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Rivera gives Youkilis his blessing; Joba reaches out

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 13, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Even before Kevin Youkilis agreed to terms with the Yankees, both Alex Rodriguez and Robinson Cano already had given their Yankees blessing to the long-time Red Sox third baseman. Now Mariano Rivera has done the same.

“One thing I know, the guy plays hard,” Rivera said at yesterday’s holiday food drive. “Definitely, the Yankees (fans) won’t like him because he was wearing the Red Sox uniform. I don’t see why not. I can’t decide for them, but he will be my teammate and I have to respect that. … Again, all these years that we competed against (him), the guy always gives you the best. And that’s what you want for any player, just give you the best.”

What’s more, the New York Post reports that Joba Chamberlain called Youkilis and left a voicemail to try to clear the air.

At yesterday’s food drive, Rivera once again said expects to be ready for Opening Day. He’s not 100 percent just yet, but he’s nearly ready to begin a throwing program.

“I don’t want to give you a number, I don’t want to speculate, but I’m feeling good,” Rivera said. “The leg is getting stronger and stronger, and that’s it. You have to give it time. I am doing my part, and time is doing its part. … My arm is good. Everything else feels good, so I will start throwing the baseball pretty soon.”

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402 Responses to “Rivera gives Youkilis his blessing; Joba reaches out”

  1. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource

    @juice33nyc Definitely, but during the season they had solid stretches of hitting w RISP as well. In 2012 playoffs they simply didn’t hit.

  2. Ys Guy December 13th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    soriano on the yankees wouldn’t kill me but i just dont think he’s worth giving up anything of value for.

  3. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    @Buster_ESPN

    As Ichiro signs with the Yankees, he’ll be turning down a two-year, $14 million offer from the Phillies.

    ——–

    I hope he’s taking less money from us… he has to be right?

  4. DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    A-Rod giving an incoming player “his blessing”? Like he’s some kinda elder statesman for the Yankees? This smacks of Al Haig and the, “I’m in charge” declaration. Ridiculous and Hilarious at the same time.

  5. jacksquat December 13th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Soriano’s defense is kind of irrelevant to me. I just don’t want to trade a good prospect for a guy that is likely mostly going to only be used vs lhp. And you know Theo/Hoyer is going to want a good prospect, they have said as much.

    Morse is nice but he costs 6.75 mil and he is going to require considerably more in trade, for one year.

    Don’t trade good prospects for short term role players.

  6. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    soriano on the yankees wouldn’t kill me but i just dont think he’s worth giving up anything of value for.

    Same, given their apparent self induced options they should look into him, but I wouldn’t give up any real prospect for him.

  7. DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Again, I go with Hairston.

  8. Cashmoney December 13th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    I wonder what Joba said to Youk… “Sorry man, when one’s head occupies 2/3 of one’s body mass, mistake can happen? I was little off that day on top of it ”

    “Sorry man, somehow i got you mistaken for the guy who got caught in how to catch a predator”

  9. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    I doubt Soriano is in the budget. We are all focused on the 2014 budget but don’t forget, Hal has put restrictions on the yearly budget for the last few years now. I doubt he would approve another $18 million for Soriano. Soriano is also due $18 million in 2014 and has a no-trade .. I doubt a trade would happen.

  10. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    The tweet this discussion is based off of says the Cubs would eat all but 10 million of Soriano’s deal.

  11. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    The tweet this discussion is based off of says the Cubs would eat all but 10 million of Soriano’s deal.

    Guess I missed that. If the Cubs were willing to eat that much money they would probably expect a substantial return on him. I still don’t think it’s likely to happen

  12. DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    And as usual, a higher asking price, (prospect), would be expected from the Yanks by Theo.

  13. MTU December 13th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    “Don’t trade good prospects for short term role players.”

    Agree 100 %.

    Reminds me of a movie title “The Road to Perdition”.

    ;)

  14. MTU December 13th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Cash-

    He probably said, ” I used to be a Cannibal but I’ve stopped headhunting.”

    :)

  15. austinmac December 13th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    The Tigers outscored the Yankees 19-6 last year with most of our runs on Ibanez home runs. I would say maybe they needed more a hit here or there.

    They scored two runs total in the last three games. Now, we know Cashman’s handle is Yankee Source.

  16. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    I really believe YankeeSource is a pacific rim scout who has connections in the scouting community & the NPB, but that don’t mean he is genius baseball guy. He says some wacky stuff. Some of it I think is just trying to look level headed for the public.

  17. chicken little December 13th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    The Yanks outplayed the Tigers in one inning during the entire series. the ninth inning of game 1. Its one thing to say if a hit here or there fell in the series would have been different. its another thing when you argue if 15 balls fall in plus swisher catching several catchable balls the series would have been different.

  18. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    its another thing when you argue if 15 balls fall in plus swisher catching several catchable balls the series would have been different.

    Yea, the Yankees weren’t a bad bounce away from victory. They needed multiple bad bounces go their way in each game to win that series. It was an awful series.

  19. austinmac December 13th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    In the playoffs last year, the Yankees scored 22 runs in 9 games for a 2.4 runs/game average. Eliminating the first game vs. the O’s in which they scored seven, they averaged under 2 runs.

    I watched the games, and they did not hit balls hard that were caught. They simply did not hit at all.

    I was hoping for at least one good bat too be added. No such luck.

  20. Cashmoney December 13th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    I say this, if Ichiro indeed turned down a more lucrative deals to sign with the Yanks, I have to give it to him along with kuroda as one of the few players where money doesn’t represent everything.

  21. Tyler December 13th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Yeah the ALCS was lopsided. Game 2 was close for a while because of Kuroda but the Yanks never really even threatened after the first 2 innings against Sanchez. And they had zero chance against Verlander, who didn’t even look that sharp.

  22. Tyler December 13th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    austinmac December 13th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
    In the playoffs last year, the Yankees scored 22 runs in 9 games for a 2.4 runs/game average. Eliminating the first game vs. the O’s in which they scored seven, they averaged under 2 runs.

    I watched the games, and they did not hit balls hard that were caught. They simply did not hit at all.

    I was hoping for at least one good bat too be added. No such luck.
    ——————————————————————————–

    The only time that I thought they ran into bad luck was the 1st inning of the ALCS game 1 when Peralta made the diving play to rob A-Rod with the bases loaded. Other than that, the Yanks didn’t even make that great of contact.

  23. blake December 13th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    If YankeeSource is a real scout then some of what he says is prime example of why not to trust what scouts say…..

  24. sunny615 December 13th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    barf…

  25. sunny615 December 13th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    youkilis… sigh

  26. 38HotDogs December 13th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Strictly a rumor, but the person who told me about Pujols signing with the Angels, says the Angels are in serious negotiations with Hamilton. Grain of salt but interesting.

  27. RadioKev December 13th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    I really believe YankeeSource is a pacific rim scout who has connections in the scouting community & the NPB, but that don’t mean he is genius baseball guy. He says some wacky stuff. Some of it I think is just trying to look level headed for the public.
    ————-

    I’ll definitely agree with that. I certainly don’t think every single word he tweets is worth reposting and analyzing. However, I generally agree with his sentiment about the team.

  28. Warning Track Power December 13th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Joba did the right thing by reaching out to Youk and clearing the air.
    I’m sure all 24 guys on the opening day roster will show respect towards Youk. As if that is even a question.
    This is not the Yankees from the 70′s with Billy Martin as the manager setting a poor example.
    The Yankees have Girardi as the manager and he will lead by example.

  29. sunny615 December 13th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    The rivalry has become the battle of the basement…

  30. RadioKev December 13th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    38HotDogs December 13th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    Strictly a rumor, but the person who told me about Pujols signing with the Angels, says the Angels are in serious negotiations with Hamilton. Grain of salt but interesting.
    ———-

    That would be wild. I suppose they have twice the incentive to sign Hamilton.

  31. G. Love December 13th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    The team lacked excitement last year because they disintegrated after the ASB. They became a barely .500 team who couldn’t get a runner in without acts of God to help them.

    We blew a 10 game lead to the Orioles. Watching that happen and the walls close in wasn’t enjoyable for anyone unless you were on Lithium.

    And injuries aren’t an excuse when you had Cano, Swisher, Tex, Granderson, Jeter, Martin, Ichiro plus guys like Ibanez/Chavez in the lineup most night’s.

    What some fans saw happen in the 2nd half was what we had begun seeing the previous 2 seasons. The offense was HR or nothing. They didn’t have any late inning comebacks in them until Ibanez put the team on his back in the final weeks of the season.

    It was frustrating because the pitching, for the most part, was very good and deserved a few runs. Kuroda should’ve won 20 last year but they never hit in his starts it seemed.

    They were boring to watch and the reason why fans skipped the games had a lot to do with their interest level in the team.

    You want to celebrate 95 wins, go ahead. That’s your right.

    But the team didn’t capture the imagination of anyone until Ibanez started playing Roy Hobbs. A 40yo guy on a 1yr contract for tip money showed more composure than the multi-millionaires littered up and down the lineup. When you see guys who are supposed to be in their primes fail again and again it doesn’t inspire you. It frustrates you unless you just get pleasure out of seeing the boys in uniform take the field no matter what the result.

    For the money the fans spend on the team, the money the Yankees spent on the players, it is natural for people to be a little ticked off when guys who supposedly “play to back’s of their baseball cards” can’t put a bat on the ball for weeks to help the team win a division and it comes down to the journeyman DH to summon baseball Gods so we can beat the Orioles for the division.

    The Orioles slashed a 10 game lead with an offense built around Jones, Wieters, McLouth, Reyonlds, Markakis and a pitching staff of cast offs. We had CC, Kuroda, Hughes, one of the best pen’s in the game and a lineup with Cano, Jeter, Grandy, Swisher & Tex most night’s and couldn’t hold our own with them.

    Watching your team get beat by good competition like we did in the 2001 WS is one thing. Watching them implode and let team’s that have no business being near the Yankees in the standings get close was not fun to watch.

    That’s why people were bored, upset, down on the team.

    What happened against Detroit in the ALCS just cemented the feeling that many had in the 2nd half of the season and the past 3 seasons. The offense was only good when a pitcher with a straight fastball made mistakes. If a guy threw a mediocre breaking ball, the heart of the order fell to pieces.

    We didn’t make that happens. The reason why so many of us were able to predict that was because we watched enough games and at bats to know this team struggled against pitcher’s with breaking balls because they liked to swing out of their shoes every at bat with the exception of Jeter & Ichiro.

    As for next season, I like we’re getting Ichiro back. I’m not horrified by Youk because I think he has the ability to hit for average and get some walks. But the team needs more pieces than those 2 players in the lineup. The OF is very thin, no DH still and catcher looks like a mess.

  32. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    I am sure that all of these “offers” to Ichiro made the Yanks raise their offer to him. I just hope that they didn’t raise it too much. It doesn’t make sense to give him 2 years. It will be interesting to hear how much his contract is for. The media is right the Yanks are bringing back last years team but they haven’t improved much really. This team desperately needs a big bat in LF or RF.

  33. MTU December 13th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    G.Love-

    Hammer just met nail in that post.

    ;)

  34. chicken little December 13th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    This team desperately needs a big bat in LF or RF.
    ________________________

    Totally agree.

  35. yankee21 December 13th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    In my recent memory I cannot recall a more boring, uninteresting, frustrating team to watch than the 2012 Yankees, so many games their offensive effort was just confounding. The fact they won 95 games is testament to the pitching they had and their character.

    All these guys though will be getting a year older. Their is no infusion of youth because NY does not trust young players to produce so they for the most part rot in the farm, get traded eventually or hook on with some organization. The Yankees certainly had their share of injuries but then again so do many teams. Even with their injuries they did not have 1 rookie AB until roster expansion in September. That is pitiful.

    Ownership does appear to grasp the fact many fans want their team to play well and they hold them to that standard. Fans also don’t accept paying a premium for a non-premium product.

  36. Warning Track Power December 13th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    chicken little December 13th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
    This team desperately needs a big bat in LF or RF.
    ________________________

    Totally agree.
    ————————————————————————————————————–
    If Hamilton was not an addict, with personal problems that keeps him off the field and someone in need of a baby sitter during the season, then could be the right fit.
    But the risk greatly outweighs the benefit of having him on the team, so the decision not to sign him is easy.

  37. RadioKev December 13th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    In my recent memory I cannot recall a more boring, uninteresting, frustrating team to watch than the 2012 Yankees, so many games their offensive effort was just confounding. The fact they won 95 games is testament to the pitching they had and their character.
    ————-

    I quite liked the group. Certainly not the best Yankee team, but they hung tough and had some amazing stretches of pitching, including the entire post season.

  38. chicken little December 13th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    This team also needs players fans want to truly root for. For the past couple of years most of the guys coming in are not players you truly want to root for. Swisher was a comedy routine out there in RF, Martin never did enough to truly make him a player fans want to root for, and there were few if any players from the farm who were consistent enough (or gave reason) to root for them other than they were in a Yankee uniform (Nova was fun last year, but I lost interest in him after he blew a 5 run lead against Baltimore then claimed he pitched well but for “bad luck”). Obviously winning had a lot to do with it, but part of the fun of the Dynasty years was that guys like Tino, Brosiuis, O’Neill, and Williams were players fans identified with. Girardi as well.

  39. blake December 13th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    If 2013 were going to be a bridge year…..and they were signing a bunch of stop gaps to get to either ready prospects or potential free agents then ok…..

    But they are stop gapping to a lower payroll and who knows what on the field in 2014…..

  40. Hassey December 13th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    it may not be an apples to apples comparison, because it’s never apples to apples when trying to compare the AL East to the NL, but would anyone prefer the Giants’ 2013 lineup to ours?

  41. G. Love December 13th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    MTU,

    It seems every 4 days or so somebody has to remind people what actually happened last season and why most fans were disgruntled with this team.

    I think some people have been listening to Girardi & Cashman for so long say “backs of their baseball card” nonsense that they look at 95 wins and feel warm and fuzzy inside.

    If we had played a competitive ALCS and Detroit took us in 6 or 7 games, it’d be one thing.

    But the offense that showed up in Detroit wasn’t an anomaly. That offense has been here for years now. When the pitching gets better the heart of this order disappears and all look around waiting for Jeter or some role player to bail them out.

    Swisher, who’s a swell guy, was a big part of that. Tex is still here and still a major issue with his rapid decline into mediocrity or less at the plate.

    The Yankees have to find some guys who don’t wilt and have an approach at the plate other than “grip it and rip it”.

    So far, the 2 moves don’t exactly have me feeling they get what their problems were and Cashman spouting the big hairy monster line is just cover for a team assembled of guys who just want to hit HR’s and lack the batting approach at the plate to adjust to what the pitcher is throwing them.

    The Big Hairy Monster line infuriates me because Bernie, O’Neil, Jorge were not those kind of hitters. The only one you could accuse of being that was Tino.

    Sheff wasn’t that kind of hitter. Neither was Damon, Matsui or Abreu. All of those guys had the ability to adjust during at bats and hit the ball to all fields.

    The only guys who don’t have that ability are Granderson, Tex and Swisher who Cashman put his butt on the line for and haven’t delivered for him in the past 3 seasons when all we needed was a hit in many cases to move on in the post season or win a game from any of them.

  42. DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    I think the sentiment concerning Ichiro, (or anyone else), turning down More $$$ to play in pinstripes is over-rated. Guys like Ichiro are Millionaires several times over. For them to “sacrifice” a few Mill to play Exactly where they wantta play, should Not be exalted. These guys lead ‘gifted” lives in this Economy, and sometimes we lose sight of that.

  43. Bo knows December 13th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    What happened against Detroit in the ALCS just cemented the feeling that many had in the 2nd half of the season and the past 3 seasons. The offense was only good when a pitcher with a straight fastball made mistakes. If a guy threw a mediocre breaking ball, the heart of the order fell to pieces.
    ————————
    I for one won’t miss Martin’s wild swings or Swisher looking at third strikes because it wasn’t a FB. Swisher and his paper power. And don’t get me started on Granderson and Teix, the former with 29 YS HRs and Teix gettting injured, on swinging a bat. The talent is there, we’re talking no brains.

  44. blake December 13th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    @Buster_ESPN: Source: Angels positioning themselves for a big strike in the market. Hamilton? We’ll see.

  45. MTU December 13th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    G. Love-

    What you are really saying in essence is that you still do not have confidence that the Yankees have overcome their 1 dimensional approach to scoring runs.

    GGBG and Ichiro help with that but I doubt very much Youkilis will because I just don’t think he’s anywhere near the same guy he once was.

    The have not fully compensated for the loss of a lot of power.

    So now they are just less powerful, and still lacking in a sufficent replacement thru higher BA, high-contact, situational-hitting types.

    Perhaps the Pitching and D will be so good that we will be right there again. Don’t know.

    The O. IMO it isn’t where it needs to be yet.

    I wanted to score a guy like Upton. Hasn’t happened so far.

  46. Benny Blanco December 13th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    G. Love’s posts have been en fuego.

    Great job!

  47. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    They need more than guys who just can’t hit home runs. The offense needs guys who can *hit*. One of my problems with enjoying the 2012 Yankees offense is that their best player, Cano, was horrible with RISP & men on. When you cannot even depend on your best player it stinks.

  48. chicken little December 13th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    I just keep thinking back to O’Neill working that walk in the ninth inning of game 1 against the mets. down by a run he knew it was imperative to get on base and had confidence that the players behind him could drive home the tying run. on this yankee team, the only guy i am confident doesn’t go up there over-swinging for the fences is jeter (and maybe ichiro). everyone else tries to hit the long ball and either strikes out or pops up.

  49. DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    The longer Hamilton is out there, the More obvious it becomes that 1 or both parties, (Texas and Hamilton), are Not in love with each other. Tune in tomorrow. Same Bat Time, same Bat Channel.

  50. yankee21 December 13th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    In my recent memory I cannot recall a more boring, uninteresting, frustrating team to watch than the 2012 Yankees, so many games their offensive effort was just confounding. The fact they won 95 games is testament to the pitching they had and their character.
    ————-

    I quite liked the group. Certainly not the best Yankee team, but they hung tough and had some amazing stretches of pitching, including the entire post season.

    ————–

    Good for you radiokev. I’m sure Hal appreciates your support.

  51. G. Love December 13th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    MTU,

    If you told me Gardner would be healthy for a full season, I’d feel a little better. I’ve been a huge supporter of his here because I think the dynamic he added to the “big hairy monsters” was desperately needed. That being said, he’s brittle. He gets hurt every year. How the Yankees off season plan can include penciling him in for full season of at bats is beyond me.

    I mean, they essentially signed Soriano as Mo insurance and that policy paid off.

    Where’s the foresight to improve the OF so you have enough depth to withstand Brett hitting the ground wrong in April and being out until August? His track record says he’ll get injured from playing hard.

    And my confidence level in the offense is at a 4. Maybe 5 out of 10. I don’t think they’ve fixed anything. We’re far worse at C and we weren’t great there. 3b may be a wash. Maybe. Tex keeps declining year by year and if you look at the way he hits w/o Arod in the lineup and the pressure falling to him, you’ll see he disappears.

    I do have hope that Grandy and Cano in contract years will bring it because guys always do when they are playing for huge money.

    But Jeter is older and coming off a big injury. The OF needs 2 solid RH hitting OF’ers to add to Ichiro, Gardner and Grandy in my opinion and DH needs to be filled with a guy who can hit from day one and not be held as a rocking chair for an Arod we have no idea if he’ll be able to move after surgery.

    There are many holes and the solutions have been expected but not inspiring.

  52. MTU December 13th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    In any case, it appears the net 2 years are transition years.

    I hope the new owners are as passionate about baseball as they are the bottom line.

    They might even understand that the 2 are very much related and interconnected.

    The Yankees are making a huge bet on the Farm.

    Might work out. might not.

    I still believe a balanced approach to building a team is best.

    Some guys from the Farm, some as FA’s, and the rest thru trades.

    Veterans mixed with youth.

    Hope we get there somehow but I don’t think it will be under the present ownership, and it may take a while.

    Guess we’ll see.

    ;)

  53. MTU December 13th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    edit: “next 2 years”

    G. Love-

    I see your points and I agree with most, if not all, of them.

  54. RadioKev December 13th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Good for you radiokev. I’m sure Hal appreciates your support.
    ————

    Ugh, some of this sentiment is just gross. I wonder how baseball has existed in all the other markets in the country that don’t have the most winningest team in history? Get over yourself.

  55. Bo knows December 13th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    The latest and greatest mantra is walks and power get you to the promised land. Somehow that isn’t working as witness SF and StL in the WS. Some good posts on here.

    I’m not a big clutch groupie but for God’s sake, compete. They all adjusted as they came up or they wouldn’t be in the Majors. Now, we don’t adjust – Teix with his “I hit 30 HRs and 100 RBIs” just drives me, “Mr Popup”.

    Oh no, a breaking ball down and away.

  56. chicken little December 13th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    MTU December 13th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    In any case, it appears the net 2 years are transition years.

    I hope the new owners are as passionate about baseball as they are the bottom line.

    They might even understand that the 2 are very much related and interconnected.

    The Yankees are making a huge bet on the Farm.

    Might work out. might not.

    I still believe a balanced approach to building a team is best.

    Some guys from the Farm, some as FA’s, and the rest thru trades.

    Veterans mixed with youth.

    Hope we get there somehow but I don’t think it will be under the present ownership, and it may take a while.

    Guess we’ll see.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Totally agree. And when Hal made his “$189 million or bust” decree, Cashman told him the farm would produce several pitchers by now to keep the club competitive. I find it alarming that Hal seems unwilling to (as far as we know) back off his budget given the farm failure and is letting the majority of employees who got the club into this mess try to get the club out of it.

  57. jacksquat December 13th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    G. Love December 13th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    If you told me Gardner would be healthy for a full season, I’d feel a little better. I’ve been a huge supporter of his here because I think the dynamic he added to the “big hairy monsters” was desperately needed. That being said, he’s brittle. He gets hurt every year. How the Yankees off season plan can include penciling him in for full season of at bats is beyond me.

    Maybe it has something to do with him playing 150 games in 2010 and 159 games in 2011.

  58. Ys Guy December 13th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    i think the biggest difference in the yankees organizational outlook now from when hal decided to get under $189 is the decline of arod and tex. surely they expected to have a much more solid base with those two to build on. the prospects for that have diminished greatly since then.

    we’ll see what the farm can or can’t produce, but if arod was still 30/100 and tex was still an mvp candidate, there would be a lot less filling in to do

  59. DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    - LORD OF THE RINGS YANKEE STYLE -

    (1) GOLLUM = CASHMAN

    (2) PRECIOUS = WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP

    (3) GANDOLF THE GREY = STICK MICHAEL

    (4) FRODO = JEET

    (5) LEGOLAS = ICHIRO

    (6) =

  60. DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    (6) SAM WISE = HANK

  61. blake December 13th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: according to @joeontheradio Angels are in SERIOUS negotiations with Josh Hamilton. also says joe, No deal reached yet.

    Aaaaarrerrfgggg

  62. MTU December 13th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Little-

    Cashman should assume some of the blame but the Lion’s share goes to Hal who has put him in a financial straightjacket.

    Cashman has been neutered.

    Some may feel he deserves it. Others not so much.

    If he is not happy with the results he should change GM’s.

    Everyone dances to Hal Stein’s music.

    I think he’s a seller and that is driving most everyhting he doing right now.

    Fattening up the cow for slaughter, and the fans are just going along for the ride to the market.

    Cashman did take a barren farm system and greatly improve it.

    Has he made some dumb trades ?

    Absolutley.

    But paralyzing your GM won’t help either.

    Either free him or loose him.

    Otherwise the Team and the fans just suffer.

  63. Locke December 13th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Has anybody else read espn’s Top 100 Baseball Players of all time?

    We currently have three of the top 100 players, ever, on the Yankees right now.

  64. blake December 13th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    @DKnobler: Angels have been claiming all winter they can’t spend big. But they’re good at stealth.

  65. Benny Blanco December 13th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    Trout, Hamilton, Pujols in the same lineup? Sheesh.

  66. RadioKev December 13th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Wow 38HotDogs, looks like you have a legit source ;)

  67. NYY_Girl_Penny December 13th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    jacksquat December 13th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
    G. Love December 13th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    If you told me Gardner would be healthy for a full season, I’d feel a little better. I’ve been a huge supporter of his here because I think the dynamic he added to the “big hairy monsters” was desperately needed. That being said, he’s brittle. He gets hurt every year. How the Yankees off season plan can include penciling him in for full season of at bats is beyond me.

    Maybe it has something to do with him playing 150 games in 2010 and 159 games in 2011.

    —–

    possibly the 42 games in 2008 or the 108 in 2009 or maybe the 16 in 2012.. how’s that tunnel vision?

  68. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    - LORD OF THE RINGS YANKEE STYLE -

    (1) GOLLUM = CASHMAN

    (2) PRECIOUS = WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP

    (3) GANDOLF THE GREY = STICK MICHAEL

    (4) FRODO = JEET

    So does this mean Jeter is actively trying to sabotage the world series by throwing their chances into Mt Doom?

  69. jacksquat December 13th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    RadioKev December 13th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
    Wow 38HotDogs, looks like you have a legit source

    @joeontheradio

    Same source as Heyman and others.

  70. Howe Farr December 13th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    So does this mean Jeter is actively trying to sabotage the world series by throwing their chances into Mt Doom?

    ____________________________________________

    HA!

  71. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Trout and Hamilton on the same team….damn!!

  72. DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Jeet is gonna bite that finger off, that Cashman waved at him during the contract negotiations.

  73. UnKnown December 13th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    I forgot about the Halos. They got Zack’s money burning a hole in their pocket.

  74. MTU December 13th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    The point isn’t just to spend money.

    It is to spend money wisely.

    As we saw last year many of the super teams on paper went nowhere or failed to make it to the big dance.

    Wonder if that will happen again this year to the Dodgers, Angels, etc. ?

    The Dodgers spent money like drunken sailors.

    That is not spending money wisely IMO.

    That is not what I advocate for the Yankees.

    That is just throwing things against a wall and hoping enough sticks.

    Not so sure Hamilton is a good risk either.

    I’ve got to get going. I’ll try to check in later.

    ;)

  75. NYY_Girl_Penny December 13th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    G. Love

    There is so much wrong with this team. You have a way to articulate chunks of it at a time and you do it very well but there is so much more wrong with this team from the front office on down to the field.. I mean the owners of the NYY don’t even go to any games. I cannot fathom that for the life of me. How is it that the owners of the best franchise in sports don’t even have any interest in their team.. it leaves me stuttering and speechless! Of course envious too.

    Where we are at now with this team is a direct result of mismanagement and lack of vision and preparation. I love that our replacements for Posada, Damon, Matsui and Arod every year are the bottom of the barrel and people think they are a good team. THey are the most expensive dullest team in sports !!! period !!

    they won 95 games because of pitching and thats what Cash and crew are gonna try and hide behind this year but I don’t see it being tolerated by the fanbase (aside from the pollyanas here) if the yanks don’t make a huge trade or sign hamilton / get a big bat well they are in for rude awakening.

    ANd can we please be done with Arod for crying out loud already.. 3 years and going on the 4th that the guy is falling apart without roids. what a mess.

  76. MTU December 13th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    The Halos and Dodgers are in competition for So. Cal fan $’s.

    ;)

  77. Ys Guy December 13th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    ‘antoni’s gonna be feeling the love tonight at the garden!

  78. NYY_Girl_Penny December 13th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    I had a dream the other night that Jeter put together a group of investors and purchased the Yankees .. now THAT would be something !

  79. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Jeet is gonna bite that finger off, that Cashman waved at him during the contract negotiations.

    So now Jeter is Gollum?

  80. NYY_Girl_Penny December 13th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    im planning on watching the dodgers and nats this year and occasionally viewing a few innings of the yanks.. no way am I gonan subject myself to that frustration ever again 140-162 times a year.. no thanks. not unless they give me reason to and I dont see it happening.

    Oh an Rays will be real fun to watch to when Myers comes up. glad we have prospects with talent and fun to watch!

  81. Triple Short of a Cycle December 13th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    no way am I gonan subject myself to that frustration ever again 140-162 times a year.. no thanks

    ————————————————-

    What kind of Yankee fan are you?

  82. blake December 13th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Screw LA!

  83. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    @mlbbowman The Braves confirm that they have signed Ramiro Pena

  84. blake December 13th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    @mlbbowman: The Braves confirm that they have signed Ramiro Pena utility infielder Ramiro Pena to a one-year contract. It is a Major League deal

  85. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Major league deal for Pena? Good for him. Wasnt gonna play on the Yankees.

  86. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    So what would the Angels lineup look like with Hamilton?

    Trout LF
    Aybar SS
    Pujols 1B
    Hamilton RF
    Trumbo or Morales DH
    Kendrick 2B
    Callaspo 3B
    Iannetta C
    Bourjos CF

    Pretty good ..

  87. blake December 13th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    It sucks to watch the Angels and Tigers and Rangers continually trying to get better…..while the Yankees just continually try to stay the same

  88. blake December 13th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Wonder if they’d trade Trumbo

  89. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Old Hoss Radbourn ?@OldHossRadbourn
    #24: G. Seaver. Greatest Met of all time, which is like naming syphilis the king of venereal diseases. 231 CG in 20 years. Took me 5 months.

  90. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Wonder if they’d trade Trumbo

    Probably. I don’t want him on the Yankees though

  91. DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    - JERKY -
    Poetic License.

  92. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    We all knew that the Yanks weren’t invloved with Hamilton but this stinks….
    ————————-

    Tim Brown?@TBrownYahoo

    Confirming @joeontheradio report, industry source says Angels are indeed getting close on a deal with Hamilton. Not quite done.

  93. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    ?@TBrownYahoo

    Confirming @joeontheradio report, industry source says Angels are indeed getting close on a deal with Hamilton. Not quite done.

    Tim Brown is a name I trust… Nerts.. Guess the Angels were the sleepers on Hambone

  94. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    We did it everyone!

    @Buster_ESPN

    Catcher Bobby Wilson has agreed to terms on a minor-league deal with the Yankees, with an invitation to spring training.

  95. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Another venerable catcher who has hit .202 .267 .291 .558 the last 2 years.

  96. jacksquat December 13th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    blake December 13th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
    It sucks to watch the Angels and Tigers and Rangers continually trying to get better…..while the Yankees just continually try to stay the same

    Are their payrolls over 200 mil yet?

  97. DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    I remember back when they did the ESPN 100 Greatest Athletes of All Time. They had a horse\Secretariat ranked ahead of Mickey Mantle. And Jordan ahead of Ruth and Ali. Absolutely Ridiculous.

  98. Mike in Harrisburg December 13th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Good lord, the Angels will have one stacked lineup.

  99. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Are their payrolls over 200 mil yet?

    The Dodgers are.

  100. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Rangers make a move for Swish to answer the Angels stealing their plan B?

  101. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    I wonder if Hamilton gave the Rangers a chance to match the deal. He said he would but maybe he got pissed at them because they put him on the back burner while they tried to trade for Shields and Upton. If Hamilton goes to the Angels I wouldn’t be surprised to see Texas sign Swisher now.

  102. Patrick December 13th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Good lord, the Angels will have one stacked lineup.

    The top of that lineup would be really sick but the bottom half is pretty weak.

    But man .. Trout, Hamilton, Pujols in one lineup is pretty insane

  103. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    @Joelsherman1

    Few days ago was told team jumped back into Dickey derby that surprised #Mets. Could it be #Angels as moved on Hamilton (Trumbo/Bourjos)?

  104. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    @Joelsherman1

    and see what fall out would be as prices and desperation for hi-end SP set in for those who didn’t get Shields or Greinke #Angels #Mets

  105. Triple Short of a Cycle December 13th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    It sucks to watch the Angels and Tigers and Rangers continually trying to get better…..while the Yankees just continually try to stay the same

    ———————————————–

    They lost Grienke and Haren.

  106. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    @Joelsherman1

    As wrote in this column http://bit.ly/YYLbA8 #Mets have been stalling Dickey talks as much possible to let Greinke/Shields play out (cont)

  107. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Sorry I posted a couple of those out of order..

  108. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    @YankeeSource

    The Rangers need help, they currently have Geovany Soto as their backstop and he might be worse than Francisco Cervelli.

    ——————-

    AJP to the Rangers?

    I just wanna see Swish land with the Rangers or A’s so I can feel right about something this off season.. SOMEONE THROW ME A BONE!

  109. Bo knows December 13th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    CC, Kuroda and Pettitte pitching to Swisher. Fun times.

  110. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    It looks like Texas is getting chance to match…
    —————

    Bob Nightengale?@BNightengale

    Hamilton’s reps have let other teams involved in Hamilton talks that the #Angels indeed have made a serious offer

  111. Bo knows December 13th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    I actually like Cervelli and if he was throwing out 30% of base stealers, I’ll like him even more.

    Then if one of Heathcott/Austin comes out smoking in AA this year and it’s “Move way back, comin through.

  112. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    ?@jonmorosi

    Source: #Angels, Josh Hamilton nearing five-year contract. @MLBONFOX

  113. Mike in Harrisburg December 13th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    I really thought the Yankees would be in at 5 years on Hamilton.

  114. Russell Munson December 13th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    possibly the 42 games in 2008 or the 108 in 2009 or maybe the 16 in 2012.. how’s that tunnel vision?

    *************************************************************************

    So you’re saying Gardner’s not a full-time player because he spent most of 2008 in the minors where he played 94 games in addition to the 42 he ended up playing in the majors? Brilliant point.

  115. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    5 yrs damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  116. blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Screw the Angels… Screw LA ….

  117. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    ESPNDallas?@ESPNDallas

    BREAKING: Josh Hamilton has agreed to join the LA Angels. Story to come: http://es.pn/e3bpkT

  118. chicken little December 13th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Not that I think this is going to happen, but the Red Sox were once very close to signing Tex and four hours later the Yankees signed him …

  119. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Someone get Blake a drink.

    This could be good for the Yankees. Now that they’ve lost out on Hamilton, Greinke and Upton maybe the Rangers would be interested in Granderson.

    Grandy for Olt and Murphy works for me

  120. blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    The Yankees are dumb for passing at 5 years

  121. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    5 years is absolutely insane for Hamilton with his issues and age. I don’t blame the Rangers for not matching that offer. He will probably break down in 2 years, that’s crazy.

  122. blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Chip says:
    December 13, 2012 at 2:22 pm
    Someone get Blake a drink.

    I need one….Im becoming somewhat of a jinx.
    Every year I endorse a bat…. Holliday, Beltran, Headley, Hamilton…..every year Im ignored :(

  123. blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    All the prospects for Giancarlo

  124. jacksquat December 13th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Russell Munson December 13th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
    possibly the 42 games in 2008 or the 108 in 2009 or maybe the 16 in 2012.. how’s that tunnel vision?

    *************************************************************************

    So you’re saying Gardner’s not a full-time player because he spent most of 2008 in the minors where he played 94 games in addition to the 42 he ended up playing in the majors? Brilliant point.

    Not to mention in 2009 they had Swisher, Melky and Damon.

  125. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Chip says:
    December 13, 2012 at 2:22 pm
    Someone get Blake a drink.

    I need one….Im becoming somewhat of a jinx.
    Every year I endorse a bat…. Holliday, Beltran, Headley, Hamilton…..every year Im ignored
    ——————-
    why the heck couldn’t you have endorsed Pavano.

  126. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Now Texas most likely signs Swisher. You would think..It’s better than going to the Mariners or Indians.

  127. RadioKev December 13th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
    The Yankees are dumb for passing at 5 years
    ————

    Eh. No team is comfortable with 5 years of Hamilton. The Angels just wanted him that badly, and the Yankees don’t. He’s an enormous risk now, and he’ll end that contract at 37…

  128. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    125 million Jesus

  129. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    The deal is 5/$125m

  130. RadioKev December 13th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
    125 million Jesus
    ———-

    I wouldn’t do 125/5 either. He was always a stretch for the Yanks. Always look to the desperate team to do these things. Angels were feeling overshadowed…

  131. blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    “Eh. No team is comfortable with 5 years of Hamilton. The Angels just wanted him that badly, and the Yankees don’t. He’s an enormous risk now, and he’ll end that contract at 37…”

    On a 5 year deal he will be really good likely for 2, above average for 2….and he might fall off a cliff in the last year….but it’d be worth it most likely and 5 years for Hamilton is a lot better than 8 or. 9 for Cano

  132. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
    The Yankees are dumb for passing at 5 years

    ————————-

    If it was 3 yes but not 5

  133. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    By the way – I will be shocked if the Yankees don’t ink Chone Figgins to a minor league deal with a spring training invite.

  134. RadioKev December 13th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Angels do improve their offense, they get the media attention and fan hype, and they stick it to the Rangers. I get where they’re coming from.

  135. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    “Eh. No team is comfortable with 5 years of Hamilton. The Angels just wanted him that badly, and the Yankees don’t. He’s an enormous risk now, and he’ll end that contract at 37…”

    On a 5 year deal he will be really good likely for 2, above average for 2….and he might fall off a cliff in the last year….but it’d be worth it most likely and 5 years for Hamilton is a lot better than 8 or. 9 for Cano
    —————-

    No Cano is better than 8 years of Cano.

  136. jacksquat December 13th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Angels need pitching. Too bad the Yankees can’t really afford to trade Hughes, unless they were going to pick up another pitcher. Can’t really have Nova/Phelps as the 4/5.

  137. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Paying for Hamilton’s 32 to 36 seasons is better then paying for Cano’s 32 to 40 seasons.

  138. RadioKev December 13th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Well, I’m in the trade Cano camp, and that ain’t happening, so I feel ya. But you have to admit, that price and contract for two years of production you can maybe feel confident in…that’s a huge risk.

  139. blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    5/125 was right at the limit I would have gone to…..that’s still way better than what Cano will get

  140. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    If you were the Angels who would you trade Trumbo or Bourjos?

  141. blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Jerkface says:
    December 13, 2012 at 2:31 pm
    Paying for Hamilton’s 32 to 36 seasons is better then paying for Cano’s 32 to 40 seasons.

    This

  142. blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    I will just accept my gruel (Scott Hairston) and sit down now…..my work is finished

  143. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    RadioKev December 13th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Angels do improve their offense, they get the media attention and fan hype, and they stick it to the Rangers. I get where they’re coming from.
    ————-

    But at the same time their pitching is so so so much worse than it was last year.

    Losing Greinke, Haren and Santana and replacing them with Blanton, Hanson and X is a major loss. Even if they fill that last spot with Marcum, Loshe or E-Jack they are still going to be hurting for pitching.

  144. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    It’s obvious that Hamilton didn’t feel loved the last month while the Rangers tried to get Shields and Upton.
    ————–

    JeffWilson_FWST: Jon Daniels says #Rangers did not get call to match Angels’ offer. Daniels is not pleased with how negotiations ended.

  145. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    No Cano is better than 8 years of Cano.

    ———————-

    Ehhhhhhhhhhhh if the spects are what they’re suppose to be than Cano’s impact in yr 7 or 8 should be minimal.

  146. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    I will just accept my gruel (Scott Hairston) and sit down now…..my work is finished
    ————-

    How badly will you flip out if the Mets outbid the Yankees for Hairston?

  147. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    JeffWilson_FWST: Jon Daniels says #Rangers did not get call to match Angels’ offer. Daniels is not pleased with how negotiations ended.

    —————————-

    So I guess them having the last pitch was BS

  148. blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    I bet the rangers go after Giancarlo

  149. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Chip December 13th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
    blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    I will just accept my gruel (Scott Hairston) and sit down now…..my work is finished
    ————-

    How badly will you flip out if the Mets outbid the Yankees for Hairston?

    —————

    Lohud would get burned down lol jk

  150. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Wow….

    I mean.. I guess the best we can hope for is that the Rangers and Angels beat the hell out of each other all season.

  151. RadioKev December 13th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
    Jerkface says:
    December 13, 2012 at 2:31 pm
    Paying for Hamilton’s 32 to 36 seasons is better then paying for Cano’s 32 to 40 seasons.

    This
    ————–

    They’re both dumb.

  152. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Jeff Wilson?@JeffWilson_FWST

    All this Josh Hamilton stuff went down during the #Rangers’ holiday luncheon with the media.

  153. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    RadioKev December 13th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
    Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
    125 million Jesus
    ———-

    I wouldn’t do 125/5 either. He was always a stretch for the Yanks. Always look to the desperate team to do these things. Angels were feeling overshadowed…

    ————

    Yea 5 yrs is pushing it

  154. Ys Guy December 13th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    ok so i’ve been trying to work out the cost savings for the yankees if they go under $189

    here are some premises im using:

    on the one hand i work out the cost of keeping a $210M payroll through the end of the cba 2016
    and on the other i work out the cost of getting under $189M for 2014 and 2015, then raising payroll up to $210M for 2016.

    revenue sharing is very hard to work out but he’s how im gonna do it. the last season i can find a reasonable estimate of the yankees revenue sharing cost was 2010 when it was around $45M. so even though revenues are surely higher now, im going to assume that the rev sharing bill before rebates would be $50M per year. and im going to assume that the oakland a’s will not open a new stadium by 2014. im also going to assume that 2013 revenue sharing is the same cost no matter what the payroll is for this year.

    $210M payroll
    2013: $210M(payroll)+LT(.4*32M=$12.8M)=$222.4M (lux tax is 40% above $178M)
    2014: $210M+ LT(.5*21M)$10.5M=$220.5M (lux tax is 50% above $189M)
    2015: $210M+$10.5M=$220.5M
    2016: $210M+$10.5M=$220.5M
    total:$884.3M

    2013:$200M(payroll)+LT(.4*$22M=$8.8M)=$208.8M
    2014:$189M(payroll) – rev sharing rebate ($50M*11.65%=$5.825M)=$183.17M
    2015:$189M(payroll)- rev sharing rebate ($50M*17.47%=$7.86M)=$181.14M
    2116:$210M – rev sharing rebate(100% rebate on rev sharing=$50M)=$160M
    total:$733.11M

    total savings from 2013 through the end of the cba in 2016= $151.19M (avg $37.79M/year)

    savings from salary reduction:$52M, from LT and rev sharing:$99.89M

  155. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    I bet the rangers go after Giancarlo
    ————-

    Bourn first.

    I honestly think the Rangers were scared to death of giving Hamilton a long term contract. I think if you gave Jon Daniels and Nolan Ryan some truth serum they would both tell you that while they wish he had left the division, they’re not sad to see him and his myriad of issues go.

    Like I said – offer them Grandy for Olt and Murphy – it’s fair all the way around.

  156. blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    I think maybe Jon Daniels runs people the wrong way…..I never bout that stuff about Hamikton wanting to stay in Texas

  157. blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: #rangers were not given a chance to match the angels deal

    Maybe a little Micheal Young paybAck?

  158. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Jeff Wilson?@JeffWilson_FWST

    All this Josh Hamilton stuff went down during the #Rangers’ holiday luncheon with the media.

    Ice cold.

    I dunno what you guys are expecting with Hamilton. His talent level is 7-8 year deal territory. With his issues 5 years is very reasonable. We’ll never get anyone good if you’re scared about something like that. I don’t think the Yankees would have paid 25 per year for 5 years, but I don’t see any real problem with the money or years outlay by the Angels. I disagree with Blake a little, I think Hamilton could be getting grimy in the last 2 years of that deal, but the next 3 seasons should be well worth it and coincides with Trout entering his prime.

  159. chicken little December 13th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    JeffWilson_FWST: Jon Daniels says #Rangers did not get call to match Angels’ offer. Daniels is not pleased with how negotiations ended.

    __________________________________________________________________________

    Rangers took Hamilton for granted … never, ever rely on the word of an agent or a player that you will get a call to match. If you want someone, make a serious offer. My bet is Rangers never made an offer, Hamilton got an offer he thought was too good to pass up and was pissed at the Rangers for not making an offer and waiting for a chance to match. Perhaps the Angels even made a take it or leave it offer ….

  160. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    2-3 years for Hamilton is fine but 5 years is crazy. Even if the Rangers had a chance to match the 5 years I highly doubt that they would have. They know him better than anyone else and know that his body will break down soon. Moreno is paying him $125 for probably 2-3 good years.

  161. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    So:

    Trout – CF
    Aybar – SS
    Hamilton – LF
    Pujols – 1b
    Morales – DH
    Trumbo – RF
    Kendrick – 2b
    Callaspo – 3b
    Ianetta – C

  162. RadioKev December 13th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    Jerkface,

    I dunno. I was expecting this for Hamilton. He was always an unrealistic sign for the Yankees because some team would up the anti into not-worth-it territory. The guy is a health risk, he’s streaky, and on top of that is the addiction thing. I wouldn’t gamble that type of money on him, honestly.

    Obviously you can’t predict everything, look how Tex is turning out, and he looked like a great sign. Still, Hamilton has some huge warning signs.

  163. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: #rangers were not given a chance to match the angels deal
    —————-

    Maybe they shouldn’t have tried to trade for/sign everyone else under the sun before negotiating with him.

  164. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    I bet the rangers go after Giancarlo

    ————–

    I was thinking it might even push them to try and pry Upton away using Andrus.. despite the Dbacks getting an SS already, he’s not exactly what they were looking for and I’m a huge fan of spare parts lol. I’m sure Towers wouldn’t mind more options..

  165. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    RadioKev,

    I can’t argue with any of that. I think, though, a team like the Yankees who can afford it would be the type of team who can take a risk on Hamilton & if something happens it won’t be a big deal. I really don’t expect him to like be destroyed by drugs or anything. The thing I’d worry about most is his platoon split getting bigger.

    Maybe the Yankees can get Swish for cheap.

  166. austinmac December 13th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Blake,

    You fought a good fight. Please be looking for next year’s player.

    Hairston has had one decent year. Ecch. He will probably hit .240. I sure wish we had someone ready in the minors.

  167. blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    “I disagree with Blake a little, I think Hamilton could be getting grimy in the last 2 years of that deal, but the next 3 seasons should be well worth it and coincides with Trout entering his prime.”

    Maybe….he’s not going to age well but if you aren’t willing to pay for a couple on decline years your never going to get any good free agents ….and Hamilton should be good for 2-3 years and the idea was to be a bridge player you wouldn’t have to pay as long as Cano.

    So now the Yanks are gonna sign Cano to a 200+ million dollar deal then complain 5 years from now that he costs too much and their hands are tied

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    Jeff Wilson?@JeffWilson_FWST

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    Ice cold.

    I dunno what you guys are expecting with Hamilton. His talent level is 7-8 year deal territory. With his issues 5 years is very reasonable. We’ll never get anyone good if you’re scared about something like that. I don’t think the Yankees would have paid 25 per year for 5 years, but I don’t see any real problem with the money or years outlay by the Angels. I disagree with Blake a little, I think Hamilton could be getting grimy in the last 2 years of that deal, but the next 3 seasons should be well worth it and coincides with Trout entering his prime.
    ——————–

    Hamilton has injury issues, addiction issues, and from what I saw between his rant over his use of chewing tobacco and his whole “I can’t hit in day games because I have blue eyes” thing – I’m just as happy to pass.

  169. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Jeff Wilson?@JeffWilson_FWST

    All this Josh Hamilton stuff went down during the #Rangers’ holiday luncheon with the media.

    —————–

    …..I now love Josh Hamilton lol.

  170. austinmac December 13th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

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    Please do not suggest Figgins. I prefer you play to him.

  171. blake December 13th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    “You fought a good fight. Please be looking for next year’s player.”

    I think I’m retiring…. They never listen and I seem to be bad luck….. I’ll just have my gruel and keep quite

  172. RadioKev December 13th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    To me, you can only have so many of these big deals at once. The Phillies got in over their head, the Sox did, the Mets did, and it’s starting to look bad for the Yankees. Maybe if we didn’t have one of Tex or A-Rod on the books we could have taken the chance on Hamilton, but you can’t risk having a bunch of these go totally belly up on you.

    Maybe it makes sense for the Angels financially, I haven’t given it much thought. I just wouldn’t envy a team that has that Pujols contract, and now this, on the books.

  173. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Bob Nightengale?@BNightengale

    The #Angels now will be paying nearly $70 million alone to Pujols, Wells and Hamlton after his 5-year, $125 million deal

  174. Tyler December 13th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    That Angels lineup is nasty on paper. If Pujols just can get off to a decent start this year (and I don’t see why he wouldn’t) they have an elite top half of the order.

    I don’t think Hamilton’s going to be great for the entire length of the contract. He’s injury-prone now and I don’t think he will age as well into his mid-30s as a guy like Jeter. That being said, the Angels saw an opportunity and pounced. Good for them.

  175. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    To me, you can only have so many of these big deals at once. The Phillies got in over their head, the Sox did, the Mets did, and it’s starting to look bad for the Yankees. Maybe if we didn’t have one of Tex or A-Rod on the books we could have taken the chance on Hamilton, but you can’t risk having a bunch of these go totally belly up on you.

    Eh the Yankees can still afford 2 or 3 more of these huge deals, maybe more, with room to spare. They make too much money.

  176. mick December 13th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    The Angels are in lockstep with the Dodgers.
    I hope they both crash and burn.
    Teams Greedy.

  177. brianlopez22 December 13th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    My boycott is official.

    Josh Hamilton was the only card keeping me attached to this year’s team.
    I am hoping for last place and looking forward to seeing our prospects get a chance for once.

    Screw Hal and his budget.
    Don’t sign ARod and CC and Tex to the largest contracts in MLB history and then complain about budgets.

    The Angels have the scariest lineup I have ever seen.
    Trumbo,Trout,Hamilton
    Callaspo,Aybar,Kendrik,Pujols
    Ianetta
    Morales

    There is not one easy out in that lineup.
    Compare that to:
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    PUKE,Jeter,cano,Tex
    Romine/Cervelli
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    Big Difference!!!

  178. RadioKev December 13th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Now all we need is for Cash to come out and say he was “second” on this deal. ;)

  179. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Think about it this way, Hamilton just got $25 AAV and doesn’t play a premium position and has a history of drug issues.

    Cano is going to make $300 million dollars.

    Cano is going to make more money than God.

    Cano…. is going to sign with the Dodgers or put the Yankees in an impossible position (financially speaking) for a couple of years.

  180. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    ?@Ken_Rosenthal

    Dempster and #RedSox are in agreement, pending physical.

  181. austinmac December 13th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Blake,

    You are looking inside the stadiums for players. That is your mistake. The preferred ones are lurking in the dumpsters in the alley.

    But, we signed Bobby Wilson. Catching problem solved. If you add the his OPS to Stewart’s, it would be 1.000. I see the happy side.

  182. mick December 13th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Cano…. is going to sign with the Dodgers
    ==========================
    correct

  183. CompassRosy December 13th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Greg Johns ?@GregJohnsMLB
    AL West always interesting. Angels up the ante again in arms race with Rangers … after A’s won division with $55M payroll.

  184. RadioKev December 13th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Oh, for the record, I was totally wrong about how the Yankees should have traded for Dempster at the deadline last year :P

  185. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
    ?@Ken_Rosenthal

    Dempster and #RedSox are in agreement, pending physical.

    ———————

    Red Sox WS here they come lol

  186. Triple Short of a Cycle December 13th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    I can’t believe people on here thought there was even a 1 percent chance of the Yanks going after him.

    They refused to go multi years on mediocre guys who make hardly any money yet they were going to pony up 5 years on Hamilton

  187. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    The new TV deal pays Hamilton’s salary and gives them an extra couple million to hang onto..

  188. CompassRosy December 13th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Alden Gonzalez ?@Alden_Gonzalez
    Hamilton’s reported deal, with an AAV of $25M, would push #Angels payroll to a franchise-record of about $165M. Last year’s ended at $159M.

  189. DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Hamilton for 5yrs ain’t that bad a deal. It pales in comparison to what Pujols got.

  190. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    And the Sox sign a 5th starter. How exciting…
    —————–

    Ken Rosenthal?@Ken_Rosenthal

    Dempster and #RedSox are in agreement, pending physical.

  191. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    @FeinsandNYDN

    Angels have now signed the division-rival Rangers’ best pitcher (C.J. Wilson) and position player (Josh Hamilton) in consecutive seasons.

    ——————–

    There’s a storm coming, Mr. Wayne..

  192. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Dempster apparently signing the same deal he turned down earlier, guess he couldn’t get better or trick the Red Sox into giving him another year or 2.

  193. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle December 13th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
    I can’t believe people on here thought there was even a 1 percent chance of the Yanks going after him.

    They refused to go multi years on mediocre guys who make hardly any money yet they were going to pony up 5 years on Hamilton

    ———————–

    Yea there was no way he was coming here unless if was for 10 mil 1 yr

  194. jwassen December 13th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Just for fun – How about Cano to the Nationals for Rendon, Morse, Espinosa and Lombardozzi. This is a whole new infield. These are spare parts for the Nationals.

  195. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    austinmac December 13th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Blake,

    You are looking inside the stadiums for players. That is your mistake. The preferred ones are lurking in the dumpsters in the alley.

    —————

    :lol:

  196. CompassRosy December 13th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Mike Greenberg ?@Espngreeny
    Is there anyone who doesn’t think the #Angels will sorely regret both the Hamilton and Pujols deals?

    ==

    here’s hoping ;)

  197. austinmac December 13th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Why can’t the Yankees swallow their pride and facade and trade Cano if they won’t pay him what he wants? He will get it from someone. Reality.

    Get two good near ready players and look to the future. We fans, for the most part, would understand that far more than letting him walk.

  198. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Joel Sherman?@Joelsherman1

    #Angels have pretty much $42M of dead $$ next 2 yrs with V.Wells, would pay down big time to deal, but does anyone want even for few million

  199. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle December 13th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    I can’t believe people on here thought there was even a 1 percent chance of the Yanks going after him.

    ——————

    Phantom limb syndrome…

    That’s what it is.

  200. austinmac December 13th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Dempster’s AL ERA was over 5.00 last year. The Red Sox are loading up on three year deals for so-so players.

  201. Against All Odds December 13th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    We fans, for the most part, would understand that far more than letting him walk.

    —————–

    I think some fans would but a majority wouldn’t. I hear some fans say trade Cano but it better be for a guy like King Felix.

  202. charlestonchew December 13th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    If the Cubs are willing to pay 26m/36m for Soriano, I don’t see why we’re not working to get his bat back in our lineup and in our outfield. It gives us all the more reason to trade Granderson–we may lose prospects getting Soriano, but we’d get them back by trading Granderson and replace Granderson’s production and have three average-to-plus arms in the OF in Ichiro, Gardner, Soriano.

    I think they need to at least consider this possibility.

  203. Jerkface December 13th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    That vernon wells trade is still one of my favorite trades ever, I laughed so hard.

  204. G. Love December 13th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    I would’ve done 5/125 in my sleep for this guy.

    We’re barely the Yankees anymore. The hats and uniform’s say it, but the brains and “process” in the front office is strictly Walmart.

  205. Chip December 13th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    austinmac December 13th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Chip,

    Please do not suggest Figgins. I prefer you play to him.
    —————

    not suggesting, just anticipating

  206. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

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    Why can’t the Yankees swallow their pride and facade and trade Cano if they won’t pay him what he wants? He will get it from someone. Reality.

    ————–

    They’re torn..

    The PR hit would be awful because it would finally confirm what we already know: These ain’t your daddy’s Yankees. They can’t afford for that to become the perception because they still want to push $1k seats. They also probably want to compete this year….. and missed the boat on extending/trading Cano for worth-while value. Maybe they’re hoping he gets hurt this year so they can make a play for him.. or maybe they are trying to keep money off the books in 2014 specifically to retain him.. I can’t even tell anymore.

    There is no plane.

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    Vernon Wells could come and drink the Ichiro revitalizing Yankee elixer.

  208. blake December 13th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    “We’re barely the Yankees anymore. The hats and uniform’s say it, but the brains and “process” in the front office is strictly Walmart.”

    I remember thinking a couple of years ago how I wished Hamilton would reach free agency because surely the Yankees would be all over him……

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