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Angels strike again; sign Hamilton to five-year deal

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 13, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Last winter the Angels signed Albert Pujols. This time it’s Josh Hamilton.

Once again taking the top offensive free agent off the market, the Angels have agreed to a five-year deal that will keep Hamilton in the American League West but pull him out of Texas. As you might expect, the cost is significant. The Angels will reportedly pay Hamilton $125 million, for an average annual cost of $25 million per season.

The Angels were reportedly chasing Zack Greinke, but when the market’s top pitcher signed with the other L.A. team, the Angels instead built a remarkably potent offense. In the process, they wiped away any long-shot hope of the Yankees making a surprising move for Hamilton.

With Hamilton off the board, former Yankees right fielder Nick Swisher should now be free to pick a team, and I have to think the Rangers could be interested in using Swisher to make up for some of their lost offense. I also can’t help wondering whether this might spur the Rangers to make a stronger push toward trading for Justin Upton.

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471 Responses to “Angels strike again; sign Hamilton to five-year deal”

  1. CountryClub December 13th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN
    John Mozeliak was crushed in public for letting Albert go — but privately lauded by other GMs. Jon Daniels sitting in that seat now.

  2. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    We fans, for the most part, would understand that far more than letting him walk.

    —————–

    I think some fans would but a majority wouldn’t. I hear some fans say trade Cano but it better be for a guy like King Felix.

  3. G. Love December 13th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    I would’ve done 5/125 in my sleep for this guy.

    We’re barely the Yankees anymore. The hats and uniform’s say it, but the brains and “process” in the front office is strictly Walmart.

  4. CountryClub December 13th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    In maybe as early as 2 seasons from now, the Pujols and Hamilton contracts will be anchors around that franchise’s neck.

  5. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    I love how the media is making fun of all of the Yanks 1 year deals. But no one says anything about the 2-3 year deals that Boston is giving out that doesn’t make any sense. Dempster, Gomes and Victorino. Even the Napoli deal is a lot of money.

  6. CountryClub December 13th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Joelsherman1 #Redsox have added Dempster/Victorino/Napoli(if passes physical)/Ross/Gomes/Uehara. Is that quality people/depth or bunch ordinary guys?

  7. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Repost:

    Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    austinmac December 13th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Why can’t the Yankees swallow their pride and facade and trade Cano if they won’t pay him what he wants? He will get it from someone. Reality.

    ————–

    They’re torn..

    The PR hit would be awful because it would finally confirm what we already know: These ain’t your daddy’s Yankees. They can’t afford for that to become the perception because they still want to push $1k seats. They also probably want to compete this year….. and missed the boat on extending/trading Cano for worth-while value. Maybe they’re hoping he gets hurt this year so they can make a play for him.. or maybe they are trying to keep money off the books in 2014 specifically to retain him.. I can’t even tell anymore.

    There is no plane.

  8. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Also – Cano is going to make a bigillion, trillion dollars.

  9. brianlopez22 December 13th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Cano is easily getting 8/200 from the Dodgers.
    No doubt about it now.

  10. CountryClub December 13th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN
    Ryan Dempster (590.2 innings, 4.04 ERA 2010-12), gets $26.5 million–about what R.A. Dickey (616 IP, 2.95 ERA ’10-12 Cy Young) asked for.

  11. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Cano is an all around better player than Hamilton… if he is able to correct his splits from last year this season and continue to play like 160 games, he might end up being the highest paid player in baseball.

  12. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    brianlopez22 December 13th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
    Cano is easily getting 8/200 from the Dodgers.
    No doubt about it now.

    ————————

    If that’s the case the Yankees are screwed but they have themselves to blame.

  13. CompassRosy December 13th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Jayson Stark ?@jaysonst
    Highest-paid position players by AAV: ARod $27.3M Hamilton $25M Howard $25M Pujols $24M. So that’s a $49-million middle of order in Anaheim

  14. brianlopez22 December 13th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    LAA should now trade Bourgos and their minor league 1B prospect to the Mutts for RA Dickey.

  15. G. Love December 13th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    I give the Angels credit. They make that offer & probably tell him he can’t shop it and if he waits, it goes poof. Then he can’t go back to the Rangers with it.

    Hamilton for 5 years is not a team killer. It’s a short term contract for a franchise player. He costs less than Tex.

    Good luck getting Cano for that kind of money.

  16. CompassRosy December 13th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Mike Trout ?@Trouty20
    Wow

    Retweeted by Buster Olney

  17. charlestonchew December 13th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    If the Cubs are willing to pay 26m/36m for Soriano, I don’t see why we’re not working to get his bat back in our lineup and in our outfield. It gives us all the more reason to trade Granderson–we may lose prospects getting Soriano, but we’d get them back by trading Granderson and replace Granderson’s production and have three average-to-plus arms in the OF in Ichiro, Gardner, Soriano.

    I think they need to at least consider this possibility.

  18. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    blake December 13th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
    “We’re barely the Yankees anymore. The hats and uniform’s say it, but the brains and “process” in the front office is strictly Walmart.”

    I remember thinking a couple of years ago how I wished Hamilton would reach free agency because surely the Yankees would be all over him……

    —————————–

    Everyone thought that especially after the HR derby. He put on a show

  19. Tyler December 13th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    I’m just going to enjoy this last year of Cano because he’s going to be in Dodger Blue in 2014.

  20. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Hamilton for 5 years is not a team killer.

    —————

    Especially not with all this extra revenue coming in.

    We’ve been talking about other teams catching up to our only advantage for a while… other teams aren’t afraid of these deals anymore. 1) They don’t need to be and 2) they know that if they win just one WS the deal is worth it.

  21. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    @Joelsherman1

    Was told #Angels were NOT team that jumped back in on Dickey earlier this week. #Mets.

  22. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    G. Love December 13th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
    I give the Angels credit. They make that offer & probably tell him he can’t shop it and if he waits, it goes poof. Then he can’t go back to the Rangers with it.

    Hamilton for 5 years is not a team killer. It’s a short term contract for a franchise player. He costs less than Tex.

    Good luck getting Cano for that kind of money.

    ——————–

    I’m amazed they kept it quiet. They did the same thing with Albert last yr.

  23. I Am Winning December 13th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    5/125 is great for both sides. 8-10 years at $25m a year is lopsided in favor of the player, 5 years is what a great player should get. He does have question marks, and he isn’t an elite defender, but he is good. I hope baseball has seen the last of contracts lasting 7+ years. No way someone can maintain $25m a year production for a decade, after they have been in baseball for 5+ years to even begin with.

    I’m assuming Yankee fans are going to freak throughout the day as they read this news.

    On the other hand, I was totally with the Yankees for not wanting to sign Swisher, but at this point he does a lot offensively and defensively, that they need to give him an offer. Even if it’s not the top offer, so be it, but make him a competitive offer. Ichiro as a 4th outfielder is great in my opinion.

  24. DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    - RANGER SHELL SHOCK -

    (1) HAMILTON – GONE

    (2) NAPOLI – GONE

    (3) PLAYOFF HOPES – GONE

  25. blake December 13th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Someone should write an obituary for the George Steinbrenner Yankees (maybe G Love)….for they are no longer with us.

  26. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Everyone thought that especially after the HR derby. He put on a show

    ——————-

    He hit the white facade!!!

    He literally was a few inches from driving a ball out of Yankee Stadium.

    Never seen anything like it in my life..

  27. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    blake December 13th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Someone should write an obituary for the George Steinbrenner Yankees (maybe G Love)….for they are no longer with us.

    —————-

    Any mentions of Jennifer Lopez earn you + points.

  28. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Tyler December 13th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    I’m just going to enjoy this last year of Cano because he’s going to be in Dodger Blue in 2014.

    ——————————

    Looks like they are going to lose the best player on their team :(

  29. Triple Short of a Cycle December 13th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Well I guess this means Swisher to Texas

  30. CountryClub December 13th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    The Yanks should offer Cano 5/125 and no more. Whoever signs him to 8+ years will not be happy a couple of years into that deal.

  31. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    I wonder if the A’s try to swoop in and sign Swish before Texas can even get their bearings…

  32. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    Everyone thought that especially after the HR derby. He put on a show

    ——————-

    He hit the white facade!!!

    He literally was a few inches from driving a ball out of Yankee Stadium.

    Never seen anything like it in my life..
    ——————

    Neither have I. It was unreal he literally made the stadium look small.

  33. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    CountryClub December 13th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
    The Yanks should offer Cano 5/125 and no more.

    —————————-

    They should have been proactive and offer that 2 yrs ago.

  34. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    @DKnobler

    I hear Hamilton deal with Angels was basically done last night.

  35. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    @DKnobler

    Rangers are really shaken by this, on heels of losing out on Greinke, Shields, Upton. Fair to say they don’t love any options out there.

  36. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    blake December 13th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    Someone should write an obituary for the George Steinbrenner Yankees (maybe G Love)….for they are no longer with us.

    ————————–

    I understand your frustration but 5 yrs ehhhhh I don’t know.

    I would have been ok with 3.

  37. DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Rangers minus Hamilton, makes Beltre a Much lesser hitter due to pitch-arounds. And Cruz ain’t No Hamilton at the plate.

  38. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Rangers are really shaken by this, on heels of losing out on Greinke, Shields, Upton. Fair to say they don’t love any options out there.

    Misery loves company, joooiinn uss. :twisted:

    Too bad they have Andrus, Profar, & Darvish :(

  39. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    I would much rather have Cano walk than see the Yankees give him 8 years.

  40. Warning Track Power December 13th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    So glad the Yankees did not sign Hamilton to 5 years and all that $$$

    Angels will regret this signing sooner than later

  41. UnKnown December 13th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Lucky for Hamilton there isn’t any drugs or alcohol in LA. Whew!!

  42. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Now that the Rangers are aching we should swoop in and grab Olt+ for Granderson.

  43. AAA December 13th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    Well I guess this means Swisher to Texas

    ===============================

    Either him or Bourn depending on how comfortable the Rangers are with a Martin/Gentry platoon in CF. Cruz in RF, Murphy in LF. Who DH’s? Olt?

    Either way, no reason to feel bad for Texas.

  44. G. Love December 13th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    As much as I don’t like him as a player, the Yankees should sign Swisher to a 4 year deal if they can keep him under 60 million and closer to 50 million for 4.

    At those costs, he’s a value buy in this market and then they should do everything possible to trade Granderson to one of the teams desperate for HR”s from an OF for some young guys.

    Seriously. That’s their best play right now. They need players for next year and a cost controlled Swisher locked in at middle class numbers for a guy who can OPS over .800 is about the best they can hope for.

    If Grandy has a rebound season with the average, they won’t be able to afford him or Cano.

    They need to plan ahead for 2014 and put some pieces on the roster for next year that have some talent and cost certainty.

  45. CompassRosy December 13th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    UnKnown December 13th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
    “Lucky for Hamilton there isn’t any drugs or alcohol in LA. Whew!!”

    ~

    http://tinyurl.com/dysathr

  46. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    I would be ok with letting Cano walk if they had a stud in the mL to take his place. Lets be honest guys we know the Yanks aren’t trading him.

  47. DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    So you replace Hamilton with Swish or Bourne??? HAHAHAHAHAHA

  48. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Now that the Rangers are aching we should swoop in and grab Olt+ for Granderson.

    ——————

    That’d be nice.. I dunno if they do it though. They might want to keep ALL the trade chips and just sign Swish. Depends on what facets of the game they value I guess, and if they’re willing to pony up for a more long term deal than Grandy’s one-off.

  49. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    @aandro

    Rangers GM Jon Daniels on Angels: They were a great team on paper beforehand. They’re a great team on paper now.

  50. CountryClub December 13th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    They should have been proactive and offer that 2 yrs ago.

    ————–

    I agree. Some of us said it at the time too.

  51. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    I would be ok with letting Cano walk if they had a stud in the mL to take his place. Lets be honest guys we know the Yanks aren’t trading him.

    ——————-

    I don’t like letting anybody walk for nothing.. especially a player of Cano’s caliber.

    It’s just frustrating to do that.. reminds me of the Mets not getting a thing for Reyes.

  52. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    @toriihunter48

    I was told money was tight but I guess the Arte had money hidden under a Mattress. Business is business but don’t lie.
    ——————-

    Hahahahahaha at Torii Hunter….

  53. blake December 13th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    @JeffPassan: Trout-Hamilton-Pujols possibly the best trio ever? Who’s better? Ruth-Gehrig-Combs? Duke-Campy-Hodges? A-Rod-Junior-Edgar?

    I think Cano, Tex, Youk can rival it :(

  54. Mike in Harrisburg December 13th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    I agree with you G. Love. At this point keep Swisher if the price is right. Move Grandy.

  55. UnKnown December 13th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Rosy –

    Yeah I know. It was meant to be sarcastic.

    Josh is going to do just fine out there with his addiction problems just like he would have done fine in NY as well.

    Stupid for NY not to sign him. Oh well…

  56. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    At the rate the AL west is going the Mariners & Astros window to win isn’t any time in the next decade

  57. CompassRosy December 13th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Torii Hunter ?@toriihunter48
    I was told money was tight but I guess the Arte had money hidden under a Mattress. Business is business but don’t lie.

  58. G. Love December 13th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Mike,

    It’s their only play in my opinion. You resign Swisher, trade Grandy and go with an OF of Gardner in CF, Swisher in RF, Ichiro in LF with a RH OF to platoon with them.

    And then get what you can for Grandy while you can. I don’t think the Rangers would ever trade with us, but I think you can deal him to Seattle or Atlanta or Philly for something good.

  59. blake December 13th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Jerkface says:
    December 13, 2012 at 3:23 pm
    Now that the Rangers are aching we should swoop in and grab Olt+ for Granderson.

    Yea but who plays LF for the Yankees then….they just don’t have the stones to do something like that

  60. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Yea but who plays LF for the Yankees then….they just don’t have the stones to do something like that

    Sign Swisher or whatever

  61. UnKnown December 13th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Hunter thinking that he should have gotten some of Josh’s money is really funny. C’mon Torii, if anyone is a broken down J-Lo it’s you.

  62. blake December 13th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    “Sign Swisher or whatever”

    I approve….but they are going to sign Scott Hairston or somebody worse to platoon with Ichiro and call is a winter…..

  63. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Pujols’ contract is obscene. 5 years for Hamilton is not that bad, good job by the Angels. They will still struggle to get a wild card because their pitching is terrible and their lineup after the 4 hitter is sub-par

  64. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Now that the Rangers are aching we should swoop in and grab Olt+ for Granderson.
    ———–

    Olt and David Murphy for Granderson is a plan I can live with.

  65. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Haha Torii Hunter is mad

    Torii Hunter ?@toriihunter48
    I was told money was tight but I guess the Arte had money hidden under a Mattress. Business is business but don’t lie.

  66. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
    Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    I would be ok with letting Cano walk if they had a stud in the mL to take his place. Lets be honest guys we know the Yanks aren’t trading him.

    ——————-

    I don’t like letting anybody walk for nothing.. especially a player of Cano’s caliber.

    It’s just frustrating to do that.. reminds me of the Mets not getting a thing for Reyes.

    ———————–

    I see where you’re coming from Shame

  67. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    They will still struggle to get a wild card because their pitching is terrible and their lineup after the 4 hitter is sub-par

    I really disagree about the pitching. Weaver-Wilson at the top is already good. Hanson, Saunders, Williams is about as good/risky as the Yankees 3-5 guys. They are gonna trade for a starter or sign someone else anyways…

    Kendrick-Trout-Pujols-Hamilton-Morales-Trumbo-Callaspo-Iannetta is good. I don’t think Morales/Trumbo/Ianetta are subpar, we know Kendrick can hit. Callaspo is like their weakest link and he can get on base if he bounces back.

  68. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    UnKnown December 13th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Hunter thinking that he should have gotten some of Josh’s money is really funny. C’mon Torii, if anyone is a broken down J-Lo it’s you.

    —————-

    +1

    Also… so true about the Mariners. Sorry Compass!

  69. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Pujols’ contract is obscene. 5 years for Hamilton is not that bad, good job by the Angels. They will still struggle to get a wild card because their pitching is terrible and their lineup after the 4 hitter is sub-par
    ————

    Trout
    Aybar
    Hamilton
    Pujols
    Morales
    Trumbo
    Kendrick
    Callaspo
    Ianetta

    But yes, their pitching after Weaver and Wilson stinks. You would think they’ll go out and sign Jackson or Marcum

  70. UnKnown December 13th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Halos Heaven is exploding. Angel fans hate this.

    They built up a really hatred of Hamilton while he was in Texas.

  71. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    CountryClub December 13th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
    They should have been proactive and offer that 2 yrs ago.

    ————–

    I agree. Some of us said it at the time too.
    —————

    He might have taken it too. Boras wasn’t in the picture yet.

  72. DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Swisher would do More good for the Yankees, if he were on the Texas roster.

  73. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    They will still struggle to get a wild card because their pitching is terrible and their lineup after the 4 hitter is sub-par

    I really disagree about the pitching. Weaver-Wilson at the top is already good. Hanson, Saunders, Williams is about as good/risky as the Yankees 3-5 guys. They are gonna trade for a starter or sign someone else anyways…
    —————-

    The Angels signed Joe Saunders? Or were you thinking Joe Blanton.

    And no, Hanson, Blanton and Williams are a lot lot worse than Andy, Hughes and Nova/Pineda.

  74. Warning Track Power December 13th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    If I were Swisher, I would want to play in Texas vs the very, very spacious
    AT&T Park in SF!

    Is there really a debate if you’re a hitter which park would best serve you?

  75. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    I confuse Saunders/Blanton, both are mediocre innings eaters named Joe. Point stands.

    Hanson has the potential to be really good. Think of him like Andy. Blanton is Nova. Williams can be Hughes. And they’re going to sign someone else.

  76. The Return of Stoneburner December 13th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Hanson, Saunders, Williams

    *****

    Who is Saunders?

  77. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Trout, Hamilton, Pujols, Trumbo, Morales could all hit 30 HRs :<

  78. Russell Munson December 13th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Halos Heaven is exploding. Angel fans hate this.

    They built up a really hatred of Hamilton while he was in Texas.

    *********************************************

    It’s a lot like the Yankees signing Youkilis. Except for the whole way better player thing.

  79. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    I confuse Saunders/Blanton, both are mediocre innings eaters named Joe. Point stands.

    Hanson has the potential to be really good. Think of him like Andy. Blanton is Nova. Williams can be Hughes. And they’re going to sign someone else.
    —————

    Rule number one from GM fight club is never talk about GM fight club. But rule number two is that you never ever trade for a pitcher that the Braves are willing to deal away. Hanson and Blanton were both brutal in the NL – they’ll be worse in the AL.

  80. Warning Track Power December 13th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    I heard a report out of Milwaukee that claims
    Bud Selig is prepared to hand over the 2013 WS Trophy to
    The Angels within the next few hours.
    Presentation will be held at Disneyland

  81. DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    “Potential”, “can be” says it all.

  82. chicken little December 13th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Any rotation with Weaver up top is pretty solid. Plus, with their excess offense, I bet the Angels figure out a way to get another #2, #3 starter type.

  83. Russell Munson December 13th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Who is Saunders?

    ****************

    Joe, formerly of the Angels, Diamondbacks and most recently Baltimore. You remember the ALDS, right?

  84. UnKnown December 13th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Well that went the last chance to throw money at the problem.

    If this team plans to get a lot better before the season starts, it will have to be done through a trade. Which is like shooting dice with the devil.

    They can get a little better with a small signing or two, but not a lot.

  85. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Weaver is an ace but Wilson is not that great. If Hanson is healthy their rotation will be solid, otherwise it looks pretty bad to me.

    Morales
    Trumbo
    Kendrick
    Callaspo
    Ianetta

    That’s not bad but its nothing special. It’s not supposed to be special because it’s the 5-9 hitters, my point is that the lineup isn’t good enough to carry them into the playoffs. And with the current pitching staff they would need a lineup that could score 850-900 runs if they want to comfortably win the division.

  86. The Return of Stoneburner December 13th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Russell Munson December 13th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
    Who is Saunders?

    ****************

    Joe, formerly of the Angels, Diamondbacks and most recently Baltimore. You remember the ALDS, right?

    ****

    Then how did he end up back on the Angels – thought he was a FA this offseason – - – -

  87. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    But rule number two is that you never ever trade for a pitcher that the Braves are willing to deal away.

    Of course, its what I said when the deal broke, but you can’t write him off until he is actually dead :) I think they’ll get another guy and push Blanton to 5th spot and Hanson to the 4th spot. Jackson, Marcum. Heck they could double up on the guys I confused and get Joe saunders, I think he is still out there. Which makes me wonder why they didn’t get him instead of Blanton to start with.

  88. PhiltheThrill December 13th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    The market for Granderson should be back up, now.

  89. DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    There’s NO truth to the rumor that Bud Selig is the half-brother of the late Andy Rooney.

  90. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    But Patrick – I think you’re forgetting a name that hasn’t even been mentioned…THEY HAVE VERNON WELLS!!!!

  91. brianlopez22 December 13th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    I was at the HR derby and his performance was absurd.

    But his HR off Andy pettitte in that awesome Andy vs Cliff Lee playoff game was more imprerssive.
    He took a low and away cutter and was fooled, only to flick his wrist at it and hit into the RF porch.

    Sitting behind home plate for that game, I saw the location, I was about to stand up for the punch out only to watch the ball carry through the night.

    Ridiculous.
    He could’ve hit 75 HRs if he was a Yankee.
    Now, we have nothing.

  92. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Jerkface -

    I agree they’ll probably ink Marcum or E-Jack

  93. Nick in SF December 13th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    The 5-9 hitters are fine and they’ll be up 5-0 after the 1-4 hitters anyway. No chance against them nkw and all because Hal likes to take filthy showers with stacks of hundred dollar bills. :mad: mad: :mad:

  94. UnKnown December 13th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Munson – Yeah they will get over it after Hamilton hits 40 bombs and drives in 130 next year.

  95. tucker December 13th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    So do the Angels sign Cano next year for 8 year, $180 million?

  96. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    tucker December 13th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    So do the Angels sign Cano next year for 8 year, $180 million?
    ————-

    Dodgers

  97. UnKnown December 13th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    “He could’ve hit 75 HRs if he was a Yankee.”

    Yes Sir. Yankees would’ve instantly been W.S. favorites by signing Hamilton.

  98. Benny Blanco December 13th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    I love that other teams are opening their wallet. Just because you win in the offseason doesn’t mean you’ll win during the season.

    Teams that hated the Yankees for spending money are now adopting that philosophy. Lets see where that gets them.

  99. PacoDooley December 13th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    I have to say, I am absolutely amazed at how many players will make more than A-Rod by the time we get to 2015. here is my quick look:

    A-Rod: $22M
    Pujols: $24M
    Hamilton: $25M
    Fielder: $24M
    Grienke $25M
    Sabathia: $23M

  100. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    But Patrick – I think you’re forgetting a name that hasn’t even been mentioned…THEY HAVE VERNON WELLS!!!!

    Damn how could I forget Vernon!? Start fitting them for rings, Vernon will carry them to a championship!

    Seriously though, worst contract ever? Followed by the worst trade ever?

  101. yankeefeminista December 13th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    5/125 and not a peep from the East. SMH.

  102. Warning Track Power December 13th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Benny Blanco December 13th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
    I love that other teams are opening their wallet. Just because you win in the offseason doesn’t mean you’ll win during the season.

    Teams that hated the Yankees for spending money are now adopting that philosophy. Lets see where that gets them.
    ————————————————————————————-
    I am thinking the very same thing.
    Ridiculous to think the Yankees are “losers” for not making the big splash in Nov/Dec 2012.
    There are times when having too many superstars can ruin a team and does not guarantee success.
    There are also times when having very good player who know their roles can be the “team” in all of baseball.
    Just because a player earns tens of millions per year does not mean the player is worthy
    of that money.

  103. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    @TheGarfoose

    My favorite baseball player is Payroll. He wins every game… at least until the season starts.

    Hehehehehe..

  104. Hassey December 13th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    I have to think the Angels will now trade some offense to clear room and/or payroll – Trumbo? Morales? If they keep all these guys, and keep them healthy, they could score 1000 runs

  105. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    There’s NO truth to the rumor that Bud Selig is the half-brother of the late Andy Rooney.

    ————

    …wtf??

    And I love that you guys think it will somehow bite these teams in the ass for spending money… all it did for the Yankees was get us to the playoffs every year for like 2 decades. As long as these guys are getting extra revenue for doing nothing thanks to the new tv deal, it isn’t going to hurt them nearly as badly as you think. If they win even one WS over the length of these contracts, it will definitely be considered worth it. Teams like the Angels can milk one of those for a decade.

  106. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    If they keep all these guys, and keep them healthy, they could score 1000 runs

    Not a chance in hell

  107. blake December 13th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    @OldHossRadbourn: #2: W. Mays. Just remember this phrase: “Greenies are ok because of nostalgia.” Repeat.

  108. mick December 13th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    So the idea was to destroy the Yankees as we knew them so others could have their turn?

    And the Yankees pushed that deal along?

    Do I have that right?

  109. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    That Angels lineup can be an .850+ lineup I think, but 1000 is reserved for like the 07 Yankees team and they didn’t even do it.

  110. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    @DAVIDprice14

    lol angels…starter gets a win against that team it should be worth 2 wins haha

    I love that players have twitter and actually use it

  111. Hassey December 13th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Patrick – which?
    you don’t think they keep everyone?
    you don’t think they all stay healthy?
    or
    you don’t think they score 1000 runs?

    I luv their O, soft spot in my heart

  112. UnKnown December 13th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Good news is we won’t need Josh to pound Dempster. It’s going to be fun watching him get rocked routinely in the East.

    Nice signing Sux. LOL

  113. chicken little December 13th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Have to believe Cashman (or Levine overruling Cashman)will make a “big move” this off-season (and by big I don’t necessarily believe it will be for a huge payroll increase). i just hope it isn’t something stupid.

  114. Warning Track Power December 13th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Josh will get paid in L.A. but imagine the amount of pressure he will have to face
    day after day in order to justify the contract & the daily questions about his sobriety and past demons.
    Those two factors just might wear him down mentally and cause a big distraction in the clubhouse.

  115. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    you don’t think they score 1000 runs?

    You need to look at 1000 run offenses in the past and see how much they blow all lineups out of the water. The 07 & 09 Yankees had awesome players at every position and only got to 960 and 900 runs.

  116. CompassRosy December 13th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    moved from ex M’s to ex Halos?

    ;)

    Hardball Talk ?@HardballTalk
    Yankees sign catcher Bobby Wilson http://dlvr.it/2dWlJs #mlb #hbt

  117. The Return of Stoneburner December 13th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Great stuff out of Ft. Worth – Rangers braintrust – Nolan, Daniels and his crew, organizational officials and owners at a Christmas St. Nick party at noon today with the local Dallas media when the Hamilton news broke – turned into a team friendly PR let’s pat ourselves on the bat party to a complete fiasco – - – -Rangers taken by surprise and first signs of panic – - – -

  118. blake December 13th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    @OldHossRadbourn: #1: G. Ruth. A fine pick if you believe never playing against anyone other than whites is a fair measure of greatness.* *-exception: me.

  119. mick December 13th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    The Angels and the Dodgers are the new Yankees and Red Sox.

  120. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    @ Hassey The angels will trade at least 1 of the 3 players that are on the block.

  121. Tyler December 13th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    I’m way more excited about Bobby Wilson anyway

    :(

  122. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    The best offense of the last 4 seasons was the 2009 Yankees so when I evaluate a lineup I always think back to that team and how the lineup I’m looking at would compare. 2007 Yankees is also a good comparison, that lineup was freaking stacked. Obviously these are super high standards to compare against but if you want to talk about an ELITE offense that’s what you have to compare to.

    I think the 2013 Angels as constituted could score between 800-850 runs. I tend to think it would be more toward the lower side of that range though. The Angels will be really good next season but there is some good competition in their division.

  123. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Hardball Talk ?@HardballTalk
    Yankees sign catcher Bobby Wilson http://dlvr.it/2dWlJs #mlb #hbt

    ————————-

    I smell number 28 coming lol

  124. Tyler December 13th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    mick December 13th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
    The Angels and the Dodgers are the new Yankees and Red Sox.
    ———————————————————–

    The Angels and Dodgers share a city “rivalry” but these aren’t similar besides the money spent. Yanks-Sox was a direct arms race to win the division.

  125. blake December 13th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    I think Hamilton did that on purpose…..A little shot for Mr Young who was lied to on multiple occasions….also for the things ole Nolan said after the season

  126. blake December 13th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    I don’t even know who Bobby Wilson is?

  127. mick December 13th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Yanks-Sox was a direct arms race to win the division.
    ===========================
    key word being “was.?”

  128. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1
    #Yankees still positive deal gets done with Ichiro, but resigned now it’s going to take 2 yrs, in part because #Phillies offered 2-$14M.

    Ugh…

  129. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    But Patrick – I think you’re forgetting a name that hasn’t even been mentioned…THEY HAVE VERNON WELLS!!!!

    Damn how could I forget Vernon!? Start fitting them for rings, Vernon will carry them to a championship!

    Seriously though, worst contract ever? Followed by the worst trade ever?
    ————-

    Contract was ok at the time – no one could have predicted how craptastic he would be. I give the Soriano the nod for worst contract.

    I would give the Braves the nod for worst trade – you give up Feliz, Andrus, Salty and more for a guy you have no ability to sign, knowing you have no chance to sign him and then you turn him into Casey flippin’ Kotchman

  130. The Return of Stoneburner December 13th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Wish I could have been over in Ft. Worth today – it would have been like the shootout scene from Godfather III in Atlantic City – only Hamilton played the part of Joey ZaZa and did his own execution of the Ranger commission – - – -

  131. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Ruben Amaro Jr. needs to go away .. you already got Lohud Superstar Ben Revere, stop driving up the price for Ichiro

  132. blake December 13th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    @Joelsherman1: #Yankees still positive deal gets done with Ichiro, but resigned now it’s going to take 2 yrs, in part because #Phillies offered 2-$14M.

    Lol

  133. Tyler December 13th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Just looked back at the ’07 lineup.. anyway we can get that lineup and match it with the pitching from last year? That ’07 staff and ‘pen was horrendous.

  134. Tyler December 13th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    mick December 13th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
    Yanks-Sox was a direct arms race to win the division.
    ===========================
    key word being “was.?”
    ————————————————————-

    They’ve stopped making reactionary deals to each other, so yes in my opinion.

  135. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    2 yrs for Ichiro what the f…………..

  136. The Return of Stoneburner December 13th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    Best bargain in ’13 offseason. #HIROK @tunavitale Dempster got $26.5M. Wow.. HIROK deal keeps looking better and better.

  137. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Warning Track Power December 13th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Josh will get paid in L.A. but imagine the amount of pressure he will have to face
    day after day in order to justify the contract & the daily questions about his sobriety and past demons.
    Those two factors just might wear him down mentally and cause a big distraction in the clubhouse.

    —————-

    On a team with Pujols and Trout? You’re reaching. There are plenty of talented players to help carry the load over there.

    Any reporter asking him daily questions about his sobriety should be fired

  138. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Contract was ok at the time – no one could have predicted how craptastic he would be. I give the Soriano the nod for worst contract.

    I would give the Braves the nod for worst trade – you give up Feliz, Andrus, Salty and more for a guy you have no ability to sign, knowing you have no chance to sign him and then you turn him into Casey flippin’ Kotchman

    —-

    On the trade, yeah maybe.

    About the worst contract ever, I still say Wells is worse than Soriano. Wells completely fell off a cliff after signing that deal. At least Soriano has provided some return.

  139. MoRings42 December 13th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Wow Angels just got scary..

    It is funny though when you think about the amount of money the Angels – Dodgers have spent compared to the SF Giants who have won 2 championships in the past few years.

  140. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    blake December 13th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    I don’t even know who Bobby Wilson is?
    —————–

    wasn’t he a Beach Boy

  141. The Return of Stoneburner December 13th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Can’t wait to see Hamilton’s first start in Hamilton – if he thinks he was booed in the Wildcard play in game for his 4 outs on 8 pitches – oh man – - – -

  142. mick December 13th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    They’ve stopped making reactionary deals to each other, so yes in my opinion.
    ================================
    Now they can battle for next to last place…

  143. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    There are plenty of talented players to help carry the load over there.

    —————-

    And he has a friend in Wilson.

  144. The Return of Stoneburner December 13th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Ouch for Daniels – he did want Hamilton back – they offered Hamilton 4 years and 100 mil last week – - – -

  145. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Contract was ok at the time – no one could have predicted how craptastic he would be. I give the Soriano the nod for worst contract.

    I would give the Braves the nod for worst trade – you give up Feliz, Andrus, Salty and more for a guy you have no ability to sign, knowing you have no chance to sign him and then you turn him into Casey flippin’ Kotchman

    —-

    On the trade, yeah maybe.

    About the worst contract ever, I still say Wells is worse than Soriano. Wells completely fell off a cliff after signing that deal. At least Soriano has provided some return.
    ————

    Yeah but Wells is bad in hindsight. Soriano was bad before the ink was dry.

  146. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    ‘No one could have predicted..’ is the best line besides ‘best shape of his life.’

  147. The Return of Stoneburner December 13th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Jon Daniels disappointed with the way it went down – Hamilton did not give Rangers a chance to match as promised – - – -

  148. mick December 13th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Was Geo. Bush somehow behind this deal?

  149. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Either way – they’re both horrific deals. Right up there with Carl Crawford, Carl Pavano, and now Shane Victorino

  150. Doreen December 13th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Ichiro for two years? Sigh.

  151. The Return of Stoneburner December 13th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Have not seen bridges burn this bad since that bridge on the River Kwai detonated – - – -

  152. The Return of Stoneburner December 13th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Ichiro Suzuki is turning down a two-year, $14MM contract offer from the Phillies to sign with the Yankees, according to Olney.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#8oX29ZQ333z5iW0G.99

  153. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    The Yanks should just step away from Ichiro. Try to sign Swisher or make a trade. Giving Ichiro a 2 year deal is crazy. But of course the Yanks will do it because it will only take $6-7m a year and they don’t want to spend more $.

  154. MoRings42 December 13th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    2 yrs at 14 is a steal.. we can beat that price and give Ichiro an option for a 3rd.. The japanese money will equal it out + the 3000 hit year will drive advertising through the roof for any team that has him.

  155. mick December 13th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    3rd year team option for Ichiro?
    In case he’s a hit or 2 shy of 3K…

  156. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Warning Track Power December 13th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Josh will get paid in L.A. but imagine the amount of pressure he will have to face
    day after day in order to justify the contract & the daily questions about his sobriety and past demons.
    Those two factors just might wear him down mentally and cause a big distraction in the clubhouse.

    —————-

    On a team with Pujols and Trout? You’re reaching. There are plenty of talented players to help carry the load over there.

    Any reporter asking him daily questions about his sobriety should be fired
    ————-

    LA has never been known as a pressure cooker when dealing with the press. That said, daily questions about his sobriety are fair game. He’s made it part of his life. He has to deal with it.

  157. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    mick December 13th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
    3rd year team option for Ichiro?
    In case he’s a hit or 2 shy of 3K…

    ———————

    What???

  158. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    I disagree Chip, Wells was not a superstar at the time of that deal. He was coming off his career worst season and had only had 1 season where he was a legitimate top player. Soriano was coming off a monster season with the Nats and had been a really good offensive player for awhile.

    And if you just look at the value from each player over the life of their contracts, Soriano far exceeds Wells. 19.7 WAR over 6 seasons for Soriano vs 6.4 WAR over 5 seasons for Wells.

  159. UnKnown December 13th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Trade Alex to the Angels for Hamilton. LOL

    Get it done Cash.

  160. The Return of Stoneburner December 13th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Angels were already a terrible failure and embarrassment in 2012 not making the playoffs – they will have tremendous pressure on them in 2013 – - – -

  161. blake December 13th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner says:
    December 13, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    Jon Daniels disappointed with the way it went down – Hamilton did not give Rangers a chance to match as promised – – – -

    What goes around comes around…..

  162. mick December 13th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    If Swisher were not such a loser I would say deal Grandy and get Swish.
    The idea of Soriano as a righty bat is interesting, but we are too cheap.

  163. UnKnown December 13th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Daniels had plenty of time to get serious with Josh if he wanted to.

    He played the same game with Lee.

    Daniels has nothing to b*tch about.

  164. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Either way – they’re both horrific deals. Right up there with Carl Crawford, Carl Pavano, and now Shane Victorino

    A-rod’s extension with the Yanks will probably rank up there once it’s all said and done :(

  165. mick December 13th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Who will the Angels be pitching?

  166. Bring in the Goose December 13th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Trade Hughes for Trumbo. Put Trumbo in left, Gardy in Center, Granderson in right?

    We need Hughes, I know, but he’d be back home in Anaheim and we’d add a righty power bat.

  167. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Oh Ryan Howard’s contract is also REALLY bad. Mike Hampton, Kevin Brown…

  168. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    The 2nd A-rod deal is pretty bad.

  169. mick December 13th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Pavano and Igawa were precursors to Hal’s philosophy.
    Did I word that right?

  170. mick December 13th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    They are printing the cover to our 2014 yearbook as we speak with Ichiro and Jeter as our 40 year poster boys.

  171. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    The 2nd A-rod deal is pretty bad.

    The second one is pretty bad but the first one was actually completely fair. If you look at what he was paid compared to what he produced he was absolutely worth the money. Yanks should have let him go when he opted out though …

  172. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    The Angels new TV deal gives them 147 million per year and 25% equity in the sports network. Money making machine.

  173. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Joelsherman1 Sent out bunch queries and diverse opinion on #Angels signing Hamilton huge: 1 AL exec called it “last-second knee-jerk stupidity” (cont)

    Joelsherman1 1 NL exec called it “brilliant move” to score “by far best player on mkt” to diversify “predominantly RH-hit lineup” #Angels

  174. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Either way – they’re both horrific deals. Right up there with Carl Crawford, Carl Pavano, and now Shane Victorino

    A-rod’s extension with the Yanks will probably rank up there once it’s all said and done
    —————

    pretty sure we’re there now

    don’t forget Bay, Giambi, Helton, Darren Driefort, Chan Ho Park, Adrian Beltre (Sea) Ritchie Sexson, and Johan Santana.

  175. chicken little December 13th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Angels better win it all over the next 3 years, because they are going to be stuck with some pretty bad contracts after that …

  176. Tyler December 13th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Moreno can more than cover the contracts on that team now. Money isn’t the issue for the Angels.. they just could be in a bit of trouble if Pujols/Hamilton’s production drops off badly toward the end of those deals.

  177. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Giambi’s deal was not nearly as bad as some of the other ones we are talking about. It wasn’t great but it wasn’t a complete disaster like Wells, Howard, etc.

  178. The Return of Stoneburner December 13th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    DECEMBER 13: Without mentioning Napoli by name, GM Ben Cherington provided an update on the deal, Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald reports. “We’re working through some things in regards to another player,” Cherington said.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#Yd6VStHdOesD8jGf.99

  179. Ys Guy December 13th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    the second ard contract is horrific. he’s not even going to finish it, imo.

    he’s going to finish 3rd all time in HR’s (saving the yankees $12M at least)

  180. ron December 13th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    I’d trade granderson,and cano.
    One of them,or both to the rangers for profar,olt,and a pitching prospect,then sign swisher,wich keeps our payroll down in 2013,then look for other players.
    A 3b,2b,etc…
    I’m not saying trade them to be cheap,i say trade them for the prospects,then sign free agents the next few years.
    I think that’s the way to go.
    Within a few years the angels,dodgers,tigers will be sunk with all these big,untradeable players.
    Look at the phillies.
    Trading for big name,older players,instead of the opposite.

  181. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Giambi’s deal ended up being pretty good for a long term one. He OPS’d .900 over the life of it and though he had injuries interspersed throughout he finished strong.

    I was gonna say A-rod’s deal isn’t that bad performance wise but then I remembered 5 more years.

  182. sunny615 December 13th, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    the 2013 Yankees almost as old as the old timer Yankees.

  183. joeman December 13th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Ichiro Suzuki two years no way…

  184. joeman December 13th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    if they are going for that 189 mil in 14..then trade away the players that they can trade, clean the place out and get younger

  185. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Ken Rosenthal?@Ken_Rosenthal

    Hamilton deal gives every appearance of an impulse buy by #Angels’ Moreno. Source says team didn’t even discuss Hamilton at winter meetings.

  186. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    That said, daily questions about his sobriety are fair game. He’s made it part of his life. He has to deal with it.

    ——————

    You’d ask a guy every day if he’s had a drink or done any class A drugs??

    You can’t be serious.

  187. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    That said, daily questions about his sobriety are fair game. He’s made it part of his life. He has to deal with it.

    ——————

    You’d ask a guy every day if he’s had a drink or done any class A drugs??

    You can’t be serious.
    ———–

    No, but I would ask, every day, how he’s avoiding the temptations that are all around him.

  188. joeman December 13th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Sea looking for a hitter…trade them Cano and get that catcher back plus

  189. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    If the Yankees strike out on Hairston and Ross I would look for them to try and sign Carlos Lee.

  190. joeman December 13th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    that 25 mil is what Cano will want per year….

  191. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Jack Curry?@JackCurryYES

    Youkilis had his physical today and passed, according to a source. The Yankees should officially announce 1-year, $12 million deal soon.

  192. tucker December 13th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    If I was a Yanks decision maker, I’d want no part of Ross. He is an extreme pull, fly ball hitter. Many of those balls that went over the Monster would be fly outs in Yankee Stadium.

  193. joeman December 13th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
    Jack Curry?@JackCurryYES

    Youkilis had his physical today and passed, according to a source. The Yankees should officially announce 1-year, $12 million deal soon.

    ————————————
    SOB

  194. austinmac December 13th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Two years to a forty year old but none could be given a younger player. Nice reading the market Yankees.

    I have become more and more convinced Hal’s cap is a killer, but these guys making the decisions are doing nothing but winging it.

  195. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    No, but I would ask, every day, how he’s avoiding the temptations that are all around him.

    Every day? Come on ….

  196. joeman December 13th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    don’t know if it’s true but did hear that Youkilis drove in 1 run in his last 59 AB’s this past season..should fit right in with this team

  197. Tyler December 13th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Give the physical over. Need a 2nd physician’s opinion.

  198. numbersguy December 13th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Lets hope Yanks do match the Philly offer for Ichiro. I’d rather have Dickerson than Ichiro, I’m sure Chad agrees. ;-)

  199. Tyler December 13th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    austinmac December 13th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
    Two years to a forty year old but none could be given a younger player. Nice reading the market Yankees.

    I have become more and more convinced Hal’s cap is a killer, but these guys making the decisions are doing nothing but winging it.
    ——————————————————————-

    It’s more than possible to win on a budget… I am just not sure that the current Yanks FO are the people to do that.

  200. NYY_Girl_Penny December 13th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    I officially hate the steinbrenner kids.. and my hate for them is for their fathers sake. He’s screaming down from heaven right now.

    anybody that is even mentioning “I wouldnt want to spend N amount” and is a Yankee fan, is just an idiot. Yeah, let’s be on the side of the Yankees ownership to maximize personal profits while sticking the “LOYAL” fans for their mistakes by shoving mediocre excrement at us while they get richer and richer.. yeah, I am a smart fan, let’s let the billion dollar franchise penny pinch … these new yankees are worse than jeffrey loria and the marlins. PATHETIC!

    wonder if yankees ever even made hamilton an offer? Lost said they talked 5 years with him Lost, if you are reading this shed some light on the disgrace of the yankees management?

    I give up.. I cant wait to see the backlash the yankees get from this. How many players have they passed on since signing the bum Tex? Yankees penny pinching and not signing anyone for 4 years now.. what is this opposite world??? Can’t wait until they finish under .500. man am I mad!!!!

    oh and who was the first to say 2yrs for Ichiro? I wonder.

  201. numbersguy December 13th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    * DON’T match the offer for Ichiro
    Opps

  202. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

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    Very true… it’s tough when so much of 189 is tied up in so few players. That being said, they could have helped the situation a little in past years.. I think they can do it… Ichiro will be interesting to see whether they give 2 years or not. That will frame some of my opinion.

    Yep. As Jerkface has been saying.. Cespedes, Darvish and Chapman would have helped!

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    Melky got 2/17….the 27 year old batting champ….

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    Melky got 2/17….the 27 year old batting champ….

    yeah batting champ the only year he was found dirty on peds. nice, wonder why bonds is not in the HOF??? /brightsy

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    That would be a nice deal, Yanks should definitely pull the trigger if that’s available.

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    “I’d put him in RF and Ichiro in LF.”

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