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Week in Review: Youkilis fills hole at third base

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 16, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

During this winter of new contracts for familiar faces, the Yankees finally signed a new guy last week. And truthfully, he’s about as familiar as anyone.

Long-time Red Sox third baseman Kevin Youkilis officially signed a one-year, $12-million deal on Friday. He’ll switch sides in the rivalry and take over at third while Alex Rodriguez recovers from hip surgery.

“They just told me that I’m going to play third base,” Youkilis said. “With Alex, when he comes back, he’ll probably DH a little bit, play a little third. There’s no telling. We hope that he recovers as soon as possible.”

Of course, Youkilis did continue the Yankees trend of one-year deals with aging players.

“I’d say you’re always concerned about (age),” Brian Cashman said. “But I’m not concerned about it when you look at the alternatives. The alternative is, ‘Hey, I could get a younger player that just isn’t very good.’ You could run him out there for 162. It wouldn’t hurt, but he wouldn’t help you.”

• Outside of New York, the biggest baseball news of the week was certainly the Angels deal with Josh Hamilton. The Angels gave Hamilton a five-year deal.

• Although nothing is official yet, the Yankees are believed to be on the verge of finalizing a two-year contract with Ichiro Suzuki. Cashman can’t publicly comment on the deal, but he has acknowledged that the Yankees will need to add a right-handed outfielder if (and when) they do re-sign Ichiro.

• Scott Hairston, who could fit that need for a right-handed outfielder, is reportedly looking for a two-year deal. The Yankees have been trying to avoid multi-year contracts this winter and have previously filled that right-handed platoon role by signing Andruw Jones to two separate one-year contracts.

• Speaking of Jones, he’s agreed to play in Japan next season, a sign of just how far he’s fallen.

• The Yankees added some depth by agreeing to minor league deals with catcher Bobby Wilson and infielder Gil Velazquez.

• At a Yankee Stadium food drive, Mariano Rivera once again said he expects to be fully healthy in time for spring training. He’s supposed to start a throwing program soon.

• The Yankees finally released their spring training schedule, which begins on the road against the Braves on February 23. The schedule also includes a rare trip to play the Cardinals and Marlins in Jupiter.

• The Yankees were hit with a $18.9 million luxury tax bill for 2012. They were the only team hit with the tax.

• The Baseball Assistance Team (B.A.T.) will honor Yogi Berra and Joba Chamberlain at its annual fund-raising dinner in January. Berra is the honoree of the evening while Chamberlain will receive the Bart Giamatti Award, which goes to “an individual in baseball who best exemplifies the compassion demonstrated by the late Commissioner.”

• Goes without saying that the thoughts and prayers of myself and everyone here at LoHud go out to the families affected by Friday’s unthinkable violence in Connecticut. Can’t think of a single thing to say except that it’s been a horrible and sad situation that’s going to linger with us for a while.

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697 Responses to “Week in Review: Youkilis fills hole at third base”

  1. joeman December 16th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:01 am
    Guys like Harper and Trout are exceptional talents.

    For every 1 like them there might be a 100, or even a 1000 Melky Mesa’s.

    ————————————————–
    for sure

  2. blake December 16th, 2012 at 9:04 am


    Is Olt a better prospect than Williams, Heathcott and Austin….would you trade two of them for him?”

    He’s ranked similarly to Williams and Sanchez but he’s ready for the big leagues….

    That said I wouldn’t give two of them no….Id maybe trade Austin for him but Id much prefer to try and build a deal around Granderson if possible…..Id probably even do Granderson and Nova to be honest

  3. blake December 16th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Youkalis fills a hole at 3B until he gets hurt himself…..

    Youk doesn’t have much range and with Jeters range already diminished before ankle surgery their left side infield defense is worrisome.

    Aquire Olt and let him play 3b and RF against lefties and Youk DH a lot….

  4. RadioKev December 16th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Good Morning,

    If this Dickey deal goes through, we’ve seen prospects value take a real hit this offseason. I think that only emphasizes how unlikely it is for the Yanks to trade for a difference maker type player.

  5. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Blake-

    Maybe shoulda given a Nix/Adams combo a shot ?

  6. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Kev-

    Some would argue the exact opposite.

    That the prospects have been used in an effective manner for their respective team needs.

    Might not be so cut-and-dried.

    ;)

  7. RadioKev December 16th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    I think Nix and Adams will still get their chance to prove themselves in spring training. It is unlikely that Adams breaks camp with the team, but he could be working for first call up.

  8. Melkmanisinhotlanta December 16th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Youkie will do fine and Aroid needs to retire. Why go out on the field a shell of his former roid self?

  9. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    It’s time to give thiis AAA right-handed bat, player a shot for 3B/corner outfielder:

    His stats:

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....pid=608589

  10. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Kev-

    Isn’t that spot now occupied by the bald one.

    Don’t seee them needing Nunez, Adams, and Nix.

    Of the 3 Adams would seem the most likely to be returned to the Minors.

  11. joeman December 16th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    there are so many if’s on this Yankee team coming into 13, Jeter’s injury was by no means a minor one one that could rob him of more quickness and one that set backs can happen. Not a sure thing that Arod even makes it back in 13 or in time to help, can Youkilis play at least 120 games at 3rd, is Mo going to be like the pre injured Mo. The age with Andy has to catch up with him …there is so much age on this team to its key players it’s scary…

  12. RadioKev December 16th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    MTU,

    Personally, I agree. I thought the Royals/Rays trade for one was a pretty good deal. I think this could be a good deal for Toronto too, because they’re in win now mode and it makes total sense in a weakened AL East.

    However it seems like a lot of evaluators and industry people disagree with me.

    Point is, upper level elite prospects have landed guys that are older without many years left on their contract. Could bode well for a Grandy deal (or a Cano deal!! Not happening..)

  13. joeman December 16th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:09 am
    Blake-

    Maybe shoulda given a Nix/Adams combo a shot
    ———————————————
    if I may..agree

  14. RadioKev December 16th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    MTU,

    Nix is a utility man, so I don’t think it affects him too much. As for Nunez or Adams, like I said, could be working for that first call up. I’m sure some circumstance will create and opening on the roster.

  15. joeman December 16th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    non ppr…Wilson or Spiller today

  16. Melkmanisinhotlanta December 16th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Youkie is going to have a great season since he will be playing for at least a two or three year contract after this season. This is his make or break and I bet on him stepping it up a notch or three. Youkie brings grit and long at bats that will help the team if they make the playoffs. I’d take Youkie’s bat in the playoffs over Aroids any day of the week.

    Ichiro is going to hit over .300 and provide a huge spark for the team. The guy likes NY and that’s rare.

    The starting pitching is going to be good. The bullpen is very good. Mo will be as good as usual. Hopefully he learned his lesson and stops taking silly risks by shagging balls?

  17. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Kev-

    Each team has it’s own needs and sees it prospects in it’s own way.

    No one here really knows how the Yankees, or any other team values their prospects.

    We only know after the fact. When a trade has been completed.

    I do believe that most here have a very different view of them than the Brass do. They are much more pragmatic about their worth and future value to the organization.

    Very, very few are designated as keepers despite the hype.

  18. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    And now it time to walk the Mops.

    Later.

    :)

  19. blake December 16th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Trade Granderson and Nova for Olt and Martin Perez.

    The Rangers need a power OF bag to replace Hamilton and they could use another rotation arm as well…..Perez’s stock has fallen but he’s basically their Banuelos and hopefully if you have two of them then one will pan out.

    Gives the Yanks a cost controlled 3B and another controlled LH starter…..

  20. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Have to go also.

    Until later.

  21. joeman December 16th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    blake December 16th, 2012 at 9:29 am
    Trade Granderson and Nova for Olt and Martin Perez.

    The Rangers need a power OF bag to replace Hamilton and they could use another rotation arm as well…..Perez’s stock has fallen but he’s basically their Banuelos and hopefully if you have two of them then one will pan out.

    Gives the Yanks a cost controlled 3B and another controlled LH starter…..

    ——————————-
    they have another Perez on that team I’d like to have

  22. jacksquat December 16th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Yankee Trader December 16th, 2012 at 9:15 am
    It’s time to give thiis AAA right-handed bat, player a shot for 3B/corner outfielder:

    His stats:

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats…..pid=608589

    I’ve been pushing for Mustelier to get the 4th OF job (can also back up 3B). He tore up AA and hit well in AAA. There is probably not much more for him to prove down there.

  23. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    “As the shooter entered Room 10, a first-grade classroom, teacher Vicki Leigh Soto tried to shield her students, her cousin Jim Wiltsie told the Wall Street Journal.That is how she was found. Huddled with her children,”Soto had taught for five years and was known by students as silly and loving.

    On her teacher’s bio, Soto wrote: “In my free time I love to spend time with black lab Roxie. I love spending time with my brother, sisters and cousins. I love to spend time reading books on the beach soaking up the sun. I also love flamingos and the New York Yankees.”

    Victoria Soto 27—-RIP fellow Yankee fan.

    Sorry to be a downer. :sad:

  24. Against All Odds December 16th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    R.I.P.

  25. joeman December 16th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    Tar December 16th, 2012 at 9:43 am
    “As the shooter entered Room 10, a first-grade classroom, teacher Vicki Leigh Soto tried to shield her students, her cousin Jim Wiltsie told the Wall Street Journal.That is how she was found. Huddled with her children,”Soto had taught for five years and was known by students as silly and loving.

    On her teacher’s bio, Soto wrote: “In my free time I love to spend time with black lab Roxie. I love spending time with my brother, sisters and cousins. I love to spend time reading books on the beach soaking up the sun. I also love flamingos and the New York Yankees.”

    Victoria Soto 27—-RIP fellow Yankee fan.

    Sorry to be a downer.

    ——————————-
    this hit home for me really hard..living only 10 miles from the School and having a daughter teaching 1st grade in another town in CT…

  26. pat December 16th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Off Topic:

    KimJonesSports
    In visiting locker rm at Georgia Dome, NYG asst manager Ed Skiba is inscribing “SHES” onto each helmet. pic.twitter.com/1YKGNAA0

    NFL wouldn’t have the nerve to fine them for uniform violation, would they?

  27. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Sorry Joeman

    As hard it is for me, I can only imagine how much tougher it is for you being so close. I just thought that since Victoria was a Yankee fan she should be recognized here. Again sorry to be a downer. :sad:

  28. mick December 16th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    To break the OS discourse down to one question, this would be it:

    If we have abandoned the win at any cost philosophy, which didn’t always work btw, have we changed the identity of the Yankees ?

  29. MaineYankee December 16th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    My wife teaches kindergarten and they practiced a lockdown just the day before.

    Obviously this has struck close to home.

    Tomorrow will be a somber day in schools throughout the country.

    Pray for the famlies of the victims and all teachers also as they go to school and have to try to explain this tradegy to their students.

  30. RadioKev December 16th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    This has Joey G written all over it: Article on umps and managers, and what they’re talking about.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  31. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Last night I had a dream the Yankees traded Arod.

    I’m very disappointed in myself for not being able to recall the details of the trade so we could argue over whether or not my subconscious is more ore less creative than Cash.

  32. jacksquat December 16th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    I have a hunch, just a hunch, Youk is going to bounce back and have a good year.

  33. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    OT for Tar, Joeman, Maine, and anyone else who cares to read it.

    And these posts made me cry (again). Maine, I cannot imagine how your wife has to be feeling as a kindergarten teacher. I looked at today’s online news and staring out at me were the faces of those innocent beautiful little childen. The whole world has been affected by this. All the world leaders have sent in messages of condolence, in Rio they put 26 crosses on one of the beaches. These were 6 and 7-year-old little chilren – and their teachers and principal. I saw on CNN this morning that one of the basketball teams (cannot remember which one) walked out onto the court holding the hands of their children. Also that many of the football teams today are going to pay tribute. My SIL, who teaches middle-school children, was a mess that entire day. She also has a 6-year-old and 3-year-old, both of whom are in some kind of school settings, so I’m sure she identified with that part of it. She’s now worried sick about some nut going into her children’s schools. Because it happened in Connecticut and not in California, Idaho, or RI, doesn’t mean it couldn’t. And you worry about copy cat crazies who just want their names out there. I heard that someone fired 50 shots outside of one of the malls somewhere in the US. This is a bad bad world and a terrible economy just makes it that much more worrisome because people are desperate and some feel they have nothing to live for anyway. The ability to get guns so easily is the icing on the cake.

    THINK ABOUT KINDERGARTNERS PRACTICING LOCKDWNS and that should tell you the state our society is in. Let’s hand out condoms in high schools, teach about any and all aberrant behaviors, have mainstream television filled with crime and violence and sex – but let’s make sure that God is taken far away from our schools. Let’s congratulate ourselves on having achieved the individualism and self-expression that the ACLU fights desperately for, no matter what it is and how far out there it is, and no matter how many others may be negatively affected by it.

    By the way, the founding fathers in separating church and state were not fighting against the government allowing religious expression. The were fighting against religious oppression. Two totally different cats. In God we trust.

  34. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    jacksquat December 16th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    I have a hunch, just a hunch, Youk is going to bounce back and have a good year.
    ————————-

    I agree. Youkilis is not that old, and he’s not that far removed from 2011. Moreover, he is going to be highly motivated to prove everybody (especially the Red Sox) wrong. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see him go .270/.380/.840 in 2012. I think that next year at this time, a lot of folks on this forum are going to be clamoring for Cashman to bring back Youkilis for another year.

  35. blake December 16th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    I think Youk would have a better chance to bounce back if he DHd a lot…..

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Tar, you are far from a downer. I’m actually envious of people who can worry about what the Yankees are planning for next year and are not consumed by the events in Connecticut. Next life I want to come back as one of them. Truth.

  37. pkyankfan69 December 16th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Hey Trish,

    And which god will children be learning about in schools?

  38. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    THINK ABOUT KINDERGARTNERS PRACTICING LOCKDWNS and that should tell you the state our society is in. Let’s hand out condoms in high schools, teach about any and all aberrant behaviors, have mainstream television filled with crime and violence and sex – but let’s make sure that God is taken far away from our schools. Let’s congratulate ourselves on having achieved the individualism and self-expression that the ACLU fights desperately for, no matter what it is and how far out there it is, and no matter how many others may be negatively affected by it.

    By the way, the founding fathers in separating church and state were not fighting against the government allowing religious expression. The were fighting against religious oppression. Two totally different cats. In God we trust.

    ****

    My thoughts are prayers go out to the New Town community.

    Unfortunately – these type of school horrors have been going on in U.S. history longer than we may want to admit. Too simple to blame it on today’s society and turn it in to the message you have above.

    See The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school children, two teachers, four other adults and the bomber himself; at least 58 people were injured. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (7–11 years of age[1]) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest mass murder in a school in U.S. history.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

  39. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Apologies – Newtown – - – -

  40. pkyankfan69 December 16th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    And on the Mets, this has a good chance to be a killer deal for the Mets… They are quietly building a potentially very very good rotation…. Harvey, Wheeler, Syndergaard, Niese, Gee… D’Arnaud has some injury history but still looks evey bit like a franchise catcher, not to mention he is just about ML ready. If they spend some money on their OF the Mets have a chance to be a very good team in a few years. Sandy is doing a really nice job… Yanks should take a look at what these guys on 1 year contracts (Choo/Dickey) are bringing back in return, get a clue, and trade Granderson while they still can.

  41. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Could David Adams be Martin Prado 1.5 (the .5 taken out to make it a complete 2 because he cannot play the OF) in 2014?

    Could Tyler Austin be Mike Olt 2.0 going into 2014?

  42. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    So in the end the Jays will have traded Roy Halladay and have R.A. Dickey to show for it – - – -

  43. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Good morning.

    Let’s purely and genuinely pray for these children, parents, and their families. And leave off proselytizing and religious chauvinism that promotes religious exclusivity. Sleep in heavenly peace.

  44. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    Not yet. RT @kyleaustin11 @LadyLovesPins do you think Tyler Austin could play in the majors right now?

    10h Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    @LadyLovesPins @kyleaustin11 Phelps will get plenty of starts in 2013 with the Yankees.

    10h Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    @LadyLovesPins @kyleaustin11 Big Phelps fan here, I think he could start in the majors right now and win. Mentality + stuff of a workhorse.

    10h Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    @LadyLovesPins @kyleaustin11 Montgomery is great, but he isn’t the best player in the Yankees system.

    10h Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    @LadyLovesPins @kyleaustin11 Yep. He’ll be back in 2013 so you cross your fingers and hope for the best. That’s all you do for prospects.

    10h Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    @LadyLovesPins @kyleaustin11 Well they do have Campos back next season. He is a really good arm in the minors.

    10h Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    @LadyLovesPins With the rate of success of TJ surgeries nowadays I’m not that worried with Banuelos.

    10h Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    @TheRealHareBear Jose Ramirez could end up #1 at the end of 2013. Immense talent.

    10h Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    For me it’s Manny Banuelos, Jose Campos, Jose Ramirez in that order. RT @TheRealHareBear Who is the best pitcher in the farm system?

    10h Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    I think a lot of people wrote of Manny Banuelos, but he should still be considered a top prospect even if he misses all of 2013.

    10h Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    Best? Gary Sanchez. Biggest value right now. RT @kyleaustin11 who do you think is the best player in the Yankees farm system?

  45. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    I haven’t watch Youk play 3rd recently, but when I did watch him, he wasn’t very good. Team defense is a concern.

  46. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Does Jose Ramirez start the season in AA along with Turley?

  47. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    If so – that is too potential arms beginning 2013 in a league within striking distance of the majors possibly for 2014 – - -possibly – - – -

  48. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Ramirez should have been moved up to AA last year. I thought Marshall should have been moved up, but arm was fatigued. In AA playoffs they pushed Marshall beyond his normal innings and he had nothing left late. Only recent why Reading hit a couple of bombs off him. Marshall should start in AAA, so Ramirez is the logical choice in AA.

  49. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Only *reason why

  50. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    ooops – two NOT too – - – -

  51. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    And glad to see Ramirez targeted back in the SP where he belongs. Instead of all that relegating him to the BP nonsense that was happening last year off of Instructs.

  52. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    I’m hoping not, but still think Campos is a TJS waiting to happen in 2013.

  53. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Sanchez best player? Absolutely.

  54. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Dang i thought Gumbs started more games at ss filling in – but it was only 1

    Here is some stats on him in limited winter ball –

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....pid=592365

    Don’t know much whether he could make the transition over to SS (reports say he is athletic)

    Wonder if Gumbs will open up in Tampa or repeat Charleston – - – -

  55. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    trisha-

    i think this is a time for somber reflection.

    no one knows the answer to how something like this happens.

    i wholeheartedly agree that assault weapons should be banned. they should be banned tomorrow as soon as congress can act.

    i do not agree with much else of what you say.

    for example, i wouldn’t let any child of mine anywhere near the clergy of the religion you practice for obvious reasons.

    one person’s faith is another person’s evil.

    that said, we can agree that this kind of tragedy can’t be allowed to happen. anything that we can do to prevent it we have to do as a society.

    rather than push one lifestyle or one’s viewpoints on everyone, i think a tolerance and respect for diversity has to be a foundation for a civli society.

    keep religion out of it, yet encourage religious freedom.

    i know you mean well with your comments feeing the outrage that we all feel.

    but you do understand that a lot of people look at some of your solutions as being part of the problem.

    i say that not to antagonize, but rather to encourage thoughtfulness with everyone including me.

  56. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    =========

    Excellent post. I think that in trying to grapple with understanding these kinds of incidents, the psychological aspect of it is at least as important as the cultural. Our communities are going to have to figure out ways to mitigate the damage that these crazies can do, and figure out some prevention measures, because it does seem to be happening all too frequently in recent years. More gun control clearly isn’t the answer, but I’m not sure what is… I wonder if this latest lunatic was under psychiatric care; I wonder what kind of guidance the psychiatric community can offer on prevention methods…

  57. Against All Odds December 16th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    I’m hoping not, but still think Campos is a TJS waiting to happen in 2013.

    ====================

    I feel the same way

  58. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    trisha-

    i think this is a time for somber reflection.

    no one knows the answer to how something like this happens.

    i wholeheartedly agree that assault weapons should be banned. they should be banned tomorrow as soon as congress can act.

    i do not agree with much else of what you say.

    for example, i wouldn’t let any child of mine anywhere near the clergy of the religion you practice for obvious reasons.

    one person’s faith is another person’s evil.

    that said, we can agree that this kind of tragedy can’t be allowed to happen. anything that we can do to prevent it we have to do as a society.

    rather than push one lifestyle or one’s viewpoints on everyone, i think a tolerance and respect for diversity has to be a foundation for a civli society.

    keep religion out of it, yet encourage religious freedom.

    i know you mean well with your comments feeing the outrage that we all feel.

    but you do understand that a lot of people look at some of your solutions as being part of the problem.

    i say that not to antagonize, but rather to encourage thoughtfulness with everyone including me.

    ==================

    Just as long as you realize that a lot of people look at some of your solutions as being part of the problem as well.

  59. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Odds, they were being very cautious with Campos, and rightfully so.

    Randy, I wholeheartedly agree about the respect for religious freedom and diversity. There is no God that condones this tragic act, and no person regardless of religious affiliation that doesn’t ache from it.

  60. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    yankeefem and Randy,

    Well said.

    Trisha, we all are devastated by this despicable act. I daresay, Buddhists feel as violated as Christians.

    If you all remember the name Mathew Sheppard, you’ll also remember that he was senselessly and ruthlessly murdered by homophobes who delighted in torturing him and who claimed to be upholding certain values that their church told them were correct.

    Religion is a choice, and for some, a calling. Not a weapon to brow beat people over the head.

    I think part of the solution to ending this kind of inexplicable cruelty and insanity is to gain a greater sensitivity to ALL around us – not just those we consider part of our group, or those we grant human qualities to, while we withhold those qualities from others.

    This boy had problems – big problems. Maybe, if someone were paying closer attention, he might have gotten the help he obviously was in desperate need of. Would this have been avoided? I can’t say – but I do wonder to myself how someone can go so off the rails and no one notices…. “he always kept to himself” “he was kind of weird”, etc… Of course, “normal” people can go off the rails, and you hear “I can’t understand it, the nicest guy you’d ever want to meet,” …so there is no pat solution.

    But I do think we need to stop the “Us” and “Them” game Pink Floyd so eloquently expresses.

  61. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    “Just as long as you realize that a lot of people look at some of your solutions as being part of the problem as well.”

    ghostwriter-

    absolutely.

    goes without saying.

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Just as long as you realize that a lot of people look at some of your solutions as being part of the problem as well.
    ///

    Ghost,

    Sorry to cut in, here. But what solution did Randy propose that could be viewed as “part of the problem”?

    Tolerance for diverse viewpoints and respect for diversity?

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    ghostwriter-

    absolutely.

    goes without saying.
    ///

    I must say, I’m at a loss. When “tolerance” and “respect” are inappropriate, the whole thing is going to hell in a handbag.

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Randy, I wholeheartedly agree about the respect for religious freedom and diversity. There is no God that condones this tragic act, and no person regardless of religious affiliation that doesn’t ache from it.
    ///

    Of course.

    Yankeefem, Jo-Ram getting some love, eh? That Lakewood performance in 2010 remains one of the most impressive displays of a young pitcher mixing basically 2 pitches but using location as his “3rd” pitch to completely baffle hitters. Very sophisticated. Can’t wait until we get him here.

  65. RadioKev December 16th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Please let’s just stick with arguing about baseball. This is supposed to be my escapism!

  66. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Yankeefem, Jo-Ram getting some love, eh? That Lakewood performance in 2010 remains one of the most impressive displays of a young pitcher mixing basically 2 pitches but using location as his “3rd” pitch to completely baffle hitters. Very sophisticated. Can’t wait until we get him here.
    _____
    Pruf, one of the all time great pitching performances that I have seen. His changeup made me laugh out loud. and that fast ball… The reasons I would never give up on him/relegate him to pen so prematurely. I can’t wait until he is in Trenton. That team will be stacked on both sides of the ball.

  67. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    And can’t wait to see that slider…

  68. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    RadioKev,

    I agree, sort of. I certainly don’t want to argue differing political or religious views at a time like this, but I do feel the need to object if they are being dragged into such a horrible and shocking tragedy such as this to promote those views as the only ones, or the suggestion that not everyone agreeing with that actually has a role in causing such a tragedy.

    To me, that’s what’s inappropriate, no matter how much we’re all hurting and want to find quick relief.

  69. luis December 16th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Good morning/afternoon ;)

    It was a real tragedy what happened in CT. Just read the news… Senseless and horrible, my prayers to the families.

    It’s good to see some familiar faces around. Hi Primo, YF, Randy, Ghost, Odds et al.

  70. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Yankeefem,

    This is one guy they didn’t cave on when he couldn’t spin a curve. Let’s keep it that way.

  71. UnKnown December 16th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Youk is the last guy I’m worried about this year. Well actually I’m a little worried about him staying healthy, BUT if he stays healthy he is going to rake and be really good for this team.

    YOUUUUUUUUK!! Will be echoing throughout YS this year.

  72. Ys Guy December 16th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    I’ve been away for a coupla days, how’s thing on the ‘wailing blog.’

  73. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Please refrain from the political/religious ranting and raving regardless of which side you reside.

    There are thousands of venues within the blogosphere for that kind of discussion. This isn’t one of them.

    This place is controversial enough focusing on the 2013 Yankees and beyond.

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Primo,

    :D

    Good morning, my friend. Very difficult to get one’s head around. The impact on people everywhere is palpable. The whole world is in mourning.

  75. 86w183 December 16th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Seeing how important it is that the Yanks get a LOT of help from within the organization in 2014 Scranton should be loaded with the best players in the system.

    They really need to challenge the kids, especially the OF and C prospects.

  76. mick December 16th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    mick December 16th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    To break the OS discourse down to one question, this would be it:

    If we have abandoned the win at any cost philosophy, which didn’t always work btw, have we changed the identity of the Yankees ?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Sorry to have sparked this discussion with my post.

  77. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Thing with Youk is we are repeating our m.o. of last year, by again getting players who are prone to injury. Then we have our old starters backed by creaky backups who too can’t stay on the field. I do not want to see an Ibanez type forced into regular duty, b/c of injury to a regular. That is the risk you take when you have no youth on your bench. I still can’t believe that we haven’t learned from last year. However, if we are going to go this same route, may we be given health beyond all measure in 2013.

    Hi Luis! How are you and yours? Enjoying the Christmas season?

  78. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    GF,

    Agree. That was kind of the point. Wholly inappropriate.

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Stoneburner – you have to admit that these atrocities are happening with more and more frequency. I believe we as a society are way more out of control than was society in 1927. Sex and violence, previously relegated to cable television, are easily accessed on network television. And let’s face it, they give the public what they public wants. I don’t know what the answer is, but I know for sure there is a huge problem. Huge. And the more people are exposed to things, the less they are affected by it. It’s like you become immune to it, or maybe numb.

    I did not reference any God in particular. Bring them all back, whoever they are. But respect and morality and any kind of reflection upon those things has been slowly weeded out of our schools and has been replaced by whatever the trend happens to be. Kids can’t say the pledge of allegiance anymore (or they’re not supposed to from what I understand), because of the G word. Let’s face it. Kids learn things and become adults. Not all parents do a stellar job at teaching their kids respect and tolerance. In fact, a lot seem to do the opposite, if you take a look at the grown-up version of a lot of kids. Sometimes they only chance they have is at school.

    It’s out of control. So badly out of control.

    :(

  80. 86w183 December 16th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Any reaction to the report the Yanks talked with the Angels about Vernon Wells.

    Might be an interesting option for a RH bat in the OF. The Angels would have two choices if it was up to me. Give me $ 40 or the $ 42 M he has coming the next two years.

    OR keep half of your money and send Trumbo too.

  81. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    This is a place to discuss baseball but it is also a community. A lot of us have been here for a long time, many years in fact, and in the course of that time have had many discussions about lots of things that are not Yankee related. I didn’t really regard any of the posts, mine included, as political or religious “ranting or ravings” but rather an honest and heartfelt expression about what is happening in Connecticut and what it may indicate about the sickness in our society and in our world.

    Feel free to skip posts you don’t want to read. I do it all the time.

  82. mick December 16th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Feel free to skip posts you don’t want to read. I do it all the time.
    ===========================
    How do you know you don’t want to read it unless you have read it?

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    trisha,

    I read your post directed at me in retrospect last night and I do know how acutely you are feeling this, and that your niece is very dear to you.

    Just wanted to acknowledge that, which I intended to do, when I came in here this morning.

  84. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Hi Trish thanks for the kind words.

    I am very anti political-religous talk on this blog. But this tragedy hits hard.

    If someone wants to mention their particular god, so be it. If someone else wants to promote tolerance and diversity, so be it. If someone else asks that we stop talking about it because they want to escape, so be it.

    This is one of the moments that this community needs to be able to say what they want, without a rebuttal comment from those who disagree. Just my two cents.

  85. mick December 16th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    That is the risk you take when you have no youth on your bench.
    =====================================
    Our youth is down in the minors where they belong.
    If they were on the bench they would be robbed of playing time.
    Let them develop where they should be developed.

  86. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    J Al and Tar – thank you.

  87. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    mick – I guess the only answer to that is that if you start to read something and find that it annoys you are it’s something you choose not to read about, you just stop.

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Tar,

    I didn’t know about the teacher, Soto, until I read your post. (I am avoiding the news, frankly). I was both sorry and glad I read it, if that makes sense.

  89. mick December 16th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    trish-but by then you have gotten the gist of it, so it’s too late.
    the only way is to just not read it once you see who has written it and assume it is their usual claptrap….i guess.
    that might eliminate at least 1/2 the posts posted but i kid…

  90. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    trisha,

    I’ve been here a long time too – just as long as you or any Lohud regular.

    But “honest and heartfelt expression” when involving political or religious issues is extremely inappropriate in this venue.

    I was never a fan of Pete Abe but he would delete posts and even ban those who insisted on discussing such issues and he was right in doing so.

    It is true that LoHud is a community and many topics that have nothing to do with the Yanks, baseball, or even sports. But discussing what you made for dinner last night or detailing your family vacation are not controversial issues and are not fair comparisons to religious and/or political expression on a sports/baseball blog. It’s apples and horse shoes.

    We can’t even solve the 2013 Yankees’ issues in this venue so trying to solve complex societal issues simply leads to nowhere and pollutes the LoHud atmosphere.

    And that’s not fair to the rest of us.

  91. luis December 16th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    YF,

    December is one of my more hectic months. Lot’s of work and a big family as well, so very little time to pause. Looking forward to Christmass though ;)

    Good post RE: Youth vs Vets. I guess we will have to wait for 2014 when they will be forced to rely on youth.

    Trisha,

    I do understand where you are coming from, I have kids, and I don’t want to even think about losing one of them, it’s just not natural. This was a terrible tragedy.

    Primo,

    In deed.

    Tar,

    Good post…Good to se you by the way.

  92. luis December 16th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Mick,

    That is a complex question…I would say yes, the problem lies in my view in that even if they have shifted from the ” win at all costs” mentality, their MO hasn’t. They say they want to rely more heavily on the farm, but in the end they go and get some vets ( even though some players down in the farm would give them close to the same production ), because they don’t trust their young. And it seems that everything others have is better than what they have ( Very Oscar Wilde like ).

    2014 will force them to rely on them though. But so far, I find this current team very boring to watch. It is early, and this may change, but that’s how I feel.

  93. luis December 16th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    MTU,

    I read your post. And we agree on ” keep the best, trade the rest”. The problem for me is that I don’t trust the FO to do just this. I still have nightmares of watching Ajax roaming CF in the ALCS and hitting the ball with authority at the plate, while our own CF misplayed a few balls and could hardly see a meatball down the middle of the plate, just to give you an example. Still, the theory of keeping the best and trading the others for pieces to help the club is sound.

  94. mick December 16th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    luis
    nice to see you here again and thanks for being the only one who picked up on my gist of trying to change the subject …

  95. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    luis,

    The problem with “keep the best, trade the rest” is an obvious one, though: your trade partner likely isn’t interested in “the rest.” If you’re getting anything back worth anything, something from “the best” category is going.

  96. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    It is not about forcing your youth up to the bigs early, but about planning well with your youth, not trading it away for short fixes, and making deals/signing players/IFA’s to make sure you don’t put yourself in an untenable situation with old players at every position. Again, the Yanks have not planned well in this regard. But that being said, we have a load of talent on the farm, so I am looking forward to the day that we see some of these kids on the big club.

  97. mick December 16th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    They say they want to rely more heavily on the farm, but in the end they go and get some vets ( even though some players down in the farm would give them close to the same production ), because they don’t trust their young.
    =====================================
    I think you may be isolating the Montero deal as the rule.
    What they have down on the farm looks like a good crop yet faraway.
    To say they will not trust them in the future, they may have no other choice, remains to be seen.

  98. Mike_Boston December 16th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Just pointing out these mass shootings have not been increaseing as stated prior: boston.com/art/35/news/local/connecticut/2012/12/15/rise-mass-killings-but-their-impact-huge/IVUT7d86PeIScADMGpkSXK/story

  99. luis December 16th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Mick,

    I know ;) By the way, it was a very polite and intelligent way to do so. Kudos

  100. mick December 16th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    I know ;) By the way, it was a very polite and intelligent way to do so. Kudos
    ========================
    luis, what else would you expect from me? ;)

  101. jacksquat December 16th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    The Angels are continuing their search for starting pitching and are considering filling the void with mid-level free agent pitchers rather than make trades, according to Jim Bowden of ESPN.com (via Twitter).
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#euuB4yeRO6P7cGzH.99

  102. mick December 16th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    By the way, it was a very polite and intelligent way to do so.
    =================================
    may be that’s why nobody picked up on it…

  103. luis December 16th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
    luis,

    The problem with “keep the best, trade the rest” is an obvious one, though: your trade partner likely isn’t interested in “the rest.” If you’re getting anything back worth anything, something from “the best” category is going.

    ===========================

    This is very true. But I think what MTU was talking about is that he would like to trade from excess. For instance, Heathcott or Williams could be traded for another piece. I don’t necessarily disagree on this premise, but I would like to keep the best out of those two. The problem is that I don’t trust the FO to make the right choice. Also, I think it is too early to know which one is the keeper, although I tend to lean toward Williams ( durability ). But as of right now, I would keep all my top prospects, we have a core to build.

  104. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    But you could also argue that keeping both Heathcott and Mason would be a good policy because they both can play a premium position, and their values might increase further as they rise in the system. Then you have a better sense of who each of them are as ballplayers. And you may decide that you want to keep both. Maybe one of them keeps developing pop, and can play at a corner. That would be a heckuva outfield with Austin in RF, but depends on your evaluations and obviously on who another team is dangling.

  105. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    This is very true. But I think what MTU was talking about is that he would like to trade from excess. For instance, Heathcott or Williams could be traded for another piece. I don’t necessarily disagree on this premise, but I would like to keep the best out of those two. The problem is that I don’t trust the FO to make the right choice. Also, I think it is too early to know which one is the keeper, although I tend to lean toward Williams ( durability ). But as of right now, I would keep all my top prospects, we have a core to build.
    ///

    primo, I don’t trust them, either, and there’s the rub.

    Yes, I have discussed with MTU his desire to deal from “elite” depth – I just don’t really want to trade either of those guys. I do have concerns, as you do, about Slade’s being able to stay healthy, because of the way he plays, but the odds are, if you trade him as a front-liner, depending on who you get, he’s still not going to be the only real good prospect in the trade, considering his distance from the majors. He may move fast, but he’s still not on the verge.

    I don’t trust the Yankees on two counts:

    1). To know which guys to keep
    2). To get something worth not keeping whoever they deal.

    So, I’m with you: I want to keep my blue chip guys.

  106. luis December 16th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    I think you may be isolating the Montero deal as the rule.

    =========================

    Not really, even though that’s the kind of move that fits the argument. I was thinking more in general terms, something along the lines of the Ajax trade, or getting the McGehe’s of the world, instead of going with the players down in the farm. Not getting a look at Mustelier or Dickerson, when they knew that they would be needing a replacement for Swisher. How long did it take for them to start Phelps instead of Garcia the vet?

    I was pointing out at a trend more than an specific move. And that trend won’t help them if they have shifted policy and no longer will throw money at mistakes anymore

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    YF, yep, both can play CF and move around the OF. That’s damned valuable.

    Tyler Austin, I’d give up for J-Up. But you’d not get away with not including one of HC/Mason or Sanchez in such a trade, I expect. Therefore, I’d rather not do it. The cost will be too high.

  108. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Not the greatest of starts for the Giants – but it is still early (something lost on this blog at times) – - – -

  109. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Yanks and their scouts found the prospects that they have – they have the right to do with them as they see fit – - – -

  110. Against All Odds December 16th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Yanks and their scouts found the prospects that they have – they have the right to do with them as they see fit – – – -

    ———————

    True but they have been preaching for yrs about the farm being a pipeline. The team didn’t have a ML AB from a rookie until what the end of September.

  111. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    it doesn’t bother me one bit for trisha to express her feeling here about things that aren’t baseball. it’s easy enough to respond. i think the discussion is healthy.

    baseball just isn’t that important sometimes. it is a game after all.

    baseball ,however, can lead the way sometimes with social issues like jackie robinson breaking into baseball.

    how great would it be for baseball with so many of it’s players passionate about hunting to come out and support a ban on assault rifles because it’s bad for america’s kids.

    that would be a way of leading rather than just following.

  112. luis December 16th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
    But you could also argue that keeping both Heathcott and Mason would be a good policy because they both can play a premium position, and their values might increase further as they rise in the system. Then you have a better sense of who each of them are as ballplayers. And you may decide that you want to keep both. Maybe one of them keeps developing pop, and can play at a corner. That would be a heckuva outfield with Austin in RF, but depends on your evaluations and obviously on who another team is dangling.

    ================================

    This and your other post was on point YF. This would be an ideal scenario. One thing is for sure, i want to keep all the blue chips and add to that pool. Whether we like it or not, we are in a transition/rebuilding process. We need more future, not past

  113. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    True but they have been preaching for yrs about the farm being a pipeline. The team didn’t have a ML AB from a rookie until what the end of September.

    ******

    3b and LF were the two possible openings on last years team – that is on the offensive of things – and that is because of injuries.

    Upcoming season will see catcher make that transition – and in 2014 probably an OF spot – - – -

    And I am fine with the pipeline – Phelps was integrated to the equation

  114. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Manning off to a rough start – - – -

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Odds,

    2008:

    10.58 K/9
    ERA .260
    FIP .265

    :(

  116. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Well this game is really not starting off well – Tynes with the missed FG – - – -

  117. Against All Odds December 16th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    And I am fine with the pipeline

    ——————————

    I’m not it’s no where near what they assumed it would be.

  118. Against All Odds December 16th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Odds,

    2008:

    10.58 K/9
    ERA .260
    FIP .265

    :(

    —————-

    We’re both big fans of the kid. Maybe he goes in FA and gets a shot with another team.

  119. Bronx Jeers December 16th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    how great would it be for baseball with so many of it’s players passionate about hunting to come out and support a ban on assault rifles because it’s bad for america’s kids.

    —————

    Tell that to Longoria.

  120. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Some believe the Yankees are quietly interested in free agent outfielder Michael Bourn and will pounce if the price comes down. Bourn would give the Bombers the leadoff hitter they have wanted for some time. Meanwhile, the Rangers remain a possibility.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#ZYbysj8eUxZFD760.99

  121. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    “I was both sorry and glad I read it, if that makes sense.”

    Makes perfect sense J AL. I am actually thankful for all the baseball talk. Ive been avoiding the news myself.

    I debated posting it, but I felt Victoria Soto deserved to be recognized here both as a hero ( not only for actions– really just being a teacher she’s one in my eyes) but also as someone who thought enough of her Yankee fandom to put it in her teacher biography. Thanks Victoria.

    Luis it’s great to see you here as well.

  122. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    “Tell that to Longoria.”

    what did longoria do or say?

    i saw that the bush kid from the rays got three years for a dui and leaving the scene of an accident.

    alcohol abuse is another issue for baseball to get out in front of.

  123. luis December 16th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    One thing I’ll say…. You don’t need assault rifles to hunt, and it wouldn’t be fun either (The prize would not have a chance to escape)… But if you asked me, I think this horrible things that are happening, have more to do with lack of parental guidance and lack of some kind of moral compass. Guns have been part of life since the dawn of times, it’s not the gun that its at fault here, but the man that wields it.

  124. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    Here’s the problem, Randy.

    The TOS doesn’t allow for political or religious discussion. So half-discussed is half-assed. My sense is trisha’s views are more tolerated here than mine would be, so she gets to sound off, but if I object, people come down on me and invoke the TOS. (no offense trisha, just stating it as I see it). When that happens, then the moderators get involved, and lo, one view was allowed free reign, and the objection to it is muzzled off the blog.

    So, I really am not allowed to express how completely heinous I believe institutionalized religion to really be, and I do.

    Ordinarily, I wouldn’t even bring it up. But listening to someone laud it as the antidote to save the world, when I consider it to be actually dangerous on certain levels,… I have to speak out.

    The majority in here is tolerant and even sympathetic with conservative to extreme right views. If someone disagrees or objects with those views, here come all the “don’t discuss politics here” stuff.

    So, I do think, under the weighted circumstances, it’s best to put a stopper in this.

    It’s clear to me that only CERTAIN kinds of politics and religious viewpoints are tolerated on Lohud.

  125. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Just as long as you realize that a lot of people look at some of your solutions as being part of the problem as well.
    ///

    Ghost,

    Sorry to cut in, here. But what solution did Randy propose that could be viewed as “part of the problem”?

    Tolerance for diverse viewpoints and respect for diversity?
    J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    ghostwriter-

    absolutely.

    goes without saying.
    ///

    I must say, I’m at a loss. When “tolerance” and “respect” are inappropriate, the whole thing is going to hell in a handbag.
    =======================================

    Pruf,

    Frankly, I’m not inclined to delve deeply into this kind of topic here, because it isn’t the appropriate forum for it. However, since you seem genuinely bewildered that somebody might have a legitimate opposing point of view on this subject, I’ll flesh out my two primary objections to Randy’s post, even though I really can’t do the subject justice in this forum.

    First, on religion, Randy remarked, “keep religion out of it [civil society], yet encourage religious freedom.” These two sentiments seem to be fundamentally at odds with each other. Moreover, I wholeheartedly support religious tolerance, and I fail to see how a call to keep religion out of civil society is tolerant. Presumably, this means that people should be free to worship as they please, as long as they keep it out of sight, and do not share their views in the public square (or seek to influence public policy). This strikes me as a very hollow form of “freedom”. Indeed, I think that it’s anathema to freedom. And while I have my reservations about the intrinsic value of “diversity” when it comes to religion, I noticed a striking lack of curiosity about how religion informs Trish’s views among the folks who lauded religious diversity. This makes me wonder how much these folks actually value religious diversity beyond the abstract.

    Second, on gun control. I grow increasingly weary of hearing people use tragedies like this latest rampage to advance their preexisting political and ideological agendas–it’s divisive and counterproductive, however well-intentioned it may be. I’m sure that Randy has the best of intentions, but I question the merit of knee-jerk passage legislation in response to tragedies. Lanza was in violation of a dozen, or so, state and federal gun laws when he went on his rampage, and it isn’t at all clear that another gun law would have prevented this tragedy. Any consideration of this issue has to start with the fact that Lanza was either demented or evil, and if the guns weren’t available to him, then he could have used a U-Haul truck full of fertilizer, or some other implement. Twenty children are dead. And these kinds of incidents are occurring with alarming frequency. We need to do better than some feelgood knee-jerk gun law to protect ourselves and our families from people like Lanza. I don’t know the answer, but I’m pretty sure that more gun laws aren’t part of the solution, let alone the first step. Maybe we should check our per-conceived notions at the door before we craft a solution to this issue…

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Odds, I WANT JOBA FOR US!

    btw: that’s 2.60 and 2.65 respectively, obviously.

    Otherwise, it’d be even more unforgivable!

  127. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    So Yanks quietly interested in Michael Bourn – - – -

  128. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Gang – I really think that Tar said it best and beautifully. This is just a time for people to say what they are feeling, whatever it is. I guess we’re all trying to grapple with the enormity of it, and whether our way is to come to the Yankee forum and share it with our friends here or come to the Yankee forum as a way to escape it, I respect it all. I respect every comment that has been made here. We’re all trying to do our best.

    I did use an “OT” near my first comment but then it generated discussion and so here we are.

    Thanks for understanding/indulging my need to spill here. I feel an extreme bond with many of you and so come to you as sounding boards from time to time. I don’t mean to make it uncomfortable for others and so will always try to remember to direct my posts, the way I did to Al last night, or to use the OT. When it’s baseball, well then it’s fair game all around.

    randy – thank you.

  129. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Ghost,

    Thanks for your response. I’m not going to get into this here. I have a lot to say on the subject, but I’m not going to do it.

    I thank you for your response.

  130. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    “But if you asked me, I think this horrible things that are happening, have more to do with lack of parental guidance and lack of some kind of moral compass.”

    luis, I couldn’t agree with you more.

  131. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Ghost,

    Thanks for your response. I’m not going to get into this here. I have a lot to say on the subject, but I’m not going to do it.

    I thank you for your response.
    ===========================

    Fair enough. I’m not in the mood to get into it either! :)

  132. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    trisha,

    Well said. At the pure heart level, we meet and harmonize.

  133. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Ghost,

    Me neither :D.

  134. DYD INDA WUL December 16th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    luis December 16th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    One thing I’ll say…. You don’t need assault rifles to hunt, and it wouldn’t be fun either (The prize would not have a chance to escape)… But if you asked me, I think this horrible things that are happening, have more to do with lack of parental guidance and lack of some kind of moral compass. Guns have been part of life since the dawn of times, it’s not the gun that its at fault here, but the man that wields it.
    ________________________________________________

    Bien dicho, Luis. Es tal cual.

  135. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    @J_TorresMesiasE @LoHudYankees This world needs more writers like Chad Jennings. He doesn’t created any unwanted hysteria like others.

  136. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    J Al – I’ve always known that.

    :)

  137. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    J Al – I’ve always known that.
    ///

    Always ;)

  138. jacksquat December 16th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
    Some believe the Yankees are quietly interested in free agent outfielder Michael Bourn and will pounce if the price comes down. Bourn would give the Bombers the leadoff hitter they have wanted for some time. Meanwhile, the Rangers remain a possibility.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#ZYbysj8eUxZFD760.99

    Just something made up from nothing by a Boston Globe reporter (Nick Cafardo). Bourn doesn’t fit the budget and they already have a much cheaper version.

  139. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    :)

  140. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Just something made up from nothing

    *****

    Kind of like the amateur scouting reports on the lohud – - – -

  141. luis December 16th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Hola DYD! Muchas gracias, es solo mi opinion.

  142. luis December 16th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    luis, I couldn’t agree with you more.

    ==============================

    I am glad we can finally agree on something! ;)

  143. DYD INDA WUL December 16th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Hola, Luis. Es una opinion veridica.

  144. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    By the way, as a wrap: I do not equate what I refer to as “institutionalized religion” with Creator Source, “God”, the All Compassionate, or That Which Thought the Universe Into Being.

    Whatever your religion calls that, my lack of one acknowledges that Source (The All That Is).

  145. luis December 16th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Got to go guys…Anyway, it’s good to see so many old timers back around. Enjoy the rest of the day guys.

  146. mick December 16th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    My sense is trisha’s views are more tolerated here than mine would be, so she gets to sound off, but if I object, people come down on me and invoke the TOS.
    ======================
    and why do you think is true?

  147. DYD INDA WUL December 16th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    You too, Luis!

  148. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Well I responded—- but before I hit submit I decided to see what was subsequently posted.

    And I can see you all worked it out without my help. :D Deleting now.

  149. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    “Kind of like the amateur scouting reports on the lohud –”

    Of which you are a major contributor.

  150. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    Um, think I explained that in the post you’re quoting from. Lohud is, for the most part, a conservative group politically and otherwise.

  151. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Ghost,

    Me neither :D .
    ====================

    Heh. I was loathe to respond to your first post, because I thought that I might be getting myself into a nasty argument. I appreciate your restraint! You remain among my favorite posters on this forum :D

  152. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    “Kind of like the amateur scouting reports on the lohud –”

    Of which you are a major contributor.

    ******

    At least I know I am full of ^&^ – - – -

  153. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    Have a good one, primo!

  154. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Aw, thanks, Ghost. I’ve always enjoyed your presence here, too.

    In fact, I wondered, where the hell did he go? :D

  155. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    “At least I know I am full of ^&^ –”

    :D

  156. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Tar December 16th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
    “At least I know I am full of ^&^ –”

    *****

    I have been meaning to ask you – are you the same Tar who asks Lost some questions on twitter???

  157. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Stone

    No…. I’m twitter deficient. I barely understand most tweets.

  158. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    I barely understand most tweets.

    *****

    Same here – especially Lost – who keeps hinting there is a trade coming – - – -

  159. mick December 16th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Lohud is, for the most part, a conservative group politically ==========================
    How can you make a statement like that? What proof is there?

  160. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Tar,

    I’m glad you decided to talk about her. She lived, and her life here meant a lot to the people she touched. Without getting religious ;), I know that she is still living, and I don’t mean that as a metaphor. She isn’t done helping those children.

  161. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    I come and I go, Pruf. And thanks, I appreciate the sentiment…

  162. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    I come and I go, Pruf. And thanks, I appreciate the sentiment…

    ….

    poof! Like a ghost….writer ;)

  163. jacksquat December 16th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
    I barely understand most tweets.

    *****

    Same here – especially Lost – who keeps hinting there is a trade coming – – – -

    Like a broken watch, eventually he’ll be right.

  164. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    “I barely understand most tweets.
    *****
    Same here – especially Lost – who keeps hinting there is a trade coming – – – -”

    Good to know I’m not the only one who struggles to get the twit ( or is it tweet :D ) language. Lost is not exactly going on a limb there is he.

    J Alfred

    Nice thought- put a smile on my face. Thanks

  165. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    .15 seconds left in the half and Flako thrown a 98 yard TD interception.

    How are the Giants doing, they clawing back yet?

  166. mick December 16th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    It seems that righty or lefty, there is room for both on the Yankees and LoHud…

  167. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    ghostwriter-

    do people here on the blog really not have some idea of each other’s political views?

    gb7 and i were at opposite ends of the spectrum politically and it did not matter one bit. we liked each other despite the differences. the differences were part of the humor.

    in other cases however i have no doubt that sometimes the baseball opposition i get on the blog is really someone not liking the progressive in me. i’m no doubt free spirited and always will be. i’m more libertarian than anything. this does rub some people the wrong way.

    i first ran into politics intruding on baseball when my american legion coach after my senior year of high school in 1967 wouldn’t play me because i had long hair and was kind of looking like one of those “hippies”. the fact i was co captain on my high school team mattered little to this j edgar hoover/richard nixon worshipper. he wouldn’t release me to play for another legion team either. he finally kicked me off the team.

    i didn’t pick up a baseball for about a dozen years, but more than once, as i got back into the game, i thought of this right wing a hole. i got back in the game and took care of unfinished business i had with the game over the next ten years or so.

    but that right wing nut and anyone else like him can kiss my ass. baseball has always had a conservative streak and while baseball did integrate with jackie robinson, they did take their sweet time time doing it .bigotry unfortunately goes along with this conservative nature a and that’s a side story.

    as far as assault weapons go, i believe the NRA and anyone who advocates them being legal is partly responsible when these weapons are used in these tragedies.

    there s no knee jerk reaction from me. i’ve felt this way since assault weapons have come on the scene. i grew up as a kid looking at 20 or more rifles and shotguns in the family gun case so guns are not something unfamiliar to me.

    this is a complex issue, and i do believe that thoughtful civil discussion is the way to move forward.
    you, trisha, and i all agree that something needs to be done to prevent future tragedies like the newtown one. that’s a starting point right.

    agreement has to start somewhere.

    simply going to extreme positions and agreeing on nothing seems a rather foolish way to proceed.

    we don’t have to agree on everything, but surely we agree something has to be done with these school shootings.

  168. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Tar,

    You bet. It’s the truth.

    Nice to see everybody getting along in here ( even Randy and trish :) ).

    On that note of mutual tolerance and community spirit, I bid you all adieu.

    Going to try myself to go find the “sun” in Sunday. Good one, folks.

  169. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    mick December 16th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    It seems that righty or lefty, there is room for both on the Yankees and LoHud…
    ///

    Hey, the Yanks specialize in platoons these days ;)

    Later, folks.

  170. Against All Odds December 16th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Odds, I WANT JOBA FOR US!

    btw: that’s 2.60 and 2.65 respectively, obviously.

    Otherwise, it’d be even more unforgivable!

    ———————–

    He’s never going to get a chance here though.

  171. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Luis-

    Thank you for responding to my earlier post. You reflected my POV accurately.

    My response to your concern is that it is essential that the Yankees be able to self scout.

    They cannot possibly keep all of their prospects nor should they IMO.

    Mistakes have been made and will continue to be made but they cannot allow themselves to be paralyzed by them.

    They must find out what was wrong or is need of correction, and having identified those things, proceed.

    I do understand your lack of trust but I think we just have to do better.

    If those who are doing the evaluating need to be replaced so be it.

    The process must continue IMO.

  172. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Assault weapon is a made up term. No one can buy automatic weapons easily, and to do so requires a couple of tax stamps and registration with the ATF. Most of the damage done was with two handguns, and handguns are never going to get banned despite being the biggest problem. They could curb these incidents by not broadcasting them 24/7 on the news, glorifying those that commit the crimes. We could also improve our health care system to give people who are sick support and treatment.

  173. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    “Most of the damage done was with two handguns, ”

    This is false.

    “Although he was carrying three weapons, he used only one of them in all of the school killings — a Bushmaster .223-caliber assault-style rifle similar to the one used by the snipers who terrorized the Washington, D.C., area in 2002.”

    “They could curb these incidents by not broadcasting them 24/7 on the news, glorifying those that commit the crimes.”

    I think this is a good idea

  174. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Mick-

    “To break the OS discourse down to one question, this would be it:

    If we have abandoned the win at any cost philosophy, which didn’t always work btw, have we changed the identity of the Yankees ?”

    No. They can still win championships. They will just do so using a different approach than buying up every FA in sight, and ruining good young ballplayers by bringing them to the bigs before they are fully ready.

    I never liked the “all hands on deck mentality”. Thought it was very shortsighted and wasteful.

    :)

  175. austinmac December 16th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    I see no basis for Bourne talk. The Yankees already will have two similar players already. Unless, of course, it is all part of a grand scheme involving a trade.

  176. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    My bad I did not read whatever new article came from the medical examiner, the point does stand about handguns. A semi-auto long gun is not the main contributor to most gun violence.

  177. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    I see no basis for Bourne talk. The Yankees already will have two similar players already. Unless, of course, it is all part of a grand scheme involving a trade.

    Trade Granderson, go with a MB BG IS outfield? :)

  178. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    JF-

    Who are you getting back for Granderson ?

  179. mick December 16th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    in other cases however i have no doubt that sometimes the baseball opposition i get on the blog is really someone not liking the progressive in me. i’m no doubt free spirited and always will be. i’m more libertarian than anything. this does rub some people the wrong way.
    ======================================
    why do you put labels on yourself and assume others here are not as free spirited or progressive as you?
    i think you happen to be wrong. altho you happen to be right that you can rub people the wrong way, just not for the reasons you espouse.

  180. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Who are you getting back for Granderson ?

    No one in that joke scenario, but I’d like to trade Granderson for a top 100 position player who can play a pos of need for the Yankees. I like Olt, or Wilmer Flores as Jacksquat suggested.

  181. jacksquat December 16th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Tar December 16th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    “Most of the damage done was with two handguns, ”

    This is false.

    “Although he was carrying three weapons, he used only one of them in all of the school killings — a Bushmaster .223-caliber assault-style rifle similar to the one used by the snipers who terrorized the Washington, D.C., area in 2002.”

    “Assault-style” only because it physically resembles military rifles. The difference being of course, the Bushmaster is semi-auto, no full auto. And since all the shooting was done at close range, it could have just as easily, or more easily actually, been done with semi-auto handguns.

  182. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    JF-

    Thank you for your response.

    I don’t think we do buisness with the Rangers. Nor them with us.

    Perhaps that will change.

  183. donnyb23 December 16th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    I find it truly odd that I’ve not seen a single mention of the fact that Youkilis’s value as a first baseman could be extremely high for the Yankees.

    Before Youkilis was signed, the Yankees literally had not a single major league backup for Text at first. Swisher and Chavez are both gone, and they weren’t even all that solid at first. Meanwhile, both Nix and Nunez can play credible third base.

    I think Youk’s biggest value may come as someone who can give us a very solid first baseman backup option if Tex suffers the same types of injuries, especially the second half of the season, as he did last year. Especially so if Rodriguez is back and healthy and Tex needs a day off or has to rest for several days due to an injury.

  184. jacksquat December 16th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
    Who are you getting back for Granderson ?

    No one in that joke scenario, but I’d like to trade Granderson for a top 100 position player who can play a pos of need for the Yankees. I like Olt, or Wilmer Flores as Jacksquat suggested.

    I suggested a straight minor league trade for Flores, like Tyler Austin for Flores, not Granderson. That should work since the Mets no longer need a 3B (or 1B), and are looking for OF help.

  185. mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    MTU-

    Adding key FA’s as needed will still be employed, maybe not in the near future, but after this LT dust clears.
    In the meantime it looks as if youth will have to be served.
    What’s shortsided are those who can’t see this coming.
    What’s stupid is that those who want this to happen use Montero as their poster boy for not trusting the FO.
    Melky,IPK and Ajax do not fit this equation either.
    It simply won’t happen as they will not pay for the talent their youth might bring.
    Case closed.

  186. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Squat-

    I like the idea of MiLB for MiLB swaps.

    Have advocated them in the past.

    Teams rarely seem to do them though.

    Don’t quite understand why.

    ;)

  187. mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    I like the idea of MiLB for MiLB swaps.

    Have advocated them in the past.

    Teams rarely seem to do them though.

    Don’t quite understand why.
    ====================
    Might be that most feel they are dealing away an unknown for a known when they go for proven MLB talent.

  188. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Mick-

    As I stated before. Whether mistakes were made or not the process must continue so I agree.

    You’ve seen me say it (I think).

    Trading is the way forward. Most prospects are designated as trade pieces.

    Only a very, very few as keepers.

    And I also agree that money will flow again in 2015 and beyond.

    It just may not be Young Stein who is the one doing it.

    That remains to be seen.

  189. austinmac December 16th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Donnyb,

    Good point about Youkilis and 1B, and no, I can’t recall seeing it said elsewhere. You get bonus points redeemable as the fantasy GM shop.

  190. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    There is no one who can drive the Glory of the Yankees asunder forever.

    Even if someone manages to do so tempoaraily thru greed or incompetence they will always rise from the ashes like a beautiful Phoenix because they are the Yankees.

    Of that I am certain.

    ;)

  191. mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    MTU
    While I see your point about trading, I raise you on this one:
    Trades are few and far between these days with the Yanks.
    They are not dealing away their chips that they seem to value more than Montero, IPK,Melky and Ajax. These were isolated instances not based on a crop like we have now.

    While I agree that trading, in general, is usually best when you need a missing piece, I don’t think this will become their M.O.

    After all,who saw the crop of Jeter, Bernie, Posada, Andy and Mo on the horizon?

  192. mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    There is no one who can drive the Glory of the Yankees asunder forever.
    ====================
    We have seen them rise from the dead more than once and they are far from dead as of now…

  193. blake December 16th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Bourn is basically the same thing as Gardner…..so that rumor makes no sense unless they are planning to deal either Gardner or Granderson…..and even then it would have made a lot more sense to sign Hamilton

  194. mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Youk was hired as a BU1B as well as starting 3B. This was part of his inherent value.
    Problem is if Tex goes down they will need to replace Youk at 3rd and Nunez or Nix won’t cut it as an everyday 3B.
    Of course then Youk is no longer the BU1B but the starting 1B.

  195. blake December 16th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    Bourn is a good player….but for the money he doesn’t make a lot of sense unless Boras is starting to think about a pillow contract for a year because his market has shrunken …..

    Now If they could sign Bourn for a year and trade Granderson then that’d be good

  196. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    “Assault-style” only because it physically resembles military rifles. The difference being of course, the Bushmaster is semi-auto, no full auto. And since all the shooting was done at close range, it could have just as easily, or more easily actually, been done with semi-auto handguns.”

    Wrong not just because it ‘resembles a military rifle. The AR-15 is a “civilian” version of the M16. Stock it comes with a 10 round mag, but you can easily purchase 100 round mags. Even stock you can shoot over 100 rounds a minute with multiple mags The .223 caliber is basically the same round used by the military. It’s designed to bounce around inside the body. It certainly was not a hunting rifle. And he didn’t use his handguns because he had no need to, that rifle was deadly enough.

    I’m not sure what the answer is, probably a combination of things. But less guns whose main purpose is to kill PEOPLE couldn’t hurt.

  197. mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Why not just ban all guns?
    Are they really necessary?
    Is the hunting lobby that strong that their needs to kill animals is worth them falling into the hands of those that need to kill people?

  198. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
    ====================

    Randy,

    As I said earlier, I’m not interested in delving into this subject. However, I find your brand of libertarianism in which the knee-jerk reaction is to constrain individual liberty–and yours is in fact a knee-jerk reaction given that your position seems to be independent of the actual facts of this particular case.

    Moreover, you’ll forgive me if I’m unwilling to accept counsel on civility or civil discourse from somebody who suggests that their political opponents are somehow culpable or complicit in the crimes of a disturbed individual. I absolutely reject that formulation, and I suggest that you take a good hard look at your own level of tolerance and civility, because I for one find it lacking, to say the least.

  199. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Mick-

    The odds of the Yankees ever producing a group like that are about the same as being struck by lightning IMO.

    Perhaps 1 or 2 at most, and while that would be extremely valuable I again believe that the way to maximize what you have is thru excellent self-scouting.

    The Yankees simply have to be the best at that particular aspect. It has been and always will be an essential baseball process.

    They cannot allow themselves to become paralyzed by mistakes of the past.

    I believe many prospects are selected for their future trade value as well as their likely contribution to the parent club. I learned that from SJ. I believe he understood the inner workings very, very well.

    The Yankees have probably already decided who is fungible and who might be keepers.

    My guess is that the latter list is extremely small.

    So, in summary, I do not believe the Yankees will try to keep all of Williams, Austin, Flores, and Heathcott.

    I fully expect 1 or 2 of them to be moved. Which ones only they know.

  200. mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Perhaps 1 or 2 at most, and while that would be extremely valuable I again believe that the way to maximize what you have is thru excellent self-scouting.
    =====================================
    This was a quality they never needed as they just bought what they needed sans patience.
    Hal seems to be the obstacle to that way of thinking and a new process is being sought.
    No doubt he will have to go outside the system again but seems to be thinking of developing youth at this point.
    Occasional trades and reasonable FA pickups might still happen but not as a staple.

  201. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Wrong not just because it ‘resembles a military rifle. The AR-15 is a “civilian” version of the M16. Stock it comes with a 10 round mag, but you can easily purchase 100 round mags. Even stock you can shoot over 100 rounds a minute with multiple mags The .223 caliber is basically the same round used by the military. It’s designed to bounce around inside the body. It certainly was not a hunting rifle. And he didn’t use his handguns because he had no need to, that rifle was deadly enough.

    .223 is a hunting round, Tar, at its basic element the bushmaster is a hunting rifle. The assault weapon ban was stupid, and targeted cosmetic accessories. The military’s sniper rifles are built off of hunting rifles. Long arms are not the problem, and another knee-jerk AWB is just going to have manufacturers skirting around the regulations.

    Hand guns are a much bigger problem than long guns, which are less concealable, just as deadly, and less expensive to acquire. I can shoot 100 rounds from my CZ-75 in a minute if I wanted to.

  202. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Why not just ban all guns?
    Are they really necessary?
    Is the hunting lobby that strong that their needs to kill animals is worth them falling into the hands of those that need to kill people?
    ==================

    For starters, there’s that pesky thing called the Second Amendment. Second, there is the practical difficulties associated with collecting in excess of over 200 million guns in this country. Finally, there is also the questionable desirablity y of disarming the law-abiding citizens.

  203. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Besides being a Boras client, this AJC article lists one of the main reasons the Braves had no desire to resign Michael Bourn. He had an abysmal 2nd half of this past season.

    “In 208 games with the Braves, Bourn has hit .275 with 57 extra-base hits (10 homers), 126 runs, 75 RBIs and 64 stolen base in 84 attempts, with a .341 on-base percentage that’s modest by leadoff standards, and more than twice as many strikeouts (205) as walks (85) in 851 at-bats.

    He had the best half-season of his career in 2012, hitting .311 with 30 extra-base hits and a .366 on-base percentage in 85 games before the All-Star break. At that point, many Braves fans and media members expressed an opinion that the team should re-sign him at almost any cost.

    But that was before Bourn’s production slipped dramatically after the break, when he hit .225 with 15 extra-base hits and a .325 OBP in 70 games, including a .195 average with 36 strikeouts in his last 34 games. After leading the NL in steals for three seasons, including 61 steals in 2009 and again in 2011, Bourn had 42 steals in 2012 and was caught 13 times, second-most in his career.”

    http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-b.....-to-bourn/

  204. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    The Yankees interest in Bourn has to be Boras conjured. I question the Organization’s brain if it is like ‘Wow we need to spend lots of money on the leadoff hitter we never had!’ *brett gardner goes and cries in a corner*

  205. mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    Appeal the 2nd amendment. Other countries don’t have that amendment and their murder rate is much lower than ours. Limit it somehow is what I’m saying. Seems like a no brainer in lieu of what’s happening in this country.

  206. mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Finally, there is also the questionable desirablity y of disarming the law-abiding citizens.
    ========================
    If the fear of gun related crimes were lessened so would the need to carry arms to defend yourself be.

    Wait til the next lunatic opens fire in a theatre and 100 or so people start shooting back. How would that work out? Innocents killed again?

  207. mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    I can shoot 100 rounds from my CZ-75 in a minute if I wanted to.
    ==============================
    Why would you want to?

  208. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    Appeal the 2nd amendment. Other countries don’t have that amendment and their murder rate is much lower than ours. Limit it somehow is what I’m saying. Seems like a no brainer in lieu of what’s happening in this country.
    ==============

    It already has plenty of limits. The problem with no-brainers is that they usually aren’t well considered.

  209. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    “.223 is a hunting round, Tar, at its basic element the bushmaster is a hunting rifle.”

    Jerk

    I’m not a hunter but I do know a lot of people who do hunt. Not one of them would go hunting with that rifle. That is not a hunting rifle.

    As for the ban being stupid, and skirting regulations I can’t say I disagree. Again not sure what the answer is there.

    But Ido like the idea of less press when it does happen.

  210. Patrick December 16th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    I mentioned on Friday that Bourn might be a possibility. His market gets smaller by the day, to the point that it’s possible he would sign a 1 year deal and try to cash in big next off season. Sign Bourn to a 1 year contract, trade Granderson for Olt (or something similar).

    The likelihood of this is very low but it could happen. If this rumor is not being made up by Boras then it probably was Cashman calling and saying “If he’s available on a 1 year deal let me know”

  211. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Why would you want to?

    I wouldn’t, just saying it is possible. Handguns are the biggest problem component of gun violence, and due to the supreme court & the NRA they are not going away anytime soon, so I suggest those who advocate against guns look at other ways to reduce gun violence. Automatic weapons are already banned from general consumption, assault weapon bans focus on cosmetic elements that would not reduce gun violence, and most of the crimes come from handguns which will never be banned.

  212. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    The Yankees have no interest in Michael Bourn. Also i wouldn’t take Vernon Wells even if he were free.

    The Falcons are on the verge of beating both of the Manning brothers. Certainly didn’t expect Eli Manning to have a 40.7 passing rating with 3 minutes to go against the Falcon’s porous secondary.

  213. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Mick-

    Understand the shift in focus for now but it is temporary. We both agree that the monetary flow will return at some point.

    When that happens the Yankees will return to their old ways of buying more of what they need.

    I disagree that trades should be infrequent. They should occur whenever a need cannot be met from within.

    There will always be excess in various area at various times. This should be used to best advantage.

    For me that means trading.

    Most prospects, no matter how talented, fail. They fall to injury (Heathcott ?) or failure to reach expectations.

    The Yankees would be very foolish IMo to try to hold all of them for that reason.

    They have to know when to hold ‘em. Know when to fold ‘em.

    Contrary to what many think that would be a waste of their resources IMO.

    We will never be the Rays or the Twins.

    Guess it gets down to how often we should trade ?

    You appear to say infrequently. I say whenever we have excess and a need.

  214. mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    The problem with no-brainers is that they usually aren’t well considered.
    =============================
    By whom?
    The gun lobby?

  215. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Finally, there is also the questionable desirablity y of disarming the law-abiding citizens.
    ========================
    If the fear of gun related crimes were lessened so would the need to carry arms to defend yourself be.

    Wait til the next lunatic opens fire in a theatre and 100 or so people start shooting back. How would that work out? Innocents killed again?
    ===============

    The fear of gun-related crimes has little to do with law-abiding people owing their own guns. And as for the lunatic that might shout up a movie theater, he might not be inclined to try it if he thought that somebody might fight back. I noticed that the shooter at the Batman theater went to a movie theater to enact his little massacre and not a police station.

  216. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    The problem with no-brainers is that they usually aren’t well considered.
    =============================
    By whom?
    The gun lobby?
    ==================

    No, usually by people who wish to enact bans without the full possession of the facts.

  217. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    Not one of them would go hunting with that rifle. That is not a hunting rifle.

    Well your anecdote is defeated by my anecdote, whereby my dad & his friends hunt with a russian SAIGA .223 rifle & a bushmaster. Hunting rifles are generally bolt action with a scope though some are semi-automatic, but the bushmaster can also have a scope and in the end has the same lethality as any hunting rifle does. Its not like being black and looking an M-16 add to its killing power.

  218. mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    I disagree that trades should be infrequent. They should occur whenever a need cannot be met from within.
    ============
    The problem with trades is that they are very hard to negotiate, what with salary constraints and matching needs.
    Esp when dealing with the Yanks, GM’s are looking to get taken to the cleaners or to take us there.
    Not saying we shouldn;t trade prospects when feasible but it sure looks like more of them will get their chance in the bigs until if and when Hal opens his wallet again.
    Then trade them if they’re worth more elsewhere .

  219. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    And as for the lunatic that might shout up a movie theater, he might not be inclined to try it if he thought that somebody might fight back

    This is stupid. Someone who is going somewhere to shoot people with suicide as the end result is not going to care if people he is attacking are armed. They don’t think rationally, so trying to use that kind of logic is faulty. America is already the most armed up country in the world, but that doesn’t deter shooters. And you want civilians to shoot back in a crowded, dark environment? Or in a school full of kids?

    Here is a good video for you to watch and consider when you talk about arming up the populace in response to gun violence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QjZY3WiO9s

  220. mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    No, usually by people who wish to enact bans without the full possession of the facts.
    ===============
    What are the facts?

  221. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Tar December 16th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    “.223 is a hunting round, Tar, at its basic element the bushmaster is a hunting rifle.”

    Jerk

    I’m not a hunter but I do know a lot of people who do hunt. Not one of them would go hunting with that rifle. That is not a hunting rifle.

    As for the ban being stupid, and skirting regulations I can’t say I disagree. Again not sure what the answer is there.

    But Ido like the idea of less press when it does happen.
    ==================

    I tend to agree, I’m not sure about the less press idea. These kinds of crazies have been around for a long time; I wonder how much they are influenced by the popular culture. I think that it would be more useful to have more of a police presence around the schools. They don’t actually have to be in the schools, but if they drove around them more frequently during daylight hours, it likely would dissuade a potential assailant.

  222. mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    This is stupid. Someone who is going somewhere to shoot people with suicide as the end result is not going to care if people he is attacking are armed.
    ===================================
    No you are stupid. What about the innocent bystanders who aren’t armed in said theatre?
    Or don’t hunters care about them?

  223. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    No, usually by people who wish to enact bans without the full possession of the facts.
    ===============
    What are the facts?
    ======================

    I don’t know yet. I don’t know that anybody knows yet.

  224. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    The day before Newtown, a man in China killed 18 school children with a kitchen knife. It’s not an issue of what weapon was used. It’s about how can the deranged people who commit these horrors be stopped? A person who doesn’t care if he dies, and wants to inflict unthinkable carnage before he does, isn’t understandable to “normal” folks. A free society has no defense against him before he acts. I wish the kid’s mother had used one of her pistols to drill him first. She didn’t, she paid.

  225. mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    And you want civilians to shoot back in a crowded, dark environment? Or in a school full of kids?
    =========================
    you don’t get it do you?
    I do not want people armed.
    You do.

  226. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    “Well your anecdote is defeated by my anecdote, whereby my dad & his friends hunt with a russian SAIGA .223 rifle & a bushmaster.”

    They may go hunting with those rifles, but I bet when they actually shoot something that’s alive, it’s with a different rifle. It may be fun to shoot, but you can’t tell me it’s a serious hunting rifle.

    And I never questioned it’s “lethality”.

  227. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    I tend to agree, I’m not sure about the less press idea.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4

    Expert Psychiatrists have told the media to knock it off. Watch this insightful video to learn more.

  228. Against All Odds December 16th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    After all,who saw the crop of Jeter, Bernie, Posada, Andy and Mo on the horizon?

    ———————

    The chances of the Yankees or anyone for that matter producing a group like that is rare. Hell could the Yankees even build a group like this Pedoria, Youk, Papelbon and Lester with the new guys they have down there.

  229. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Mick-

    More ? Perhaps.

    A majority ? I do not think so.

    Take the example I gave earlier.

    Do you believe the Yankees intend to try to keep all 4 of those young OF’ers ?

    Because I don’t. Even if all 4 are good. Maybe moreso that way.

    I’d bet they already have a pretty good hunch about who they are wanting to keep.

    I’d go even further. I’d say THAT would be a waste of resources. Trying to keep too many.

    That is where the self-scouting comes in and why it is so important.

  230. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    They may go hunting with those rifles, but I bet when they actually shoot something that’s alive, it’s with a different rifle. It may be fun to shoot, but you can’t tell me it’s a serious hunting rifle.

    No they shoot things with those guns, because the end result is the same. What determines if a gun is serious or not?

  231. mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    They don’t actually have to be in the schools, but if they drove around them more frequently during daylight hours, it likely would dissuade a potential assailant.
    ==========================================
    Why not? Not enough cops to go around?
    Sure you can find rent-a-cops that would do it for a low pay scale if that’s the issue.

  232. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    “As I said earlier, I’m not interested in delving into this subject. However, I find your brand of libertarianism in which the knee-jerk reaction is to constrain individual liberty–and yours is in fact a knee-jerk reaction given that your position seems to be independent of the actual facts of this particular case.

    Moreover, you’ll forgive me if I’m unwilling to accept counsel on civility or civil discourse from somebody who suggests that their political opponents are somehow culpable or complicit in the crimes of a disturbed individual. I absolutely reject that formulation, and I suggest that you take a good hard look at your own level of tolerance and civility, because I for one find it lacking, to say the least.”

    ghostwriter-

    the problem i have with a discussion with you is that i don’t know who you are or where you’re coming from. as i said before gb7 and i were polar opposites on most things, but we both lay it right out there on who we are. that’s the first step in having some civil discourse. it helps to know who you’re talking to.

    i like this blog obviously or i wouldn’t come on here. but i don’t like discussing things with people who really aren’t talking baseball when they say they are talking baseball. i get the feeling with you that it would be quite difficult to actually have a baseball discussion with you because you don’t really let out where you’re really coming from.

    do that and maybe it’ll be a little easier communicating.

    as it is, surely you agree that something needs to be done to try to prevent any more kids getting shot in this way. i grew up being told to get under my desk and keep my head down when the nuclear bomb hit as a kintergarten kid, but i don’t think anyone was going around back then shooting up little kids like what happened in newtown.

    let’s forget political differences and just start the process to doing something that helps.
    doing nothing is just total BS.
    surely you agree on that.

    what would you do to take a step in the right direction?

  233. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Mick,

    I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or not, what do any of those replies have to do with what I was talking about? Did you even watch my video? I’m not arguing for arming people, I’m arguing against it.

  234. RadioKev December 16th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Good for the Mets if that Dickey trade goes through. Alderson knows what he’s doing.

  235. blake December 16th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    “Sign Bourn to a 1 year contract, trade Granderson for Olt (or something similar).”

    This would be super awesome

  236. mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    That is where the self-scouting comes in and why it is so important.
    ========================
    That is where the fall short as I said before, they never had to.
    Not saying to keep them all but looks like they will get more of a shot than ever before.
    Could be a good thing.

  237. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    “The day before Newtown, a man in China killed 18 school children with a kitchen knife. It’s not an issue of what weapon was used”

    On the contrary Tom, I don’t believe any of the 18 Chinese kids were killed, just wounded. It certainly matters what kind of weapon was used.

  238. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    And as for the lunatic that might shout up a movie theater, he might not be inclined to try it if he thought that somebody might fight back

    This is stupid. Someone who is going somewhere to shoot people with suicide as the end result is not going to care if people he is attacking are armed. They don’t think rationally, so trying to use that kind of logic is faulty. America is already the most armed up country in the world, but that doesn’t deter shooters. And you want civilians to shoot back in a crowded, dark environment? Or in a school full of kids?

    Here is a good video for you to watch and consider when you talk about arming up the populace in response to gun violence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QjZY3WiO9s
    ====================

    Being called stupid by you is something of a compliment. The people doing these rampages think rationally enough to arm themselves heavily before attempting their crimes. and they always seem to attack people that can’t fight back. They aren’t that irrational–crazy but not stupid.

    And I don’t want anybody firing a gun n a theater, but I fail to see the merit in the crazy guy being the only one with the gun once the bullets start flying.

  239. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Several kids are in critical condition, all were wounded, but none killed (yet). Vastly different than the almost guaranteed casualties of a shooting.

  240. blake December 16th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    As someone who owns lots of guns…..I don’t want my 2nd amendment rights messed with.

    That said….I would have zero problem with legislation that attempts to make it more difficult for guns to get in the hands of crazy people. I don’t necessarily know how you do that…..but it’s a problem in this country…..

  241. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Mick-

    Guess we’re fixing to find out about these things.

    :)

  242. mick December 16th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Mr Tom

    I get your point but would take my chances that less of those knife incidents would happen than gun incidents.
    The gun mentality is for lazy degenerates who care not for human life and it is expedient.
    You can get one in any kitchen drawer.
    I have never held a gun in my life.

  243. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    I tend to agree, I’m not sure about the less press idea.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4

    Expert Psychiatrists have told the media to knock it off. Watch this insightful video to learn more.
    ====================

    Expert psychiatrists? One common element with many of these crimes is that they often seem to be committed by some demented individual under some psychiatrist’s care. And I often wonder why they don’t see the incident coming, or why they seem so ineffective in forestalling it.

  244. RadioKev December 16th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Totally boycotting this talk, ugh.

    Anyways,

    blake December 16th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
    “Sign Bourn to a 1 year contract, trade Granderson for Olt (or something similar).”

    This would be super awesome
    ———-

    It would be. But do you actually think Texas would trade with New York? I think that could be the block. I think both organizations view the other as rivals.

  245. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    Tar,
    Initial reports said 23 wounded, a few said 18 dead. Which Chinese government statements do you trust?

  246. mick December 16th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    And I don’t want anybody firing a gun n a theater, but I fail to see the merit in the crazy guy being the only one with the gun once the bullets start flying.
    ========================
    so the next time youre at a movie and it happens don’t feel bad if you shoot back and kill someone. dont call my ideas stupid , if you don’t want to be called it back.

  247. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Tar,
    Initial reports said 23 wounded, a few said 18 dead. Which Chinese government statements do you trust?

    You misread, 18 kids were killed total in 2010 in China. There were also headlines that juxtaposed 22 wounded in china vs 18 dead in the CT shooting.

  248. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Here is another article for you to read, GW: http://www.timwise.org/2012/12.....uns-crowd/

    Note I didn’t call you stupid, I called the idea of arming more citizens in response to gun violence stupid :)

  249. blake December 16th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Padres and Edwin Jackson continue to negotiate towards 3- year deal according to Padres source

    A 3 year deal for EJax could be a bargain depending on the AAV

  250. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Afternoon Mister Tom.

    Happy Holidays to you and yours.

    :)

  251. blake December 16th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    As I said a few days ago….if they did trade Hughes then Jackson on a 3 year deal to replace him wouldn’t be the worst thing

  252. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    Edwin Jackson in Petco, probably a sound investment

  253. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    And to you, Mr. MTU!

  254. mick December 16th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    JF

    Might have it wrong.
    Looks like ghostwriter thinks you called him stupid and took it as a compliment.

  255. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Ghostwriter-

    I believe I am amply qualified to speak on that subject.

    So to answer to your question as to why this is not spotted earlier and more often I will simply say this : Because they are just not very good at it.

    And that is a true fact. Professing to know something and knowing it are indeed 2 very different things.

    Knowing exactly when and how a troubled Mind will break is not even close to being an exact Science unfortunately.

  256. mick December 16th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    As someone who owns lots of guns…..I don’t want my 2nd amendment rights messed with.
    =========================
    blake-
    wasn’t that meant to be for self defense?

  257. mick December 16th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    well on that pleasant note g’nite to all, time for bp meds…

  258. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Mr. mick, And for defending others, if need be.

  259. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    I don’t mean to trivialize the mental aspect to all this because it’s a serious component, but some of these incidents seem to be a copy cat mentality. The press makes them into these huge anti-heroes.

    In sports the media has learned not to film idiots running on the field. So as to not promote bad behavior.

    The press can figure out a way not to sensationalize this kind of coverage. They have to

  260. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    I try my very best to respect all people for as long as they’ll let me.

    Kindness and courtesy can go a long way. A simple “please” or “thank you” often works wonders.

    We definitely need more of it in this World IMO.

    :)

  261. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Along with more humility, humor, and love.

    :)

  262. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Tar,

    Did you watch the youtube I posted? It talks about how the media should react to these. Localized news can give more detail, but the national news should report them in the most mundane fashion possible, not reveal the identity of any shooters, and not spend 24/7 time talking about it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?f.....GWv4#t=99s

    This is just one step that can be undertaken, but the news is more interested in their own ratings than being helpful members of society.

  263. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    mick December 16th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    And I don’t want anybody firing a gun n a theater, but I fail to see the merit in the crazy guy being the only one with the gun once the bullets start flying.
    ========================
    so the next time youre at a movie and it happens don’t feel bad if you shoot back and kill someone. dont call my ideas stupid , if you don’t want to be called it back.
    =============

    I didn’t call you stupid, so I don’t know what you’re talking about. And as for the movie theater thing, let’s assume that you are right. Let’s suppose a maniac goes into a theater with an automatic weapon and opens fire. Let’s further suppose that an off-duty cop (or an ex-military), with a concealed carry permit is in the theater. He pulls his weapon, and fires back, stopping the assailant and minimizing the carnage. Would it be better in your view if the attack had been allowed to proceed unmolested, even if an innocent had been inadvertently struck by this armed movie goer? For my part, I would consider the death of the innocent tragic, but I would think about the lives that were saved.

  264. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    We’ve had CCW, off duty cops, and ex-military for decades, how many of these shootings have been stopped by them? Its fantasy. Did you watch the youtube where the CCW holders panicked, froze, or ended up shot anyways?

  265. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Hmm.. Interesting discussion today folks. I find the conversations around tolerance to be the most interesting.. I don’t personally believe in tolerance. Built in power structure to the language that’s so subtle yet so meaningful it’s rather scary.

  266. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    I’m also looking for Youk to have a good season, btw. I’ll be rooting for him just as much as the other, more attractive players on our team.

    My hope is he ends up tweaking something, has to DH and does well with the bat while Adams or Mustillier get time at 3B… is that a bad plan lol?

  267. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    This Cowboys game is already a wild one… is Ys around? Tough game today for the Gmen.

  268. blake December 16th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    “blake-
    wasn’t that meant to be for self defense?”

    Yes and for hunting and other non killing people things

  269. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Here is another article for you to read, GW: http://www.timwise.org/2012/12…..uns-crowd/

    Note I didn’t call you stupid, I called the idea of arming more citizens in response to gun violence stupid :)
    ==================================

    Stopped handing out the compliments, have you? :) /just kidding…

    I don’t find Wise’s argument at all persuasive.

  270. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    I’ll be making a trip down to the gun shop (or maybe the pawn shop) tomorrow, Wife wants a .380 ACP. My 1911 is too much for her. Also need some .222 and 20 gauge for my old over-under varmint Savage.

  271. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    “The day before Newtown, a man in China killed 18 school children with a kitchen knife. It’s not an issue of what weapon was used. It’s about how can the deranged people who commit these horrors be stopped?”

    is this what your talking about?
    it doesn’t back up any assertion that assault weapons aren’t a problem. if the chinese attacker had an assault weapon wouldn’t many of these kids died?

    BEIJING — A knife-wielding man injured 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes Friday, police said, the latest in a series of periodic rampage attacks at Chinese schools and kindergartens.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....-1.1220230

  272. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    MTU December 16th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Ghostwriter-

    I believe I am amply qualified to speak on that subject.

    So to answer to your question as to why this is not spotted earlier and more often I will simply say this : Because they are just not very good at it.

    And that is a true fact. Professing to know something and knowing it are indeed 2 very different things.

    Knowing exactly when and how a troubled Mind will break is not even close to being an exact Science unfortunately.
    ========

    Yes, I imagine that it must be hard to anticipate when somebody is going to snap. Still, I can’t help wondering if they couldn’t do more to head off trouble before it happens. (Mind you, I know next to nothing about psychology, and for all I know psychiatrists and psychologists do prevent a fair number of these incidents….)

    I can see censoring the assailant’s name and image from the initial news reports. Otherwise, I’m not wild about the idea of censoring these stories.

  273. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    ” I don’t personally believe in tolerance.”

    shame-

    i think tolerance is live and let live when you can.

    i’m not big on interfering in other peoples lives and vice versa.

    of course that becomes very subjective and is quite complicated in practice.

    thus the discussion.

  274. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Barbara Boxer is readying new gun control legislation. She doesn’t need a gun, she writes tax law, too. Her armed robberies are performed by the government on her behalf.

  275. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    JF

    Yeah I watched the video and I totally agree. It’s just one of many steps that need to be taken.

  276. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    GW its not about censorship but about not sensationalizing it. Give the basic facts in a boring manner, why interview traumatized children or give dramatic readings of the events or detailed info on the assailant?

  277. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    We’ve had CCW, off duty cops, and ex-military for decades, how many of these shootings have been stopped by them? Its fantasy. Did you watch the youtube where the CCW holders panicked, froze, or ended up shot anyways?
    ================

    That really wasn’t the point of my post. My point was that even though the loss of an innocent life at the hands of a “good guy” would be tragic, the countervailing societal interest in mitigating the harm caused by the assailant would outweigh the loss.

    And there have been cases in which folks used their own weapons to disarm an assailant. There was one case in particular, several years ago, that occurred at a West Virginia college. An armed assailant briefly took over a university building, and was was disarmed wiothout incident, by a couple of students (off-duty cops), who produced their own weapons. The attack was briefly carried as a major media story, but the resolution of the attack wasn’t as widely covered (presumably, because the story ddidn’t fit into the larger “gun control” meme at outfits like the NYT)

  278. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    JF,

    I understand that. However, these stories are ensational. My goodness.. I hope that these kinds of stories never become quotidian….

  279. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Ghostwriter-

    But that is exactly my point.

    That they can do little. That they generally cannot know for certain, or even predict all that well.

    About the only thing they can do is to err on the side of caution if they suspect it.

    Which I am sure many do.

    That part of Psychology is way more art than science unfortunately.

    And is filled with many misjudgements as a result.

    A brain scan cannot tell you when someone is about to commit a homicide.

    This isn’t “minority report’ where we have the ‘pre-crime bureau”.

    Unfortunately THAT is just science fiction. Wish it wasn’t.

    ;)

  280. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Barbara Boxer is readying new gun control legislation. She doesn’t need a gun, she writes tax law, too. Her armed robberies are performed by the government on her behalf.”

    tomingeorgia-

    you are exactly the kind of person on this blog i talk about when i say politics drips off your every baseball word.

    i’ve never had a decent baseball discussion i can remember with you because of the built in bias and antagonism i perceive you to have . i’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that i may be wrong though.
    but its the way i see it.

    let’s cut right to the chase.

    do you have any ideas at all to help prevent future innocent little kids being shot by assault weapons ?

    we may not agree on much of anything, but surely you’d be willing or have your representatives in governnement to sit down and look for a solution.

  281. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    randy – Certainly that’s the sentiment but I’m more concerned with subtle yet effective message the language sends: that some people are ‘to be tolerated’ by the majority. I find language and the power of it fascinating.

    That’s why I love it every time Cashman talks….

  282. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Tom

    You bring up a knife attack that killed no one as an argument for no gun control. You mention a trip to go buy a gun— for what reason IDK? Then you manage to step over the political line in this whole discussion with your Boxer armed robbery comment.

    What exactly are you trying to prove or add to this discussion?

  283. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Time for me to leave the command bunker West.

    Passions are running high now.

    Please take that into account when you respond to each other.

    See ya’ round.

    :)

  284. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    One more crazy MTU suggestion before I go.

    Maybe switch over to talking about Sex instead ?

    Of the 3 taboos it certainly might be the most interesting.

    (Just kidding. As usual.)

    Later people.

    :)

  285. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    “Yes, I imagine that it must be hard to anticipate when somebody is going to snap. Still, I can’t help wondering if they couldn’t do more to head off trouble before it happens.”

    ghostwriter-

    that’s the big tough question. these guys tend to be males late teens to late twenties. could some intervention been done with the guy who committed the newtown killings . medication. tough love.
    what was the trigger that pushed him into a place where he’d kill kids. how does that even make sense?

    you can’t start profiling people because of being male and in this age range who are goth kids or computer geeks or loners. for all we know that’s jerkface or lgy. there’s something more going on here.

    it is something new . it didn’t happen in this way when we were kids back in the fifties and 60′s. something has changed how these people act out the anger.

    again surely people of different viewpoints can all agree something needs to be done even if it’s not agreed what that will be. a solution is also obviously not one thing but many things. agreeing there’s a problem is a start.

  286. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Remember when Donald Trump made everyone on the blog agree with each other…?

    :lol:

    Let’s go back to being mad at Donald Trump!

  287. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    “GW its not about censorship but about not sensationalizing it. Give the basic facts in a boring manner, why interview traumatized children or give dramatic readings of the events or detailed info on the assailant?”

    Exactly none of this helps. Sensationalizes it to the point where others may crave that kind of attention. But it would have to be self-imposed. I’m just not sure how one would compel the press to act responsible.

  288. Nilsson December 16th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Gun violence and violence in general happens every day. So much so that it’s easy to become desensitized to the news. But this latest one at the elementary school really was painful to read and watch.

    Anyway, SNL has really sucked this season, but they got it right last night. I bet Trisha and others will like this opening:

    SNL Opening

  289. blake December 16th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    “do you have any ideas at all to help prevent future innocent little kids being shot by assault weapons ?”

    I’ve hunted all my life and don’t own an assault weapon…..honestly I see very little reason for those type weapons to be available to the public.

    I don’t know the answer to how to keep maniacs from massacring people and kids…..Im not sure there is a full proof way to stop such unprovoked evil….

  290. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    And so it is official:

    SUNDAY: The Rakuten Eagles have officially announced the signing of Jones, reports the Associated Press (via ESPN.com).

    In honor of Mr. Jones:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iABFZGzEjY

  291. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    You fail to mention the shooter was also successful in killing his targets and was only appprehended after his spree was finished.That incident doesn’t fit into any paranoid gun control narrative because no one is trying to take guns away from police officers.

  292. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    MTU December 16th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    One more crazy MTU suggestion before I go.

    Maybe switch over to talking about Sex instead ?

    Of the 3 taboos it certainly might be the most interesting.

    ——————–

    Totally ready for this discussion to take place on the blog.. somewhat reminiscent of one Thanksgiving where my family was trying to determine if a ménage à trois violated the rules in the bible. My response to my uncle, who was unabashedly trying to convince my aunt this was not outside the rules of morality according to the bible, was that having sex outside of marriage was considered a sin – the collective response from my relatives?

    ‘Everyone ignores that rule, anyway.’

  293. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    “Passions are running high now.

    Please take that into account when you respond to each other.”

    mtu-

    maybe you should take us us on an outward bound type hiking trip to resolve our differences. let nature humble us all.

    does the “m” stand for mediator.

  294. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    blake December 16th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    “do you have any ideas at all to help prevent future innocent little kids being shot by assault weapons ?”

    I’ve hunted all my life and don’t own an assault weapon…..honestly I see very little reason for those type weapons to be available to the public.

    ————–

    If I ever went hunting I’d want an automatic weapon only because I have terrible aim…

    Perhaps it’s best I never picked it up as a hobby ;)

  295. UnKnown December 16th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    Unfortunately a shooting at a movie theater has already happened.

  296. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    This is very interesting.. I only recently watched Zero Day, Elephant, and We Need to Talk about Kevin. I get on genre kicks pretty quickly, as you can see (for those unaware, these are all films about school shootings). Zero Day was especially disturbing. Stylistically, it was very well done and kept you in a pretty constant state of anxiety. I think both Zero Day and Elephant were made in the early 2000s.

  297. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    randy l,
    In Augusta/Richmond County, GA, there is at least one armed police officer in each school when children are present. I allow that preventing madmen from committing mayhem is not the reason they were put there. It was for more mundane reasons like student assaults on other students or faculty, but all the same, they’re there. Maybe that would help, at least keep a kid carrying a long gun out of the place.

    As for dripping politics, you’re the king. I defer to your experience in baseball, not in life. Your politics is of no concern to me, other than your idea that Big Brother has all the answers. Pax vobiscum.

  298. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    You fail to mention the shooter was also successful in killing his targets and was only appprehended after his spree was finished.That incident doesn’t fit into any paranoid gun control narrative because no one is trying to take guns away from police officers.
    =============

    No, no. If you’re talking to me, the story I referred to predated the Va Tech incident, and ended peacefully. It happened awhile ago (but whithin the last 10 years), and I forgot the specifics of it. It never became a big story, in large measure because it was ended quietly. I’ll post a link if I find one…

    And my point isn’t that I want an armed citizenry to fight crime, although I do think that armed citizens can on occasion deter it. My point is that I don’t want to see law-abiding people disarmed in the vain hope that doing so can deter lunatics like Lanza.

  299. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Gw I assure you I am not talking about the vt shooting, you have forgotten the details yet are so sure it ended peacefully. It was in 2002 at a westvirginia law school, which is why off duty cops were there as students, the assailant killed a few people and was then apprehended after by the off duty officers.

  300. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    I think a big question in 2013 is the fixes Ivan Nova makes to become a pitcher who doesn’t give up an XBH in every AB.

  301. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    “I don’t know the answer to how to keep maniacs from massacring people and kids…..Im not sure there is a full proof way to stop such unprovoked evil….”

    blake-

    i don’t either, but we kind of have to try.

    i haven’t seen anyone use the term “psychopath”, but identifying this kind of person seems to be what’s needed. i have no idea how to do that, but sometimes you get a pretty good feel that someone is psychopathic because of something they do to you or someone you know. most of us run in the direction if we have the chance. the problem is that this psychopathic person gets off the hook with no police record.

    this is one reason i think these guys make it to the point where they snap with no police record. it’s not easy to step up and tick the psycho off, but people stepping up and speaking out sooner can’t hurt. though i do agree there’s a risk in doing it.

    i think back when i was a kid and maybe that’s something tomingeorgia an i will agree on, that a teenage psychopath would get his lunch handed to him if he crossed a line with other kids. we hit back. in a way that was a correction. now, people are often afraid to stand up to being assaulted or attacked because “hitting” is not allowed.

    i realize the seeming seeming contradiction of what i’m saying. a world where there is little physical correction to bad behavior might actually enable the psychopath into feeling he can get away with violent behavior.

    that said, i don’t think an assault weapon is needed to “correct” a psychopath.

  302. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Nilsson, thank you so much for that. I watched it and sobbed, but maybe that’s what I’ve needed to do. All I could think about was those beautiful innocent little faces.

    I am very proud of this forum and very proud to be a member of it, today especially. I think the discussion you men (it’s the men right now) is one that we need to have, no matter on which side you stand. Our lives are much bigger than Yankee baseball and unless we find a way to get it right, some day we might not have Yankee baseball to talk about. We’re not bystanders in this life, we’re participants. I admit I don’t have answers either, but I’d like to find a way to keep guns out of hands of crazies. And I’d still really like to know – though I never will – why the mother of the person who did the shooting needed a glock, amongst her 7 or more guns. Plus she knew her son was troubled. Why were those guns accessible to him? I feel the blood of those children is as much on her hands as on her son’s, maybe moreso.

    Again, I’m very proud of the lohud forumites. An extremely intelligent and caring group we have assembled here. Thank you.

  303. Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    I don’t see how beating up an already potentially marginalized and bullied group is going to reduce violent out bursts and force escalation.

  304. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    i think back when i was a kid and maybe that’s something tomingeorgia an i will agree on, that a teenage psychopath would get his lunch handed to him if he crossed a line with other kids. we hit back. in a way that was a correction. now, people are often afraid to stand up to being assaulted or attacked because “hitting” is not allowed.

    i realize the seeming seeming contradiction of what i’m saying. a world where there is little physical correction to bad behavior might actually enable the psychopath into feeling he can get away with violent behavior.

    *****

    Mass school horrors were around way before the current age of parenting that you complain about above – - – -

  305. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    “As for dripping politics, you’re the king. I defer to your experience in baseball, not in life. Your politics is of no concern to me, other than your idea that Big Brother has all the answers”.

    tomingeorgia-

    doesn’t it feel good to just let it all out and be honest who you are?

    no need to defer to me on baseball. you have your own baseball experience. our interaction is exactly why i say politics is right behind the surface on many baseball discussions.

    the way i think and the way you think are oil and water. complete opposites in many ways.

    as for big brother stuff, the way to get around that is to simply break the law :)

  306. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    ” that a teenage psychopath would get his lunch handed to him if he crossed a line with other kids. we hit back.”

    I think you got this part wrong. It’s usually the kids who have been bullied, or kids that nobody pays any attention to who are striking back. And I really believe with the help of the press they see some kind of twisted glory in this kind of action.

    I just don’t get the taking of innocents with you. I will never understand this.

  307. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    JF,
    No one in the world has figured out how to stop these events. These incidents happen every day, somewhere on earth, in the most oppressive states, and in the freest. Axes, knives, machetes, guns, bombs, arson, poison, whatever, they happen. If I could stop it, I’d win the Nobel Prize.

  308. DaSaint007 December 16th, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    1. If Fire Departments around the country can randomly inspect buildings to ensure that Fire Alarm systems and Sprinkler systems are safe, and Building Departments can conduct random inspections of construction sites, why can’t Police Departments and or the ATF randomly perform annual inspections of licensed gun owners, to ensure that their weapons are securly stored/locked away. If they’re not, confiscate them until they pay fines and take courses to do so then they can get them returned.
    2. There needs to be increased buybacks of weapons from any in the public who choose to turn them in. If we can spend billions on each stealth bomber that will never see combat against a comparable foe, then we can allocate at least 1 billion dollars to such a purpose. At tleast this MAY get some off the streets.
    3. There needs to be increased penalties/jail sentances against those caught with or who used unlicensed weapons.
    4. Increased psychological screeneing, mandatory wait periods, and mandatory training and refresher courses should all be required before purchasing any weapon. I’m not so worried about trained owners, I’m worried about those who are untrained and unstable.
    5. Ban semi-automatic and fully-automatic assault weapon sales.

    Our culture needs to change. This has become too commonplace

  309. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Everybody is understandably beat up over this. If something happened to my daughter I very much doubt I could carry on. I grew up working in mental health and there is such a stigma the ” well adjusted normal ” hold in this realm. So much aesthetic pressure on youth. Yankee fans, keep giving the world your energy and thoughts as I’m sure you will – much needed.

  310. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    tom, they appear to be happening with more frequency, at least to me, and more and more innocent people are losing their lives. I agree with randy that something must be done about it. The “what” is the question. I am thankful that Congress is posed to do something, or at least to recommend something, from what I’ve heard.

    Maybe it took the loss of little children to finally wake them up.

  311. blake December 16th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Randy,

    I agree….I think prevention of the people in these cases is more of the issue than the guns themselves….because if someone wants a gun bad enough they are always gonna be able to find one.

    We need better security in schools….an we need a better way of identifying crazy people …..no clue how that’s accomplished though

  312. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    Anti-bullying and inclusiveness at a young age would help kids on the margins perhaps become better integrated. Kids who feel alienated are often the ones who grow resentful and some ultimately become dangerous. A lot of the kids I work with go through a period, usually in middle school where there is a pack mentality and if they don’t conform, they are ridiculed, ostracized and some become isolated. I am not sure what went wrong in this person’s life, and I haven’t read the stories. But nurturing/tolerance at home and recognition/awareness in school of kids who don’t fit it would be a start.

  313. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    fit *in

  314. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    I think it’s important to stop having this conversation in relation to kids.. bullying is merely a byproduct of how we as adults treat one another, we’re just to afraid to confront it in that manner. It’s too easy to let the blame rest on high schoolers.

    MTU – I guess no one else wanted to have a discussion about sex instead :D I maintain Donald Trump should be our go-to topic when we all feel like we need to agree on something.

  315. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    We need better security in schools….an we need a better way of identifying crazy people …..no clue how that’s accomplished though

    —————-

    Start with LoHud, work your way out from there ;)

  316. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Shame, I have no idea what you are saying, who is blaming high schoolers?

  317. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    “If something happened to my daughter I very much doubt I could carry on.”

    jmills, this morning I watched an interview with one of the fathers who lost a daughter at Virginia Tech and what he said is that you never get over it, you just manage to find a way to keep going. But your life is never the same. I absolutely believe that.

  318. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    YF

    I’m not surprised that you were able to articulate what my very thoughts were, only a 1000 times better. Excellent post.

  319. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    No no, fem that comment wasn’t directed at your post, just a general statement in response to many people discussing how we need to focus on helping our kids cope. I think the focus on children is admirable but also misguided because they’re simply a reflection of who are are as adults. I’m not saying focusing on helping young people shouldn’t be invested in, simply that we need to be willing to open the discussion up to how all of us as adults (not just parents) contribute to what could be considered the culture of bullying.

  320. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    “Start with LoHud, work your way out from there ”

    shame-

    despite or seeming antagonism towards each other on the blog, no one would be here if they really thought anyone on here was really crazy.

    i do appreciate the humor though .

  321. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    No one in the world has figured out how to stop these events. These incidents happen every day, somewhere on earth, in the most oppressive states, and in the freest. Axes, knives, machetes, guns, bombs, arson, poison, whatever, they happen. If I could stop it, I’d win the Nobel Prize.
    ==================================
    It is time for Congress to act. The killing of innocent children is the final straw. Get off your arses Congress and enact a law preventing the issue of any new guns for a time period. How in hell could his mother get her hands on these weapons is right. The murderer had access to them as he did with going to the sink for a glass of water. He was prolly shooting them off in a range as he evidently knew what he was doing. As for the media, it is their own self -interest that sensationalizes these things. Ratings sell, nuff said, Wake up America, we are part of the problem.

  322. austinmac December 16th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    There have been murders around as long as there have been men. Now, a crazed murderer can kill a score of people before a response can be made. I can not understand the rationale for automatic or semi-automatic weapons being available to the public.

    In many states we now have a concealed carry laws. I have yet to hear of a tragedy being averted by the citizen with a gun. We hear how teachers should be armed, but we never hear how it helps in reality.

    What was the favorite automatic weapon of the writers of the amendments?

  323. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Shame, I agree with that. Of course it begins with adults, and with in particular family’s in which some form of bullying (even if it is insidious and not intentional often) or a lack of sufficient nurturing is present.

    Tar, thanks. I too feel very strongly about how destructive the effects of bullying can be. Kids are pretty simple, as we all are; they just want to be accepted and loved.

  324. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    “Anti-bullying and inclusiveness at a young age would help kids on the margins perhaps become better integrated. Kids who feel alienated are often the ones who grow resentful and some ultimately become dangerous.”

    yankeefeminista-

    this makes total sense. i think it’s a complex problem with no magic bullet, but surely we can do better as a society.

  325. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    Not all countries include guns as a staple for society, why do we?
    What is the necessity?
    It is driven by hunters and gun enthusiasts.
    If it could be tried, why not try enforcing restraints and outlawing guns, at least for a time period.
    Repeal the 2nd amendment in the name of saving lives.
    It might work, what is there to lose?

  326. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    We need better security in schools….an we need a better way of identifying crazy people …..no clue how that’s accomplished though

    ******

    How about first start by not calling people “crazy,” which can be offensive and try something more appropriate

    http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/.....ntally-ill

  327. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    mick,
    That’s an inane question.

  328. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    randy – Lol, not 100% sure about that!! I think we have our fair share of mental health problems here! ;) But yes, I think humor is a better way to approach these situations than anger… anger can be less effective, and close off meaningful discussion.

    fem – I just think too often the focus ends up on kids and parents. It’s so much more than that. We see grown men and women on the political stage using vitriolic discourse regularly.. these are well educated, powerful adults, and they cannot manage to hash out issues or make it through election cycles without kicking up dirt. Kids aren’t stupid. They’re much smarter and more intuitive than we give them credit for. They know what kind of world we live in even if they can’t articulate it.. it’s unfortunate that sometimes manifests itself in this manner.

  329. Doreen December 16th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    Yes something is indeed different now than in the 60s and 70s. There has been a building numbness to the violence around us, as well as a type of normalization of violence via video games and the like.

    Add in the fact that we as a society try to rationalize every misconduct as well as glamoriize bad behavior. Who are the role models?

    We are also taught to tolerate differences and while that is good on its face, it is taken to the extreme quite often.

    In the 60s and 70s, the enemy was “without.” Now the enemy is us. Too many shades of gray.

    Not to mention a horrible health care system where only the fortunate are able to afford the medications that they would need to manage a mental health issue. And a society that scorns people who have mental or psychological deficiencies do tha t even acknowledging the problem to begin with is problematic.

  330. austinmac December 16th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    I had a teenage friend and my kids baby sitter murdered extremely violently 20 years ago. Her mother never remotely got over it. She continues to go forward, but her life is not the same.

    I doubt we have hospitals/facilities to keep a lot of high risk people off the street. It is a difficult issue, but unless one has overtly done something very bad, they are on the streets in short order.

  331. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    I get it that guys like blake are innocent in their love of guns.
    It’s just that it opens it up to the general public like the mother of the killer.
    Of course, he prolly forced her to do it, and it was easy enough for her to be his accomplice.
    Can’t we make it tougher? Wouldn’t people feel safer? Wouldn’t lives be saved?
    I mean at this point people are afraid to go to their shopping malls or to send their children to school in fear for their lives.
    If this incident doesn’t spur some changes I don’t know what will.

  332. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    care to expound Tom?

  333. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    “I think you got this part wrong. It’s usually the kids who have been bullied, or kids that nobody pays any attention to who are striking back. And I really believe with the help of the press they see some kind of twisted glory in this kind of action.”

    tar-

    maybe. as a lay person, trying to identify different kinds of crazy isn’t easy. i see what you’re saying that in this case this kid if anything may have been the bullied kid and not the other way around. i’m saying that i’d be surprised if he wasn’t acting out in some anti social ways before he totally snapped.

    it’s the feedback to this antisocial behavior i’m talking about. i see it in the town i’m in. there are some people who most people are afraid of because they are afraid they’ll go off on them. i’m sure that’s typical of most small towns.

    i think these people start pushing the legal envelope much sooner than when they snap. and i’m not saying to throw them in jail. maybe psychological intervention can help. but just ignoring the bad behavior doesn’t sound right to me. i think that’s what too often happens now.

  334. Doreen December 16th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    As for anti-bullying programs. Hah. Every elementary school child I know has gone through intensive antibullying programs. Somehow it all gets thrown out the window in middle school, when kid sar emir keenly aware of differences and very caught up in fitting in. It is the rare teen that is truly able to be “inclusive.”. At best the “tolerate” those who are different.

  335. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Yes something is indeed different now than in the 60s and 70s. There has been a building numbness to the violence around us, as well as a type of normalization of violence via video games and the like.

    Add in the fact that we as a society try to rationalize every misconduct as well as glamoriize bad behavior. Who are the role models?

    We are also taught to tolerate differences and while that is good on its face, it is taken to the extreme quite often.

    ******

    In the 60s and 70s you had daily Vietnam coverage – which was disturbing and violent in its own right.

    The media is much more accessible and 24/7 than it was in the past so events are more covered – but past horrific incidents have happened during times many would consider the good old days of the 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s – - – -this is a human issue that has gone on since the dawn – it is too simple to say it is due video games, new age parenting, etc.

    And as a side note, differences should be tolerated I agree – - – -

  336. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    people ignore the bad behavior because they feel it’s not their business to get involved.
    it’s also out of fear.
    there is such individual freedom today that almost all behavior is acceptable in the name of political correctness.
    correcting what goes on a child’s socialization process is impossible on a wide scale.
    its much easier to be stricter on gun control or outlawing them altogether.
    or is that inane?

  337. jacksquat December 16th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    I generally lean towards the “liberal” side on most issues, but practicality has to be considered, not just ideals. Citizens of the USA own over 300 million guns. You will not get rid of them. Other countries like say in europe for a long time did not allow their citizens to own firearms (which was usually to oppress it’s citizens, so whoever was the ruler did not have to fear getting killed if he was an ass), so it’s much easier for them to maintain that, as opposed to removing 300 million guns. If you removed that right, what you would end up with is millions of disarmed law abiding people, a smaller number of usually law abiding people turned into criminals because they want the right to protect their households, from the criminals who will all keep their guns. If someone loses his mind and wants to kill a bunch of people, he will still find a gun on the undoubtedly flourishing black market. It would be like trying to get rid of harmful recreational drugs, it’s just never going to happen.

  338. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    different kinds of crazy

    *****

    suggesting a different choice of words – but do as you wish – - – -

  339. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    “We are also taught to tolerate differences and while that is good on its face, it is taken to the extreme quite often.

    In the 60s and 70s, the enemy was “without.” Now the enemy is us. Too many shades of gray.”

    doreen-

    i agree totally.

    i’m also quite proud of the blog today. this is some pretty serious stuff, and i do think people stepped up to discuss it.

    there is no way that discussing who’s going to be the fourth outfielder or utility infielder is that important in a time like this.

    though i do understand people have different ways of dealing with tragedy. sometimes we all need baseball a an escape, but i’m glad today the blog rules were broken and people spoke out.

  340. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Just to throw this idea out there as well, not specifically in response to anyone’s one post, but the celebration of violence existed long before television came into existence… it’s hard to battle ideologies that are centuries old, but we’re talking about deeply imbedded schemas that have been reinforced for literally thousands of years. This is not an easy battle to fight, that’s for sure.

  341. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    “suggesting a different choice of words – but do as you wish – – – -”

    what would you suggest?

    i have no problem using it if there’s a better term.

  342. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    i’m glad today the blog rules were broken and people spoke out.

    ———————

    The first rule of Lohud: there are no rules :twisted:

    (Seriously, we break every single one of Pete’s blog rules on a daily basis – I’ve also always been quite proud of that.)

  343. The Return of Stoneburner December 16th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
    “suggesting a different choice of words – but do as you wish – – – -”

    what would you suggest?

    i have no problem using it if there’s a better term.

    ******

    The only suggestions I have possibly using people first language – such as “persons with mental, intellectual physical or psychiatric disabilities”

    http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/.....ntally-ill

    I am really not trying to lecture on this one – I am really not – but for someone who works with this community, I do feel as if I need to say something – - -

  344. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    What harm would repealing the Second Amendment do? Well, we could repeal the 1st, 4th, 9th, 10th, 14th 17th, 22nd and 26th at the same , insuring a tyranny,

  345. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    “correcting what goes on a child’s socialization process is impossible on a wide scale.
    its much easier to be stricter on gun control or outlawing them altogether.
    or is that inane?”

    mick-

    though we don’t agree often, i’m glad we agree on the banning of assault weapons.

    i do think that work can be done on the mental health side of the equation though. yankeefeminista touched on it i think.

  346. Doreen December 16th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    Shame

    That is true, absolutely. But there seems to be no balance today. Too much bend. Something has to break.

  347. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    If someone loses his mind and wants to kill a bunch of people, he will still find a gun on the undoubtedly flourishing black market.
    =======================
    It might have deterred this nut job.
    His mother got him the guns.
    One of which was a long gun and totally unnecessary for a gun range.
    Why not make the process harder?
    People needing recreational satisfaction are driving this?
    Insane, not inane…

  348. jacksquat December 16th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    Assault weapon ban (meaning guns that look like assault weapons) is worthless. The same thing could have been done today with a semi-auto “hunting” rifle, or handguns.

  349. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    What harm would repealing the Second Amendment do? Well, we could repeal the 1st, 4th, 9th, 10th, 14th 17th, 22nd and 26th at the same , insuring a tyranny,
    =========================================
    Let’s throw out the baby with the bathwater, why don’t we?
    Something has to be done Tom, we are destroying our very society.
    Cannibalization.
    Let the hunters kill illegally. That law wouldn’t be enforced.
    Personally, why do you need a gun?

  350. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    “The only suggestions I have possibly using people first language – such as “persons with mental, intellectual physical or psychiatric disabilities”

    I am really not trying to lecture on this one – I am really not – but for someone who works with this community, I do feel as if I need to say something – – -

    The Return of Stoneburner

    okay, done.

    what would be the correct term for sociopath?

  351. yankee21 December 16th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    This used to be a blog to discuss baseball.

    We all know about the terrible tragedy in CT, however political discourse on a baseball blog is not going to change anyone’s mind about how to respond to these horrific events.

    I consult this blog as an escape from the daily grind and the horrors of this world it would be great if we could keep politics, religion, and gun rights or non-gun rights out of this forum and talk about baseball.

    Maybe I’m in a minority in wanting that.

  352. austinmac December 16th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    What if one could have a weapon that projects nuclear or biological terror? Is that protected by the Second Amendment? Is it only projectiles that are protected? Bazookas good too?

    My point is the 2d Amendment was written before these weapons existed. Can’t we use some common sense?

  353. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    though we don’t agree often, i’m glad we agree on the banning of assault weapons.
    =========================
    randy
    it’s not that we don’t agree it’s just that sometimes you come across as a pompous arse.
    not today but some other days…
    generally i like your stories and look forward to reading your pulp fiction…

  354. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    My point is the 2d Amendment was written before these weapons existed. Can’t we use some common sense?
    ==================
    No. The hunting community might object.

  355. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    mick,
    Do you know what those amendments say? Amend away.

  356. Doreen December 16th, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    Stoneburner

    The nightly news in the 60s and 70s and the daily body counts are still fresh in my mind.

    But it wasn’t 24/7 and pretty much inescapable as things are today. But I do, believe it was the beginning of the modern inurement to violence.

    Believe me i do not mean to say it is because of video games, etc. that’s too simplistic and only a small piece of the picture. Another brick in the wall so to speak.

  357. jacksquat December 16th, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    How do you make it more difficult for insane people to get weapons, without actually banning guns? The guy got them from his mother, that’s exactly the point. How would more extensive background checks or psychological evaluations have stopped that? It would not have.

    We made harmful recreational drugs illegal, how’s that working out? If I wanted some the guy who lives right above me is a dealer (and the police apparently can’t do anything).

  358. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    Do you know what those amendments say? Amend away.
    ==================
    I notice you stopped referring to me as Mr.
    Did I touch a nerve?
    Fire away…

  359. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    The guy got them from his mother, that’s exactly the point. How would more extensive background checks or psychological evaluations have stopped that? It would not have.
    =========================================
    Why would a mother want/need a long gun or any gun?
    For a toy for her demented son?

  360. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Mr. mick,
    Do you know how the Constitution is amended? Sorry for the demotion.

  361. austinmac December 16th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    All amendments have limitations. There are many cases dealing with free speech. Can you yell fire in a theater, for example? Can you threaten immediate violence? Etc. Restricting gun right can be done legislatively if sound reasons exist to do so.

  362. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    The nightly news in the 60s and 70s and the daily body counts are still fresh in my mind.
    ====================================
    That might have driven the people crazy over what was going on in Viet Nam.
    Those days are over as we only see hand picked atrocities now.
    No need to upset the public with the private goings on of the govt…what business is it of ours anyway?

  363. jacksquat December 16th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
    The guy got them from his mother, that’s exactly the point. How would more extensive background checks or psychological evaluations have stopped that? It would not have.
    =========================================
    Why would a mother want/need a long gun or any gun?
    For a toy for her demented son?

    You seemed to be asking for some way to control guns without outright banning them. I demonstrated how that wouldn’t work.

  364. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Mr tom
    I am hiring Austin mac as my atty…speak to him.

  365. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    You seemed to be asking for some way to control guns without outright banning them. I demonstrated how that wouldn’t work.
    ========================
    Ban them.

  366. Doreen December 16th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Ah mick an entirely different can of worms!

  367. austinmac December 16th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Banning assault weapons by no means solves the problem. However, it is one step. Recognition of dangerous mental illness and hospitalization is the larger solution. Obviously, it is difficult and expensive.

  368. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    “it’s not that we don’t agree it’s just that sometimes you come across as a pompous arse.
    not today but some other days…”

    mick-

    you can say ass on here.

    i think it was shame who let me now about that one. for some reason she’s an expert on curse words.

  369. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    For those who attacked trisha unfairly today:
    I believe all she was trying to say was that God should not be declared dead, even if he/she is on life support.
    This might have something to do with our society’s deterioration even though we are so sophisticated today with all the new technology.
    There are many old timers, many who are no longer with us, that would attest things were better in the past.
    God is just a belief in a better way to live our lives, that’s all.

  370. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    Doreen – I wouldn’t want to be interpreted as saying nothing can be/should be done.. I just think in order to do something we really need to understand the problem and that the problem is often a lot bigger than we can even wrap our heads around. We don’t just celebrate violence as a society but we do so as a species. That’s some tough sh*t to combat, ya know what I’m saying? Like I said, we don’t even have a governing body that can have a respectful discourse to have these conversations and those people are apparently the best we could come up with. It’s such a tough thing to approach without the ability to communicate to one another.

  371. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    oh ok i will say you can be an ass randy if you like now let’s gang up on Tom, a man of few words, unlike us.

  372. austinmac December 16th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Now, back to that good for nothing Hal. :)

  373. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Ah mick an entirely different can of worms!
    ============================
    doreen, speaking of worms, did you ever find that fancy restaurant I sent you to?
    i forget the name…

  374. mick December 16th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    randy,
    just don’t turn your back on mr tom,
    i believe he is armed…

  375. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    i think it was shame who let me now about that one. for some reason she’s an expert on curse words.

    ——————
    I get caught in the censor all the time.. couldn’t believe it when I realized ‘ho0ker’ gets caught in the censor.

    Ass, jackass, and asshole are all good though.

    Vagina also goes through but pen*s does not.

  376. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Wait, just to make sure nothing has changed: Penis.

  377. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Okay, never mind. I take it back. The blogs censorship is no longer as sexist as it once was.

  378. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Jerkface December 16th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Gw I assure you I am not talking about the vt shooting, you have forgotten the details yet are so sure it ended peacefully. It was in 2002 at a westvirginia law school, which is why off duty cops were there as students, the assailant killed a few people and was then apprehended after by the off duty officers.
    ==============

    Okay. I’ll take your word for it. Most of your details sound about right, but I had forgotten the deaths…

  379. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    you can say penis here?

  380. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    …And this is the best conversation I’ve had with myself on the blog in a long time.

    I wish GLove was around so I could have someone to commiserate with about the Cowboys.

  381. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Mr. mick,
    Vast thoughts, but deranged people don’t care what era it is They;re the same as they always were. It was more fun to be a kid back in the day, though.

  382. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    are george carlins 7 dirty words the only taboos left on lohud?

  383. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    It was more fun to be a kid back in the day, though.
    =================================
    was that when you got your 1st assault rifle tom?

  384. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    are george carlins 7 dirty words the only taboos left on lohud?

    ——————

    *Sigh*

    Now I know what I’ll be spending the next 10 minutes of my life doing.. (typing George Carlin’s 7 dirty words into the comments section and seeing how long it takes before Chad bans me.. and hopefully asks for my number..*crosses fingers*)

  385. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Did anyone else besides blake and myself watch the Hamilton presser?

    Man, that guy gives good face.

  386. Chambliss December 16th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    I have read many of the comments on this thread and fine them to be quite interesting.

    I have never big a fan of guns, but I am a fan of the Constitution; however, I would agree to a ban on assualt weapons. I don’t think that the Framers would have like guns which could shoot 100 rounds per minute.

    That said, I also think that the Framers would have been disgusted with our pop culture which encourages vile and disgusting song lyrics and professional athletes who cover their bodies with gang related tatoos and clothing. I think that Freedom of Speech and Expression are important also, but perhaps it is time that we reconsider some of our social policies in these areas. The entertainments industries: sports, music, movies, etc. are filled with violence, much of which is out of control.

    If we are going to start banning guns, let’s also take a look at how we are behaving as a society and how some of our role models in the entertainment industry are behaving. In many instances, their behavior is not acceptable and it has been tolerated for far too long.

    This guy who killed the poor children in Connecticut could have just as easily driven a truck filled with explosives into the school.

  387. Doreen December 16th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    Shame

    I understand what you are saying. And I agree. More cIvil discourse amongst our so-called leaders would certainly be a start.

  388. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    i remember the day an aunt or someone gave me a beebee gun for a present.
    that in itself was insane
    i also remember a member of my family making them take it back
    might have been a turning point in my life…

  389. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS

    Big Pelf gets $4M plus $1.5M in incentives. Coming off TJ surgery but already throwing well. #twins

    —————

    The Twins are sure to try to make at least one other move for a pitcher…

  390. Melkmanisinhotlanta December 16th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    mick December 16th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
    No, usually by people who wish to enact bans without the full possession of the facts.
    ===============
    “What are the facts?”

    —————————————-

    The fact is you’re a lawyer idiot lol.

  391. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Mr. mick,
    I don’t shoot people in the the back. Just wing’em. Makes it easier for the law to tu.n them loose

  392. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Apparently, the folks in Oklahoma are doing something right: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012.....ting-plot/.

  393. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    This guy who killed the poor children in Connecticut could have just as easily driven a truck filled with explosives into the school.
    ======================
    I don’t think so.
    That would have not been easy.
    In fact that would take a plan and he might have had 2nd thoughts of the work involved.
    The fact is that it was easy doing it the way he did it.
    He rolled out of bed , grabbed his guns his mommy bought him and killed her and 20 children with them.
    Easy as pie…

  394. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    The fact is you’re a lawyer idiot lol.
    ================
    prove it douche..

  395. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    Doreen December 16th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    Shame

    I understand what you are saying. And I agree. More cIvil discourse amongst our so-called leaders would certainly be a start.

    ———-

    I’d like to think it would create a more civil discourse amongst the citizens. I mean.. only a few years ago we were watching one of our senators scream ‘liar!’ at our President during a joint session in Congress lol. :shock: Like whatttt? It’s just.. overall… we kinda suck. We can do better.

  396. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    Also, in other acts of patriotism I’d like to add: Let’s go Cowboys ;)

  397. Doreen December 16th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    Shame I did not watch the presser. I didn’t want Josh but even if I did, why rub my nose in it? Sounds like he did a good job at it though. And sounds like it would have left me wishing they HAD gotten him, and I would wind up being upset over something I never wanted in the first place! LOL

  398. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    “just don’t turn your back on mr tom,
    i believe he is armed…”

    mick -

    you have to admit the blog stepped up today and had some good discussion about a serious subject. i do appreciate tomingeorgia’s honesty though i disagree with his position on automatic weapons and what it takes for america to be a free place to live.

    of course back in the day he voluntarily went off to vietnam and i voluntarily burned my draft card. so who’s the one who pays attention to big brother? we aren’t going to agree easily on something like controlling automatic weapons.

    the one thing we can do is have civil discourse with each other about it though despite the differences. it’s too serious not to.

  399. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    @YankeeSource

    “Throwing well.” that phrase will never be the same again. RT @JonHeymanCBS Big Pelf coming off TJ surgery but already throwing well. #twins

  400. Melkmanisinhotlanta December 16th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    “mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
    The fact is you’re a lawyer idiot lol.
    ================
    prove it douche..”

    Your mama proved it to me lol.

  401. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Doreen December 16th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    Shame I did not watch the presser. I didn’t want Josh but even if I did, why rub my nose in it? Sounds like he did a good job at it though. And sounds like it would have left me wishing they HAD gotten him, and I would wind up being upset over something I never wanted in the first place! LOL

    —————–

    Lol, you would have!! I didn’t realize the guy was so…. dreamy. Really, that’s the only word for it. He was a lot more charming than I would have expected. Maybe it was the southern twang and the Crest commercial-like smile. Maybe both.

  402. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    randy,
    i question why many went off to vietnam?
    was it to prevent communism from spreading or were there personal reasons of which i cannot fathom.
    i would ask tom but he might answer in terms that are obscure, which is a popular form of communication around these parts.
    or he might wing me, whatever that means…

  403. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    In the spirit of productive and positive change, can we amend the LoHud rules to include a ban on ‘your mama’ jokes..?

  404. Doreen December 16th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Shame

    Instead we get to look at Yuck – uh, Youk. :(

  405. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Doreen – Something tells me I’ll be drinking a lot more this season.. Drinking until Youk gets pretty won’t be an easy task, but someone has to confront it head on. If that person must be me (and Jack Daniels), then so be it.

  406. Doreen December 16th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    LOL!

  407. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    doreen and shame

    it is refreshing to listen to 2 women get sexist.

  408. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    “can we amend the LoHud rules to include a ban on ‘your mama’ jokes..?”

    How about just a far reaching ban on melkman. That would cover a lot of issues with one swipe.

  409. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    doreen and shame

    it is refreshing to listen to 2 women get sexist.

    ——————-

    Hell yes!!

    It’s also refreshing to get stereotypical. Did you know we also vote for presidents based on looks?! :mrgreen:

  410. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    How about just a far reaching ban on melkman. That would cover a lot of issues with one swipe.
    =======================
    that could be arranged.
    call in the closers who git bret the hitman banned.

  411. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    It’s also refreshing to get stereotypical. Did you know we also vote for presidents based on looks?! :mrgreen:
    =================
    way to turn that around shame, you’re a pro…not that kind of pro.

  412. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    “call in the closers who git bret the hitman banned.”

    Sorry don’t have david Dejesus’s phone number.

  413. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    that’s cuz bret is no longer with us to give it…

  414. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    tar, at least we know who to go to if we need a gun now….

  415. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    mick -

    i would not disrespect someone who went to vietnam, but for many it was a choice. for others not really a choice. i chose not to go because i thought it wasn’t the right thing to do. people had to make up their own minds.

    just like they do now with their position on gun control, health care, and a myriad of other things.
    i do think that these things are too serious to retreat to simple political positions.

    all of us need to think as independent free thinking people to come up with a better way. forget party affiliation . just work on solving the problem.

  416. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    How about just a far reaching ban on melkman. That would cover a lot of issues with one swipe.
    =======================
    that could be arranged.
    call in the closers who git bret the hitman banned.
    ==============

    Bret was banned from Lohud? What did he do?

  417. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    how bout dem cowboys?!?!

  418. comet December 16th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    Canada where I live has gun control. We’ve had a couple very bad events. Norway has as well, so has Scotland. The thing that all three nations have in common though is gun control. In canada it is illegal to own hand guns with a few exceptions. We have lower murder and suicide rates. less violent crime( although we are having more problems wth illegal guns coming in from the US). I know many Americans who believe that any form of gun control is some how interfering with their rights. Surely the framers of your constition did not envision assault rifles and such.

    Living in a country with gun control I feel safer. I don’t need to fear for my life going shopping, or to school, or anything else. Ridding the US of guns would reduce crime and violence!

  419. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    shame-

    interesting you noticed how good looking josh hamiliton is once he got 125 million .

    probably just a coincidence :)

    perhaps he was so happy it created a glow that you appreciated .

  420. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    i would not disrespect someone who went to vietnam, but for many it was a choice.
    ========================================
    randy

    i often wondered why some went.
    i was in college but would never have went.
    wasn’t politically savvy either at that time, was moreso as the war progressed, but if tom doesn’t want to enlighten me, it is his right.

  421. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    I really can’t with the Cowboys.. forget good/bad cholesterol – they’re trying to give me a heart attack.

  422. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    “Bret was banned from Lohud? What did he do?”

    poor taste in women.

    those southern bell stories were the beginning of the end.

  423. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    comet

    that is enlightening.
    i think some fear the bad guys ,who will always have the guns, will take over.

  424. Doreen December 16th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Randy

    I didn’t think people had a real choice about going to Vietnam. I was a mere babe, but I remember reading the draft list in every Sunday newspaper and checking where my birthday fell even though as pre-adolescent female I would never be called.

  425. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    “wasn’t politically savvy either at that time, was moreso as the war progressed, but if tom doesn’t want to enlighten me, it is his right.”

    probably not the time.

  426. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    bret worked for southern bell?

  427. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    shame-

    interesting you noticed how good looking josh hamiliton is once he got 125 million .

    probably just a coincidence :)

    —————

    :lol:

    It didn’t hurt, that’s for sure!

  428. jacksquat December 16th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Shame, it is wrong to be fan of both the Yankees and the Cowboys. Stop your evil ways. :)

  429. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    aren’t the yanks and the cowboys a conglomerate of some sort?

  430. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    doreen-

    i was on an fbi list for two to three years for not going when i was drafted. it was a choice, but it wasn’t an easy choice. many of the guys who went were between a rock and a hard place. it was not an easy time. as i said, i wouldn’t disrespect anyone who went.

  431. jacksquat December 16th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    comet December 16th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
    Canada where I live has gun control. We’ve had a couple very bad events. Norway has as well, so has Scotland. The thing that all three nations have in common though is gun control. In canada it is illegal to own hand guns with a few exceptions. We have lower murder and suicide rates. less violent crime( although we are having more problems wth illegal guns coming in from the US). I know many Americans who believe that any form of gun control is some how interfering with their rights. Surely the framers of your constition did not envision assault rifles and such.

    Living in a country with gun control I feel safer. I don’t need to fear for my life going shopping, or to school, or anything else. Ridding the US of guns would reduce crime and violence!

    Maybe the lower murder and suicide rates are due to more social welfare leading to less desperation and stress due to finances, and a medical care system that anyone can use who needs help…

  432. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    jacksquat December 16th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Shame, it is wrong to be fan of both the Yankees and the Cowboys. Stop your evil ways. :)

    mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    aren’t the yanks and the cowboys a conglomerate of some sort?

    ——————–

    Can’t stop, won’t stop ;)

    INTERCEPTION! *exhale*

  433. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    Maybe the lower murder and suicide rates are due to more social welfare leading to less desperation and stress due to finances, and a medical care system that anyone can use who needs help…
    ==================
    do you think that murderer had financial concerns?

  434. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    not a conscientious objector randy?

  435. Doreen December 16th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Randy as I recall neither alternative was an easy one at the time.

  436. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    cowboys tied for 1st but didn’t giants beat them twice

  437. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    “tar, at least we know who to go to if we need a gun now….”

    Mick we have had our differences, but I like your passion on this. If there was a practical way to ban assault weapons, I would be all for it. I just don’t think that it’s possible given the current state of affairs. But if there is a way I’m all for it.

    Nobody talks about it, but buying ammo of any kind is way to easy and not regulated at all. Want 10k rounds of AK47 ammo, go online. It’s that easy. That also needs to be regulated.

    But I feel every man/woman should be able to protect his home, and also be able to go hunting.

    I had three teens break into my house a few years ago. One of them had a gun. Luckily my wife was at the grocery store. Make a long story short they were stupid and got caught. Make no mistake I am armed a pistol grip, pump action, 20 gauge shotgun. If somebody breaks into my house I will defend my family and think that is every mans right. But not with an assault rifle, there is no need for it. I would be more likely to harm someone I cared about, than any intruder.

  438. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    good steeler loss for jets sake

  439. Ghostwriter December 16th, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    jacksquat December 16th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    comet December 16th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
    Canada where I live has gun control. We’ve had a couple very bad events. Norway has as well, so has Scotland. The thing that all three nations have in common though is gun control. In canada it is illegal to own hand guns with a few exceptions. We have lower murder and suicide rates. less violent crime( although we are having more problems wth illegal guns coming in from the US). I know many Americans who believe that any form of gun control is some how interfering with their rights. Surely the framers of your constition did not envision assault rifles and such.

    Living in a country with gun control I feel safer. I don’t need to fear for my life going shopping, or to school, or anything else. Ridding the US of guns would reduce crime and violence!

    Maybe the lower murder and suicide rates are due to more social welfare leading to less desperation and stress due to finances, and a medical care system that anyone can use who needs help…
    —————-

    I doubt it. Although I haven’t looked at the stats, I suspect that the lower murder and suicide rates have more to do with different methods of accounting for the differing types of crimes.

  440. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    tar…i have no problem with you, at least you are honest and open. not afraid to voice an opinion.
    i respect your idea behind having a gun in the house to protect and defend.

  441. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Why the #BlueJays are doing it: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....now-121612

  442. Mike_Boston December 16th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Cowboys and giants split this year Mick

  443. comet December 16th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    jacksquat you are right that better social programs and health insurance help. So does gun control. Many times I’ve thought of doing something on impulse. I had no access to a weapon so I didn’t do it. Canadians can own rifles but not asault weapons. We hunt and fish just like you do. It is just that no-one in the neighbourhood owns either an assault rifle, automatic weapon or a hand gun.

  444. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    From Rosenthal:

    ” The trade is not done — Dickey first must agree to a contract extension — but the sheer idea of it is a window into the Jays’ soul. Once general manager Alex Anthopoulos made his blockbuster with the Miami Marlins, there was no turning back. A team is either in or it’s out. The middle is no place to be.

    The New York Yankees are old. The Boston Red Sox are in transition. The Blue Jays’ time is now, even if this all seems a little rushed, even if the team’s threshold for Dickey arguably should have been one top prospect, not two.

    Make no mistake: There is boom-or-bust potential in this trade, for both sides. The Jays could end up like the 2012 Marlins, champions of the offseason, a disaster during the regular season. But this is the right moment for them to strike, and Dickey — odd as it may sound — is the right man for them at the right time.”

  445. mick December 16th, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    The Jays could end up like the 2012 Marlins, champions of the offseason, a disaster during the regular season.
    ================
    The Jays will wind up with Cito Gaston managing an underachieving team.

  446. comet December 16th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    I don’t think Cito is coming back again Mick!

  447. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Thanks Mr Mick. :wink:

    This has been a different kind of day on this blog.

    For me it started with a mention of Victoria Soto, a Teacher, a Hero and a Yankee fan.

  448. mick December 16th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    So now like that tv character i can cross 2 more people off my list of people i have had differences with….nice to know you randy and tar…

  449. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Randy-

    Nope. Not a mediator. But it does say something somwhere about me getting blessed because I try to encourage people to make peace with each other.

    It also says I’ll have the whole Earth to myself because of it.

    I’m greedy so that sounds good to me.

    Hope that explains things.

    :)

  450. mick December 16th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    Wow i got a Mr from tar….hope i don’t have to put mr tom on my bad list, i think he’s mad.

  451. mick December 16th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    comet…he is lurking.

  452. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    “not a conscientious objector randy?”

    mick-

    not really though, but i was a philosophy major at the time so i tried that route. on a humorous note, there was a rule that the draft board had to read everything in your file before making a decision , so we were sending in books like war and piece .. then they changed that rule to what you wrote yourself. i remember sitting outside in a patio next to a giant tomato plant in so cal writing a couple of hours a day of my philosophy on pacifism. i was big on leibniz and monads if i remember . the draft board would get it all and they had to read it all before deciding on the pacifism appeal.

    in the meantime, you had to not get picked up by the police and turned over to the fbi.

  453. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Shame-

    Should have stuck to the 3rd Taboo.

    You have an interesting Family.

    :)

  454. mick December 16th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    this nurse on 60 minutes is describing what happened.

  455. mick December 16th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    randy
    why didn’t you just hop the bus to canada ?

  456. ron December 16th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    I just hope we are not in 3rd place talking about trading cano at the 2013 trading deadline.

    Granderson should be traded for olt,or a similar 3b that can start now.
    Cano should be traded for as much as we can get.
    Hopefully 2 of the highest prospects possible.
    Maybe an o.f,and pitcher,or a combination of,o.f.,p,c,2b.
    Then if we can’t extend hughes,trade him for one of the position prospects we didn’t get in the granderson,and cano trades.
    Trading those 3,or even 2,if hughes is extended should,in combination with our own prospects,and free agency,draft,set us up nicely for another core of good players.
    This,i think is the best way to operate in the new mlb enviroment.

    Then keep payroll around 189,and i don’t see anybody touching us,even the dodgers,angels,etc…

  457. mick December 16th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    the mother was a shooter.

  458. austinmac December 16th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    The Jays may fail, but they look pretty darn good. People have talked about their injury risks, but are they more than the Yankees’ risk?

  459. austinmac December 16th, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Randy,

    Cute girl in the picture the other day. Of course, the flower child look was always appealing to me.

  460. mick December 16th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    parents should boycott school Monday morning with the demand for a cop of some sort in the school.

  461. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    mick-

    for some reason, i never liked that option.

  462. mick December 16th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    don’t blame you randy….i don’t know what i would have done, but my dad would never have let me go, he would have helped me out of that hellhole.

  463. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    Maybe I didn’t hit “send”, but I enlisted to go to war in Vietnam. I did it because I thought it was the right thing to do. When I got there, and had draftees under me, who’s lives depended on my decisions in the minute, I did my best to them safe. I did my duty as an American boy. I got promoted because I did it pretty well at it. I shoot very well, even now, in old age. I have a conceal carry permit, and so does the wife..

    Mr mick, got a beef with that>

  464. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    For those of you who think it is easy to decipher mental illness in many of it’s forms.

    Consider this example.

    If Ted Bundy walked up to you (which he did over and over again to many unfortunate women) you would think he was perfectly normal.

    Quite charming in fact.

    So I ask ? What does the face of mental illness look like ? And how do insane people really behave ?

    Not like jack Nicholson in the Shining, or someone in One Flew over the Cuckoo’s nest.

    Sometimes ? Yes. But many times it is not at all apparent until an insane act surfaces.

    I’ll finish this little dissertation by saying that all of the words spoken by thousands upon thousands of mental Health Professionals are no where as effective as one bottle full of scientificlly designed medications.

    Those have saved thousands, if not millions of lives.

    So I rest my case. Science must march on.

    Need the right tool for the right job.

    And trying to know all of the intricacies of behavior by talking is about like trying to expect to be able to count atoms with the naked eye.

    It simply isn’t going to work.

  465. mick December 16th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    kind of explains the aura of ali…he was a hero, not at 1st, but more as time went by…”I ain’t got no problem with the Viet Cong.”

  466. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    “parents should boycott school Monday morning with the demand for a cop of some sort in the school.”

    Where I live every Middle and High School has an officer. Who had have thought that Elementary Schools may need one too.

  467. mick December 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Mr mick, got a beef with that>
    =====================
    Why would I?
    Am I now on your hit list?
    Or do I put you on mine?

  468. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    “Cute girl in the picture the other day. Of course, the flower child look was always appealing to me.”

    austinmac-

    that was my friend’s girlfriend. i didn’t think about it, but that photo was during my draft dodging days.

    civil disobedience is always an option when one disagrees with what one perceives as an unjust law. though you have to accept the penalties when you go that route.

  469. mick December 16th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    it is a shame that so many innocent children, those not even in that school that day, have had so much of their innocence robbed by that disturbed individual.

  470. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    OK.

    We’ve covered or at least touched on the 3 main taboo subjects so I’m returning to safe ground.

    Why is Hal such a Scrooge at Xmas time ?

    :)

  471. mick December 16th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    mtu
    its not xmas yet…geo would always wait to make it dramatic

  472. austinmac December 16th, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Tom,

    I hope we all thank you for your service. You and your wife don’t worry me in the least. Other than a baseball opinion or two of yours. :)

  473. mick December 16th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    49ers to put a whupping on NE tonight….

  474. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    “I’ll finish this little dissertation by saying that all of the words spoken by thousands upon thousands of mental Health Professionals are no where as effective as one bottle full of scientificlly designed medications.

    Those have saved thousands, if not millions of lives.”

    mtu-

    it’s interesting you say that. i was commenting the other day about the overuse of pharmaceuticals and a friend of mine who works in the mental health field said that they are the only solution sometimes. i paid attention because he’s on the front lines. i have no doubt he knows what he’s talking about.

  475. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    And why did the Yankees trade Montero ?

    See. No controversy at all ? Peacemaker.

    That’s me.

    P.S. When will Joba become a starter again ?

    ;)

  476. comet December 16th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Hey Tom and Shame and MTU. A good evening to you all.

  477. mick December 16th, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    the prez speaks..

  478. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    Austin,
    Not if you don’t piss us off?

  479. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Randy-

    You should pay more attention to him.

    He knows what he is talking about.

    ;)

    Mick-

    “They also serve who stand and wait.”

    So I’m cool with that.

    :)

  480. mick December 16th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    this prez is the real deal, can’t picture the other guy being as eloquent, right choice america…

  481. mick December 16th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    mtu

    i don’t see you being in Nam, correct?

  482. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Mick-

    Correct sir.

    College deferment and then the Army Reserves.

    Never went overseas though.

  483. austinmac December 16th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Tom, after further reflection I realize the ah er- -wisdom of your words.

  484. austinmac December 16th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    College deferment for me too and the war ended while I was attending.

  485. Against All Odds December 16th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Good evening comet

  486. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Geetings Comet.

    Cold up there ?

    We’ve got snow on the Mountains around here.

  487. comet December 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Good evening AAO.

  488. comet December 16th, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Mtu not really cold yet. We still have green grass and no snow. Looks like a green Christmas too. Hope you are keeping warm!

  489. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    Comet-

    tryin’. Ain’t easy. Brrrrrr !

    I’m moving to Canada.

    :)

  490. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    snow in maine today.

    winter is here.

  491. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Got say that the Desert looks really beautiful with a fresh coat of snow on it.

    As do the nearby Mountains.

    Who woulda thunk it ?

    Snow in the Desert.

    :)

  492. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    Snow in the Desert.
    ==========
    how often does that happen?

  493. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    These children lost could be your children, or children of someone you know. Those teachers lost could be your teachers, your relatives, your friends. I guess then any and all silliness would stop cold. I’ve always considered it sad that no matter how serious a situation is or how much people are talking about something so important as what has happened in the past few days, there’s will always be someone who feels the need to either play he fool or lead the discussion in other directions. Do some people truly lack a “caring” factor?

    I will say with randy once again, thank you for showing what quality individuals you truly are, those of you who chose to participate in today’s discussion and gave of yourselves with your feelings and opinions on the problems that confront us, those things that are critical and truly relevant. The Yankee offseason will be here tomorrow and the day after and the day after that. What happened in Connecticut is in our minds and hearts right now and needed to be shared and discussed.

    May God also bless the first responders. I completely forgot about them until I was reminded in the televised service in Newtown that just ended. I cannot imagine the trauma they’ve undergone. My heart breaks for them too.

    Be well, and kiss and hug your children and any children you know and love.

  494. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Mick-

    Actually fairly often around here. Coupla times a season usually.

    We are high desert. And I’m like Clint, a “High Plains Drifter”.

    :)

  495. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    mtu nomadic are you?

  496. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    something is going to come from this horrific event….congress is under the pressure of the American people.

  497. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Mick-

    My hobbies carry me far and wide. It is true.

    ;)

  498. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    “mtu nomadic are you?”

    probably witness protection program.

  499. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    mtu-hang gliding?

  500. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Randy-

    I am not at liberty to say.

    ;)

  501. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    i once asked mtu if he was under the witness protection program a la Sammy the Bull…if i recall correctly he answered in the affirmative.

  502. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Be well, and kiss and hug your children and any children you know and love.
    ============================
    as opposed to those we don’t know? only kidding…

  503. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    OK. Back to baseball.

    What is Cashman’s next move ?

    Another OF’er ? A Catcher ?

    Nothing ?

  504. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    “something is going to come from this horrific event….congress is under the pressure of the American people.”

    mick, I think you’re absolutely right. The President just addressed it again in his remarks, and someone in Congress already has a bill ready to go. Those innocents were six and seven-year-old children who left their houses that morning with thoughts of making gingerbread houses in school that afternoon. I swear every cell in my body is grieving. And I know I’m not alone.

  505. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    what is going on with pierzynski?
    the premise is they don’t like his offense which is code for he wants too much in money or years.

  506. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Probably will re-up with the WS is my guess.

  507. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    i would think we will hear of ibanez in short order.

  508. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    And for those who continue to want to say that violence has been with us forever, kindergarten children going through protective drills is a relatively new phenomenon. So are metal detectors in elementary schools. You don’t turn your back on a problem or refuse to address it just because you believe it’s been around forever. That’s the easiest way to allow it to grow and grow and grow.

  509. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    cervelli opening day catcher?
    randy do you still have your glove?

  510. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Think they’re trading anyone ?

  511. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    would like to get ruiz.

  512. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    I don’t kno what you people ( snow in deserts and stuff ) are talking about. Rush just went into the hall of music with Public Enemy, Randy Newman, Heart ( about time, ladys )and that massive arranger who remains pissed off. There’s going to be some kind of rap thing to YYZ and Anne Wilson is going to sing so Geddy Lee doesn’t have to :)

    I’ve told my daughter all about u guys! :)

  513. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    i think if we get a ruiz type Hal might realize we have a shot at winning it all next year which would take the target off our back in 2014.

  514. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    Randy Newman deserves it as did Laura Nyro.

  515. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    Mills-

    It snowed on some your precious Desert succulents.

    But don’t worry they’ll survive it.

    :)

  516. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    How could the Moody Blues not be in?

  517. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Mick, there’s a funny bit of video with the Police, and Sting is joking that they could be #1 if it wasn’t for effing Randy Newman – hilarious, Sting at his diabolical best!

  518. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Granderson for Ruiz and Domonic Brown, or Joseph ?

    Who replaces Granderson though ?

    Bourn ?

    nah. Ain’t happening.

  519. Mike_Boston December 16th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Trisha, that’s simply not true about kindergarten and prorective drills. During the cold war kids of all ages all around the country did bomb raid drills. I also showed a link earlier in the day with facts stating that these kinds of shootings have in fact not increased over the years. It hasn’t gotten worse at all.
    For the record I agree with banning assault rifles. But let’s avoid the narrative that this is the worst time in our history and our society is going to hell please.

  520. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    still have it mick

    on my dresser. still use it.

    i’m all for cervelli being the yankee catcher simply because he paid his dues and did a decent job when he was with the yankees in some pressure big games.

    he threw out about 30% of runners when he went back to triple a. that was his problem before going down.

    now i don’t like cervelli’s approach to the game. it’s a beat too fast for my preference.

    but you play the hand you have. i’d play his card until they get a better option.

  521. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    The Moody Blues, Yes, King Crimson, Deep Purple should all be in there of course, and Rush would concur. Damn it!,….the Cowboy Junkies should be in there for the, ” Trinity Sessions ” alone.

  522. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Cervelli and Romine ?

  523. Ys Guy December 16th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    mike_boston id like to see that link again because i gotta call bs on that claim.

  524. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    ruiz reminds me of ivan rodriguez, a winner who hits in the clutch, don’t know how is defense is but they all can’t be martins.

  525. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    “During the cold war kids of all ages all around the country did bomb raid drills.”

    Quite different from drills to protect kids from people in their own community. And there weren’t metal detectors during the cold war to make sure that enemy bombs didn’t make it through the front door. Sorry, no comparison. Our society isn’t going to hell, it is in hell.

  526. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    i think romine has to prove he’s healthy at triple a first.

  527. Run it Out December 16th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    In 2010, 10,228 people died in traffic accidents resulting from drunk driving. That was nearly one third the traffic accidents deaths. Ban automobiles!!!

  528. blake December 16th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    The Phillies want to win now….they have to…so I can’t see them trading Ruiz really enough though he’s gonna miss the first month or so of the season.

    I think they’d like to have Granderson….they just don’t have a ton to offer back that interests me.

    Sign AJP….trade Grandy for Olt

  529. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Trish, we have to keep fighting!

  530. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    “mike_boston id like to see that link again because i gotta call bs on that claim.”

    I called it without bothering to look at it. You’d have to be deaf, dumb, and blind to believe that things haven’t gotten worse IMO.

  531. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    mills-did you see the doc on david geffen and his championing of Laura Nyro?
    once interviewed her after she was 3 hours late for a college concert…man was she wasted.

  532. Ys Guy December 16th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    this would seem to refute that:

    “By our count, there have been two (mass shootings of more than 4 people) per year on average since 1982. Yet 25 of the 62 cases we examined have occurred since 2006. This year alone there have already been seven mass shootings—and a record number of casualties, with more than 140 people injured and killed.

    http://www.motherjones.com/pol.....estigation

  533. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    jmills, and we will. We’ll never stop fighting. Laziness and inertia are our biggest enemies right now.

  534. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    the moody blues moreso than Yes deserve it….don’t know the reasoning.

  535. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    From what I know Ruiz is an excellent defensive Catcher.

  536. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    You’d have to be deaf, dumb, and blind…
    ==========================
    Cue Tommy…

  537. Mike_Boston December 16th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Link to article from the Boston globe:

    boston.com/art/35/news/local/connecticut/2012/12/15/rise-mass-killings-but-their-impact-huge/IVUT7d86PeIScADMGpkSXK/story

    Why do people jump to conclusions without knowing the facts is what i would like to know?

  538. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Prayers for the innocent lives lost, prayers for the families, prayers for the first responders, prayers for all who have been hurt by this. Prayers for everyone.

    Night all.

  539. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Anyone think the Economic stress is bleeding thru ?

  540. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    “Ban automobiles!!!”

    You need a license to drive an automobile, but not to buy an assault rifle. In a lot of cases not even a background check

    Are you ok with that?

  541. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    JMills….Canned Heat make it in your opinion?

  542. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Sign AJP….trade Grandy for Olt

    —————

    I think any deal for Olt will be a mid season move if they try it at all.. I’m sticking by the idea that this team will leave some holes open and see if they’re still a playoff team. If they are, they won’t make any moves. If not, a deal like that might be the answer.

  543. blake December 16th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    I’d love to have Ruiz….but the Yankees wouldn’t even consider Melky because of his failed test so Im also assuming they wouldn’t really consider trading for Ruiz because of his…..plus I don’t think Philly would trade him very cheaply

  544. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    Not in this particular instance but in general ?

  545. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Mick, I don’t know who Laura Nyro is but I’ll look her and her fiddle up. This weekend I just discovered ” Birdy – Skinny Love ( one take music video )” and no, I’m not talkin’ ’bout Sir Peter Gabriel.

  546. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    blake – Did you see that Rosenthal piece about the Jays? It’s sort of what you’ve been saying.. about either being all in for 2013 when the division is pretty open or not.

  547. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    even if they were right, how could anybody downplay what happened on Friday?
    just 2 days ago…

  548. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    I know blake.

    Not likely.

    Neither is Olt though.

    :(

  549. Ys Guy December 16th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Run it Out December 16th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    In 2010, 10,228 people died in traffic accidents resulting from drunk driving. That was nearly one third the traffic accidents deaths. Ban automobiles!!!
    ===============================================

    this equation of cars and guns is the most moronic thing. people use cars to get to work, buy food and bring their kids to school. a car is not designed to kill people and almost nobody ever gets in a car with the intetion of hurting other people.

    what is the purpose of an assault weapon?

  550. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Laura was a shy, non- commercial singer songwriter who is more well known for her writing that others performed.
    Stoned Soul Picnic, Eli’s Coming…and many others that would have been big hits if sung by more commercial groups altho she had a beautiful voice.

  551. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwSNbC9zK-w

    some laura for ya

  552. blake December 16th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    December 16, 2012 at 9:51 pm
    blake – Did you see that Rosenthal piece about the Jays? It’s sort of what you’ve been saying.. about either being all in for 2013 when the division is pretty open or not.

    Yea….I think AA clearly sees an opening with the Red Sox down and the Yanks aging and pinching pennies and he’s going for it….can’t blame him I guess

  553. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    Trish, good night to you my friend. Mick, Canned Heat are all right in my books!

  554. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Mick, thanks – will watch it now!

  555. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    The whole AL East is gonna be tough.

    No pushovers there.

    No easy teams to beat up on anymore.

    ;)

  556. mick December 16th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    some should listen to this song tonight:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVYqR0bnoqQ

  557. blake December 16th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    ” what is the purpose of an assault weapon?”

    As I said earlier….I’ve hunted my whole life and do not own a military style assault weapon….most hunters don’t use that type of gun and I see very little reason as to why those type weapons need to be available to the public…..

  558. Run it Out December 16th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Ys Guy..

    The gun used in CT is used to hunt. That was established earlier today in previous conversations.

    Also, in California we have a significant number of automobile drivers who are not licensed and are not insured.

  559. mick December 16th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    What!

    No Blood Sweat and Tears or Chicago in the Hall?!?!

    Travesty!

  560. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    I think some should listen to this song tonight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ikgmE3y9E

  561. mick December 16th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Where are the Bee Gees?

    Are they kidding?

  562. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Blake-

    I saw a guy on a TV show put down a Griz with an AR 15. Popped him right in the head.

    Amazing. Went down like a sack of potatoes.

    Never would have believed it if I didn’t see it with my own eyes.

  563. blake December 16th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Hunters do not typically use M-16s ….I don’t know of anyone who does to be honest. I guess you could but its just not the type gun that people who actually hunt use .

  564. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Mick, this laura Nyro sounds like a combination of Dionne Warwick and Rickie Lee Jones but without the quite lovely craziness of Rickie Lee who of course needed to put put up with Tom Waits who guest appearanced with Robin Williams in the, ” Fisher King “.

  565. mick December 16th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    shame, see this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kRAKXFrYQ4

    i found the bee gees

  566. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Mick, I thought the Bee Gees would have been in already,…what do I know?

  567. blake December 16th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    MTU,

    I mean yea I guess you could hunt with that type weapon….but .270s and 30.06s and 7mm mags ….those type guns in either a bolt action or a semi auto with a 4 or 5 shot clip are what most deer hunters etc would use ……or a shotgun with buck shot etc…..

  568. Tar December 16th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    “The gun used in CT is used to hunt. That was established earlier today in previous conversations.

    Also, in California we have a significant number of automobile drivers who are not licensed and are not insured.”

    You post an insensitive and inflammatory post. Get called on it and that’s your weak ass (thanks shame) response? You’re in a time-out.

  569. mick December 16th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Save the Country

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E21KH_YOk7Y

  570. blake December 16th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Anyway….I pray that the victims families will somehow find some peace in the coming days. It’s one of the saddest and worst things I’ve ever seen in my lifetime……

  571. mick December 16th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    tar…don’t be sucked in.

  572. mick December 16th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    jmills bee gees are in, my bad…

  573. Mike_Boston December 16th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    I don’t want to tell people what to feel or how to feel it but to say that we’re living in hell because of an unspeakable tragedy is taking things a bit overboard IMO.
    What were we thinking during the riots of the 60′s, ww2 and the holocaust, ww1, the civil war etc?

  574. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Blake-

    You’re right. of course.

    The Bear was coming into their homstead and stealing precious food. It was in Alaska and Winter was approaching.

    Was also a threat to life and limb.

    The guy took him down at relatively close range. Under normal circumstanes you would never use such a small caliber weapon on an animal that size.

    It would be suicidal. On your part.

    ;)

  575. blake December 16th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    MTU,

    Yea no doubt….

  576. randy l. December 16th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    here’s the deal.

    we live in a democracy.

    the majority of people don’t want assault weapons.

    after this tragedy, my feeling is they are done.

    this was a tipping point.

    anyone who goes on national tv advocating them just looks out of touch with reality.

  577. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Shame and Mick, I really like your Christmas songs, and given how I feel about the December music scene, this says a lot.

  578. blake December 16th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    I don’t blame the media for covering stories like these…. The country needs to know about it….but at the same time I think the media coverage just feeds the narsastic psychopaths that do this sort of thing…..they want to be famous even if they have to become infamous or die in the process……

    So it’s somewhat of a viscous cycle that’s forming IMO….crazy person shoots a bunch of people…..media firestorm ….another crazy person gets the idea to become famous ….etc…..

  579. MTU December 16th, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    Well.

    Got to get my beauty sleep.

    I’ll put in a few words with the Heavenly Father to let those folks up North find Peace.

    I struggle to understand such things as we all probably do. Each in our own way.

    How can a loving God allow such horrors ?

    I have my own answers but I know for me the truth will only come later. In the Great Beyond.

    It is then I feel I will know and all my questions will be answered.

    See you tomorrow.

  580. blake December 16th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    I’m out too …night all

  581. mick December 16th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    So it’s somewhat of a viscous cycle that’s forming IMO….crazy person shoots a bunch of people…..media firestorm ….another crazy person gets the idea to become famous ….etc…..
    =================
    this is true…if it weren’t for the commercial society we live in, this type of behavior would not be analyzed and indeed this kid will be looked at as a troubled youth who was failed by society and not a madman.

  582. mick December 16th, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    jmills

    recognize this one?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....zSx6AfLDLD

  583. austinmac December 16th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    Good night MTU. Sleep peacefully.

  584. mick December 16th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    one of her best

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij8eBngOI-o

  585. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Mick, thanks, going to listen to it now. Laura Nyro has a strength circa Joan Baez?

  586. mick December 16th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    nice catch mills

    love me some joni mitchell

  587. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Mick, in a funny way, I can hear Kate Bush singing laura Nyro’s stuff. Kate Bush,…now that’s one person who should be in that stupid hall!!!!!

  588. mick December 16th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    ooo baby baby

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a69HvmCJnmQ

  589. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    O.k., ….laura Nyro goes in the hall, contingent upon Natalie Merchant and Sinead.

  590. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    trisha,

    If you’re still up and about. Eben Alexander speaks about “the gift of desperation.” Something to explore, if you need some help with all this. Be well.

  591. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    jmills,

    right back at you, crystal clear, good man. :D. Cayne’s a lucky kid.

    Good night, all.

  592. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Hey Alfred! What nice thoughts for a most deserving friend. Trish will receive in one format or another.

  593. yankeefeminista December 16th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    jmills, I have been listening to Sinead all night, reflective of my mood. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n14lwdpYkAA

  594. mick December 16th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    mills…laura is already in…last year

  595. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    :D

  596. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    YF, Sinead is tremendous.

    Good night, one and all.

  597. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Mick, …shows how far I’m behind :)

    Yf,…you can never go ill avec Sinead.

  598. mick December 16th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    why isn’t willie nelson in ?
    hank williams is, beastie boys is, public enemy just got in

  599. mick December 16th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    http://rockhall.com/inductees/.....ideo/5333/

    what do you think of this?

  600. Bronx Jeers December 16th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    Randy,

    Re Longoria and assault rifles from earlier.

    A couple of Springs ago Longorias home was burglarized and one of the items stolen was his AK-47.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....mlb,wp1608

  601. ron December 16th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    Arizona Fall League (final stats)
    IF David Adams: 22 G, 24-84, 13 R, 7 2B, 2 3B, 3 HR, 15 RBI, 14 BB, 13 K, 2 CS (.286/.388/.524)
    OF Slade Heathcott: 18 G, 26-67, 1 3R, 6 2B, 3 3B, 1 HR, 15 RBI, 12 BB, 14 K, 5 SB, 3 CS, 2 HBP (.388/.494/.612) — second in the league in OPS
    C Austin Romine: 18 G, 14-63, 9 R, 4 2B, 6 RBI, 12 BB, 13 K, 1 CS (.222/.342/.286) — lost year
    RHP Dellin Betances: 8 G, 12 IP, 13 H, 7 R, 7 ER, 4 BB, 15 K, 1 HB, 2 WP (5.25 ERA, 1.42 WHIP)
    RHP Dan Burawa: 11 G, 11.2 IP, 19 H, 16 R, 15 ER, 13 BB, 6 K, 2 WP, 1 HR (11.57 ERA, 2.74 WHIP) — another lost year
    RHP Mark Montgomery: 9 H, 10.1 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 5 BB, 19 K, 1 HB (2.61 ERA, 0.97 WHIP) — finishes the year with a 118/27 K/BB in 74.2 IP (14.2 K/9 and 3.3 BB/9)
    RHP Zach Nuding: 7 G, 7 GS, 21.2 IP, 21.2 IP, 31 H, 19 R, 14 ER, 10 BB, 12 K, 3 HR, 1 WP (5.82 ERA, 1.89 WHIP)
    LHP Josh Spence: 7 G, 7 IP, 10 H, 7 R, 7 ER, 5 BB, 5 K (9.00 ERA, 2.14 WHIP) — didn’t even realize he was playing in the AzFL after being claimed off waivers

  602. ron December 16th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    Australian Baseball League
    RHP Zach Arneson: 4 G, 4 IP, 2 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K (0.00 ERA, 0.50 WHIP)

    Dominican Winter League
    OF Abe Almonte: 11 G, 5-22, 3 R, 1 3B, 2 RBI, 1 BB, 5 K, 2 SB, 1 CS (.227/.261/.318)
    OF Zoilo Almonte: 1 G, 0-1, 1 R, 1 K
    OF Melky Mesa: 6 G, 6-23, 5 R, 1 2B, 2 HR, 4 RBI, 3 BB, 9 K, 1 SB (.261/.346/.565)
    C Gary Sanchez: 7 G, 5-21, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 2 BB, 6 K (.238/.304/.429)
    LHP Juan Cedeno: 15 G, 20.1 IP, 14 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 6 BB, 14 K, 2 HB, 2 WP (1.77 ERA, 0.98 WHIP) — he’s going to finish the year up around 90-100 innings
    RHP Kelvin Perez: 13 G, 10.2 IP, 9 H, 6 R, 5 ER, 7 BB, 5 K, 1 HR (4.22 ERA, 1.50 WHIP)
    RHP Jose Ramirez: 5 G, 9.1 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 8 BB, 8 K, 1 HR, 2 HB (3.86 ERA, 1.39 WHIP) — two of those walks were intentional
    LHP Francisco Rondon: 7 G, 4.1 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 9 K, 1 WP, 1 HR, 1 HB (2.08 ERA, 1.85 WHIP)

    Mexican Pacific League
    OF Jose Figueroa: 21 G, 7-27, 5 R, 1 2B, 2 RBI, 4 BB, 8 K, 2 CS (.259/.355/.296)
    UTIL Ronnie Mustelier: 36 G, 38-139, 20 R, 4 2B, 5 HR, 19 RBI, 10 BB, 29 K, 9 SB, 1 CS, 2 HBP (.273/.327/.410) — have to think he’ll get a long look in camp
    RHP Gio Gallegos: 5 G, 4.1 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 5 K, 1 HR (4.15 ERA, 1.15 WHIP) — curious to see what the plan is for him next year
    RHP Felipe Gonzalez: 2 G, 3.1 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 4 BB, 2 K, 2 HR, 1 HB (8.10 ERA, 2.10 WHIP)
    RHP Luis Niebla: 12 G, 21.2 IP, 19 H, 7 R, 5 ER, 6 BB, 17 K, 5 HR, 1 HB (2.08 ERA, 1.15 WHIP)
    RHP Cesar Vargas: 9 G, 9 IP, 8 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 5 BB, 14 K, 1 WP, 1 HB (1.00 ERA, 1.44 WHIP)

    Puerto Rican League
    OF Adonis Garcia: 9 G, 8-37, 4 R, 1 2B, 3 HR, 9 RBI, 1 BB7 K, 2 HBP (.216/.275/.486)
    IF Angelo Gumbs: 1 G, 1-1 – only one at-bat, but it’s good to see him healthy enough to play after missing the second half with an elbow injury
    1B Luke Murton: 8 G, 6-27, 2 R, 2 2B, 2 RBI, 5 BB, 9 K (.222/.344/.296)
    RHP Manny Barreda: 3 G, 3 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 1 WP (6.00 ERA, 2.00 WHIP)
    RHP Preston Claiborne: 5 G, 6 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 5 K (0.00 ERA, 0.33 WHIP)

    Venezuelan Winter League
    C Francisco Arcia: 3 G, 0-1, 1 R, 2 BB
    IF Ali Castillo: 1 G, 1-1, 1 R
    C Frankie Cervelli: 8 G, 8-23, 8 R, 2 2B, 1 HR, 7 RBI, 5 BB, 10 K (.348/.464/.565) — like Ramiro Pena, he’s a winter ball monster
    OF Ramon Flores: 8 G, 3-13, 2 R, 1 BB, 2 K, 1 HBP (.231/.333/.231) – he’s going to be up around 160 games played this year
    UTIL Jose Pirela: 34 G, 35-130, 20 R, 5 2B, 2 3B, 1 HR, 14 RBI, 15 BB, 22 K, 4 SB, 1 CS, 5 HBP (.269/.364/.362)
    RHP Pedro Guerra: 6 G, 6 IP, 9 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 6 BB, 3 K, 2 HR (7.50 ERA, 2.50 WHIP)
    LHP Vidal Nuno: 10 G, 18 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 17 K (1.00 ERA, 0.50 WHIP)

  603. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Mick, sorry, I’m having a hard time getting Traumbert’s Blues to play on this god for saken hand held blackberry.

    Given AbbA, Hank Williams should definitely be in as should April effing Wine for that matter.

  604. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    I can’t believe Willie Nelson isn’t in.

  605. ron December 16th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    All the way back in 2005 Adams was ranked the No. 67 overall prospect in the draft coming out of high school in Boca Raton, but he fell all the way to the 21st round (630th overall) because of a strong commitment to the University of Virginia. He did not sign with the Detroit Tigers and went on to college where he was supposed to play 3rd base, but wound up playing every game at 2nd base as a freshman and hit .318/.403/.448. He improved his sophomore year hitting .372/.454/.522 and really caught scouts’ attention in the Cape Cod League that summer where he hit extremely well with a wood bat posting a .302 average while leading the league in doubles. Adams had garnered 1st round buzz after that, but faltered in his junior year hitting .286/.384/.411 and wound up being drafted by the New York Yankees in the 3rd round of the 2008 draft and signed for a bonus of $333,000.

  606. ron December 16th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    After signing Adams was sent to the New York-Penn League where he played 67 games and had okay results hitting .257/.350/.393 while showing decent speed and plate discipline. He had a far better year in 2009 split between LoA and HiA in his first full season, hitting a combined .286/.373/.443 with 7 homers and 75 RBIs. All 7 home runs came during the second half of the year during his time in HiA. His SB% decreased, but he once again demonstrated good plate discipline. He carried that late season magic over to Double-A in 2010 and went off with .309/.393/.507 line over his first 39 games. When he went down with a sprained right ankle in May of 2010 the injury was supposed to be “not severe” and keep him out “just two weeks—maybe more”. Adams remained sideline for two months before they realized he actually had a broken foot/ankle. The injury was so severe he wound up only playing in 29 games in 2011 split between Rookie Ball and the FSL. He did hit in that limited action going .370/.421/.509 with 12 doubles and 15 RBIs.

    Summary: The dude can hit, the ankle injury has just been a killer in his development.

  607. ron December 16th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Gifted with a great eye at the plate, Adams was voted the best plate discipline in the Yankee system by Baseball America last year. He has limited bat movement and pre-swing hand load to go along with a short compact swing that allows him to turn on the inside pitch. He will never hit a lot of home runs, but should produce a good amount of doubles. Would not classify him as great defensively, but he makes plays and his 4.72 range factor and .983% fielding percentage would make him a league average 2nd baseman. Also not a burner, but he is smart enough to steal 5-8 bases annually.

  608. comet December 16th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Run it Out December 16th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
    In 2010, 10,228 people died in traffic accidents resulting from drunk driving. That was nearly one third the traffic accidents deaths. Ban automobiles!!!

    Try limiting alochol consumption and imposing very stiff openalties for drunk driving.

  609. jmills December 16th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    Hi Comet, couldn’t concur more. Its straight or no way on HWY 403.

  610. Ys Guy December 16th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    “again, this cars/guns analogy is moronic. a car is neither designed nor used intentionally to kill people. an assault weapon is designed to kill humans.

  611. jmills December 17th, 2012 at 12:09 am

    YS, I think Comet is pissed off with drunk drivers.

  612. Ys Guy December 17th, 2012 at 12:20 am

    jmills i was actually responding to ‘run it out’s ‘ 10:00 response.
    but anyway…what do you think of the dickey trade and what does it say about d’arnauld?

  613. yankeefeminista December 17th, 2012 at 12:38 am

    It says more about Anthopoulos’ win now attitude. D’Arnaud is a heckuva catcher. Giving up both D’Arnaud and Syndergaard is giving up a lot.

  614. ron December 17th, 2012 at 12:42 am

    Some think d’arnauld’s past knee injury could be a problem.

    Gary Sanchez– New York Yankees (A-A+)

    PA: 377

    AVG/OBP/SLG: .283/.342/.487

    HR/R/RBI: 15/56/64

    SO/BB: 87/28

    Sanchez is the Yankees best catching prospect and he has gotten promoted to advanced A ball. If they want to fast track him, he can possibly get to the big leagues by the end of the 2013 season. Yet, it is more likely that he makes it some time in 2014. That means the Yankees will have to find some way to navigate through the 2013 season. Russell Martin hasn’t been the solution this year, so we will have to see what they do next season.

  615. yankeefeminista December 17th, 2012 at 12:52 am

    d’Arnaud supposedly was recovered enough to play winter ball. Hopefully, that’s not true. He was pretty impressive when I saw him in Trenton before the injury.

  616. yankeefeminista December 17th, 2012 at 12:59 am

    However, he decided not to play winter ball.

    What is the source for that? No way Yanks fast track Sanchez for 2013.

  617. Jerkface December 17th, 2012 at 1:25 am

    Sanchez is going to be back in A+ to start 2013. It will take a very meteoric rise for him to make the majors in 2014.

  618. Pat M. December 17th, 2012 at 2:14 am

    Still No Moody Blues for The Bogus Hall of Shame !!!!! February 23rd is the fisrt exhibition game, really ????/ 40 years ago we had to arrive before March 1st with games starting around the 6TH of March…..However almost everyday there was a spit squads and the road games were cool because that meant you were away from The Boss and Mike Burke….

  619. Pat M. December 17th, 2012 at 3:22 am

    Good Morning to Doreen and the Breakfast Club……Merry Christmas to all

  620. Duh Innings II December 17th, 2012 at 4:29 am

    The end is near for the Rays, Red Sox, and Blue Jays as postseason contenders as the Rays will trade David Price after 2013 or during 2014, the Red Sox will let go of John Lester if he doesn’t opt to sign elsewhere after 2013, and the Blue Jays will trade Josh Johnson by the 2013 trading deadline as he’ll be a free agent they can’t afford to keep after 2013. I seriously doubt Toronto will extend R.A. Dickey for the two years and $14M a year he wants and they’re fools to give a guy so old that money as he had a 2012 which will be shown to be a fluke. If he blows in 2013 he’s an overpriced Tim Wakefield.

    I’m not sold on the Orioles because they had their first above .500 season in fifteen seasons, so history shows they won’t have another above .500 season any time soon, they had too many one-run wins to make me think they’ll win 82 or more games, and 4/5ths of their rotation (Hammel, Gonzalez, Tillman, and Arrieta) made no more than 20 starts each in 2012 and will be exposed for their weaknesses in 27-32 starts. They lost Reynolds and will need everyone to equal or better their 2012s to have a fighting chance.

    The Yanks are still the best team in the division. The Rays lost their #2 starter Shields, again the Orioles will not be as successful in one-run games as they were in 2012, the Red Sox did little to improve their rotation (Dempster signing) and NOTHING to improve their bullpen, and the Blue Jays are taking a huge gamble on Dickey, Johnson, and Buerhle considering Johnson will be elsewhere after 2013, Dickey could be, and the team may wish Buerhle was, besides that Romero could still suck and Morrow will probably not be as good as he was in 2012.

  621. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 6:39 am

    Pat M.-

    Happy Holidays to you as well.

  622. blake December 17th, 2012 at 6:59 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: stephen drew & red sox in agreement. deal gives jose iglesias & xander bogaerts time to develop. http://t.co/0podlcm9

  623. blake December 17th, 2012 at 6:59 am

    Morning MTU

  624. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 7:01 am

    How’s it going Blake

  625. tomingeorgia December 17th, 2012 at 7:03 am

    Morning, fellers.

  626. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 7:03 am

    Greetings Mr. Tom

  627. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 7:05 am

    It’s time for Cashman to deliver our Xmas present.

    ;)

  628. blake December 17th, 2012 at 7:05 am

    MTU says:
    December 17, 2012 at 7:01 am
    How’s it going Blake

    It’s a going ;)

  629. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 7:06 am

    No. Not Hairston and Ibanez.

    Something more substantial.

    :)

  630. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 7:09 am

    What do think the odds are that all 5 of the following make it to the bigs w. the Yankees ?

    Mason, Slade, Ravel, Jesus, Tyler.

    I’d say virtually zero.

    ;)

  631. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 7:10 am

    I was talking about Flores and Santana by the way.

    Think I goofed on Flores. His first name is Ramon I think ?

    sorry amigos. It’s early.

  632. blake December 17th, 2012 at 7:12 am

    Get mike Olt

  633. blake December 17th, 2012 at 7:15 am

    It’s tough to see how the Jays aren’t good next year…..to me this isn’t like the Angels or Miami as those teams still had holes….if they stay healthy then Toronto doesn’t have a lot of holes

    Johnson and Romero are their keys……if Johnson stays healthy and Romero bounces back then that team will be tough

  634. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 7:15 am

    Blake-

    Your persistence is admirable.

    I just do not think we trade with the Rangers.

    Perhaps I’m wrong.

    How bout JU ? He’s still in play.

    :)

  635. blake December 17th, 2012 at 7:17 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: Drew gets $9.5M salary. #redsox

  636. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 7:17 am

    Blake-

    There will not be a single pushover in the AL East next season.

    The Jays are way stronger.

    As you say sort of depends on certain guys staying healthy how strong.

    How bout you get Lawrie for me ?

    ;)

  637. blake December 17th, 2012 at 7:18 am

    MTU,
    The force isn’t very strong with me in willing moves to happen…..so you keep pushing J Ups and we will hope

  638. PacoDooley December 17th, 2012 at 7:18 am

    An opinion from outside Yankees land, ESPN has the Yankees as the third best team in baseball:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweets.....s-reds-1-2

  639. blake December 17th, 2012 at 7:19 am

    Facing a johnson , Dickey , and Morrow in a 3 game series would be no fun……

  640. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 7:22 am

    Blake-

    I still think he is on the outs in AZ.

    He’s a marked Man. Only questions are the when and for whom.

    When Mgmnt calls you out in public that is not a good sign.

    IMO the owner is a loose canon.

    It’s time Cashman called in his “marker”.

    There might a combination of things Towers would want from us.

    He knows our system very well from having worked here.

    It is not very often that a young, 5-tool guy like JU becomes available.

    IMO if there is any chance at all we should be all over it.

    Like a fatboy on pie.

    Odds low but ya’ never know.

    ;)

  641. blake December 17th, 2012 at 7:22 am

    I know when teams have done these big offseasons lately it hasn’t worked out well…..Red Sox , Marlins, Angels etc..:..but I think the Jays have put together a more complete club than those teams did….

    Their lineup is deep….their rotation is deep….the pen is maybe a little chink in the armor but that’s a legit club now…..

  642. blake December 17th, 2012 at 7:24 am

    MTU,

    Yea I think Upton still may get moved ….he’s not happy there….the issue is that Towers isn’t going to sell low and I don’t know if the Yanks can match up or if they have even tried…..

  643. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 7:26 am

    Absolutely a legit Blake.

    For sure.

    Like to see the Yankees do a little more horse trading myself.

  644. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 7:31 am

    Don’t know either Blake.

    But I know they definitely should be making the max. effort.

    I hope they have done that.

    Upton is exactly the kind of player you go for thru trade.

    Young, athletic, 5-tools, proven, and extremely high-upside.

    He’s already better than any of our young OF prospects are ever likely to be.

    And IMO his best days are still ahead of him.

    Hasn’t even reached his cieling yet IMO.

    Even his floor is plenty good.

    ;)

  645. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 7:32 am

    I’d love to own that Car.

    ;)

  646. blake December 17th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    MTU,

    Agree….what are you willing to give up though?

    I’m just guessing here but I would think to get in the ball park for Upton you’d have to give 1 of Grandy/Gardner, 1 of Nova/Hughes/Phelps, 1 of Mason/ Heathcott/ Austin…..and maybe even another player like Nunez…..

  647. blake December 17th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    FWIW Id probably pay that price…..but I don’t know if that would be enough or not

  648. PacoDooley December 17th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    blake December 17th, 2012 at 7:22 am
    I know when teams have done these big offseasons lately it hasn’t worked out well…..Red Sox , Marlins, Angels etc..:..but I think the Jays have put together a more complete club than those teams did….

    Their lineup is deep….their rotation is deep….the pen is maybe a little chink in the armor but that’s a legit club now…..
    —————————-

    But they are also taking a high risk strategy. A lot of the players they acquired are reasonably likely to be rather bad or injured this year. Buehrle hasn’t been very good and Johnson is a year removed from an injury that allowed for only 9 starts. Most of their starters from last season were awful (Alvarez, Romero and Villaneuva). Getting healthy will help, as will Dickey, but I don’t see them as a runaway favorite.

    Then again, the NYY are build on an even less stable house of cards…

  649. blake December 17th, 2012 at 7:39 am

    It would have been much easier to sign Hamilton and either keep all those players or be able to trade them for other things ….

  650. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    Blake-

    Perhaps.

    But even if that were the going price I’m in.

    Would definitely move Granderson, any of those starters, any of those young OF guys (I’d push heathcott though), and nunez.

    I’d basically open up 95-99 % of the checkbook to try get Upton.

    I think he’s worth it.

    maybe Towers covets something in our sytem ?

    Who knows.

  651. blake December 17th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    “But they are also taking a high risk strategy”

    Yea…. They have injury risk particularly ….and they have traded a lot of prospects…..but they are going for it apparently while the Sox and Yankees are weaker…..

  652. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    Blake-

    For the overall contract and future potential I would rather have Upton than Hamilton.

    I would not worry about trading away some of our prospects, even good ones, to get a proven young stud like JU.

    That is exactly the type of thing I think is worth doing with our prospects.

    Quality for quality. Youth for youth. Proven for unproven.

    Works for me.

    ;)

  653. blake December 17th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    “For the overall contract and future potential I would rather have Upton than Hamilton.”

    For 5 years I would have rather had Hamilton + the prospects than Upton …..

    Upton will take a ginormous contract to keep sooner or later even if you traded for him….

  654. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    It’s plenty risky betting the “farm” on the Farm too.

    Most prospects are destined to fail.

    Very few become successful ML players.

    Even fewer still good and productive ones.

    Stars ? A miniscule number.

    Keep the odds in mind.

    ;)

  655. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Not me Blake.

    Something I like a whole lot better with the # 24 as opposed to 30-something.

    And a whole lot less risk there IMO.

    Nope. You can have Josh. I’ll take Justin.

    :)

  656. blake December 17th, 2012 at 7:58 am

    MTU,

    True but there is some risk with Upton as well…. You’re stil buyin potential with him also even though he’s already produced in the big leagues….

    If you deal a big package for Upton then you’ll have him for 3 years and you may have to give him 200 million to keep him after that…..

    I just think Hamilton for 5 was a good value….would have allowed them to keep their prospects….. Him for it in 2013….and also hedge against Cano leaving…..

    But alas…..on to Scott Hairston

  657. blake December 17th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    But if they can get Upton then buy all means please do

  658. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Blake-

    I understand your argument.

    Just don’t agree with it.

    Agree to disagree on this one.

    But yeah I think we are both pissing in the wind on this one.

    The Yankees appear to want to buy time for their youngins to develop.

    I see their point but I just hope they are not letting the pendulum swing too far in the other direction.

    From undervaluing prospects to overvaluing them.

    I have always thought, and still do, that a balanced approach to things is the way to go.

    We shall see.

    :)

  659. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Hal has tied Cashman’s hands. He wears 189 blinders.

    Neutured Cashman in public.

    Gave him his marching orders.

    Houdini could not extricate himself from the financail starightjacket that young Stein has imposed on Cashman.

    Perhaps the organization no longer trusts his opinion ?

    I always thought Hal and Cashman were tight.

    With the way things are going I kinda doubt that now.

    ;)

  660. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Still think the Yankees are being readied for sale down the road.

    2015 looks like a good time, or maybe 2016.

    Assuming , of course, that the Mayans were wrong.

    ;)

  661. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Guys I was hoping we might get this OS :

    Keppinger
    Soria
    Gordon/Upton, or Headley
    Haren
    AJ P

    What did I get ?

    Bupkus.

    :(

  662. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Time for a new post Chad.

    ;)

  663. blake December 17th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    “What did I get ?”

    You got Youkallis….don’t say Hal never gave you nothing ;)

  664. blake December 17th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    “Assuming , of course, that the Mayans were wrong.”

    Maybe Hal and Cash believe we only have a few more days anyway….

  665. blake December 17th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    BTW the Mayans never actually predicted the end of the world and I believe the actual Mayan calander ended on Dec 12

  666. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Blake-

    I know. Eat my gruel and be happy.

    Glad that EOW prediction is done.

    There will be others before long.

    ;)

  667. PacoDooley December 17th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    MTU December 17th, 2012 at 7:54 am
    It’s plenty risky betting the “farm” on the Farm too.

    Most prospects are destined to fail.

    Very few become successful ML players.

    Even fewer still good and productive ones.

    Stars ? A miniscule number.

    Keep the odds in mind.
    ———————————-

    Glad you said this – people often overlook the very low likelihood that their own prospects will ever turn into anything special. Gary Sanchez looks like a great player, but he is unlikely to ever be an above average ML player. So if you can trade him for an established young talent, you are playing the odds in your favor to do so.

    This is why I liked the Montero-Pineda deal. Top calibre ML pitchers are hard to find and very expensive, so trading an unproven talent for a slightly less unproven pitcher looked like a good bet. Injuries happen and do not negate the logic of a deal…

  668. Doreen December 17th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    If Hal was unhappy with Cashman or no longer trusted him, he would fire him, no?

    Morning all.

    I thought it was Dec. 12, too, Blake.

    I think no Xmas surprise in 2012. Remember Merry Tex-Mas? Oh, that was a great off-season.

  669. Yankee Trader December 17th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Good morning-

    Paco-

    Thanks for the link of the top 10 teams so far for 2013. Little surprised that they listed weaknesses as age and health for the Dodgers, but not for the Yankees. Also listed homers as a strength for the Yankees. With Chavez, Ibanez, Jones, Martin, Swisher gone plus ARod, they’ve lost over 100 homers.

    Ranking them #3 in majors was a little biased, don’t you think?

  670. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Doreen-

    He may have done the next best thing.

    He rendered him useless. Turned him into a quepon. Or a Gelding.

    In public mind you.

    I think the door might just be the next step.

    W’ll find out soon enough. When his contract comes up for renewal.

  671. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    My pleasure Paco.

    It is what I believe is best and necessary.

    A balanced approach.

    Don’t try to keep ‘em all. Don’t try to trade ‘em all.

    It’s why the Yankees just have to be good at self-scouting.

    It’s the only way to maximize their MiLB assets.

  672. Yankee Trader December 17th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    I believe Cashman has another year after this season.

  673. Doreen December 17th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    MTU -

    I always believed this was Cashman’s last go ’round anyway (by his own choice).

  674. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Doreen-

    Perhaps that was his plan and so it works out.

    But I do not think he’ll have a choice this time around. Even if he wants to re-up.

  675. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    And just to mind my manners.

    Good morning Doreen and YT.

    :)

  676. Yankee Trader December 17th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Any rumors indicating where these FA’s might go?

    Swisher
    Bourn
    Lohse
    Ross
    Pierzynski
    LaRoche

  677. blake December 17th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    “I thought it was Dec. 12, too, Blake.”

    Some say 12th some says 21st but j think the actual Mayan calendar that all this stuff came from ended on the 12th….and then a new calendar started.

  678. Yankee Trader December 17th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    MTU-

    I was beginning to think I was invisible.

    BTW, thanks for the latest round of magnificent photos.

  679. blake December 17th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    It’s true that a vast majority of prospects don’t pan out but the issue is that if the Yankees are serious about this budget then they are gonna have to rely in them and hope they do……

    They need cost controlled home grown players to offset the Arods and Tex’s on the books and you can’t get those if you trade them all…..

  680. Ys Guy December 17th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    hi guys, gals!

    being ‘tight’ is one thing, but when you’ve committed to a financial plan that’s going to save you $150M or more over 4 years, you can stay tight but tell your ‘bud’ that he’s not going outside the budget by a dollar.

  681. PacoDooley December 17th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Yankee Trader December 17th, 2012 at 8:41 am
    Good morning-

    Paco-

    Thanks for the link of the top 10 teams so far for 2013. Little surprised that they listed weaknesses as age and health for the Dodgers, but not for the Yankees. Also listed homers as a strength for the Yankees. With Chavez, Ibanez, Jones, Martin, Swisher gone plus ARod, they’ve lost over 100 homers.

    Ranking them #3 in majors was a little biased, don’t you think?
    ——————————–

    Seems far too high to me. And Toronto didn’t even make the top ten, which is a bit surprising.

    I actually think that the Yankees might be much better than people are expecting. They have perhaps the biggest risk-reward lineup in the game. If everyone is healthy and performs reasonably well, they could again win 95 games (a full season of Gardner, a healthy and productive Youk, A-Rod coming back and being the quality player he was in ’12 before he fell to pieces, midseason return of Pineda), but they could also fall to pieces and win 80 games if Jeter declines, they have complete holes at 3B, RF, DH and C and their rotation ages (Pettitte and Kuroda in particular). So they are really hard to peg this year. Personally, I am betting on 90 wins and a wild-card stop.

  682. blake December 17th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Yankee Trader says:
    December 17, 2012 at 8:53 am
    Any rumors indicating where these FA’s might go?

    Swisher
    Bourn
    Lohse
    Ross
    Pierzynski
    LaRoche”

    My guesses

    Swish: Cleveland
    Bourn : Philly
    Lohse: Angels
    AJP: Yankees
    Ross: Texas
    Laroche: Nats

  683. Yankee Trader December 17th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    New Post—————>

  684. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    No Blake.

    That’s the point I believe.

    The calendar, and consequently the World, just ends on that day.

    It does not begin anew.

    It is when the great Galactic alignment is set to occur.

    Apparently the Mayans believed that even to have great import.

    All those planets lined lined up with the center of our Galaxy would exert a special, and destructive kind of pull on the Earth.

    Guess we’ll see.

    They were better astronomers than astrophysicists I think.

    And I sure want to live to see the next generation of Yankee “stars”.

    :)

  685. blake December 17th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    I don’t think the Yankees are the 3rd best team in baseball on paper right now at all…..they have a glaring hole at catcher….a severe LH dominant lineup (especially in the OF)…..and injury and age risk everywhere.

    They could play like it when the season starts though…..

  686. MTU December 17th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    YT-

    You’re welcome. Glad you enjoy them so much. My pleasure.

    Think I’m ready for the Majors yet ?

    ;)

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