yankees plans (5)
Cesar Cabral, Cody Eppley, Clay Rapada, Chris Stewart, Francisco Cervelli

There’s no guarantee that any of these five will be on the big league roster next season, but the Yankees want them as options. Stewart or Cervelli might have been expendable had the Yankees signed a starting catcher, but without that, things are too thin behind the plate. Cabral might be able to replace Rapada in the bullpen, but that’s not a sure thing. Eppley was designated for assignment last spring, only to land with the Yankees and become an important part of the bullpen. This group isn’t as irreplaceable as the previous group, but these aren’t players the Yankees want to lose either.

Prospects with too much upside (9)
Dellin Betances, Manny Banuelos, Brett Marshall, Jose Ramirez, Nik Turley, Adam Warren, Austin Romine, David Adams, Ramon Flores

Aside from the outside chance of Romine winning a starting job, these nine have very little chance of making the big league roster out of spring training (Romine, Warren and Adams probably have a better shot than the others). But all nine have significant upside, too much upside to lose in a DFA just to open a roster spot. Unless one of them is traded, these spots seem perfectly secure. And yes, I’m including Betances in this group. His stock has fallen significantly, but there’s still significant potential in his arm and the Yankees have invested a lot of time and effort into getting him straightened out. Surely he would be near the bottom of DFA possibilities. This isn’t an Andrew Brackman situation.

Prospects with slightly less upside (4)
Francisco Rondon, Corban Joseph, Zoilo Almonte, Melky Mesa

Don’t get me wrong, there’s a lot to like about these guys. A young lefty. A second baseman who hit for surprising power last year. A corner outfielder whose bat is finally coming together. A toolsy center fielder with speed. In no way am I suggesting the Yankees could easily DFA one of these four, but they probably rank ahead of the previous nine in terms of DFA possibilities. Without a trade, a tight roster means tough decisions.

Uncertain role heading into next year (3)
Jim Miller, Josh Spence, Chris Dickerson

I like Dickerson a lot. I believe he deserves a spot on a big league roster, and I believe he could help the Yankees next year. But if they’re going to sign Ichiro to form an all-left-handed outfield, I’m not sure it’s going to be worth carrying Dickerson as well. He might have to be sacrificed to open a roster spot. As for Spence and Miller, those two fell all the way to the Yankees in the waiver wire. That means plenty of teams passed on them once, and maybe they’ll do it again. The Yankees wouldn’t have claimed those two if they didn’t like them, but on this roster, Spence and Miller might be the easiest to lose.

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162 Responses to “Looking for holes on the 40-man roster”

  1. The Return of Stoneburner December 12th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    The Tigers and Mariners have had preliminary trade talks about a potential deal that would send Brennan Boesch to Seattle, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports. Danny Knobler of CBSSports reported during the Winter Meetings that the Mariners have some interest in Boesch.

    The teams aren’t close to a trade, Morosi reports. However, Boesch remains an option for Seattle. The Tigers might seek left-handed relief in a deal for the outfielder, Morosi suggests.

    Boesch appeared in 132 games for the Tigers this past season, posting a .240/.286/.372 batting line with 12 home runs in 503 plate appearances. The left-handed hitting 27-year-old will go to arbitration for the first time this offseason. He has a projected salary of $2.1MM for 2013.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#MTxVbGJUFGU4gETo.99

    *****

    No Seattle – you want Granderson – Granderson – Granderson – - – -

  2. G. Love December 12th, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    blake,

    I’m calling it here. You ready.

    We’re going to sign Swisher for 4 years and 50 million and he’s going to take a discount to come back to the Yankees and make nice with the fans. The Yankees can afford him at those prices going forward.

    Then?

    We will trade Curtis Granderson to…

    The Seattle Mariners for none other than Jesus Montero to be our RH hitting DH backup 3rd string C.

    You heard it here first.

  3. jacksquat December 12th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Swisher would mean no Cano.

  4. blake December 12th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    G love.

    Honestly I wouldn’t hate that…..Id hope to get Swish cheaper though

  5. blake December 12th, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Id rather sign HAMiLTON then trade Grandy for MONTERO!

  6. blake December 12th, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    blake says:
    December 12, 2012 at 6:20 pm
    Now that Towers had his SS….I wonder if something like ….Granderson, Nova, Williams, and another guy would be in the ballpark for Upton? Probably no but I hope Cash is asking

  7. RMS December 12th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    Now that Towers had his SS….I wonder if something like ….Granderson, Nova, Williams, and another guy would be in the ballpark for Upton? Probably no but I hope Cash is asking

    —————————————————————————————-
    It would be refreshing to have a young, talented outfielder on this team. We can only hope.

  8. Nick in SF December 12th, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    We can’t sign Swisher after he turned down the QO; then we’d lose a draft pick to the Yankees.

    Jerkface, if they come to their senses about 2014, can they still get significant Revenue Sharing rebates if they go under in 2015 and 2016?

  9. J. Alfred Prufrock December 12th, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    We will trade Curtis Granderson to…

    The Seattle Mariners for none other than Jesus Montero to be our RH hitting DH backup 3rd string C.

    You heard it here first.
    ///

    I’m in!

  10. The Return of Stoneburner December 12th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    I can just imagine the Michael Saunders and Brandon Maurer press conference right now – - – -

  11. RayVT December 12th, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    LOL! Montero catching versus: Cervelli? Stewart? Romine?

    I’d like Montero back!

  12. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    Jerkface, if they come to their senses about 2014, can they still get significant Revenue Sharing rebates if they go under in 2015 and 2016?

    Yes, the main savings are in 2015 & 2016, thats when the teams who are losing the RS forfeit 75% and 100% respectively. If they are under for 2014-2015 they get 100% of the rebates across all 3 years. If they get under in 2015-2016 they get 100% of the rebates in only those years. If they are under in 2015 and over in 2016 they get 100% of 2015 & 50% of 2016.

  13. jacksquat December 12th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    Montero is not enough for Granderson. :twisted:

  14. blake December 12th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports argues that the Yankees’ strategy of slightly overpaying for free agents on one-year deals hasn’t resulted in an improved team this offseason. Morosi wonders why GM Brian Cashman hasn’t obtained a power bat for the outfield such as Justin Upton, Jason Kubel or Michael Morse.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....Gd12wgB.99

  15. ron December 12th, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    I would never trade granderson,nova,williams,and another for upton.

    Insane.

    Upton will eventually cost money,or never be great,so i’d just keep granderson,or swisher,or sign hamilton,instead of giving up a ml pitcher,a good ml cf,and a few great prospects,for one player with 17 hr/67 rbi,ops’d under .800,.355 obp,in 2012.

    That would set us back years.

    We would be better off trading cano,and granderson for either prospects,or ml players,or some combination,then signing hamilton.

  16. blake December 12th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    Jeter SS
    Ichiro RF
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Hamilton LF
    Youk 3B
    AJP C/DH
    Montero C/DH
    Gardner CF

    Winner!

  17. blake December 12th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    “I would never trade granderson,nova,williams,and another for upton.

    Insane.”

    No it’s not….it’s probably not enough….a year of Granderson, a back end starter….and a guy in A ball for a 25 year old potential superstar…..

    Id drive them all to the airport myself of Towers would make that deal…..probably wont though

  18. J. Alfred Prufrock December 12th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    RayVT December 12th, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    LOL! Montero catching versus: Cervelli? Stewart? Romine?

    I’d like Montero back!
    ///

    Ray,

    That’s right; put him behind the plate. This is how he hit when he caught last year:

    .309 .350 .493 .843

    :D

  19. J. Alfred Prufrock December 12th, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    J-Up’s shoulder gives one pause.

  20. blake December 12th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock says:
    December 12, 2012 at 6:42 pm
    J-Up’s shoulder gives one pause.

    Yea have to get a good look at that of course…..but he’s a potential monster…..

    I hope they are asking about Giancarlo as well….

    They were speculating only network that the rangers might turn their attention to Giancarlo….. And they might be willing to give Andrus or even Profar for him…..

  21. luis December 12th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    G Love,

    Count me in on that trade… I would love to have Montero back.. Good situational hitter with oppo power and he will be able to catch… ;)

  22. blake December 12th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Will be interesting to watch Gregorius develop. #DBacks’ Towers, who comes from a scouting background, compared him to a “young Derek Jeter”

    Please KT…..he also compared Dellin Betances to King Felix

  23. luis December 12th, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    I rather go after Hamilton… He costs only money

  24. yankee21 December 12th, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    I would never trade granderson,nova,williams,and another for upton.

    Insane.

    ————————–

    Me either. However, remove Williams from the mix and insert an Almonte for example, I would do that. If KT wouldn’t no big deal, I just move on and allow Upton to twist in the wind in ARI.

  25. luis December 12th, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    But the way I see it… This will be a team who could be the cast for a remake of Cocoon the movie or driving miss Daisy. No youngsters allowed!!

  26. jacksquat December 12th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Maybe Granderson for Montero and Jaso.

  27. blake December 12th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    I’d trade Williams to get Upton knowing that he’s a long term option and that i still have Heathcott and Austin…..

  28. The Return of Stoneburner December 12th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    DavidWaldstein Phillies were making big push for Ichiro but I still think he ends up with Yankees. But phillies pursuit could compel Yankees to go to 2 yrs

  29. J. Alfred Prufrock December 12th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    Upton has what 3 years left on his contract? He got moved up quickly, probably a reason why he hasn’t fully blossomed that enormous talent yet. I would mainly be concerned about that shoulder, and if the Pineda thing is any indication, they might not do the best homework in that regard.

  30. blake December 12th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    But yes Id rather just sign Hamilton for money and keep the prospects…..

    the thing about getting Upton though is that it may allow you to keep Cano…..whereas signing Hamilton would almost surely not.

  31. RayVT December 12th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    I like the idea of signing Hamilton. I’d keep Granderson too since 2013 doesn’t count on the salary thingy! But an OF of Hamilton/Grandy/Ichiro would be wonderful. I’d love to have Montero back as a RH DH BUC. I’d try to trade Gardner as he is the most replaceable IMO.

  32. blake December 12th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Philly probably would love to add Grandy….they just don’t have much to offer back

  33. The Return of Stoneburner December 12th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    I’d trade Williams to get Upton knowing that he’s a long term option and that i still have Heathcott and Austin…..

    *****

    And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Fu5qhbfCE

    I take it back – his exclusion is no longer just an innocent oversight – - – -

  34. blake December 12th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Gardner is cheaper and controlled beyond this year though…..

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock December 12th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    luis December 12th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    G Love,

    Count me in on that trade… I would love to have Montero back.. Good situational hitter with oppo power and he will be able to catch… ;)
    ///

    primo! :D

    How are you?

    I posted your very detailed report on luis torrens two nights ago. I liked what I heard.

  36. blake December 12th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    “I take it back – his exclusion is no longer just an innocent oversight – – – -”

    Dude I don’t think Flores is as good as those two but yes he could be in the mix as well…..I didn’t even click the link but I’m sure that’s who you are taking about

  37. yankee21 December 12th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    I’d trade Williams for Upton but with either Nova or Granderson, not both. ARI can choose.

    The preference for me would be to sign Hamilton and deal Granderson.

    As opposed to giving up 3-4 in a trade for an Upton who to me doesn’t warrant a package containing a 40HR OF, a SP two years ago who won 16 games, arguably the Yankees #1 prospect + someone else.

  38. jacksquat December 12th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner December 12th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
    I’d trade Williams to get Upton knowing that he’s a long term option and that i still have Heathcott and Austin…..

    *****

    [link]

    I take it back – his exclusion is no longer just an innocent oversight – – – -

    This one is better:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNxtbiLRM_c

  39. J. Alfred Prufrock December 12th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Betances had a nice AFL. I want to see Gil Patterson’s imprint on him. If he can revive his 2010 form, he’ll be very much back in the front-end starter conversation. I would like to know if he was throwing his changeup out there, or was he limited.

  40. RayVT December 12th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    blake December 12th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    True Gardner is cheaper, but Mason Williams or Melky Mesa should be ready in 2014. I just don’t think Gardner is a long term option. Maybe Gardner would bring in a inexpensive player as well.

  41. blake December 12th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    “As opposed to giving up 3-4 in a trade for an Upton who to me doesn’t warrant a package containing a 40HR OF, a SP two years ago who won 16 games, arguably the Yankees #1 prospect + someone else.”

    Gotta give to get…,.again I think you have to factor in that getting Upton may allow them to Keep Cano whereas signing Hamilton won’t…,,

    Plus Upton is a lot younger and is RH bat which they need bad…..

    I do want HAMILTON though and if they did that and kept the prospects and traded Grandy for more prospects then Id be tickled

  42. blake December 12th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    If they could trade Grandy for Montero and sign Hamilton I would approve of this message

  43. yankee21 December 12th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    But yes Id rather just sign Hamilton for money and keep the prospects…..

    the thing about getting Upton though is that it may allow you to keep Cano…..whereas signing Hamilton would almost surely not…..

    —————-

    I wouldn’t keep Cano if he wants a moon contract, anything more than 6/140. If he makes it clear that he will hold out for a haul, I move him to whichever team gives me the best deal.

  44. luis December 12th, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    Primo!,

    I am fine and you? Thanks, but you give me too much credit…But I think the kid will be very good.

    RayVT,

    I agree that Gardner is not a long term option and that Heathcott or Williams might be ready for 2014. But I rather get Montero back from a Granderson trade than a draft pick, also I don’t think Gardner would bring back Montero back on his own. Another thing to take in to account is that Gardner is a much better CF than Granderson, at least IMO

  45. J. Alfred Prufrock December 12th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    If Gardner could be the guy who hit .400 against Detroit in 2011 ALDS, and what I mean is use his legs and stay short to the ball and get away from that weird helicopter swing that doesn’t even give him a chance to outrun the ball, then he’d be at another level. Of course, in order to do that, he needs to find a way to get and stay healthy.

  46. yankee21 December 12th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    Gotta give to get…,.again I think you have to factor in that getting Upton may allow them to Keep Cano whereas signing Hamilton won’t…,,

    If we’re talking someone like a Kershaw or a Stanton or a Braun or Votto, Miguel Cabrera types, than I totally agree with you. I will not cough up 4 players for Upton, not worth it in my mind, and the Yankees pay me nothing to have that opinion!

  47. luis December 12th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    blake December 12th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
    If they could trade Grandy for Montero and sign Hamilton I would approve of this message

    =====================

    I would go a little farther….I would eat my words in regard to Cashman…And do so publicly

  48. austinmac December 12th, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    G. Love,

    I would be happy with that plan.

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock December 12th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    luis,

    Doing well, thanks.

    ST. PETERSBURG–According to a Latin America talent evaluator, 16-year-old Luis Torrens, whom the Yankees signed to a $1.3 million deal yesterday, is a better catching prospect than Gary Sanchez and Jesus Montero when they were 16.

    “He is the premier prospect in Latin America, better than Sanchez and Montero,’’ the evaluator said of Torrens, a native of Venezuela.

    Other scouts like Torrens but weren’t ready to go that far.

    “He was a third baseman who has become a catcher who will hit for a high average rather than a lot of power,’’ a scout said. “He is pretty raw back there but is a smart kid who will figure it out. We thought more than $1 million was too much for a kid who … hasn’t played much catcher.’’

  50. blake December 12th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    I wouldn’t keep Cano if he wants a moon contract, anything more than 6/140. If he makes it clear that he will hold out for a haul, I move him to whichever team gives me the best deal.”

    They’ll never trade Cano though….I don’t think they should sign him to a bad contract either which is why I’ve said they should sign Hamilton to a shorter deal instead….

    However ….consider if they got Upton to replace Cano and then let Robbie walk after 2013…..then you really have financial freedom and you could pursue Elvis Andrus and maybe even one of those pitchers (Verlander , Felix, etc ) should one make it to free agency.

    I mean Id be fine with either path…..too bad they’ll take neither

  51. CountryClub December 12th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Sandy concert on at 7:30. Springsteen, stones, who, billy Joel, Kanye, Alicia Keys, etc…

    Should be a good show if you dig music.

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock December 12th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Upton and Cano in the same lineup would be crazy.

    Cano may be gone after next season, but some fans are going to wake up to how good he was if that happens. a .300/30 HR player is a great player, and this one plays 2B, which is just nuts. He’ll go down as the greatest 2B in team history, no sweat.

  53. UnKnown December 12th, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    The possibilities out there are still very intriguing.

    Cash and Hal can still turn this into a championship caliber team with a few nice moves. The pitching side of things look really good. Which is definitely a huge plus.

    I’m excited about what Aardsma and others in the pen bring to the table.

  54. Doreen December 12th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Did you guys see the latest tweets from Dave Waldstein (on the sidebar here)? Since when were the Phillies making a play for Ichiro??????

  55. luis December 12th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    JAP,

    Had the time to watch the Flores kid play…He is better than people think…His batting approach is very advanced and he is not bad at all fielding balls on the OF… Took a couple of weird routes on the games I saw him, but his bat is ready for the show…I think he could be a factor this very next season if given the chance

  56. blake December 12th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    “Upton and Cano in the same lineup would be crazy.”

    Upton is a better fit than Hamilton because of his age and te fact that he’s right handed ….but it’s all about the price to acquire and whether that price outweighs just paying Hamilton…..Im not even sure they can get Upton if they wanted to …..

    Again I think either road could be fine….. But likely they’ll sign Scott Hairston and call it a winter anyway

  57. JoeyVegas December 12th, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    If Cano doesn’t sign that frees up a lot of money for an OF in 2014 class – Ellsbury/Choo/Cruz/Prado/Hart. I think you keep him for the year, hope to resign him early. If not go big in FA. Adams and Joseph should be very ready by 2014 to cover 2B. Veer lander/Felix don’t hit FA until 2015 aka the spending spree year. Shields and Lester too.

  58. luis December 12th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    They need outfield help, so they might have come in to play for Ichiro. But if that means giving a two year deal to him, I would say sayonara and move on.

  59. J. Alfred Prufrock December 12th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    luis December 12th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    JAP,

    Had the time to watch the Flores kid play…He is better than people think…His batting approach is very advanced and he is not bad at all fielding balls on the OF… Took a couple of weird routes on the games I saw him, but his bat is ready for the show…I think he could be a factor this very next season if given the chance
    //

    If you mean Ramon Flores, I agree he’s far along. I think I told you I saw him in the Eastern League playoffs, and what struck me was his developing power. His approach was the same pretty much as I saw in Lakewood – patient, good plate coverage, gets himself in good counts and then looks to drive the ball – but the power to deep center was what I hadn’t seen. He drove a ball to the wall to dead center and cleared the fence on another AB I saw. He seems to have filled out a little bit, too, since Lakewood. Very nice looking left-handed hitter we have to look forward to in Flores.

  60. pat December 12th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    David Aardsma?@TheDA53
    Threw for the second time today! It’s strange not being on a rehab schedule, but def nice

  61. blake December 12th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Springsteen and Bon Jovi singing Born to run is kinda cool

  62. Tar December 12th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Bruce is killing it. Great start to this concert

  63. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    My guess is that Dickerson, Miller, Spence, Eppley and Rapada are going to be the first guys dropped from the roster.

    Jon Paul Morosi wonders why the Yankees haven’t gotten either Kubel or Morse and I agree – hopefully they still will land one of those guys.

  64. blake December 12th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Born to run is the best

  65. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Someone get Bruce an undershirt or some Degree.

  66. ron December 12th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    The thing with signing hamilton,but trading cano is,with hamilton we replace the lost cano’s production,but we get 3,or so top prospects,and i think that is the new direction we should be heading in,especially since mlb is trying to equalize every team.

    It’s like picking on of these two:

    Trade cano for prospects,then sign cano.

    Sign cano.

    We might have a chance to get hamilton for 2-4 less years than cano,for the same aav,and getting some nice prospects also,combined with our finances,we’d be tough to beat.

    mlb is going to keep chipping away at the powerfull teams to knock them off the mountain,and i think we have to combine what some of the smarter,small market teams like the rays do,with our finances to come out on top.
    We already see the tough choices ahead that nobody seems to have answers for,and i don’t see any future cba going in our favor,and they might target revenues even more with what the dodgers are doing.

    The rays are doing it right,they just are not willing,or can’t spend more.
    We can to a degree do both.At least with a few players.
    We for the most part got the best years out of cano,and we always pay for what players have done.

  67. Against All Odds December 12th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    The spending spree yr??

  68. blake December 12th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    I love Billy Crystal

  69. kd December 12th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    grandy for montero is a great idea. but unfortunately arod is your full time dh going forward

    any news on manban?

  70. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Blake – love the shot at LIPA and Bloomberg.

  71. blake December 12th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    I don’t really think Seattle would trade Montero back to rent Granderson this soon…..but if they would Id do it

  72. blake December 12th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Lol crystal said ” dead men walking”….. Or the Yankees in the playoffs

  73. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    According to CNBC, the Yankees in 09 made 72 million from the postseason. Given that number I think it makes zero sense for them to be so concerned about 10 million in revenue sharing… or 20 million in luxury tax.

  74. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    3 team deal:

    Rockies get: Curtis Granderson
    Astros get: Mike Cuddeyer and Eduardo Nunez
    Yankees get: Chris Nelson (Col) Brett Wallace, Justin Maxwell and Jimmy Paredes (Hou)

  75. Tar December 12th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    “Lol crystal said ” dead men walking”….. Or the Yankees in the playoffs”

    We need to get Billy to become a regular on Lohud. It’s obvious he’s just as hooked as we are.

    I loved Dark Side of the Moon, But seeing Pink Floyd live was probably one of the most boring concerts i’ve ever been to. I guess just not my cup of tea.

  76. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    According to CNBC, the Yankees in 09 made 72 million from the postseason. Given that number I think it makes zero sense for them to be so concerned about 10 million in revenue sharing… or 20 million in luxury tax.
    ————–

    Easy to take that position when it’s not your money.

  77. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Easy to take that position when it’s not your money.

    This lame comeback just keeps getting lamer!

  78. CountryClub December 12th, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    The yanks aren’t going to save 10 or 20 mil. I remember reading an article when this all first came out where somebody figured out that if they stay under 189 for 14 and 15 that they’ll end up saving something like 50 to 70 mil

  79. ron December 12th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    I think it is the combined number that the yankees are after.

    Lower payroll,rs,lt.
    The lower payroll alone is aroung 30 million,then the lt,and you are at about 50 million a year,before rs rebates.

    Maybe after the rs rebates,then i’d say who cares about 20 million in lt,but who knows what future cba will look like.
    I just think any future cba are going to go more against the yankees,and they probably see that reality.

  80. blake December 12th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    “The yanks aren’t going to save 10 or 20 mil. I remember reading an article when this all first came out where somebody figured out that if they stay under 189 for 14 and 15 that they’ll end up saving something like 50 to 70 mil”

    Yea but most of that is from actually lowering the payroll which they could have done anytime

  81. Mike_Boston December 12th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Can anyone share the Crystal comments about Bloomberg and LIPA?

  82. jacksquat December 12th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    blake December 12th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Yea but most of that is from actually lowering the payroll which they could have done anytime

    That doesn’t mean it doesn’t count.

    Not that I would mind a 300 mil payroll…

  83. ron December 12th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Let them recoup some rs rebates,then blow the lt out of the water.
    They will be getting 500 million from their tv deal,and the 85 million a year they used to get goes up,and will end up being 300 million a year by the year 2042.
    Also from what i understand,all teams pitch in 31 % of their revenues to be split up bvetween all 30 teams,so don’t the yankees get some of their own revenues back,or no because they cross the lt threshhold?

  84. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Easy to take that position when it’s not your money.

    This lame comeback just keeps getting lamer!
    ————-

    And the whining from people who don’t have to pay the bills doesn’t become profound ever.

  85. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Also from what i understand,all teams pitch in 31 % of their revenues to be split up bvetween all 30 teams,so don’t the yankees get some of their own revenues back,or no because they cross the lt threshhold?

    The Yankees revenues, after deductions for their stadium, are taxed at 31% (every team is), and then paid back to each team in turn. In the end the Yankees end up paying around 27% of revenues. The other high revenue teams pay around 8%, but those numbers will start rising & the yankees lowering as revenues & tv deals expand. The teams which receive revenue sharing end up getting back their 31% along with an extra 4-20% depending on how bad they are.

    The revenue sharing is unaffected by the luxury tax, payroll, or whatever. Its an amount set by MLB.

  86. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    And the whining from people who don’t have to pay the bills doesn’t become profound ever.

    I’m the one paying the Yankees bills, smart guy.

  87. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    As a contributor of .000375% of the Yankees revenues, I demand a say.

  88. Tar December 12th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    “I think it is the combined number that the yankees are after. Lower payroll,rs,lt.”

    Hope before they are done combining, they factor in the possible loss of post-season money that JF referenced. They had a very successful model and are now screwing with it.

  89. Against All Odds December 12th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    They had a very successful model and are now screwing with it.

    ——————————-

    Screwing with it when they aren’t even set up to do it properly. Their kids are yrs away and the roster is the oldest in baseball.

  90. Tar December 12th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Adam Sandler has a hit. :D

  91. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    And the whining from people who don’t have to pay the bills doesn’t become profound ever.

    I’m the one paying the Yankees bills, smart guy.
    ———–

    By choice.

  92. mick December 12th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    bruce is overrated…

  93. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    By choice.

    Sure, and if the team stinks because HAL wants to pay off gambling debts or buy a new horse, then I’ll stop paying or pay less. As it stands, the Yankees payroll is around a league average % of revenues. Is that fitting for a team with the #1 revenues in the game? Who continues to make more money? Who hides much of their revenue from the MLB?

  94. mick December 12th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    ewww bon jovi another heartthrob….

  95. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Against All Odds December 12th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    They had a very successful model and are now screwing with it.

    ——————————-

    Screwing with it when they aren’t even set up to do it properly. Their kids are yrs away and the roster is the oldest in baseball.
    —————-

    There’s no easy way to say this – Hal is not his father. He is not going to run the Yankees the exact way his father did.

    The Yankees are at a crux – they want to cut payroll but some in the organization still believe the old model that you can’t play young kids in New York – so you’re screwed. It’s a team with a direction but unwilling to do the things it takes to get there and still field a winner – though in fairness we’ve only seen one year of this model and it led to 95 wins and a trip to the ALCS

  96. ron December 12th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    How much more can mlb keep taking more,and more money from the yankees?
    The yankee owners probably are getting mad that their money is going to other teams,so are saying lets still win,but not give up any of our money,but i don’t see it working because it is easier to just outspend weaker teams.

    I am just worried about future cba,and the yankees should sue mlb for having their money stolen.

  97. mick December 12th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    more floyd…bring on the stones and the who.

  98. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    By choice.

    Sure, and if the team stinks because HAL wants to pay off gambling debts or buy a new horse, then I’ll stop paying or pay less.
    ————–

    Yankees don’t give a poop what you do as long as the corporate boxes get filled. Someone will always be there to buy your seats.

  99. mick December 12th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    The Yankees are at a crux – they want to cut payroll but some in the organization still believe the old model that you can’t play young kids in New York – so you’re screwed. It’s a team with a direction but unwilling to do the things it takes to get there and still field a winner – though in fairness we’ve only seen one year of this model and it led to 95 wins and a trip to the ALCS
    =======================
    this dichotomous conundrum will lead to a sale.

  100. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    How much more can mlb keep taking more,and more money from the yankees?
    The yankee owners probably are getting mad that their money is going to other teams,so are saying lets still win,but not give up any of our money,but i don’t see it working because it is easier to just outspend weaker teams.

    I am just worried about future cba,and the yankees should sue mlb for having their money stolen.

    But they can never stop MLB from taking their money, short of leaving MLB. There is nothing they can do to avoid revenue sharing. It is a necessary component of organized sports. Without other teams to play them, the Yankees have nothing. The only way they can reduce their revenue sharing payments is to continue to hide money outside of the team (They already do this with YES & the Yankee conglomerates), or make less money.

    Revenue sharing & the luxury tax is good for baseball. The Yankees make more money if other teams are better. The team makes more money if baseball is popular. They should WANT to pay into MLB. They went from 50 million in ticket sales in 95 to 250 million in 2005 to 450 million in 2012. They are not hurting from this revenue sharing.

    Lmao at suing MLB. They sue MLB, MLB contracts them and moves a team to NY.

  101. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Yankees don’t give a poop what you do as long as the corporate boxes get filled. Someone will always be there to buy your seats.

    Attendance has declined for the past 3 years. Teams that don’t win don’t draw.

  102. Against All Odds December 12th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    Chip December 12th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
    Against All Odds December 12th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    They had a very successful model and are now screwing with it.

    ——————————-

    Screwing with it when they aren’t even set up to do it properly. Their kids are yrs away and the roster is the oldest in baseball.
    —————-

    There’s no easy way to say this – Hal is not his father. He is not going to run the Yankees the exact way his father did.

    The Yankees are at a crux – they want to cut payroll but some in the organization still believe the old model that you can’t play young kids in New York – so you’re screwed. It’s a team with a direction but unwilling to do the things it takes to get there and still field a winner – though in fairness we’ve only seen one year of this model and it led to 95 wins and a trip to the ALCS

    ——————-

    True but they were incredibly luck last yr:
    Red Sox imploded
    Injuries to key players didn’t destroy the team
    Guys like Jete and Kuroda had great seasons

  103. blake December 12th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    @FeinsandNYDN: Sounds like the Ichiro deal could be done by Thursday. Yankees will need to get themselves a right-handed hitting outfielder at some point.

    Id like Morse depending on price cause he hits righties too and can fake RF well enough to platoon with Ichiro

  104. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Yankees don’t give a poop what you do as long as the corporate boxes get filled. Someone will always be there to buy your seats.

    Attendance has declined for the past 3 years. Teams that don’t win don’t draw.
    ————-

    Attendance has declined because the economy is in the toilet; winning has nothing to do with it. Yankees have been a winning team the last three years.

  105. blake December 12th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Morse could be the full time DH and play RF against Lefties and maybe DH Nunez or something….Nats have to sign Laroche first though before they’ll trade him and even then he may cost too much

  106. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    mick December 12th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    The Yankees are at a crux – they want to cut payroll but some in the organization still believe the old model that you can’t play young kids in New York – so you’re screwed. It’s a team with a direction but unwilling to do the things it takes to get there and still field a winner – though in fairness we’ve only seen one year of this model and it led to 95 wins and a trip to the ALCS
    =======================
    this dichotomous conundrum will lead to a sale.
    —————-

    Nope. It might lead to bad baseball but not a sale. Yankees make Hal too much money for him to be dumb enough to sell but he’s not invested enough to question the front office or change it.

  107. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    blake December 12th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Morse could be the full time DH and play RF against Lefties and maybe DH Nunez or something….Nats have to sign Laroche first though before they’ll trade him and even then he may cost too much
    —————-

    Not sure what it would cost to get Morse – prior to the Span deal I would have said offer up Gardner or Granderson – but now? They have pitching, they have outfielders – not sure what the Yankees have that would interest the Nats.

  108. mick December 12th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    they will be in it again this season
    they lost swish and martin
    arod did nothing last year
    youk will be fine
    martins production or lack of will be replaced with pierzynski?
    grandy will be better and gardy will be back
    cano is in a walk year
    jeter won’t have to be as good as he was.
    ichiro and andy for a full year…we hope.

    now back to the usual complaining.

  109. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Attendance has declined because the economy is in the toilet; winning has nothing to do with it. Yankees have been a winning team the last three years.

    The former was just a fact, the latter is a warning. If the Yankees are losers, they will draw less, its science.

  110. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Look, the fact is that the fate of the Yankees might well hinge on Ichiro and Jeter.

    If this Ichiro deal is for two years and puts them up against $189 and Jeter does opt out and they have to re-sign him those two deals could force the Yankees to do one of two things:

    Scrap the $189 plan entirely
    Go with a full fledged youth movement because they won’t even be able to afford guys on 1 year deals or players making somewhat significant money via trade.

  111. LGY December 12th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    Easy to take that position when it’s not your money.

    ————

    Who paid for the $1 billion in tax free bonds the Yankees received from NYC to fund the new stadium?

  112. mick December 12th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    if anything this will give the kids a chance down the line
    as they are valuable assets in a down economy
    and with the present cba.

    enough of the nonsense about comparing the montero trade with giving this current crop a shot.

  113. blake December 12th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    “Attendance has declined because the economy is in the toilet; winning has nothing to do with it. Yankees have been a winning team the last three years.

    Overall attendance was up in MLB 1.8% in 2012 from 2011…..the Yanks were down about 100,000 fans

  114. Tar December 12th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    “Attendance has declined because the economy is in the toilet; winning has nothing to do with it. Yankees have been a winning team the last three years.”

    MLB attendance is up for the last 3 years. Yankees attendance down by 225k

  115. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Attendance has declined because the economy is in the toilet; winning has nothing to do with it. Yankees have been a winning team the last three years.

    The former was just a fact, the latter is a warning. If the Yankees are losers, they will draw less, its science.
    ————–

    What they do day by day doesn’t matter – the corporate boxes get sold before the season even starts. As long as the Yankees have name value companies will buy boxes. That, and ad revenue, determine whether the Yankees are a profitable franchise or not. You and I do not matter. Never have. Never will.

  116. blake December 12th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    I think the Nats might still would want back end pitching as Haren is no guarantee and he’s only kna one year deal

  117. mick December 12th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    i see all the ladies are watching boytoy bonjovi….

  118. JD December 12th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Is Ichiro really better than Dickerson at this point?

  119. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    blake December 12th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    “Attendance has declined because the economy is in the toilet; winning has nothing to do with it. Yankees have been a winning team the last three years.

    Overall attendance was up in MLB 1.8% in 2012 from 2011…..the Yanks were down about 100,000 fans
    —————-

    Because ticket prices are prohibitive. It has nothing to do with the play on the field. Yankees won 95 games last year and attendance was down.

  120. mick December 12th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    What they do day by day doesn’t matter – the corporate boxes get sold before the season even starts. As long as the Yankees have name value companies will buy boxes.
    ======================================
    Kind of makes you think Hal might settle for mediocrity.

  121. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    What they do day by day doesn’t matter – the corporate boxes get sold before the season even starts. As long as the Yankees have name value companies will buy boxes. That, and ad revenue, determine whether the Yankees are a profitable franchise or not. You and I do not matter. Never have. Never will.

    Half their open to revenue sharing revenue is from ticket sales. We do matter. And with high prices and a bad team there will be less people lining up to buy tickets we don’t buy. Its already happening with season ticket holders

  122. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    JD December 12th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Is Ichiro really better than Dickerson at this point?
    ————

    Ichiro’s as much about marketing as he is baseball. Yankees will have him under contract as he goes for 3,000 hits – the entire country of Japan will be following Yankee baseball. That’s something Chris Dickerson can’t deliver.

  123. RadioKev December 12th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    JD December 12th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
    Is Ichiro really better than Dickerson at this point?
    ———–

    Was this comment posted in July, did it go through a time warp?

    Also…Bon Jovi…ugh…

    Lemme know when Yeezy is on!

  124. blake December 12th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    “Because ticket prices are prohibitive. It has nothing to do with the play on the field. Yankees won 95 games last year and attendance was down.”

    Cause the team was boring….if the winning stops AND they are boring then the attendance could fall off big time especially if fans blame the budget….which they will

  125. mick December 12th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    when you count the attendance do you count the no shows?

  126. blake December 12th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Ichiro had the 3rd best jersey sells last year….Jeter had the first and Josh Hamilton had the 2nd most

  127. JD December 12th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Chip I totally agree. If you can’t get good players to win it all. Then get the house hold name to boost TV ratings. Weak

  128. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    when you count the attendance do you count the no shows?

    Yes. Not counting no shows its even less, but the Yankees care less about no shows than people who simply aren’t buying tickets. Though the no shows are a problem too because they aren’t buying expensive concessions that go to Yankees Concession conglomerate .

  129. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    What they do day by day doesn’t matter – the corporate boxes get sold before the season even starts. As long as the Yankees have name value companies will buy boxes. That, and ad revenue, determine whether the Yankees are a profitable franchise or not. You and I do not matter. Never have. Never will.

    Half their open to revenue sharing revenue is from ticket sales. We do matter. And with high prices and a bad team there will be less people lining up to buy tickets we don’t buy. Its already happening with season ticket holders
    —————-

    Team wasn’t bad last year, won 95 games – still seats were available.

    And the secondary ticket market (stub hub) was killing them too – so they weren’t making money on day to day ticket sales.

  130. mick December 12th, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    that’s why ichiro gets a 2nd year with team option for 3rd.

  131. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 12th, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    I went onto the FAN today to see whether there was any fan feedback on pukeface and instead Francesa was talking about Stewart and Romine. He said he thinks Romine could win the starting catcher’s job in ST and was highly complimentary of both his power and his defense. Isn’t this what people were looking for, a catcher with great offensive skills?

    I’m personally partial to defense, so if I had to give up one skill over the other, 24-7 I would want a catcher with good defense. I’d sacrifice the offense any day of the week. But if the Yankees can have both and have them in a young player, well hell, that should make everyone happy. My vote is for Romine.

  132. mick December 12th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    9 dollar beers are not missed?…the average drunk goes through a 6 pack at the game

  133. LGY December 12th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Romine has great offensive skills?

    Hahahaha

  134. blake December 12th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    There is a growing frustration and apathy in the fanbase ….winning will hold it off… But if they get off to a bad start next year then it could get ugly and the fans will blame Hal

  135. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Team wasn’t bad last year, won 95 games – still seats were available.

    And the secondary ticket market (stub hub) was killing them too – so they weren’t making money on day to day ticket sales.

    Stub hub is selling second chance seats, which isn’t really killing them because they’re tickets already bought from the team. They will never be able to kill secondary markets. You’re right that the team wasn’t bad and attendance was down, because of prices, but if the yankees are both expensive AND bad they will lose many more fans at the gates.

  136. RadioKev December 12th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Yes. Not counting no shows its even less, but the Yankees care less about no shows than people who simply aren’t buying tickets. Though the no shows are a problem too because they aren’t buying expensive concessions that go to Yankees Concession conglomerate .
    ——–

    Sounds like we need #OccupyYankeeStadium

  137. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    9 dollar beers are not missed?

    They are, but the order of ‘things being missed is’

    1. Direct ticket sales
    2. Ticket sales with no one showing up

    The first one also has no one showing up, but includes no one paying for a ticket. They aren’t buying beers or expensive seats.

  138. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    blake December 12th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    “Because ticket prices are prohibitive. It has nothing to do with the play on the field. Yankees won 95 games last year and attendance was down.”

    Cause the team was boring….if the winning stops AND they are boring then the attendance could fall off big time especially if fans blame the budget….which they will
    ——————-

    So then you if you’re worried about ticket sales you don’t want a winning team you want an interesting team because you had a winning team the last three years and ticket sales still dropped.

    I don’t know what to tell you – actually I do, the Yankees just don’t care what we think. We (and by we I mean fans who write on these boards) aren’t enough of a financial influence for them to base business decisions on our opinions.

  139. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    So then you if you’re worried about ticket sales you don’t want a winning team you want an interesting team because you had a winning team the last three years and ticket sales still dropped.

    A team can be winning & lose attendance for 1 reason, while still also being able to lose attendance for another reason. Its not like the Yankees have a ‘floor’ of people who will buy tickets and they reached it through price hiking. If they are also a bad team they will lose fans.

  140. LGY December 12th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    I think the point is attendance is already down with a good team.

    If the Yankees are bad then that’s really going hurt attendance.

  141. Tar December 12th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Trish

    It remains to be seen how good Romine is.. But I would be shocked if the Yankees start a rookie behind the plate. My guess is he starts in AAA

  142. mick December 12th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    enough with the boring team remarks. this did not bring down attendance.
    the stadium is no longer the new novelty after 4 years
    the tourist trade is dwindling.

  143. pat December 12th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    “We do matter.”

    To the Rays, Royals, et al. 30% of Yankee ticket sales are shared with them. Things the Yankees don’t have to share just might matter to them more.

  144. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    blake December 12th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    There is a growing frustration and apathy in the fanbase ….winning will hold it off… But if they get off to a bad start next year then it could get ugly and the fans will blame Hal
    ————-

    Also you have to take into account that technology is so much better that some people would rather buy a really nice TV and not have to deal with drunken fans, bad weather or parking or trains to the stadium.

    When the Giants moved to the new stadium my pop was so frustrated with the new seating deals that he used the money he paid for season tickets on a drop down projector, screen and great surround sound for his house – I’m sure that there are plenty of people doing something similar.

    My point is that there are so many other things than quality of play that are influencing gate sales.

  145. blake December 12th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    “So then you if you’re worried about ticket sales you don’t want a winning team you want an interesting team because you had a winning team the last three years and ticket sales still dropped.”

    It’s best to have a good and interesting team

  146. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    To the Rays, Royals, et al. 30% of Yankee ticket sales are shared with them. Things the Yankees don’t have to share just might matter to them more.

    They also share their corporate luxury boxes and whatever. The only things they don’t share are concessions, parking if its owned by a shell corp, steinersports collectibles, & YES revenues.

    So we definitely matter on concessions. We matter on YES. We matter on parking and buying autographed crap from steinersports.

  147. RadioKev December 12th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    Yeah, I’m not buying the boring team thing. The Sox got a ton of people to come out to Fenway last season, and they flat out sucked and everyone hated them.

  148. mick December 12th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    as Clapton is singing right now

    “nobody knows you when you’re down and out”

    Yanks are not dead yet…

    …not with Youk on the way.

  149. Nick in SF December 12th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Chip, it’s okay to use cliches, but if you make an argument based on a cliche but lacking in sound logic, you make my head hurt. Please don’t.

    :arrow:

  150. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    The Sox got a ton of people to come out to Fenway last season, and they flat out sucked and everyone hated them.

    The Sox also have a smaller capacity to worry about and have been scamming attendance for years with brokers to keep their little sellout streak going. If the Yankees brought in the same amount of people Boston did they’d have a quarter of the stadium empty every game.

  151. mick December 12th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    why not just raise the price of the luxury boxes?

    if they are full they can absorb a few less fans in the upper deck.

    heck one day we might see an empty stadium but full box attendance…

  152. Against All Odds December 12th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Don’t the Red Sox toy with their attendance numbers?

  153. blake December 12th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    People go to Fenway just to go to Fenway though…..you won’t see Yankee fans signing Sweet Caroline in the 7th inning of games in June if they are in 4th place

  154. DocTodd December 12th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Hope to see Billy Crystal get a few hacks in Spring training….He may just impress enough to be put on the opening day roster….

  155. mick December 12th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    play the blues Eric…

  156. Chip December 12th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    blake December 12th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    People go to Fenway just to go to Fenway though…..you won’t see Yankee fans signing Sweet Caroline in the 7th inning of games in June if they are in 4th place
    —————

    That’s because Fenway is Fenway, much like Wrigley is Wrigley – the New Stadium is not that sort of hallowed ground.

  157. Jerkface December 12th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Don’t the Red Sox toy with their attendance numbers?

    They have a smaller base capacity and dump lots of unsold tickets to brokers for really cheap to ‘sell out’. They also have a historically old (& crappy) stadium that people like to go to. The Yankees had that with Yankee Stadium, but they got rid of it in favor of the new digs. I like NYS. OYS sucked until you actually walked out and saw the field, then it was awesome. I’ll take the concourse, better bathrooms, better walking around, and a similarly nice field over the concrete coffin across the street.

  158. RadioKev December 12th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    The Sox also have a smaller capacity to worry about and have been scamming attendance for years with brokers to keep their little sellout streak going. If the Yankees brought in the same amount of people Boston did they’d have a quarter of the stadium empty every game.
    —————–

    Sure, Jerkface, Fenway is smaller, and we all know about the Fenway ticketing. But New York is a significantly bigger market, so the Yankees should be able to get more people into their park. My point is, the Sox somehow still got a significant amount of people into the park when they sucked. Maybe a lot of the hardcore baseball fans dropped out, and you’re left with more of the “pink hat” and tourist crowd. Shouldn’t the Yankees also have those markets still coming out?

    Fact is the Yankees were the best team in the AL. Winning is what draws the crowds, right? I think there are many more significant factors than “boredom” keeping people at home. Money chief among them. Maybe culture or technology contribute a bit too…I’d say probably more so than boredom.

  159. Against All Odds December 12th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Thanks JF

  160. tucker December 12th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    The economy has certainly been in better shape the past three years compared to 2009. It was really in the tank that year, but there were no problems with attendance.

    And the Yankees have won every year. So that is not a direct correlation to the slight dip in attendance.

    I think the team is just boring right now and some fans are deciding to spend their money elsewhere.

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  162. FreeAgentSignee December 16th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    I agree Chad, chiefly with the Dickerson part.
    Go Yankees!


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