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Transition in the Bronx

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 14, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Transition is supposed to be rocky. It’s a shift from one thing to the next, and there’s an inevitable sense of uncertainty.

This winter, we’re learning what transition in the Bronx looks like.

The Yankees are stuck in a bit of a dead zone, somewhere between the dynasty they used to be and the dynasty they’d like to become. Past icons are aging toward retirement, and so the roster is in a state of flux. Baseball’s new collective bargaining agreement is about to take effect, and so the front office is adjusting its approach. The winter has been rocky, the future is uncertain, and the Yankees have responded with a series of one-year contracts to veteran players who have no future in the organization.

It’s their attempt to maintain success at a time of inevitable instability.

“We have been saying the same thing for 10 years,” one American League executive told Joel Sherman this week. “‘They are too old. This is the year they fall apart.’ And every year they win 90-something games and make the playoffs.”

When a smaller market team gets to this point, it might react differently. If the Yankees were the Pirates, maybe we’d see Ronnier Mustelier or Melky Mesa penciled into right field. Maybe David Adams or Eduardo Nunez would be projected to play third. Maybe David Phelps would be guaranteed a rotation spot. But the Yankees are the Yankees, and things are different here.

The Yankees best wave of position prospects — Slade Heathcott, Mason Williams, Gary Sanchez, Tyler Austin — probably won’t arrive until late 2014 or early 2015. If things work just right, their high-end pitching prospects could arrive in individual waves: Michael Pineda in the second half of 2013. Manny Banuelos in 2014. Jose Ramirez soon after that. Then Jose Campos. Then Rafael DePaula. Then Ty Hensley.

For now, the Yankees have a ton of money tied to a handful of players, some of whom are paid like superstars without performing that way. Their best all-around player is about to reach free agency and sure to demand a massive contract. The franchise is fundamentally attached to a bunch of older players whose only real negative is that they’re old (there’s no reason to turn away from Andy Pettitte except that he’s 40 and clearly can’t help with the rebuilding effort).

And so the Yankees are stuck between yesterday and tomorrow, using today to bridge the gap.

For the time being, Pettitte can do the job as reliably as just about anyone available. Same for Mariano Rivera, Hiroki Kuroda, Kevin Youkilis and Ichiro Suzuki. These players aren’t going to help build the next great Yankees empire, but they might do enough to keep the team competitive and relevant in the short term.

The Yankees want to cut payroll going forward, and even if you disagree with the strategy, you can surely understand it. There are benefits to going above the luxury tax — better roster, better chance at the playoffs, easier to draw fans — but the new CBA made sure that there were also significant benefits to staying below $189 million, and the Yankees are choosing to take advantage of those cost-cutting rewards.

And so, they transition.

They transition to a new way of spending; not so reckless, but also not so overpowering.

They transition to a new way of roster building; without a big name at every position, but still hesitant to trust unproven players.

They transition to a new way of speaking; all about patience without conceding temporary defeat.

Whether this sort of evolution works in the short term depends on the ability of aging players to give the Yankees one more year of legitimate production. It depends on Pettitte staying healthy, Kuroda staying effective and Youkilis regaining some of the offense that he lost a year ago. It depends on Robinson Cano remaining a superstar, Derek Jeter remaining a shortstop, and Rivera closing the ninth inning like he’s always done.

Whether this sort of evolution works in the long term depends development and durability. It depends on Pineda coming back from shoulder surgery, Banuelos coming back from elbow surgery, and Phil Hughes gaining some consistency. It depends on Rodriguez becoming productive again, Cano becoming a Yankee again, and minor league prospects becoming big league hitters right on schedule.

Of course it’s rocky, and of course it’s uncertain  but this is what transition feels like. We’re learning what transition looks like in the Bronx.

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280 Responses to “Transition in the Bronx”

  1. blake December 14th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: #Cubs increase five-year offer to Anibal Sanchez to $77.5M. #Tigers at $75M. Negotiations continue.

    Why would you choose the Cubs over 2.5 million dollars?

  2. blake December 14th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    @TarYank6: @mikeaxisa .346/.390/.516 at 27 years old for 2/17 or 39 year old Ichiro for 2/13? Tough call……

  3. blake December 14th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    The Yanks could have had 2/3 of their 2014 outfield solved for like 15 million AAV combined with Melky and Ichiro….

  4. MTU December 14th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Great post Chad.

    Eloquent summary of where they were, are now, and hope to be.

    ;)

  5. blake December 14th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    blake says:
    December 14, 2012 at 9:10 am
    Tackelberry says:
    December 14, 2012 at 9:08 am
    Blake is obsessed with Melky. Boy, if bombs this year Blake won’t know where to hide.

    If he does then so what…..it wasn’t a big investment t….but I think he will be pretty good…,a lot better than folks think.

    To me there is less risk with him at 27 than some of these old guys

  6. blake December 14th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: Cubs are out on anibal. #tigers look like tiger are likely winner

  7. Benny Blanco December 14th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    I understand the frustration with arods contract but its tex that is killing the Yankees. This transition wouldn’t have been so bad if he didnt fall of the face of the earth.

    The injures to Adams, banuelos and Pineda didnt help the situation either; including betances.

    We might of looked at the current state of the Yankees differently if these injuries did not happen.

  8. randy l. December 14th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    “Blake is obsessed with Melky. Boy, if bombs this year Blake won’t know where to hide.”

    two things:

    blake isn’t a “hider”

    melky is a pretty good young player. the yankees could use him.

    just like they could with austin jackson, montero, and ian kennedy.

    it’d be a different looking team.

    oh and signing cano long term a few years ago wouldn’t have hurt either so the yankees wouldn’t be bidding on his later decline years as they will be next year.

  9. MTU December 14th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Benny-

    That’s why I say a whole hog (excuse the pun) bet on the Farm is risky buisness.

    Most prospects either fail completely or disappoint.

    ;)

  10. Chip December 14th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Chad’s post summed everything up perfectly.

    Blake – the Yankees do not like Melky Cabrera – they didn’t like him when he was here and don’t want him. I honestly believe they would rather sign Delmon Young than Melky Cabrera. And, for what it’s worth, I wouldn’t mind giving Delmon Young a one year deal to serve as a RH OF/DH

  11. chicken little December 14th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Delmon Young and Kevin Youkilis won’t mix, let alone Delmon Young and the Jewish fan base of the Yankees, as its quite clear Mr. Young doesn’t think fondly of Jews.

  12. JTfromNY December 14th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    I have to agree with Benny. It’s Tex that’s really been killing us. Relying solely on Cano to be your run producer isn’t going to work. He’s a good hitter, but not a smart hitter. He’s gotta learn how to get his RBIs even when he’s not swinging well. Cano hit cleanup on a first place team, played in 161 games and had nearly 700 PAs, with an OPS of .929, yet only 97 RBI. Something isn’t right there. And that makes me cautious about committing to him with a big money, long-term contract.

  13. blake December 14th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    “I understand the frustration with arods contract but its tex that is killing the Yankees. This transition wouldn’t have been so bad if he didnt fall of the face of the earth.”

    It’s both….but yes Tex was supposed to be the guy to take over as Alex declined….that’s what they signed him to do….. He hasn’t done that.

  14. blake December 14th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    If Melky sucks then I’ll stand here and take it….but remember its only a 2/17 comittment and that they are paying Youkallis 12 million for one year…..

  15. Chip December 14th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    chicken little December 14th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Delmon Young and Kevin Youkilis won’t mix, let alone Delmon Young and the Jewish fan base of the Yankees, as its quite clear Mr. Young doesn’t think fondly of Jews.
    —————–

    He would do a mea culpa and everything would be fine (provided he’s productive). Would he be my first choice? No; but would I prefer him to Carlos Lee? Yes.

  16. chicken little December 14th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Chip December 14th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    chicken little December 14th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Delmon Young and Kevin Youkilis won’t mix, let alone Delmon Young and the Jewish fan base of the Yankees, as its quite clear Mr. Young doesn’t think fondly of Jews.
    —————–

    He would do a mea culpa and everything would be fine (provided he’s productive). Would he be my first choice? No; but would I prefer him to Carlos Lee? Yes.
    _______________

    I don’t think its as simple as a meal culpa. Anti-semetic comments, like racist comments, don’t just go away.

  17. JTfromNY December 14th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    blake, the point is that they need money coming off the books next year so they don’t get slapped with a 75% tax on their payroll. This year its a 25% tax.

  18. Tackelberry December 14th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    blake December 14th, 2012 at 9:25 am
    If Melky sucks then I’ll stand here and take it….but remember its only a 2/17 comittment and that they are paying Youkallis 12 million for one year…..

    _______________________________________________________

    And Youk will be off the books after this year while if Melky sucks they will be stuck with him for another year. Unless they appease you and try to trade for him.

  19. Chip December 14th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    blake December 14th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    If Melky sucks then I’ll stand here and take it….but remember its only a 2/17 comittment and that they are paying Youkallis 12 million for one year…..
    —————–

    We talked about this a little last night – Cashman doesn’t view Melky as a starter. He thinks he has the talent to be a low end starter or decent 4th outfielder and given that they traded him away because of questions about his maturity and then saw how he acted when nailed for steroids, I don’t think those concerns were alleviated. I don’t believe that Ichiro right now is better than Melky, I don’t even believe Gardner is better than Melky in most aspects of the game. But the simple fact is that the New York Yankees have no interest in a reunion with Melky. Not at any price.

  20. JTfromNY December 14th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    so that 8.5 million is really 10.1 this year and would be nearly 15 next year, if they were still over the threshold.

  21. Chip December 14th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    chicken little December 14th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Chip December 14th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    chicken little December 14th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Delmon Young and Kevin Youkilis won’t mix, let alone Delmon Young and the Jewish fan base of the Yankees, as its quite clear Mr. Young doesn’t think fondly of Jews.
    —————–

    He would do a mea culpa and everything would be fine (provided he’s productive). Would he be my first choice? No; but would I prefer him to Carlos Lee? Yes.
    _______________

    I don’t think its as simple as a meal culpa. Anti-semetic comments, like racist comments, don’t just go away.
    ——————–

    Just because I’m Jewish I don’t profess to speak for every Jewish Yankee fan, but I would say, strictly in my opinion, I don’t think it would be a problem. There are idiots in every profession and racists and anti-semites in every profession. I wouldn’t want Delmon Young over for dinner, but if he can help my team win I would be fine with it. And maybe he’ll learn something about the Jewish community while he’s at it.

  22. blake December 14th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    JTfromNY says:
    December 14, 2012 at 9:27 am
    blake, the point is that they need money coming off the books next year so they don’t get slapped with a 75% tax on their payroll. This year its a 25% tax.

    And they also need players in 2014 if they plan on fielding a team….an 8 million dollar salary to a corner OFer HELPs them get under the cap….

  23. blake December 14th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    JTfromNY says:
    December 14, 2012 at 9:29 am
    so that 8.5 million is really 10.1 this year and would be nearly 15 next year, if they were still over the threshold.

    If their goal is just to get under the tax….and stay competitive…. Then they need cheap players….

  24. JTfromNY December 14th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    well then 6.5 helps even more doesn’t it?

  25. JTfromNY December 14th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    And i like Melky. He carried my fantasy team this year until the suspension. But I also understand what the Yankees are doing and why they are doing it. Not to mention that Ichiro will bring more fans to the park and sell more jerseys than melky.

  26. austinmac December 14th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Chad,

    Good article. I agree they are trying to hold on this year with one year contracts. What do they do for players when they so many expire, many of whom would require expensive contracts?

    Simply sitting still with 2014 massive opening luriking, makes no sense to me. Can you see a way to compete with all the opening and little money to fill them?

  27. Benny Blanco December 14th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    It also appears as though the Yankees are trying to have great players on the cheap-in-their prime until they are too expensive to keep. That’s damn near impossible especially with the way players are getting paid today.

    The Yankees simply cannot wait for players to “fall in their lap” at their prices.

    They Yankees have lost their “mystique.” Full time players are not going to take a pay cut and become a part-time player because they want to be a “Yankee.”

    I understand the reason why the Yankees want to use veteran stop gaps but for chrissakes give a young player a chance and let him play. Stop waiting until players are 25 years old before you bring them up.

  28. 86w183 December 14th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    It’s not like Young held a press conference… he was out partying and yelled stupid things at complete strangers. He’s already apologized for it and that should be that.

    It ought to take more than one stupid comment to get branded anything, but that’s always the case in our victimization mindset.

    Young actually makes sense for this season. He is brutal in the OF, but there’s only so much damage he can do out there and he traditionally mashes lefties which is a real need.

    I was with Blake on signing Melky, but can we all quit pretending that Melky or any other FA would have signed with the Yanks for the same money they got elsewhere?

    More often than not that’s not the case and in every case no one has a clue if its true.

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 14th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Great post, Chad. Yankees apparently have a plan. The fact that it might not comport with those of various Yankee fans is of no moment – unless of course their fandom is tied into their own orchestration of the Yankees. :)

    Patience is a virtue, and I find something rather exciting about watching events unfold as opposed to feeling that things will be lockstep according to my plan for the universe. We all know that the best laid plans of mice and (wo)men often go astray.

  30. Tackelberry December 14th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Yanks just seemed determined for once to wait for this next core of prospects to develop and are bringing in guys like Youkilis to buy them some more time rahter than try to rush them. I for one am happy to see this, even if they have to take a step back for once. Everyone was freaking out last year when they traded Montero. Lets see what guys like Heathcott, Austin, Adams and Romine can do for us instead of other teams for once.

  31. austinmac December 14th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Randy,

    I did love your photo. Those were the days. I remember certain parts of it well and others, not so much.

  32. blake December 14th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    “And Youk will be off the books after this year while if Melky sucks they will be stuck with him for another year. Unless they appease you and try to trade for him.”

    They are paying Ichiro nearly as much for two years an he will be 40 next year and was basically a replacement player in Seattle the last two years…..you think Melky is more risky than that?

  33. austinmac December 14th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Delmon Young does make sense from a baseball perspective. So did Melky. For somewhat similar character issues, he seems unlikely to me.

    My Jewish wife would forgive him if he hit and made me happy.

  34. Tackelberry December 14th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    “They are paying Ichiro nearly as much for two years an he will be 40 next year and was basically a replacement player in Seattle the last two years…..you think Melky is more risky than that?”

    After being on PEDs for over a year? YES I DO!!

  35. blake December 14th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    “Not to mention that Ichiro will bring more fans to the park and sell more jerseys than melky.”

    Winning games will bring fans too….

    They could have signed both Melky and Ichiro then their outfield is set for two years and pretty cheap……

    Anyway….just sayin….

    The plan of wait til all the contracts expire next winter then scramble doesn’t seem to be a great one…..

  36. blake December 14th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    “After being on PEDs for over a year? YES I DO!!”

    So do you think Braun didnt take them? Or that he’s still taking them? Or that he just maybe didnt need them?

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 14th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    “Yanks just seemed determined for once to wait for this next core of prospects to develop and are bringing in guys like Youkilis to buy them some more time rahter than try to rush them. I for one am happy to see this, even if they have to take a step back for once.”

    Couldn’t agree more.

    “They are paying Ichiro nearly as much for two years an he will be 40 next year and was basically a replacement player in Seattle the last two years…..you think Melky is more risky than that?”

    “After being on PEDs for over a year? YES I DO!!”

    With this also.

    :)

  38. chicken little December 14th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Tackelberry December 14th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Yanks just seemed determined for once to wait for this next core of prospects to develop and are bringing in guys like Youkilis to buy them some more time rahter than try to rush them. I for one am happy to see this, even if they have to take a step back for once. Everyone was freaking out last year when they traded Montero. Lets see what guys like Heathcott, Austin, Adams and Romine can do for us instead of other teams for once.

    __________________________________________________________________

    Agreed. Particularly since Cashman seems to draw the short end of the straw on a lot of his trades of prospects (sort of like George did when he dealt what eventually became an all-star pitching staff for likes of Rick Rhoden, Rickey Henderson, Steve Trout, etc …)

  39. blake December 14th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: Anibal agrees with tigers

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 14th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    I loved Melky when he was with the Yankees. I was definitely sad he was traded. But I didn’t like the Melky/Cano tandem or what it seemed to do to either of them. Add Melky’s use of PEDs to it, I’m not sure I’d want to see him back in the Bronx.

    I remain firmly convinced that Robby and Melky were not good for each other, this despite other people saying it’s utter hogwash. Apparently one person’s hogwash is another person’s truth.

    ;)

  41. Benny Blanco December 14th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    80 million for Sanchez??

  42. blake December 14th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Cano hit .320 with 25 homers in 2009 (Melky’s last year with the Yanks)…..if Melky was bad for him it really didnt affect his play on the field

  43. blake December 14th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: Anibal gets $80M for 5 yrs w/ tigers as @BNightengale reported

    Phil Hughes just smiled…..all he has to do is repeat his 2012 and he’s getting PAID

  44. MTU December 14th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Wonder if PH is going to API again this OS ?

  45. chicken little December 14th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    I get it that Sanchez is talented and young — but the guy has a losing record. $80 million over 5 years is nuts. At this rate, Ivan Nova can stink for the next five years and by the time he is a free agent can get a $120 million deal.

  46. MTU December 14th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    The FA market is really crazy this OS.

    There are apparently a lot of semolians sloshing around out there.

    Basic law of Economics.

    Too many dollars chasing too few goods.

    Prices rise.

    Don’t blame the Yankees too much for laying off that.

    But I would have thought they would have been active players in the trade market.

    Perhaps prices there were exhorbitant too ?

    :(

  47. 86w183 December 14th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    Hughes has not pitched as well as Sanchez so I doubt he’d be in line for that kind of contract.

    Last three years, Sanchez averaged 195 2/3 innings and a 3.69 ERA

    Last three years, Hughes averaged 147 1/3 innnings and a 4.48 ERA

    Even allowing for ballpark and division factors Sanchez has still be clearly superior.

    Still, Hughes will do wel, but I guess more like four years, $ 50 M

  48. 86w183 December 14th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Just a semantic argument perhaps, but it is a mistake to categorize this as a transition year.

    This season is more of a “tread water” type season. The 2013 Yankees will be a lot like the 2012 Yankees.

    The 2014 Yankees will be the transition year…. enough of a dramatic makeover to inspire a reality show.

  49. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 14th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Wasn’t that the year that Melky was sent down and Robby was benched for a while? Whatever year that happened, I always believed Robby got religion from that experience. It doesn’t appear Melky did – witness his use of steroids. I guess I would err on the side of caution with that one, is all.

    In any event, and to quote ron from a previous thread, “I am a yankee fan. I don’t pick, and choose which day i am,or am not, and to what degree.” (I really love that quote.) With that in mind, I render to the Christmas season that which is Christmas season’s and render to the Yankee organization that which is theirs. :)

    Have a great day all!

  50. blake December 14th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    “Hughes has not pitched as well as Sanchez so I doubt he’d be in line for that kind of contract.”

    Probably not quite that much no because quality wise Sanchez had been a little better….

    However it’s all about the market and Hughes will be the only decent starter under age 30 next season…..if he has a good 2013 then I could see him getting anywhere between 4/60 and 5/75…..which won’t be as much as Anibal….but likely will be more than the Yankees will pay

  51. Mike Ri December 14th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    It amazes me how the Yanks haven’t locked up A.J. Pierzynski yet !!

  52. blake December 14th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    “Wasn’t that the year that Melky was sent down and Robby was benched for a while”

    Wasn’t that the year they won the WS? :)

  53. Chip December 14th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    blake December 14th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    “Not to mention that Ichiro will bring more fans to the park and sell more jerseys than melky.”

    Winning games will bring fans too….
    ——————

    Last year’s attendance (especially in the post season) would seem to smack at that.

  54. chicken little December 14th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    I think Sanchez is the third deal the Cubs had “done” that got flipped around on them after the story broke on twitter.

  55. blake December 14th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    “Last year’s attendance (especially in the post season) would seem to smack at that.”

    Winning games + being interesting brings fans

  56. BIG AL December 14th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    MTU -

    I’d be afraid to give PH a long term contract, given his ups and downs.

    He might report to ST, after getting a huge contract, 30 – 40 pounds over weight, smiling all the way to the bank.

    I really like Phil, but, I’m not yet convinced he’s a top of the rotation SP, nor does he deserve to be paid as such. I still view Phil as a #4 or #5 SP.

  57. Ys Guy December 14th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    cano and tex for old and profar

  58. blake December 14th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    @mikeaxisa: If he stays healthy in 2013, Hughes is going to wind up getting like 5/75 next winter.

  59. blake December 14th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Ys Guy says:
    December 14, 2012 at 10:21 am
    cano and tex for old and profar

    One year of Cano and a bad contract for 6 years of the best prospect in baseball and 6 years of Olt? Why would Texas do that?

  60. MTU December 14th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Morning Al-

    That’s sort why I asked about API. An indication of motivation.

    If the Yankees are not planning on retaining him they ought to consider moving him now and getting a better return than just a draft pick.

  61. blake December 14th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    The Yanks should be trying to use Granderson to get Olt if Texas would do that…..they might not though

  62. BIG AL December 14th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    And the beat goes on. As other teams become contenders, and contenders make improvements, the Yankees continue to slide backwards, losing production in the OF, getting older, rather than younger, and not willing to bite the bullet, and give our AAA players a real chance to compete for a roster spot.

    The Yankees either get rid of players, as they are about to mature into ML players, or block those that might contribute, if given a real chance.

    Great plan, I just can’t see where this team is headed, due to all the smoke they’re blowing.

  63. blake December 14th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    If the Yanks sign AJP and either trade for Morse or sign Hairston then they’ll be pretty good in 2013…..risk filled but good if everyone stays healthy…..it’s just beyond 2013 where there seems to be no strategy

  64. Jerkface December 14th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    blake, the point is that they need money coming off the books next year so they don’t get slapped with a 75% tax on their payroll. This year its a 25% tax.

    Wat. Tax is 50% this year, and 50% next year but on less money. They don’t need money coming off the books next year, they need quality players under contract for cheap for next year. Melky fits that bill exactly. In his prime & cheap, what more could the Yankees have wanted?

  65. The Return of Stoneburner December 14th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    My Jewish wife would forgive him if he hit and made me happy.

    ******

    Mine would not – - – - -

  66. chicken little December 14th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    I bet if you were to ask Hal, Levine, or Cash what the “Yankee Plan” is you would get a lot of great one-liners that mean absolutely nothing and give no window into the “Yankee Plan,” simply because they are doing this by the seat of their pants with one goal in mind: get the payroll below $189, but no real idea on exactly how to do that while building a competitive team and developing talent.

  67. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 14th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    “Wasn’t that the year they won the WS :) ?”

    Yes – after they separated Melky and Robby, sent Melky down, and benched Robby. That was indeed the year. And after those events Robby did well and Melky went elsewhere and used steroids. Anything else?

    Thought not, and see ya for real. If there is anything else, I’ll catch you on another thread.

    :D

  68. chicken little December 14th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    The Return of Stoneburner December 14th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    My Jewish wife would forgive him if he hit and made me happy.

    ******

    Mine would not – – – – -
    **************

    The outcry, even if temporary, by local organizations and groups (many of whom just love media attention), would make signing Young not worth whatever performance benefits he gives. Hate to say it, but if a superstar said what he said, maybe the Yanks go for him — but not a 20 homer type guy.

  69. Chip December 14th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Send Hughes to the Angels for Trumbo and Hank Conger

  70. Jerkface December 14th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Yes – after they separated Melky and Robby, sent Melky down, and benched Robby. That was indeed the year. And after those events Robby did well and Melky went elsewhere and used steroids. Anything else?

    What? You’re mistaken. That was 2008. In 2009 Melky was on the team the entire year and Cano was never benched. They played together and won the WS, hooray friendship

  71. blake December 14th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    @Buster_ESPN: A GM says given current trade market, if NYM gave Dickey exactly what he wanted–2-for-$26m extension–it would increase his trade value.

    Yup sure would

  72. Chip December 14th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    The Return of Stoneburner December 14th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    My Jewish wife would forgive him if he hit and made me happy.

    ******

    Mine would not – – – – -
    ———-

    Mine wouldn’t care as she’s a Red Sox fan…I know I know but the heart wants what the heart wants.

  73. blake December 14th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    “Melky fits that bill exactly. In his prime & cheap, what more could the Yankees have wanted?”

    Older , more expensive, stopgaps apparently

  74. BIG AL December 14th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    “The outcry, even if temporary, by local organizations and groups (many of whom just love media attention), would make signing Young not worth whatever performance benefits he gives. Hate to say it, but if a superstar said what he said, maybe the Yanks go for him — but not a 20 homer type guy.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    They don’t call them dumb jocks for nothing. :)

  75. austinmac December 14th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    I don’t know how one can say we now have the starting right fielder for 2014 in Ichiro. He played well fo rthe Yankees, and I enjoyed watching his unique play. However, his statistics the last two years are among the worst for starting corner outfielders in baseball. He will be a starter two years from now at 41? good luck with that plan.

    Color me unimpressed with Hairston. His lifetime BA is .247 and his lifetime OPS is .751. That is quite poor for a corner outfielder. They will probably give him a two year deal too so we can have under contract two outfielders, neither of whom will likely be good enough to start on a decent team.

    I think Texas, looking now for offense, will sign AJ P. That seems to be the idea in the local papers.

  76. blake December 14th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Melky was the starting CFer for the 2009 Yankees ….he played 154 games for them that season

  77. DONNYBROOK December 14th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    NO way Ichiro gets 400 hits over the next 2 seasons. His foot speed ain’t what it was, meaning fewer “leg hits”, which he used to garner plenty of. His signing has Nothing to do with the 3,000 hit chase. It is ALL about the International $$$ he generates, which fits right in with the bean counters now running this operation. Ichiro also does NOT have the Hose that used to preventrunners from going 1st to 3rd. I like the player, but would Not have inked him for 2 seasons.
    You guys need to stop fixating on trading with Texas. They are currently in shock, and regrouping. Try ‘em again after Jan 1.
    Yanks should just sign Hairston, and shut things down till 2013.
    I like the Wilson signing. He is a graduate of the Scioscia School of Catching, and knows how to situational hit. He’s also an Excellent Sac Bunter.

  78. longtimefan December 14th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    No one seems to be acknowledging that both the Blue Jays and Red Sox unfortunetly got significantly better for 2013 while the yankees did not and with the Rays always seem to be right there and Baltimore a contender, it could be a long frustrating season for yankee fans.

  79. BIG AL December 14th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    A picture of the Yankees FO.

    As they sit staring at the board, watching players they liked coming off, scratching their head with one hand, while placing their other thumb up their a**, a look of confusion appears on their faces, not knowing where to go next, or how to get there.

  80. Ys Guy December 14th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    ok the jays got better. but the had alot of catching up to do.

    the red socks are better but they still suck.

  81. longtimefan December 14th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    If the Yanks sign AJP and either trade for Morse or sign Hairston then they’ll be pretty good in 2013…..risk filled but good if everyone stays healthy…..it’s just beyond 2013 where there seems to be no strategy

    Exactley, that is why I feel this team is being prepared to be sold!

  82. Ys Guy December 14th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    the rays got significantly worse and the orioles marginally worse

  83. jacksquat December 14th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    JTfromNY December 14th, 2012 at 9:23 am
    I have to agree with Benny. It’s Tex that’s really been killing us. Relying solely on Cano to be your run producer isn’t going to work. He’s a good hitter, but not a smart hitter. He’s gotta learn how to get his RBIs even when he’s not swinging well. Cano hit cleanup on a first place team, played in 161 games and had nearly 700 PAs, with an OPS of .929, yet only 97 RBI. Something isn’t right there. And that makes me cautious about committing to him with a big money, long-term contract.

    Cano got pitched around with men in scoring position, and he chased instead taking balls.

  84. DONNYBROOK December 14th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    The R\Sox signing of Dempster was like lighting a cigar with a $20 Bill. An absolute waste of money, And damaging to your health.

  85. jacksquat December 14th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    Hairston is looking for multiple years and from the sounds of it, does not consider himself a platoon player.

  86. blake December 14th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    I think they should trade for Morse if they can ….he’s better than Hairston and is good enough to DH

  87. BIG AL December 14th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    As reporters get ready for Cashman’s interview, following the 2012 season, Cashman looks at his season long list of excuses he’s been preparing for just this moment.

    We didn’t have A-Rod for most of the season. He would have been back much earlier, if he’d had surgery in November, but, A-Rod didn’t want the surgery to get in the way of his holiday plans.

    Jeter came back, but, was not the same guy we saw in 2012, not his fault, just age catching up.

    Dispite our begging, Tex refused to hit the other way, to beat the shift, thus his .225 BA.

    Our OF was old and tired, hit 50 less HR than last season.

    So, these were just some of the contributing factors to our 4th place finish, even though we felt really good going with what we had in ST. :(

  88. DONNYBROOK December 14th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    The guy that consistently KILLS the Yanks is A-Rod. He sucks the life outta this team when he plays, And when he does Not. On the field and off, he’s a Roach Motel with the Yankees trapped inna 5yr lease.

  89. BIG AL December 14th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    SB > following the 2013 season!

  90. blake December 14th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    When over 50 million of a 189 million dollar budget is tied up in players that don’t produce as they should then your actually payroll plays more like 130 or 140…..because you have to replace that production

  91. BIG AL December 14th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Later folks, y’all have a great day.

    If you plan on a visit to see Santa, please remember to ask for a young, quality RF for the Yankees. :)

  92. MTU December 14th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Interesting Narrative Al.

    Could happen that way but I hope it doesn’t somehow.

    You know. Hope springs eternal sort of thing.

    The fighter who got knocked flat coming to their senses just before being counted out and going on to win the fight.

    ;)

  93. G. Love December 14th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    While I’m happy Ichiro is back, Cashman and the Yankees plan of “patience” cost the team the 2nd year in the contract. When the season ended and Ichiro wanted to be re-signed quickly, they probably could’ve locked him up for 1 year but by shoving him off to focus on resigning one pitcher at a time they allowed him to build a market, allowed other players to come off the board and caused teams to start offering him 2 year deals. There was absolutely no talk of 2 year deals when Ichiro wanted to be quickly resigned.

    Say what you want, but sitting on your hands costs you money in the end and now has the team trying to sell a 41yo RF to the fans for 2014.

  94. blake December 14th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: the ascension of jurickson profar, baseball’s best prospect, looks very likely now. plan would be to play ian kinsler at 1B

    Probably….

  95. blake December 14th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    The Tigers rotation is no joke…..

  96. chicken little December 14th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Offensively what has killed the Yankees is that Cano and Tex aren’t “smart” middle of the order hitters in that Cano is prone to chase after pitches out of the strike zone (particularly when he isn’t on a hot streak) and Texeira refuses to alter his approach even though if he did he probably would hit about 30 points higher average wise plus the fact that A-Rod (the big power guy) even when healthy is a shell of what he was even two years ago. Basically all three telegraph to the opposing pitcher exactly how to pitch to them and don’t seem to make any adjustments year to year (let alone game to game).

  97. MTU December 14th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Blake-

    Can’t believe a talented guy like Kinsler will happy moving to 1st base.

    Looks like they are Michael Younging him.

    Hey Kinsler. We’ll take you and find you a good spot to play.

    Request a trade to the Yankees.

    Of course the downside is that we couldn’t afford him anyway.

    :(

  98. The Return of Stoneburner December 14th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Whispers in Dallas for the first time in a long time questioning Daniels – particularly – why he did not sign Prince Fielder a year ago as insurance for Hamilton leaving – - – -first criticisms in a long time down here – - – -

  99. blake December 14th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    “Can’t believe a talented guy like Kinsler will happy moving to 1st base.”

    Yea if does look like he’s going down that road….he will be well paid… But probably jerked around like young was…..

  100. MTU December 14th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    The Tigers were completely dominated at the end last year.

    Poetic justice for what they did to us.

    They looked like a wet noodle.

    Made me happy.

    :)

  101. G. Love December 14th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    If only we could trade Tex to Texas…

  102. blake December 14th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Daniels is a smart guy but he does seem to have trouble communicating with players…..players don’t like to be lied to and if that stuff that went down with Young is true then it’ll get around and it’ll hurt Texas in the free agent market

  103. Chip December 14th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Send Granderson to the Rangers for Olt, Murphy and Moreland

    Send Hughes to the Angels for Conger and Trumbo

    Lineup:

    Jeter
    Ichiro – LF
    Tex
    Cano
    Trumbo – DH
    Murphy – RF
    Youk – 3b
    Romine/Conger
    Gardner – CF

  104. blake December 14th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    G. Love says:
    December 14, 2012 at 11:11 am
    If only we could trade Tex to Texas…

    They’d say….we have already gotten our monster package that changed our franchise for him thank you ….and that was back when he was good ;)

  105. blake December 14th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    “Send Granderson to the Rangers for Olt, Murphy and Moreland”

    I’m not sure they’d do Olt for Grandy straight up….much less all that

  106. jacksquat December 14th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Again, the Angels said they are not trading Trumbo. Could be lying, but I doubt it.

  107. randy l. December 14th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    “. Those were the days. I remember certain parts of it well and others, not so much.”

    austin mac-

    yes, the parts we don’t remember may have been some of the best :)

    i do highly recommend for some of the youngsters like lgy, jerkface, and maybe patrick to drop everything , throw caution to the wind,and do what they want while this yankee decline takes place. yankeefeminista seems to already have fun so she may be able to keep doing what she’s doing :)

    surely they do not want to look back when they’re in their 60′s and say ” man, that sure was wild and fun being on the lohud yankee blog all the time during the hal decline years. :)

  108. G. Love December 14th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    blake,

    I don’t want anything back. Just take him. Give us the salary relief so we can field a competitive team next year.

  109. austinmac December 14th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    The two most recent Cuban emigres have been cleared to play, including a 22 year old shortstop who evidently has ability. Could we at least consider these guys?

  110. PacoDooley December 14th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    I have no interest in Young, even if he came to NY and performed well. Personally, I prefer to root for players I like rather than players I have to pinch my nose to watch. Young has a general reputation as being a horrible person and I have no interest in that. Say what you want about guys like Ichiro and Granderson on the field, but they are a pleasure to root for and I am proud to see them wear the pinstripes.

  111. Tackelberry December 14th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Chip December 14th, 2012 at 11:12 am
    Send Granderson to the Rangers for Olt, Murphy and Moreland

    Send Hughes to the Angels for Conger and Trumbo

    Lineup:

    Jeter
    Ichiro – LF
    Tex
    Cano
    Trumbo – DH
    Murphy – RF
    Youk – 3b
    Romine/Conger
    Gardner – CF

    _______________________________________

    If only it were that simple

  112. The Return of Stoneburner December 14th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Could see Rangers possibly offering up Leonys Martin and Martin Perez for Granderson – depends on how much they want to go after Swisher, involve themselves with Arizona for Upton or Kubel, try to make a power play for Price and do something totally dramatic – - – -

  113. The Return of Stoneburner December 14th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    The two most recent Cuban emigres have been cleared to play, including a 22 year old shortstop who evidently has ability. Could we at least consider these guys?

    *****

    This is just my opinion, but I would imagine those guys would be difficult to go after if they are seeking major league contracts that would count against the 189 figure – though I could be wrong – and I do not know much about them – - – -

  114. MTU December 14th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Mac-

    Nope.

    No Cespedes, no Soler,no Chapman, no Mark, no Fidel.

    No Cubans other than Adonis, and Ronnier.

  115. DONNYBROOK December 14th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    The grumbling in Texas is fallout from having fallen to the A’s. They no longer own the AL West. The Rangers got withing a strike of being a World Champion, and Now that window has closed. They shoulda traded Cruz when he cost them a World Championship with his shoddy “no doubles” D.

  116. Jerkface December 14th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    This is just my opinion, but I would imagine those guys would be difficult to go after if they are seeking major league contracts that would count against the 189 figure – though I could be wrong – and I do not know much about them – – – -

    Yea, I don’t know if they will require major league deals, but last I heard the SS was going to wait until january when he will turn 23 and no longer be subject to the IFA spending cap. Maybe he can get a large bonus instead of a major league contract at that point and be safely free from the 189 limit. Would like the Yankees to pick him up.

  117. tucker December 14th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    If the Yanks were unable to Trade for a righty bat without trading significant prospects, I wouldn’t mind a one year deal w Delmon Young. He loves hitting at the Stadium, balances the lineup. I wouldn’t trust him much in the outfield, but he would not be significantly worse that Raul.

    It would be a bit of old, slow righty hitters w/Young, Youk and and A-Rod when he returns, but it would prove more effective vs lefties than last year.

  118. blake December 14th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    “G. Love says:
    December 14, 2012 at 11:18 am
    blake,

    I don’t want anything back. Just take him. Give us the salary relief so we can field a competitive team next year.”

    I really like Tex….but honestly Id probably give him away as well if somebody would take him…..it’s just simply not that difficult to replace his production at 1B for a lot less money

  119. Against All Odds December 14th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    austinmac December 14th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    The two most recent Cuban emigres have been cleared to play, including a 22 year old shortstop who evidently has ability. Could we at least consider these guys?

    ——————–

    Too young their still babies

  120. chicken little December 14th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    The Texas organization, starting with Nolan Ryan, lets off an arrogance that probably rubs many of its players the wrong way. Young, Hamilton, and Kinsler are primary examples as is Ryan’s arrogance when it comes to pitching. Ryan acts like if he targets a pitcher, the pitcher will come to him and be good because after all he is Nolan Ryan, king of pitching. With Young (and now Kinsler) the Rangers basically said so what if you have been a good soldier and solid player for us — we have someone we think is better than you to play your position. Go play someo other position. And with Hamilton the club basically said to him “we have about 30 scenarios we like better than resigning you. If we decide we are interested in signing you we will sign you. Wait around until we make that decision because you owe us big time” Even listening to Daniels yesterday, he made sure to bring up that the Rangers did so much for Hamilton — as if that was reason enough why he had to come back no matter what. Hamilton did a lot for the Rangers too and got a “take it or leave it” offer he couldn’t refuse.

  121. MTU December 14th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    You must be kidding.

    Michael Young is one of the most respected players in the game.

    A great hitter and a total professional.

    The Rangers jerked him around.

  122. Against All Odds December 14th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting: Newtown, Connecticut shooting reported

    http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/.....d-shooting
    ——————-

    We live in a scary world

  123. J. Alfred Prufrock December 14th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    @TarYank6: @mikeaxisa .346/.390/.516 at 27 years old for 2/17 or 39 year old Ichiro for 2/13? Tough call……
    ///

    Melky Cabrera is 28 years old, for the record.

    Anyone calling him a “4th OF”, whether it’s Chip or Brian Cashman, is in some serious denial.

    This is what Melky Cabrera’s splits were in 2012:

    vs RHP as LHB: .327 .368 .458 .826
    vs LHP as RHB .395 .444 .667 1.111

    He also hit .300 or better, from both sides of the plate, the previous season, with Kansas City.

    If you think testosterone is going to give a guy a hit tool that exceptional, and from BOTH SIDES OF THE PLATE, it is you who is abusing a substance: spite punch, perhaps.

    And I ask those people again: GMs and trainers have been saying that synthetic testosterone is a “real problem” in the game because of its insidiousness and its ability to evade detection.

    If that’s so, where are all the .300/high OPS hitters? Where are all the switch hitters with such impressive splits? Where are they??? You have no answer for that, do you.

    Melky Cabrera is a very talented hitter in his prime years. The Yankees under estimated that talent to a woeful degree. They don’t like his personality, that’s something else, although I think it’s extremely telling that the model player and true archetypal Yankee, Derek Jeter, expressed enthusiasm when getting him back was being discussed, even calling him a “good teammate and clubhouse guy,” according to a WFAN report.

    I also think it is interesting that Alex “begged” the Yankees to sign him, that Cano referred to him, several years ago, as “a great hitter,” that George Brett expressed surprise and delight on what a talented hitter he is, that a batting title was predicted for him by Bill Masse, a miL coach,….

    The writing was on the wall if you bothered to look, that Melky would take his hitting to another level eventually. He’s done that. The signs were there in 2009. Joe Girardi, who clearly wanted any excuse to give the starting job to his preferred CF, Brett Gardner, said Cabrera’s coming around as a RHB was the reason he won the starting job that year.

    Well, that right-handed hitting is now extremely dangerous.

    Hey – I think Melky’s going to rake this year. He’s probably hitting in front of Joey Bautista, too.

  124. jacksquat December 14th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    We already have Youk, please don’t add Young on top of that, thanks.

  125. MTU December 14th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    AAO-

    It’s always been violent.

    It’s just more out in the open now.

    ;)

  126. PacoDooley December 14th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    MTU December 14th, 2012 at 11:23 am
    You must be kidding.

    Michael Young is one of the most respected players in the game.

    A great hitter and a total professional.

    The Rangers jerked him around.
    ————————–

    Delmon Young, not Michael. I’m pretty sure we were talking about Delmon – i.e., the one arrested in NY.

    Here is how Wikipedia describes his ‘incident’ in NY:

    On April 27, 2012, Young was arrested for aggravated harassment as a hate crime in New York City. … he yelled an anti-Semitic slur while he was intoxicated.

  127. MTU December 14th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Dooley-

    My mistake. Some Michael Young convo was mixed in as well.

  128. blake December 14th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    “Could see Rangers possibly offering up Leonys Martin and Martin Perez for Granderson”

    Id so that too… Perez is their Banuelos and he’s not hurt

  129. MTU December 14th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Blake-

    I really don’t think we trade with the Rangers.

  130. austinmac December 14th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    JAP,

    Melky for about the same money as Ichiro would not have required a right handed platoon partner. That actually is more economical than the way they are going.

    I have learned never to expect them to do what seems patently obvious.

  131. The Genius Maker December 14th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    I don;t even mind that for perhaps only one year the Yanks want to stay under $189…but if teh Yanks sign Ichiro for the same rumored deal that Philly offered him, they are NUTS! You could take that $19 mil locked into two players that most likely form a statistical standpoint would be at best league average (Youkilis could bounce back but his last 90 AB’s were as bad as his Red Sox performance) but Ichiro was rated the worst starting player in teh majors for 1.5 years and he is only getting older. I would not pay him 7 mil for 2 years (let alone 14 mil) as I think even Chris Dickerson could do the same or better for a lot less.

    Take that $19 mil and sign a real player…this is the same philosophy I have been asking for on my blog for years. The middle signing are not the good ones for the Yanks. They should be signing the superstars and then using youth for the rest and then use your dollars at the trade deadline to pick up the pieces you need for mostly cash. If I were the yanks I would have taken that 19 mil and used it to grab players after the All Star break where teams wanted cash and paid money for excellent ball players. The edict to get the payroll down is fine…the execution is what I question.

  132. austinmac December 14th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    MTU,

    Please do not make mistakes. We are trying to run a error free board.

    I did double check for my usual typos.

  133. blake December 14th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    MTU says:
    December 14, 2012 at 11:33 am
    Blake-

    I really don’t think we trade with the Rangers.”

    I think we sign Hairston and call it a winter

  134. blake December 14th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    @Buster_ESPN: It’s become evident that this Hamilton deal was made over the head of the Angels’ baseball operations department.

  135. G. Love December 14th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    J.AP,

    If Melky proves in Toronto that he can come close to replicating those numbers or surpass them w/drug testing there’s going to be a lot of questions flying around why the Yankees didn’t even attempt to resign him. I already started asking the questions when this budget nonsense became reality and we needed to be creative in our acquisitions.

    That being said, to most of the baseball world he has to prove himself as a “clean” player now. He’ll have his chance. Just stinks that if he’s very good, it will hurt us going forward.

  136. blake December 14th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    The battle for LA

  137. Against All Odds December 14th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    MTU December 14th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    AAO-

    It’s always been violent.

    It’s just more out in the open now.

    ;)

    ————————

    That’s true MTU very true

  138. Against All Odds December 14th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    blake December 14th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    @Buster_ESPN: It’s become evident that this Hamilton deal was made over the head of the Angels’ baseball operations department.

    ———————

    I wonder what their reaction was when the news broke

  139. chicken little December 14th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    @Buster_ESPN: It’s become evident that this Hamilton deal was made over the head of the Angels’ baseball operations department.

    _____________________________________

    … And right out of the George M. Steinbrenner III Handbook.

  140. MTU December 14th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Mac-

    Us old hikers have to stick together.

    Check this out. You’ll get a kick out of these :

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/FarSide?authkey=Gv1sRgCJKErc6frKDWTA#

    Blake-

    I’m not giving up till ST. Still hoping for that big trade.

    You’ll probably find my skeleton w. a sign like that in my hand though.

    :(

  141. JobaTipsHisCap December 14th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Hamilton will make LAA look very bad.

  142. DONNYBROOK December 14th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    The Angels approach to winning SoCal makes sence. The Dodgers approach is like what we are seeing outta the R\Sox. A lotta $$$ thrown at players that have no bona fides as to leading teams to the World Series or World Championships. Magic Johnson is doing a MLB version of his “Showtime” Lakers. Lotta glitz and noise, but the Dodgers do Not have a Magic Johnson or a Kareem to lead ‘em. Timing is everything. I believe if the new ownership had been in place a yr ago, Pujols would be wearing Dodger Blue.

  143. Chip December 14th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    No one answered this for me last night but I’ll ask again – how did Ramiro Pena get a major league contract from Atlanta – was Frank Wren drunk or confused?

  144. MTU December 14th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    IMO there is a huge battle for hearts and souls of the So. Cal fanbase.

    And consequently, for their dough.

    Moreno is just trying his best to keep up with the Joneses to the South.

    Or should I say “Johnson” ?

    Oh well. You get my drift.

    Maybe they’ll have a West coast Freeway series ?

    :)

  145. blake December 14th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Chip says:
    December 14, 2012 at 11:48 am
    No one answered this for me last night but I’ll ask again – how did Ramiro Pena get a major league contract from Atlanta – was Frank Wren drunk or confused?

    Eh….back up infielder that cost nothing….

  146. Chip December 14th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Angels/Dodgers are turning into Mets/Yankees in that they’re trying to outdo each other for attention in one market. Good for them.

    I don’t think this was a great baseball move for the Angels and tend to agree with Jon Daniels who quipped that they’re a great team on paper but they were a great team on paper last year too. I’m sure the baseball people would have preferred spending that money on Greinke than Hamilton as their pitching after Weaver and Wilson is garbage.

  147. Tyler December 14th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Against All Odds December 14th, 2012 at 11:39 am
    blake December 14th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    @Buster_ESPN: It’s become evident that this Hamilton deal was made over the head of the Angels’ baseball operations department.

    ———————

    I wonder what their reaction was when the news broke
    ——————————————————

    Lol, probably just looked at each other and said nothing.

  148. Benny Blanco December 14th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    That’s the problem; when the Yankees try to make projections on players. You just don’t know. It’s hard to predict who will be great or even average.

    The thing that boggles my mind is how the
    Yankees said that Austin Jackson couldn’t hit breaking balls and struck out too much.

  149. BD (Boston Dave) December 14th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    With the $$ being spewed out these days, it seems like MLB really set the $189M bar too low.

    My biggest issue with the $189M had always been that it didn’t give the Yankees ample time to adjust to it. It penalized them bigtime.

    with teams writing blank checks and revenues at all time highs, isn’t NOW the time for no salary cap??

  150. Chip December 14th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    blake December 14th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Chip says:
    December 14, 2012 at 11:48 am
    No one answered this for me last night but I’ll ask again – how did Ramiro Pena get a major league contract from Atlanta – was Frank Wren drunk or confused?

    Eh….back up infielder that cost nothing….

    ————————–

    Yes, I’m not talking about the money – I just wouldn’t have bothered giving him a guaranteed major league deal. Pena’s the kind of guy who gets a minor league deal and invite to spring training.

  151. MTU December 14th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    I’m having a hard time getting motivated to go out today.

    It’s cold and rainy. We really need the rain though so I shouldn’t complain.

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    Trade the older assets you have and build a force to be reckoned with starting in 2015.

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    RMS-

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